What is a Missionary – Function

You know who you are. Now what do you actually do all day?

In part two of this series, Christi, Bill, and Amy Jacobs dig into the everyday function of a missionary — from church planting and training local leaders to compassion ministry and the supporting roles that make it all possible. The key question isn't whether your role is important. 

It's what your role is serving.

They also unpack the power of apostolic teams, staying aligned with core priorities, and why multiplying into others may be the most significant thing a missionary can do for the long haul.

Reflection Questions:

1. How does your role contribute to:

- Church planting?

- Leadership development?

2. Where do you feel alignment—or misalignment?

3. Do you clearly understand your role on your team?

4. How does your team function toward shared mission?

5. What is one adjustment you need to make to better align with

Series Wrap Up:

1. How are missionary identity and missionary function connected?

2. Which is easier to lose over time: clarity about who you are or clarity about what

you do? Why?

3. How has your understanding of missionary calling matured since arriving on the

field?

4. What assumptions about missions were challenged by these episodes?

5. Where do you currently sense the greatest need for growth: identity, function,

alignment, resilience, teamwork, or something else?

6. What is one practical step you can take this month to live more intentionally as a

Spirit-called, church-sent missionary?

7. How can your team help one another remain aligned with both missionary

identity and missionary purpose over the long term?  

Recommended Resources:

- What is a Missionary Paper 

- The Mission of God’s People by Christopher Wright

- Transforming Mission by David Bosch 

- Crossing Cultural Frontiers by Andrew Walls

- Cross-Cultural Servanthood by Duane Elmer 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Hi, this is the Journey Podcast where we take mysiology off the shelf and bring it to life because you deserve to be equipped for the call. We're on part two of our discussion: what is missionary? My name is Christy Trimber. I am here in Cairo, Egypt. We have with us Bill Snyder, who is in Tennessee, and Amy Jacobs from Malawi. So we're all over the world, which is super fun. Um, but we're we have this podcast because we believe that lifelong learning helps us all become better missionaries so that we can serve God better, and we want to help you do that. So we're looking at what is a missionary. So last our last podcast, we talked about the identity of that. So I'm gonna reread um our official definition of a missionary. It's super long. A missionary is a person called and empowered by the Holy Spirit and commissioned by a church to cross barriers of culture and language, boundless in geographic location, in order to proclaim the gospel, disciple believers establish the church, and demonstrate compassion. So now that we know who we are, our identity is clarified. The next question is what do we do? What do we do all day? I cannot tell you the number of times I have been asked by supporting churches and random people that are like, what in the world do you do all day? I'm like, yeah, that's a fair question.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Christy, we're establishing a mission team at a church in Memphis right now. Praise the Lord. And I kind of sit as a resource person. And it's really, really cool because the youngest person on the mission team is 27. Uh, half of them are under the age of 40. Uh, we have Vietnamese, Hispanic, and then Caucasian on the mission team. And in our last meeting, basically it became obvious we don't really understand what your life is like. What do you do?

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

And especially with the younger generations coming up, they're expecting a little more info, you know, into the identity and also the function. When you're there, what is it just a vacation the whole time? Do you drink coffee all day? You know, uh No, I do not. No, I don't. I can only have three cups and then I become dangerous. You know, it's it's really so this idea of being able to flesh out function and then um support that with one another, I think is really, really a critical conversation. So I'm glad Amy's with us. She's got the answers today, and and we can supplement as it goes along. Amen. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

But from the Messialaptical paper, which is the one we are discussing, um, it highlights two primary functions, church planting and training and equipping local leaders. So I want to be really, really careful here because we are a global um organization and a lot of people have a whole host of different roles. So let me say these are not limiting categories, they are apostolic priorities. So, what that means is that everything we do should connect to these things, but they don't have to directly. So, not everyone is going to be directly running a Bible college like I am, or what, or how Amy's involvement in Bible college. Other people do other things, and that's perfectly beautiful. The issue is that everything should move toward the establishment of the church and the strengthening of local leaders. So I'm gonna pass this over to you, Amy, because I know you guys also, or at least you have uh compassion ministry and some uh different things that you specifically do. Help me understand. What if I'm not church planting among the unreached or training local leaders? What does that mean for me as the function of a missionary?

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Well, I think that there's supporting roles like you like you said that aren't directly connected in regards to compassion. Um and I could talk about compassion all day, so cut me off when I when I need to cut off. But I think with compassion, you know, compassion opens the door a lot of times where if there's not um where you can't be just openly proclaiming the gospel message on a street corner.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Compassion is a way to open the door. Um then the gospel witness it transforms people's lives. And then the church, once it's developed, sustains the work. So it's it's it's like this cohesive thing that all works together. So if you're in a place where you are not planting a church physically, or it's a baby church, or um, you are not in a ministry where you're actually looking at local leaders every day and you're training local leaders, these two things that we talked about. There are so many other supporting roles that can lead to those things or can strengthen those things or can plant the foundation for those things to happen eventually.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Um I'm in a national church in around 80 years. They're very established. Um, but somebody sometime came and helped lay that foundation. Um, there hasn't always been a Bible school. There hasn't always been local leaders to train, but somewhere along the line, there were missionaries that came and invested and did that long work of supporting roles until there was the opportunity to plant the church and to train local leaders. So um, all the roles are important, but they all need to lead toward, I I feel in like this paper says, those two very important things.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Sure. I think it's beautiful. Roles are valid when they serve apostolic purpose. You know, we have a a one-year maps person working with us right now, and she's amazing. Is she out sharing the gospel with Egyptians? Not really, because she doesn't speak any Arabic. But what she is doing is all of the administrative stuff that Adam and I don't have time to do because we are out with people sharing the gospel, and we are, you know, with the church teaching, you know, talking about sharing the gospel with the unreach. So she frees us up so that we can do that. And that's how she is contributing to the apostolic purpose. And it's beautiful and it's wonderful, and I love it so much. Um, there's this paper I would just, as you were talking that I thought about that Alan Johnson wrote a number of years ago for um a missionary journal. I want to say IJPM maybe. Um, but basically it's on the ultimacy. So he talks about the issue of, you know, this what's priority? Is it this uh apostolic fervor, you know, you just gotta share the gospel, that's all you gotta do, or is it this compassion and holistic idea? And his take on it was no, it's the ultimacy of Christ. And we look across and keep that in our focus, and everything else falls into place. And that's kind of where I see roles. That as long as we're contributing to the way that for the expansion of Christ's kingdom, then what we're doing is beautiful and it matters, and I love it. The question is not, is my role important? The question is what is my role serving?

SPEAKER_02 8:01

Um, I think it is really important in whatever role you as a worker are serving today, is that you keep the bigger picture in mind. I may be in administration, or I may be in a compassion type ministry, but it is building something. You are enabling people in administration to be able to serve more effectively, or in a compassion ministry, you are building a platform for the love of Christ to break into a culture in a new way. Um in the day-to-day of living in this type of work, we can lose the big picture. So we've got to keep that before us. I'm doing something that is enabling the bigger thing to happen. And then I think there will be opportunities that will come along for us where we can actually see the enabling happening. But we've always got the big picture in view that we are a part of the big kingdom of what God is building, and we're called to serve in this particular role or part. Um, but big picture is important to keep in mind because it keeps the trajectory right. That's been my experience.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

So let me ask you this, Phil. How do you stay aligned with your core priorities?

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Um I think first would be you gotta stay in the word. Um one one of the things that uh I referred to Robert Clinton in our episode zero, where we were introducing one another, that most leaders don't finish well. Uh, one of the things he identified, those that did, had spiritual disciplines that continued their whole life. And I think the word of God speaks to us, it is, it is alive, and it speaks to us into our situation and into how we respond and into what's important to us. And I think that that is primary for me. Then from that, um, I referred to a conversation in the last podcast with a superintendent in the Philippines who said the problem with you missionaries is you always go home. Um he was pointing me toward a trajectory of investing in people. I'm there to serve, not to be served. Uh and it's real easy as the American to come with the idea, or the Westerner, to come with the idea that I'm here with the answer and it's all going to be better in five years before I can't because I came. And that just doesn't work. That attitude is anathema in many, many cultures. So if we come with I've come to serve, I think that also enables us to function in appropriate ways in the new culture that we're going to. So those are two things that that have helped me to keep this thing primary. But Amy, for you, what what in a in the day-to-day of walking this out? What what's helped you?

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Well, I would agree with you, Bill, about staying close to the Lord, um, seeking guidance from the Holy Spirit. We can get so involved in the task, you know, that we can very easily stray off. And it may sound wonderful and good, and they're good things, but um, what is the Lord speaking or what is the Lord already doing here? Um, that's a good question, I think, to ask, you know, the Holy Spirit's already where where we're going. He was there a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

He was there before we got there.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

What's wrong with him, you know, to see what direction, what is the Holy Spirit already doing, and how am I aligning with that? Um, but then just to add to that, I would also say just having some accountability, it's just a simple practical thing. Um, but just having accountability with my leader or with my zone leader, with my area director, just being able to check in periodically and say, hey, am I am I in alignment? Do you see anything that I might be doing that's stepping out of the in Africa we call the riverbank of what we do here? Um, am I going this way or that way? Um, we also have you know some individual strategic plans that we do yearly where we come up with our goals and what we're doing. So if we do happen to go off to the side a little bit, um, we can be brought back in and realize. So I would say accountability would be one for me in addition to my spiritual life. Sure. No, that's significant.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

And I think prayer is a big part of that. Spending time with the Lord in conversation and recognizing his priorities and what he wants things, how he wants things to look and um where he wants us to invest our time. I remember years ago, I was living in a different Arab country. I was single, I was alone, uh, there was no other AG workers. At that point, it was me and one German girl left in the country. And um I was sitting in my apartment and sitting at my keyboard and I was playing, you know, some worship music and just saying, Lord, why am I even here? There's tens of millions of Muslims around me, and I I feel like I'm not doing anything and I don't I don't know what I'm doing here. And the Lord was so sweet in that moment to rebuke me. Uh, because I I'm crying, I'm like, Lord, I want to see millions come to the Lord. I want I want to see, you know, churches planted and all of these things, and the Lord's like, no, that's not your job. Your job is not to save anyone, that's my job. Your job is to be obedient to what I've asked you to do today. And I that has been such a profound moment for me in the way that you know my entire missionary career has moved forward. And that my job today is to simply do what the Lord has tasked me to do today. And it's quarter to six in the evening where I live with Cairo, and today part of that was going to my daughter's school as they, you know, celebrated Egypt Festival Day, and she talked about Nubians and the Nile River, and I was able to then talk with some of the moms and you know about how great their kids were, and through that share the gospel with them, um, because these are the people that are in my life every day, and so it's so interesting and not boring at all. And I love that about our calling, that it's it's so unique to each one of us, and that's really beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

I think there's something that every one of us has to fight on occasion, and that is the feeling that we're being a failure.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

That we're not measuring up, uh, that it that it wasn't a good day, and why am I here? Uh, or that relationship that I thought was so good and now has fallen apart. Oh God, why didn't why am I a part of this situation? And we have to trust again. We go back to the calling and we continue to serve out of a humble heart and uh asking the Holy Spirit to open the doors of opportunity so that um we are there for a reason, and sometimes only God knows. There are days like that. But uh don't let the enemy get you in a negative track where, oh, it's just not working. Why did I ever say yes? Uh, you are not a failure. You are light and salt in a dark place, and God's using you even when we don't feel like it's happening. He's using you.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

So, Amy, let me ask you this question. What does your daily ministry actually look like?

SPEAKER_00 16:18

You know, we actually had to do this for our launch team. We would have to like write down like morning, this is what we're doing, and you know, so I I actually have a response to this. And it's true, it's not something I'm just making up. Yay! Sounds wonderful. Um well, different seasons have different daily tasks. Um, when it's Bible school season, it's different because I usually teach early in the morning. Um, for some reason they give me the 7:15 a.m. classes. So I'm at the Bible school really early. So those days look different, but right now I'm not teaching. Um first thing in the morning is I really need to have just my abiding time. Um, I was not as great as I should have been last term, and it was one of the things I learned over itineration. My days go much better when I start with abiding time. So I download my game of the day from the Lord of what I need to do for today. And that's great because it changes. You know, I've got my little planner. I'm a high efficiency task person, you know. But if I don't stop in the morning and have that abiding time and allow the Holy Spirit to rearrange my schedule, I miss a lot of things. I miss a lot of divine appointments that hopefully he sends other people to because I was too busy to see. So I do that in the morning. Um can I can I pause you real quick?

SPEAKER_01 17:41

For those who are outside of the live-dead world, can you tell us what abiding time is? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

So that is my time that I spend with the Lord. And it's not time that I talk so much. I need to listen more. So when I abide with the Lord, I have scripture reading. I usually do a few worship songs because I'm that's how I feel close to the Lord is through music. But then I do need to take time and just listen um and see how I need to rearrange things or go ahead with what I've got planned. It's like, Lord, this is your opportunity to get me where I need to go. I'm listening. Um, so then um, I do have a lot of administrative stuff to do. So I do a lot of administrative stuff that could be donor care, that could be reaching out to people back in the States, that could be doing finances, which every missionary has to keep a track of. You know, there's just office. And no one likes to do office work that you just have to do if you want to stay on the field. So there is time with that. Um, then there's relational time. I try to plan every day some kind of relational time. Um, I've got a lot of writing and research that I'm doing right now. So if I'm not intentional about scheduling relationship time, putting myself in places intentionally, whether that means if I only have time for a 10-minute phone call, I have a list of people that I try to contact on a rotation, um, of people that I just need to keep in contact with. Um, that would be the minimum. Other things would be I would put myself in places where I would either go visit a friend or call someone over for tea or go meet with a Bible school student. But I have to I have to schedule my relational time because if not, my personality, I will fill it with tasks. So I know that about myself. So I schedule relational time. Um, and then I also spend time learning something new. So if that's I need to learn more about language, this isn't my first term. I'm by no way fluent, but I need to learn more with my language. If I need to learn something new about culture, if there's a national and there's something I want to learn to cook a new dish, I'm always trying to learn something new. Um, and then there's team time. Like we have things scheduled. We have weekly prayer, we have weekly meetings, we have weekly just fellowship, getting together, reconnecting with my team. How is your day? Do you need anything? Just things like that. So even though my day can be structured like that, it does change. Um, but that's just that's just everyday life. Trying to mix ministry, missionary life, and work, all of those competencies that we talk about, you know, having a day for a Sabbath. It's not easy. And you have to be intentional. But our days are full. Our days are full. And you know, the days that my schedule gets rearranged are the most fulfilling. The day that I stand at the line at the DMV, the road traffic here, and it was supposed to be 30 minutes and it ends up being four hours, are some of the most aggravating things, but they're also some of the most rewarding. I can't tell you how many times the Holy Spirit has interrupted my schedule to where I looked up from my book in line and prayed for someone because they, you know, the Lord told me to. So having a plan is great, but I would tell everybody listening, just make room. Make room for the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you. He sees all the things that we don't. And if we're just willing to listen and obey, there is great reward on the other side of obedience. That is fabulous.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Now I do have another question, clarifying question for those who are outside of the LD world. And for if you don't know what LD is, it means live dead. Um explain a launch team.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Okay. So a launch team is a place for new missionaries to land where they I could be corrected too. Okay, I'm not the expert on this, just from my understanding. So a launch team definition provider. Um it would be where new missionaries come, where they're mentored, um, and their first, you know, so long that they're on the continent where they learn language and culture, but they're sent to a Place that is welcoming them, ready to receive them and to help them as they walk through those early steps into where they're able to move out on their own. Is that right? Did I say that okay?

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Yeah, great. Wow. Well, I mean, that's what I think about our launch scene. So we have one here in Cairo, and I I teach there um a few times a semester, which is always fun. It's always fun to connect with new missionaries because they're so like bright and shiny and ready to take on the world. Yes, I love it. Let's uh talk about apostolic teams because this is a part of paper. Um and one of the themes that kind of comes out of it is that missionary identity is inherently team-based and apostolic. And that New Testament missionary work reflects team-based, role-diverse ministry. So you look at Paul never worked alone, there were diverse roles but shared mission, and so no one person fulfills the mission, but everyone contributes to it. So years ago, when I started, um, apparently the dinosaurs were walking along the earth. I don't know, but it was before Lived Dead, it was before Teams, it was before any of that. And so I was sent to a particular Arab country by myself. And most of us that were serving in um what is now called the Arab world, although we've broken up into three areas, we were serving alone because that was it. And I was at a conference one time, and I remember my regional director, so it was this conference on church planting and effectiveness, and um there was a leader from another organization who just they only dealt with teams at that point and still do. And uh that was kind of his whole premise. And he's like talking about the biblical basis and all of this. And and I remember my regional director looked kind of, he was sitting next to me, he kind of nudged me and he's like, What do you think of this living by yourself? And I said, Well, that's a nice idea. Oh, it's a nice idea, but it is not my reality. I live in this particular country at this time, planting the church where it is not, and no one else is doing it, so here I am, and the Lord in his graciousness decided to do this. Um, but I will say, having done it by myself, and now having, you know, now that we're team leaders and we're doing this with other people, it's so much better with other people. So much better with other people. So, Amy, let me ask you this question. How has working on a team shaped your missionary identity?

SPEAKER_00 24:54

It's a great question. Um, it has really helped me because I'm I'm like superwoman, okay? Like I can do it all. You know, I'd rather do it all because I do it better. Yeah, I I have to tell you how to do it, and then I have to watch you have to do it, and then I have to fix, you know, that that was my whole corporate life before. So being on a team is so much better. Um, but it also takes, you know, some adjustment if it's my personality. It was really hard for me to delegate to other people because I felt like I had this standard of how it should be done. And you know, it doesn't matter to a hill of beans. It doesn't matter. There are people that are completely able to do things and um wanting to do things and willing to do things, and so for me to hold on to all of that was actually keeping an opportunity from them. It was very selfish, actually, very prideful. So being on a team, and again, a lot of us we don't get to pick our teams, you know, people are are sent to certain fields, and so there is a lot. Um, I don't want to put my counseling hat on here, but there's a lot of teen dynamics that come together, you know, and so working on a team is very, it's very stretching, it's very growing, it's also very rewarding, and it's shaped me to be a better person. It really has. Because the more I hope to um let go of things and allow other people and empower, not just allow, but empower other people to do what God has gifted them to do has helped me hone what I'm gifted to do. I'm not spread so thin that I feel like I'm gonna crack the time the wind blows. But we've developed, you know, over time, people who are really powerful and strong in these areas that they could have done all the time, just hadn't been given an opportunity. So I think team is very important for health. I think individual missionaries on their own can become unhealthy in a lot of ways just because it's so taxing on the individual. Not that that happens to everybody. Um, I sure wouldn't want to do it unless the Lord told me I had to. But um it really has made me be a it it's helped me become a person, it's helped me become a better leader working in a team where I don't have to do it all alone. And I get to enjoy watching other people you being utilized in their gifts, and now they're ministering back to me. I'm not always the one ministering, I'm being ministered to by my team members. Well now, but Bill, you've served in an area that did not have teens.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

But so it might look a little different. Can you speak to your experience and how this tension with what the paper talks about, the New Testament model of team?

SPEAKER_02 27:53

I d I don't think for most people they feel that teams are a negative, it's more of an aspirational thing. There are places in the Pacific Islands, for instance, where you have a missionary, missionary couple, missionary family. Um, when we went to the Philippines a number of years ago, I went with a specific sense of assignment that God opened the doors for us to be able to do. But I was kind of a unique individual that there were a lot of people doing a lot of good things, but we were not coordinated often together. Um, what I've discovered is this is that I think the Lord wants each of us in our own context to build people around us, where we're not the hub, but yet we are perhaps the catalyst of things happening because people are coming together around a common shared purpose, shared vision, shared values. And God is going to, in the place where you may be serving by yourself at the present time, there are people around you that gravitate in your direction. Holy Spirit partnerships are being formed. And in that, in essence, you are developing a team. It may not look like an LD team, but the same goals of planting the church in new places can happen. So we're not looking at, you know, uh option A, option B. And if you're not option A, well, you're not really doing it. No, we're saying that there are many ways to get to this, this apostolic sense of God bringing us together to plant his church in new places or to serve people or raise up leaders. So I would not, I would not check out of the conversation at this point because you don't have a team. No, you have one information around you. Spirit of God's bringing people into your life so that you can work with, develop, learn from, serve with, maybe inspire. All the dynamics of relationship are at work. So uh it's aspirational, but the goal is good. We do better together than we will ever do by ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Yeah, and I think too, it's it's, you know, we're not defining team here. You know, there's certain places. I mean, I know in Eurasia we have a very specific definition of team, but in other places have different definitions of team. And maybe team where somebody serves is their field or their city or their particular ministry role. And it, I don't think we're not here to define that, but just saying that we we do this in community together. And that's that's the practical aspect of it.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Yeah, yeah. And I and I think there has to be the shared vision and values.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

So that leads us to the so what part of our podcast. What does this mean? Our real life function. How does this shape my actual life as a missionary in Cairo, Egypt? Well, it's about my time and my priorities, my relationships, my decision making, kind of going off of what Amy was saying earlier. Like I say yes to this, and I say, you know, this is a good thing. I'm still saying no, because it's not in alignment with this. So missionary function is church planting, training, and often in some sort of teen setting. And so the question is, how does this shape my week and my prayers and my relationship? You know, if I'm in compassion ministry, am I still functioning missionally? Absolutely. If it connects with gospel witness, contributes to church establishment, strengthens local believers. And so the whole idea though is that what does this mean as the function of a missionary? What does this mean for how I spend my time and energy? So let me ask you this, Bill. How has your understanding of your role, because you have served so many roles over the years? How has your understanding of your role changed over time as it relates to this uh idea of being a missionary?

SPEAKER_02 32:20

I I think that the primary thing that I gravitated more and more toward was that my goal was to multiply with others. It's 2 Timothy 2.2. Um my um long-term effect in a place is going to be based on relationships. And so to spend significant time, prioritize relationships, ask God to bring people into my life, help me to identify the future leaders. When you're in a place long enough, it's very fascinating to see that God brings people into your life, that all of a sudden, 10 years down the road, they're in some important decision-making position, and you had an effect on their lives through friendship, through coffee, through doing ministry together, through learning from one another. That's that becomes that has become more and more important, the real priority of putting relationships at the top, spirit-guided, spirit-anointed relationships that multiply maybe what God has put in my life and let it become a part of theirs. At the same time, I'm becoming better because I know them. So I think that in missionary function, that has become truly a priority. And even down to the decision-making that I make. Uh, I want to support. I don't need to be the lead dog in the pack. I can sit in the number three position and bless and encourage and be a counselor or a or a person that somebody can come to, and I'm not gonna hurt them. Um great book by Dwayne Elmer, Cross-Cultural Servanthood. We may refer to that at some point later on down the road. It's a great book, but it talks about building relationships that influence people. And at some point in your life, you're realizing I'm not gonna be there forever. So the more I can invest relationally in people, my function is being carried out because it's 2 Timothy 2-2 and it's happening.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

What about for you?

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Well, for me, um, you know, it's kind of like going back to that identity crisis, and it's just really about remembering that everything I do is in obedience to my creator, and he is the one that has the mission. I I have the privilege of participating in that mission. And he has chosen for me to participate in that mission for this time in Cairo, Egypt. And it's such a beautiful thing. Is it hard and messy and confusing and frustrating? Yeah, but it's also beautiful and life-giving and uh just amazing in so many ways. And so I'm thankful for it. So it's just a matter of just whether, you know, whether I was on the pioneering front line like I was for so long, um, which had its own frustrations and own challenges, but also its own opportunities and beauty. Uh, it's it's different now and yet still fulfilling. And one of the most beautiful things is watching the Egyptians that were training doing what we had done for so long. And I love that. And I love that they're taking it further than we could. So it's it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

You've been listening to the Journey Podcast, and let me encourage you, if you're finding help in this resource, share it with a friend, gossip it to others so that they become aware of this. And uh we've we've got a number of different podcasts that are going to be available. You can you can binge, listen, or watch if you want, or choose a particular one, or share it with a friend. Uh your feedback's valuable to us. We want it to be a resource that will bless your lives. So uh just happy to be able to share this time with you, Christy, and with Amy. Uh thanks for joining us. And I hope that you'll be with us next time for the Journey Podcast. I'm Bill Snyder with Christy Trimber, and uh we're happy to be on this journey with you.