Collateral Damage Pt.1

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Welcome to another episode of the Block Killing Journals. We are your host, Ashley and Nikki B.

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And today we are discussing the dynamics between our parents and their own personal conflicts and how it impacted our lives. Today we have our new guest, Jamal. How y'all doing? Best friend, man. One of the greatest friends I got. Tell us about yourself, man.

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My name is Jamal Harkness. I graduated from John C. Columbia University. I'm from Columbia, South Carolina. Go 803. I enjoy listening to music. I've come from big family, and I can't wait to talk about our topics today.

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All right. So, Jamal, tell us a little about your childhood and the parents, your parents' dynamic, and how that whole ordeal went down.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Okay. So, like I said, uh my intro, I came from a big family. So it was five of us. Uh, I'm the second of five. My dad's the second oldest of six, and my mom's the baby of uh 12. So I think family is the biggest thing that was probably stressed to us being from a big family. You all you got growing up, most of my friends were my family. So I think that, but the dynamic between our parents, um, they were both old school. I both have older parents. They were like, no talking back, yes, ma'am, no mail, no sir, yes, sir, all that, all that good stuff, manners. But one thing that I think they did lack was communication. They're very much uh do as I say, not as I do type parents.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Oh, that's one.

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Um not very strong on the communication front. Um, in my dad's case, not very strong on the emotional front either, like knowing your emotions, emotional awareness. I guess being from the old school, they kind of you know, hold it all in, you're a man, that type of thing. I think comparing that to my childhood, not a lot of places to, for lack of a better term, run when things got hard. And I guess in the long run it worked out, but in the moment, it's like, do you love me type deal? Like, are you really caring about me? Things like that. And I think it moved forward as now I can't, I have trouble communicating maybe emotions and things like that, or prioritizing in some cases, maybe prioritizing family, even if they don't mean well, or if you know they're they're bad for you. I think that's uh those are my dynamics. Well, so what about you, Ashley?

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Um my parents had a very, I don't want to say toxic, but they had a very uh interesting dynamic. Like they were, y'all got married because my mom got pregnant with me. So it wasn't based on like, oh, we want to be together type thing. It was more like of a necessity because of where, you know, when I was born and whatever. So my dad cheated on her their whole marriage. You know, he was not the best father figure once I was old enough to realize what was actually going on between them. Communication, emotions, love just was not there. Like they were only together because of me. So I feel like their that like overall dynamic affected me a lot because it's like, damn, they're only together because of me, and it's shit is miserable. So that I feel like once I was old enough to understand what was going on between them, it was like downhill from there because it made me feel bad. I felt like guilty because they were so unhappy because they had to take care of me. So I felt like my dad was never around, like he was present, but he wasn't present. Like he was physically, like financially taking care of me, but emotionally, he was just not not there at all. And I felt like my mom trying to lack for his um not being there. So she had me in sports, she had me in the best so-called schools, like she tried to distract me from their own issues, so I wouldn't think about it. But I feel like in her efforts, it made me think about it more because I know what she's doing. I know she's trying to distract me, I know she's trying to avoid the issues, but just made me more aware of them. As a child, it it messed me up a lot because I would have rather them been separated than me. Felt like I was the reason that they were unhappy my entire childhood up until I left for college. So yeah. Nicholas, care to share.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Oh, not the government then. Lord Jesus. But yeah, um, like mall, um, my parents, well, my dad is older than my mom. My dad got like 10 years of my mom.

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Same.

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Yeah. So um, I kind of got the teaching of old school because basically I got raised by my grandparents. Like their teachings like was so heavy on my parents that basically I'm learning from my grandparents. So like my mom was raised by my great grandma. She had no real relationship with her mom, so it kind of like trying to like, how can I say it? Do something she's never done before. Yeah, basically. So she was trying to be like more of a mom to me than like her mom was to her. So she was trying, trying to, not saying trying too hard, but she wanted to make an impact more than her mom did for her. But on my dad's side, he's like the more he was a strong silent type, you know. He worked provided at school. Yeah. Came home with a sleep, you know? That's him. Big peefee chicken. Yeah. Get him on the couch. Not then. Mm-hmm. You won't see him again until it's time to go to bed when he's going to bed, you know? So I got emotionless and too emotional. My mom's completely emotional. My dad, I said strong and silent type. So they got divorced. And ever since they got divorced, I felt like I choose between one side or the other. So I thought you my mom's side where she's emotional. I took from my dad's side where he's strong and silent. So like growing up, I was I was kind of like split in in the middle. So that's how I felt like growing up, like, oh, I gotta make a decision between this and that. And never like have a strong feeling of what I, what kind of emotion I had or how I'm gonna go forward and everything I want to do.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So with that being said, as far as the point of parental conflict and how our parents interact with each other, how young or old were y'all when you realized that everything was not rainbows and candy between our parents? So I know with me, it started when I was like early middle school, when I finally clicked that, oh, shit is not how it's supposed to be. Like this is not healthy.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Um, for me, probably like elementary school. Um, my parents are argumentative. They'd be arguing, loud, arguing, yelling, arguing, low blows, argument. So when I my first one, I've had to be in like first or second grade when they got into it real bad one night and actually woke a few of the kids up. Me and my brothers and my older sister woke us up. Um, we didn't tell them, of course, but we definitely talked and everything. Hey, did you hear such my parents? You hear mom and daddy yelling? Did you hear what they were yelling about? What do you think happened? So yeah, I learned very early, this is not uh such shouts and rainbows.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Uh I think for me, it's like my parents got divorced, I was thinking like the second, third grade. And ever since then, I was like, you see the intense, how intense like the the air was when it was in the room together. I saw that very young age. You like you can cut it with a knife. You know, it's always arguing. I see them argue all the time. Soon on site. That's how my parents were on site. As soon as you walk in the house, oh, what the fuck is going on? You know what I'm saying? That's that's how it was. So growing up, like every other day you see an argument, hearing the argument. You're not at an age where you can ignore it because you know you're a kid. So you're gonna listen, you're gonna be in the moment with them. Like, they arguing what you're arguing about. And the came where I gotta choose size, so I go with my mom. She's crying. So I comfort her. But my dad, that's strong and silent, he's looking at me like, hey, it is what it is. So I'll be like my dad, be like my mom. So at a very young age, that mentally just trying to like decide what I want to do because you love both of your parents, you don't want to take sides, but when it comes to divorce, you gotta take sides. Yeah. No matter, no matter how I'm inside that say, oh, we both love you. You don't matter who you decide, who you go with, the decision is always gonna affect somebody. You, them, all together. So definitely affects you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

I definitely pick sides. I remember this one time my parents had like this real bad argument. I don't know what the fuck about, but it was something. Because that story, my dad, he is um mentally challenged. Like he has a learned best in C that's cheap. So like he never had like the best job because he couldn't read or write past the third grade level. So they got uncertain about that all the time. How he never wanted to better his life, never tried to get help. Like she just that shit ate her the fuck up. That he never cared about her enough to try and get help to provide a bit of life for us. And they argued one bad night about something. They looked at me and they was like, who do you want to go with? Like they made me sit there and decide who I wanted to go be with because they just couldn't, they were like at their wit's ends. Like, how do you expect someone that's barely in mid school to decide who they want to go with? Like, who puts that pressure on their children like that? So, like that for a while, I have so much hostility, not hostile resentment toward them, just certain certain stuff like that. I mean, how do you even put your only child together? Because I have three of the siblings. My dad has an older son and my mom has two of the kids. So I'm their only child together. Like, how do you put your kid in that situation to make them choose like between their parents? Like that shit just done make no sense.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Well, my mom was an asshole about it. Mom, you listening, you're an asshole. Simply because when it came time to decide who I want to go with, she pulled the mama card. Who's gonna cook for you? Who's gonna clean up after you? Who's gonna stay up when you're sick? Your dad ain't gonna do it.

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And I point there.

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And I'm like, fuck. But that dad go along. Dad knew. Dad knew he lost, he didn't say shit.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

He knew he lost that argument. Thankfully, uh, I'm blessed. My parents are still married. He'd be like what? 37, 38 years now. So that argument was definitely a face. They had, you know, relationships, they have their ways. But definitely I got an early glimpse. But I guess in the same dynamic, in the same way, I was able to see that, yeah, it gets ugly, but there's a brighter side too. Because, you know, they still together. So they can see, man, you gotta you gotta work. This shit ain't uh sunshine drawing, but it was your yeah, put some work in and get your elbow dirty.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

So, how did y'all like process watching this event as like a child even now? Do you still process it or is this still something that you worked past?

SPEAKER_02 11:38

I don't think I processed it until I started talking to young ladies, honestly. Because that's when you realize that shit shit is broken. For lack of a better term. Um, when you start realizing, okay, uh, maybe yelling and smart mouthing and having a smart mouth isn't the best way to run a relationship or to talk to people. So you kind of learn through trial and error, and you're like, oh, why am I like this? Or you're like, oh that's what my grandparents are. And that's all my parents are here. And me and my sibling, that's how we show affecting. You talk trash, you talk shit. That's me and my guys, me and my friends, you talk shit, you talk trash. This is how daily, but exactly. But so that's so when I started dealing with women, that's why I'm like, oh, can't talk to everybody like that. Like, that's not a normal way of talking to people. You having that smart of a mouth, it's not people are some people are sensitive. People, people words hurt. And that's what I think I learned. Um, when I started dealing with young ladies, like me, what you say has an effect on people. I didn't know it then, but you kind of see it manifest as you get older and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

You know, I didn't process well, I didn't choose to process any of my parents' issues till I got in college, honestly. Like my entire high school, I just suppressed it because I was like, for what? Why deal with it? Because they're not. I gave up after like my ninth grade year. Like, that's always gonna be like this. Like, I'm just used to the the the trauma at this point. It didn't get to my mom, she bought her first like house house about three, like right after COVID, she bought her first house. And when they went through their official divorce, like they're divorced now for like almost two years now. And now they have like the most perfect friendship. And that shit pissed me off so bad for the longest time. Cause I'm just like, you wait till now to get along, like just just forget my whole childhood. Like, you wait till you're divorced and he's coming over every day for dinner, and y'all are going out to movies and hanging out, like y'all are cool. Like, what is this nonsense? Like, I had so much resentment towards both of them for the longest, like when she bought her house, like after I graduated college. Y'all waited 22, 23 years to figure this shit out now. So it's just like I don't know, it's just I processed it and I'm I'm I'm healing. I'm still going healing the price healing process to that, but I'm just like when I finally processed it, the situation for what it was, it made me very, like, very angry. More than that was what I'm saying, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Yeah. Actually, my parents were the same way too. When they got divorced, they had conversations talking. Did I get dropped off one of their houses? They talked for like 30, 40 minutes. I like, can we fucking go? Yeah, y'all was just married. I didn't want to talk then. Now you want to talk. But what for me was growing up where I prosted, I was lost. I was completely lost because you try to watch your grandparents, then try to watch your parents and see how shit is totally different between old love and at the time that was new love then. So you see your grandparents married for 40 years, five kids. They may argue, they may do this stuff, but they're still together. Then you see your parents, and like, what the hell happened? So I was all confused, I was lost. So I I didn't really process it until I got older. I realized, okay, you can be in love, then you can fall out of love, stuff like that. But it's how you do it, you know? Uh-huh. You know, so love is every l every lasting project, you know, you gotta work on that shit every day. That's right. Love me is. So when I when I seen that, like, yeah, I really didn't try to work things out. You know, my mom was quick to move on. Like, she's the type work. Okay. She's very hard-headed, headstrong. So when she finds somebody else, she's gone for that. So she was ready to leave my dad, stuff like that. And I and I seen that process. Okay, I see my mom move on before my dad move on. Like you get, you know, he gives real traits from your mom and dad. Some traits get more from a certain parent. So I know that trait I got from my dad was fuck it, it is what it is. And we try to go by day by day, but really don't really acknowledge it. You know, they don't talk about it. So he was kind of type where it happens, but he really don't talk about it. So he just moved out, sold the house, stuff like that, and that was it. My mom, she did this, she looked found in a relationship, she talked about it with us, like, yeah, I'm doing this, doing that. But then my dad didn't even talk about it. So yeah, I got another house. That's it. Then but shit starts like downspiral ever since the divorce. So they happened third grade, sixth grade, fifth grade, my brother went to jail. So dad trying to fill that void of being the little, like the little brother to the only child with divorced parents, and try to fill the void where you got really got nobody to talk to. So you really can't process it because you're growing up in an age where you want that that fatherly love, that brotherly love, but you don't have it because you're with your mom. Your mom can't teach you things that your father can't. Process like that. So that's where I lost the process where I was kind of lost growing up.

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Well, yeah, I think um, especially with like when you think about how we are now as adults, do y'all it may be different for guys. I don't know. Do y'all feel like the way y'all parents interacted or raised y'all affected how y'all attach to people now, like romantically?

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Definitely. Definitely. That was so um looking at my dad, I got that fuck it attitude. Yes. I got that fuck it attitude. Like, I won't be that strong and silent type. And I said in like a previous episode where my great-grandma died and my mom lost it, you know, she was emotionally shut down. And somebody told me, you gotta be strong for your mom, you can't show emotions, you can't do nothing. So you gotta be a Rick Raw. And I took that to heart. So that's when I started looking at my dad, like, my dad is not gonna show no kind of emotions. I only see him cry like twice. And say, I don't see my dad died. That's when his parents died. His mom and dad died, that's not the same when I seen him cry. So going from saying a grown man, that's you know, that's your father figure, you only see him cry twice in your whole life. To your mom where she cried every other day. So, okay, let me blame my dad, let me be the strong silent type. And right now, I'm just not trying to get into my emotions where I'm talking to my mom about the past, talking to my dad about the past. So right now, as an adult, yeah, I got some things to work out because emotionally, I have none. You know, so I'm not there emotionally. But as far as like physical, mentally being there, I'm I'm there, you know what I'm saying? But emotionally, I'm I I was I'm not there yet. Working on it. I'm not there yet.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

I think for me, I guess it's where having a big family comes in, comes into play. It helps a lot, because I have my siblings. So I think because my mom's like my dad, they didn't really show emotion that much. Like they we we we know you love us, but they weren't like the type to say it all the time, stuff like that. So I think having siblings, it forces you, it forces somebody to be emotionally aware. And this would happen to be me, because my older sister, she's like, it's a separate topic, but the oldest person, the oldest siblings normally like a third parent.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

So she can't really, she's not really emotional either. So somebody has to be the one when little brother hurts himself, they have to come to somebody. Baby sister crying, they gotta go to somebody. And if my mom wasn't there or my dad at work, it was normally me. I was the one normally like being the one that people could come and talk to. I think how that affected me moving forward. It's like for a lot of my friends, I'm the one that they can at least just come eventually. Because I come from a place of empathy. And I think a lot of people don't understand the difference between empathy and sympathy or have or how to empathize with somebody. So I think having siblings, I learned that through trial and error, because our parents were giving us um those types of tools, and I think moving forward into like relationships and the workplace and things like that. Being able to empathize, I I'm still bad at I don't, I'm I'm lip-lopped when it comes to like expressing it, but being able to listen and help people, I guess, figure out what they're going through or figure out their thoughts. I think that's how it kind of made its way through, how it kind of evolved and to run in.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

I know with me, I just recently started going back to therapy. So my therapist has been helping me, like help me to understand because I'm a very emotional person. Like I'm very emotionally aware of how sensitive I am. And she always tells me that because of the lack of, I guess, love or emotion that I need as a child, I'm always that person to other people. And so, like, I'm always, like, even you guys saying my friends, like, I'm always there emotionally, mentally. If you need me, I'm gonna be there. Cause I feel like everyone needs somebody to be there for them. I never got that when I was a kid. So, like, it's my almost natural reaction to want to be that for other people, even if it's not always putting me in the best situations at times. And I also feel like with my because of the lack of love from my dad when it comes to meet with other guys, my attachment style is like the second I get attention, I'm like hooked, and I hate that. So it's like, you know, yeah. I'm working through it, I'm working through it. But it's like I'm aware now that that's where it's coming from because I got my first boyfriend of high school. I was like, that I was in love and I was ready to get. Marrying all this other BS until I realized. Yeah, I was like, you know, that's different for guys though. Like girls. The male attention is like when you lack it from your dad, you seek it elsewhere. So that's what I was doing. Like my whole high school. Like I was what I had to do to get attention, like stuff like that. So now that I'm aware of it, I'm I'm working on it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

I think it's the same for men too, uh, with the mom and daddy issues thing as far as attention. But it sounds like we're all kind of in the same boat. Over extenders, always there. The yes name for somebody in most cases. I know for a fact I've never seen him say no. If somebody did. Yeah, never. I've never, never seen him say no. So I think biggest damn problem. See, I think that's how it affected all of us in the same, kind of the same way. Just being always there, not knowing personal boundaries for ourselves. Yeah. Type of. I know for me, sometimes I feel like if I say no, I let you down and I let you down, I let myself down, letting you down. So now I'm messed up in the head because I think I messed you up in the head. Now I'm like, now we all not everybody messed up.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Yeah, I think for me, it's just I hate telling people no because I like to tell them no lease. And like my attachment style is like, well, damn.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

They weren't there growing up, they're not here now. Like, what do I have to do to, you know, make people stay around for me and feel like I'm worth it, you know? But you know, now I'm I'm better to where I don't care anymore, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Hey, that's true. That's the same way because like I said, with the divorce, when I chose my mom, I had a sort of look on my dad's face. I'm like, I don't know. He said, You motherfucker. I know he said, You little bastard. You a little bastard, but but from that instance, I knew that, damn, I I knew I kind of low-key disappointed my dad. Never said that, like, damn, I can't say no. You know, say if he asked me to do something now, I would drive. See, he stayed in Atlanta, I would drive four hours, no, no hesitation. Both parents. And it just that, like I said, being a yes man, just probably my biggest downfall, but my biggest upside of myself. So I'm I want to be there, be there for somebody in their time of need, whether it's small or big, but sometimes you you put yourself last over other people.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

I think that in relationships that hurts too, because then we tend to stay too long.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

True. Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Tell me about it. Because then it's like, I know you're attached to me. Breaking up is actually harder for me than I think it would be for you, because I feel like I'd be letting you down even more. Even though it's it's probably what's best for me. We're not working out clearly or something. It's just like letting you down, just or for I guess for some cases, women, they when you break up, most times they cry. And seeing somebody cry or seeing somebody express like, oh, you hurt me.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

I guess knowing the fact that I hurt somebody is like that's the one that's just like, you know, a couple more months might not hurt. Maybe they chat. This is what I want to do. She's getting a new job. Maybe, you know, 20 fucking years later. And that's how it goes. But I think that's a big one, too.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

So, what do y'all feel like is some good advice for people who maybe had the same experience as us growing up?

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Understand that your parents were only doing what they thought was best in some cases. Um understand that you probably weren't raised on love. You were raised on survival. I think being raised on survival, a lot of that emotions, lovey dummy shit is pushed to the back burner. So a lot of that stuff you're gonna have to work out when you get older, like everybody, like we all are. Therapy. Therapy is a good one. Therapy is always a good one. For me, it's what is whatever makes you happy or relaxed. Like for me, um music, I put on anything, smooth jazz, or just something that helps me think. You know. Um, RB, like tens or something, I just go somewhere and just listen to the music and go hop and relax. Maybe smoke and just think about everything. Help me get my collect my thoughts together. Those are some of my techniques.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Uh well, my advice for people like with divorced parents or being a yes man, you gotta think about yourself first, you know. Like you can't help nobody else and let you help yourself, you know, and how the thing going. But I feel like you gotta understand it's not your it's not your fault for your parents' decision. Yeah. Now a lot of people like blame themselves. Like they put the pressure on them like to make it right, to make up the downfall of their parents' relationship. Like, you're you're the child. You know what I'm saying? You didn't ask to be you didn't you didn't tell your parents to fuck. You didn't tell your dad not to pull out, you know what I'm saying? Right. So their decision. Their decision, you know what I'm saying? Y'all was in a McDonald's parking lot, not me. You know?

SPEAKER_02 26:50

All right. I hope I hope you work this evening in a Matt Donald parking lot. I was the mean ass nickname. That's why I don't like McDonald's now. It's a mean ass nick Matt.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

Hey, whoa. It's my parents. That's my parents. I but yeah, the uh like you you gotta what was that song?

SPEAKER_00 27:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Okay, but yeah, um it's not it's not your fault. It's not it's not your fault. So you try to make up, like I said, you try to make up the downfall from their their lack of relationship. So you can't you can't fix it all, you know. I think that's my problem. I try to fist their relationship. Well, not trying to fix it, but like try to mend what. You know what I'm saying? So me trying to spend time with with her, uh my mom, spent time with my dad and like playing sports, brought them together, you know. I try to stay in sports. I know if I'm at a baseball game, they could be there. If I'm in the football game, they're gonna be there. But it was never like that. Oh, they might get back together or they might have a better relationship or stuff like that. But it's nothing I can really do with the fish. Like I said, my mom was very headstrong. She made her in mind up a long time ago. But my my dad was like, okay, it's hey, I I still love your mom. You know, if we want to get back together, we can. You know, he told me that. So I'm like, okay, it can still be hope. But being uh being an adult now, it's like I wasted, I almost said I wasted so much time trying to like mend that relationship, I had to really focus on myself. Like, okay, who am I growing up? You know what I'm saying? I was worried about uh my mom, okay, my dad, okay. What are y'all doing to like cope, you know what I'm saying, we'll be in divorce from each other. You know, my dad stayed single forever. My mom in our relationships, I'm like, y'all can never find that love again. I'm like, okay, maybe I can be the peace to bring them back together. That's I I lost the focus on myself. Like, okay, me growing up in relationships, like, I didn't care for it because my parents were together. I didn't see that love, so I like I didn't I didn't care about love growing up. And I think that's my biggest downfall. And I wish I could like go back and like, okay, maybe I should get love a try because you know it's still love out there for myself. But I didn't see that love of my parents. I'm like, love has gotta be shit, you know? Being in a relationship gotta be it gotta be something wrong with being in a relationship. I'm gonna run from it. So I think that's that would kind of affect me growing up. Like, okay, I need to step back and like really realize where am I as myself, not I'm not my parents. And I'm not trying to be like my parents anymore. So I'm trying to be my own person and I can see things turning for myself. Like, okay, I can be in a relationship now, I can give other people a chance, I can give love a chance, stuff like that now. And that that's that's I kind of kind of figured it out a little bit. I ain't figured it all out yet, but work in progress.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

I think my biggest, my biggest advice for people, or from my perspective, be to to speak up. I feel like so many of my issues with my parents that I feel like contributed to I am now could have been avoided. I would have told them not 20 years after the fact. Yeah. Like most of these issues I have with them, they just might not like two, three years ago. I'm just like just not ready to have that hard conversation. Like, y'all really fucked me up, you know that, right? Like, I just was not ready to have that talk. But I feel if I would have addressed it like earlier, once I realized it was there, I could have saved so much trauma. I could have been in a healthier mindset, I feel like now. But you know, you live and you learn.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

You live and we learn what's happening. You don't know what you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Exactly. And with that, ladies and gentlemen, concludes another episode of the Black Keelan Journals. I want to thank our host, Jamal, for coming and joining us.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Thank you. It's colored being here.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Y'all can come back next week for our part two episode where we'll be talking about love lessons and how our parents' dynamics affect our adult relationships now. You can follow us on social media, Instagram, Facebook, and also rate and review our podcast on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

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SPEAKER_00 31:04

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Yay, we're new.