Learn English through conversational

Learn English through conversational 

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Doing good, but I can see that there's no respite from winter so far.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Yes. The weather was getting hotter, but the thing is today it just took a U-ton. Yes, it's cloudy. Yes, it's cloudy, cloudy, and it seems it can rain, or it I am pretty sure it will rain today.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Okay, but I'll tell you what's funny. I mean, we are geographically quite apart. Uh, we are in completely different directions. But I'll tell you when I woke up in the morning, it was a little cloudy here as well, and there was a little bit of chill in the air. We have completely come out of winters, there's no doubt about it. In fact, a couple of nights ago, we were contemplating whether we should turn on the AC or oh my god, okay. Don't do this. I mean, this is just going to get worse. During the global warming, the years, the coming years are just going to keep getting hotter. You cannot keep moving. I remember the time where ACs used to come into role in the months of May. May May May.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yes, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:04

That moved to April. Now we have started using it in March, and we have to use it in Feb. I said no, please stick without it, without at least April. Because how are you going to manage otherwise? Things are getting very weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yes, yes. Though I am uh wearing uh a cotton suit, it's not uh something in woolen, but I have to wear this sweater because I was uh feeling cold and I don't want to get into again cold, fever, and sore throat, so it's better to take prevention.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

My daughter just got uh caught that and she's been coughing uh since last night. And we have started the honey and black pepper remedy. So we are hoping that it gets controlled with that because you know it's happening every three months or four months, and every time you consult a doctor, they just directly tell you that uh, you know what, go on antibiotics because it is some or the other form of viral all the time. You can't have your body go through so much every that is the thing that we are trying to control it through the home remedies. Let's see, hoping for the best.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Yes, we should we should go for home remedies. That's what exactly I do. I never directly uh go for any medicine, I just try to uh cure these symptoms with some kara or these uh whatever you told me. But yes, I add uh ginger juice, a few drops of ginger, also yes, yes, that is very helpful when you specially have cold, cold and cough. Okay, for cough also ginger juice. Yes, right, it works as the panasiya ramban, just husband. So I just yes, right.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

So I just you know what maybe is helpful for us is that no matter what time of the year, all 12 we have ginger tea. Yes, the tea at our house is never prepared without adding ginger tea.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Ginger, okay, lovely.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Like for us. That is why at least uh you know, we've built up a little bit of immune.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Immune through that, through that, but whenever it it is about uh catching cold or cough, so I always prefer uh uh honey and a few drops of ginger, correct and what else? These two things. I I don't add that uh black pepper, which you mentioned, but it works, but it works for my husband and my son. So I am I feel so blessed that I don't have to go with those uh uh cough syrup.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Absolutely, and the school doesn't allow, you know. Uh so if at all you start with any of these medicines, they have to take it after three hours after the meal. So the school doesn't allow that because of course they have their own reasons sometimes, they just want to be sure that the child doesn't consume it at the wrong time or the wrong point. So who will take the responsibility for that? They completely say a big no to that. So if your child is sick, please keep him or her at home, which I think I agree with. The rule I agree with. Yes, why should you put the other children also at risk?

SPEAKER_01 4:21

True.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Right. So that is how the scene is here, also. Uh, the weather change is causing a lot of issues. So let's hope that we e we get on either side, you know, either summer or winter. This is like we are hanging, dangling in between.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Yes, I guess nature is playing with us. Uh, one thing I just want to mention here that uh uh nature doesn't uh take revenge, it just reacts. So I guess it is letting us taste our own medicine, right? Because whether it's truly volatile, we never know. Sometimes it's hot, sometimes it becomes suddenly cool, so unpredictable. So, yes, that's how nature is trying to teach us a lesson.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

When you said that uh it does not uh take revenge, it reacts to us or responds to us. I remember uh reading a question a long time ago and uh it just stuck with me. It said that uh would you say that justice or karma is nothing but revenge? You know, when you say that uh don't worry about it, karma will do its job, or you are wishing for karma to do its job, then somewhere you are waiting for revenge. Like some part of you is waiting for the time when the other person has to go through what he probably or she probably made you go through, right? So it can be said that it's a uh more glorified term for revenge.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yes, we can say, moreover, uh, what I believe it depends on the intention, right? Sometimes you just want you just hold grudges against each anyone. You want to see that person in trouble, okay. Okay, that may be and when that person goes through a rough patch, you feel happiness, you feel a sense of uh contentment. That is a pure form of revenge, evil. I think that's evil, yes, yes, evil or through that, but um karma, karma is all about uh what goes around comes around, okay? Right? So, yes, I do believe in karma. Sometimes I feel I some people hurt me. Okay, let's say they hurt me with their actions or their words, so I just wait for the right time. I don't want them to go through a difficult situation or a rough patch. I just want to prove by my own actions, by you know, uh reaching that level where maybe let's say if they question my integrity, okay, I truly don't want to see them in trouble, but I would be happy to see myself growing and growing each and every day. That's what I believe karma is. Karma is all about, maybe as I said, that nature is letting us face our own medicine, but not in that uh cruel uh sense. Okay, not in that. So that karma and revenge, karma comes purely with your own action and intention. Okay, revenge is your resentment, your jealousy, your insecurities. That is a sense of revenge. So nature can't be so cruel to us if it if it if it reacts in a very weird way, okay. Last year, last two last year, uh, we all know about him, Achel and Uttarakhand. But we are responsible for that. We can't deny, we can't deny, okay. Nature kept giving us alarms, okay. Wake up calls. We didn't care. Yes, yes, that's it. Okay, so then uh for to to what extent you are going to you are going to be in that shell where you will be doing anything and you don't don't uh expect anything, or you don't you don't want to face your uh results. And the thing is uh they say when nature reacts it doesn't see uh who is good and who is bad.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Okay, you all have to face the uh consequences as human beings. I believe uh we are more into revenge, taking revenge.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Yes, yes, we are, and you know, uh like you mentioned that the intention matters the most, right? Even if you're doing something good, but your intention is that of either showing superiority or making the other person feel patronized, then that knowledge or that sharing or that concern is of no use whatsoever. Right? So, very truly said, and uh, maybe just to add on, I would say that uh when it comes to nature, it can never be any other way. This has never been like we are being punished or we are being taken revenge against it can never be that because it is simply what we have thrown in. And the best example is you know, every morning you go to the beach here in Mumbai, and everything which was thrown into the sea, it gives it right back. Yes, that is nature, okay. Probably one day it will miss, two days it will miss, the third day without fail, it will bring out everything that you threw inside. Yes, so if that doesn't teach you, I don't know what will again.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

We turn a blind eye, right? We don't want to shoulder the responsibility, that is the same, and um the globe, this uh change of weather or global warming. What is this? This is nothing, it it is uh the result of everything that is going on that is happening around us, it just as you sow, so shall you rape? So that is uh now it's time to harvest whatever uh we have uh sown. Now it's time to get it back, right for the concept. Right, yes, that is it, and then we blame nature, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

No, but that is what I'm saying, you know. I don't think that anywhere at any point of time it has always given us even today when we are blatantly just going against nature, people are just continuously cutting trees, they are clearing land for some or the other odd reason. The Supreme Court is passing the judgment, the government is nobody cares, nobody cares. So I don't know if not now, then when. And the biggest problem I find in is passing this on to my daughter. That is the thing because they observe even if we keep teaching them something, there are just two people trying to teach something, but around her, she sees uh for the rest of the hours in a day a more number of people doing something completely opposite. So the effect wears off. Yes, the effect of what we teach it wears off. So let's hope that you know we have to reach 40, we probably have another 25-30 years by God's grace. So it is them who are responsible next. So I have already started giving up on it.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Right? What makes me feel uh surprised or very happy? You you always pique my mind. The thing is, uh, I have reached a certain level, I can express myself, but the the choice of words, your choice of words is ultimate. I just love the way you express yourself, the words you use every time I fall for your your words, your body language, truly, truly, and I am like, okay, I have to pick this word also from Raji. I just love it, and the thing is I can feel that equally equal mental mindset.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

It's telepathy.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yes, right, right, and uh yes, I I hardly find those people whom I can say whom I can uh connect intellectually, and you are one of them. The thing is, yes, I uh I'm not still still I struggle sometimes to find accurate words, to find those polished words, right? Because uh usually I don't have these conversations in English. That is the thing that makes the difference, yes, yes. So it becomes difficult to find those words, to use those words in everyday life. Usually with my learners, I have to be quite basic and simple. Okay, uh, but I love uh connecting with you, I love interacting with you. I uh have uh a list of words, expressions with me, and I want to discuss with you. Um, okay, so shall we start with that? Um, we can discuss these random topics, but I want you to use these words so that my audience learn. Sometimes I use all these kinds of expressions, very simple. As far as the second is regardless of, and the more the more. So tell me, uh, in our conversation, as far as let's start with as far as so.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

You know, I don't generally believe in translating because a lot of things are different in English, right? Yes, but over here, this is an example where you can use translation.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

As far as I am concerned, as far as my knowledge goes, as far as I can recall, as far as I am learned about or I am informed about. So all of this, okay. So it's a literal translation for

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SPEAKER_00 14:46

that.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

Right, right. Okay, so I could say uh as far as nature is concerned, and I don't think so, it takes revenge,

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SPEAKER_01 15:30

it just reacts.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Yes, right, yes, or it it gives back to you whatever you have, whatever it has received. Received, yes, right. Okay, so that is as as far as next is regardless. So that is something where you are just making the contrasting sentence, the second sentence is in contrast to the first, or vice versa. Okay, it doesn't necessarily the two parts of the sentence both are in contrast with each other. So, first of all, regardless of her being awarded, okay, she was dissatisfied with her performance. Okay, so it doesn't matter that she was awarded, but she was not happy with her performance herself. Or regardless of the um humiliation, he went ahead and spoke to her friend. Love you. Okay, okay, even though he was uh humiliated, he still went ahead and spoke to the other person. Now, if we try to make it on a bigger scale, so when we are looking at the bigger picture or the view of things, so regardless of the money spent on the bridge, it is still a very uncomfortable drive. Okay, so even though all of this was done, so even though is another way of design saying the same sentence, okay, regardless of regardless of okay. Now I can put it in the other side of the sentence also. Okay, I reached on time regardless of being delayed by the train.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

I put it on the other side also, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Okay, and even though the train was late, I reached on time. I managed to reach on time. I managed to reach on time. Okay, okay. Uh, regardless of uh age, anyone can learn English.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Yes, like when you tell your learners you can learn English regardless of your medium of education. So even though you are a passive from Hindi medium or any vernacular medium, you can still learn English. You can that doesn't close as correct.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Lovely. Regardless of her illness, she managed to pass the exam with flying colors.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Yes, correct. Okay, alright. So is it clear? Then we come to the more the more. So here we have to remember there are two phrases again in the sentence, right? And the more is first used in one and then in the other. Both of them are in comparison, and they both are either rising or they are deteriorating, decreasing, declining, and the more you study, the better the results.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Love you. The more you study, the better the result.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

The better the results. This is the trick that you have to keep in mind. That this is not about the being the article, it is about the being the adverb.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

In simple words, sometimes we say the more we uh practice, the more we become confident. The more we practice the merrier.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Uh huh. We say the more, the merrier. Yes. That phrase, right? Yeah, let all of them come. So the more the number of people, the better the enjoyment fun will be.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Yes, true, true.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Okay, simply. Another thing is that the second part doesn't necessarily have more, but the second part depends upon what is the other item. What is the other product that you are talking about or the other scenario that you're talking about?

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Okay, it's not necessarily that every time we have to use more the more twice.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

It will just be in the comparative degree, right? In the comparative degree, so these are the two things that you can keep in mind while making with the more and whatever the next adverb that you use. Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

The more I listen, the better I speak, or the more I read, the better I write. Yes, here we are not using the more. We just replace it better. Okay, yes, yes. I think when we go through or when we learn certain expressions, uh, and when we follow these patterns as it is, it becomes easy.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Yes, right? We don't have to get into grammatical rules and if your role demands or your destination, your position demands. Now, that is why I think we spoke about this one day that you are a tutor, you ought to know because if the learners ask you a question, you should have an explanation immediately ready, immediately, right, right. This is a part of our job, we need that. But if somebody works in the corporate or is an artist or is a performer, why would you need to know this is adverb, this is noun? What am I gonna do with it? Yes, not that my circles, not my monkeys, keep it with you.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

True that, true that that's what I guess I keep telling uh in my classes because sometimes uh uh we run three WhatsApp groups, okay. So, WhatsApp groups are basically we we are providing you a platform to uh practice with your co-learners, okay. Additionally, uh, we provide you live sessions. So, some people come with a lot of questions. If you are uh not supposed to become a teacher, okay, or you don't have to teach this language. What is the um what is the need to get into these nitty gritties of grammar? Because this way they make other people confused by asking certain invalid and very, very silly questions. Yes, right? So sometimes it becomes difficult to make them understand.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Um and that is even telling my learners when they ask me questions like why is this up over here, or you know, sometimes with phrasal verbs. Yes, how it happens every time the preposition changes, the meaning changes. So if you really want to practice that, then be diligent with the with your practice, be consistent with your practice. Pick five sentences every day, but make sure you keep coming back to it. And second, is if you want to target multiple areas in grammar, every exercise whatsoever is reading. Reading, true, preposition, articles, tenses, articulation, subject verb agreement, everything you'll get there.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yes, and right. The difficult task is when you are just explaining something, okay? First of all, they interrupt you uh your thought, and the question comes, ma'am. Uh, which adverb is this? I mean, what you have to do? That sometimes Mary Nisto, she comes to me and she sometimes she behaves um such a way that I feel surprised. No one questions me, but if I use I was shocked, so people will be like shocked to the basic word, basic word, it should be flabbergasted or it should be taken aback, okay? But Hindi me, do we say ashare chakit, kin katta we mudo or as sponges? No. So we have a very bookish approach towards learning this language. Second thing, we Indian, we make we pick holes in native speakers. Can you imagine? So I was telling this thing that we are so into picking mistakes, we don't want to learn, we don't want to appreciate anyone's efforts. We are just like, okay, it's not doing it, we are galty. I tell you, this is because we are into make uh finding mistakes. That is it. Even native speakers are not, we have we haven't spared them. So that is how I was telling them please take it easy, don't make it a big or large, huge mountain. It just take it as your uh as you take your first language and uh don't get into these nuances of grammar. Every time we are not in that frame of mind, that we can exactly tell you the curate point.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Because you might not be in that position that I'll explain people immediately understand. You probably need to clear your base and exactly first.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Ah, that is the thing. You are uh supposed to answer each and every question because you are a teacher, you are a tutor, you can't afford saying no. Okay. So thank you so much for joining, and I'll see you around soon.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

You have a great day ahead. Bye bye, take care.