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Discussing critical thinking, emotional intelligence, and the Great Plains of Kansas with my brother-in-law Noah.
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I prayed for the rain and the rain came. I've been saying that like for three days now. Especially since it's been kind of a drought in Raleigh. I walk from my car to work about 10 minutes every day. And I'm sweating easily. And I'm just wishing it would rain. The wind blows through the city, but it hits every building. And so we don't feel any of it. In the middle of nowhere. Even in a city. I can't see as many stars as I would in the middle of Kansas. I was living in Manhattan last year in July. All starting in July. Left in October. The Great Plains is probably one of the best places I've ever been. Everyone shits on Kansas, but not many people can explain it like people that have actually grown up there. But I mean, I guess I wouldn't really know how to explain it because I didn't grow up there. I just experienced three months of it in the summer. And even so, I was at a loss for words. I would go out there and it was definitely meeting God. Not not God like I guess the being that many Christians see in the sky, but God as a force. A storm, the wind, the power of the sun, the heat in the summer, animals grazing. It just all kind of stunned me over there. It was sort of stillness that I hadn't experienced before. Yet it was so wild. Definitely not something you see in the city. I'm here with my brother-in-law Noah. He's from Kansas, Republic, Kansas. That's actually the middle of nowhere. Although we were in Manhattan, Kansas when I was living with him and my sister. What was it like growing up in Republic?
SPEAKER_02I thought it was great.
SPEAKER_00Would you like me to Yeah, like how big was your class? Like your high school? High school graduating class? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Thirty-two. Oh my god. That was the only high school for the entire county.
SPEAKER_00Holy shit. How many people were in your like how big was the county, like population wise? Do you know twenty thousand people? Twenty thousand. Do you know how many cities were in the county?
SPEAKER_02Sorry, say again.
SPEAKER_00Do you know how many cities were in the county?
SPEAKER_02Four. Four. Towns, I would call them.
SPEAKER_00Towns. Yeah. Little villages.
SPEAKER_02More or less.
SPEAKER_00More or less. Yeah, I was actually talking to one of my friends the other day and I was like, yeah, my brother-in-law is from like the middle of nowhere in Kansas. His graduating class was like 50 people. Less. Smaller than that. Less. Yeah. I think it's different, like the culture out there, like Midwest obviously is different from the East Coast. Ecosystem, environment, climate, all that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean people from where I'm from are friendly. Everyone knows everybody.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Everyone you'll get stuck talking to someone for 20 minutes at the gas station. Everyone on the East Coast minds their own business.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that is about right.
SPEAKER_02Is it weird I prefer it that way? Um compared to the way I grew up. But but yeah, it's a difference.
SPEAKER_00I remember you telling me like when you guys would party, it was like out of friends like like truck bed or something like that in the middle of nowhere.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, someone shed their barn, um, throw a bonfire or party in uh one of our friends back in the day. Um they would throw parties in their dad's boat shop, essentially, or boat barn. That was probably the spot. They had a little pool. Real shitty pool, but it was fun at the same time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Are there real lakes in Kansas? Or are they are they man-made? Real lakes?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there are some real lakes. The lakes that I grew up on were all uh man-made.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I remember we were we were we would go to Tuttle Creek, which is like a man-made lake, but it was fucking massive.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, huge. Huge lake. Uh beautiful lake. Yeah. Just happens to be man-made, but it's still great.
SPEAKER_00How was the light pollution like back then compared to now?
SPEAKER_02Where at Tuttle? Or where I'm from?
SPEAKER_00I guess just in Kansas in general, like I mean it's next next to zero, I'd say.
SPEAKER_02Um, unless you're around Kansas City, which is the only real city in Kansas, I'd say.
SPEAKER_00That is pretty true. But is there has there been any like any difference throughout the years? I guess from when you grew up to when you guys just moved, like last year?
SPEAKER_02Where I grew up, it hasn't really changed at all since um when I was a child. And I don't know if it's either a good thing or a bad thing, but no. No light pollution change, no growth. Um, if anything, it's been like a it's got smaller.
SPEAKER_00Gotten smaller?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think uh I think people have moved outwards towards bigger cities. Like, so the small towns got smaller, the bigger cities got bigger, if you will.
SPEAKER_00I remember you saying something about the Great Plains, you were like, it's God's country, and that like stuck with me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think it is. Um I think Christianity's huge out there, and whether you're Christian or not, like it's uh it's in nature and it's wild and it's it's still a frontier. Uh especially like a lot of the land that my family owns being on like river valleys and natural lakes, um, and it's never been touched or settled upon, and it's still um natural as the earth was made, whether you believe in God or not. It it is it is God's country and or uh just you know the world's country. It's it's never been touched. And that's what's to admire about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, looking out there was definitely a blessing. I had never been to a place like that before. I guess something as untouched as the Great Plains would be like looking out into the ocean when you're on the coast, because when you look out into the ocean, there's like absolutely nothing ahead of you. It's just plain and it's infinite, it's endless, and it seems that way when you're you're standing before the Great Plains. But I think it's kinda cool how you were saying like maybe not much has changed in Belleville, right?
SPEAKER_02Bill Uh Republic's right. Republic, okay. Was raised. I went to high school in Belleville. Belleville, okay. Well Yeah, I mean either way, nothing's changed at either place. They're both still the same. The same people live in the same houses, same families, run the same towns, etc. etc. Yeah. It's uh and everyone knows everybody in those towns. Nothing nothing's changed. And some most people there are happy with that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, there's something about like small town culture, it's like you know everyone, it's a small community, but in a way you all have each other's backs. Correct me if I'm wrong. I disagree. You disagree?
SPEAKER_02I think uh specifically the time period where I grew up there, it was more gossip and everyone knows everybody, and it was very gossipy, and I I hated that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um part of the reason I left and will never go back.
SPEAKER_00Well, do you think it was like more like politics type of stuff?
SPEAKER_02I wouldn't even say politics. I'd say it's uh people are in each other's business because everyone knows everybody all the time. And I think it's kind of ridiculous how invested people get in other people's lives there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean I could I could say that about any place. So I I mean I would agree, but the town's small enough to where you know every single person in it, so you know every single person's business.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And uh I wasn't a fan of that. And most of the people who disagree with that kind of like way of life left, uh, myself included. Uh a lot of my friends from high school, my good friends, all decided to leave that kind of way of life in a way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you kind of get past the point of that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, a hundred percent. And uh don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people, especially older people there, who uh are just happy with that lifestyle of like kind of being on the frontier in general and like living that small town life. And they stayed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Obviously, because it's their home and they're uh a little bit older, there's no point in them uprooting themselves. Uh and I think they're a lot happier. But I think the people who in kind of my generation and maybe a generation before myself, um, are like not happy, is that they're so involved with other people's lives that they don't live themselves.
SPEAKER_00I think if you live in a place like that, you have to like value honest work and then like mindfulness and like just your own duties to your family, to yourself, instead of just like focusing on other people, because then if you focus on other people's like business, it's like you're taking away from living your life and being able to complete the tasks that you need to do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'd agree with you. Uh, I think a lot of people there now are so much in other people's business that it's affecting their own lives and it's a little bit ridiculous, to be honest. Uh maybe where I went to high school, probably, but where I grew up, I mean it's still very frontierish. Very uh you could be out in the woods in five seconds walking out your front door, which is awesome.
SPEAKER_00But that is pretty awesome.
SPEAKER_02Where I went to high school, it's still kind of ridiculous. A lot of drama for no reason.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And uh that's just not how I was raised.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02That's not how I live now, sadly. I would love to, but I don't really control where I live anymore. But uh if I could choose it, I'd I'd still be doing something like that.
SPEAKER_00But well, like living somewhere like kind of in the middle of nowhere?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, very rural. Um I would love to live like, you know, forty minutes away from where I work now and be living in the woods somewhere and have my own property, you know, hunt animals, like do the whole thing. Very uh primal, if you will. But I can't do that currently with the current uh career that I work in.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02As you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I definitely think it's valuable to live somewhere rural.
SPEAKER_02Growing up that way was valuable. Oh yeah, for sure. That a school couldn't teach me or anything like that for sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think it's like Loki kind of fucked up that in school we don't learn like I would say valuable things. Valuable skills.
SPEAKER_02Like responsibility, hard work, common sense, hands-on like work and like a little bit of a little bit of uh adversity, some would say. Like yeah, like hard work, if you will.
SPEAKER_00You have to learn how to challenge yourself like physically, not just mentality.
SPEAKER_02And if you're not an athlete in a sense, then you're not gonna do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I think uh I think it made me better as a human being, as an athlete, um, as a member of the like workforce of like my generation. Um it made me a lot better growing up that way because I like learned how to farm, learned how to garden, learned how to take care of animals, learned how to be fit by doing like manual labor, uh, etc. Which in turn, when I was in high school, junior high, whatever made me a better athlete, which made me go through more adversity, more training, just made me a better human being in general, uh, showed me discipline. Uh, I feel like if you don't grow up in a rural area, like I don't know how you go through those things not growing up in a rural area, I guess, until you like would do sports or some sort of uh maybe even a club activity, uh, where you would go through some things like that. I don't know, I'm not really sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean well obviously like I grew up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you grew up an athlete.
SPEAKER_00I grew up in Roanoke, Virginia.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00And obviously, like we didn't own like enough land to like have our own animals or like farm and stuff like that. But my mom grew up farming, and so she didn't want to do any of that when we were growing up. And so I guess in the way that I learned adversity was through sports, as you said. But, you know, definitely I would have liked to learn or grow up learning things like just like natural born skills.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Being able to look at the sky, look at the clouds, see which way they're moving, see the direction that they're moving, see the stars and be able to like read that like a map. Like seeing people do that.
SPEAKER_02I've never been able to read the stars like a map. Like I'm not a not many people can do that. I'm not a Viking sailor, you know what I mean? But I can look at the stars for the most part and tell what direction I'm looking in. Yeah. Or at least like sunrise, sunset, know what direction I'm looking at. Uh most humans nowadays wouldn't be able to do that. Um even like the rising direction, setting direction. Most people wouldn't know that. Most people wouldn't know like even like if you had a magnet that the magnet's gonna face north to the north pole. Most people wouldn't know that nowadays.
SPEAKER_00I just still think it's pretty sick that people were were able to do that like back in the day.
SPEAKER_02So the Vikings crossed from, you know, like Norway, the Denmark, the Scandinavia area to like the English colonies to like be able to like, you know, raid and sack them was like a the first compass that they made. You know what I mean? Like uh I mean like just figuring out simple shit like that. Sorry, can I cuss on this?
SPEAKER_00Can you what?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, bro. I've been cussing this. I can curse like I can curse on this. Okay. Sorry guys, I'm drunk. I mean, I don't know how many people listen to you, but but uh but I'm a little drunk. Um yeah, I mean like just figuring shit like that out, like um being ingenuitive, like how many humans nowadays can be ingenuitive and like figure shit like that out? Like it's not not that's the answer. It's like no no humans figure shit out like that anymore.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um like at what point are we gonna like capitalize on human ingenuity and we're gonna like figure sh more shit out, or are we just gonna dive off the deep end and become stupid because of AI and all this stuff?
SPEAKER_00But the data centers.
SPEAKER_02I mean, yeah, it's a bunch of huge problems, but like I don't want to get into that because I could rant for hours. For hours, yeah. On my personal beliefs on that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I agree.
SPEAKER_02I'm a free thinker and a critical thinker, and uh that I disagree with a lot of this stuff, but I think like I said, I could talk for hours on that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure. No, I think we agree on the fact that everyone should be a critical thinker.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00Um, and when you were talking about ingenuity, it's like I desire so much like a circumstance that pushes me to become like what's what would be the word? Like inventive.
SPEAKER_02A free thinker.
SPEAKER_00A free thinker. A critical thinker.
SPEAKER_02I mean like I don't really know any like fancy words for it, but like that would allow you to like free think and be ingenuative and yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00To like uh come up with a solution for the problem at hand.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, be creative, be uh yeah, critical thinking is like the biggest thing. Like uh like being put in a situation where you have to critical think, go through some adversity, and like be ingenuitive is like the biggest thing. Like let you do your own thing. Yeah, let you run the show, if you will. Yeah. I and I and I get that. I mean like I've been put in that situation a lot of times in my life, and there's always been like still some guidelines for me. But like, I mean like even if you disagree with those guidelines and like kind of do your own thing, like maybe it's the best thing, maybe it's not. But like being able to like function that way. And I feel like my fear is a lot of humans can't do that. Oh, no, for sure. Nowadays, and that's like my problem. Well, mostly in the West. Uh in America?
SPEAKER_00I would say yeah, I would actually just say in America, in the United States most of the time.
SPEAKER_02I mean, yeah, I mean no, I mean it's it's everywhere. I mean, like you we say the West um America, like Europe same way. Europeans want to claim they're very smart. Uh I lived there for three years. Um they act the exact same fucking way that we do. Uh if any of them listen to this, they get pissed off at that, but they they they fucking do. And uh there's so many Europeans, uh Brits, Germans, um Poles, Slovenians, Croatians, like whoever, Austrians, w whoever name it, uh, they would get really pissed at like hearing that, but like, because uh Americans are dumb, right? And uh they would think that they're a lot smarter, but they're they're the same way. They're in the same boat we are.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And uh like we've all become so accustomed to like the what's the word, the luxuries of the century that we live in and everything very easy.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and they're the same way. I mean, like, not all intelligence is based off of like, you know, how is this math done? Can you solve this algebraic equation or trigonometry equation? Like, maybe not, but I can like have this common sense knowledge and like you know, make decisions based off of this. And or like maybe I know this history. Maybe I'm good at this thing, but I'm not good at this thing. Like, just having that like non-room temperature IQ. Yeah. Just being able to do that. And like that's that's the problem. I mean, like, specifically with America is where I've noticed it the most. Um, where people are just dumb. And like And maybe it's not even like Oh no, you're right. Like maybe they have great grades in school, however, comma they are, like dumb when they make decisions. Like and I I feel like that's just where we're at an impasse with um I think I think my generation was the catalyst for this, which is like the worst part. It's like most people my age are like people I despise and that I would never trust with any serious task that I would ever need done. And uh and that's like sad to think about.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, a lot of my peers, if you will, are not trustworthy human beings to do simple human tasks, what I would consider simple human tasks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I think a lot of our generation is like kinda lost.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And it's really sad to watch. Well, I guess I we're part of the same generation, right? I'm twenty-three or twenty-six. Close enough. Close enough, something like that. Um But we rely on a lot of outside information to guide us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, most people do. I mean, like, how many people in our age group would know how to build a fire on the without looking it up on fire?
SPEAKER_00Dude, I I mean I can say that I can't build a fire, and I really wish I okay, I should probably learn from you to build a fire. I can teach her to build a fire. Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02Uh that's half the battle though, is asking for help. And I mean, like, asking for help is like even as far as like looking it up on YouTube and like educating yourself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02You know what I mean? And but that's not the shit that people are looking up on the internet. People are watching brain rot TikToks and watching I believe I said this earlier to a certain human being. Um watching the same video over and over again, but ten different people made a different video of the same exact thing. Yeah, basically. And uh like I don't I'm not on social media, I don't I don't believe in it. Um I got rid of it three years ago, I think, 'cause it like actually kinda disgusted me in a way, like how much time I was wasting on it.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02Which is why I got rid of it entirely. And uh Yeah, but I mean not wasting time on that. I mean, but you like YouTube like some social media is great. Yeah if you use it the right way. Uh if you look up like how to learn things, how to do things, like maybe like there's a page where someone like just teaches people how to do shit. I mean like that's great, but like personally me, I was watching funny videos nonstop and like brain rot type shit, and that's that wasn't good for me, so I just like you know got rid of the in the entirety of it and just like stopped wasting my own time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Shit like that.
SPEAKER_02Like the the doom scrolling, whatever whatever you guys kids call it nowadays. Um kids I mean shit, I'm surrounded by kids at my work, so yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean I would like yeah, it's I would say that that social media like also helps with like networking and like community building.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean sure, if you use it the right way, it's it could be a great thing. Uh most people don't. I wasn't using it in the right way.
SPEAKER_00For sure.
SPEAKER_02Um and that's like I mean, I I'm a hundred percent like uh I I will acknowledge that. Like I was not using social media in the right way. So I'm not gonna say like it's this horrible thing. The way I was using it and the way that 90% of America and the world is using it is bad. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, I agree.
SPEAKER_02Um I'm sure there are the 10% to maybe even like 30% out there that are using it to educate themselves and to network and to do these things.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And and I so I'm not gonna deny that. I'm not gonna say it's like an absolute, it's a all or nothing kind of thing.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02But I personally I don't believe in it. Um I feel like I would have enough discipline to control myself now um to download it all and use it for whatever reasons and not just doom scroll on it. But like I have discovered that I can function in this society without needing it whatsoever. So why would I Yeah, exactly. Why would I get it again, if that makes sense? Um Yeah. Because I wouldn't consider like looking things up on the internet as social media. I would consider that as like if I need some information, I can just look it up and find it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Rather than like looking up uh TikTok that's a lot and do something, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_00I mean I went a while without social media too. I mean I ended up deleting like everything for the Yeah, I mean I don't judge people for having the social media. Yeah, yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02Um that's just uh that's just my personal belief on it is that like I don't need it and I don't think it's like if you don't have personal discipline, then you probably shouldn't have it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But I go ahead. I think that to a certain degree being able to balance the amount of time you're on your phone and actually experiencing your life adds to your emotional intelligence, and emotional intelligence is not as valued as it was in the past. Our intuition is so valuable, it definitely can guide us in the right direction. Your gut your gut does tell you in what direction to go. Like your body tells you if something is a right fit for your life or not. And I think we spend so much time we spend so much time on our phones that we end up consuming all of this information, all of these opinions from out outside of ourselves. We just forget about our own voice, we forget about our own intuition, we forget about our own guidance. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean all that shit's real. Um I mean, as you know, I've uh I'm in the military and I've deployed to the Middle East. Yeah. Um, like huge thing on emotional intelligence, um, dealing with people, especially in like combat environments where you have civilians present and 90% of the people present in your combat areas are civilians.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And like being able to read people, being able to talk to people, uh, being able to negotiate with people, to like, you know, not commit violence in these areas. Uh, same goes with law enforcement. Um, being able to negotiate with criminals, if you will. Um, as if uh, let's say a corrections officer working in a jail, and you know, maybe there's a fight gonna break out, but this correctional officer has very good emotional intelligence skills, and he's able to like talk all parties down to be able to just like get this whole thing to be let go without any violence, no one getting hurt, yada yada. Emotional intelligence can take you a long way. If you have good emotional intelligence, you can influence other people to not do the wrong thing, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I think that's like a huge valuable skill. And I agree that the social media and like taking away free thinking, people get like brainwashed by a lot of the stuff. Um, allows you to like it's it sounds bad when I say manipulate people, but if you have emotional intelligence, you're not gonna manip manipulate people in a bad way. You'd manipulate them in a good way to where you could maybe like talk people down from violence, talk people down from say, like, suicide, self-harm.
SPEAKER_00You could say guidance.
SPEAKER_02You could say guidance. That's a that's a much better word than what I was saying is manipulation. Um leading people on the right path.
SPEAKER_00Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Which I mean, if I was a politician, it would sound really bad, but as like a normal human being, I guess it's probably okay. But like you said, philosophers aren't politicians. Philosophers aren't politicians. Plato said that, not me.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, yeah. You're the one who quoted Plato.
SPEAKER_02I quoted Plato, yes I did. Uh that was like, what, like a couple days ago?
SPEAKER_00A couple of days ago, yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Great quote. Um, if you guys want to look it up, Plato said it. Uh the world will not know peace until uh philosophers become politicians and politicians become philosophers.
SPEAKER_00Which is a difficult task at hand.
SPEAKER_02It's never gonna happen.
SPEAKER_00We hope. We we hope we we hope one day.
SPEAKER_02It won't, but I would love it to, but yeah. It won't. Uh not in today's society.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, thank you for joining me.
SPEAKER_02Of course, is that it? Are we done?
SPEAKER_00I think so.
SPEAKER_02Is that how it works? I don't know, it's my first podcast.
SPEAKER_00Well, from my soul, from love. See you next time.