EP3 - Roswell, Tom Brady & the Origin of the Paperclip.

EP3 - Roswell, Tom Brady & the Origin of the Paperclip.

Tom and Ed are back for episode three of Marvellous Throw-In, the football podcast that starts with Scotland, swerves into sibling trauma, and somehow ends up with UFO disclosure, Harry Kane curses, Cristiano Ronaldo, England’s World Cup chances and a man called Woltemade becoming a pole vaulter.

00:00 Intro attempt, Scotland and alien invasion day
01:31 Welcome to episode three
02:59 Tom’s recovery update, gym routine and handyman era
03:43 Tom’s uneven haircut and shaved-head penance
04:22 Gym streak, six-pack promises and recovery chat
05:32 Ed tries to properly start the podcast
07:30 Apple Podcast chart glory and asking people to subscribe
08:13 Lloyd Griffith’s old podcast intro returns
09:13 Ridgeway Rovers correction
09:35 Harry Kane’s Ghanaian witch doctor curse
10:24 Jed Spence, Thomas Partey and uncomfortable football discourse
11:00 Almiron’s red card and Jude Bellingham covering his mouth
11:22 Anthony Gordon, Barcelona rumours and BBC gossip addiction
12:22 Tom’s cow’s lick and rat tail update
12:40 Tom’s half-time team talk as England manager
13:19 Thomas Tuchel references and the pink jumper dispute
14:10 Scotland vs Brazil and Vô Baiana’s UFO prediction
15:06 Tom Brady calls it the best World Cup ever
15:57 Cristiano Ronaldo scores at his sixth World Cup
16:41 Saudi Pro League vs MLS argument
17:12 England World Cup songs and AI ruining creativity
19:06 Which football manager should run Tom’s recovery?
20:01 Would Tom read his unread messages to become England manager?
21:20 Footballers and their non-football jobs
22:19 Peter Crouch, Joe Giles and the final Conspiracy Corner
23:42 Tom announces his UFO podcast
24:12 Why are aliens “only” seen in America?
25:37 The Calvine UFO photograph
26:15 Disclosure Day, Spielberg and slow-drip disclosure
27:50 The Varginha UFO case in Brazil
29:31 Alien technology and advanced paper clips
30:17 Could Tom convince people in 1582 he was from the future?
31:30 Ed vs Tom challenge idea
32:41 Tom’s school days and private school rejection
33:46 Tom’s riddle and chaotic outro
34:19 Final goodbye from Tom
35:00 Post-episode reflection

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:13

Hello there and welcome to the third episode of the Marvellous Throw In Podcast. It's delightful to have you with us. My name's Thomas Gray, and I'm here with my lesser uh the lesser version of me, Edward Gray, who uh in fact I actually remember being born the very moment of his birth is lodged in my not the birth not the actual birth. You remember yes, I was gonna say But I do remember walking into the room um you're two years and eleven months older than me. Three years and a bit.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

That would have been quite shocking for you to be at the actual birth.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

I remember I walked in and I remember an instant feeling of jealousy because I was getting no attention. And I remember mummy eating a thing of cold chips, and I actually asked her recently about and she's like, how on earth do you remember that? And I can see in her eye. Well, I can see in her eyes, she was like, that is a talented memory that you've got there, particularly now you're off all the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

You've been sec second to me your whole life. You used to wipe my bum. Literally, I used to get on all fours and stick my bum in the air, and you used to have to you no, you uh this is what I'd hear.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Thomas. I'd be like, Mum, please, please, any other job. Thomas, just go because she had three other little ones that she was dealing with the whole time, and I'd have to I'd have to sort of again and I'd walk in and you'd be legs spread, bent over, looking at me, grinning upside down through the legs, and there's just this blinking you know what at me and it was it was uh toilet rolls and wrap it around that arts as thick, and then just what you didn't know though is I only did it once, I didn't do it properly. So I left you with a dirty bottom. Anyway, welcome to the third episode. Um I just thought I'd start with a little update update about how I'm doing. I'm doing very well, thank you. Um I'll fill you in on what my day looks like at the moment. Um I get up and I have a lion's mane gummy, I then have a multivitamin, I then have um some creatine, I then have two eggs, porridge, and a kiwi fruit. I then come here and we're building sets at the moment. I'm sort of doing uh a number of jobs.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Sort of a handyman.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

I'm sort of a handyman, it's quite I quite like it actually. Um you just need some keys when you get your big set of keys. Big set of keys, yeah. I was I was doing some scraping on the walls today because there's some big uh big chunks of glue, because this place used to be a hairdresser's and there are these big mirrors and they they've they'd put them on with this kind of cement. It turns out, uh as I experienced today, it it it's I would describe it more as cement than glue.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Talking about hairdressers, if you're watching on YouTube, you'll notice Tom's hair is uh uneven uneven at best. Yeah, actually it's a good point. Well, first of all, you really are going full sort of uh meltdown and you shaved your head.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

Well, yeah, it's an act of penance. I actually when I wake up in the morning I forgot to miss out. What I do is I put um ash and sackcloth. I don't know what sackcloth is, but ash on my head and just um and beat my chest like you know, the guy in the Bible that uh uh is the one that Jesus is like, he's alright. Um you're the one who's like, oh Lord, please, oh I give so much and I do all of this stuff, but why me? And he's like, Are you all going to hell? Anyway, um so it starts like that, and then I do um do you want to this is why typically I do the intros for the podcast, which is nothing of note yet. But carry on. Uh I then um I then uh watch a little video on how to um get buff because that's the goal at the minute. By the way, when this podcast ends, I'm gonna reveal my body um and I'm gonna have a six pack. I bet you a thousand English pounds. You still don't have access to the money, but I will soon. Um and um if you if you're interested, because I when I go to the gym I go to the gym every single day, I've gone every single day for 16 days in a row, right? So your recovery is going well.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

We're not just like shoving the mic in front of someone.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

Look how bright my eyes are. Look at the whites. Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Yeah, do you think that's it?

SPEAKER_03 3:34

Do you remember how blood's blood? It used to be very murky, actually. Very murky, yeah. Yeah, um, but yeah, I shave I shaved my head and I know I don't look good, but what I do think I look good is when it grows about two inches, I think it looks quite good then. Um and so our sister's getting married in two months, so I'm timing it for that because uh because in case she's got friends that you know. Uh although she's quite young, she's a quite a lot younger than us. But we're all that no, she's 30. She's 31, that's fine, isn't it? I'm 39, is that what? 39, thank you. Um and I look, as I say, about uh a healthy 25, so they won't I don't have to bring that up until they're emotionally attached to me, and then I could admit that I'm quite an old man. Anyway, um I'm assuming we've got a good episode planned for today, have we?

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Uh well yes, as I said, uh welcome to episode uh three of the Marvelous Thorin podcast. That's what you get when Tom intros it just a sort of uh it's just you just speak, and as the thoughts come into your brain, it just verbal sort of diarrhea.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Well, given my diet at the moment, I wish you didn't let me finish. Lots of chicken, lots of rice, lots of vegetables, lots of chicken, lots of rice, lots of vegetables, add infinitum. And um And didn't you tell me you were putting on weight? Uh I've put on oh no, I've lost five point six kilograms of fat. Oh. And I've put on three kilograms of muscle.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

On YouTube, uh, if you're watching or if you're listening on audio, it's rock hot. Tom is um flexing.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Yeah, and then I lather myself in olive oil because obviously I've got I had an awful eczema problem related to stress and and uh just I suppose alcohol. I think I'm actually allergic to alcohol, I've discovered. Um so my skin's great, I'm looking good, the sun's out, um, so it'll only take me about six months to get a tan, uh, because I don't tan very well. And um no, do you know what? I won't speed this up actually. We haven't got much content planned, so I'm just gonna waffle for a bit. People enjoy the waffling part more than they do. Okay, so there were nine players who um have only got a left foot, but they also uh people aren't as interested in that. You have to do this stuff first and then that stuff. All you want to do is like, hey guys, um, will you sign up to our patron and will you um click this and we're gonna do this? And can you share it? They will respond naturally to the quality of the conversation. That's what I'm worried about. Also, I'd just like to say this opportunity. Have you guys noticed that I've improved? That you've what? Improved. Improved what?

SPEAKER_02 5:42

Just everything, mood, effort, um moods are getting better, still a bit of trouble in the mornings, I'd say.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Well, that's because of the nightmares, and I'm not even joking. I the only thing that's uh still with me is a little bit of anxiety, but terrifying nightmares every evening. But I've managed to, I'm not even joking. Uh, but what I have managed to do is take it out on us. That's what he's managed to do. Yeah, but I'm getting better. And um in the dreams, it's a repetitive I'm not gonna, but um, I now face it down like I know that you this is a dream, and it's not a monster, it's uh it's my past. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Right, okay, good. Um well look, welcome to the 63rd best um sports podcast in the UK according to the Apple Podcast charts. Um, welcome, thank you very much for watching. Please do like and subscribe. You know, I am gonna remind you to do that. Tom, if Tom had his way, we wouldn't promote this at all. We just do a podcast and tell no one and hope it organically was found by someone who was gonna share it. That's what happened with me with my stuff.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

But that's also the reason why it didn't progress.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

It never did anything, right? Anyway, uh, thank you very much for the first time.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

I wasn't three I wasn't three sitcoms in a lead lead-ish role, but go on, please.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Yeah, and what happened to them? Are they you still win that?

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Cancelled after one season, quite rightly.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Well, um do you know we we we had a previous version of this podcast, but you don't need to know about that, but we had uh a previous intro, the same music, but we had Lloyd Griffith of Soccer AM Fame and of uh Ted Lasso and of stand-up comedy.

SPEAKER_03 7:03

I've never I've never heard of him.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Uh okay, well he did this intro in the old version, and we're wondering whether to add it back in, but I'm gonna play it for you now. He because he's a singer, he was a choir boy, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:11

Yeah, he was Oh no, sorry, I've never heard of him.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

Oh there you go. Kick it. So I think we should maybe add that back in. Um I mean, I think he did sign away all rights to that, so I'm sure five live at the minute. Uh I know he's traveling America doing World Cup stuff. I thought you said you didn't know him. Hi, Lloyd. Oh, yeah. Hi Lloyd. Uh please come back on the podcast and sing live for us in the studio. We've got a studio now, we've got proper mics and everything. Um let's actually talk about uh football. First of all, point of order. Dan got in touch with one of our listeners. Oh yeah. Just to say that the club that Harry Kane and David Beckham uh played for was called Ridgeway Rovers, not Wombledon, Wimbledon or whatever we said. Um Leighton Stone Wanderers. Something like that, yeah. So just just just Ridgeway Ridgeway Rovers, which I thought was like from what was that cartoon like uh Roy of the Rovers.

SPEAKER_03 8:13

Roy of the Rovers. It wasn't a cartoon, it was a it was a comic.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

But because a cartoon.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

True, true. Um just on the topic of Harry Kane, if you don't mind. I I'm sure everyone um uh had a wonderful evening last night watching the absolute classic England nil, Ghana nil. Um I don't know if anyone's aware of this, but there was a curse put on Harry Kane by a Ghanaian witch doctor. There was. Um I've just I told the witch doctor, I told him what to say. I'll think of a song. Anyway, um I thought I I actually researched what the curse was, and I'd like to do it for you now if that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Oh, brilliant. Yeah, I mean, yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Oh, smash it over the button last minute.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

Yeah, because he smashed it over the button.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Well, fortunately, do not worry, uh, the witch doctor has tweeted today to say he has removed the curse. So that would be a bit annoying if he if he forgot to do that. Jed Spence didn't shake hands with Thomas Partey. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_03 9:06

We I did. Uh good for I mean, I don't I mean good for him, but uh I don't care. I mean, I I'd rather him go to prison for life than um Did he actually do it? Is it is he I don't know Oh I don't know. I mean it's only no sort of 15 different women or something, isn't it? That are accusing him of.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

I'm not questioning that. I just don't know. Is he why is he not in prison then? Well you're guilty. Why is he not in prison?

SPEAKER_03 9:25

You are innocent until proven guilty. Has he been proven guilty? But that means innocent in the sense of you know, we're not gonna ultimately punish you, but that doesn't mean we'll just be like, oh Thomas Love, please come in. No, no, you're innocent until proven guilty. It's like I'm not gonna, fine, you're allowed to live your life, but you're not welcome in my home. That's the sort of way that you should think about that.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Very good. Um Mickey Almiron for Paraguay got sent off for covering his mouth. Do you see Ched Jude Bellingham covered his mouth and didn't get sent off?

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Good. But did Jude Bellingham probably did it? Are you talking about uh was that during the game or was it when he leaves? Uh right.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

And it was absolutely the most boring game ever, by the way. Anthony Gordon was how has he got a move to Barcelona? Absolutely. I know. How much how how much did he say he's on in Barcelona? 300,000? 300,000 a week. Why didn't they buy Rashford?

SPEAKER_03 10:09

Uh well but there's a lot of things. Why are we buying Rashford? Well, uh there's a rumour that uh they they still are going to. And then but also Tottenham for a minute at the minute. I mean, this is just this is like BBC's this is like 303 on teletext. Like I just it's n it means nothing. Um but uh but it's fun to fun to do. I think I've checked BBC gossip every single day of the sort of transfer window for the last ten years.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Do you do you if you're there at 1158 looking at it, do you wait till 1201 so it updates?

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Refresh, refresh, refresh. And then never.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

But you have always liked being lied to. You just want a good lie. I don't like being lied to. You do. You always you like gossip. You know, um gossip. Newcastle. There's a slight chance we're gonna sign, you know, I don't know, d Jude Bellingham or something. You would just be all over that. Well, I mean, would you not? You just like to believe half truths. And we'll come on to that later. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

Also, can I just say, um, since I cut my hair, I've realised I've got a cow's lick. Do you know what that is? Yes. Yeah. And also it's quite uneven. Is my hair. It was like this, but then went so. You've also got a little rat rat tail rat tail at the back. I've got a rat tail and it's sort of boofed up here. So I need to go over it one more time, but I don't want to be short again because you can see my head, and also I've got a sort of egg head.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

But it does it adds to the sort of breakdown effect, and maybe we might get some more sympathy and more comments and more followers because of that. Yep. Um, which is why you're doing it. Picture of the scene, Tom, you're you're England manager. It's Germany, we're playing Germany. It's a semi-final, it's half time, we all nil down. Uh you know you lose the job if you don't get to the final. What do you what do you say at half time to to turn it around?

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Uh I'd probably say something like Hey guys, look. If we're gonna lose, we're gonna lose. But I want us to lose playing our way.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

What's that, Gaffer? You never told us.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

Yeah. What?

SPEAKER_01 11:59

What's our way?

SPEAKER_03 12:01

You don't get the reference. That's a Tom that's what Thomas Tuchel said at half time during the first game. That's why we came out so well against um Croatia. You've let me down on a number of things actually in terms of knowledge, because you make out that you're really, really knowledgeable. I know way more about football than you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

No, you know about football, you know about FPL, you know about research exactly what Thomas Tuchel said at half time.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

Everyone in the nation knew about it, I think. Anyway, go on. Um what do you think about my pink jumper? Edward bought one, and so I bought one, and Edward came in in a pink jumper, but I was wearing a pink jumper, and he refused to wear it. Oh, well, it was a case of who'd back down first, and he backed down and put that on.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Um He promised me when we he copied me and ordered the pink jumper, but I said, fine, but do not wear it on the podcast because I'm gonna wear it on the podcast, and then I turn up today and it's the only jumper he has with him.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Also, I didn't order it, you ordered it for me because once again, I don't have any money. Scotland Brazil is tonight. It is.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

This is where the UFO is supposed to land. She, uh vo Bayana, 24 million people, followers. She she retweeted our your your comments about her. She did, yeah, and she follows me. Does she follow the podcast? I think so, yeah. But but also I have been on her account and realised she's retweeting anything that says her name and I think like trying to capitalise on this moment as much as possible because she's So will I be able to write to her?

SPEAKER_03 13:15

So when I get when I because it's uh very soon I'm gonna be back on all that stuff. Can I write to her and maybe we could get her to come on and do a prediction? Yeah, for something else.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Although she's she's putting out things like with her WhatsApp number saying she wants media appearances and like fees and stuff, so I think that's we can pay.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Well, uh You can pay, can you? Yeah, well what sort of fee would she probably be asking for? We could probably pay 20k 20k. We may need to start a Patreon for that, but you don't want to do that, so there you go. No, I do want to do that, I just don't want to do that immediately. I don't want to just go down people's throats and be like, give us money. I want to offer some quality and then give us lots of money.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Right. Tom Brady said, uh tweeted that this is the best World Cup ever. He's already said that. What do you think what do you make of that? Uh given we're about 20% through it.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

First of all, I don't imagine Tom Brady has sat and studied every World Cup and then come to the conclusion that this is the best one. Secondly, it's an America, so he's going to say that. Thirdly, I think it is it's like it's like Qatar, everyone's like, oh, it's gonna be rubbish and it was really good. It's fine. Lots of goals have been scored, the heat doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. Um the heart the breaks are annoying, but I think we've we've overhyped that because when the breaks happen for us, it doesn't go to adverts. I think we should be proud that we have that hasn't happened on ITV uh uh and obviously the BBC, but it's just an opportunity for two goals to talk to the players, and also we've started the game so boring, we've needed that little hydration break for the tactical, you know, chat. Um, but also mainly I just don't care. It's not that big a deal, it's not going to affect football long term, it's just this tournament, so blah.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Christian Ronaldo scored two goals the other day. Forty one years old. Yeah. 41 years young.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Old.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

First player ever to score in six World Cups.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Yeah. He's got a bit of a Michael Jackson look about him, do you think? He looks like he's had work done on his face. I wouldn't be surprised if he's had work done on his face. Although I mean he is naturally sort of I don't think he has. He's just yeah, I just and and you I mean you love him, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 15:01

You Well, I don't know him personally, and he has some some sort of accusations against his name as well, so I don't want to go there. But I do love his career, yeah. I think it's I think the fact he's done it in multiple leagues, he um started at uh Sporting Lisbon, went to obviously Man United, went to Real Madrid, then went to Juventus, did it there, then went to Man back to Man United, and by the way, did it there again, scored 24 goals in a season for them, then went to Saudi, which is a better league than MLS, by the way. Do you see Al Halal in the World Club Cup beating everyone? Not everyone.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Yeah, I I mean I was looking forward to that for a week. I I logged it in my diary, I set an alarm. I was so excited for watching the Saudi Pro League, whatever the flip you're talking about. No, I didn't. Did you watch the MLS? I feel a bit uh tense and edgy today, sorry. That's alright. Um I don't know what I'm I think it's the dreams. It's still the dreams.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

You said by about midday each day that they kind of ease away. It's 5 42.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

I know it's because I brought it up and talked about it just now, I've remembered.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Not in my head, but here. Um I found the song that you were talking about. Yeah. Um the um uh the World Cup, England World Cup song. There's been loads, uh when you scroll Instagram and stuff, there's loads of people attempting to do catchy World Cup songs. I'm surprised you haven't tried one, Tom. But um if I can get it up, which I'm going to right now, here is the the song you were talking about. It's coming up, it's heading up, we're Englishmen in the door. We've got our beginning.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

It's fine, but I'm quite sure. Like, do you know how you do you know how you come up with that these days? How as someone that's just I mean, I don't know who they are. You go to this website called ChatGPT and you just say uh ChatGPT and you just it's uh yeah, I just it's it has ruined stuff ChatGPT now because I just think everyone's I mean I'm not gonna let's be honest, that SpaceX advert I did the other day, that was inspired by a ChatGBT search and then we obviously changed it. And it wasn't that funny, no one's mentioned it or talked about it as far as you've let me know. That's an invitation for you to tell me that they have, have they? No. No, nor the Leicester song, which uh that was pre that was pre-Chat GPT, so that was actually that was very And I spent we spent about f we spent about two hours coming up with all those images to make that little video and no one cares.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Uh true.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

Uh George spent spent the time doing that.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Yeah, but I just told him which ones to do.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

He didn't know who Joa was, particularly when it's spelled U L L. Anyway, go on.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Um I mean the interesting thing about that they're singing their Englishman in New York um at a pub with a sign outside Have you tried our delicious homemade pies? Which so they're definitely not in New York in this video. Sunny Green UK, but anyway.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

Um Well, they're not going to have flown out to New York just to make it. I thought that's the point.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

I thought they were English fans in New York. We're England.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Yeah, but the yeah, but yeah, alright.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Alright. Um Tom, you talked about your recovery. Yep. You said it's going well. Yep. If you could choose one football manager to be the manager of your recovery, who would you choose some way? Do you need are you sort of needs an arm around the shoulder? Do you need a Roy Clean disciplinarian?

SPEAKER_03 18:05

I need at the beginning an arm around the shoulder. So it's probably I think Graham Potter is probably quite good for that. Harry Rednapp? Bobby Robson or Bobby Robson or someone like that. And then as it goes on, it um a little bit more of a capello. Just a kind of cold, you know, this is your job, get on with it. Um you know what you're supposed to be doing. I I will just I I'll look at you incredibly disappointed if if I see you mess up or say that kind of thing. Okay. But yeah, again, uh you know, I hadn't heard these questions before, so I haven't really come up with a uh satisfying answer. Probably Sam Allardyce if it goes wrong, just go for it. If it goes wrong, just save it last minute. Yeah, just go no, just go just get smashed with Sam Allardyce, that'll be fine. Pint of wine.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Yeah. Um would you would you do this? This is my last thing on your recovery. That's alright. We're okay to talk about this. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Would you live on air read all of your unread messages? Absolutely not. If you did it, you got to be England manager for the rest of the World Cup. Absolutely, yes. Uh okay, football.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

By the way, there's nothing about it just to explain this, because um I thought that this was I'd never heard of this sort of problem before, and I thought it was just a weird thing that I had. Um you have shown me and read to me some of those comments, and it and it seems like lots of people identify with it. It's not that there's anything scary there. The best analogy is it's the monster under the bed that as soon as you face it, it shrinks down to a little bit. It's actually in the Old Testament. It's the it's the snake in the sand that Moses puts in. Um, and all the people have to do is look at it and then they're cured of I think are the snakes biting at their heels, you know about the Bible, is that right?

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Uh yeah, something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

Yeah. It's that sort of thing. So I'm not there's nothing, it's not like, you know, I don't know, it's just it's uh yeah. Anyway, probably not put this bit in.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

Um footballers if I'm gonna give you some some names of footballers. Yep. And you gotta tell me what uh their job would be if they weren't footballers, what you think their job would be.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Erling Haaland.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

I think he would work in a bar in Ibiza.

unknown 20:16

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

I've just put Alien.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

Uh Grealish. I think he would work in a bar in Ibiza.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Yeah, I've put a nightclub rep.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Craig Bellamy. I think he would work in a bar in Ibiza.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

But in recruitment. Roy Keane.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

I think he would run the bar in Ibiza.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Yeah, okay. Nick Voltemarder. I've just put circus.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

Uh what would he be? No, he'd be a um he'd be a giraffe feeder. No, come on, tell me better than that. That's so lame. What would Nick Voltemarder be? He'd uh He'd be a um a pole vaulter. Yeah. Volta the pole vaulter. Volta pole t Voltermarder. Are you a pole vaulter? No, I'm a German, but how did you know my name? That's good! Say that again. Um Are you a pole vaulter? No, I'm German, but how did you know my name?

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Anyway, uh very good. Um Peter Crouch famously said if he wasn't a footballer, he'd be a virgin. So uh that's that's one. Joe Giles A163 on YouTube. This is the last time we're gonna do any conspiracy stuff, actually.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

Oh yes. Uh well I'll could you mind if I please So um can't lie, I've had my uh interest piqued by re-engaging with the topic. Um I got very put off the UFO stuff because it was just it was I don't know, I'm gonna say names here, you might not know them, but um Ross Coulthard, Jeremy Corbell. It was just if you knew what I knew. I I I can't yeah, I I I can't give away my sources, but that and and just these outrageous claims, then nothing was happening, and then it's been you know, probably uh what's happened is that the whole um the whole topic has been flooded with propaganda in order to um the best way to to convince people that the that it it's a lie is is to sort of semi tell the truth and then distort it. So you've got like crit you've got critical. Bledstone, all these people that say that they're angels and they can communicate with them and they can summon them, summon them, and all this sort of thing. So I got quite put off. Um I'm now re-engaged, and so I am starting uh No Visible Means of Propulsion, um, a brand new podcast uh about aliens and UFOs and all sorts of funny things. Um spent the day setting up the uh set in our studio and um that will be launching in about a week. Just you just me. Well, just me doing it, but obviously you guys you know sort of cheering me on.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Nice. Uh Joe Giles8163 says, just as a final conspiracy corner for us, yeah. Um and also, I mean Brazil, Scotland, that still falls under football, right? You know, the alien invasion at a football game. Right, okay. Uh I know it's a football podcast, says Joe Giles. But can Tom please explain explain why aliens are only ever sighted in the US and appear to American people? What's his name? Joe Giles. Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

Uh, where do I start? Okay, so the first reported case of uh that we know about um uh is from 1936. It was the magenta craft found in Italy by Mussolini. Um the story goes. Reliable fella recovered recovered by the Vatican who then in the Americans Reliable Nation who took it over. Um shh. Uh the magenta craft, it was a craft, um, it crashed in a field. Um one of the main reasons why America is is so uh does sort of I suppose stand out um as a uh area of interest for the aliens um is is the nuclear um power plants. They're interested in our nuclear capabilities now um uh this is the case in Russia, China, um all sorts of countries have opened up their UFO files. Um Brazil have been very open about their cases. Um I think you'll find, Judge Isles, that uh uh it is not just in America, it's just far more in the uh sort of yeah, it's uh more present in the media, the American tales, and more interest and more Yeah, it's basically you're speaking nonsense. Um research Rendlesham um in Woodbridge, Suffolk. Um research uh the um uh that place in Scotland where the famous picture was taken. Uh no, type in Scotland UFO. Bring it up, George.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

His first time listening.

SPEAKER_03 24:25

We have a producer called George, who's up. Calvin UFO. Yeah, the Calvin UFO looked out. That's not a real picture. It is a real picture. Nick Pope, not the goalkeeper, but the researcher said that the Ministry of Defence had that on their wall.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

If you what am I looking at there?

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Fighter jet and then a flying craft. You've got to remember, if these are anti-gravity machines, it doesn't make it.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

So what year is that? What year is that meant to be?

SPEAKER_03 24:46

That was 1990, taken by two um uh uh why does no one else get pictures of this?

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Why are they always grainy, small pictures?

SPEAKER_03 24:52

Well, there is a theory that the uh gravitational field around the UFO um distorts the image deliberately.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Right. I really, really hope for this podcast and for your one that disclosure what's it called? This the disclosure day. Yeah. Which is when the day sort of uh really, really want to happen.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

There will not be a day. The whole point of disclosure, it's slow drip disclosure. So, first of all, at the moment we're getting files from the US government every sort of other week of these quite lame images, but they're getting slightly better and slightly better, slightly better. Um strange that all this is happening when Steven Spielberg's film Disclosure Day comes out at the same time, who, by the way, has made some sort of deal if you watch Jesse Michaels, which you should, the best podcast on the subject, um uh has uh what was the saying?

SPEAKER_02 25:41

I just don't I have no idea. Yeah, I got put off by the uh you you would you were saying that um the the the the uh it's strange that it's come out of this time.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

They're normalizing it, normalizing, normalizing so when it's finally like, oh by the way, here's a picture of an alien, it'll be like yeah. Right. That's how you do it. You don't just go, it's right, it's lies, it's lies, it's lies, and then boom, what's this? Yeah, because no one will be yeah, it's a it's it's a it's a slow process. So it's gonna be disclosure decade. That's how I would suggest um that's what I would say is is happening right now.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Um I'm just reading some of the evidence on this Calvin UFO thing. Please do Google it, and uh it says thorough photographic analysis found no evidence of staging, forgery, or optical illusions.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

I yeah, I didn't feel like I I thought you would just trust me when I said it was authentic. No. Fine. No.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

So so because let's just stick on this, just just for a little bit, because this is funny.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

The Virginia case in Brazil, that's another one that's worth looking at, where two school girls, two little girls um discovered a uh red demonic looking being with big eyes and two young girls. Stinking of sulphur, two young girls, which is interesting given the association two young girls and we two young girls, not only two young girls, no cameras, no adults. The police came. Oh my temperature's rising. The police came, don't belittle this. The police came um and uh they captured the being. The being scratched one of the policemen, okay, took the hospital. That guy died two days later. This is it's it's fact, it's records. Um, and then um uh just do the Virginia um Virginia UFO James, oh, what's his name? Uh Virginia UFO uh Brazilian yeah, James. No, it's already there, hang on, it was already there James James Fox. Right um uh he calls it the Roswell of Brazil.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

I'm glad that the conspiracy corner is ending on our podcast. That's what I'm just gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Well, so am I um because I'm gonna I'm gonna extend it over in that corner over there. Um uh James Fox said that um uh it spoke, made a documentary and spoke to the whole town, the whole village. Um uh they saw the crash, it was this object that you know uh was just smoking and then landed. And then similar to the um uh Roswell case, um the the kind of you know, all the scrap damage and stuff and metal, but apparently you could pick it up, scrunch the metal in your hand, open your hand, and then it would go back to its original shape. There's a theory that that metal, you know, you can get like paper clips that go back, you just do that and it goes back to its shape. That technology was developed um um after research into the uh Roswell crash.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

So the as as well as fiber optics. So the alien technology. Yeah, we utilize this incredible advanced technology from another civilization to do paper clips. To do better paper clips. That's as good as we can do.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

That's that's that shows the disparity between that that's the difference between them and us in terms of um technological development development and intelligence. So we've looked at that and been like, right, what could we do? Because it's a bit like you know, if you if you threw a Harley Davidson into night 1532, right? They would at some point, and a pair of keys on the floor, at some point they'd be able to work out and like, oh yeah, we can work it. Yeah, they don't know what they don't understand petrol, they don't understand the material of the plastics, they don't understand how it's working, so they don't know how they're doing this, but they're doing it. So they'd be able to maybe come up with something but if if if the world everything vanished and it was just you left and I gave you a computer, could you rebuild it?

SPEAKER_02 29:04

What? No? Could I rebuild the world with a computer? What? No, if I so you said, right, take a Harley Davis and give it to someone in 12, 15, 82, they'd be able to redo it. Yeah. Would you be able to if you I couldn't even Okay, hang on, hang on. Yeah, okay, here's the question. This is this is where I'm getting to. If you were dropped into 1582 and you had to convince people you were from the future, yeah, how would how would you do it?

SPEAKER_03 29:28

Um You couldn't, could you? Yeah, the problem is, do you know what? I actually wrote this as a stand up bit, but uh Nate Bargatski, the American comic, has a bit about that. Well, my joke was like, Oh, Your Honor, uh uh my lord, I I present to you the iPhone. And it's a device that you're like, Whoa, I mate, well, keep he keep him. Make us more of these. How does it work? And uh, you'd have no idea. Um that's the that's the problem with modern society. We're so unconnected with um how to the things we use, create the things we use, yeah. Um I'd have a football chart though. You're not singing Thomas More! You're not singing Thomas More, because he had his head cut off probably about 30, 40 years before that.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

So slightly out-of-date song then.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

Very very good though. Yeah, yeah, thanks. Just you you like throwing in little Easter eggs that you did a history degree and you like history and you're very clever. You do like show it saying that, don't you?

SPEAKER_03 30:21

So was that what was that last bit you said?

SPEAKER_02 30:23

I'm saying you like to suggest things like your very clever. No, no, no. The last sentence of it's like things like your very clever clever. Should we do a live, should we live do an IQ test, both of us?

SPEAKER_03 30:33

No, no, because I've done it before and it's really low. It's it's shockingly average. Um, I'm just a I'm a collector of facts. I think that's I'm slightly autistic with that. I think we should. I'm interested. I'm interested.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

As we as we start to sort of uh, you know, to today's podcast has been a bit bitty, but as we start to sort of, you know, we're still working this out, we're getting these sections. I think one of them should be you versus me, and it's different every week. It could be football, it could be an IQ test, it could be sport, physical.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

Okay, it could be the first three weeks though, it's gonna be history, English literature, all right, art history, theology. Uh you're quite good at that as well.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

So Philosophy. Uh I know I'm gonna win because you said the first three weeks and then you did four weeks, so Well, I didn't say maths, did I? Yeah, uh George, yeah, you said after that will be The Life and Times of Alan Shearer, um, IQ, maths, general charisma and like authority.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

You got the thing is we went to a school where I went to the local state school and I did so poorly. Uh I got the same Sats assaults in year nine that I got in year six that dad suddenly realised what was going on because he was dealing with all the little ones and just panic, you know, stressed with that, and then realised his older son's do just I mean, I used to come back feeling like my brain was rotten. I was an aider and a better. I never did the bad thing. I was like, go and do the bad thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

You hung out with a bunch of scallies who like nicked Mercedes things or badges of cancer.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

Yeah, yeah, well we were we live by a councilist, not to disparage cancer states, but you know, they produce certain characters and uh I love them and um I just go around my bite with them, just causing havoc. Anyway, my point being, um we were then dad tried to get us to go to Ipswich High School, which is the private school in in Ipswich. Um it's actually set up by strangely enough, Henry VIII and Thomas More, I think. That's a good little round circled thing. Um anyway, uh and um uh you got in and I didn't uh because I wasn't smart enough. So I am where I'm well aware that you're more that, but I'm more interesting and cooler. Anyway, let's move on to the next section.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Uh there is no next section. There's no next section, is that it? No. You you were in charge of the last section, so what do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Here's a riddle for you.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

If a man are you making of the riddle as you speak?

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Looks at a looks at a a portrait and he's with his he's with his mate and he says, Brothers and sisters have I none. That man's father is my father's son.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Who is it? I always forget. Stephen Gerard. Thanks for listening to the Visible Means of Propulsion. No. Thanks for listening to the Marvellous Throne podcast. Uh it's been a whale of a time for me. Um I'm gonna go to bed in about half an hour now because uh that's what I do. I go to bed really early. Um I I pray relentlessly that I don't suffer nightmares, and uh those prayers are never answered. Um then strip naked at the moment because it's so hot, and I lather myself in olive oil to avoid the eczema issues, and then um I gag my mouth as sock uh to stop the screaming because my bedroom is next to Mum and Dad's at the minute. It's not my bedroom, it's uh it's a mattress on the floor in the study. Anyway, um see you next week.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

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SPEAKER_03 34:00

What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 34:01

What are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 34:04

What you fat cat? What is fat cat? I'm scrapping the mirror cement for all I told you.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Can you start again?