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Should This Have Happened
Should Disclosure Day Have Happened?
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In this episode of Should This Have Happened?, hosts Nathan "Tater" Salyer and Rob McCallum put Disclosure Day on trial. Exploring the worlds of UFOs, extraterrestrial life, government secrecy, and humanity's fascination with the unknown, the film asks one of the biggest questions imaginable: What if the truth about alien visitation was finally revealed?
As part of the discussion, the hosts compare Disclosure Day to Close Encounters of the Third Kind, one of Steven Spielberg's most iconic films about first contact and humanity's connection to the unknown. Nearly 50 years after Close Encounters captivated audiences, does Disclosure Day capture that same sense of wonder, mystery, and possibility? Or does it take the conversation in a completely different direction?
The hosts examine the documentary's themes, evidence, storytelling, and cultural impact while debating whether it stands alongside Spielberg's classic or falls short of its legacy. From eyewitness accounts and disclosure theories to the influence of science fiction and popular culture, no topic is off limits.
👽 Does Disclosure Day measure up to Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and more importantly, should it have happened?
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Make me believe that there's stuff out there. What if, man? What if that news reporter, when she was reporting everything and she was getting all emotional?
SPEAKER_00The fact that it's not on your list means we should end the show right now. What is wrong with you? We should make our own UFO doc and see what we're doing.
SPEAKER_01We should.
SPEAKER_00All right. Feeling good? Yeah, I'm feeling great. You you look good today. You look like you're ready to put a movie on trial to determine its fate for eternity. Absolutely. Hey Nathan. Hey Rob. Listen, I don't want anybody to find out, but today we're talking about close encounters and disclosure day. And should disclosure day have happened? Welcome to Should This Have Happened? I'm your host, Rob McCallum, joining alongside your other host, the always magnificent, spectacular, and amazing Nathan the Tater Slayer. Nathan, how you doing today?
SPEAKER_01Fantastic, Rob. How you doing, man?
SPEAKER_00I'm excited to be here and talk disclosure day. Of course, I want to thank our sponsors, Retro City Games, Game Cycle, and Noble Pie Pizza. Noble Pies, of course, in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Retro City Games is in Las Vegas, Nevada, and Game Cycle on Warncliffe Road in my hometown of London, Ontario, are on board helping us do this show just for you. Man, there is so much to talk about. I'm excited. A new, another, but a new Steven Spielberg film based on an original story is in theaters right now. Does that kind of thing get you excited? Are there other directors that get you excited like that?
SPEAKER_01Uh probably Skorsaksky. I can't even say his name right.
SPEAKER_00Skorskaksky? Who is that guy?
SPEAKER_01Oh my we gotta cut that one out.
SPEAKER_00No, no, that is staying in cut that out. No, that's being in there. What movies has Marvin Skorsksky done? Marvin Skorsek.
SPEAKER_01You know, uh uh probably uh the departure, Wolf of Wall Street, Shutter Island. That was fantastic.
SPEAKER_00I was expecting you to say, like, instead of the departure, the leaving, instead of Wolf of Wall Street, the lamb, the lamb of bold court.
SPEAKER_01Good fellas, you know. I mean, there's an all-right guy.
SPEAKER_00Martin Scorsese. Okay. Yeah, sure. All right, that's cool. And where do you land on the Spielberg uh spectrum? Are are you a fan of his? Is it too much hype? You can't deny he's been an iconic voice for the last few years.
SPEAKER_01No, he definitely has been an iconic voice. I I absolutely love Spielberg. You know, I mean, everything from E.T., Jaws, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00Well, then let's just get to it. Before we get to disclosure day, and this week we're comparing it to Close Encounters, and there's a very specific reason we'll get to it. I need to know your top five Spielberg films. That will determine the course of this discussion. So get ready to clip this because you'll see this clip on the internet. Here's your hot take for top five Spielberg films.
SPEAKER_01My hot take in the Taylor five Spielberg, probably Schindler's List.
SPEAKER_00Okay, is this reverse order? Like number five, Schindler's list.
SPEAKER_01No, no, uh, number one, probably Schindler's list. Oh, well, we're starting right at the top. Okay, go ahead. Number two, probably ready ready, player one. Number three. I would have to say probably catch me if you can. Number four, probably Jaws, and then trying to. I mean, probably number five in T, but you know, also Indiana Jones is pretty close to number five. I'd say I'd say I'd say probably which Indiana Jones if you're gonna say Indiana Jones.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it'd have to be Raiders. Okay, so you're saying Raiders. So Schindler's list, ready player one, catch me if you can, Jaws, and Raiders of Lost Ark.
SPEAKER_01It's probably such a close, you know. If if I had to do like an alternate for number five, it'd be Raiders, but ET probably over I also have an alternate for number five as well.
SPEAKER_00So here's my top five, probably the most disappointing Spielberg list for anybody out there watching. The most disappointing Spielberg top five list, just for you, everybody watching on the internet. Uh, number five, I either have Close Encounters or Hook, which I know is so divisive already. Uh, number four, Jaws. Number three, catch me if you can. Number two, Raiders of the Lost Ark, though I love Last Crusade more, uh, but you can't have Last Crusade without Raiders, and Raiders is just so perfect on its own. And number one, of course, Jurassic Park. Like it doesn't get better than JP. It really doesn't. The fact that it's not on your list means we should end the show right now. What is wrong with you?
SPEAKER_01I love Jurassic Park, but it wasn't in the top five for me.
SPEAKER_00Not enough. Oh, are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_01Over Schindler's list? Give me a break.
SPEAKER_00Okay, let's talk about Ready Player One being in your top five and how much of an interesting choice that is.
SPEAKER_01At least it wasn't my top one.
SPEAKER_00Oh, anyways, there's so many problems with both of our lists. We're just gonna have to let it go and focus on today's discussion, which again is disclosure day, and we're pairing it with close encounters. And uh, I told you the reason why we should pair it with. Do you remember what I said?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so Spielberg did a interview where he talks about ET, Close Encounters, and Disclosure Day.
SPEAKER_00And honestly, I think E.T. then disclosure day as like a spiritual thematic trilogy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and and honestly, after watching both of the close and especially close encounters and disclosure day, it feels almost like a continuation, or it couldn't, you know, it does, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It feels so much like a continuation, and you can see how E.T. slots into that story arc. Like after Close Encounters, somewhere somewhere else, E.T. visits Elliot, right? You can see how that those events of Close Encounters lead to that, and then of course, disclosure day. So this is gonna be an interesting episode because it's not about did it follow all the rules that the first one set up and did so well as a first entry. This is almost like a thematic, what did it carry forward? Did it improve upon? What did it tweak? So I'm actually this is a kind of episode I love, and I hope everybody out there gets excited because it's not about is it a good film or a bad film? It's never a good or bad film. What I love is what you say. Putting a movie on trial. We're gonna get to put this film, Disclosure Day, on trial to see if it lives up to Spielberg's kind of first alien entry, Close Encounters, which has a lot of fans.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I did I didn't realize that he's done four alien movies now. I always miss War of the Worlds.
SPEAKER_00Well, don't forget Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, too.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, I guess, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wait, you're just gonna pretend that didn't exist?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm gonna pretend that one didn't happen.
SPEAKER_00Okay, that's fair. Let's get to the background. All right, you, my friend, are the synopsis uh sorcerer, so why don't you give us the synopsis for Close Encounters, which came out in was it 76 or 77? 77. 77, okay.
SPEAKER_0177. And this is actually a really good synopsis, it's uh better than some of the other synopsis.
SPEAKER_00Well, I already I'm excited to see what you what you've brought to the table this week. This is honestly like one of my low-key favorite parts of the show where you give the synopsis, we never know if it's actually the original, and sometimes there's some hidden comedy gold. You're like, dude, got a jetpack, took off, beat the Nazi. It may be Indiana Jones, it may be the Rocketeer. We don't know. So let's hear the synopsis for this week.
SPEAKER_01All right. So the synopsis for Close Encounters of the Third Kind. After an encounter with a UFO, an Indiana electric electrical lineman becomes obsessed with discovering the truth behind what he witnessed. His search ultimately leads him to a historic first contact between humanity and extraterrestrial visitors.
SPEAKER_00Right. So is it really first contact? Not really, because clearly, with what we see happening during that moment, we see that they've been lots of contacts before where other people have been returned. Spoiler alert, by the way, Close Encounters has been up for 50 years. Also, that's a very one-sided synopsis because I feel like there's two parallel storylines. There's stuff that's happening on the government side, and then stuff that's happening on the personal side. And there's kind of like two personal narratives that we're following, mainly Richard Dreyfus's story. But we keep crossing back and forth as the two sides kind of eventually merge at Devil's Tower in Wyoming. It's Wyoming, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I always thought it was Australia. I always thought it was the big mountain thing in Australia. So I was re-watching it. When I was re-watching it, I'm like, when do they get to Australia? How does that happen? And then, well, they don't.
SPEAKER_01No, Wyoming is apparently a very large has a large extraterrestrial presence.
SPEAKER_00Oh, oh, wow, interesting. That that's I didn't even think about that until now. That's interesting. Cool. What's the synopsis for a disclosure day?
SPEAKER_01Okay, so the synopsis is if you found out we weren't alone, if someone showed you, proved it to you, would that frighten you? This summer, the truth belongs to 8 billion people. The story follows a cybersecurity whistleblower and a meteorologist with mysterious ties to extraterrestrial events as they uncover a decades-long conspiracy hiding the existence of alien life form or from humanity.
SPEAKER_00This summer. Anytime I hear like this summer, this May, this holiday season in a world. Like I just can't say anything that happens is serious, like because I can't buy into it. I love it. That's pretty good synopsis, though. That is literally what happens in it, which is great. Yes, the likely combo of a cybersecurity hero turned terrorist and a meteorologist turned linguist from another planet. Yeah, those were you actually did a great job finding something this week. Don't do a good job next week. Again, there's comedy there. I will, I will, I will try not to do a good job next week.
SPEAKER_01From the box office perspective, we will have our taterisms.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, everybody loves a good tatering. The box office perspective, Close Encounters made 116 million overall, adjusted for inflation today. That's 638 million. Because we've only got opening weekend to go on for disclosure day, the opening weekend numbers for close encounters was 10 million, which is about 55 million. Disclosure day looks like looks like it has done about 92 million worldwide on opening weekend, which is pretty good. That's I think the highest earnings for Spielberg from an original story, if I read that correctly. What I found really interesting, though, when I dug into the box office stats, is of the 116 million that Close Encounter has made, only 2 million was made internationally outside of North America. Oh wow, that is interesting. So I don't know if it did not get a wide release. I don't know if there was some concern about the undertones of government authority, anti-authority, religious connotations happening there. If it was too much of a heady film and wouldn't translate or carry well to other markets, you would think like the follow-up to Jaws, though, would be carried by everybody, but apparently not. Apparently not. What do you think about this in terms of Spielberg's career? Any quick thoughts? We don't always do this unless there's like a marquee person, like you know, Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones at 86 or whatever it was for Dial of Destiny, Tom Tom Gunn at the age that he was doing when he's doing Maverick. Spielberg coming back to Aliens in 2026. What do you think? Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, actually, I think it makes a lot of sense. Like I said, you know, earlier. It almost feels like a continuation where like close encounters was what do you do if we make first contact, right? This feels very much like what happens if eight billion people find out at the uh you know at the same time. You know, they've already made first contact, apparently. You know, what happens if everybody finds out at the same time? And I thought it was a really good take on it, even though it I don't think it actually is a continuation, but it feels so much like one.
SPEAKER_00For him, it is. He's he's said this openly that it's that it's part of that exploration, it's it's the trilogy of our experiences with something else that that could be out there. And it comes four years after the Fable Mans, which is a somewhat autobiographical story that he wrote and was nominated for Best Screenplay. And prior to that, he did his version of West Side's story, and prior to that, he did Ruddy Player One. So aside from Ready Player One, this feels like firmly back in Spielbergian territory of fantasy, wonder, and whimsical mystery. And I don't know about you, but there were several sequences in disclosure day. I thought, yeah, this is pretty great. This is top-notch filmmaking.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was like it was there was a couple parts though, and we'll get into this later that I was kind of like, oh, that that that felt lazy, but we'll we'll get into that later.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so let's jump right into it then. Let's talk about close encounters. Why did the original work did it work, and and to what extent, what resonates over time from Close Encounters? Had you seen Close Encounters prior to getting ready for this discussion? Was this something ever on your radar? Did you avoid it? Is it I don't know. Tell me about no feelings about that film.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I watched Close Encounters growing up. I think my my mom and dad were kind of fans of that movie, so I remember watching it when I was a kid. I've seen it a few times, kind of in my early adulthood. And yeah, I mean, you know, it it was always a movie that you know kind of sparked that curiosity of well, are are we alone in the you know, the universe, you know? I mean, you know, it it seems kind of a waste to have that much space and and not and be the only people that you know populate the universe. So, you know, it always kind of gave me that wonder of, you know, are we alone?
SPEAKER_00You know, so you might not realize this though, but he's a I wouldn't call him a UFOologist or anything like that, but he is heavily into disclosure and accounts, and apparently Close Encounters is based on true things that happened, yeah. Like right down to the T. Obviously, he's woven in some you know, narrative storytelling so that we can follow a main character and have him sacrifice things for what he truly believes, and you know, no matter how much people think he's crazy, he's gonna be driven until he you know gets the answers he needs and all that great storytelling stuff. But apparently the whole visitation, the musical notes back and forth is apparently what happens. What do you think about him pulling real life accounts to tell this story?
SPEAKER_01Well, I think it gives an element of the human experience. I mean, obviously, you know, I mean, if you're just making making up the stories, yeah, I mean, they have to come from somewhere. There has to be some account of why we see what we see on screen for for this, you know. I mean, like, you know, are the aliens, you know, little green men or do they look like us type thing, you know. So, you know, obviously, you know, most of the, you know, the extraterrestrial movies have got to pull from some sort of source, you know, for us to kind of. I mean, there's too many accounts of this. And, you know, I mean, I I I I think that those accounts are really going to influence the way that people make movies and and you know, those stories that come out for, you know, UFOs and extraterrestrials. So I I I think it I think he did a really good job, especially with uh weaving in the narratives, you know, for the story.
SPEAKER_00So I love anything that asks what if, right? Right? Because you don't have to buy into it, but what if the imagination starts to run. Now, how did you feel? First of all, the visual effects and close encounters were like superb, especially at that time. It's like great at the same time as Star Wars, so it's like rivaling all that computer technology is really starting to you know come into its own for the first time in a long time compared to traditional Hollywood effects. But what did you think about the ending of Close Encounters?
SPEAKER_01You know, I I think the inning of Close Encounters was pretty fantastic. The communication sequence. Well, the communication sequence between, you know, the UFO and the government, you know, in it's it's it wasn't, it's it wasn't typical. I mean, you know, the way we think of communication is you know, through an actual language, and you know, we wouldn't have thought that you know musical notes or or light patterns would be in actual communication. And the fact that they kind of brought that into it almost kind of makes you kind of dive deeper into, you know, well, how would aliens communicate? How would you know something that other than yourself communicate if if there was no actual you know language or if there was a language barrier like that, right?
SPEAKER_00I mean, you would have to you would have to because like what the arrival is pretty much based on, right? Exactly, exactly. I think Amy Adams was like an anthropologist linguist. I'm sure that's wrong, but the whole idea is how do we talk to these people, yeah. Right, or creatures or beings or whatever you want to call them. Yeah, and you know, it's just it it I thought that's is it satisfying though when the film ends? Do you are you left satisfied?
SPEAKER_01To me, yeah, I was satisfied. I mean, you know, it's it's kind of uh one of those bittersweet, you know, endings. I mean, his whole family gets uprooted in the movie, right? And you know, he ends up going off with the aliens, you know, his wife left him, his kids are gone, and you know, he goes off with the aliens, so you kind of start to wonder, it's like, you know, I mean, his his whole life is pretty much destroyed. Where is he gonna go at this point? And you know, he's gonna search more for the truth, and and those answers are staring him right in the face, and it's like, what would you do at that? You know, and and he goes off with them, and it was it was very kind of a bittersweet ending because he's gonna go get the answers, but then you start thinking about everything he went through to get to that point, and it's it's kind of it's giving up a lot, yeah. It's it's got some tragedy, it's got some, you know, I don't want to say humor because I mean, you know, the the humor part is kind of him coming to that point of you know where where he's acknowledging that those answers are right in front of him, and he's just kind of already and it's just kind of you know, yeah, it's satisfying. I think it's I think it's a satisfying end. I mean, there's there's a lot of elements to it, and it it really kind of touches on a lot of different emotions.
SPEAKER_00So okay, that's fair. Let's before we get to disclosure day, and we're gonna get to it real soon. I'm gonna segue that conversation saying, I'm surprised I didn't see Richard Dreyfus show up in Disclosure Day. Yeah, I thought for sure, I thought for sure there would have been a cameo appearance somewhere in the archival stuff that they that we're going through, that there would have been a reference to the close encounters event. And even if we didn't see his face, we would have seen him like in a long shot walking off in archival stuff. Let's get to disclosure day. Okay, let's get to the sequel. What what did this spiritual successor spiritual successor? What did this film add to Spielberg's exploration of alien and humanity uh intertwining, intermingling? Did the film work for you? Did it improve upon what was laid out in Close Encounters? Is it too much of a retread? What went wrong? What went right? Tell me for everybody, what's your hot take?
SPEAKER_01So I I think what it added was kind of more of the conspiracy element to this movie, where yeah, I mean, in in Close Encounters, we follow more of uh you know Richard Dreyfus's character as you know as he's discovering, you know, we we get into a little bit of the conspiracy element, but I mean they don't hold Richard Dreyfus back very, very much. Like, I mean, they just let him walk all over the base. I mean, it so some of that doesn't work for me, but though there's there's there's not much of a a conspiracy.
SPEAKER_00There's more red tape at Disney World than Richard Dreyfus. Yeah, it's just harder to get on a rock than it is to see chemical military installation.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So, you know, I I I think I think what disclosure day brings is more of that conspiracy element. I mean, very much more government realism.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, more like government intervention and red don't check out disclosure day.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, try trying to stop the people from from finding out. Where in close encounters it was like, Who's this guy? Oh, okay, yeah, go on, go on, go get suited up. Let's go. You know, I mean, it was it was, you know, for me that that doesn't work in close encounters, but in in disclosure day, there's very much a government. Yeah, and and it also brings, like, you know, like I said, where you know, eight billion people are gonna find out at the same time, you know, it brings a kind of a global scale consequence of what is going to happen when everybody finds out whether or not there are extraterrestrials. I mean, religions are gonna be uprooted, you know, people's, you know, beliefs are gonna be uprooted, you know. It there, there's there's a huge impact to finding something like that out on a global scale. And and I I I felt like it dove into that uh very realistically, and and you know, that there are consequences.
SPEAKER_00Right. Let me ask you this though. What was actually happening in Disclosure Day? Because okay, I like the film. I'm just gonna tell you, I really enjoyed Disclosure Day. I thought it was a fun roller coaster ride. I love that it combined elements of sci-fi and thrillers and made me want to believe, it made me want to see more of the archive stuff. I thought all the snippets that they showed were really fun, really great sci-fi touches that we'd never those are the stuff that you really want to see, right? And you want to you want to kind of believe in like you can't quite make something out, but you see it. But the film felt like it was a constant chase, like a constant, like, gotta catch up, gotta catch up, gotta catch up. And I wasn't sure what the chase was really about. Was it about going after one of those three artifacts, or was it about getting the archive, or was it just about stopping the one person? Because if it's about any of those, that's a problem. Because the one guy could be killed, sure. There's they've already discovered that there's a whole bunch of defectors that could share information. If it's about the artifact, there's other artifacts, and that doesn't stop the archive from getting out there. So, what was the chase really about?
SPEAKER_01I don't know.
SPEAKER_00You know, it and that that's also a problem for so like close encounters is about the discovery and pushing to discover, discover, like looking behind the tree when nobody wants you to kind of look, or everybody tells you you're crazy if you look, they don't try to stop you, they say you're crazy if you do that, but you do it anyways, because you you have to. This is more like I need to get it out there, and everybody's understands that that's what you want, and they're trying to stop you, and it's how far you're willing to go to get it out there. But I don't know that they're that's actually the thing because, like he said really early on, I'm just gonna upload the archive now. Like, how would that have changed the film? Yeah, I don't think it would have.
SPEAKER_01Honestly, every time every time they catch up my head, well, it every time they catch up to stopping disclosure day. I felt like the main villain character, and I I do not remember his name, but all of a sudden, uh Colin Colin Firth, isn't it? Yep, Colin Firth. Yeah, Colin Firth. He all of a sudden he just sits down and he's just like, Go ahead, you know.
SPEAKER_00I mean, he's beat at the end, he's like, he literally will not do anything else, and he's like, you know, I'm kind of tired.
SPEAKER_01I mean, even his henchmen like just give up, and they're like, You're not gonna do anything, and they turn around and walk away. And it was like, to me, that was like, Okay, well, I I I guess there's no real, you know, I think this problem that you're having with that moment.
SPEAKER_00It didn't feel earned, it didn't feel like he was convinced and won over to go back on the other side, like the side of right, instead of like we find out that his wife had passed away or something and he's bitter and closed himself down from everybody, but it didn't feel like he arced back to the other side, he did just accept things, but it feels like a neutral middle ground. It wasn't like all of a sudden he grabbed the gun and turned it on, like his number one guy said, No, they're right. This actually has to get out now. Yeah, what what kind of what does he really think that's gonna happen? I mean, and and there is a bit of a personal versus public parallel narrative. It's like, what does he think is gonna happen if he lets people in, right? Versus like himself lets people in what he's dealing with as a human with the loss of his wife, and lets the world into his world and everybody knowing is it gonna be so bad? But I'm really pulling straws to come to that conclusion, yeah. Like you can see it, but it's not scripted in such a way that like bangs you on the head.
SPEAKER_01No, and I I I feel like they should have taken more time to you know to hammer out that part of the story rather than some of the other things that they did, you know.
SPEAKER_00I mean there's a lot of cool stuff that they did, though. You know, there's the always the two. You got Colin Firth on the one side, and then you've got the other guy on the other side who were like working side by side, and they basically went two down two divergent paths. Then you've got Emily Blunt, the meteorologist, and then you've got the the cyber dude, you know, who was recruited because he had an experience as a kid, and Emily Emily Blunt had an experience as a kid as well. And so like there's this this parallelism, right? There's all these parallels that are of people coming together, people coming together, which I think really helps build the design of the film, and you want to see how each side is gonna balance off, but it never really again, you've got this superpowered object that you're told is dangerous in the wrong hands, but to what extent, like you almost never see it go wrong, except for when dude grabs it by mistake, right? We almost should have had like a pre-credit scene where something goes wrong with that, right? Yeah, and what did you think of that McGuffin? That that alien artifact that was used for deep diving and basically you know uh astral projection.
SPEAKER_01You know, it it didn't wow me. I mean, I I get why they used it, but I I felt you know Emily Blunt's use of it. I felt like we were gonna get some big wow factor out of it, you know.
SPEAKER_00I mean, did she even we just didn't all she did was like project things into people's brains without using that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, like she didn't need it until she made everybody disappear, and then that was really it. And then all of a sudden the artifact just kind of dissolves, and like there wasn't a big wow factor for me in that. You know, I mean, some of the where we needed kind of, you know, we were building up to something, it was just kind of uh it was anticlimatic, right? It it just kind of it built you up, and then all of a sudden you were just kind of like stagnant, stagnant, and then we're back to the chase scenes again. And there was never a big wow factor with any of the artifacts. Like I was expecting it to go big, right?
SPEAKER_00I mean, we've got I wanted to pay off for it, right? Yes, I wanted to. Again, spoilers, they bring out an alien that they've been guarding, protecting, keeping alive. I thought he or she or it was going to do something with the artifact so that it was bigger or being used in a different way that nobody saw, but all of a sudden it's like, oh, okay. Again, if they would have had like two artifacts come together because each side had one, right? Like the two halves of the power sword, and then this alien creature like shows what their real purpose is, that would have been something cool. I think my biggest problem is the first uh the film feels like episode one of a of what could be a really interesting TV show, right? I don't mind all the chase stuff, I think that's all fine, and I love the the disclosure and sharing all that stuff with the world. Like I was getting chills at points with the the recreations of what like news network broadcasts you know look like on the screen and stuff.
SPEAKER_01And that news reporter, when she was reporting everything and she was getting all emotional, like that. I was getting emotional, really good scene.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was a really good scene. It's like, oh my god. Yeah, I was waiting for her to say, you know, we are not alone, which is exactly what she says, which is awesome. But like I want to see okay, what's the next episode? How does the world deal with this? Where do we go from here? What does this mean?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the uh the ending was very much a a cliffhanger, and it you know, down to the you know, did the ending work? I'll I'll kind of you know go over that, but it was very much a cliffhanger. It it yeah, it felt very very much like episode one of a TV show, yes.
SPEAKER_00Did the did the sequel understand the original? Oh, yeah, I think does it understand where close encounters came from and play off all the things that worked?
SPEAKER_01Oh oh I I absolutely very, very well. I mean, it you know, it's it's about the search for truth. You know, what if aliens actually did arrive, you know, kind of first encounters things, you know. I mean, for for a lot of people, this is first encounter, you know. Obviously, for the government it's not, you know, I mean, they already at this point they already had in disclosure day a first encounter, but you know, for many people, disclosure day was the first encounter of you know what was happening, right? So yeah, yeah, and you know, both films kind of touch on you know the the human element of what happens if we find out, you know, curiosity, wonder, you know, that search for truth. I think it really did understand the the the original remarkably well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean that's no surprise Spielberg was involved in the story with both of them. Obviously, the same director, he knows what he's pulling at, and he's continuing the story that it that he started telling then, which is great. I got an even bigger question for you, Nathan. What's that? If you're in Las Vegas and you're looking for video games, where are you going? Retro City games. Where are you going to retro? Well, why go to retro city? What makes you know four of their stores amazing?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, oh, and that's what I was about to say. All four of their stores are absolutely amazing, they're beautiful, they're well set up. You know, their selection is not hard to to go through. Everything is, you know, easy to navigate, easy to find. They have an amazing, amazing inventory collection. Yeah, what I love about them.
SPEAKER_00All the yeah, they have yeah, all the common stuff, heavy hitters. Yes, like they have all the classics, right? Not just the common stuff, but the classics, all the Mario titles, all the Sonic titles, and and Well Supply, Mega Man, Castlevania, Resident Evil. You pick I think we've seen Little Samson there.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you know, that was that was an amazing find.
SPEAKER_00Lots of eclectic. I mean, if you're a collector, you've got to go there. And one thing that I used to love doing in my city was take a weekend and visit all the different shops in town. And I love the idea of people going to Las Vegas and going, Oh, I want to get some retro games. We're gonna hit all four locations of retro city games, South Outlet Premium Malls, Henderson, North Premium Malls, and in the forum shops, too, man. The forum shops and Caesars, they have a store.
SPEAKER_01And you know, you know what else I think is probably the the reason why people should go is their staff is absolutely amazing.
SPEAKER_00No, Doug and Nicole, who run them, are the best people in the world, but don't waste your time with them. They're just gonna give you lots of good advice, they're gonna tell you about things you didn't realize, they're gonna give you so much information that will delight you that you'll be further down the collecting rabbit hole. So if you like video games, sure, talk to them. If you want to know about stuff you didn't realize, talk to them. But you don't have to make your life better by engaging with them or their staff. Absolutely not. Let's get to the standalone test, my friend. Does disclosure day work on its own, or does it actually benefit from close encounters being part of its DNA? Or in this case, does I would even extend it to does disclosure day work if it's not Spielberg directing this film?
SPEAKER_01You know, honestly, I think Disclosure Day is very much a slant standalone film. Does it benefit from Close Encounters? For those who know what Close Encounters is and has watched it, I think it it very much benefits from it. But if Close Encounters never happened, that doesn't hurt this movie. This movie was it was fantastic. I mean, it it had all the elements to stand alone, and even if Spielberg didn't direct this, I I think this movie would definitely would would be able to stand alone.
SPEAKER_00So how much does it benefit from Spielberg though? And benefit from Close Encounters. Well, I I think because Spielberg, or is it just like, yeah, it could work without them, but the fact that it is Spielberg and the fact that it has done Close Encounters.
SPEAKER_01Well, let's put it this way: if Spielberg didn't do this film, I think we would have gotten a totally different film. But what I mean by what I said just a minute ago was if we got this film and Spielberg didn't direct it, if it was somebody else and it wasn't had any ties to Close Encounters, this definitely could have stood alone. Okay. But because Stielberg did direct it, this is we absolutely got this film, and I think I I think it very much benefits from Spielberg, you know, his his vision and what he did with Close Encounters.
SPEAKER_00But I absolutely think this just becomes another alien film, and because it's Spielberg, it becomes something special. You take Spielberg out of this equation. I don't think you get half the magic that happens through performances, through style, through exploration of the material, because he's getting he's he kind of gets a writer story credit on this as well. I just think it falls flat if he is not involved in this film.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, you're you're getting all the visual callbacks, similar emotional beats, you know, the fascination with first contact, you know, you know, similar themes of, like I said earlier, the communication between, you know, the extraterrestrials and and you know mankind, you know. So I mean, all those very much in close encounters and very much in disclosure day.
SPEAKER_00What is the fan breaking point? Do you think? What's the one idea where fans looked at disclosure day and went, oh, if it didn't have this, or this did not work? We've we've talked about a few things that ruffled our feathers a little bit, some story ideas, some plots, some execution stuff, uh, from again a story level, but what's the one kernel idea where you're just like, Oh for me, get rid of that.
SPEAKER_01It it was it it was a little slow, you know.
SPEAKER_00Your hot take is that it was slow in comparison to close encounters.
SPEAKER_01Well, I was about to if you'll let me talk, I won't. Not when you're you're gonna have to because this is a debate, so so it it was a little slow, and I think a lot of people that you know cannot handle those types of movies, that is going to be a breaking point for them. I think close encounters, I I think both movies kind of are very similar as far as the the pace as which the movie kind of goes. And if you're if you do not like kind of slow, slow burns, it this movie is not going to be for you. It's gonna be very much, you know, I disagree.
SPEAKER_00I did not find this a slow burn. There is like no shortage of chases and weaponry and hiding. I mean the straw ball is a lot of action.
SPEAKER_01There's a lot of there's a lot of action, but that doesn't mean that it's not a slow burn. I mean, like you're you're not getting the payoffs in in certain at certain points that kind of keep keep you engaged. Like I some of it you've got to wait an extremely long time until the ending to get those payoffs, and I think a lot that's the breaking point for fans where that's I I disagree.
SPEAKER_00I disagree. I think there's a there's enough gumdrops and gummy bears along the way to keep you satisfied until you get to that that big caramel bar at the end that that you want where you get the caramel secret. I think there's a there's enough candy along the way. The one idea that the fan breaking point for me was if I have to see one more close-up of a mouthpiece being put in, like a bite block being put in Colin Firth's filthy mouth, and hear the sound of going in there, that's the fan breaking point for me. I know it's again it's a hot take, but I don't want to see somebody slobber and somebody else's hands go into his mouth as he's gonna bite down on something. That was the breaking point for me. I'm good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, you know, I think the other breaking point is where close encounters very much was about mystery, you know, first and you know, and then all of a sudden this big, you know, alien presence at the you know, at the end. Disclosure day, I think uh dives right into the conspiracy theory. There was not a lot of mystery. I I think there was some mystery, but not as much as like close encounters and the the ending, you didn't get I don't feel like you got that that caramel at the end for the ending. I I don't I think the cliffhanger wasn't way it wasn't as big as as close encounters.
SPEAKER_00I felt like it was the release was better. The release was better. I felt like okay, I could finally breathe because disclosure actually happened. Whereas I don't know what happened to the man who ditched his family, went off with the the alien children in the sky. It's like okay, then what? Like there is no release, it's just constant buildup with close encounters. It's like okay, he went and did this, but there's no like giant payoff. You can say, Okay, well, I guess he got what he wanted, but did he really? Or is he just so delusional that he just he's already lost everything, so he's already passed the point of no return.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, whereas this, it's like we gotta get it out there, we gotta get it out there, and finally it was obvious that discussion today was gonna happen, but yeah, it was obvious that disclosure. I mean, that was that was kind of I the that's what I mean by there was no mystery. Like we knew disclosure day was gonna happen. I mean, it's in the title of that. I yeah, I I I knew it. I I think a lot of people could predict that disclosure day was gonna happen, especially. Well, there's just a lot of people are so smarty okay, go do what you want, you know. I think I think everybody and and put in the put in the comments, did you know disclosure day was gonna happen or not? Okay, but to do I I think that very end where the the alien kind of you know tells I think his name was Daniel Kellner. Daniel Kilner, so yeah, he he gives him the message, then Daniel turns to Emily Blunt and gives her the message, and then she comes and stands in front of the yeah, and stands in front of the and she just goes, listen, and then it ends right there. I there that was what I was looking for. I wanted the alien message, not necessarily that aliens exist.
SPEAKER_00The message was to listen.
SPEAKER_01No, she was she was about to say more. She was about to say more.
SPEAKER_00No, I think the message was you better listen, and it's to the audience. Start listening to what you're hearing around you right now as disclosure happens.
SPEAKER_01I screamed, listen to what? Like you didn't cut the movie off.
SPEAKER_00This is this is what I want you to listen to. You ready? I'm gonna tell you.
SPEAKER_01That's exactly what was coming next. It just shoved a bunch of pop rocks in her mouth, and but no, I mean there wasn't a lot of there wasn't a lot of mystery in this. There was a lot of conspiracy, which I I I love the conspiracy, but I I wanted more mystery surrounding it, and for me that was a big breaking point.
SPEAKER_00I got a mystery for you. What's your mystery? It's where is the best? Where's the best pizza in the world? Are you a fan of pizza? I am a fan of pizza. Have you been to Calgary, Alberta, Canada?
SPEAKER_01I have been to Calgary, Alberta, but I have not been to that pizza place.
SPEAKER_00You haven't been to Noble Pie Pizza? Okay, do yourself a favor. In honor of disclosure day, you're gonna have what we call pizza day, and you're gonna get a plane ticket, you're gonna get to Calgary Birdie Canada, you're gonna go to the back alley because this place is like a speakeasy back alley, entrance only, incredible retro decor inside. The best pizza in the world. If you know something about me, it's that I love pizza, and this pizza is amazing. I would not shock you, I'm sure, if I told you that I could eat a whole pizza myself.
SPEAKER_01I I say that I fly up there and we both go together.
SPEAKER_00Done. So All right, let's do it. The question is, do you have their bikini bottom pizza or do you have the sweet cheeses? And do you put a little hot honey on there? A little hot honey, sweet cheeses. I'm telling you right now, it's the kind of pizza that tastes so good you don't feel like crap afterwards. It's the kind of pizza that tastes so good that even if you were to somehow, not that I ever did this, eat a whole pizza, you would still want to have more. It's the kind of thing that you actually book to go to Calgary for and then find something else to do around mealtimes. It's the kind of thing that you feel sad anytime you have pizza because it's not Noble Pie. Noble Pie is that good. They've been discussed in Forbes. The owners are incredible. They studied under New York Pizza Masters, then brought their own take back to Canada. They've uh been considered for reality show spots. They're just incredible folks. But that pizza is what it's all about.
SPEAKER_01Sounds like pizza I need.
SPEAKER_00If you're not in Calgary, Alberta, and if you are, you should definitely check out Noble Pie. They have limited, limited seating. They only make X number of pies a day. They sell out all the time, so you're gonna have to get on the hopper soon. And if you haven't gone to Calgary, time to book a ticket. Now that's your reason. You can figure out something to do with the rest of your time. But mealtime, it's Noble Pie Pizza in Calgary. That's the one good idea I have for you. What's the one good idea they had in Disclosure Day? One of my favorite segments, of course.
SPEAKER_01Well, for Disclosure Day, I think you know, the the concept around everybody finding out at once was probably the biggest good idea. You know, I mean, it definitely develops, you know, you know, after the the first contact, right? And I think that was the draw of, you know, what is disclosure day? What you know, what what are we going to see? And that's really what kept me in the seat. I I think everybody finding out all at once and the consequences behind that, that for to me was the the the big draw and and the one great idea that they had, because not a lot of movies kind of touch on that. We always touch on the first encounters or that aliens are bad and you know they're they're here to you know destroy everything, and you know, but you know, this kind of had that, you know, conspiracy of, you know, they're all bad, but then they turn out to be just what what we need them to be, and and we're finding out exactly just you know what the government has been hiding from us. And and I thought that was I thought that was the great great premise and and great idea for the for this movie.
SPEAKER_00I'm not sure about the stakes though. That's the only thing about it. It's like, okay, yeah, you can't rewind history. This is something you can't take back. But they never really painted what that would happen, and we never saw kind of like we never got to do the smell test of like, see, there's we need to keep this back as something like this, or bigger could happen.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00So I get it, but at the same time, I don't know. I I honestly feel like if it happened today, there'd be so much complacency, and people would just be back to posting pictures on Facebook or Instagram of the food that they're eating for breakfast that they tried to recreate at a restaurant, you know, using household items that people just wouldn't care, right? They'd just be like, oh, aliens, okay. Anyways, back to me playing Contra on NES or whatever it is. I think the one good idea that they had was that there is an entire government agency built around this stuff, and there's just that historical real-world vibe that this thing exists, and you could see how it interacted and didn't interact with other things, not unlike men in black, but to a level with the evidence that made you feel like it was real and that their existence would be threatened. And it's like, of course, this is the real way that it's being handled as a shadow operative kind of thing, private funded or or whatever you want to call it. I think that's approaching it like this is on that level, and it's almost corporate corruption, right? At this point, where it's almost greedy, where they've got to keep everything to themselves. That idea, that motivation versus close encounters, which it was like, what can we learn and enlightenment? This is a much more reflective of our current times. And I thought that was a really clever take to just make it like. I mean, of course, they're the bad guys and they're the government, and it makes sense to go that way. But this could have been like just a f like faceless agents chasing them, yeah, and the fact that they're so motivated because they don't want to lose control because they feel special as a result of it, and then they wouldn't feel special anymore once it's out there, right?
SPEAKER_01And I I think the time that you know releasing this movie is is spot on, uh, you know, kind of going back on what you said, as far as like our government, you're my government, you know, releasing the UFO files and stuff. I'm sorry, you're in you're in K. I know I know you're a real citizen, but our my government releasing the UFO files, you know, this movie kind of kind of touches on what disclosure day should look like, right? And and our when our government kind of released the UFO files, you know, it was I don't know, it was kind of a letdown, right? I was I was hoping to get like proof that was a good thing. Yeah, I little green men, you know, you know, but it was just it was more of what you find on YouTube, right? It was it was uh, you know, and kind of on a larger scale, but it was very much, you know, like I want to believe, you know, make me believe that there's stuff out there. What if, man? What if what if, right? And you know, our government releasing was kind of a letdown, you know. I was kind of like, I was really hoping, but this movie kind of portrays what I I felt like disclosure day should look like, right? Sure. And you know, the the timing was perfect. I I think UFOs are are hot right now. I think you know, especially with with the US releasing the the UFO files, and and I think some of them, I guess, or whatever, but yeah, yeah, you know, so I I think you know, I think disclosure day was released at the perfect time as well.
SPEAKER_00So does the film get bigger or smaller? We're talking about escalation. Does the disclosure day feel bigger than close encounters?
SPEAKER_01The same size action feels better or feels bigger, but the overall reveal of aliens, I think, was smaller. I think I think the I I don't know feel like it was smaller.
SPEAKER_00I feel like there was so much more to show the vast amount of things that they showed was significantly bigger. And the problem with Close Encounters is if you don't buy into what that final showdown is, that that final reveal, then the film is done. Like for you, it doesn't work. Whereas this had just lots of different kinds of archive based on different types of media sources, depending on the you know, the era that they're showing you the archive from, and that just helps kind of you know the believability, the what if.
SPEAKER_01So I think the archive was bigger, but the the alien contact where they wheel, you know, like that the the reveal of the aliens was very much smaller to me, where they had multiple ships in close encounters, they had multiple aliens that come out, you know, they had multiple contacts. The the entire movie for disclosure was very much about you know the buildup of disclosure and then that final reveal of aliens. Yeah, the archive footage was amazing, but that's people seeing on a screen, you know, the you know, that there are aliens, they're not seeing it, you know, uh you know, live an actual alien. And then when they wheel that alien out and he stands up, that's that's your first, you know, that's a lot of people's first interaction live with you know with an alien. And it was very much smaller. It was that was that part was very small.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but then it's trumped by the fact that everything gets released, right? So like it's it's much bigger. So I I think the reveals are equally as big. You like one aspect more than I do. I thought the films were pretty much the same scale. You're talking about people driving a great distance to find this thing. And disclosure day, I found it weird that it was like this big circle where they come back to where they started, which again, you know, is probably by design, but you know, going to Devil's Tower has its has its own charm as well. Uh you know, government side, personal side, same kind of thing. So it felt pretty balanced to me. What do you think if this never happened, though? What if this spiritual successor, the sequel disclosure day, never happened? Would there still be an appetite for Spielberg to do an alien film? Would there be a call for like a proper Close Encounters too? Where are you at?
SPEAKER_01You know, honestly, if this movie never happened, I don't think there would be a big call out for Spielberg to do another alien movie. I uh honestly, I I I just I feel like you know, there wasn't much interest until the movie, you know, trailer was released, or or you know, the thought of this movie actually came up for people, you know, to have this movie. I'm glad it exists, but for me, yeah, I I don't think Close Encounters 2 was widely sought after. I don't think maybe maybe early on it was, but you know, 50 almost 50 years later. I don't I don't think people are calling for et2 or or close encounters to. I don't think a lot of people were hoping this movie would be, you know, released, uh, but I'm glad it's here. I'm glad we got another Spielberg, you know, excessive.
SPEAKER_00I think we're spoiled that he decided to do another alien film. There's so much that could have gone wrong with it. And I think the film is very competently made. I think it explores ideas that we're fascinated with, and whether you like the final reveal or not, or whether it's enough aliens for us, the viewer, versus the alien archive that the world gets to see, which is where we're coming at it from differently. I think it's it furthers the discussion in that Spielberg is just delighting himself in the fact that he can do that and has the skills to pull off telling that story. I think we're incredibly lucky.
SPEAKER_01No, I I think we're absolutely lucky, you know. Again, you know, and and hopefully this movie gets a lot of attraction, a lot of attention, and you know, becomes a cult classic like the other ones have, you know. I you know, I dare to say that you know the new War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise is a cult classic by any means, but I think uh I think ET Close Encounters, I I we're we're we're at a maybe a war of the world, there's some good stuff going on in that film. Oh, there's some good stuff going on. Is it a cult classic? No, I don't I don't think it's a cult classic, but you know, Indiana Jones, the dial of destiny, I think it or not Dial of Destiny, Kingdom of the Crystal School. Only you know, the only reason why it's a cult classic is because of the other Indiana Jones. I think uh that was probably the worst one of all of them.
SPEAKER_00So before we get to the final verdict, okay, let me talk about something that is a bit of a cult classic. Game cycle in London, Ontario, a Warncliffe Road. This place has a lot of history in my hometown. This place has supported Nintendo Quest and 60 N64 Quest, Super Nintendo Quest. What do you think about Game Cycle in London, Ontario? You've been there, you know John who runs the store.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's he's amazing, man. You know, I mean he he he runs a tight ship, man. He's got some great, you know, classics, he's got a great, you know, we've we've been there hunting for NES, right? Nintendo, super Nintendo, Nintendo 64. He's he's got a great selection, great inventory of all of that. And I I think you know, his store is fantastic. You know, we you need to go check it out if you're in that area.
SPEAKER_00And dude, I tell you, the one thing that people don't talk enough about, yes, they've got all your favorite gaming stuff, current retro, but he is quietly amassing quite the Blu-ray and DVD selection as well, and tons of deals, right? Like five dollar TV seasons for stuff that is like 22 episodes per season, hour-long episodes, and it's like five bucks. Oh man, if you love physical media, these are the kind of stores you need to go and support. And Game Cycle, London, Ontario, Warrencliffe Road is right at the top of that list. You need to check out if you value not having to worry about your favorite streaming service pulling something off and just want to be able to put a disc in at any time, this is the place to go. Let's get to the final verdict. Let's get to the final verdict. All right, are you ready for the categories again? I'm ready for the categories. All right, disclosure day. Is this a necessary evolution? Is this a worthwhile mistake? Is it better than expected? Is it corporate but competent? Is it creatively empty? Does it betray the original? And or should it never have happened? And I want you to make your decision based on this criteria. Think about artistic value, think about franchise impact, in this case, Spielberg and alien stuff. Think about the cultural impact, think about the emotional necessity, and think about the legacy. What is your final verdict, my friend, for disclosure day?
SPEAKER_01I think disclosure day is a necessary evolution. I think the continuation of is there life out there? You know, what happens if we all find out at the same time? You know, it it evolves from you know, close encounters, even though it's not an actual close encounters, you know, reboot or sequel or continuation, it very much feels like it. And I feel like, you know, this was beyond a corporate, you know, just making money. You know, obviously Spielberg is very much into the belief that we're not alone, and you know, he portrays that in this. And I think, you know, I think with artistic value and everything, we got a great Spielberg movie. You know, I think I think this was a really good movie to make, and it really needed to be made. It made even if we weren't expecting it.
SPEAKER_00You know, so I I almost wanted to say the same thing, necessary evolution, but I'm gonna go a different path just to be different, and I'm gonna say it's better than expected. There's so many ways an alien movie can go wrong. There's so many ways that it can be hokey that like horror films that once you see the ending, you never need to see that film again. I think there's enough what if questions in this, and just looking at some of that archival footage will never stop the imagination gears turning. And I think should something like Disclosure Day ever happen, that a film like this makes it just a little bit easier for it to actually happen. I just I think this is a worthy addition to his films that he's made. And again, I think we're really spoiled that he decided to do something that's so self-indulgent because so many of us want to believe, and he's somebody that helps us believe when he when he's doing what he does, when he makes something from his heart. So it's great. What are your final thoughts? Anything? I know you usually 3D print something. Did you 3D print something this way? I 3D printed something.
SPEAKER_01This one was hard to figure out. Show me, show me. Well, hang on, let me let me explain. This was hard to figure out what to 3D print. I could do an alien, but since we don't really get to see very much close-ups of the aliens and and kind of any particulars, I didn't want to to just pick any random aliens, so I picked something from Close Encounters, and I thought this would be very much a an honor to close encounters of the third time. So I printed The Devil's Tower. Since he he spent most of the movie trying to shape it out of mashed potatoes or clay or dirt, you know, I thought this would be fantastic. And if you want this 3D print, all you got to do is comment in the uh, you know, on our feed and and let us know, and we will pick somebody out of the comments to to receive this Jim, the Devil's Tower.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna ask you something since you since you have the Devil's Tower there, and you were mentioning spending a lot of the film trying to recreate this image that he had and said, I know this, I know this. Have you ever done something on the level that he did where he starts putting plants and trees and bushes through the window and shovels and stuff, and your significant other is just like, I don't know how much more I can take of this, Nathan. And I feel like that's a daily thing with okay, fair. That's fair. That's fair. I guess the question I have is how far are you willing to go for that thing that you just need to get done?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think she she would agree that there's even either zero or a hundred, there's no in between. So if I'm set on something, I'm gonna do it. Yes. I but thankfully, she you know, she hasn't left me, so I don't have to go with the aliens.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna leave it at there. We're gonna leave it at there. I definitely believe in following your heart no matter what other people say. So there's a little bit of uh Richard Dreyfus in me, too, I suppose. What are your any final thoughts? Any last words that you want to share with our wonderful viewing audience who's taking the time to listen to our discussion on disclosure day and close encounters.
SPEAKER_01Well, with that ending, I hope there is more to it. I hope there's a disclosure day too or a continuation of the story. I I felt like we were left on a cliffhanger, and now I want more.
SPEAKER_00I we should make our own UFO doc and see what we should. We should. Oh, yes. Oh, this is the start of something zero a hundred, baby. Let's do it. All right, you'll find us next time from Devil's Tower in Wyoming. Yeah, absolutely. We we should actually go there. No, we should go. We should.
SPEAKER_01We you know, we we were, you know, when Jay and I were coming back from uh Las Vegas in Super Nintendo for Super Nintendo Quest, we actually went through Wyoming, and that was one of the places that I was like hoping we would pass. We didn't we didn't go past Devil's Tower, but it wasn't too far away. And uh if we weren't trying to we may have stopped a few few places to to check some things out, but uh yeah, we need to go to Devil's Tower. All right, I know somebody in in Wyoming we can go visit.
SPEAKER_00I like it. We're gonna have to probe them. Not probe them, but like ask them questions. That would be weird. Okay. Good good catch. We will see you next time. If you're watching us here, you know where to watch us next time. Um one of your hosts, Rob McCallum, and that's me signing off. And for my good friend, Nathan the Tater Slayer. Bye, everybody. And remember, listen you are. Listen to what? My mixtape?
SPEAKER_01Okay, uh, yeah, that ending. Yeah, I it just it it left me, it left me wanting more. You didn't listen then, Nathan. I was listening. I wanted, I wanted to hear more. Put your freaking ears on, man.
