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Ron James, director of media relations for MUFON and award-winning filmmaker behind the documentary “Accidental Truth: Next – Beyond UFO Disclosure” – a film eagerly awaited by the UFO/UAP community as Steven Spielberg’s “Disclosure Day” talks with host Stan Mallow on the podcast/YouTube show “Paranormal Yakker” about his film. In the interview Ron discussed his journey into the UFO community, his work with MUFON lobbying Congress, and his new film featuring 25 participants, many of whom are UFO/UAP rock stars. They explored the Pentagon’s recent release of 162 UFO files and discussed “controlled disclosure,” where the government reveals information incrementally while maintaining secret technology and programs. Ron explained his approach to filmmaking and the challenges in getting whistleblowers to participate. Regarding full disclosure, Ron suggested that external forces, rather than government control, may drive it. He believes humanity is at a critical point where such revelations may become inevitable due to increasing unexplained encounters worldwide. After viewing Ron’s interview with Stan, which takes you from behind the scenes in Washington DC to the edge of reality you are sure to agree that Ron’s film “Accidental Truth: Next – Beyond UFO Disclosure” could very well be the most progressive UFO documentary of our time.
TimeCodes
00:00:00 – MUFON Media Relations Director Ron James - UFO Disclosure.
00:01:34 – Events that brought Ron James into the UFO/UAP Phenomenon.
00:03:47 – Getting UFO/UAP rock stars to participate in Disclosure Doc.
00:04:49 – Civilian efforts that are driving force behind disclosure process.
00:07:10 – UFO Experiencer Bennie Foggin retrieves anomalous metal debris.
00:09:35 – The Phenomenon of Non-human Intelligence Explained.
00:12:35 – Pentagon Releases 162 UFO/UAP Files.
00:14:02 – Controlled Disclosure.
00:18:26 – Whistleblowers come forward at great personal sacrifice.
00:23:37 – Full Disclosure. Who’ll be first? Government or the ETs?
00:25:54 – What’s next after Accidental Truth: Next – Beyond UFO Disclsoure.
00:26:35 – Spielberg’s Disclosure Day Compliments Ron James Documentary.
00:28:22 – How to see Accidental Truth Next: - Beyond UFO Disclosure.
Hi everyone, I'm Stan Mallow, your host of Caribbean Yacker. My special guest on today's show is Ron James, one of the world's leading voices in the UFO UAP disclosure movement. He's director of media relations for MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, one of the oldest and largest civilian volunteer organizations dedicated to investigating UFO UAP sightings. And I'm proud to say I've been a longtime member of it. Beyond Ron's media duties with MUFON, he's an award-winning filmmaker and documentarian known for his uh projects covering the UAP phenomenon, such as Accidental Truth, UFO Revelations. I'll be talking with Ron about the long-awaited sequel to that film, Accidental Truth, Next Beyond UFO Disclosure. Ron is directed it. It's narrated by Matthew Modine, featuring actor Thomas Jane with music by Halloween's Alan Haworth. It's sure to be this year's go-to UFO UAP film right along with Steven Spielberg's Disclosure Day. Ron James, welcome to Paranormal Yacker.
SPEAKER_00Thanks for having me on. That was a long intro. I'm listening to it and I'm like, wow, that's pretty cool. Oh, wait a minute. That's me. Oh, cool.
SPEAKER_01Do you, Ron, recall when you first found yourself being drawn into the UFO UAP phenomenon and what event or events triggered something in you which motivated you to go full throttle in exploring the UFO UAP universe?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, that's a that's a great question. And for me, I was always interested in the topic. I've always been a fan of the paranormal, just even growing up, just as an armchair aficionado, I think you might call it. I was very moved by Eric Von Doneken's Chariots of the Gods. It was literally, even to this day, the only UFO documentary that ever made full theatrical and was one of the biggest movies of all time. And uh, you know, that got me interested as a kid. And then years later, I owned a video production company. I was living in Sedona. I had already made a decision that I was going to tackle topics such as the nature of reality and life after death and the UFO topic. And that's why I was in Sedona. I had a studio there and I was interviewing people and making films. And I met Stephen Bassett from Paradigm Research Group. He came through town, and I think this was around 2006, and I interviewed him. He was speaking at a local conference. And when he found out that I owned a video production company and I could do live streaming and you know run crews and that kind of thing, he um he hired me to produce his ex-conferences. So I think it was 2007 or 2008, went to my first ex-conference, and all of a sudden, all of the people that I had met, watched on television for my whole life, I'm surrounded by them. I mean, I'm like, oh, there's Nick Pope, or there's uh, you know, there's George Norrie, there's George Knapp, there's Stanton Friedman. And it was just like all of a sudden, I was hanging out with these guys that I've known for a long time and respected. And getting to know them, it really opened my eyes to how dedicated most of the people in our field are, and how we are really still dealing with the biggest deception ever laid out for humanity. And those two things just kind of motivated me to get involved and and to see what I could do as a filmmaker and as an investigator to move the ball toward the truth.
SPEAKER_01How easy or difficult was it for you, Ron, to get so many rock stars of the UFO UAP community to participate in your documentary?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, the new ones got pretty much everybody. I think there's 25 people in it, which is kind of a no-no for documentaries, but I, you know, I I don't make things that look like other people's work. So I wanted to do something unique. Well, I've become fast friends with a lot of them, and I have a good reputation in the field, which is hard to maintain in this rough and tumbled environment. It's all based on personal relationships. Just asking some of the people that I have interviewed, I had to fight really hard to get. I had to just never stop trying, and other people just will sit for me over and over again. Nick Pope, Richard Dolan, both have been very good to me over the years. And of course, I miss Nick terribly. We were friends. So yeah, it's it's just a matter of putting out good product, putting out product of integrity, and maintaining your reputation, respecting the people that you're interviewing.
SPEAKER_01Your film, Ron, shows civilian efforts have been the driving force behind the disclosure process in Washington, DC, and it has been done in unprecedented, little known ways. Can you share one or two of them?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, um that I haven't heard that one before. Did you get that from something? Did Dan write that? Might have been a combination out of me. A lot of this is me. Well, well, you know what? That tells me that you're familiar with the with the material. That's great. Thank you, Stan. Yeah, we were able to, as as media relations director for MUFON, that opened a lot of doors. We had a lobbying firm in Washington, D.C., very talented lady named Jessica Taco that ran that. And she got us meetings with over 300 meetings with sitting members of Congress and staffers. We were behind the scenes doing this work. I was watching on TV and I'm watching on films, all these people trying to make that like there's some big shot in Washington, D.C. And frankly, Stan, it's not about that at all. You're not out there to prove to the world that you could talk to a congressman. You're out there to get down in the nitty-gritty and go behind the scenes and make things happen. We didn't talk a lot about what we did, but we did we did quite a bit. We were able to influence legislation. We were able to brief, in fact, we still brief uh Congress uh every quarter with our summaries that is read by the Intel committees. Yeah, we were able to go in there and make a difference. One of the things that I put in my new film is a lot of times I get asked, do the people in Congress know what we, the UFO community, know? It's a good question because we know that members of the military are going into their offices and telling them things. We know that, you know, they're getting certain information, but are they hearing from the UFO community? I answer that question in the new film because it shows an actual briefing where I sat down with Congressman Tim Burchett and others and told them what a regular UFO investigator would tell them. We told them about Roswell, we told them about the reverse engineering programs, I told them about Leonard Stringfield's work and all of the legacy program um evidence that there is. Yes, I I make it very clear to the world that somebody told these guys, because I did.
SPEAKER_01UFO experiencer Benny Fogan saw anomalous metal debris fall from a saucer-shaped spacecraft flying over his house. He retrieved it and eventually gave it to you. You in turn handed samples to the US government. However, the results given by the government did not match your tests. In what ways, Ron, did your test differ from that of the government?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, it's very interesting. This material has been tested numerous times. I'm not the first person who's had my hands on it. There's a Discovery Channel show featuring Mark Barrow where they tested it, and it came back as an anomalous alloy that was manufactured, but they couldn't tell how. The government's results were, hey, it's a piece of scrap aluminum. It's absolutely nothing. At the same time, we had a professor at a university doing research on it, and he says, Well, I mean, it's certainly aluminum-based, but I can't figure out why there's certain elements in it. And the other thing is, is there's elements to it that seem to have almost a ceramic quality. And then he began to question whether or not Oak Ridge Labs, who tested Ferrero, did as thorough a test as they should have. We have that, and then there's other tests that have happened. Lou Elizondo and Tom DeLong actually went to this guy's house and got the sample of the material. He never could get a straight answer out of how it was testing. We know that it went to Halputoff, we know that it went to Gary Nolan, we know that Jacques Villet had some of it for a minute, but none of these guys are willing to say, yeah, this is the exact test results, and here they are. The story about this metal, did it come from a flying saucer? That's what Benny says. But to me, that's not the story. The story is how this guy is has been impacted by this, and how after being tested so many times by so many government agencies, he still can't get a straight answer about what it is. Even the latest Arrow report, because I took the samples that I retrieved to Kirsten Gillibrand's office and handed them over on the very day that Arrow was having its new hearing in Washington, D.C., and we were being introduced to John Kozlotsky. I think that's right, pronouncing his name. So I was there and um and I interviewed Kirsten Gillibrand about Arrow and other things. But yeah, we turned over those samples and those and the materials results been published by Arrow. I'm the one that gave it to him.
SPEAKER_01You, Ron, say the phenomenon of non-human intelligence is simply a gateway to revelations uh so profound that we must rethink the entire nature of our existence. What are your reasons for saying that?
SPEAKER_00Well, you know that we allow a lot of them in the film, but the fact of the matter is that there is no nuts and bolts explanation to this. We have materialist science cannot explain what's going on. The idea that consciousness is fundamental has still not gained universal scientific acceptance, but we're getting closer. And once you accept that consciousness is fundamental, meaning that everything else springs forth from consciousness. Consciousness is the only active force, everything else is an illusion that comes from that. Once you accept that consciousness is fundamental, and you accept that perhaps we are spiritual beings who have chosen to create a simulation in which we can have a human experience, and there's a case for that as well through spiritual teachings and science. Once you realize those two things are true, then you realize that anything is possible within this simulation matrix, whatever you want to call it. I know people have a hard time for that. I try to make it a little easier to absorb in the movie, but it is what it is. Then you realize that, hey, you know, we came here. Perhaps our biggest mission is to puzzle our way back out and figure out what's going on with this reality and who and what we truly are. All of these things are giving us these clues of, hey, here's something that is absolutely impossible based on everything you believe, but it's happening right in front of your eyes. We have to take a whole new pathway toward interpreting this, figuring out what questions we even need to ask. We make that point several times in the film is that we're not even asking the right questions because we don't know what they are. We don't have the vocabulary to describe what we're seeing. Our perception and our understanding of space and time and physical reality are completely uh juvenile at best. When we look at all these different beings that are interacting with humanity, are they aliens? Are they living inside the earth and they've been here a long time, right alongside us? Or do they travel through time? Are they interdimensional? I think the answer is all of the above, because we're living in a universe and a realm that is teeming with life of all kinds. They're even starting to recognize that perhaps plasma has a life force of its own, and that some of what we're seeing when we summon these UFOs are these plasma beings. All of it points to you guys don't know anything, us. We know we know nothing about our reality. And that's what the new movie's about. It's like, okay, we can accept that we're being interacted with by a non-human intelligence. Let's just take that one. But what does it mean? More importantly, what's next for humanity? So it opens up a whole new can of worms that we're just now starting to talk about.
SPEAKER_01What, Ryan, was your reaction to the Pentagon's May 8th release of 162 UFO UAP files?
SPEAKER_00You know, a lot of people are hailing this as some giant step towards disclosure. I don't buy it. I mean, am I the only one in the room saying the emperor has no clothes? It was laughable. Some of that material has already been public for years and years. Freedom of Information Act requests. The big thing that people talk about is, oh, there's three lights in the sky over the moon, and there's a note from NASA that it might be a physical object. And people are acting like that's some kind of new information. But we've had that image for years, and MUFAN's own Mark D'Antonio debunked that image, and I think it was the proof is out there as just lens aberrations in the camera. There was no object, according to our analysis. That little star-shaped image that was on video has been debunked as being obviously a flare on a parachute that's creating a certain type of lens flare, completely debunked. As you go through the information, it's either already out there, it's questionable at best. To me, it's almost like they just brought in a whole other person who knows nothing about the topic and gave him some stuff to play with. It's an insult to anybody who knows about the field. When President Trump shows up at the podium with pictures from Roswell, that's when I'll be impressed. Right now, I'm not impressed with any of it.
SPEAKER_01I know that Uran, MUFON, and the entire UFO, UAP community are pleased with what has transpired thus far regarding full disclosure by government, regarding them revealing the truth to their citizens about alien beings who have and still do visit our planet. A lot more disclosure is needed. And it's your belief, what has happened to date is part of an ongoing process. That ongoing process term is often described within the research community as controlled disclosure. What run is controlled disclosure?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a little bit to unpack there. So I think I'm the one that wrote that press release. I'm trying to be nice here because Mufon has to take an official stand. And MUFON's official stand is hey, you know, great start, keep going. Uh basically. But from a personal standpoint, yeah, I'm rolling my eyes. To me, controlled disclosure is it started the modern era of it started in 2017 when Lou Elizondo came forth with uh the tapes that Christopher Mellon had had gotten out of the Pentagon, and it re-ignited the entire conversation, Ralph Blumenthal's article, everything we talked about in Accidental Truth 1, that ignited the discussion again. But what people don't know, unless they're a UFO historian or a researcher, is that we got this exact same performance back in the 60s and the and the late 50s. We had General Samford come forward and say, there's things in the sky that they're not our technology, we can't explain them. We had Don Kehoe, who had a military background and was involved in these programs, coming forward, laying out everything we're hearing today, only we heard it 60 years ago. And if you review that history, and I think in the first accidental truth movie, we review that history, and that movie you can see for free, by the way, on YouTube. So I encourage people to check it out because it tells this story. What we've seen since 2017 is a repeat performance of the same thing. It's like they they hired the same screenwriter, and all he did was change the names. It's so similar. And what people don't know is that in the uh in the 60s and 70s, UFOs were huge. We had the Travis Walton thing, we had books, tons of books, dozens, if not hundreds, of books about it, TV shows, documentaries, sightings were happening all over the place. So the topic was just as big then as it is now, and then it kind of died down for a minute. And then here we are today. Everybody that that has stepped forward, I believe, is working toward a controlled disclosure. And what that means is how do we admit to the public that there's non-human intelligence around us without having to take responsibility for all the terrible things we've done over the years to keep it a secret? Incorrect distribution of technology and opportunities from technology, the actual what could even be crimes against humanity that that need to be addressed. If you are in possession of a power source, like what powers these crafts, that could make a box that you put in your house and it powers your house and charges your car, and you didn't bring that immediately to the world because of the obvious financial reasons, that's a terrible thing to have done. I think technology is pushing us to the point where we're not going to be able to continue to deny that there is non-human intelligence, but the people, the government, especially the government and its private industry partners and these very deep people that are managing this secret, they are going to drag this out as long as they possibly can, and they are going to tell us as little as they possibly can. I believe that we will never get the whole truth admitted lock, stock, and barrel, by government. And so when we say controlled disclosure, yes, they are drip, drip, drip the information, and they're taking their time. It's been almost 10 years since Lou Elizondo stepped forward. And what have we got? I mean, we're just now starting to get more videos that don't really prove anything. Ten years is gone. How much longer is it going to take?
SPEAKER_01A number of people who appeared in Accidental Truth next beyond UFO disclosure did so at great personal sacrifice, especially the brave whistleblowers. But the bottom line is they did come forward. Were there any people you approached who declined to be in your film for that reason? They did not want to suffer the consequences they might have to endure if they did.
SPEAKER_00Well, anybody who saw the first accidental truth film knows that I don't play around with keeping other people's secret. If I'm sitting in a room with you and we're five feet apart and I know you know something I want to know, and my viewers want to know, I'm gonna dig for it. And so that kind of disqualifies me for it because people have heard that. So yeah, Tim Gallaudet turned me down, Carl Nell turned me down, a few people because I'm not here to make friends with people, I'm here to get information that I can share with the public. And I'm certainly not, you know, obnoxious or dishonest or immoral in the way that I do that, but I'm after the truth. Some people have been good sports about it, and some people will avoid me with a 10-foot pole. After Accidental Truth Next comes out, I don't know how many people are gonna talk to me anymore. But at some point I gotta say, well, I've already said everything I have to say anyway. But yeah, what has happened to so many people in our field, and I'm not gonna name names, but it's other filmmakers and it's investigators and it's podcasters, they get pulled into a room one day and they hear the thing that says, Look, I'm gonna tell you something, but you gotta keep it to yourself. This is not information to go public. And as soon as they agree to that, then they have signed into this controlled disclosure. They have made themselves part of the narrative, not part of the solution. And my answer every time I've heard that, and I've heard it a lot, is to just look at the person and say, then don't tell me. I do not want to carry the burden of your secret. Okay, if you have to walk around holding this information inside yourself, that's your own inner battle. I'm not gonna have that inner battle going on in my life. So don't if you don't want it my next film, don't tell me. And if so many people have made that bargain, including members of Congress. You can talk about that if you want. Right, sure. Well, if you look back at the very beginning of this, and and let me caveat this with the people that are in Congress that are truly making noise about this topic, they do really care. And especially back in the beginning, they were very gung-ho to get to the truth, and now they've had 10 years to realize what a difficult task that's gonna be. But if we look back at a case study, Marco Rubio, okay, before the very first hearings, which came shortly after the 2017 release of information, we had uh Moultrie and Bray from the defense and intelligence agencies from the defense department testifying that they know nothing about nothing. Marco Rubio is very loud. He's gonna get to the bottom of this stuff. And right after those hearings, he he went into a closed session and he came out and he largely quit talking about it. Then when he was in age of disclosure and he was interviewed about that, he kind of laughed it off and said, Yeah, well, you know, that was some creative editing, and uh, you know, they're just trying to make money off a movie. And I I did not. Know these things. These are just things I was told. He basically threw his whole appearance in the movie. In my opinion, he threw himself under the bus or he threw the movie under the bus. But so something happened in that room, Stan. Something happened in that closed session that convinced Marco Rubio to keep his mouth shut and to quit talking about it. I have this theory that it's a lot easier to get somebody to keep a secret if they believe the secret needs to be kept than it is to get them to keep a secret because you threatened them. So what I think is happening, what I've seen happen is that over the years now, and it's been years, people like Tim Burchett and people like Luna and even Eric Burleson, they've been able to get their clearances. And now, when a person who's running a program goes into their offices or into a skiff, if necessary, that they now have the clearance to hear the story. And the more they've gotten their clearances, the less they're sharing with the public. If you think about it, just analyze the things they're saying now. Now they're saying things like, Well, yeah, we went into a closed session and we were told some stuff that was terrifying. Yeah, but what was it? Oh, well, we can't tell you. So now the same people that were fighting for the truth are helping to keep the secret. And the things that they're revealing to the public are getting more and more cryptic. And this is a result of them being read into things that they understand on some level that we shouldn't be disseminating to the public. If you think about it and you analyze the things that are being said from then till now, you will see this pattern unfold. I'm not making it up, it's very clear.
SPEAKER_01From your worldwide context within the UFO UAP community, both within and out of governments, would you run venture to give a ballpark figure as to when full disclosure will take place? And what are the odds of our space brothers and sisters making themselves known to us in full force before the government reveals their existence to us?
SPEAKER_00Well, I think that you you you mentioned something very interesting. If these beings are as technologically advanced as they are, then it would stand a reason that they really are the ones in control of what's being disclosed. The idea that the government has the final say, probably not accurate. But I think that there's a humanity's at a breaking point. We have to make collective decisions right now for our own outcome to be positive. We are at the point where we can destroy ourselves in minutes, and we're at the point where we're not getting along and we're in a very precarious position. The world is being run by, in my opinion, a lot of people who don't place the proper value on human life, and we have AI coming. We're at a point where we've got to make some decisions collectively and we've got to turn this big ship in a better direction. And I think that's why the government is probably being pushed to reveal stuff. But when we say the government, you know, there's many, many, many layers. It's like an onion. The people that are really managing this information, the people that decided it needed to be kept from the public back in the 40s and late 30s when MJ 12 or some similar group was started, they'll never know who they are. We'll never know what they know. And I don't think they will ever tell us everything there is to know that they know. But the existence of non-human intelligence, we're at the point where that pretty much needs to be revealed because it's revealing itself. It's not so much happening in the halls of Congress as it is happening to everyday people all over the planet that are having encounters that they can't explain. The encounters have so much consistency across demographics and cultures that they can't be ignored either.
SPEAKER_01By any chance, Ron, is there a project on the burners that will be the next next after your current next? And if that's the case, could you share it with my audience? Or at this point in the development stage of the project, it's uh for your eyes only.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, I don't even know what that looks like yet. We raised so many questions in Accidental Truth Next that people are gonna be thinking people watch this movie. Have you have you seen it? Oh, absolutely, and I loved it. Yeah, I can tell by by some of your questions. A lot of guys give me on and they haven't even seen the trailer. I'm like, why are we here? No incredible. What'd you think of it?
SPEAKER_01I I think it was incredible. And when I said about you and Disclosure Day with Spielberg, you're gonna be the two biggies of the year. It was incredible. And like I said, sorry, we matched so many of the who's who in the UFO UAP community together to come out and to talk. It was great. I loved it.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's fantastic. It's good to hear. You know, I'm nervous, frankly, because uh, you know, I worked on it for two years and I hope people like it. I really do. I took a lot of chances as a filmmaker and making it. Oh, a documentary shouldn't have 25 people in it, but it does. The journey that the film takes you on, it starts very nuts and bolts in Washington, DC, and ends up on the fringes of reality. And some people have said, I should be two movies. And I'm like, maybe, but it's the story of one journey. And so wherever the journey takes me next is what will be next. As things unfold, it's shifting from a need to prove that there's a non-human intelligence in our midst and to prove that there's life in the universe. That's going to unfold by itself. I don't need to prove that anymore. It's going to be so self-evident to everybody soon enough, if it's not already. The next thing is where do we take humanity once we understand all this stuff? And to me, that's a far more interesting subject than trying to figure out if they're little green men from Zoreticuli or whatever. They're they're probably all of those things, but what does it mean to us? And more importantly, what does it mean to you, the viewer, the everyday person who doesn't even care about this topic except watching Ancient Aliens on Wednesdays? After next is figuring out what's next, after what's next.
SPEAKER_01And I would be hope that I would be next in you telling me about it when it comes out so I could have you as a guest.
SPEAKER_00Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01How Ron, can viewers of Paranormal Yacker avail themselves of accidental truth next beyond UFO disclosure?
SPEAKER_00Well, well, thanks for asking, Stan. So, first off, if they haven't seen the first accidental truth movie, it's still out there. You can get it on Amazon and Apple TV and and those places. But there's also tons of places where you can watch it for free. YouTube Movies and TV, if you want to watch it for free and you and you don't mind commercials, go watch it there. I get paid a little bit, not much, but I'm not complaining that people can see it for free. I'm glad they can. So watch the first accidental truth movie. And then Accidental Truth Next comes out on Amazon, Apple TV, and YouTube Movies and TV. It's going to be full rent for a while. I got to refill the financial coffers so I can make the next movie. So I hope nobody minds that and they'll support it. Um, it'll be on those three platforms. You can keep up at accidentalth next.com. Yeah, prime video, YouTube movies, apple TV. It comes out on June 2nd to the whole world. And we're having the opening, the premiere on June 1st at Contact in the Desert. So if you happen to be at that event, you can come and see the movie for free. I'm petrified of that too. You know, it's like you put a lot of time and energy and love into something, you take a lot of creative risk, and then you just don't know how it's gonna fall. So I made as close to the movie I wanted to make as as I could. It wasn't until the very end when I was like, I finally got it. Two years, finally got it. So yeah, that was very exciting, and I'm excited for it to come out. And of course, there's Matthew Modine narrating again. There's Thomas Jane, who has amazing things to say. The special surprise is Alan Howorth and his music. I got the guy that wrote the music for the Halloween movies and Escape from New York and They Live, and Christine did the entire soundtrack, and Sony Music is actually going to release the soundtrack. So that's pretty exciting.
SPEAKER_01Ron James, I thank you for being my guest on Paranormal Yakker. It's been a super great experience yakking with you.
SPEAKER_00I really appreciate it. And as you can see, I have a tendency to yak, so probably a good match. Absolutely. It's great. So I thank you so much for being a guest. I really appreciate you having me on. And if as the film comes out and disclosure day comes out, if you need to anybody to check in with, you know, let me know. I'm always available. Perfect. Thank you.
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