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October 12, 2025 - Bobby Dagnel - Mourning Curiosity
PKLM 20251012 - Bobby Dagnel - Mourning Curiosity
0:00 - Introduction and Greetings
0:18 - Setting the Scene: The Upper Room Discourse
1:43 - The Theme of Curiosity
2:37 - Historical Examples of Curiosity
4:32 - Disciples' Mourning and Lack of Curiosity
8:42 - The Value of Curiosity in Faith
9:19 - Understanding God's Edifying Work
13:49 - The Role of the Holy Spirit
22:21 - Conviction and Righteousness
30:11 - Clarity Through the Holy Spirit
38:38 - Final Thoughts and Blessing
[00:00:00] Introduction and Greetings
All right. Thank you. Good seeing everyone. Patty and I were talking this morning over coffee about how much we, uh, enjoy being here and look forward to our times being with you here at, uh, p pk, the faith community here. And, uh, uh, so it's good to see all of you here this morning. Always I meet some new folks, and that's always a pleasure as well.
[00:00:18] Setting the Scene: The Upper Room Discourse
For our teaching time this morning, I, I want us to consider. If you have your Bible, your smart device, whatever it is you use to follow along, I want us to look at John chapter, uh, 16 in particular, verses five through 15, uh, this morning. I've been, I don't know if it's just the stage of life that I'm in.
I've seen these, uh, uh, past month or so. I seem to be spending a great deal of time in this, uh, upper room discourse, what is sometimes called the final discourse of, uh, Jesus, the end of chapter 13 going into. Uh, 17. But, uh, the idea of a discourse is not, uh, just something that is scriptural. It's found throughout ancient literature.
You had these great teachers, philosophers, uh, that always had a final summation discourse, and it was a compilation. Teachings, uh, for those that were being entrusted with the mission or the cause in Jesus. Uh, in that same vein, is giving these final instructions before the coming, excuse me, the fateful weekend.
That we will see accomplished his death in his burial and his resurrection and the significance of that. But we know that this is a time of discouragement, uh, for, uh, these disciples. Uh, but he nonetheless is preparing them for what will be their mission and uh, their calls.
[00:01:43] The Theme of Curiosity
And, uh, so this morning what I want us to consider is, um, is, I think you've seen the title already.
It's called, uh, mourning. For curiosity. Mourning for curiosity. In Plato's Republic, there's a, a well known line that says that our need will be the true creator, the real creator. Our need that would of course evolve into that, uh, familiar, uh, English proverb that necessity is the mother of invention. Uh, if you would allow me, I would take that even further.
I would expound upon that and I would, uh, offer in that same vein that curiosity is the father of progress. Curiosity is the father of progress.
[00:02:37] Historical Examples of Curiosity
In the past decade, probably my favorite biographer has been, uh, a gentleman on the faculty of Tulane University. Historian, uh, he's written a number of biographies.
This gentleman, Walter Isaac's son, are you familiar with his writings? He's written a number of biographies on, on great intellects through history. Leonardo da Vinci, uh, Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin. Um, most recently I think Jennifer Doudna. Um. Uh, Nobel Peace Prize winner and her research in, uh, in Crispr Cas nine Gene splicing Fascinating, uh, RNA research, which would become foundational to Mr.
NA vaccines that are being utilized today. But in, in the reading of those biographies, one of the things that emerged, a common theme that I noted was that each one of those had an insatiable curiosity. Like a moth to a light. Each one of these were drawn to questions for which there were not yet answers.
Another thing that emerged in the reading of those biographies that I recognized, that each one, uh, each one of those great inventors and scientists, they were, they were, they were shocked by what their research would become. Never imagining, uh, they may be seeking to answer one type of question. One, something that made them curious and it would offshoot, and they came to recognize that invention never follows a straight path.
It's like those who are interested in studying atomic fusion and the capabilities of of the atom, those early scientists in that field, they were appalled by what their research would ultimately become.
[00:04:32] Disciples' Mourning and Lack of Curiosity
I thought about that in this particular text this morning because while the disciples and we understand the context, don't we, while the disciples are, are mourning, the fact that Jesus is going to leave Jesus, we discover is mourning that the disciples are not the least bit curious.
We know from John 14 that these disciples are deeply troubled. They're, it's a word that means, uh, disturbed, agitated. Jesus has said to them, let not your hearts be troubled. Well, a part of that is, is that Jesus has begun talking about death, that it is appointed under the son of man to suffer and to die, and that goes against everything that these disciples would've anticipated regarding this one.
Who would be the Messiah? Their expectations, their preconceived notions was that this one who had ultimately come to be the Messiah, that he's going to overthrow Roman oppression. He's going to reestablish the throne of David, and that Israel is going to once again be this, uh, socioeconomic, political, militaristic force in the world.
No matter how many times Jesus has said to these disciples, my kingdom is not. Of this world, quit thinking of the kingdom of God in, in terms of nationalism, stop thinking of the kingdom of God, in terms of, of empire earthly empires. And my kingdom is not of this world, but it shows to you the power of preconceived notions.
That Jesus is going to establish his earthly throne and they're going to sit at his right hand and rule and reign with him. And now the teachings of Jesus are completely counter to that. It is appointed unto the son of man to suffer and to die. And Jesus seems to mourn the fact that these disciples are not the least bit curious about where he is going and the implications of where he's going.
Notice in verses five and six, he says, but now I'm going to him who sent me. And none of you ask me as you're not the least bit curious, and none of you ask me, where are you going? But because I've said these things to you, grief has has filled your heart. Now here's what's problematic. Here's the problem for those disciples then, and this is what can become problematic for us today.
Is that these disciples are comfortable, they're comfortable with everything they know, they're comfortable with what they have experienced. They're comfortable in this life and this routine, and this relationship that they currently have with with Jesus. And so now, then for Jesus to speak about suffering, to speak about death is something that, uh, that has brought about a complete upheaval in their.
And their mind. Now, to be fair, I think we do have to highlight that, you know, Peter did ask where he was going back in chapter 13 in verse 36, and that would elicit Thomas's question that you see down here in verse five. The question about, Lord, we do not know where you are going. How do we know the way?
But those two questions emerge out of self concern. They're not concerned about Jesus. They're not concerned with the purposes of God. They're concerned with their, with their own comfort, with their own current life. And so while they mourn the idea that Jesus is going is going to go away and that life is going to be something different, Jesus is mourning their lack of curiosity.
[00:08:42] The Value of Curiosity in Faith
Well, let's talk about that just. Just a bit. Let's talk about the value of curiosity in our journey of, of faith, our hungering and thirsting for the things of God, of not being comfortable in our, in our knowledge of him and, and our present circumstances. Because as, as this text begins to unfold, what we discover is that, is that there are at least three benefits for us in, in being curious.
There are three things that, that we come to understand more fully in our, in our faith journey.
[00:09:19] Understanding God's Edifying Work
Well, the first thing is with curiosity, we come to understand better his, his edifying. Work. God's edifying work. See, that's what God is doing in each one of us who are his followers. He is edifying. He is building us up to what we will ultimately become.
Because that's the faith journey, isn't it? It's what we are becoming. It's what he's fashioning us to become. And as we are curious in life. Oh, we, we begin to understand what it is that, that he's building up in us and what he's accomplishing in us. Notice here, beginning in verse five again, he says, but now that is in contrast to what I was just speaking to in the previous verses.
He's saying that that, that there is an hour coming, but Jesus brings him back to the present tense. His concern isn't the future. Right now I'm concerned about the present tense, but now I'm going to him, your, your emotion, your grief. That's not going to thwart me. And in my, going forward, into the, into the missional task that God has assigned for me.
But now I'm going to him who sent me, and none of you ask me, where are you going? None of you ask me, where are you going? You see all these disciples in the midst of their grief, in the midst of their discomfort with their recognition that life is going to take a turn that they would've never expected.
And we've all, I look around here, I see the age of most of us here, and we've all expect, we've all experienced those unexpected turns, haven't we? When life goes in a direction that would not have been of our design, uh, where we get blindsided by life. But Jesus brings them back to the present tense because he recognizes that all they are seeing is the bleakness of their future, what they believe to be the bleakness and the despair of their future.
And here's the value of curiosity, and I will continue to use this as a touchstone for us in this message. The value of curiosity is that it keeps our feet on the ground in the present tense, in the moment, the right now, instead of just thinking always about how this could turn out, how much this is going, uh, to be uncomfortable in the future, how much this is going to change the trajectory of my life.
No, if you're curious about the providential purposes of God. Then this curiosity keeps us grounded in the moment. But because I've said verse six, but because I've said these things to you, grief has filled your heart four times. Jesus uses that, that word grief in this, in this chapter. The interesting thing about his use of grief, whenever in scripture you see the word grief, what the word that's translated as, as grief, whenever you see it in scripture, 99.999% of the time, grief is in the passive voice.
Now the passive voice means that this is something that has come upon you. This is something that has acted upon you, but what Jesus is now saying, it's really an indictment against him. He said, because I've given you news that makes you uncomfortable because you're now receiving news, uh, that's going to disrupt your life.
You have become yourself the personification of grief. This is an attitude that you have chosen to activate in your own life.
And so our mourning, he says, in the midst of our mourning and in the midst of our, of our not understanding, if you will, just, if you stay curious, oh, it's through that curiosity that that we come to see and to discover what it is that God is doing. Because you see all the things that I said about those scientists earlier, they're all the more true in the life of faith.
It's only as you and I have this insatiable curiosity in the faith journey that we come to new understandings and new under and new discoveries of everything that God would have in store for us.
[00:13:49] The Role of the Holy Spirit
He says in verse seven, but I, but I tell you that I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I'm leaving.
For if I do not leave, the helper will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you. Interesting statement, isn't it that Jesus says, but I tell you the truth. It's not that everything I've said previously is dishonest, but he said in what he's saying is that in contrast to the emotions that you're experiencing right now.
You see your, your response of grief, you becoming the personification of grief, you becoming reactionary to, to your circumstances in life, and you, and you feeling a certain way about your, your circumstances. Listen, all of your circumstances and, and the emotions and the feelings that they evoke, those are false.
Those are lies being told to you. Your emotions are telling you right now in the midst of these difficult circumstances, your emotions are telling you that your future is dark, that your future is bleak. But in contrast to that, listen, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Here's what you need to clinging to. It is to your advantage that I'm departing.
Now the disciples can't imagine it, can we? Nor can we in the midst of our adversity and trials in life. But Jesus says, this is going to be to your advantage. Now they can't see it because they've had three years with the master teacher. Life has, life has been good. I mean, can you imagine having three years to sit at the feet of, of Jesus, the master teacher, him himself.
Along with your misguided thinking, uh, regarding what it is to be and to serve in the kingdom of God, life has been good for three. They cannot imagine in their wildest dreams what advantage there might be to his going away. And that word advantage here, that, or the word in the Greek that's translated as, as advantage.
Uh, it's a word that that was also used by, by Caiaphas Caiaphas, the high priest, whenever he was, um, was plotting against, against Jesus. He said it is expedient. PHA was making a prophecy that he never imagined himself making, but PHAs would say it is more expedient. Same word. It is more to an advantage.
It is more expedient for one man to die for his people than that the whole nation not perish. Now, of course we understand, don't we? Looking back in hindsight, Caiaphas had no regard for what was most advantageous for the most people. He was concerned only about his own political leverage and the disciples themselves.
They, they aren't concerned. They're, they're concerned about their own comfort. They want a continuation of all they have ever known. I want a continuation of the life that we've already shared together. So not even the disciples at this point are thinking about what is most advantageous for everyone.
Jesus is the only one in the gospel narratives that really has a mind for what is best for everyone. What is the greater good for all people?
So, but I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am leaving for if I do not leave, the helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. Now, with all that being said, from a practical standpoint, I think it's a fair question to ask. What is the advantage of Jesus going and not staying?
I mean, don't you, I mean, isn't there a kind of a curiosity in the back of your mind? You think what? Well, you know, when it's all said and done, what really is the advantage of Jesus and uh, of Jesus going and not staying and remaining. Well, the first advantage if, I'm just gonna throw some things out here.
The first thing would be the forgiveness of sin. Because see, if Jesus, if Jesus just, if Jesus just stays and doesn't go to the cross, then you and I are still dead in our trespasses, in our sin. The second thing is, is that if Jesus does not go and the helper does not come, then you and I do not. Then you and I do not have opportunity to grow through adversity.
If there had been no cross, if there had been no death, burial, resurrection there, if there had been no coming of the spirit, then you and I would just despair in life. But because of what God is accomplishing through Christ Jesus, his life and his ministry and his redemptive purposes, you and I as his followers have opportunity to grow, to be edified through our trials and our adversities in life.
Now that is very counter-cultural 'cause sadly in the Western Church today, we, we. Seemingly have a generation of believers that somehow think adversity in trial is an affront to their faith. This, this seemingly in American history seems to be the first generation that thinks they should be exempt from the hardships and the trials of life.
When in fact, what we discover in the faith journey that it is through these tests, it is through these trials. It is through our seasons of grief and hardship that God in his providential purposes and the working of the spirit can take all of that in the storms of life and fashion them into the very thing that, that, uh, that build us up and fashion us suffering becomes the crucible.
Where faith is forged. That doesn't mean God caused all things to happen. If we know who Roman says, Paul says, for God caused we for we know. That God causes all things to work for the greater good. It doesn't say God causes all things, but God is able to take what evil intended. God is able to take the brokenness of this world and his purposes will not be forted.
He can take all of that in fashion it, and he is able to use it. What we think is the worst thing that could happen. We find that it is through these fairy things that the providential purposes of God are in fact being accomplished. So these become the things, these become the circumstances that God uses to edify us, to elevate us, to build us up.
But for it to happen, for that to be. Reality. What do you have to stay curious? You've gotta stay curious. Curious. Curiosity. Listen. Curiosity is the attitude of hope. It's what keeps you grounded, what curiosity is, what is a conviction? That all of this is but a part of the providential purposes of God, and I'm curious enough to stick around to see what God is doing, see what God is accomplishing.
Second thing I would share with you in looking at verses eight through 11. Regarding what Curiosity does in helping us to understand the things of God. Not only does it help us to understand his edifying work, but also his, his convicting work.
[00:22:21] Conviction and Righteousness
We see it here beginning in verse Ev, uh, verse eight, it says, and he, speaking of the help.
Now the, these words are so much more significant to us today. You and I have the benefit of 2000 years of church history and looking back, these disciples had no clue what he was talking about. Talking about a helper. What, what does all that mean? This one, who will, who will come? He's speaking about the helper.
We know it to be the person of the Holy Spirit, the resurrected Christ. And when he comes, we'll convict the world. Regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment regarding sin because they do not believe in me. And regarding righteousness, because I'm going to the Father and you no longer are going to see me.
And regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged, now that word convict, this convicting work of the Holy Spirit. This word convict means to, to convince. It means to, to, to expose. To reveal in legal language. It would mean in, in, in legal terms. It was, uh, it was an expression that that had to do with, with a cross-examination for the purpose of refuting.
And now Jesus is saying when this, when this helper comes, when the Holy Spirit comes on, on what we know is the day of of Pentecost, we know that that his work is going to be a convicting kind of work. A convicting regarding regarding sin, regarding righteousness, regarding judgment,
knowing. The theological realm. There's always been some theological debate whenever there's, uh, this idea of Jesus convicting regarding sin. The debate always arises. Is it talking about particular sin or is it talking about sin in general? And frankly in, in reading the scholarly works and the scholarship that's gone into that, that interpretation, I, I really don't think it's necessary to draw a line in the sand.
I can even be either or both. And if I understand that God is spirit and if I understand that ought, that God is by virtue of of God being spirit, that means that he is, that he is omnipresent. He, there's never a time when never a place where God is not. He's not present. And it, and it is that presence of God, the spirit of God in his omnipresence that I, my conviction is, is that that is the reason.
We have a sense of what is moral, what is immoral, what is right, what is wrong, what is righteous, what is unright? Us
not unlike CS Lewis. This CS Lewis idea that I, uh, I know a line is crooked because I've seen a straight line. Uh, I recognize sin and I understand sin, uh, because of the sinless son of man. And so there is that sense of recognizing what is moral, what is immoral, what is sin, what is not sin, but but in the greater sense.
In the larger sense. We know that the work of the Holy Spirit as, as Jesus makes clear the work of the, of the holy sp primary work of the person of the Holy Spirit is to bear witness to Christ Jesus.
To bear witness, to bear testimony to what God has done, what God is doing, what God has accomp has accomplished and is accomplishing in his salvific purposes through the life and the ministry of Jesus Christ, his death, his burial, and his resurrection. And because that is the role of the Holy Spirit to make known to us the person of Jesus Christ, him crucified and resurrected, this one who will come again so that we might be drawn into relationship with God, so that we might be drawn into the redemptive purposes of God.
It is that unbelief. Listen, it is the sin of unbelief. This idea of grieving the Holy Spirit, of choosing not to believe that becomes the unpardonable sin.
And so the person of the Holy Spirit, this helper, he comes to convict us of the greatest wrong in the world. What has broken creation, the reality of sin? Well, if the spirit convicts us. Of the greatest wrong in the world. He also convicts us of the greatest right in the world, the righteousness of God regarding righteousness.
He says in verse 10, and regarding righteousness, because I'm going to the Father and you no longer are going to see me, the spirit convicts us. Regarding the redeeming work of God in Christ Jesus, the righteousness of God, how this one Christ Jesus, the one perfect Hebrew, is the fulfillment of that Abrahamic, that Abrahamic covenant, that he is the righteous one.
This one who was crucified, who died, was resurrected, has ascended to the right hand of God and will come again someday. What Jesus is saying is a very modest way of saying this is the most important thing that has ever happened in human history. This is the most significant thing that has ever happened in history, what God has done.
And how God has acted, how God has revealed himself and made himself known through the person of Jesus Christ, but also the Spirit convicts regarding judgment and regarding judgment. Because the ruler of this world has been judged in the mind of Jesus in this upper room discourse in the mind of Jesus.
We would have to know the. That the events that are coming up, the events that will transpire between Friday and Sunday in the mind of Jesus, this will be the ultimate trial between good and evil, between right and wrong. What is righteous and unrighteous justice and injustice? It will be a consummation, if you will, a consummation where God emerges as Victor A, but it's a consummation with continuing consequences in our lives today.
Consequences. And understandings that we experience only as we remain what? Curious. Curious. A final thing I would add to this regarding curiosity.
[00:30:11] Clarity Through the Holy Spirit
It's by curiosity that we come to understand his clarifying work. It says in verse 12, I have, I have many more things. To say to you, but you, you cannot bear them at the present time.
But when he, the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth for He will not speak on his own, but whatever he hears, he will speak and he will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify me for, he will take from mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the father has are mine.
This is why I said that he takes from mine and will disclose and will disclose it to you. Notice again in verse 12, he says, I have, I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them in the present. Jesus recognizes their grief. He understands the depths of their grief. Um. Read this passage, and I think about the past 40 years of pastoral ministry in a, uh, you know, the over 400 funerals I've done in that time.
And think about the number of occasions where you, you look into the face of grieving family members and you know, you, you can tell there, I, they don't really hear you. I think God has a way of anesthetizing us during those, those times of, of difficulty just to get us through those difficult few days where you've gotta plan the service and go to the service and, uh, before the real grief process begins.
But the number of times I've stood there as a pastor and I, I can tell everything I'm saying. I may as well be speaking to the ceiling, but the number of times those individuals have come back weeks, months. Even years later, I said, pastor, I, I went back and I listened to that, to that dv watched that DVD of, of the funeral service.
Oh. And it was, it was so timely how that, how your words and the, whether it's my words or the words of those bringing eulogy, how God used that right when I needed it. I'm talking about weeks, months, maybe years later. How those words, as I listened, they ministered to me in, in a way that I needed right then.
That's what Jesus is saying right here. Your grief is so deep right now, you, you're not even hearing what I'm, what I'm saying. That's why there's so many more things I desire to say to you, and I will, and I will say to you. Later. And when this helper comes, when the Holy Spirit comes, what he is going to bring is clarity.
You're going to understand things after my resurrection and when the Holy Spirit comes on the day of Pentecost. When you have this, this encounter with God's spirit, listen, it's gonna be like a light coming on. And you're gonna connect the dots and you're going to understand things that you, that you've never understood before, things that maybe you, you wrongly understood now, then you understand them, them rightly, but that day is, is coming.
He says in verse 13, but when the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak on his own, but whatever he hears, he will speak and he will disclose to you what is to come. Listen, it's very significant here, what Jesus is to God, God's self-expression, the Holy Spirit is to Jesus.
The spirit doesn't come up with his own stuff to speak to us. The spirit bears witness to cry. He brings clarity. Listen, the work of the Holy Spirit is to bring clarity to the things that Jesus has already said and done the things that Jesus. As Paul does now, the reason I'm saying don't forget this, and the reason I think this passage is, is so significant in understanding the role and the work of the Holy Spirit in bringing clarity to what Jesus has already taught.
He doesn't bring new revelations. The person in work of the Holy Spirit is not to bring new revelations from God, but he is to bear witness and testimony. He brings clarity to what Jesus has taught us regarding God the Father, and it's significant because there are charlatans out there today that would come to us and pretend to have new revelations.
They would say, oh, the Spirit has led me. To new revelations from God that I need to share with you. You as a pastor, my experience has been, is that those who are truly led by the spirit of God, they are a people that are rooted and grounded in the word of God. They don't speak from subjective emotions.
God told me this. God told me that. You know, one thing that I've always said is I would never stand before a God stand before a congregation and say to a congregation, listen, God told me to tell you this, that I would not say something that was not already objectively expressed here in God's word. In fact, beware of those that come with special revelations from God.
My mentor in ministry, Paul Powell once said from the pulpit, he said, anytime I hear a preacher say, God told me to tell you this, he said, I grabbed my wallet with one hand. I grabbed my wife with the other one. Beware. Those are charlatans, and so the purpose and the role of the Holy Spirit is to bring clarity.
What God is is going to do, and the way that the spirit, the way that the Spirit works is. In his providential purposes, he takes all of our, all of our circumstances, all of our experiences in life. And as and as we are seeking to walk with the Lord and, and to walk in the spirit. Listen, we discover that the word of God, the word of God is alive.
It is dynamic. It brings, uh, it brings new understanding and applications with life experience, but never new revelations. You know, I go back now, I, I started in my first pastorate. I started manuscripting, my sermons. I just knew that was a discipline I needed to have. I was gonna manuscript every sermon.
And so starting in, you know, 1987, whatever it was, you know, I started manuscripting those sermons. And in subsequent years, you know, when I would go back and look at a particular text, you know, you, the exegesis remains the same. That is the, the exegesis of the text itself. You may have different applications, different illustration, but the exegesis remains the same.
So it would be redundant to do do exegesis. So I'd go back and say, I wonder if I've done anything on this. So I'd go back and look and it might be a sermon from 1989, and I would pull that sermon up and I'd begin reading through that and I'd go, you know, if this was like five years ago, I would look back at that 1989 sermon.
I'd go, oh my soul, I can't believe I said that to those people. I could have said it so much better. I could have said it with so much more richness and fullness and I really couldn't have not in 1989, no, with from 1989 to say 2023. 2024. Oh, there were so many life experiences and encounters with the faithfulness of God that would, that bring so much more richness to that text clarity, understanding, and application that I never had before.
But listen.
[00:38:38] Final Thoughts and Blessing
It only happens as you remain curious, not settled in the religious structure that you have built for yourself. And so the important question, the closing question for each one of us to take home with us and to grapple with on a daily basis is this. Are you curious? Are you curious about what God is doing through the circumstances, not just the difficult circumstances of life, but even the most routine circumstances of life?
Are you curious about the providential purposes of God? That are being accomplished in you and through you.
It's the difference. It's the difference between the life of faith and a comfortable religion. Let's stand and let's bow. We'll be dismissed together with this prayer.
This, I pray this blessing from Paul's letter to the church. It's Philippi in chapter one in verses nine through 11, and this is our prayer and this I pray that your love may overflow still more and more in real knowledge, in all discernment, so that you may discover the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and blameless for the day of Christ having been filled with the fruit of righteousness.
Which comes through Christ Jesus for the glory and praise of God. In Jesus' name, amen. God bless you. Have a good week.