How To Identify The Thoughts That Cage You

A move across town can look simple on the outside, but it can expose everything underneath: our need for safety, our fear of change, and the stories we keep repeating to ourselves. We start with the real-life details of moving in with a partner, then use that transition to talk about what actually makes a new season feel stable, not scary. 

From there, we get practical about personal growth and mindset. We introduce our “and-one” framework, where the “and” is acceptance and readiness, not a rushed timeline. Then we walk through step one: identifying limiting beliefs. We describe those beliefs as bars in a cage, and we show you how to find them through patterns, complaints, and everyday self-talk, including why phrases like “it is what it is” can quietly train your brain to give up. 

We also connect the psychology to neuroscience by breaking down neural pathways and why repeated thoughts can become a mental superhighway. Along the way, we model the work in real time, including beliefs about responsibility for other people’s emotions and beliefs that once provided safety but no longer serve who we are now. If you’ve been craving more freedom, more creativity, and more agency, this gives you a clear starting point. 

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Transcript

Moving In And Mapping LA

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Welcome back.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Here we are, another week. This is so exciting.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

Very exciting. How was your week?

SPEAKER_00 0:18

My week was good, you know. Just uh what are you doing? Had a lot of shoots. So we had a lot of I had two shoots for McDonald's actually, doing some production for them. So that was really fun. And uh working on the just working on the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Anything else?

SPEAKER_00 0:32

I'm moving.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

Oh, say more about that.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

I am moving in with my partner. It's a big step for us.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

Oh, that's so wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Yes. And for him, it's a bigger move. He's coming from Hollywood into the valley. He's I've got I'm getting him to the valley. And then, but for me, it's only like a mile down the road.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Well, so for those of us who are not, or for those viewers and listeners who don't know where the valley is in relation to Hollywood, tell us. Is it do you drive uh over Mulholland Drive?

SPEAKER_00 0:59

So Laurel Canyon.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

Okay, what is that?

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Laurel Canyon is a is a windy, beautiful road that can take you from Hollywood all the way over the hill into the valley where I currently reside, which is North Hollywood. When you're on the 101 freeway and you pass the Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Which is the Hollywood Freeway.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Sorry to interrupt. Yes, yes. When you're on the Hollywood Freeway and you're you're coming, you're going north of Hollywood and you pass Universal Studios.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

And then behind you you see the Hollywood sign and and all that, and then you go kind of into this bowl.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

And in this bowl is the valley. North Hollywood is really the first. The first one that you hit in the valley, and that's where I am. So right on the right on the cusp there into Hollywood.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Is it near the Hollywood Bowl Amphitheater?

SPEAKER_00 1:39

So that is still considered Hollywood. But it's the 101, the Hollywood Freeway entrance ramp. To get to North Hollywood is right by the Hollywood Bowl.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Which is one of my favorite venues in Los Angeles. Oh, it's so fabulous. Nice. But then yeah, you go over the hill about four miles, and then you get to my my neck of the woods in North Hollywood and so yeah, the movie, which is always a stressful time, but we're doing all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

Did you set any ground rules on the movie?

SPEAKER_00 2:01

So, not so much ground rules as a as a really uh detailed schedule. I am an expert mover. I'm embarrassed to admit that I have been in Los Angeles 15 years and I have moved 13 times.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Oh, how fabulous. So you don't stay put too long and then get bored.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

No, it's so I am which we kind of share this in common. We both do not like to be bored, and I have lived in all over Los Angeles County just to like see what parts of it I like and also just trying different roommates, living by myself, you know, whatever. And I always end up back in the valley. I just like something about it feels I think familiar to where I'm from, which is Indiana. Uh there's some it's a little slower paced than being in the hustle and bustle of Hollywood. Where I work uh throughout the week is Hollywood. So I get to work in in the hustle and bustle, but then I can go back and have a little more peace and quiet.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Well,

Fear Of Boredom And Readiness

SPEAKER_03 2:49

so speaking of boredom, yeah, which you referenced, but um the viewers and the listeners don't know that we were talking before two s two podcasts ago.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Yeah.

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What are our fears?

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

Right? And so I'm going to add to what I said last week.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Oh, yes, please.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

Which is that people are motivated to change because of pain or love, but I'm gonna add fear as another one. Okay. Okay, so I shared with Alex about two weeks ago that I have a fear.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

And you remembered. I remember.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

So the fear of being bored, right? Maybe that's why I have maybe that's why I have different careers because I get tired after one and want to have a new challenge.

SPEAKER_04 3:32

Yeah.

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But what I will say to those watching and listening is this adventure of snapping out of limiting beliefs is an adventure and it's not boring.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Yeah.

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And as humans traveling the planet, storms come.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Definitely.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

And so being able to uh not get constrained and understand what our physiological needs are, what our safety and security needs are, what our love and belongingness needs are, like in Maslow's hierarchy of needs, yeah, yeah, enables us to then ground and get some stability so that we can go on to self-actualize and become the best version of ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

So that's what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

That is what I'm doing. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

And knowing what you knowing yourself, 100% what you need in order physiologically to feel good, yeah. And what you need in order to feel safe. So have you, let's just be really practical here on the safety issue. What have you implemented on this new transition in your life in order to feel safe? Because you're moving into a whole new world, a whole new transition.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yeah, I think cohabitating with anyone is always an adjustment, but doing it with a romantic partner is it's a serious step. And neither of us take that lightly. I will say for me, uh, to get to the point where I felt like this was the right move, I have a list of standards that I set for myself and my partner, what I was looking for in a partner.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

He has exceeded that list, so it was pretty easy as far as that goes to feel ready to move in. But there are also practical things like making sure financially it makes sense for both of us that we um I'll be really honest, like I I don't I intend to be with this person for the long haul, but life happens. Like you can't predict, you know, and no one intends to get into anything to end it. Right. But having a partner where you can be honest and talk about that, like, hey, of course our intentions are to make this thing work, but what if it doesn't? Like living together is a really good test to see how you are in the long haul. And so in within that, it was also like, could either of us afford this place on our own if if it didn't work out and one of us had to leave.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

So that's a safety net that you've implemented.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Yes. So that was part of our stipulation. If we had you know a lot of criteria and finding the right place, and it came together so seamlessly that it just feels very aligned.

SPEAKER_03 5:54

But you've implemented without even knowing the and, you've implemented the and, and one, and two, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Safety and security. You have planned whether or not each of you can afford the place on your own financially. That's safety and security. Love and belongingness is taken care of because you have a fabulous relationship, and so then you're moving on. If you ascribe to Maslow, I'm not promoting Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I'm just saying that this is one way to sort of govern how and look at and assess where we are in our lives.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

100%. Wow, you're right. Yes. I love this organic way of the flooding.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

Yeah, and and those of you who are viewing and listening, please include your what you've done to help lay the groundwork as you move into your transition because we're doing this is a journey that we're doing together. We're climbing a mountain. You know, coming from the south, I used to say mountain.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Mountain?

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Mountain.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Mountain.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

Not like that. That sounds like a twang. Try harder. You're an actor. Mountain, like a southern drawl.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Mountain.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

Perfect. Okay. So when I was at UCLA, I went on a ski trip with my sorority sisters. And I won't name their names, but you all know who you are. We're meeting next week in Tucson, Arizona. All right. So I'm sitting on the chairlift. I'm born and raised in Atlanta, so I don't say I just said Atlanta. Atlanta, but it's Atlanta if you're from there. Atlanta. Correct. Okay. We talked about this in season one. You said it. So I am on the ski lift behind them and I yell up the mountain to the people that are in the chairlift in front of us. I mean, of course that's obnoxious anyway. You don't yell in a ski resort.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

So I yell to my my friend, I'll see you at the top of the mountain. And I realize you can't say mmm when you're yelling.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

That doesn't Oh, it doesn't, you the volume, it isn't there.

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I'll see.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

So now I say mountain.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Mountain. But I still say Atlanta. Atlanta. Well, that's the roots. So if you're just tuning in, this is your first time listening to this podcast, highly encourage you to check out the episode right before this where we do the and the anticipation two-step one.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Um, two-step one. Two-step.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Two-step one.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

But definitely stick around, but for sure listen to that if this is your first time tuning in. And we're I'm really excited to dive in. Let's get into

The And-One Framework Explained

SPEAKER_00 8:07

it.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

Okay, so what we're talking about is an interactive uh teaching methodology by which I exhort you. In other words, we don't set a formal agenda, it's not a step-by-step structure. Even though there are steps, some steps may pivot to a different step depending on you, the listener and the viewer, and what you want to hear. So it's important to me and to us that the takeaway from this podcast is that you eventually feel and experience the freedom that both Alex and I have felt after having gone through difficult seasons and learned how to get through them so that we can experience joy and peace on the other side. Yes. And if it feels like the light at the end of the tunnel is not coming or that you can't see it, stay with us because we're gonna stay with you as well. Yes. As a mountain Sherpa climbs the mountain and the mountaineer, mountain ear, I don't know if that's a word, right? Yeah, regardless, watch out because storms are coming, there's potential avalanches. You want to make sure you have the right gear, so stay with us, and we will help through the storms of life. Because you can't walk on the planet without having s experienced some sort of storm through which you can apply these tools and make it. Absolutely. Okay. All right, so step one, identify the beliefs in your mind. Those are the bars.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Those are the bars.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

Okay, so picture a gilded cage.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Or it doesn't have to be gilded, it can just be a cage. Like, but I'm seeing like a birdcage, a gold one with the dome kind of top. Right. I'm with you. So and the bars of the cage, let's say they're made of iron.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Okay, but that imprisons the person inside. Right. So if you can imagine that your belief system in your mind, which I'm not gonna, there's we're not condemning a belief system, but a belief system can be a limitation, okay?

SPEAKER_04 10:04

Right.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

And so identifying the belief system that you have adopted as if it were the gospel truth is step one. And so we're gonna go the long way through this, though. I'm not just gonna say identify your beliefs, that's it, right? There are so many ways of identifying beliefs. So bars of the cage, which are the limiting beliefs both start with a letter B.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:27

Okay, and also isn't there, aren't there bars in music?

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yeah, music bars, yes.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

Okay. The bar for an attorney.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

Yes. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

I know. So there is a bar exam, which a person who passes the curriculum in law school generally takes. Sometimes you can take a bar exam without having gone to law school, but that's a different story. I know. Oh, there's certain rules. Okay. Okay. But the bar exam is generally very difficult to pass, and there's usually a smaller percentage of people who graduate from law school that can actually pass a bar exam. If a person passes the bar exam, they then become or they are able to call themselves an attorney.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

That is the thing that determines whether or not you can call yourself an attorney.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

Practice as an attorney. You can be a J D, have a jurisdictor, which is another doctor, but we don't call ourselves doctors. We call ourselves Mr. Ms. Okay. I call myself Ms. But the bar exam enables a person to then practice law and have a license to practice law. There's other requirements as well. There are ethical requirements, et cetera. But what's interesting though, and I didn't know, is that when you go into a courtroom and you walk into the galley, which is the audience, of course. I mean, you know, audience left, audience right, if you're on the stage, then the judge is generally the judge is generally up high on uh, you know, a bench. Yeah, we call it the bench, yes, and you walk through a space which separates the audience or the galley from council table. So it goes there's the doorway, you walk in, there's the audience, then there's a bar.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Oh yes. A physical bar.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

And you must have a bar card, license to practice law, to pass the bar with and you've passed the bar exam without permission. You can pass through the bar without saying, bailiff, can I come through? However, I know.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

I didn't know this.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

Listen to this. So there's council table. I didn't know it either.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

There's counsel table where counsel sits to argue or stands, whatever. And then there's the well, which is a space between council table and the bench. And the bench is usually seated higher.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

This is the space where you see, like in movies and TVs where the lawyers are walking around.

SPEAKER_03 12:41

Do you know that you have to ask permission to walk into the well?

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

The very first trial I was standing in for a associate attorney and it was a murder trial. Okay. Now I'm a family law attorney. I don't handle criminal law that much. I do quasi-criminal. That's a different story. But I was there with a uh defendant who was in the area by the well where there's like a wall and they're seated. So the bench wasn't sitting on the judge was not on the bench. I call the judge's bench officers. Okay. Um he wasn't sitting there, but I had to go speak to the defendant. And so I did. And then I turned around and started to try to walk through the well, thinking it didn't matter, even though I know better, you don't

Bars Of The Cage And Courtroom Bars

SPEAKER_03 13:21

walk through the well unless you get permission. Permission to approach. You have to say permission to approach. But the bench wasn't sitting there.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

Okay, okay. Right? But it doesn't matter? No.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Apparently not, because the bailiff was like, Counsel, you can't go through the well. I said, Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

I know. So the bars of the cage that we're talking about are the bars of the belief system, the mind. Now I want you to think about your mind also having literal physical bars.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

Okay. And the bars are surrounding the freedom that you can have with freedom of thought because you believe a certain thing. Okay. So now how do I identify a belief system? Tell me a belief that you were taught in whatever uh circumstance that you no longer believe is true.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

There's quite a few, but I think one that stands out is being in Los Angeles for a number of years really believed that I was not talented enough to get above a certain point of success.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

And it took me a very long time. But I know it's just your belief.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

That was the belief.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

I believed, coming from Atlanta, that those people out there, it was a land of fruits and nuts. Have you ever heard that expression?

SPEAKER_00 14:28

About Atlanta?

SPEAKER_03 14:29

About California.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Oh, fruits and nuts? No, I haven't. You haven't? No.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

And that's intended to be derogatory.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Like hippie d I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

But it was a derogatory. You know what? Let me tell you what. I love fruits and nuts, and let me tell you why. James Spader in Blacklist has a great quote. He says, If ifs and buts were fruits and nuts, oh what a Christmas we'd have. Wow. Now I'm giving credit to the source. Ifs and buts. So uh I like to use ifs and buts when I'm practicing law. If this happens, what do I do? But what if this happens, right? Yeah. Ifs and buts. But I have a colleague who's like, I'm not tolerating that. Stop with your speculation, counsel, that psycho babble, blah, blah, blah, blah. But let me tell you, with a triple threat, knowing that ifs and buts help because you have anticipated every possible scenario. It's like having a dress rehearsal three or four times before you actually go to the show.

SPEAKER_04 15:21

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

The show would be the courtroom appearance. Okay, yes. Yes. And as far as psycho babble goes, are you kidding? The nonverbal behavior that I see in the courtroom is basically ticker tape across the forehead of the person that is thinking something.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

So having the ability to not only have the performance background, but also the um the uh psychological background helps me as an attorney, and I want it to be able to help the viewer. So now we're identifying beliefs. So it is not the case that California is uh the land of fruits and nuts because that's a derogatory term. Right. Fruits and nuts are great. Okay. What's another belief that you no longer believe, but that you were told in some time of your past or you thought I would never be able to afford the car that I want.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

And now I know.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

That's enough. One step at a time. Okay, here's another one. What do you complain about? And to the viewer, what do you complain about to your friends? I never do this, I never have this, this keeps happening to me over and over.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

I'm never gonna be able to this.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

That is a belief. Okay. We're not even at the step where we identify the source yet.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Okay. Yeah. We're just identifying the belief. So for those of you watching and listening, I know it's a pain, but please either write down at least one belief that you have or be able to access at least one belief so that we can work with that. Okay. Now I'm gonna think of one for me.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Because this is not rehearsed.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

This is meant to be an interactive process. Uh I used to believe that a certain other wasn't as good as I.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Oh, that's a big one.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

They are not me.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Okay. The other.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

The other.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

All right. And so I'm doing a bunch of quantum physics, quantum mechanics research for the benefit of you all. And um, there's a philosophy and a belief system that all is one, right? We're all part of source and that we all are interacting and we're different facets, all interacting and experiencing the world as one, right? Yes. Now I don't have uh the jury's out for me still on whether all of that is accurate. I'm processing it, but I will say the belief that there is the other is a limiting belief. Why is it a limiting belief?

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Because it keeps you separate. Separate. Yeah. A limiting belief is something that keeps you. I mean, to me, maybe I'm off, but it's that limiting belief. Yeah. That yes. And it also feels a little like control and superiority. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

Right. So we're gonna be breaking down some bars in uh your mind. Okay, what keeps happening to me? Why does this keep happening to me? Remember we talked last time about why not me? Why me versus why not me? Yeah. Okay, what keeps happening to you?

SPEAKER_00 18:21

What keeps happening to you? Um, you know it's funny. I actually did express this exact thing out loud on my commute to work last week. Okay. Why do I keep hitting every red light? Why do why is traffic always bad no matter what time of day I try to time getting to where I'm trying to go?

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Well, I don't know, that might be a true belief because it's LA. No, no, no, no, but it let's use it. We're gonna use it, okay?

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Well, I will say that in in saying it, the work that I've done, I'm able to recognize it right away and be like, okay, if this is how it is, this is how it is. Am I trying to ruin my day by being in a bad mood or just accept that this is what it is?

SPEAKER_03 18:58

I know, but I do not like the expression, it is what it is. Oh, you don't? It is not what it is. It is it is what we create. Please don't say it is what it is anymore. That is so pessimistic. You cannot say it.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

It's defeatist. Correct. You're right, it is defeatist.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

And we're snapping out of that belief. But we just you we should write. I know. Well, and I'm not sure exactly why people say it. I have someone that used to be very important to me in my life. Like we were together for a really long time. Take a guess. Anyway, it is what it is. It's almost like it's a cool thing to say. It is not a cool thing to say.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

That's a limiting belief.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

It's another negative talk.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

Correct. It's a limiting belief. It's a bar. So just add a bar to your cage.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Why do I keep attracting uh such certain type of person?

SPEAKER_00 19:46

And this was a big one for me. This was a big one for me. Hello.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

Right?

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Okay, but maybe I'm not attracting that person. Maybe that person is targeting me. Let's change that belief.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Wow, totally.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

I know. So we're not on the change the belief system part yet.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

We're still on what is the limiting belief. So now I'm gonna just ask you what do you think about yourself or about your situation on a regular basis? And those are some ways of identifying your belief.

SPEAKER_04 20:17

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

So what do you complain about with your friends? What cycle do you find yourself in? I keep having this type of partner, I keep doing this at work, etc. etc. Right? Okay. So identifying the belief. Now that's that we're done now. We can end season two, episode three.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Thank you so much for tuning in.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

We uh we're done here. No, I'm gonna keep going.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

I need to find another good example. I'm so stupid. I'll never get it, I'll never make that kind of money. I could never do what she does, comparing yourself to others. So beliefs can either be first person pronoun, which is using the word I.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

It can also be using the word you. So I want you to be aware, and this is coming from my legal background. As attorneys, we are in an adversarial role. And part of the job, unfortunately, and I don't agree necessarily with this approach, but in family court, it's a civil court. So um it comes from an adversarial birth, uh, adversarial roots. And so there's a lot of finger pointing. Now, in a finger pointing statement, the very first word is generally you. So if you, our viewer, use the word you in describing another person or oneself, telling talking to oneself, uh, then that's another limiting belief. Now, here's a here's a skill and a technique, even though we're not moving into techniques yet. But one of the identifying beliefs is to listen to one's self talk, a person's self talk.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Really observe yourself.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Really observe your belief system and what you're saying to yourself. I saw this really cute clip. It was in my phone. I had taken a picture of it. It said, Don't you don't always have to believe what you think.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Simple but so profound. I know, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

So pay attention to the thoughts that are coming. Those are your beliefs.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Ah, yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

Okay.

Spotting Beliefs Through Complaints

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Now, this goes into neural pathways. So this segues into neural pathways. N-E-U-R-A-L. These are pathways between neurons that happen in the brain.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Now we only really know a lot about uh neural pathways and neuroscience in the past um half a century because we have MRI technology, magnetic resonance imaging to be able to view the brain. Okay. Okay. And so one thing that we know now in science is that when a neuron fires from one uh neurotransmitter, and I'm not an expert on this, I'm just doing the best I can to the next, it creates a neural pathway. Okay, so the way I explain this, and again, I'm not a scientist, I'm just a ginger griffin snapping out. But the way I understand this is a neural pathway is like a footpath. Like, you know, when you walk through a forest and there's like a little teeny trail that's super narrow that some little critter has right? So that'd be like a footpath. That's a little small neural pathway. Okay. However, so that's a belief if you have a belief like that. However, if you spend another day thinking the same thing, another day thinking the same thing, and then a year, and then two years, and then five years, you've got a super highway.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

So you were talking earlier about driving in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

How many lanes do we have on the freeway in LA?

SPEAKER_00 23:32

It is eight.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

I don't know. I was on my way to the Bay Area. I went to the San Francisco, I have a um office in San Francisco as well, and I was driving, uh getting ready to go over the Bay Bridge.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

And they're like 16 lanes.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, it's massive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

And I thought, oh my gosh, I'm glad I don't have, I don't think, I haven't identified any new neural pathways that have become a 16-lane superhighway where I'm ingrained in that thought pattern.

unknown 23:57

It's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

So uh neural pathways can become very strong beliefs if we listen to our own thoughts, the thoughts that may or may not be true, long enough. So a lifetime of believing that the other is not as good as what me or I can create a really, really strong belief system that's almost impossible to break down. And that's why I use the analogy of a cage, because you can have so many neural pathways, so many bars that you almost have a cement wall around you rather than a fabulous cage that you can see out of. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_04 24:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

And so it's an exercise. It's sometimes it's difficult to sit down with a piece of paper and a pen or use your phone and go into the notes section and say, I believe this. Yeah. Right. But this is where the witness or the support person can call you out on it. Now that would be, listen, that's where you have an accountability partner. So right now, in this episode, we're talking about beliefs. Beliefs are what we have, our thoughts in our mind. When we get to the emotions section, we're not gonna have an accountability partner. We're gonna have a shoulder-to-shoulder companion that puts their arms around us and says, It's okay, I'm here, I'm here. Not even it's okay, because that is also an expectation. I hate it when people say it's gonna be okay. When there's a crisis, yeah. You don't know that. Don't tell me that. Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 25:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

So we will get to that point. But right now, having the accountability partner with regard to how we think is an effective tool in our toolbox of climbing that mountain. Yeah. So ask your partner to help you if you say something that doesn't resonate. Wait a minute, what do you mean? Right?

SPEAKER_04 25:43

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:43

Bring it up and you put it down, either write it down or try to remember it because as we move forward together in Triple Threat, Ginger, Griffin Snaps out, everyone snaps out. We will be walking through and referring to our belief systems and then hopefully making a change with the beliefs that we want to change. Okay. And we will choose to make those changes when we realize that we come to believe that our lives are unmanageable and that we need to change, or when we hurt, or when we have a love interest, or when we decide to love ourselves, or not be bored and have the adventure of the lifetime by living uh freed freely.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Yeah. And is that in doing so, that's creating new neuropathways.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

Yes, 100%. Yes, and I was washing dishes yesterday. Okay, and I heard an old belief from when I was young, and I just blew it up with an atomic bomb, but I was surprised it was there.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

And it was a bad one. It was something I was taught that is completely wrong and it's denigrating. And I thought, how dare I think that? But you know what? I didn't think it. It was planted.

SPEAKER_04 26:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

It was not an original thought, and I believed it because for years it was reinforced over and over and over. So it's still there. It's a teeny tiny little. Can you imagine a teeny little neuron hobbling to the other neural pathway, saying that this belief in my this former thought in my mind, it dared crop its ugly little head up? Exactly. So I knocked it out. This is where we get to the radical acceptance of oneself, radical forgiveness of oneself. I I am not responsible for that. Negative programming. It's okay that it happened to me, but I love and care about myself enough to know that I can snap out of that false belief and into freedom. And that sets other people free as well. The people that are condemned by those ridiculous accusatory thoughts.

unknown 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

It's not to say that I haven't been accusatory toward others on my own of my own volition. Of course I have. There's another theater reference. Yes. Okay. So the identification of the beliefs is step one. Alex, going back to the and.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Yes. What was the and the and was you have to be ready. That's right. You have to accept where you're at, whatever the whatever the challenge may be, and that is your indicator that you are ready now for step one.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Very good. And we use the and in our communication. And I'm gonna do this and this, and it's a transition, right? And yeah. So, and we talked about and one, and two, right? Some choreography does starts the movement on the and rather than the one. Okay.

Neural Pathways And Accountability Partners

SPEAKER_00 28:32

I do have a question. Yes. Because I know a lot of times from my personal experience dealing with personal growth and you know, challenging my own limiting beliefs and reprogramming. I'm rel I'm a pretty patient person, but I'm impatient when it comes to typically impatient when it comes to matters that I feel as though I have control over. So for instance, in starting self-development, I was like, okay, I just want to be a year from now. Can we just be at a year from now? Knowing full well that you can't just jump a year from now, right? But I was obsessed with the idea of uh my the leaders in this group uh for the first couple weeks, I'd be like, so, so like about how long should I start feeling until I start feeling this? Or and as as a viewer or listener, you may be wondering, like, okay, but how long is the and before the one? Can you speak to that?

SPEAKER_03 29:18

Like what it because Oh time isn't time okay, so yes, yes, I can.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Okay, please.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

It's not linear. This is a gestalt, it things happen in a manner that's supposed to happen. Getting prepared and getting ready could take for a long time it could take a long time, it could be a moment.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

An epiphany moment, yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

And um yeah, time is really not the issue here. The issue is readiness and being willing to change.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

So there is a component to this where you you gotta you have to have grace with yourself because it it could take you a second before you can get into step one. It may not be it may not be a week from listening to last week's episode to this one. Um but I just wanted to touch on that because I know that sometimes when this is all if this is new to you, you're hearing this for the first time, hearing having like a timeline is helpful. But this in this particular case, there isn't really a timeline. It is it is about self and when you truly are accepting of where you are to be able to go into step one.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

Correct. Okay. And even learning the material and choosing not to do it for another decade, you've got it.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

Yes. There's no judgment, it could be uh on your timeline. And time really uh uh who knows if I know time I mean, look at wormholes.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

I know. You and I are on this like side quest of quantum physics and stuff where it's it's like we're we're touching on it, but it is a big conversation.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

We should bring a guest uh scientist. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

Okay, okay, okay. Sorry, I didn't mean to throw you off.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

I just a great question. Because um, everyone should not place judgment on their progress either. There's no condemnation.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Well, that was what I had to realize. Radical self-love. Yes. Yes, it was oh, it took me a couple weeks in that program to be like part of this acceptance is accepting that there is no time frame to this self-journey.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Right. It'll happen when it's supposed to. Just like the podcast. Remember, we started talking about it and we waited because we knew that the universe hadn't opened the doors yet as far as timing, and then boom, all the synchronicities came when we were ready. Right. So yeah, that's a good point. But the radical self-love of complete forgiveness toward oneself with regard to this process is a really key element. And so that's part of getting ready for step one is to really love oneself, have those physiological needs met. I mean, really have the physiological needs met, be safe, yeah, have some support system to help you with the love and belongingness, and then you'll be ready to move into the steps. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Okay, sorry. Thank you, thank you for that tangent. Well, don't apologize.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

So, why did you say sorry? Let's talk about that.

unknown 31:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

What did you believe that I didn't needed to say sorry for?

SPEAKER_00 31:56

I was worried that I was throwing you off of your flow.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

So, what was your thought, not your worry? What was the thought?

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Oh no, she's gonna be stressed that we diverted from the order of things.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Okay, interesting. Jin Ginger will be stressed because we diverted from the order of things. Think about that for a second. First of all, are you responsible for whether or not I'm stressed? Yes or no?

SPEAKER_04 32:18

No.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Thank you. No, no, excuse me. Move to strike anything that you were gonna say. Okay, this were my cross-examination techniques. Okay, so therefore, you're not responsible for whether I'm stressed. True. We are identifying a belief that Alex is responsible for someone else's stress. Yeah. Okay. And that may have come from a previous relationship, it may have come from being a young boy and somebody was stressed. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:44

The same thing's gonna happen to me, I'm sure, in this podcast, and I'm gonna be vulnerable because we're gonna identify something for me, and that's part of what we're doing. We're modeling it for you guys. You guys are not in front of a camera. You get to be in the privacy of your own space. Maybe we'll drag you in. Yeah. We already said we're not gonna say your name, but if you want to give permission for us to say your name, then tell us and we will. But please interact and give us your beliefs that come to you as we go through this process together because it's very vulnerable and we're being authentic. Okay, so I see you. Okay, I'm worried that she'll be stressed because we go off the script, but we know, okay, so let's let's we identified the false belief that you're responsible for my emotions. Right. So now you've identified that false belief. As we go through the podcast, we will work with that. Okay. Now, here's my belief, whether it's true or false. Okay, my belief is that the audience won't like me as a human being because now I'm being real to people I can't control.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Now, as a dancer, as a dancer, I was not, I mean, I've performed in front of millions of people when I was in the opening ceremonies of the Olympics in '96. There were millions in the audience. I was front and center. It was great. So as a dancer, I am a different person. I'm a different c character when I'm on stage performing. As a litigator, I don't care if the other side likes me or doesn't. I hope they don't, basically, sometimes because that means I'm winning. Unless they can be extremely civil and we can like each other and they go to lunch after one of us has the victory. And that does happen, actually. Okay. And then um, when it comes to my friendships and the people with whom I have a community, they like me. Those who don't like me are not part of my life, and I've dealt with that. And please watch season one of deal with rejection. You have to be able to deal with rejection. We're gonna come back to that. But the idea of having an audience who um may or may not like the fact that I'm a lawyer or that I wear my hair a certain way, or that I tap the table with my hand, or that I'm obnoxious, or whatever, I'm telling people what to do, that causes me fear. And I didn't think I was really afraid of not being liked, but it came up last week or excuse me, two weeks ago. Let's go back to those bars and why the bars in our minds of the false beliefs or the beliefs that we've had sometimes for an entire lifetime.

SPEAKER_04 35:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

Those bars have kept us safe. You didn't know I was gonna say safe, did you?

SPEAKER_00 35:12

No, no.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

We've been imprisoned by them, but they've served a purpose.

unknown 35:16

Wow.

Beliefs That Kept You Safe

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Now, think of a belief that kept you safe. Here's one of mine. If I walk through that dark alley at this time of day, I will be mugged.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

Uh right?

SPEAKER_03 35:24

Okay, yeah. That might not be true.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

One time I was walking through a dark alley in Westwood.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

I was with a friend, and here came a man walking down the alley, wearing a wearing a baseball hat, dark, turned down, a bandana over his face. Oh my gosh. No, listen to this. It's a fabulous story. Dark jacket, leather jacket, black leather jacket, hands in the pocket, but with my fabulous dancing skills, I recognized his walk.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

It was Michael Jackson. So he walked past, and I was so thrilled because he's such a fabulous dancer. And I yeah, exactly. It was a thrilling night. It was a thriller. It was such a thriller. But it was Westwood. I was in uh school at the time at UCLA, and there was there were video stores back then.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Do you know what a video store is? Of course I do. I miss those.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Right. So he was going to rent a movie. So I went in and I was like to the person behind the desk, do you realize that's of course they knew it was Michael Jackson. I mean, all that all the time, right? So anyway, I got his autograph. I mean, I'm such a fan. Like that's such a dumb thing to do. Like, so he was sweet?

SPEAKER_02 36:35

He was really sweet.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

I said, it's nice to meet you. And he said, it's nice to meet you too. I'll never forget it.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

That's amazing. Thank you for not mugging me in this way.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

See?

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

So that is an example of how our false beliefs, which have kept us safe, as a young woman, as a college student at UCLA, uh, walking through the campus, we would have campus security sometimes take us because bad things happen to good people or bad people. If you want to call me bad, I don't mind. But the idea that a belief system has kept me safe. And then I acted on that belief system, which was no longer applicable when it was Michael Jackson walking down the alley.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

Right.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

Um, and I, by the way, he had a bug's bunny on his leather jacket. Oh, that's cool. So, and I've used his um techniques. The rumor among the choreographers is that Michael Jackson would run something, like run through it a hundred times.

unknown 37:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

So I used to do that when I danced for the NBA. I would run it over and over until it was again, again, again. Yes. Yes. So um, because of that, I mean, he was an excellent performer, in my opinion. So, anyway, the beliefs did keep us safe, but then they no longer serve us. So, can you, Alex, think of a belief? And I know I'm putting you on the spot that we haven't rehearsed this or run it. We haven't run this.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

We haven't run this now.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

From the top. What belief do you have from your past that kept you safe as a younger person than you are today, that no longer serves you? And I'll start with mine.

SPEAKER_04 38:10

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

I cannot have a law office in Northern California and Southern California because that man who told me that he couldn't do it, then I can't do it either. That belief doesn't serve me. It could have kept me safe. I could have prevented the risk of failure. Yeah, but no, I snapped out of that immediately. And we talk about that in season one. Yeah. Okay, so now I've stalled for you long enough. Go. I was and you can let us know, by the way. We do welcome interactions.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Please.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

I was raised very in a very religious household.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

Okay, and we're not gonna shade any religion, so it was just religious, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Religious. But for me personally, when I moved out to Los Angeles, I I was I fully believed if I stopped the cadence of going to church every Sunday that I would lose all sense of self and I wouldn't be the kind empathetic human that I believed was because of my church upbringing was who I was. Okay. So for five years I didn't miss a Sunday going to church out in LA.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

We're not gonna be political in any way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

This was back in 2010.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Now, how did that belief keep you safe? So going to church kept you uh milk and cookies? Is that what you mean? How did it keep you safe?

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Well, it gave me a sense of normalcy out there.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

So there we are with the Maslow's hierarchy again.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Yeah, exactly. Yes, it was safe and stability.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

Safety and stability.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

It was familiar because you can go to uh same denomination. It was the same denomination of the church I was going to in Indiana. So very familiar feelings inside of that building, right? Yes. What doesn't serve me anymore is that wasn't true. I am still who I am outside of going to a building, a church building.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

Right. So but the belief was that something outside of you made you valuable or made the qualities that you naturally have you're not responsible for that. Correct, correct. And so now what belief have you replaced with the false belief that you get your kindness from an outside source?

SPEAKER_00 40:10

I in moving more into spirituality rather than religion, I realize that I myself hold the power to be the person that I want to be. And the person that I am is the same person that I was when I was going to church. It wasn't church that made me that. I am that.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Yes. Okay, and as we fast forward all the way to the very end of season two, and we have self-actualized like Maslow's hierarchy, and we've really gotten into who we are at our core, and we're actually starting to create, then you will have experienced freedom like what Alex has experienced, the mountaintop of freedom, and to be able to create. So that's really part of the aspect of freedom that we're talking about. In addition, I have been able to create by creating this content, which is a sense of freedom for me. I had to do a lot of work to get here. And the the aspect of creativity and to be able to create is an essential part of who we are as human beings.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Absolutely, yes.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Because we are co-creators with source. Yes. And depending on whether a person uh believes in God or um Hashem or the other religions, I don't even know them all, right? Yeah, but whatever the Buddha, Mohammed, higher power, higher power, source. I'm not an expert on all of this, right? But I do believe that we all have the ability to be free, which is agency. I believe that each of us have fought hard to be able to have agency, and that by the very nature of living on the planet, we uh adopt certain belief systems which limit us and put us in bars or cages. And that those cages can keep us safe, but then they sometimes no longer serve their purpose. And so, like your belief system did not serve its purpose anymore, you were able to abandon that belief and open the spread those bars to the cage, open and fly out.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Now we talked about a little bit about the importance of being grounded in going through the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, in having a witness or a support person. It is really critical as we move forward that you are able to be grounded, in other words, stable and secure.

SPEAKER_04 42:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

Okay. So because you waited until after you had been here for a while and you were physiologically meeting your needs. Yes. You had safety and security.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

You were grounded, and and grounding is an interesting term too, because there's a whole concept called earthing.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Okay, you're familiar?

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Oh, yeah. Go outside, take your shoes off, put your feet in the dirt, in the yes, and get the energy from the earth.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

So that whole concept, I I'm not an expert on that either, but the word grounding in our language can really impact change.

SPEAKER_04 43:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:17

So um the bars were supposed to keep us safe, they stopped serving their purpose. We need to be able to move out of whatever is no longer serving us. Yeah. And so this is not to condemn. So this is where we go back to self-love and self-forgiveness. We don't condemn the false thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:36

We observe them. That's called metacognition, thinking about our thinking. And that's another season or another podcast that we'll talk about later. But it's really important as you identify your beliefs that you don't judge yourself for having them. Uh, don't believe everything you think.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

Yeah. Yeah, there it is again. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

And uh, and then as you radically self accept and radically love yourself, then we'll be ready to move on. To step two.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Yeah.

Turning Pain Into A Key

SPEAKER_03 44:01

Okay?

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:07

Alex, it's really important to me to share what I have gone through, and I will do that in another podcast. Um, but I knew that I wasn't safe in my cage. I felt it, I am not safe here. And so what I did is I broke the bars of that cage completely. They were iron bars. And then I took those bars and I forged a key to then give to others who are in bondage. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 44:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

And so the key that I have is made from my own pain, suffering, and loss that I'm happy to share with anyone listening, watching, so that you can use the key to turn the lock so that you don't have to break the bars of bondage in your own life. You can stand on the shoulders of someone who's experienced more pain and suffering than anyone should experience in a lifetime. And when I asked myself the question, why me? I remembered my own tool. It didn't originate with me, but it someone said it to me once. Why not me? Why not me? Why shouldn't I experience what I've experienced? And then I can use that experience, strength, and hope to benefit others, which is really the essence of being a human being on this planet. It's total freedom to be able to share what we've gone through with others and then get to the other side and have joy and peace. And every time I climb the mountain, I get to the mountain.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

Mountain.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Every time I climb that mountain, I get to see and feel the joy on other people's faces. So please let us know how it's going on your journey. Again, it's not linear. You might have already gotten all the way to the last step before I even get there. So please share with us what's going on with you.

SPEAKER_00 46:00

Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

And uh like, like, subscribe. Is that what we say? I say it.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Yeah, like and please like, subscribe, share. We again, we really, really encourage you to ask questions, jump in the conversation. We want to hear from you. Uh Ginger is excited and ready to, you know, answer questions.

SPEAKER_03 46:17

So let's review what we've talked about so far. We have and one, right? Yep, and one. So you very correctly said what the and was. So before you say it, I'll ask you all what is the and go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

The and is accepting what has happened to you, what you've experienced, and is total surrender and and means you're ready for the one.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

Very good. And that includes admitted being powerless over the situation and that one's life has become unmanageable, so you're ready to change. You may have experienced loss, you may have a new love, or you may just be bored and you're ready to move forward.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

Yeah, totally, totally. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

And what Alex is talking about with regard to acceptance is the stages of grief. The final stage is the acceptance, and then remembering Maslow's hierarchy of needs. So that's the takeaway from the ant. Okay, now I will ask the viewer and the listener what is step one? Okay, Alex.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

So then once you're into step one, you have to you're identifying the belief.

SPEAKER_03 47:17

That's exactly right. What are the bars? What do you keep saying to your friends that you're complaining about? I keep going out with the guys who won't pay for my dinner.

SPEAKER_04 47:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Like, why don't they pay for a dinner? Why don't they call me back? I have a girlfriend right now. Yeah, we went to dinner and now he hasn't called me and he's back online. Okay, well, if that keeps happening over and over, there's some belief system that you have, and let's snap out of that, right? Alex, it's more than just snapping out once. This is a lifestyle. And so we can take a week, you can take a week, you can take a month, you can take a year identifying those beliefs. And when you're ready, take steps two, we will. But guess what? What's that? We're not doing one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. We're doing and one, and two, and three, and four, and five, and six, and seven, and eight. So next time we're gonna be in an and again. Okay. So we've had and one. Now we're gonna have an and, and the and is going to be the neuroscience. Okay, stay with us. We'll make it fun and exciting. We're performers, he's a triple threat. I'm a triple threat. We look forward to seeing you next time.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Thanks so much. Take care.