Adventure Travel After 50: Why Your Biggest Adventure Is Still Ahead

What if retirement isn't about slowing down—but finally speeding up toward the experiences you've always wanted?

In this episode of Retire & Aspire, Scott sits down with award-winning travel writer and adventurer Mary Charleson of Carry On Queen to explore why adventure travel is becoming one of the fastest-growing lifestyle trends for adults over 50.

Together they discuss how travel builds confidence, expands your perspective, creates meaningful friendships, and can help you rediscover who you are beyond your career. Whether you're considering your first solo trip, a guided adventure, or simply looking for inspiration for your next chapter, this conversation offers practical advice and plenty of encouragement.

• Why travel changes after age 50

• The rise of solo travel and women's travel groups

• Group travel vs. independent travel

• How adventure travel builds confidence and resilience

• Travel trends shaping 2026 and beyond

• Slow travel, wellness travel, and multi-generational travel

• Safety concerns and how to travel smarter

• How to step outside your comfort zone without feeling overwhelmed

• Beginner-friendly adventure travel ideas

• Mary's favorite travel experiences from around the world

Mary Charleson is an award-winning travel writer, marketing strategist, and founder of Carry On Queen. Her work has appeared in the Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, Vancouver Sun, Zoomer, and Travel Awaits. Through her writing and travel experiences, she inspires others to embrace curiosity, confidence, and lifelong adventure.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

You're listening to another episode of Retire and Aspire. My name's Scott, and I've got Mary with me today. And I'm going to introduce Mary in a little bit, but Mary, travel, adventure travel. Why do so many of us crave travel once we get on the plus side of 50?

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Well, I think there's a number of things behind it, Scott. Obviously, all of us would like to rekindle our youth. And don't we all have memories of backpacking around some foreign land with next to nothing in our back pocket? I think there's a bit of that, but there's also a bit of just that realization you've hit the sweet spot in life where when you're 20s, you had lots of time, no money. In your 30s, 40s, had increasingly more money, but hardly any time. And in your kind of 50s beyond 60s, 70s, you've got the time, but hopefully you've got the money. Most people do have some there. And you've also got that curiosity to discover the world. You've got a whole lifetime of experiences behind you to reframe, reinterpret things, open your mind, and just become just a more curious citizen. Also, once we travel, we meet other people who travel and we want to travel more because we learn about places to go. We might even meet other people that we would travel with. And so a little bit tends to fuel a whole lot more.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

So travel could be the entryway for a whole bunch of other work optional life enhancements, couldn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Social, cultural, that type of thing. Okay. Now, the person you're listening to is Mary Charleston. She's an award-winning travel writer, marketing strategist who proves that sustainable creativity beats hustle culture. And amen to that. We're all about that. But her work has appeared in the Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, Vancouver Sun, Zoomer, and Travel Awaits. She's got a delicious website. And I don't use that explicative very often, but Carry On Queen. It took me a while to carry on. Is that carry-on keep going? But it's just carry on luggage, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

You know, you can interpret however you wish, but friends and relatives used to always call me the carry-on queen because I never checked a bag. Sort of never have, never will. But honestly, carry on, have a good time. Yeah, let's go with that too.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Okay, we can do that. Her website, Carry On Queen, has been awarded second place for best self-published travel website by the Travel Media Association of Canada. I love reading this stuff because Mary, you're living the life that I want to live. Mary sees travel writing as a gateway to work optional living because she wants to, not because she has to. And that's sort of a good thing to keep in mind for all of us. In pursuit of her story, though, she has surfed. Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Australia. Have you ever surfed with a shark yet? Have you seen a shark?

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Uh, not the one that I was aware of. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

She's rode a Harley motorcycle along the California coast, trekked and camped in Machu Picchu, and cycled the mountain villages of the coast of Corsica. Not once, but twice. This time celebrating her 33rd wedding anniversary. Wow. She believes the best travel stories come from people who've actually lived enough to have something to say. And I love that edge. I really do love that edge. That's fantastic. You know, we take a look at 2026 and beyond. What travel trends are you seeing for that market that's 50 to 70 years of age? Anything evolving or staying the same?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

There's a number of trends that are out there. And I think ones that are particularly acute for kind of your retirement spire audience. There's this whole thing around solo travel and women travel in particular. Carolyn Ray has done quite a bit of research on this, Canada, US-based. And it's not necessarily women who are single. It's women who might be wanting to travel in groups. They might be married, but they just don't have a spouse that wants to travel. And so she's done some travel. And I'm just going to pause and grab some stats here, but women 50 plus travelers are spending between 5,000 to 7,500 US dollars per year. 23% are spending between $7,500 and $10,000 a year. Pretty substantial. And that market for that over 50 US $245 billion in 2025 is projected to double to $519 billion by 2035. So huge kind of thing in terms of women travel and in particular kind of that women solo-ish kind of group travel.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

I just read a story of a woman who was 77 years old traveling alone. Okay. Camping.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Oh, that's Wendy. Wendy outdoors. Yeah, I was going to mention her later. Yeah, she's got a YouTube channel. She's got like over 500K followers on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

And she's happily longly married, but her husband doesn't want to camp. And so she's like, I'm going without you, right? And she's got like this, it used to be a micro following. Now I'd call it kind of a mega following. Anyway, Wendy Outdoors is the lady on YouTube. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

And I remember reading the little line there. She says, when she chooses a place to camp at night on an island, she goes on an island because she figures bears would prefer not to swim if they didn't have to, and it would serve as an early warning system for.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah. But great example of the attitude. And I think there's that empowerment that kind of comes. I mean, there's science on it, and that empowerment kind of is when we get a little older, get a little bit more kind of don't give a darn kind of thing. I'm going to do it my way anyway, type of attitude. And it comes and it reads some confidence and travel.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

You just brought up another piece of women doing these things. I find a lot more stories of women soloing in the 60s and 70 years than guys. What's happening to us guys? I mean, maybe this is beyond your own, but if you had to take a guess at it, what's happening to us?

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Honestly, I think, I mean, women are good at nurturing friendships with other women. And so there's that, maybe there's also that comfort of getting advice from other women that here's where you can travel, or here you can travel in this group. And then I just think there's this, I mean, I don't know, there's some science and chemistry around it, is like the women become more empowered and the men become a little more mellow. And it's not to say that the guys shouldn't be out there doing their stuff. It's just, I think the women have had a lifetime of network and connections that lead them easily into this, whereas the guys may have to work at it a bit. I don't know if that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

Yeah, and yeah, and I would think the same too, that when I think of folks who I see doing a lot of traveling, certainly a large female component, whether solo or with group, and the guys are hunters, it's the cars and the garages that really sort of naturally attract them. But the piece about adventure travel and travel in general, if you were to sort of encapsulate in a few words, I know I'm throwing a wild one at you here, but we can edit it out. If it doesn't work, it's all good. Okay. Is what are the benefits specifically for getting out and doing that kind of adventure travel?

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Well, obviously getting outdoors, getting away from screens, whether you're doing it yourself or in the company of others, you're learning new things or meeting new people, you're interacting with locals. It's the challenge of doing something maybe you haven't done before that's empowering, learning to surf, even biking, but doing like an e-bike trip. Or there's hard adventure and then there's soft adventure, and then there's just an adventure outside of your comfort zone. And all of those can be quote unquote adventure travel, as you frame it from your own reference.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Yeah, and I'm wondering with guys in general, because a lot of the guys want to do what they know, even on our motorbike trips, they want to go and I know a new ride as well. And as where I find that the gals are willing to try some new things a little easier. That routine follows those guys. So, guys, there's no science I have backing this up right now. Okay, there isn't. It's just a feeling, and you can put in the comments whether you agree or not. But getting outside that comfort zone and trying something new for the first time again is something that's not a bad thing for us.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

There's a couple other trends, because I mean, slow travel is another one, and this spans beyond just over 50, but it's that idea of we touched on a bit, getting away from screens, spending more time in one place, right? So when you're over 50, you can actually kind of do that. Maybe you've got a little bit of work optional living, and so you can do it laptop lifestyle, but you stay on an island in Greece for a month, that kind of thing. So that's like that slow travel. Same thing with like the wellness travel, kind of overlaps a little bit, like the unplugging. We're seeing all these floating saunas. And so, like, that's all that around that wellness travel. Again, just less known destinations is another trend, right? Don't want to be water pistoled in Barcelona. Uh I'm not even sure what that means.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

I'm I'm smiling.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

I think it's a thing. I think the locals were like, they were so tired of people clogging up their streets in Barcelona, they were spraying with water guns or something. So I would say another big trend would be just around domestic discovery travel. And a lot of that has been fueled by a little bit of this riding away from US travel or going to Mexico or going to Central America or going to Europe, but kind of anywhere but the US. Not everybody buys into that, right? But I think it is definitely now a trend. So, and that's feeling a lot more domestic discovery. You know, what can we discover in our own country? How can we frame something we thought we already knew? And that's also where we've seen a growth in interest of indigenous tourism, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

And also finally, one would be intergenerational travel, right? And especially for this age group, the idea of traveling with adult kids, perhaps grandchildren or grandparent grandchild, right? That is definitely also you're seeing properties adapting for that type of multi-generational travel.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

Very cool. And again, adventure travel, it means so many different things to different people. And we're approaching it from the perspective that if you're outside your comfort zone, you're doing something for the first time. The outcome's not perhaps guaranteed. You've got yourself an adventure happening there. So, Mary, what are some of the benefits of group travel? And if you wanted to travel alone, the pros and cons of each?

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Well, obviously, group travel will maybe give you easier access if you don't have the confidence just yet, or if you're just looking for friendship and camaraderie, organized, you don't have to think about it so much, which is in particularly appealing for if it's a country that's maybe more challenging to travel in, where there's a language barrier, cultural barrier, maybe a little bit of safety you're not so sure about. You can also often get access to places that you might not be able to otherwise. I'm going to be traveling into Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. And so there'll be I'm going to be doing that to come at the end of August, September. Your home stays. That would be really difficult to organize on your own. Or another example, I was kayaking in the Baja with Wild Women Adventures, and we had access to Spiritual National Parks, being able to camp there. You could only do that with a permit, and that would only be issued to a group. So there's access kind of stuff. And you also just get different viewpoints, different people in those groups. Of course, there's the downside, and there's a few negatives, but usually you can deal with that. Within a group, you might stay with the group more, so you may not be interacting ad-libbed with a local as much as you might otherwise. When you're on your own, you've got no other opportunity other than to just go chat someone up or talk to them. So you have to make a concerted effort to do that. And then there's always the possibility, although it's much rarer than we might fear, is kind of that person, right? The one that's difficult, awkward, doesn't fit in, just makes it a little bit more difficult. But usually group travel kind of attracts like-minded people. And I guess the other bane of existence of a group is that if you're doing it solo, the solo supplements, right? And so they will try to usually match you up with someone of the same gender, but again, not everyone's comfortable with kind of the wild card of who that might be, right?

unknown 11:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Bring your plugs in case they're a snore. I guess that's the only thing I'd suggest.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

So, you know, on that line, you've talked a little bit about the psychology and interaction there. What about from the physicality of an adventure? I've done cruises, I've done shake and bake holidays, those kinds of things, but I've never done something like this. Any research should be aware of. Like if I'm going on a sea kayaking trip, I should be aware of this, those types of things.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

Well, I think there's usually a pretty good pre-screener there, right? Here's the activities, here's the expectation. You know, are you comfortable sleeping in a tent on a mat on a beach? You know, this is not a luxury kind of experience, but you know, in exchange, here's what you're going to get. Or that yes, you're going to be kayaking in open water, and so are you a good swimmer. What you don't want to do is not have someone who's informed who signs up for something and thinking that they're going to be staying in a yurt on you know, a wonderful bed. And it's like, well, actually, no, your hips are going to be sore. Let's just get over it, right? It's those Shakira, Shakira, the hips don't lie when you get up in the morning. But that's true. Yeah. Again, you take your pick as what the experience and how it matches up.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Yeah. So you have a little bit of responsibility to make sure that whatever the requirements are, you are comfortable with that because otherwise you will be miserable and you won't certainly enhance other people. When we go on motorbike trips, the two guys are a bit older, they're the 70s, and they've pull trailers on their bikes. And but I still pull the tent, you know, and pop up the tent and they laugh at me as I go crunch on the ground and things like that. But I do appreciate a bed when I do get it. But it's an interesting thing to just be aware. And food also, you know, dietary restrictions because you don't have all the restaurants around that you might want to eat holidays. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

And for the most part, places will be quite accommodating to different food needs. But you know what? Don't go to a meat eating only country if you're a vegetarian and expect that you're, I mean, you can expect you're probably going to get some options, but it might not be as extensive as you would like. And that's just part of what it is.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Hey, we're talking with Mary Charleston of Carrier on Queen. After the break, I'm going to ask Mary some of her favorite stories of her adventure travels and some yet to be discovered destinations. You're listening to the Retire and Inspire podcast. See you back in a second. If you're looking for an inspired next phase of life, then MindSwitch may be for you. From retirement roadmaps, informative publications, complimentary webcasts to immersive masterminds and retreats, we've got you covered. Head on over to mindswitch.ca and sign up. There is no cost, and you will receive a work optional life blueprint to start you on your journey. Your next phase of life and MindSwitch, you know it, you're just getting started. Welcome back. This is Scott, and you're listening to part two of Retire Inspire Podcast with Mary Charleston, and today we're talking about adventure travel. Mary, I want to ask you about your favorite stories. I want to ask you about lesser known locations. But the first question I want to ask you here is what has to change in someone's mindset to go from more conventional travel to opening up to what you and I have both known to be an incredible world of experiences that aren't often seen or even sought after.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

You know, I think it comes down to confidence, Scott, and confidence often comes with experience. And so I've got a couple of travel industry friends. Kit Parks does active travel adventures solo. She started with group travel because she found that was a way to be introduced to adventure travel. She'd never camped, right? No, she's all about outdoors, but she had never camped overnight. And, you know, just learning about these things in a group situation built confidence along with experience. Carolyn Ray from Journey Woman's another one. She's currently doing the Camino del Norte along Spain, backpacking it the whole way, you know, again, would not have done that right out of the gate, right? You get little bits of confidence as you go. So I think starting with maybe easier countries, right? So where there's the same language, relatively same culture, Australia, New Zealand, you know, uh UK, Canada, US, that's a way to build some confidence, build a bit of experience. And then you can kind of branch into countries where there's a language challenge, but it still sort of feels like they have the same rules of the world that you're used to, right? So European, France, Spain, Italy, that type of thing. And then you kind of push the boundaries out into areas where it's not the same language, not the same culture, same customs, maybe a little less safe, right? And that's where you're getting into the Turkey, India, Kazakhstan, some of the places you're going. Cambodia, Laos, yeah, Vietnam, right? Like you're kind of pushing a little bit more on it. I've done a lot of solo stuff and some of it in countries where I can't speak the language, but I wouldn't say I've done the solo in areas where it's not the language and also heavily culturally different. I haven't branched into that, and my comfort zone at this stage is more let's do that in a group kind of scenario. The one I'm doing has it say, I'm going over for a conference, so there'll be some stuff that's solo, right? And then I'm joining an intrepid group from Lebanon.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

What you're bringing up here is there's the public perception of what is safe and what's actually happening in those countries through media. We've gone to Kenya a couple of times and northwest of Nairobi, and this was a place where they had elections and people were fighting viciously during an election year. And then the peace came, and my friend and I went and we had a wonderful time, and we even brought our wives and our kids, our daughters, over and there was concern. I can't tell you, I felt safer there with my kids than I do in most places and urban cities in North America. So, any advice in just terms of seeing what limited scope information people present in terms of safety, the government of Canada warnings and all these things, have you found difference between that public perception and what's actually in reality on the ground when you go there?

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Yes, I think what you're sharing is a common experience, Scott. I mean, if we look at the government of Canada warnings only, we'll probably scare ourselves into never leaving our own back door, honestly. Because like I've set alerts on countries I'm going to, and then I forget to remove the alert, and then I'll get something for Nicaragua and I'll get something for Belize. And it's like, oh, okay, that's happening. But then you're in touch with people who are on the ground right now that you met while you're there, and you know that it's much less threatening than it would appear. So I think caution mixed with a little bit of an adventure some spirit. I mean, you don't want to be foolish, right? You want to register with the consulate. You want to make sure that you've done all of that. And again, if you're part of a group experience, trust that the local guides and hosts know the nuances. I was on a group surf trip in Nicaragua during the last uprising, a whole van full of white women, you know, being driven through the back streets because there was some blockade and a riot. And it's like we just trusted our local hosts and they got us out safely. But yeah, that was not expected when we left. It was a little politically edgy, but it turned a little more sour while we were there.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

Do you find sometimes when you go on these adventure travels? I remember going to Costa Rica and to a rainforest sanctuary on the Caribbean coast and in a dugout canoe at 6 a.m. in the morning and a jaguar comes up to the edge of the water, a melanistic jag, a black jag. And doing that, we caught a bowl constrictor because we were doing some bio research there. The confidence that you get from handling adventure travel when you come back, your Nicaragua situation, it makes the challenges that you think you have today at least more manageable. Is that fair?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

I think that's a really fair assessment for sure, is that it frames things from a different perspective and you realize that you've kind of got the moxie to handle what gets thrown at you, even if you didn't think you did. And again, that we talk about experience and confidence. It builds that confidence then to take the next trip, where maybe you do it solo, or maybe you go a little bit more of an adventuresome destination, or you do a mix of the solo and the group. Right. And so I don't think you jump right into you know crazy adventure travel and off solo on your own in some foreign land. Like that's scary, right? But you work up to that.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Absolutely. And especially when a lot of folks go to work optional life and some people out and out, quote, retire and there is no job anymore. You know, your identity gets stripped away, confidence can take a hit, ID can take a hit. Adventure travel can be a really interesting tool and useful tool to build that confidence up, to give you confidence in your own abilities. Tell me, you mentioned Nicaragua, some of the remote Asian countries that you're going to visit to. Can you tell me a favorite story or two about some of your adventures?

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Well, I mean, a lot of my adventures, like solo group with girlfriends with my husband or with my adult kids. The most recent Baja trip with a bunch of women was really quite delightful. That was very last minute. I was a replacement for a gal who unfortunately had to cancel due to some health issues. And so I joined, I didn't know these women. One of them was a friend of a friend, and that was it. And so, you know, just went in and we had a great time. The local guide read a poem. We're on this beach, right? Again, remote beach. It was about sea glass, and it was about the glass being tossed, the edges being worn off, and the glass just moving along and showing up where it needed to show up, and then relating it to aging, right? As a more mature woman, had a few edges knocked off. You know, you've kind of rolled with it, but you've shown up serendipitously where you were meant to be. The poem meant a lot to all of us in very different ways. Again, it's just like one of those serendipitous moments. And you know, that trip, then I tacked an extra week onto it and I went wingfoiling in La Vantana, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:12

For some people who don't know what it is. So, what is wing foiling?

SPEAKER_00 21:15

I think windsurfing, so it's kind of like a windsurf sail, but it doesn't have a mast, and you just hold on to it almost like a kite. And then you're on a board that has a foil and a mast kind of up and down, and then a foil like an airplane. And basically, when you get the foil engaged, it's like riding a magic carpet on top of the water. So I mean, that was one amazing recent memory, but you mentioned it earlier in the Corsica cycling with my husband, 33rd anniversary, revisiting it this time with e-bikes. And the e-bikes have really revolutionized bike touring and made it so much more accessible to many more people, right? The whole bike boat tours, you can do those around Europe. You know, people have done that in Croatia and Holland, even like riding the rail trails up in the Okanagan, right? N BC. E-bikes have made that so much more accessible. That was a really super memorable trip. And then after that, we're trying to avoid airports. So we took the ferry to Italy and then we rented a car, drove through Tuscany and over to the other coast of Italy, and then took another ferry to Croatia. And then did some traveling around Croatia and meeting up with some friends over there. I think what was fun about and memorable about that one was is that realizing that even after 35 years, you still have this really compatible travel style of some of it's planned, right? It was by U-Track, so our accommodations were organized, but we were just self-guided in between in our road trip kind of stuff in Italy and Croatia. A few anchor places to stay, but both of us comfortable with kind of the unknown of like, okay, well, we've got this four-day block. Let's just kind of see where we end up and then book as we go.

unknown 22:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

So that was just some creature stories. I could go on. I could go on.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

It's okay. Fortunately, storage space on the cloud is very cheap. So we can talk as long as the final kind of question is going to be about destinations that people should consider. And I'd like to break this into just a couple of categories. For those who haven't done anything outside of completely organized and four-star, five-star tours, what would be some good destinations and perhaps some activities to try? Yeah, assuming good health. And where for somebody who's you know tried something that's a little bit adventurous but is looking for that next level? Can you paint a bit of a stepladder of things that they might want to consider in terms of destinations?

SPEAKER_00 23:27

I mean, if we're looking at something a little safer, a little like in terms of comfort level, obviously staying within language culture, right? You know, maybe even do like domestic travel within Canada. Honestly, people come from all around the world to come to Canada to go hiking, biking, exploring, camping. We've got it in our own backyard. And so starting in your own province, in your own country, I think you can do a lot of kind of the adventure within that, camping. Like I mentioned, the rail trails up in Okanagan, super fun. You know, or stepping that out into, let's say, Australia. But how about Tasmania, right? And so go to a little lesser known area of Australia. And Tasmania is topographically probably similar to New Zealand. And so there's another one where the same language, you'll understand the money, but there's enough cultural nuances and different country to explore that that could be another way to do it. And then maybe sort of the European countries, but the lesser known areas. So I mentioned Corsica or Sardinia, right? An island, like not mainland Europe, but going somewhere that's a little bit different. Areas where there are enough people that come through that are English speaking that you'll usually be able to kind of get your way with English. And then beyond that, ones that are kind of on the growing list, certainly Asia, right? I know Journey Women's, it was in their top five destinations. My daughter was in Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand earlier this year, raved about it. But I do know that certainly it's not just the 20-somethings that are doing those trips, although it does seem like that's the new circuit instead of the European circuit for the 20-somethings. But yeah, yeah, but certainly that's taking it into a little bit more of the maybe less of your comfort zone. And then there's the ones like India, you know, or going to the stands, which I'm super excited about for this fall.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

You've been in this for a while here. It's a constant juice. I see the light in your eyes when you talk about this. Most people don't do that with their work. What's the light inside of you?

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Yeah, I think just remaining curious. You talk about it in your book too, Scott. And it's practicing curiosity and it's an attitude, it'll keep you young, right? It'll constantly be asking questions, wanting to learn more, being open-minded. I think I come by it honestly. My trainer was my mother, Nancy. She always wanted to learn. She wanted to meet new people, discover new things, be open-minded. And I think if you have that attitude, a natural extension is travel, right? You want to see the way other people live. Why do they live? Why do they think that way? What might I learn and appreciate about what I already have even more by experiencing that? How can I appreciate people better and respect their opinions? God knows we need more of that in the world these days, the vision. I think travel goes a long way to broadening our mindset and opening us up to accepting others. And I kind of think the world needs a bit more of that these days.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

It sure does. Every time I come back from Kenya, I remind myself I have nothing to complain about. And, you know, other perspectives really just make life a lot easier, a lot more fulfilling gratitude, I guess is the word I'm looking for. And just so grateful for what I have. And I'm very grateful, Mary, for you spending time with us today. We have the Carry On Queen with us today. Uh, carryonqueen.com is Mary's website. She has a weekly newsletter that comes into my box every Sunday morning, and it sort of gives me my inspirations for adventure travel going forward. Mary, thank you so much for joining us today.