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Being a DJ For All Ages (with DJ Nugget)
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SPEAKER_04A typical studio class will play about 13 to maybe 17 songs. If that, I play about 70 to 100 for the hour. So for every hour, I'm playing with 70 to 100 songs.
SPEAKER_06Hey, welcome to the fatherless cheat sheet. I am your fatherless friend, Andrew. And today we are talking to the DJ, to the guy Sam, also known as DJ Nugget. He is a great DJ based in Tampa St. Pete, originally from Philly, comes back and forth. He does a little bit of everything. I like to talk to people who work their asses off. I like to talk to people who build something from nothing. It's very interesting to me when someone has creative ability and they also have the business sense and the common sense, the interpersonal skills to turn that thing into their thing. Turn that thing into a viable business. And this viable business, I think, is something we all need right now is to get your ass up and dance a little bit. And he he does that. He's the guy. And he's also parlayed this Sam has into collaborations with big yoga and Pilates programs, dozens of people out there doing their thing to live music, to a live DJ, I should say. DJs are pretty interesting. DJs are interesting in that it's you can almost equate it a little bit to uh, you know, a lead singer of a band or or a you know a great comedian. That person not only holds the crowd's attention but dictates the feel of that crowd and sort of dials into the emotion of the room, whether it's a tiny room with six people or it's 500 people in a big dance hall. I just dated myself dance hall. What the hell is that? You know, the limelight back in the 90s. Uh, I'm not even that old. I was a kid in the 90s, but I guess my point is that it's a it's a fascinating thing. Anybody could play the record, but not everybody could do it in a way that gets the most out of the crowd and out of their emotions, out of their mood, out of their what they want to do that night. You know, people drinking and doing this and doing that and doing more than that. But it takes it takes somebody who's sort of sensitive to that group think and to that group vibe. And and I think Sam was enlightening in that and talking a little bit about his his process and and what he does to get people going and not and what the challenges are and a little bit about his business. And I also just like to talk to people I want to talk to. I found him interesting. He was kind enough to spend some time and come on. So it's the fatherless cheat sheet. Check it out. Okay, guys, very happy to welcome Sam, also known as DJ Nugget, to the Fatherless Cheat Cheat. Sam, so good to see you, man. So good to talk to you. Yeah, this will be good.
SPEAKER_04I'm excited.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I a couple things I was impressed with. You you've cultivated this business and you've managed to not just build a business but do it in a very positive way and sort of bringing the experiential to light, obviously as a DJ, but also some of the stuff you've pivoted to with having sort of the fitness, the fitness realm involved as well. I want to get into all that and more. But first thing I want to ask you is what is it like just being the coolest guy in the room most of the time?
SPEAKER_04Uh when you're DJing, it's nice to the the benefit is is not even being the cool guy, but um, you just don't have to deal with people. Uh going to the bars and having the experience as a DJ is so much different than as a normal person. I'm not waiting in lines for drinks. I'm not bumping into people. I've got a little, my own little VIP section of myself. Everybody wants to hang out up there, which is nice. Um but it's you get to have that experience without any of the hassle and any of the stuff that normal people deal with, with all the waiting and the bumping into people and the crowds and all that. I just I can't do crowds anymore. I'm just getting old. And so the only way I'll go to a nightclub is if I'm working. I won't go as like a regular, yeah, just just attending.
SPEAKER_06Sure. And I'm I'm sh I don't want to speak for you, but I'm sure at this point you have a pretty great network that you're probably not waiting in lines.
SPEAKER_04You have your buddies are behind the uh I just I don't even really I wouldn't say I'm sober, but I don't really drink frequently enough to even but I would say maybe like three years ago, I was drinking a lot more and I would go out and yeah, like that's the nice thing about being a DJ, especially if you're doing a lot of nightclubs, is you know everybody. So you just walk right in and do whatever. Yeah, it's it can be really cool, especially like um my girlfriend right now, she doesn't drink at all, so I can't pull this move on her. But if she did, I'd be able to like walk her right in, and that feels cool.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll get it, we'll walk her in, get her a mocktail. We'll make her feel special anyways. You know what I mean? So you could still do it. But let's let's get into, you know, people look at uh a DJ and they, you know, there's a real psychology behind being a DJ. There's a real, there's a real way and a stark difference between a good DJ and a bad D DJ, someone who could command a crowd and not and keep that party going. What are some of the things like psychologically that you think about during a set?
SPEAKER_04Um, that's interesting. I don't know. Uh it's it's like um, well, you've done it for long enough, you don't even you don't think that much. But um it's really challenging when the room isn't packed. That's when you have to think a lot more because you have to try to get like one little group to start dancing and hope that it infects the rest of the room. Um a lot of times it's just genres and which, you know, you'll look at what people are responding to and then and then you decide to lean more in in one direction or another. Yeah. Um and then a lot of the time I'll have a really diverse crowd at a lot of the places I play. So a lot of the time I'm I'm taking, you know, I might do when I play at Hula Bay, uh, it's this little, not even little, it's a it's a beach bar, essentially, because it's like right on the marina, and you've got boats coming and going, and the there's young people there, and then there's older people there, and there's people there that want country, and there's people there that want EDM. And so what I'll do when the crowd is that diverse a lot of the time is I'll um I'll do back to back to back a bunch of different genres. So I'll do maybe like Jackson 5, and then maybe Beyonce Crazy in Love, and then maybe like a Travis Scott song, and then maybe um, you know, uh Prince Kiss after all of that. Yeah, yeah. And you'll just get 30 seconds of each one, but that kind of makes everybody happy.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, sure. And I and again, sort of tying it back to the fatherless cheat sheet, we talk all the time about connective tissue, what makes us all tick. And I think that nowadays as we're sort of more siloed than ever, sort of on our phones. We feel like we're connected, but we're not. I think it's a it's a cool service for music to bring people together like that, especially when, you know, you you have so many different people at a place like that, but I think connective tissue, as I always say, I beat the drum constantly, is music. And is is at the end of the day a good time, whether you're having a drink or not. Yeah. So it it it it's kind of cool to read the room. Am I allowed to ask you questions?
SPEAKER_04Sure, yeah. All right, cool. When you so p typically the hardest people I have a time like DJing for are is you. Like your exact demographic, like you are what, I'd say between 30 and 40? Uh you're very kind. I'll be 45 in September. Okay, so four-yeah, it's even worse. So I have no idea what your age group wants to hear ever. And even if it's for I think me and you grew up in a time where like it just wasn't cool as a dude to be excited about anything, right? Yeah. So you could hear your favorite song of the entire world and just go, oh yeah, this is good. And that's the only reaction I'm getting out of your age group. Uh and older men that that are like especially like 50 plus, there is, there's no songs you could play unless they're hammered to like really get them excited. So it's really difficult. Yeah. What do you do? Is there are there any, is there any music where you're like, I can't wait to hear this. This is exactly what I want. Uh where you get excited about?
SPEAKER_06Sure. And you know, you it's I I'm a guy, I'm I'm not exactly the the the typical, I'll give you more than a toe tap. I'll get up there with my wife and we'll do a little something. But uh I like I you can't you can't stop me from moving if staying alive comes on. Oh, really? It's not gonna happen. It's it's just it's in my I just start doing it. Maybe it's the whole Saturday night fever eating a slice on the sidewalk type thing. That's it. But something like that, 90s RB, forget it. My wife, she's gonna take the hoops off and start dancing. You know what I'm saying? So it's it's just a when you can just sort of let loose and have a good time with the whole thing. And I I think classic rock, don't stop believing, or something like that, when you're just out drinking with your friends. And what you know, I I think the thing that a good DJ and everything I've seen and heard about you has been nothing but really great, honestly. I'm not shining you on, you're on the show already. Yeah. But it's it's like you, you're able to, a good DJ is able to get that person, that tough, that tough person who's just sitting there with that mug on that nobody wants to be around. And they loosen up a little bit, you know, after a couple surf sides or whatever. So it's a it's a real talent to read the room and and keep it moving like that. And it's it's interesting because we've all, anybody listening, 90% of us, have had experience at a place, at a bar, at a great club, uh, you know, marina side club or something like that outdoors where it's just, you know, it's just feeling it. It's good, feels good, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. All right, good. I'm glad you're not part of the there's some of these guys where they're like, just put on some Bob Dylan.
SPEAKER_06And I'm like, Some Dylan, yeah, that yeah, a little Bob Dylan gets the uh gets the crowd going. Go to the yeah, go to the coffee house and sit in the corner facing the wall, I think, right? Yeah, yeah. But what when so I want to talk a little bit about how you built your business, not not not nuts and bolts. I'm not looking to be too personal, of course, but I I just find it really impressive that as creative as you are and the medium you're in, but you've also built this great business paradigm where now you're doing some stuff with fitness get-togethers, which is a great pivot because not everybody, like you said, your girlfriend's not a drinker, not everybody's there to drink and party. They want to do something at five o'clock and they're it you're you're hosting these big huge yoga classes and stuff like that. Tell me about sort of the genesis of that and and go into that as much as you can.
SPEAKER_04Sure. Um, I started that about roughly a year ago. Um I was living in Philly before I moved to uh Tampa, Florida. And I started it a little bit there, and I just noticed that there was uh a everything is shifting. People are just not going to nightclubs the way they used to. They're not going to bars the way they used to. It's just everything's moving toward fitness and just health, and people just want to feel good. And so I was like, well, I need to get ahead of this as a DJ. I need to find a way to be able to work. Uh so I started all these events that were uh more or less fitness and drinking. Or fitness and a DJ, not even drinking. Like a lot of the events are like kombucha or whatever, but you know, fitness plus a DJ is the basic idea. Um people really like it. It's different than what they're used to hearing. When you go to these fitness studios, if you go to a yoga studio or a Pilates studio, the instructors most of the time are forced to they have a Spotify playlist and they play their songs, and the song plays from beginning to end, and then another song plays, and there's that's fine. But that's what makes the experience with the DJ so different because I play a typical studio class will play about like 13 to maybe 17 songs if that I play about 70 to 100 for the hour. So for every hour I'm playing like 70 to 100 songs, and so you just it it's changing so that much that it kind of keeps you going. It i in this TikTok generation that we live in, people lose interest fast. So keeping those songs cycling just keeps everybody's interest. It's more motivating. Um I have access to a lot of songs and remixes that you can't get a hold of on Spotify. And so I've got like some unique stuff that people can't uh typically hear in class, which is good. So yeah, I mean, that is where it started, and that's what's kept it alive.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, for sure. And to tell me a little bit about the like the relationships that you built along the way and and how you've sort of utilized that in a genuine way, because I think people can sniff bullshit from a mile away. And I think that when you're not, when you don't have that genuine authentic approach, people don't want to work with you. And I think from what you've built and what I understand, you've been able to do that really well. So how is that factored in with some of your partnerships and brand partnerships?
SPEAKER_04I would say the biggest thing is um I think a lot of people get caught up in over-leveraging, which is not necessarily bad. Like you can, as long as you have something to offer, you can leverage appropriately. Uh, and even over-leverage if you feel like your product is good. But I for somebody my size that's just starting out, I would just make sure that I was never making anybody feel like I was asking for more than I was giving. And I was doing a lot of pro bono stuff. The full first year that I did this, a lot of free stuff, a lot, a lot of free events, a lot of just partnering for content, a lot of making sure that um I mean, there's some stuff. I was doing a yoga series and I had to drop it completely because I wasn't able to pay people appropriately. And so, like, I was doing a ticket split. So we would ticket these events, and for a while I was splitting the ticket revenue with the instructors. That way they're motivated to bring people because my network wasn't big enough yet. They're motivated to bring people, I can make them kind of the star of the show. I would put them on all the social media, and then I would split the tickets with them so that we were motivated. But a lot of these people would teach at studios, and their network was already coming to their class at the studio, and they weren't once in a while, you know, you're gonna come to a special event. But like if I'm hiring the same person to do that special event over and over again, you might film like once every three months, right? So we'd do a ticket split, and then 10 people would come and I'd be paying them way under the rate that they deserved. And so I just stopped doing it. And then I leaned into Pilates, which I was getting way higher attendance for, uh, and I was able to pay instructors a flat fee and not have to worry about a ticket split or anything because that by that point my network had grown, people were coming without me having to lean on the instructor to bring their people. Um and uh I didn't have to I was getting enough ticket sales to where I could be like, oh, I'm comfortable playing this paying this flat fee. I know I'm at least gonna make a little profit. Um, or at least be able to break even, which is fine uh for right now. Um and that I think is what helped me to not burn any bridges. Um yeah, because a lot of people that I've seen that are in kind of my lane will try to charge people too much or get people to do too much free stuff for them too early, I think. Yeah. Um also not um your call has been forwarded to voicemail.
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SPEAKER_04Yeah. I just um I've seen a lot of guys try to do what I do, and then they try to like hook up with the instructors and they try to hook up with like the people that are taking the classes and stuff, and that'll just ruin you instantly. Um, it's not worth it. It, you know, you could go on a date with somebody and it could be fine and whatever. But even if it goes well, it just it gets around so fast that you dated somebody that went to to one of your classes and that's how you met them. It just makes everybody feel weird. So, like the biggest part is just not hitting on people. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_04Very good note. That's made people I feel like that. I hope that that's what's made me uh more trusted than a lot of people that are kind of in my position.
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell Sure. I think that's I think that's sort of a a big example, but just a a micro example, a microcosm of the example that it's professionalism, it's trying to have some some existential respect for who you're you're around. And I'm not I'm not mad at those guys at all. I get it. But at the end of the day, you know, the whole the whole, you know, shit where you're you can do it.
SPEAKER_04You could do it. I mean, big risk, uh potentially bigger reward, right? Like I could hit on somebody, I could have hit on somebody in one of my classes and it potentially worked out, and then I end up marrying them, right? Yeah, it could work. But then if it doesn't, it's just you have so much to lose. Um, especially like starting out. And I just don't, you know, I'm the other thing is like a lot of the time, um, I'm the only dude in the room. Yeah and so I have to be pretty conscious of that. And like, you know, if if if you're the only dude in the room and you're also like asking people out, it's just it's just not good.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it could get that could get a little complicated, a little dicey, and it's uh maybe not a good position for anybody, but it it sounds like just staying having tunnel vision, which is again not always the easy, the easy pursuit. Uh, but I think it's uh again speaks to your professionalism. And you know, to that end, I know you had you do you still have the uh sorry, do you still have the the radio show?
SPEAKER_04No, so that's what I I left the um so I was working for iHeartMedia in Philadelphia before I moved out here. Um and it's really crazy. I decided to quit because I was like, I don't see radio being the path that's gonna pay me what I need to make in the future. Yeah. I don't see that happening. So I was like, and my family had just retired in Jacksonville. I was like, all right, I'm gonna be a little bit closer to them. I'm gonna change my career and invest in something that I feel like is gonna pay me more in the future.
SPEAKER_06Sure.
SPEAKER_04And then as soon as I decided that, I had actually told a couple people that I work with, I was like, hey, I'm leaving, I'm gonna put in my my notice soon. And then I got laid off. Oh boy. It was great. It was great. I was gonna leave. I was about to leave. I was about to put in my two weeks' notice, but then I got severance. No kidding. So at the timing, I mean, that was to me, I was like, oh, this is a sign that like I made the right decision.
SPEAKER_06You made the right decision. Isn't that great when life goes, yeah, yeah, kid, you're good.
SPEAKER_04This is good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. The universe gives you the jelly smack across the face. You're okay, kid. You're gonna be just fine.
SPEAKER_04And I got offered another radio job right after I got laid off, but I decided not to take it. I decided to take the risk of of not having a salary and coming out here and trying to start something new.
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell Yeah, sure. I mean at that point you have to go with the trailwind behind you because I think that, you know, that's just like you said, having that little uh little nod and wink from the universe is sometimes what you need, even though you knew the right it was the right decision and you got this efference, which from a pragmatic standpoint is great. It's great. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04What do you I don't actually know that much I've checked out your podcast, but I haven't checked out your personal stuff. Are you is this this isn't your full-time job?
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell I'm a writer. I'm a writer. I've been an actor and writer for years and a producer, and you know, I've my yeah. So I've been What do you have I seen you and stuff? I mean, it's uh yeah, sure. I mean cop number one, yeah, Italian guy eight, you know, that kind of stuff. Nothing uh nothing uh uh speak home about. I still get we laugh because I'll get my my sag checks in the mail from my law and order and and this and that and stuff like that. It's silly. It's pretty cool. It's not it's nothing, but it yeah, it's great. But after sort of later later on, and I stopped booking as much, I still auditioned, but I started to do some more writing and scripted podcasts and other spec projects and stuff like that, and uh other, you know, just other writing gigs as well with production companies and marketing and all that good stuff. Is that what made you want to start this? Yeah, the the I always had This sort of uh, you know, as a as a creative person, you always have those ideas and those kernels that kind of stick around in your brain or your shoe. And and that this was one of those things. And I feel like for me, as with what you're doing, there's a lot of creative autonomy, and I can finally take all of my skill set, put it together sort of in a blender, and and here we are. So it's that's that's sort of what it was, and and obviously my story, the fatherless cheat sheet, that sort of thing. I always had a real uh uh a real search for wisdom, knowledge, and I feel like uh every episode I I say this ad nauseum to uh my you know listeners that I'm just talking to the eight to ten-year-old husky version of me who just needed who needed some uh a little bit of a heads up on certain things because my life has been quite a bit of trial and error, as everybody's has. But so that was really the impetus for this show. So I kind of took all that's the performance, the writing, the producing, and sort of put it into this. I work with a great production team uh, you know, on on some of the stuff and and um you know, that's it. And here we are. But just growing as as you were talking about, you you have to you have to grow it, and it's it's a slow, slower build sometimes than you want it to be.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06So but but you have to that's how you get you have to start the foundation and the bedrock somehow. So hopefully we're we're building to something uh pretty fun.
SPEAKER_04And is the idea behind the podcast that you um pretty much interview people that you find interesting? Is that the is that the gist of it?
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell Yes, uh find interesting, but also uh able to sort of fill out that fatherless cheat sheet, sort of give you tips and pointers like from what I can already extrapolate from what we talked about. If someone's out there, let's say there's a young performer, young DJ, you know, can you imagine telling a young kid, a 20-year-old, that you have to do some things for free for a while? Right? That's that's like uh if you think about it, it's not crazy to us. It's a great idea just to get your foot in the door. But to somebody who's 22 years old going, no, I'm not doing anything for free, maybe it make them think about it a little bit differently.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_06And that they could spend that first year of what they're doing instead of knocking on doors saying, I'm gonna charge you $500 an hour, say, hey, how about I work for you for six months for free and let's see how this thing goes. So those are the things that I really wanted to know. And just just sort of like I said, and even, hey, I'm gonna tell you this the 20, 20-year-old me surrounded by uh, you know, a bunch of ladies in in Lululemons, I I I it'd be sort of tough for me not to go, hey, how's it going? What's going on? What are you doing later? Right. But to hear to hear your version of that saying, listen, you're in a workplace. This is your profession. Although it's spotlights, hotlights, sweating music, this and that, you gotta just calm down, Jackknife, because you don't want to ruin this thing before it starts. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's sort of the point of the show. So we'll do uh real quick. My old man used to say, is there something your dad said to you that uh you has stuck with you over the years, been motivating or or insightful?
SPEAKER_04Um something that has been really cool about my dad is he's like um a really reliable person for me and for the family. So like uh no matter how many fights or how many disagreements or whatever, uh for a long time, he just changed his number, so I can't say this anymore. But for a long time, he was the only phone number I had memorized. Because I was like, I gotta have my dad's number memorized. Um and he would always just reinforce that, like, yeah, he would always have uh my back, whether it's like financially. Like I feel like um it's funny because he can get really upset about really dumb things. But then like I feel like if I called him and I was in jail, I feel like he would be pretty calm and just like be able to help me out, which is really funny. Because like I then like you get so mad about some really stupid things, and now I'm in jail and you're like totally chill. Yeah. So he's that guy. Um, and that has been, I think, something that always sticks with me. It's not necessarily something he's said, but yeah, just something that he's done over the years.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's more, even more important to some degree. It's like leading by example on actions and and with those little things, he's getting pissed off, he's letting the steam out. So for the big stuff, he's okay. It's so wild.
SPEAKER_04It's so I've never seen anything like it. I'm like, hey man, like I'm yeah, I'm in. Yeah. I uh hey, I actually ran over somebody with my car. Should I knock them back out with a shovel? It looks like they might gain consciousness, and he's just like he'll he'll have the answer, you know, and it'll be the right one. Trevor Burrus, Jr. He's the guy. Yeah, he's the guy. So yeah, that's uh that's uh uh always stuck with me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. And that's I I I love hearing that. I always I always sort of live vicariously through the my old man used to say, because I unfortunately never had it. I never say that like a victim or a martyr. I uh I really do say it like, man, that's pretty cool because when you have that guy, when you know that person's in your corner, and I was lucky enough my mom's was great and stuff like that, but it's only so much that she could handle. So when that when that guy, when your corner man is ready to get you out of jail and bury the body if you have to. I mean, that's what you're looking for, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good. Well, I'm never surprised, I'm always pleased by how well my guests communicate and how interesting they are and what they can offer to our fatherless cheat sheet and what we can extrapolate from what they say. Sam was absolutely no exception. Uh you could take a couple good nuggets out of there. See what I did? But I found him to be great, charismatic guy. Hopefully we'll be hearing from him again very soon. And this this conversation, this conversation, these conversations that I have, I I want to talk to people like Sam. I want to talk to creative people who are uh doing doing their thing, helping people out, getting people together. Certainly he would get my ass up dancing a little bit. Uh it doesn't take too much, certainly if you put on staying alive, because that's one of my faves. But really great conversation. What an easygoing, uh great guy. And uh I just, you know, you just root for people like him. And and I I just want to have more guests like that on the fatherless cheat sheet because I think people like Sam and people like my previous guests, Nick and Adam and Kerry and all these great guests I've had just offer a lot of great just tidbits and great pieces of wisdom within the conversation. And I hope I can elicit that from them and and keep that moving so you can learn a little something and have a couple laughs doing it, because that's my only goal. Make you smile a little bit. But as always, thank you for checking out my humble show, The Fatherless Cheat Sheet. As always, YouTube, please subscribe, reach out on Instagram Fatherless Cheat Sheet Podcast at gmail.com. And you can always reach out. I'll say hello, you say hello, we'll say hello, and I will see you soon on the Fatherless.
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