WEBVTT 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:06.080 That all of life is God desiring to communicate with us. 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:12.880 And the great journey of our life is learning to behold God in everything. 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:19.920 So if we're saying how do I hear the voice of God, I would first say, maybe let's rephrase the question. 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.320 Something like, How can I listen for God in all things? 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:27.760 Here we are. 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:28.399 Hey guys. 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:29.280 Hello, hello. 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:30.480 Hi, Pastor Nathan. 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:31.519 Hello, Pastor Tommy. 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:32.079 How are you, sir? 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:32.640 I am good. 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:34.000 Hello, future Pastor Sari. 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:34.960 Let's go. 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:36.960 Sari, my daughter, the intern. 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:43.520 So this episode is going to go in directions that we have no idea where it's going. 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:47.359 But we know it's going to be good because the people in the room are amazing. 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:49.840 And so I am excited about this conversation. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:51.920 Here's the topic of the conversation today. 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:53.679 It's called, hey dad. 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:55.520 And I don't know what she's going to ask me. 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:55.920 I love it. 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:02.240 So Nathan, you're here to one, keep me from saying something that I have to publicly apologize for later. 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:03.920 Always down to help with that. 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:10.959 And two, to edit out anything that I might say that needs to be edited out for the sake of attorneys and stuff. 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:12.879 Also to learn from a great dad. 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:13.760 As a dad. 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:14.480 As a dad. 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:15.040 As a dad. 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.760 I want to learn from you, dad who's gone a little bit more ahead of me. 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:17.920 Okay. 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:18.879 Kids who are a little older. 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:22.000 So I'm here also just to vibe out and here's some awkward data stuff. 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:23.680 So it may be about parenting stuff. 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:25.040 It may be about theological stuff. 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:26.159 It may be about pastoring stuff. 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:28.480 It may be about life stuff, maybe about young adult stuff, college stuff. 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:29.519 Who knows what the stuff is? 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:31.040 I don't know what the stuff is. 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:34.319 But Sarah, you have a list full of hey dad things. 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:34.799 I do. 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:35.200 Okay. 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:37.920 And so we're going to kick it off with the first hey dad thing. 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:38.799 Fire away. 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:39.120 Let's go. 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:39.519 All right. 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:40.799 So starting off, starting off. 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:42.640 Said hello, future pastor Sari. 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:43.359 Oh, goodness. 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:44.079 Oh, here we go. 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:45.439 Starting off with my first question. 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:49.200 Hey dad, how did you know that you wanted to be a pastor? 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:50.560 How did you know you were called to be? 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:52.079 I love this question. 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:55.760 I was saved in the late 1900s at the Brownsville Revival. 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.959 I was going to be a business major. 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:02.079 Like you are a marketing and finance major, double major, right? 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:06.879 Now you're kind of taking a victory lap to get as many theology and biblical studies courses as you can. 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:08.719 I was saved at the Brownsville Revival. 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.960 Some friends of mine went to a local church in the Niceville, Valp area. 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:19.759 And I remember watching the preacher on stage preach and think, I think I could do better than that. 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.560 At first it was like youthful arrogance, right? 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:26.240 Because looking back, like I probably could not have done better than that. 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:34.879 But here's the thing the desire, nobody told me this, but what I should have paid attention to was the desire that was driving that youthful pride. 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:39.680 And the desire was like, oh, I could see myself doing what that person is doing. 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:45.439 And so I think that if we delight ourselves in the ways of the Lord, then he will give us the desires of our hearts. 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:50.319 And usually we think if we do the right things, well, God will give us the things we're asking for. 00:02:50.560 --> 00:03:00.400 What I think it means is that the heart, the interior life, the soul of a human is trained by doing the will of the Lord. 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:06.960 And over time, the desires, the things that you want shift to align with what God wants. 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:12.479 And so as you do life God's way, your desires become God's desires. 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.120 And so watching him do that, paying attention to the desire. 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.800 And then one night I was at a church in South Walton area. 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.199 I hadn't really been there much. 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.319 Nobody really knew who I was, except for my friend that I went with. 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:28.479 I answered every altar call during that time. 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.039 And so because I was like, God, what do you want for my life? 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:32.319 I feel it like this stirring. 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:33.439 Nobody in my family's a pastor. 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.599 Nobody in my family's hardly a Christian, right? 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.439 Like, is this what you want from me? 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:42.319 Because I'm walking away from full scholarships and but potential career and everything. 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.639 And I remember I was at this church service one night and I answered the altar call. 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:58.800 And there was a man, I remember him being gray-headed, wearing a gray suit, and he came up to me, laid his hand on my shoulder, and he said, Son, the Lord knows you're torn between business and ministry, and he's going to allow you to do both. 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.039 I didn't, I'm still learning what that means. 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:02.639 I have some thoughts on what that means. 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:04.159 But that was how I knew. 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:11.039 Like I just, I, the desire started burning and growing inside of me to where I was like, I think this is what I want to do with my life. 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:12.960 I want to, I want to ask Pastor Nathan the same question. 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:14.800 Am I allowed to say, Yeah, say, hey dad? 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:15.199 Hey, dad. 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:15.919 That's a great learning. 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:22.240 I love what you were just saying about how you were watching somebody and it began to stir something in you. 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:22.480 Yeah. 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:24.000 Like, I want to do what they're doing. 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:25.439 Or I feel like I can do what they're doing. 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:32.480 I think that it's cool how the Lord uses, He wants to work in and through people to impact and influence other people in the kingdom. 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:33.600 It's a beautiful thing. 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:34.720 That's similar to my story. 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:49.120 I shared this a couple podcasts back, but just about being in a church service and watching the worshipers at my church lead and just feeling this pull, this draw, like the Lord putting his finger on like that thing, pay attention to it, you know. 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.759 And uh I was thinking even you're saying that my cousin, so it works in other places, you'll see it. 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:58.319 My cousin ended up playing college basketball and semi-professional overseas basketball. 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:10.319 And when we were kids, when we would watch basketball games or on TV or be at basketball games, we'd go to like the Air Force Academy basketball games, the way that he watched the players play was different than how I watched the players play. 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:17.279 I love basketball, I love watching basketball, but he was watching them like I feel this draw to do what they're doing. 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:17.519 Yeah. 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:25.920 So I think as the Lord's calling you to different things in life, pay attention to the people he puts you around and puts you connects you with. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:33.040 And when you're drawn to like, wow, what they're doing, I'm watching them do what they do, whatever that may be, there could be something to that. 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.160 So yeah, and I think it's true of any profession, really. 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:42.560 If if you're around like people who are real estate agents, you're like, bro, that would just that would be the dream, right? 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:44.319 And then why do you talk yourself out of that? 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:45.360 Why not follow that dream? 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:53.680 And that dream might you what you want to do is get going in the direction that you sense God is leading you, even if you can only see one to two steps, take one to two steps. 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:54.000 Yeah. 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:55.439 Don't worry about the tenth step. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.319 It'll become clear once you take the second step and the third and then the ultimately the ninth step, right? 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.959 And then it's like, oh, well, that that's the thing. 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:03.839 That's it. 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:04.399 Yeah. 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.560 That's kind of where I'm at right now a little bit. 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:15.360 Um, that's actually so cool that you said that it was kind of like a experience where you saw the pastor doing like what he was doing, and you were like, Well, I think I could do that better. 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:17.839 Because I've been sitting there before watching me preach. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:18.879 Yes, thinking. 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:19.920 I've gone to the city. 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:25.839 Well, the truth is that little lady listening to the body. 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:27.680 But seriously, but seriously, no. 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.560 It was it wasn't with you, but you gave me the joke, so I had to let that. 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:31.360 You're welcome. 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:42.959 Um, but yeah, I've seen other pastors, I've seen other youth pastors, whether it's recordings or I've sat in on something where I've thought to myself, like, I feel like I could have delivered that better, or I feel like I could have made that more relatable to the people that were listening. 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:43.279 Yeah. 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:50.560 And I I've like talked to people about it and I've had to kind of ego check myself, being like, hold on, like you're like way new to this. 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:50.879 Yeah. 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:54.959 You've only sat in on these services, you don't know the behind the scenes, all this other kind of stuff. 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:02.959 Um, but it's okay to have a little, it's okay to have that confidence though, to think like all you're doing is you're paying attention to the gift of God inside of you. 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:03.120 Right. 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:09.199 And if you give God the glory, then it's like, God, you've you've made me to where I can do some things. 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.399 Why is it wrong to be like, dude, I'm I'm wired for that? 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.560 Like I I may even be able to do better than that. 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:14.959 Okay. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:16.879 God'll God will kill your ego. 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:17.279 Yes. 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:17.680 Yeah. 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.160 In the beginning, everything that you touch starts to work. 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.399 When you first get saved, all your prayers get answered. 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:22.720 Right. 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:28.000 And then in your late 30s, it's like, I don't think any of my prayers are ever going to get answered ever again. 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:32.240 You go through the tunnel of chaos and you're like, oh God, you've been growing me the whole time. 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:33.600 So that's cool, man. 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:34.240 That's really cool. 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:34.720 All right. 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:35.279 It's really good. 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:35.839 Let's go. 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:36.480 All right. 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:37.279 Next one. 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:37.759 Hmm. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:38.319 Hmm. 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:38.639 Hmm. 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:39.360 I have a list. 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:40.240 She got a list. 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:40.879 I like this. 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:41.759 Awesome. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.040 Ooh, okay. 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.079 That's interesting. 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:47.279 This one, this one. 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:47.759 Okay. 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:52.079 Hey dad, how would you teach someone to hear God's voice? 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:55.680 What a question. 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:57.759 We can always circle back to questions. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:58.879 No, we're going in. 00:07:59.120 --> 00:07:59.360 Okay. 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.000 How would you teach someone? 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:04.240 That's the interesting part of that question. 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.879 How would you teach someone to hear God's voice? 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:08.560 I'm asking for me specifically. 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:13.199 How would you, if you were to sit down with me, how would you teach me or guide me to hear God's voice? 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:21.199 I think I think that the difficult part of that question is one, teach, but two, God's voice. 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:26.639 Is because we think God's voice and we think a voice in our head. 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:27.759 Is that what you think? 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:28.399 Yeah. 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.519 I actually I have a experience to give you. 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:36.879 Okay, so a couple nights ago I was laying in my bed and it was like way past the time I should have been asleep. 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:40.879 And I just got to thinking, like, I don't think I've ever audibly heard the voice of God. 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:42.399 Like from the outside coming in? 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:42.799 Yes. 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:46.639 And it made me kind of sad because I've been like, well, I want to know what that's like. 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.840 And I just found myself crying like 20 minutes later, being like, oh, like I want to hear God's voice. 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.000 And I was like, God, just like let me hear your voice. 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.360 But then I was thinking to myself, like, am I supposed to hear it that way? 00:08:55.519 --> 00:09:05.679 Because we always talk about like hearing God's voice and like listening to like what He's telling you, but I don't really think that I've been like sat down and told, like, so what's the point of a voice then? 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.919 A point of a voice is to carry a message. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:12.639 I think. 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.759 Like I'm I'm doing theology on on the fly here. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.240 So I think that the reason that you have a voice is to communicate something. 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:26.240 It's not just to say words, it's to get something from inside of you to somebody else. 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:32.159 So you can you hear things all the time and you tune a lot of it out because you know it's not for you. 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.480 You hear a siren driving down the road, but you're like, uh actually I'm I'm fine. 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:37.360 I'm sitting right here. 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:39.120 So you're like, oh, that's not for me. 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:56.000 So I think that God one is always speaking, and I think that God has within his communicative repertoire, the ability to speak in all kinds of tongues. 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:56.399 Yeah. 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:10.879 So for example, I think it's in Romans 1, it says that people are without excuse if they say that, like, I don't believe in God or I don't know what God is like, because you all you have to do is look around. 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:23.679 You see a sunrise, you see a springtime rain, you see lightning in the summertime sky, the clap of thunder, you hear it, and it's like, God, there is power in the world. 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:25.360 God, you are powerful. 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:30.639 You you see you see a baby gaze into its mother's eyes. 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:33.360 God, you are tender. 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.039 God is communicating. 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.519 God is speaking in unknown tongues all the time. 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.159 So if we're saying, How do I hear the voice of God? 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:30.720 I would first say maybe let's rephrase the question something like, How can I listen for God in all things? 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:46.320 And if the question behind the question is like, well, I want God to guide me into my next step, then it becomes a matter of like, well, where am I looking for God's guidance? 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:52.399 So then maybe God speaks to me through the elder in my life. 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:57.600 Maybe God speaks to me through a stranger. 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:05.759 So when I think, how do I hear God's voice, I do not think audible, number one. 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:12.000 I think that that's the right thing to think, because that's how we hear. 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:25.679 But Elijah, as we talked about a couple of podcasts ago, Elijah found that God wasn't in the whirlwind and he wasn't in the he wasn't in the big and the loud that God was speaking to Elijah through the sound of sheer silence. 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:34.000 And so what if God is even putting things in what if God is speaking to you beyond your rational faculties entirely? 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:40.080 What if God is putting thoughts into your heart, desires in your belly, right? 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.240 Delighting ourselves in the ways of the Lord, and he'll he will guide us. 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.039 Jesus said, My sheep know my voice, and they won't follow anybody else. 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.519 But I've never once heard the voice of Jesus. 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:52.799 Never once. 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:54.639 Uh he's not here. 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:55.919 He's not here. 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:02.159 Like we have to acknowledge that Jesus is not here, but he is with us through the Holy Spirit. 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:12.720 So if we're listening for the voice of Jesus, then we have to learn to listen in ways that transcend how we listen to other people. 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:14.639 Pastor Nathan, we get on the board there. 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:15.440 We get on the board. 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:15.919 Yes, sir. 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:16.639 All right, cool. 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:17.279 Just checking. 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:20.879 We did an entire entire podcast one time to where we weren't recording. 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.720 So I just want to make sure that that we're good. 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:24.399 Does that does that get in the space? 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:24.960 Yes. 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:31.759 That that is actually the first that I've asked that question and gotten an answer that made sense to me, I think. 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:32.960 Well. 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:34.000 Cool, bro. 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:34.399 Yeah. 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:35.120 Right off. 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:35.360 Yeah. 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:35.840 I love that. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:36.639 That was really good. 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:38.799 I think just to throw in, because great thought. 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.360 Like you asked the question, how do you teach someone? 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:49.519 I I think you as you were sharing, even just two things came to mind, even to just kind of bring it's number one, it's not so much, it's just it's what ways does the Lord speak? 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:51.840 You help people understand that, like you were sharing. 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:52.080 Yeah. 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:58.559 And then the biggest part is what posture are you in to receive what the Lord is saying? 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.519 If you can begin to understand those two things, yeah. 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.679 So, okay, well, how is the Lord speaking? 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.639 What are the different ways that He speaks, like Pastor Tommy was sharing? 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:12.080 And then, okay, am I posturing myself to then hear the Lord? 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:12.399 Yeah. 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.799 And that's that's that is in silence. 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:19.360 We've talked about that even like that Psalm 46, we've talked about that before, like be still. 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:21.679 And then the Lord begins to speak in the silence. 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:29.759 But it's even just like our perspective and our ability to, like you said, to want to see and want to hear the desire to sharing. 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:31.759 Yeah, delight yourself in the ways of the Lord. 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.919 Enjoy, in, enjoy the journey with Jesus. 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.200 He's gonna talk the whole time. 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:40.879 Yeah, he's not gonna talk the way you think, he's gonna be talking the entire the whole thing is God's voice. 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:42.240 I love that. 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:43.039 So good. 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:43.519 I love that. 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:44.080 That's so good. 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:45.759 The thing then becomes Yeah, go ahead. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:47.039 I just I don't know. 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:56.720 I I think even sitting in youth groups, small groups, I've had girls say, like, I've never heard the voice of God before, and it's such a difficult, I've never known how to explain it because I'm like, I'm right there with you. 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:13.360 I mean, you guys are 12 years old and I'm 20 years old, and and I'm like, I don't know how I'm supposed to hear the voice of God because in my mind I was thinking it's like audible, like how and like I mean, we literally were just watching Prince of Egypt and like with the burning bush, like he literally heard the voice of God. 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:26.799 Yeah, but like that's that's kind of how I always thought that it was gonna be to like audibly hear it, but you saying that the voice of like a the point of a voice is to communicate a message across, yeah. 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.840 I mean, God communicates messages to me in all sorts of different ways. 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:31.919 So good. 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:38.240 And yes, and like affirming that in your own life and saying, yeah, like God speaks to me in God. 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:44.720 What if God speaks to you as as as you're as your painting images, right? 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:47.759 So the whole point of communication is to commune. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.759 The whole point of communion is to commune. 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:09.360 And so the the great teachers of the contemplative Christian life, this the deeper spiritual life, they'll just tell you that that prayer is just paying attention to God. 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:15.279 And so then, like, how do I how do I eliminate my distractions? 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:22.080 Even if there's noise, how can I how can I talk to you and that be an act of prayer unto the Lord? 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.039 How can I pay attention to God through your words? 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.679 How can I pay attention to God through my words? 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:32.720 How can God's word come and be in the middle of of this? 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.600 So now I'm just like, God, you're you're everywhere. 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:45.360 You're now the question becomes, how do I discern between the voice of God and the voice of the enemy? 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:46.399 That was my follow-up. 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.159 And the voice of like my own thoughts. 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:54.080 Yeah, like how do I know that that's God speaking or not? 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:59.120 Well, um, as the pastor Brian Zahn says, God is like Jesus. 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.039 God has always been like Jesus. 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.240 There's never been a time when God was not like Jesus. 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.119 We haven't always known that, but now we do. 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:08.400 Jesus is here. 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:10.480 Jesus is what God has to say. 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:16.559 Jesus is the imprint of the invisible, Jesus is the exact representation of his glory. 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:22.319 Somebody says if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:28.240 If it looks like Jesus and sounds like Jesus and feels like Jesus and reminds me of Jesus, it's probably Jesus. 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:29.359 That's good. 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.119 If it doesn't, it's probably not. 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:37.279 So God will never lead us in a direction that is antithetical to his word, that is against his word. 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:39.200 Antithetical? 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:41.039 It's against or opposed to. 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:41.440 Okay. 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:49.440 God will never, if if somebody gives you a quote unquote word from God and it doesn't remind you of Jesus and doesn't sound like God's word, it's probably not God. 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:51.759 So again, what's the whole point? 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.359 The whole point is like, am I drawing closer to Jesus through this? 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.000 Is my desire to follow Jesus through this? 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:04.480 Is my intention to yield myself to the Lordship of Jesus through this? 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:08.400 Then even if it wasn't Jesus, what's the worst that's going to happen? 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:13.119 Is I'm going to love my neighbor and lay down my life. 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:14.960 And okay. 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:16.000 All right. 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:17.599 Swing and miss, man. 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:19.200 As long as you're swinging for Jesus. 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:19.759 Come on. 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:20.640 That's so good. 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:22.000 Simple. 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:22.720 Yeah. 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:25.119 That's really good. 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:29.359 Wait till you get to the part where I ask you all the questions. 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:32.559 Hey, I'm learning as much as I can right now. 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:33.519 I'm getting my reps in. 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:39.039 So you're interning this summer, and I just thought this would be a cool way to wrap up the internship. 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:41.359 Like the hey dad, let's go. 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:43.759 Don't go. 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:44.160 It's easy. 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:44.640 Just stay here. 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:45.359 Super simple. 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:46.880 Because I have to go back to school. 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:48.799 Okay. 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:53.359 So we just talked about hearing God's voice. 00:18:54.160 --> 00:19:07.680 So let's put this in the perspective of hey dad, how can a young adult figure out what to do with their life while trying to obviously listen to the voice of God? 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:08.240 Yeah. 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:16.000 But sometimes that's a little bit difficult whenever you're trying to figure out what you want your life to look like and you know what you feel like. 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:19.519 Is it your experience that a lot of young adults are afraid of making a mistake? 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:20.160 Yes. 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:21.680 Why do you think that is? 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:25.839 Because sometimes it doesn't feel like there's a restart button. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:36.400 Sometimes it's like if you make a mistake, then you've made your bed, you have to lay in it, and then you've forever altered the course of your life, and there's no it just feels very snowballish to me. 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.200 You probably you probably had bad parents. 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:41.440 Nathan, can you do me a favor? 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:42.000 Yes. 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:51.039 Can you ask the Google machine how many different careers and career fields that the average Gen Zer will have? 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.480 Or make up your own gen, gen whatever, or you know what I mean? 00:19:54.799 --> 00:20:11.200 Because that number, it used to be back in the day, uh, in like your grandparents' generation, that uh, and even especially more so in your great grandparents' generation, that you would learn a trade or going to a particular field and you just stay there. 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.279 Like you go to work for General Electric, you stay there your entire life. 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:16.240 But that's changed. 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:16.720 Yes. 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:18.240 You're absolutely right. 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:28.160 It says now that predicted to have five to seven distinct careers and roughly 16 to 18 individual jobs over the course of their working lives. 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.160 So nearly, nearly 20. 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:30.480 Okay. 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:30.720 Yeah. 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:32.960 And then five to seven distinct careers. 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:33.599 Careers. 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:40.720 That's so jobs being maybe things, things in the same career, but the fact that you may have five to seven, whereas it was always one. 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.440 Like you, like the family business, the family trade. 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:44.079 That's right. 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:45.119 It's gonna be one thing. 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.079 And if you change to two, it's like this is a big move. 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.319 And now it's five to seven career fields. 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:52.319 Sixteen to eighteen different jobs. 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:52.960 Different jobs. 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:53.920 That's wild. 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:55.599 So what does that tell you? 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.200 Indecisiveness? 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:57.920 Maybe. 00:20:58.079 --> 00:20:59.599 What else could it tell you? 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.359 I don't know. 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.119 It it's okay to try a lot of stuff. 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:03.680 Come on. 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:09.119 It's okay, it's okay to try a lot of different things. 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:12.799 I do think I do think you need to aim at something. 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:13.279 Yep. 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.200 I think you need, in the words of the clinical psychologist, author, and speaker, Dr. 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:17.680 Jordan B. 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:23.759 Peterson, you need to focus your full attention on one to two things and watch what happens. 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:34.319 So there is a certain um aimlessness, wanderingness that I do see among some young adults and some older adults. 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:39.359 But um, so it's not like we're just gonna float through life and just kind of see what happens. 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:52.240 I do think you need to aim at something, but realize you're you're like whenever I was coming up and and uh I got my first typewriter. 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.039 Do you know how much of a pain in the butt it is to like type something on a typewriter? 00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:59.759 Have you ever actually used a typewriter, like an actual one? 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.759 You found one like an antique store. 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:02.319 Yeah. 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:02.799 Okay. 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:08.720 Well, you type it, you know, and sometimes if you're just a couple of sentences into it and you make a mistake, you just throw the whole thing away. 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:10.160 Or you have to get whiteout. 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:10.880 Okay. 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:13.920 Uh whiteout's a substance that you like paint over. 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:14.319 Sorry. 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:15.680 Am I mansplaining here? 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:16.480 Okay, my bad. 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:21.680 So uh but in in today's day and age, like you can write the whole thing. 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.200 You can write the whole thing. 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:30.640 And then you can go and you can edit, and then you can change some stuff and you can command Z that and it'll change it. 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:38.640 And then whenever you're done with that, you can throw the whole thing into AI and be like, can you just completely rewrite this in the voice of William Faulkner or whatever it is? 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:51.759 Um we live in a we live in a world to where you I think what you do is you aim at something, you go after it, you learn, you update, you change, and then you keep going. 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:57.359 So God will give you lots of opportunities to be conformed into the image of Jesus for the sake of others. 00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:57.599 Yeah. 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:03.359 God's great project for you is for you to be conformed into the image of Christ for the sake of others. 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.960 The fear is that you're going to somehow make a wrong move. 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:10.799 The great grace and all of that is, and God's not limited by that. 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:11.279 Come on. 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.279 So we just we move, we move. 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:14.160