"Success without fulfillment is just a comfortable trap." | Tracy Irwin | Legacy Talks Ep. 08

She built an accountancy firm from nothing.

She had the house. The car. The fancy holidays. The team. The reputation.
 
And then she sat at the top of it all and realised she was completely miserable.
 
What she did next, most people only think about.
 
Tracy Irwin packed two suitcases, got divorced, and moved to Spain.
 
In this episode of Legacy Talks, Tracy and I talk about:
 
The little girl who watched her mum skip meals so her children could eat, and how that shaped every financial decision Tracy made for the next 30 years
What it truly costs to build a successful business when no one is watching
Why she spent years working longer hours instead of going home, and what that tells us about how we use "busy" to avoid ourselves
The moment her granddad's death became a wake-up call she couldn't ignore

What she left behind when she moved to Spain that nobody talks about, the loneliness, the culture shock, the feeling of not belonging anywhere
Her money mindset journey, and why being an accountant didn't protect her from spending everything she earned
What "success without fulfilment" really means when you're living it from the inside

The one question every business owner needs to ask before chasing the next milestone
 
If you've ever built something real and quietly wondered is this really it? This conversation is for you.
 
Connect with Tracy:
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LinkedIn: Tracyalaineirwin
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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Ladies and gents, my guest today watched her mother skip meals as a child. She became a mother herself at nineteen, build a business from nothing, build it into something most people would envy. And then she sat at the top of it all quietly and realized she was miserable. What she did next most people only think about. She packed two suitcases, got divorced and moved to Spain. Tracy Irwin, welcome to Legacy Talks. I've been looking forward to this conversation. Thank you for having me. I've been looking forward to this conversation too. Good. I'm really, really happy. I never warned my guests about any of the questions, so here we go. If your daughter had to describe you to a stranger, not your job, you as a person, what would she say?

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Well, that's a really interesting question. I think my my daughter would describe me as driven from a professional point of view, but actually behind closed doors, she would describe me as like a loving and giving person. We're still really close friends, like we're in different countries, but um we speak all the time. And I think that she comes to me first before she goes to anybody else. It's kind of, I think the whole she calls me intelligent, but I don't think she actually means intelligent. I think what she means is worldly. So she still she likes to take advice from me.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

That's good. That's really good because it's a big, big asset to have a mum that has wisdom. Is that who you always were, or someone you had to become? Really? No.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I kind of I mean, I feel I'm a different person to I was two years ago, never mind 10, 20 years ago. I'm continuously learning and I've become much more self-aware. And I think that's an age thing. I think quite often we grow into ourselves into like we're different people. I mean, I started my business when I was when she was eight and I was a single parent. So, you know, see a great deal of me. I relied heavily on my mum um to look after her at the times where I was trying to grow the business. I was trying, I was growing the business, and we've had the conversation. Like, you know, I wished I had as much time freedom then when she was a child as wish I I had now. But actually, when I have that conversation with her, she does not feel like she missed out in any way, shape, or form in her childhood. That's my perception, that's not her reality, and that's really been nice to have that conversation because I I don't know if I I don't think I've always been this wise. I think wise comes with experience and age, I think.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Yeah, in theory. Well Tracy, your story doesn't start with a business. I found that it starts with a little girl watching her mum skip meals so her children could eat. What did it feel like? I think I didn't know any different.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

It was it was sad to watch, and I and I don't think as a child at seven particularly understood what I was seeing and and what was happening. I think it was later on when I got into my teenage years, and we had a very different life by then because my stepfather had come into our life. He's an amazing man. He still is, by the way, he's an amazing man. And um, so a life became different, and then I think I started to put things together as a teenager, and then when I became pregnant at 18 and had my daughter at 19, I think I felt like an adult, by the way. Like now I know I was a child having a child, but at the time I felt like I was like indestructible, I was thinking was fine, but actually, I think the teenage brain in me was so determined to have financial independence because I thought that if I didn't, then I would become what my mum had. That that actually affected quite a lot of my life. So even though I can't really remember the feelings and the things that happened as a child, what I can reflect on is the things that happened in my life because of that. So it's a kind of a reflection thing rather than a it it I know it made me sad, but it didn't, it wasn't a trauma.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

I see. That's that's really insightful, isn't it? Um so when did you decide without even knowing 'twas a decision that you would never be in that position as your mum?

SPEAKER_01 4:51

I think it was when I became a mother myself. So when I became a mother myself, I I mean I still worked because I couldn't I couldn't get over the whole thing of having to rely on somebody else for money. So I just continued to work. Um even throughout like when she was a tiny baby, it was it was only 16 hours a week, by the way. I'm not saying I worked nine to five, but it was I physically had to work for my own dependence. And when I started the business, that was a pure accident. But actually, once I started to realize what I'd done, it was like that's what it was. I needed, and I think now, I mean, I'm 51 now, and I sit and think how many relationships that fierce financial independence drive has actually like come in between because it wasn't there sometimes, it wasn't always healthy, it was pure drive because I did not want to be there again, and and some people were uncomfortable with that of my own um like the personal need to be financially independent.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Tracy, you became mum at 19 and build a business from nothing. What did it feel like when it started working?

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Oh, that's something I've not even really thought about because I think I was always striving for success, whatever, and I don't think I actually understood what success looked like in the way that I do now. So when it started to work, um I just kept making it bigger and bigger and bigger until I got to that point in 2016 where I was like, oh, I created a monster. So it it's kind of, I think I was in it so close in it that it the feeling wasn't success. The feeling wasn't, you know, it it was just it wasn't even about the money, I think. It was about the growth of the company. So it was, yeah, it felt exciting, I think, as a 20-odd year old, because I was in an industry where like now I think the in the accountancy industry is amazingly full of women. But actually, when I set out in 2002, but that was not the same thing. Like accountants were the men, the stuffy co the grey suits, you know, and it was kind of like I was this out of norm character. Um, I even remember my marketing the business and getting told at a networking event that accountants don't market. And I was like, but how else is everyone got it to know who I am? Like the the whole thought process didn't the whole market of what it was didn't sit right with me, so I just carved my own future.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

You on the form, you mentioned you had everything and you were miserable. Tell me about that moment, the real one.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

So in 2016, my granddad passed, and it wasn't a tragedy. He was 94 and he lived an amazing life. But it was one of those epiphany moments that you realise that actually you only live once. Whilst Elaine was growing up and I was growing the business, I used well, I lived in a really small town, and people used to say to me all the time, you know, like something about having the business and things. And I used to say, if I hadn't have had Elaine, I wouldn't be here. People used to laugh at me. I used to think, I'm serious. Why why is that so hard for you to understand that I don't want to spend the rest of my life in barrowing furnace? You know, the world's huge. I wanted to travel. So effectively, even though I don't regret any of it, like I said, my daughter's my best friend, I do not regret any of this. But actually, I realized that if I hadn't have become a parent so early on, I would have travelled more because that's what I've done since I became like since she became a responsible adult. Like I'd started to travel. And I don't think people believed me. And anyway, so back in 2016, when I realized that actually I felt stuck, like it was really hard for me to admit because I felt ungrateful. I felt ungrateful for this big business that I'd built. Like the, you know, I had the nice house, the fancy car, the lovely holidays, but I wasn't happy. And that being trapped in your own business of a successful business that you've created that's a monster is really, really hard to admit. And it was my grandad's passing that made me realise that you know I had to do this because he only lived once. So it doesn't, it didn't happen overnight. It took me 12 months, but that's when, in the 12 months, it literally processed the entire business to run without me. I got a divorce, and with two suitcases, I moved to Spain, like you said.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Wow, that's that's incredible and very, very brave. You said you felt you had no right to say it out loud that you don't like a life. How long did it take you to carry that before you spoke it when you mentioned it for the first time?

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Probably a year, maybe two, like it could be more. It really could be more, but I think you get so caught up in what you're doing and growing, and like we the the employees that I had, I felt a responsibility to them, and it was it was exciting at a certain point, but I think I created a safe space at work because I wasn't happy at home. So, like the whole I was coming in earlier, leaving later. I mean, I remember when my granddad was in hospital, like I lived a mile away from the hospital, but instead of going home at a reasonable time, going back to the hospital to see my granddad in visiting time and then going home, I didn't choose that. I actually chose to work all the way through to visiting time, which was 7 pm at night, by the way. And then I'd go see my granddad, 7 till 8, and then I'd go home. I was spending the least amount of time at home possible. And it when he passed, maybe that whole thing of I've got to go home now was kind of the wake-up moment for me. But yeah, I don't know. I did carry it for a long time, but you get told to lead by example. That's what you get told to do, but that wasn't that wasn't for me. I just had to find my own way to to let it out.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Admitting this is really brave as well because we often when if something gets too difficult, we tend to get so busy that we don't think about it. At that moment, were you scared of anything?

SPEAKER_01 11:42

I people kept telling me how brave I was in the run-up to going. So for the last like maybe five or six months, I kind of knew I was going. People used to keep saying me how brave I was, or even after the fact, I was how brave I was. I was like, I never felt brave. It wasn't the thing. I just felt then it was it was something I wanted to do and was something I needed to do. I think the things I was scared of most probably was the business not running smoothly whilst I wasn't there. Um, I was scared of the culture dissipating because I'd built a brilliant culture, and actually that unfortunately came true within COVID, but that's a different story. Um so I was scared of losing the culture, which did happen eventually. Um I was scared that so I knew that my mum and my daughter were kind of disappointed that I was leaving. Like we'd been so close, and we all like I mean, my daughter had moved by my to Manchester by this point, so she wasn't under like she we weren't that close in proximity anyway. I think they didn't like the they thought that maybe they thought that our relationship would dissipate by me being in a different country. So I think that was a bit I was a bit scared of that, and and I have lost family members because of it, but they're not the important ones. People who um so yeah, it's it's it's it's a bit of a sometimes when you do something, like you said about being brave, if that's what it was, people see it as a reflection. So it's more it says more about them and their reaction to that than it does about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

You mentioned on the phone that moving to Spain was terrifying to some extent. Yes. Why did you choose Spain and what was the day you left actually felt like?

SPEAKER_01 13:37

So we'd been that so me and my best friend had been on holiday here, and we met some people that we lived here, and actually suddenly moving to Spain didn't seem to be I was gonna move somewhere. So, like, I think a bit of it was embarrassment about the fact that my marriage had only lasted four years and I was quite well known in the town, so I think some of it was that I wanted to move away somewhere, and then when I met some other people that had moved to Spain, it was suddenly like actually the UK doesn't have that limit. I can go two hours on a plane, it what it was like into a different like environment, and the bits that terrified me were settling, like so I kept my home in the UK because I was worried in case it didn't work, and I think what also terrified me was having to come back to England because it didn't work, because then that would be embarrassing too. So I'm I really and I do work on it all the time, but I ten years ago I was quite I still cared about what people thought of me, which trying to work on after the thing that many people think that if someone is successful, we don't care.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

People don't don't care, but actually this is something I can I keep hearing over and over again that even if if you if you are successful, if you achieved a lot, you look back, what will people say? Because also your decisions impact others, and when you higher up you are, the bigger responsibility you've got as well, and moral responsibility as well. So I feel that I understand it. Yeah. When you move to Spain, what did you leave behind that nobody knows?

SPEAKER_01 15:29

Um see you do know, so you've done exactly the same. You've moved to a different country with a different like language. You know what you leave behind. It's really difficult. The things that people don't realize is the culture that you're so used to, the celebrations that the other country doesn't celebrate, your family, the closeness of being able to just see them whenever you like. The language barrier is a huge one as well. And it's because even when you I mean, your English is better than my Spanish, by the way. But you know, when you're trying to fit in into a different culture, things get lost in translation all the time. So, you know, and so those were the things, the homely things. You you like there's friends I don't see anymore because it's out of sight, out of mind. And you can try your hardest to try and keep in contact with them. But when you do actually go back to the country to sit to home, feel like I'm always going home, but when you go home to your parents, you only have a finite amount of time, and trying to like see everybody is impossible. So you lose contact with those people because you can't make it around everybody, and what you tend to then do is prioritize those people who made an effort for you. So people who came to visit you, people who so your circle just grows so much smaller, and they're the things that even though you've got lovely weather, you know, you've got I've got a sea view, there's so much nice things that there is plenty that you miss and that you do leave behind.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Wait, where's so well, how do you feel? Where's your home more? UK or Spain?

SPEAKER_01 17:14

For 10 years, I've just been going home. So when you say you're going to England, I'm going home. When you're in England and you're going back to Spain, you're going home. Like there is, and I think that in itself is something that people don't actually realize. You don't belong in any country anymore. I don't belong here because I'm not Spanish and I've not made my you know infiltrated the culture and because I work with people online, so and kind of like quite recluse when I'm finding friends has been the hardest thing to do as an adult, by the way. People don't talk about that either, and it's really difficult. But I'm also don't belong in the UK either, because my home, my house isn't there, my family is, but actually my roots aren't. So you just that's something you don't don't feel like you totally belong anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

I think I know that feeling that when I get home and I see similar like the trees I used to pass when I was going to school, and now when I when I come back from Stansted when I'm on A14, it's like yes, I I I miss both places.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah, like it's a when you go back to your hometown, you drive round and you think nothing changes, but everything's changed, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Yes, and I think that we can see that the pastimes when children grow uh when children grow, then then we'll be able to see that, oh gosh, you know, I just met her when she was three and now she's she has her own children. I know.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

I see people on Facebook that I knew their children when they were little and now they're ten years older, and I look on Facebook and I'm like, oh, where did they come from?

SPEAKER_00 18:55

How did they grow up? That when we live close to someone, then we f feel that we're going to visit them over and over again. Living, for example, when I live in uh when my parent mum lives in Poland and my grandma lives in Poland, going there and the flight takes two hours, and sometimes driving i uh in Poland takes three, four hours. So I think online contact with another human being can be as fulfilling as living in the same country, because then it's quality more than quantity.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Totally agree. So I speak to my grandchildren all the time on video calls, and that contact I don't know if I so if I'd have stayed in Cumbria, by the way, and my daughter's down in Cheshire, like I probably see them more on video chat here than I would have done in person if I was still in the same country anyway. So it's uh bitter it's a bitter sweet feeling, isn't it, to know that you you know you can't touch them, but you you do get to know them and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Absolutely. In the form, you put something that I would like to give some space because something most people never say out loud. You mentioned that growing up with so little had uh not made you careful with money. It had made you spend it. Yeah. When did you see that?

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Okay, so when I sold the accountancy in 2024, I went on my own money mindset journey because as an accountant, I felt like I should have known better. Like, I should be good with money. I'm an accountant, but I what I realized is I hadn't protected future Tracy. So even though like I'm lucky in the fact that I had a business to sell, like that I hadn't looked after my future self. So that's when I went on my money mindset journey, and that's how we met because one of the things that I found was the um Millionaire Mind Intensive, where we met, and that was part of my journey. So what I quickly realized is that when the business started to do well, I just spent it on me and my daughter. Like literally, Elaine and I went to festivals, we went on holiday, days out. It was all on it's like experiences. It was never materialistic things. I'm never still not materialistic. It was experiences made things like I made days out for us that you know, so we could enjoy ourselves. Because of that, future like 51-year-old Tracy really does wish I'd looked after myself better. And I'm not ashamed to say that because actually it was the scarcity, and because I now understand it, by the way. I was so two years ago, I was ashamed of it, but I'm not ashamed of it anymore because I've done the learning, I've been aware, I've educated myself. And what I realize is that without a system of balance, I am just always going to be a spender because I that's who I am. There's six different money personality types. So, you know, and it isn't about trying to change your personality types, it's trying to be balanced across them. And that's kind of what I teach now. And so that realisation only came very recently in the last couple of years for me. Um, but it has helped me to now look after my future self. It's it's yeah, and I don't regret it, by the way. I do not regret any of the experiences that my daughter and I had. Oh, and I'm not ashamed of it anymore.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Oh, do you know? I I wish I was a spender. I'm a saver.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

You always say I think careful that your saver doesn't give you like uh have a little tantrum when you're older, and then she spend all that money you've got saved up.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Don't I think I'm gonna have a panic attack in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

You're a bit balanced. You need to you need to reward yourself, Cassier. So, like literally just reward yourself every single month, even if it's just an inner out, but you need to consciously reward yourself for your hard work so that you don't have a people call it a midlife crisis, but I don't believe it is a midlife crisis. I genuinely believe it's a savers in a like in a child screaming for a reward, and to stop that is just to have little rewards to having fun, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 23:28

It's just having fun, yes. Because being uh being a grown-up uh is associated with being boring, as my children referring to it is and it isn't, so it depends how you're looking at it. Tracy, you mentioned shame out uh around not protecting your financial future sooner. So imagine that someone someone who is in a similar situation as yourself watching what uh watching uh this episode, so they've got a lot of money, but they decide they suddenly they spend more than they actually earn. What would you say to these people? Is there is there any way we they could start looking at uh at the financial intelligence? Is that no no it's okay, just just have fun.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

So for me, it's about balance and structure and it's about budgeting. I know that's the most boringest, boringest word on the planet, but budgeting helps every six, all the six of the money personalities. And for a spender, somebody who hasn't saved, all it is about is that little percentage, putting it away for your future self. Like literally, and you know, for the saver, it's the same with the fun pot. It's just that little percentage. And start small because it isn't about the amount, it's about the habit. So once it becomes like the norm, suddenly it becomes much easier to do. It is, it's they that's all I can say is whichever one you're not doing right now, either the fun pot or your or your future pot, like you literally just put a small because every time you earn some money, so if you're an employee, it's at the end of the month when you get your salary check. If you're self-employed, it's every time that you get paid by somebody, just put a percentage away and just start and let it become a habit. Make it small so it's not scary, and then over time you can grow it.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Absolutely, and there are many courses, there are a lot of training uh available, and I think this is how we met on the financial on building financial independence uh journey. So it's it's I feel that the training, um MMI training, this is something I want to do every year, even for the people, because it's just so every time uh, for example, from my ex from my experience, I've learned something new every single time. If there's anyone, um yeah, if there's anyone looking for expanding as a human being, that's a good start.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

It is, definitely. Those three days are so much fun, and you learn so much about yourself while you're there, um along with everyone else. And you go in one you I feel like I went to MMI as one person and came home a totally different person.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Oh yes, and if you go with a partner, uh with husband, uh if with work colleagues, you learn about yourself uh so much. It's just it's I I would say it's something um that yeah, everyone I could recommend it to everyone. Yes, spacy. I would like to ask you about something, not about your story, uh about the person listening to this episode. Okay. Imagine that someone is listening to this right now and they have built something real, they are holding it all together, and quietly late at night they are asking, is this really it? What do you say to that person?

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Right, okay, I've been there. That's me. And the hardest thing is to say it out loud for the first time to somebody else. Because, you know, these people that I help now and go in the businesses and help them to fix it, these are people who are successful on the outside. Like they're they're you know, they're they're just struggling. Usually there's two things wrong. Either they've got no time at all or they've got no profit. They're the two things. They're lying awake at night, either thinking, you know, I've got I how am I gonna go on holiday in three weeks because I promise my family? Or they're thinking, how the hell am I gonna meet payroll this week, this month, because there's no money in the bank? And they're the same, they're the same, no, they're different problems, but it's the same solution. They have no systems and processes in their business. Their business, they've become successful by accident, which is exactly what happened to me. And that getting somebody to help you to understand the numbers in your business. So quite often I'll go in, I can look at a set of accounts and we'll know within 10 minutes what's wrong with a business. Because I've done it so many times. But the business owner doesn't see it because they live and breathe that business every single day. But usually the biggest part of it is putting systems in place that generate either like to help the profit or to help the time. So that's the biggest piece of advice. It's kind of admit it out loud to somebody that matters, because actually you will feel lighter immediately after you've done that, and then get like I know you know it's like it's really hard sometimes for people who are successful to think I can do this alone, especially in the age of AI as well. We all think AI will help us, but actually, what you really need is that human, the person that's been there and done it, is somebody who can actually help you create and somebody who's willing to push back at you when you what happens is as founders, we lie to ourselves. And it isn't because we're a liar, it's not, it's because our subconscious has one job, and that's to keep us safe. So, what it does is it tells us lies to help us to stay safe and not to grow up. And actually, you need a human to be able to interact with that, to be able to get you to the next level so that you do have more profit in your business and you do have more time. And time isn't about working less and living more, by the way. Time is about choice, it's about choice of when you work, how you work, with who you work, and what you do. So it's not about like I don't want to, you know, working less time. It's it's time training isn't about that, it's about choice.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

So it's understanding that too. I think you partly answered my second question, but maybe there's something you would like to add to it. What is one thing you wish someone had told you before you packed your suitcases and went to Spain?

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Interesting. Before I packed my suitcases, I think I wished somebody had told me how hard it is to fit in somewhere that you've not been brought up in. Um, because I think if it wasn't for my partner, meeting my partner here, and not quite sure how I there was points, there was points in this 10-year like thing that I've been in Spain, I've been con very, very lonely. Very lonely, quite down. But I knew it was kind of like finding my feet. So it's not all sunshine and roses, it really, really isn't, or sunshine and beaches, cocktails, whatever you want to say in Spain. Um, I think somebody had told me how hard reality is. I think I did see just the you know, sunshine and beaches and things. Um, it doesn't help, I don't drink, by the way, so I don't drink alcohol. So actually, a lot of the sociable stuff that normal people do was very difficult because I didn't drink alcohol. So um, but yeah, I wish I think I think that's the one thing I wished I knew better. I'd be more prepared for.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

As you mentioned, when we're going for holiday, uh if we live in a different part of the world, people have certain a certain imagination of how our li our life is better. But actually we still go to work, we're still stuck in traffic, we still need to go shopping, and we may have different views, speak different language, but actually the life gets yeah, gets complicated. And as you mentioned, if we live in a different country, there's a different culture as well, and different uh type of communication. So I think that is we I think most of us learn this hard way when when we're there, uh we're like, hmm, okay, why did why are they so rude? Why didn't they tell me the truth?

SPEAKER_01 32:03

What's going on? Exactly. I think we do, we learn the hard way, don't we? I think some yeah, I wish somebody would have told me that. I not would I've still I've just still been here, by the way. I just would have been more prepared.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Would you? How would you prepare yourself for this? Mentally, I meant. Yep, yeah, that's that Tracy. My last question, just for you. Your daughter is watching you. Not the business, not the achievements, just her mum. What do you want her to see? That's really interesting.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

I hope that my daughter sees that I'm a kind person. That I'm kind, non-judgmental, and um I try my hardest. I try my best in everything. That's it. I don't I don't see it as my achievements or the business or anything. I see it as a, you know, I put my hand on her. I am a kind person, and I I hope she sees that and that, yeah, she's my favourite person on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

I think she knows. Tracy, you said something that I haven't been able to stop thinking about. Success without fulfillment, it's just a very comfortable trap. It is. Say that again because I think every person listening this here I would like them to hear it directly from you. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

So success without fulfillment is just a comfortable trap. And I think business owners don't have a plan, they just start their business and then they find themselves somewhere that they weren't actually aware they were going to be. And it's so easy for us to stay trapped in that business without actually looking at what our life, what we really, really want for our life. And what I do is I I turn business on its head. I don't start with the business, I start with the person, find out what their ideal life looks like to them. And then what I do is then I look at the business, and then we look at the business they've got now, if they've got one, and we look to see what that needs to look like to be able to help them to live the ideal life, right? And sometimes the business owner says, I don't want a business that big. And I'm like, Well, with the structure that you have now, that's what you need to live your own life. And nobody does that. Business owners just keep going and trying to find this success that they feel like they need without actually making it a parallel. Get your ideal life first, understand what that actually is, and then see if your business can help you to get there. Because if it can't, you're in the wrong job. If you can't, you've only got a job, you're not actually have a business. So that's kind of what I mean by success without fulfillment, because you can be the richest, busiest person, and if you're not fulfilling your own life, because that's not where you're, and that is kind of where I was in 2016, had a comfortable life, you know, and I love the fact that I facilitated a dozen employees' salaries, like I love that. But I was doing it, I was doing everything for everybody else and nothing for myself, and that's the point. And I think the more people can look at their ideal life first and then structure their business second, be a lot happier people.

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Thank you very, very much. Uh exigence to Momentum Academy are in the description. And if this conversation touched something in you, please share it. Not for us, but for the person who in your life who is quite asking the same question Tracy was asking herself uh in the past. Share it to the person who who's looking for the answer that has to be discovered. Thank you very, very much. Thank you. I love that conversation.