Building Wealth After the NFL | Larry English

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In this episode of Wealth Made Simple, Karlton Dennis sits down with former NFL linebacker and first-round draft pick Larry English to unpack a remarkable journey to professional athlete and successful entrepreneur. Larry shares how his early vision for greatness, supported by a strong family foundation, helped him avoid common pitfalls and commit fully to his goals — ultimately becoming the first-ever first-round pick out of Northern Illinois University.

But Larry's story doesn't stop at the NFL. He opens up about the mindset shift required to transition from football into business and the personal health awakening that inspired him to pursue a life of high performance and purpose. From overcoming post-career health concerns to building a cutting-edge health optimization ecosystem, Larry breaks down how performance health, neurofeedback, and functional medicine have become the secret weapons in his entrepreneurial playbook.

The conversation also dives into money management, entrepreneurship, marriage, and fatherhood — with Larry offering lessons learned from both wins and setbacks. Whether you're building a business, pursuing peak performance, or looking for inspiration to live a more intentional life, this episode is packed with wisdom, candor, and practical insights from a man who’s done the work on and off the field.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

What's going on, guys? I'm here with Larry English, NFL athlete, husband, father, and entrepreneur. Happy to have you here today. Thank you so much for having me, brother. So, Larry, most of most people identify with you as an athlete, but we're removed from that right now. Yeah. Couple years removed. So talk to me about how you got into um the NFL first and then your transition out of the NFL and what you're doing now. Yeah, so perfect.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Um the NFL is uh was a life's dream from better yet, a vision from a very early age. I don't know what it was, but like I just remember kind of like having like the these kind of like memories and you know, spots and like glimpses of like back when the TVs were still kind of like fuzzy, and I was like a little kid, and I just saw this game of football, these guys and like helmets and pads running around, like didn't know what was going on, but I was so intrigued by that game. And I remember telling my you know my mother, her father, grandparents that I wanted to play football, and uh, you know, that was 1994, the first day my grandfather took me out uh to get signed up for Pop Warner Ball. There we go. And uh from the second, you know, I stepped on that field, now it was hot, um, but I just loved the game. It was so, it was it was so much fun. I was just running around having fun as a kid. Yep. And um I had a vision for the fact that this was something that I wanted to do. And not only was it something that I wanted to do, I couldn't see myself doing anything else. So, you know, I was fortunate enough to have like a family that was really super like focused on me doing what I needed to do in the classroom and to a certain degree insulating me from some of like the distractions that were going on in like the community where I was growing up. A lot of my friends like got in trouble and you know ended up not making the most out of themselves and things of that nature. Um, but my mother worked in sales my whole life and took every penny of her earnings to make sure that uh we got to go across town to the private school. And so that's where all her money went is to putting us in that school. Okay. And it gave me like this um, it gave me like a broader perspective point of reference, was able to stay out of trouble. So do you think private school like had a bigger impact on you? Yeah. Absolutely. In my community, yeah, because um the public school system where I grew up, um, it was it just wasn't it wasn't it wasn't the best. There were a lot of distractions. Um in those days there was a relative amount of you know gang activity and things of that nature. Um so where did you grow up? Uh so in a town called Aurora, Illinois. It's about 20 miles uh west of the city of Chicago. Nice. Um and so you know, at that time you had, especially like in the school system, you had like a lot of like the wannabe, you know, affiliated gang members that, you know, despite the fact that they might not have been the people that were out there active, you know, committing heinous crimes, it was the whole energy around aspiring to be around and like those guys. Yeah. And unfortunately, what ended up happening is a lot of kids and my friends that were like that when we were young kids, you ultimately make your way closer and closer towards becoming these things that you hold in high regard, right? Yeah. And so it was a lot of that was going on. Yep. So, like a lot of my friends had opportunities, they didn't have to maybe go that route, but it was maybe glamorous. And so you played the part for so long that you end up actually getting caught in that life. Yeah. And it didn't really have to happen that way, right? Yeah. Um, so I think that me, my mom having this foresight to have me in like this private school system, yeah. Um, kept me insulated from that. And the fact that since I had this sport, the sport of football that I was so passionate about, yeah, that I saw as my the vision for my life and didn't see it any other way, um, it kept me, it kept me where I focused to the degree I needed to on my studies, and I stayed out of trouble because I knew that I was optimizing to get uh a scholarship because I was like, I ain't paying for college. What I'm paying for, my investment into you is going right now. Yeah. So ain't no uh college, you know, fun. You better get a scholarship.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

So that was my mindset. You're in private you're in private school. I went to private school too in high school, but yeah, I knew my parents put me in private school too for similar situations, bro. Yeah, people around me were making crazy decisions, and she knew that putting me in an all-boys Catholic high school was gonna keep me on the straight and narrow. Same thing for my brothers. And you know what? For better or worse, I was willing to do it. Yeah, but that being said, as soon as I got into football, football was from let's just say May until about December. So I went directly into track and field right after football to just kind of keep myself busy in the offseason. So what were you doing to kind of keep basketball? You were doing basketball.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Okay, yeah. I've been playing a year in high school. I will say that I hate my hat on that.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Uh but you know the football guys that don't do football in the offseason, don't do another sport in the offseason, they get in trouble. Yeah, yeah. I saw that happen so often. Did you?

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Yeah, and I also frankly just didn't want to have to just do because they had started this like winter conditioning stuff. So after football season, if you weren't playing another sport that you had to be in that winter condition, I didn't want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah, yeah. The winter conditioning always sucks. Yeah, I went straight over the track. I'm just gonna go run. Yeah. All right, so we get past high school. When did the scholarships start rolling in? Were you a sophomore? Were you a junior when teams started reaching out to you? When did you start receiving your scholarships?

SPEAKER_02 6:17

So um, I started getting that um the true serious interest um right after my junior season, or no, maybe like midway after through my junior season in high school. And I would say for maybe a six to nine month window, I went really uh I became really focused on that and where I was gonna commit when the when the actual offers began coming in because I wanted to like secure myself. Uh like I I fell for like the little um the game they run, like all the scholarships here now, but there's only so many of them. So you gotta because they want you to commit everything. Yeah, of course. And uh and I think there was a part of me that wanted to play my senior season with it all like decided that I already had a scholarship and not expose myself to anything blocking my blessing, like getting injured or anything like that, right? Yeah, so I wanted to commit before um my senior year, and so I did that. So I committed to uh northern Illinois. Oh, so you went to NIU.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

You committed to NIU? I did. Wow. What okay, so that's close to home for you. That's close to home for you. Yeah, what other scholarships rolled in?

SPEAKER_02 7:42

So what happened is um NIU at the time, that season when they were heavily recruiting me, they had a running back at the time by the name of uh Michael Turner, who was a Heisman candidate. They had beaten Alabama that season, they beat Maryland that season, Maryland and Sean Merriman, they took them down. And uh and um Iowa State, they so they beat like some big Power Five programs. Yeah. And that year they had gotten all the way up to like I think number 10 or 11 in the BCS rankings. And they were like right down the road. And so it was this scenario where I knew my family could like come to my games. Yeah. And so there was part of me that like really wanted to go, like I wanted to go away and pay for a Big Ten school. Yeah. And at that time, I I wanted to play for Iowa. Okay. But what happened is Northern offered me early, and then every single other like mid-major school then followed on and offered and became that began heavily recruiting me. Yeah. Um, and part of me like wanted to hold out for that Big Ten. It was like University of Illinois and Iowa. It's really Iowa was where I wanted to go. Um, I was getting a little bit of interest from Notre Dame and stuff like that, but I hadn't played out my senior year yet. Yeah. And so since those guys, the big boys, they had the pick of the litter, they kind of wanted to hold off on giving my official offer and like kind of like strung me along a little bit. So I was like, guys, like if I don't get something now, I'm committing to the Northern. So I did that. I committed to Northern. And then ultimately what ended up happening is I played um, I followed through and played like an incredible uh senior season. Probably was more than this, probably the best year yet. And then those bigger schools came after the fact, and I was specifically called back and kind of like, would you still be interested? Were we to throw that off from like, guys, I'm not decommitting. Wow. Yeah. And um What made you stick to that?

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Because you could have decommitted if you wanted to.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Something in my spirit just, you know, I I just felt really like looking back on it, I'm surprised to kind of look at look back at it because I was 17, 18 years old, but I just felt like as a man, for me to make a commitment and then not follow through with it, yeah. I felt like that was a little flimsy and I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't put myself into that category from character perspective. I just wasn't, I flat out wasn't willing to do it. And so I just told them straight up, no, like this is uh, I made a decision, I committed, I'm gonna follow through with my decision, and the rest is history, you know, I ended up playing there and becoming the first ever first round pick out of that school.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Yeah. Okay, so talk to me, talk to me about how you become a first-round pick. What is that, what is that trajectory like? Did you know coming out of college that you were gonna be in that top? Like everyone kind of already was letting you know, like you're the guy. There's only so many. You were a linebacker, right? Coming out of defensive end at the time. Defensive end.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

They were uh projecting me to be drafted to play outside linebacker. They were calling us hybrids or tweeners at the time because there was a lot of the 3-4 becoming really prevalent, and you had cats like Sean Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, these guys were like, you know, big dudes, yeah, big time stars in the league. And so everybody was looking to kind of duplicate that um prototype of player that put their hand in the ground and rushed the edge, but then also had the athleticism to like drop back a professional linebacker. And I didn't I wasn't so keen on that whole dropping back and coverage piece. Really? So you just like to rush, nor did I like to rush out of a two-point. I didn't rush out of a two-point at all in college. So you want to you want to be straight three-point off the edge. I wanted to, but they felt like I just had the body type to do it, which which yeah, like by the measurables, I did. Um, so that was the context around um after my senior year, me getting to that point where I was becoming recognized on those mock in these mock drafts as being one of those guys. And since that position was very like in demand at the time, a lot of us that were playing that position, there were probably a handful of us, um, they were projecting us as like first rounders um or early second rounders. Who else was in that kind of that was Brian Aragpo, Clay Matthews. Okay. Um so you got drafted before Clay. Yeah, ironically, I did. Um you had Aaron Mabin at the time who went, I think he was one of the first guys. I think he went nine overall or something like that. And then um who were the other guys? Then the inside linebackers that were really um high on everyone's uh list was like cats like Brian Cushing and Ray Maluga. It was that class, yeah. Yeah, just beast. Yeah, there were a lot of a lot of really uh incredible players in that in a in our class for sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Um and which number did you get picked in the first round? 16. Okay. So what was it like getting that call? Were you there? Did you show up to the draft day? No, you're at home? I wanted to be at home, bro.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

I was nervous.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

I would have been nervous too. So I just want to be in my house.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

Here's the story of the draft day is because here's the thing you gotta remember. My whole life up to that point, I had always been underdog. Yeah, you know, yeah, like I didn't have the offer from Iowa, I didn't get the offer in time from Illinois, you know what I mean? Yeah. And ordained and those places. And so you're starting, you're used to being let down a little bit. I had that chip on my shoulder, right? And it was like this whole energy and this idea around like always having to prove myself, but I was always down to do it because I always, even if other folks didn't have the vision or belief in me, I was delusional enough to have that belief. I don't know where it came from. No, no, I couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Where did that come from? Has it always been there?

SPEAKER_02 14:04

I can tell you that um my mother instilled this idea in me that I was capable of um whatever I set my mind to and whatever I focused upon. Absolutely. And I believed it. I believed it. Um and I really had like this incredible, like my grandfather's really like hard-nosed cat, you know, the epitome of a man. Um never raised his voice. Yeah, but um just think most supportive, hardworking, um, really just the OG. Like, I mean, he's born in 1922. It was like that demographic that like young guy. Men was built different. Yeah in that time. You know, especially like black men that went through that era, right? Of course. He was a golden glove boxer at the time. He had all these different like live, you know, World War II and uh and uh uh disc jockey at the time, but like he just like was incredible work asking and incredibly supportive. Every day, you know, was at my practices and things of that nature, put a hurt on him. Yeah. Every time I walked up the house, go put a hurting on him.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Yeah, right. That stuck with you.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

Yeah, so it's like these the I think having that support around me just, you know, it all fostered this belief in self that I think served me in a lot of ways and to this day still serves me. Um, but yeah, like I was saying, I mean, I was always kind of that underdog until that moment when I got that call.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Yeah. So did the camera crew, were they at your house since you decided you wanted to do it at home? Um or did they have camera crew back then? Family. It was an intimate family. Yeah. Um so did they show you on TV though, getting called?

SPEAKER_02 15:41

I don't know if I don't if the there was such a blur in that moment. I don't think they actually showed me in my house of what the like the reaction was of everybody. Um, but obviously, like they have all the clips from Roger Goodell um announcing me as having been that 16th pick. I can tell you the story though, that's really compelling, the most important story about that day.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Um so I'm like I said, I didn't go to the green room. There was a lot of talk about the fact that I would be a first rounder, and then I ran like a lackluster 40 at combine, but then came back and ran a good 40 at Pro Day. And because of the lack Lester 40 at Combine, you had Mike Mayok and Mel Kuper and these guys saying, Hey, I think we he's fallen to the second round. And so I think I was just like like the lead up and like reading like presses, like impressions of things that would happen and things of that nature, like made it such that like I just want to like have a regular day and just be at home. I know it's a blessing. Wherever I'm picked, I'm picking, and then and then we go get to work after that. Anyhow, I literally tried to treat that day back at my mother's house as normal as possible. Really? An intimate family in the house, like cook, like just kind of like a Sunday dinner back in the day. Like it was a regular day. Yeah, and I was trying to actually act natural as possible, like, yo, you need anything from the store? I'll run to the store and go grab. Cause I'm just trying to let like the picks get going and not just kind of like sit there at the edge of my seat the whole time. I remember I come back from like the gas station or something, and like the eighth pick had happened.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Big draft's already going on, you're at the gas station.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Yeah. I I walk in the house, I like peep in the living room, like see who's picked. I think it was like uh the old line. I went to Jags, what's called Man's name, I forget. Um anyhow, I'm just feeling like a little bit of like angst, well up. Walk into the kitchen and walk back upstairs, and I'm gonna just take a minute. Walk up the stairs, walk upstairs to my old like bedroom, high school bedroom, and I'm just having like a quiet moment with myself, like pacing back and forth. All of a sudden, bro, something comes over me and I literally snapped out of it. And I bent down and I got down on my knee and I said, more or less. I basically just said like to the Lord, like in a little bit different terms and phraseology, like I don't know why I'm tripping right now. Whatever happens today is an incredible blessing. Like, I'm so grateful for this moment. Like I've seen this day happening my whole life, and now I actually here it is, it's actually really real, it's actually really happening. Whatever happens today is a blessing. Thank you so much. And that was I was down on one knee at the side of my bed, and I expressed that prayer of gratitude, and I stood up. I lied to you not in that very instant my phone rang. In that very instant that I stood up, yeah, my phone rang. It was AJ Smith, the GM for the San Diego Chargers at the time. A little flip phone I was holding. And uh he said, uh, yeah, Larry, this is uh AJ Smith, San Diego Chargers. And I wanna let you know, would you mind and would you like to come on and be a San Diego Charger?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

It's like, yeah, we're gonna take you right now with the 16th dick. This is before they need to pick. And then I was like, wow. And I was speechless, right? Yeah. I hang up the phone, my mom knocks on my bedroom door, like, Larry, are you okay? Right in that moment, I'm like, oh it just happened. They just called me, I got picked just now. Literally, I lie to you not the very moment that I just stopped for a second and gave thanks. Yeah, that's when it it like God opened up the gates, right? Yeah. And I called God and God called you. Like, I like look, I I just thanks I thank God so much for that moment because anytime I forget, I always have that one anecdote. Anytime there's ever any element of question, yeah, whether or not this is real, whether or not this idea around gratitude and having a clear vision and pursuing your mission, all these things, whether it's really real, I always have that moment in time to cite. And um it's uh yeah, unbelievable, you know?

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah, man. This was 2013 when you got chosen, correct? Oh nine. Oh nine. Okay. So talk to me about first round draft pick, your 16th pick overall. Do you sign that day or do you sign later?

SPEAKER_02 20:33

The way that it works is uh you sign your deal um usually closer to this time at least, it was usually closer to like when training camp happened. So um draft is always around April. Okay. And it's uh you you're usually signing your contract by like July or August. Okay. Right? And so that whole lead up is kind of like most of it is slotted at the time, but and and you know you're gonna get your deal. It's just the particulars of the deal are not explicitly and fully worked out quite yet. Yes. And so that that um that that you know the ink was dry, like, you know, two, three days in the training camp or day or two in the training in the actual training camp, so it would have been July or late July or August of that of that year in 09.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Most first rounders get a big or some do get a big signing bonus. What was your signing bonus in that first round?

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Um, so I got to sign right away, I got uh right around five million and uh and then a guaranteed deal of around 10 plus incentives incentives and stuff like that. That's what my contract was.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

So with the so when you signed that contract and that five million dollars hit, what was the first thing you spent money on? You know what?

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Um I bought a white S class. Really? Yeah. I did. Straight white? I did. White on white. What did you call it? Arctic white interior. Arctic white. Yeah. Um and and look, I uh like I had my eyes on that car and part of me was like, all right, well, if I if I go second round, I'm not doing that. But then since I went first round, I I treated myself. Oh, that's a good gift. Um yeah, it's fine. Like, look, I have my whole like idea around, you know, the material ways in which we treat ourselves and one like and whatnot now, having grown and matured and whatnot. Of course. But I think it's like a lot of us, especially at that young age, kind of like, you need to get it out of your system and see what it's like.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

But then you realize it's uh it's a very like temporary emotional fix. Right? Yeah. It's like uh ultimately at the end of the day, what we want to do is we want to money gives us choices. Yep. It gives us the opportunity to live the life that we want to live and spend our time the way that we actually want to spend it.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

As opposed to working and being be a being been beholden to work for money and then spending our hours working for this thing. Right. So that's that's the beauty of you know creating and building financial resources because it allows you the opportunity for more options to live the life the life that you actually want to live and create the life that you want to live. And you know, everybody else also has their view of what it looks like to give and relative to the fulfillment that they receive and what they can do for others. Like those are the reasons, those are the ways in which you know monetary gain is actually fulfilling. It's actually not the things that we're able to pick up, but we have to do it a lot of times before we actually realize that in the real world. That's why I feel like it's really worthwhile pursuit for everyone to pursue, you know, that experience. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

You know what I'm saying? I tell people all the time, like, when you when you get money, go spend a little bit of it first because what you'll realize is it's not gonna be what makes you happy for the long term.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Your mission and how you got that bag is probably what made you the happiest. The journey that you're on. Because at the end of the day, money is just a tool for you to open up ways for you to spend time with your loved ones and to create a lifestyle by design. But what most people fall victim to is spending money on luxuries that they think will give them that image and status and happiness, but it's only temporary. So going through that temporariness is a part of how you get to that place where you value and you have gratitude towards spending time with family members and really making memories out of the money that you have. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

And using the money to expand your impact and like vision and mission for what you have to like, what you have of value, like I said, what you're carrying. Yeah. Because the it's just so accretive in that you build those financial resources you in parallel and in turn have this other incredible opportunity to build your influence to magnify your voice that much further. Yeah. And it tends to be a nice little hook to get people to listen to you. Yeah. To actually get the message that you're really looking to convey and extend to them. The thing that really matters to them. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

But I think that's the nature of things. People don't want to listen to folks until they see that they got some money.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Which is crazy because now we're living in a place where your social media account is your resume. Right? People are people are trying to judge whether or not they want to respond to you on social media by how many views you have and how many followers you have now. And as sad as it is, if you don't care about your social media, don't put attention on it as an entrepreneur, at least, um, you will suffer in today's day and age because that's how people want to uh network.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Some people, unbeknownst to them, they're suffering, not even realizing how much opportunity that they're leaving on the table by not building and taking that account and that that whole opportunity serious.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Yeah. And I see you jumping on social media, spreading your message, and most people think, well, why is Larry doing this now? Bro has a vision right now, and I know uh about your vision, and it's helping people become more optimal. Can you kind of talk about why this is important for you right now is helping people get to an optimal state, both in mental, spiritual, and physical health?

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Yeah, man, I'm compelled, man. I'm compelled to get this vision and this message out there. Because here's the thing I have this place in my heart for builders, for creators, for entrepreneurs, people that are making an impact in the world and making a difference with their products and services. And so having dove headfirst into that realm of entrepreneurship upon my retirement for playing ball, um, it it gave me so much intimacy toward the overall archetype of a founder and really anyone who's really super committed to their mission and their in their work, right? I feel as though like there's a clear distinction and delineation between like a job and work. Yeah. Now you can have a job and a job can be your work. Um but work is distinct from a job. It's something that you actually feel like truly compelled, like this is your way to make a difference, right? Yes, without a doubt. And so those people that feel that within them and that are building in the spirit of that whole concept and idea, I just feel like, hey, I got this message for you, this way in which we can increase your capacity and increase your bandwidth so that you can expand your work, expand your mission, expand your vision so that you actually materialize what you know is deeply held within you. Right. Because this is the way I felt about myself, right? Um, in a business from a business perspective and an entrepreneurship perspective, I've always been so mission-driven and so clear on like a vision for building something of impact. Yeah. And there I was always solving for and optimizing toward how do I, where do I find my competitive edge? How do I pull it out of myself and whatnot? Yeah. I think that's just the nature of kind of an athlete because we always kind of we're we're we're in that realm and that frame. Everything that we're doing is optimizing toward being a peak performer. 100%. And when I dove into entrepreneurship, I let that side of me take a uh a little bit of a hiatus. Oh, back seat. And then, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I was just exclusively focused on the mechanics of being a business person and the nuance of being a business person.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Not realizing that I had this other like skill set that had always been deeply embedded within me. Yeah. This performance-focused mindset that I thought I didn't need anymore. But I quickly got into business and realized, like, no, actually, you do need it. And not only do you need it, but this is your competitive advantage.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Yeah, this is your superpower, performance-based.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

What did you say? I like to refer to it as performance health. And, you know, like, I think that here's the thing, people like what's really popular these days is kind of like longevity. You look like, look at cats like uh Brian Johnson, yeah. These guys that are pursuing this whole notion of not dying and things like that. Um that never too much intrigued me. What did, however, intrigue me though, is um reaching the overall peak of my potential. Right. Maxing out my potential. And I have to credit Goggins with it, David Goggins. Oh. Because he's the only person that I've ever seen take it a step further. I heard some crazy quote he had one day. He's like, you know what? I'm solving for? I'm solving for when it's all said and done. When I get up there to the man upstairs, for him to look at his sheet of checks and balances, and for him to be shocked, like, dang, that Goggins, he did more than I expected. I wasn't expecting that much out of this cat. He did even more, right? I was like, damn, he he took it maxing out your potential. Yeah. But that aside, I've always had this mindset around like, what am I truly capable of? I want it all out of me. I want it all out. Yeah, right. And once I started to really re-awaken that whole energy, it took some time for me to like figure out the frameworks and processes and the right, you know, ways in which to do that. Right. Able to build like the most incredible ecosystem of like the top performance health. Yeah, you know. Um, so let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

So that was the unlock. How did you, I want to know, how did you start breaking through to build processes and frameworks to tap into that side again? Yeah. Because for me, it was not only I had to remove myself from my current environment, surround myself with the right types of people, put myself through rigorous training. I felt like I was taking a bus ride back to hell, kind of reminding myself who was the dog that got you to where you're at. And I just had to remove all external things. But for other people, it's it's a different process. For you, it might have been a different process, and it might have been kind of evaluating your current state. So talk to me about how you got to optimal. How did you get back? What was the process? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

I think that um I had uh there's like some chapters in the journey. There was one chapter early in my entrepreneurship journey where I felt really inclined toward um buying in to this world of like these super successful people in my sphere that were a little bit older and more mature than I. That were like so they were in the realm in the phase of celebrating their success a bit. They had already to a certain degree like built like, you know, they were knocking on the door of like having built billion-dollar enterprises and things of that nature. And so I'm like getting to experience the lifestyle of you know, flying around Europe on private planes with them, and you know, getting to be exposed to that side of life, which is great from an exposure standpoint, but at the end of the day, it wasn't necessarily productive toward my business pursuits. Of course. These were my friends that I got the opportunity to experience all these things through. Right. But at the end of the day, like it was a little bit of the distraction from like my overall like performance and health in business. Of course. And I think within that first year of kind of like having that celebratory, you know, work hard, play hard type uh game going on, yeah. My health kind of uh and and my overall like clarity and like energy and like it all kind of uh um I was starting to see like the detriments of it. Yeah. And then the other thing that happened also around that time, and this is just being completely frank, yeah, is that the film that Will Smith did um I Am Legend? Concussion. Oh, concussion. Yeah, I don't know if you've seen that, but basically it was this film that just detailed this story arc around like all these NFL players from that were playing in like the 80s and 90s that had all this crazy head trauma, and now they were dealing with like this new crazy degenerative brain disease called CTE. And it was showing some of the stuff that was like happening in these guys' lives. And I had just retired and I went to see that film kind of like unassumingly, yeah, and I walked out of that theater, kind of theater kind of scared, to be quite honest. And so I just started to really like straighten up and like I started to like really take my brain health really seriously.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

And so I think that because I had like such a big why because of something like that as well, it was almost like no, like if there's one thing that I do, like I am going to make sure that I maintain own and even like uh improve my mental faculties with age. Not I I I refuse to disintegrate, like how I saw some of those guys disintegrate. Wow. And so that was I think the thing that really like pushed me deeply into that space to go like dive into this opportunity. I started picking up the phone again. All those folks that I was like pursuing like health optimization in offseason, like I had a team and like a stable of like folks that at the time were like biohacking, not even realize before that term came like popular. Right. Because I was like optimizing for performance on the field, right? And so I dove deeply back into that space in the spirit of you know true like neuro regenerative processes, health optimization processes because I was scared straight. And then after I got into that loop, I started to see the benefits and effects that what was going on within me. Yeah. Like you know, like the weight loss and things like that just happened as a side effect. And then the mental clarity and like the energy again and that alpha nature again. Yeah. All of a sudden I felt like I'm 22, 23 years old again, like hold up, what's going on here? Right. And so that was what initially spawned it, and then I realized, like, oh, when I'm sitting at the negotiation table, I got this competitive advantage that these other folks don't even necessarily even know about. Right. And um that was the um the initial impetus for this whole um movement. And then in parallel to that, now it's like you look at the world that we're living in now, it's like health is the new flex. Yeah, it is. Right? Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

That's the little no gone are the days of this, gone are the days of the CEO with the big belly, you know, working 80 hours a week, and us looking at that as that's what success looks like. Now success looks like having time freedom, spending it with your family, having a six pack, having high testosterone levels and being at peak shape. That's what success looks like right now.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

And I remember so many people that like you notice like this people like going around like, oh, I don't, they don't drink and stuff like that more. Like you that's becoming common, like with like high performers. It is. Which I don't think that that was necessarily that maybe it was going on before, but it wasn't like this thing to hang your hat on.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Everything became amplified after COVID, bro. And and you you said it even with social media. I mean, so many people during COVID got on social media to share their skill sets with other people to help other people, knowing that other people had time to go learn a new skill set. That was when I learned YouTube and how to do like content on YouTube, was really right at the start of COVID, bro. And I know other people, you know, picked up day trading, some people became fitness trainers, you know, some people started dunking their head in Saratoga waters, other people started doing all types of different things. But I would say COVID was the biggest catalyst for people to start focusing on optimizing their health, if you ask me. And now coming out of it, I see more of my friends more than ever saying, you know what, rather than just going to the doctors or just taking medicine, do I want to go look at my blood? I want to go see, you know, what are the foods I'm not supposed to be eating? What are the things that I should be taking to keep myself at an optimal level from a vitamin perspective? And now I'm I'm encouraging more and more of my friends to start doing it too, because I did this about a year ago, Larry. And I'll tell you, a year ago, I was feeling my energy levels at an all-time low. I used to be a 4:30 5 a.m. person. I was struggling to get up at 4:30 5 a.m. And then I would crash out in the evenings. And I was like, okay, was it because I was having too much caffeine? What was it? And it wasn't until I kind of looked at the blood readings and I kind of started uh seeing what I was deficient in, was until I started to see the changes. I didn't realize that I needed certain vitamins in my body that were deficient, such as vitamin D or selenium. Um, I didn't realize that, you know, my cholesterol was kind of off the Richter scale and things like this kind of impact my mood. And so I spent about nine months taking the right type of vitamins and supplements. And I'd I'd say I probably feel like I'm about 24 years old right now. Like yeah, feeling like pretty much in my peak optimal state. I really feel like I could run through a wall. But if you would have looked at me a year and a half ago, man, I was complaining about my knees. I I truly felt in my 30s. You know what I'm saying? But now I feel like I'm in my 20s. So talk to me a little bit about, you know, why you feel like it's important for people to get their blood ran. Because I know you've probably taken that step too. Of well, of course. Um, that's where it all starts.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

You have to get that data back. And more importantly than simply getting the blood run, because that was the initial um unlock that I had and understood that I needed to get this blood work and then um make decisions based off the data that came back in that blood work. But what's also just as even, if not even more important, is it's like who are your actual medical practitioners who are then leading and guiding you from a decision making uh perspective as to what it is that you do on the back of receiving that data. Here's the other thing too about blood work is that what people, a lot of folks don't realize, and here's the other thing, a lot of affluent and well-to-do people don't actually realize is that yes, standard conventional um primary care doctors, I think that they they know that those folks, it isn't their job to go deeply into all of your you know bio biomarkers. Their their job is really to kind of like make sure you're upright, keep you alive. Their job was never to optimize you. Right. But then the other piece I would add to that is then you also have this whole um subset of the medical field where you have these concierge doctors, which is basically like a rich person's doctor that gets like concierge services where the office is a little bit nicer and maybe they come to you and it's kind of like a little bit of uh ego stroke to a degree. Yeah. I would actually make the argument that a lot of those doctors, as well, they aren't necessarily super advanced, tip of the sphere functional medical medicine practitioners that are going to have the actual real intel to fully, fully optimize you. So that was the process that I had to go through as to actually finding the right medical oversight and the right alternative medicine practitioners that shared like this same like mindset as me. It's like super longevity and like performance focused. Yes. And um, the way that I was actually able to do that was just because I had become so obsessed in the space that I was reading everything in the round in that realm that I could get my hands on.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

And so then I would read something and then I would see the doctors that would get mentioned, and then I would go to all of these clinics and like because I just had this organic, like native intrigue and interest as to what they might be holding, that might be a uh another like advantage. Of course. And through that whole process over a couple of years, I was fortunate enough to um in essence build this ecosystem and this team that I was like that just completely changed everything in my whole stratosphere as it relates to how I performed and how I felt. Yeah. And once that happened, then that's when it became like, hey, like People need to know about this.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? 100%. But most people probably thinking, like, okay, you know, Larry's an NFL guy, you know, Carlton's running a business. Like, how am I going to be able to afford outside of my traditional doctors access to these types of specialized physicians or doctors that might be able to give me the information that is needed or read my blood, read my fecal samples, whatever it is, to get me to an optimal state versus looking at that and just looking at the surface level information and then guiding from there.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

Because well, what I would say to that is so um as it relates to like overall like cost of the practitioners, that was a variable too to consider. It was definitely not the only variable, the most important variable for me with who I found, because I've definitely found like medical teams that were overseeing some of my you know health pitcher that were larger investments than others, and those weren't always the most cutting edge and the quote best therapies, yeah, and mod modalities. There was I spent some bucks that I probably like kind of went down the drain on certain certain like health protocols and modalities that really didn't really turn out, right? Um what I would what I would then add is that what's more important than that though is what is what is it costing myself? What is it costing me right now not having access to this more actualized, clear, higher performing version of myself. I was reading something last night um by these guys that I have a lot of uh respect for in the health optimization space, and they were talking about this one um like neuroscience, like brain like cognitive uh therapy called neurofeedback. Neurofeedback. Neurofeedback. And um I remember I was meeting with this specific individual, and he was talking about how, and he he runs a supplement business. I think they do 50 million or more a year in top line rev. So it's a pretty good-sized company. Um, and he was talking about how like neurofeedback has been like the biggest unlock for his team, and like he takes their executive team and they go on like these retreats and do the neurofeedback stuff. And then they wrote a health optimization book where they talk specifically about this neurofeedback as being like this, you know, untapped way to two and three X your like mental clarity and creativity and you know it's overall like brain performance. Yeah. And so they go on their retreats with their executive teams and they do this on these uh on these wellness uh uh retreats that they do. And so he he was talking to me about that. And when he brought it up and he explained what it was, like, yeah, you put these electrodes on your brain. I'm like, I feel like I was doing this way back in the day. Yeah, sure enough, I was back in 2015 while I was still playing. I that was one of the things that I had done in the offseason. I just had forgot about about like some of the like distinct detail around it. Wow. Anyhow, but the point I was making was in this book that they wrote, like, yeah, this specific modality, and I don't know distinctly that this is the price for it now, but he was like, he made the point. It's like, yeah, this there's some cost associated with this. You might go away for a week to for a retreat and get this done. And it might be $10,000, $15,000 in cost that you would invest into something like this. But to the extent you're a high performer, an entrepreneur, and you're doing over a quarter of a mil or more a year in income, what would it look like if you can tap into this opportunity that's gonna give you 50% more like capacity, bandwidth, creativity, and productivity, like add 50% to your overall productivity. Oh, then is the is the investment worth it, right? 100% it is. And it's that idea you have to approach all of this. It's like, really, what is the cost of the of it of inaction? Yeah. The other thing is that at the end of the day, we end up paying anyway.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

I tell people that all the time with taxes. I was like, you can either invest for tax strategy, you can just pay Uncle Sam. Either way, you're gonna pay somebody.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Easy just from the nutrition perspective, right? I was talking to a buddy the other day, he's like, I was talking because my whole thing is like people waste money on without even realizing that they're wasting so much money down the drain ordering food off the off the apps. Because yeah, like they bring you the food, but how much time did you spend picking out your meal on that thing? Like, oh no, I don't want that, I don't want that. Wasting time doing that. Anyway, this buddy of mine, he's like, Yeah, I know, man. I and I looked at it, and over the course of the year, me and my girlfriend, we spent $40,000 on Uber Eats. So it's like people are paying anyway. Yeah, they're paying in installments and then they're paying in lack of productivity. That's a lot of on Uber Eats. They better sponsor you. But people just they don't do their accounting and go back and like take a look at like where they're actually investing their time and money.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

Do you take a look at your personal uh like finances every day, or how often are you looking at your accounts? You have to, yeah. You check all your bank accounts every day?

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Yeah, I do because it's just been something like look, I've been burned before. You know, so I've been burn before, um, you know, and I've been targeted before, and it's like you put your trust into certain people uh at the time when I was an athlete, and so there were instances where I just had to learn hard lessons. Yeah. One particular instance I remember is just a year or two into my career. I just started to, you know, sniff something out that smelt a little, the aroma was a little bit off, and I ended up, you know, just really um I cut my whole team, accountants, CPAs, and um, and wealth advisors and whatnot, because I got a little bit uh rubbed the wrong way around some of like, because that back in those days we would have like bill pay where our CPAs and accountants were paying bills for you. Yeah. And so they'd have like, you know, a smaller account. Yes, where we would send money to that account funds into that account for them to handle all the bill pay. And that was another thing you'd have like these days, you don't even need that, but like they had kind of like persuaded us as to like this is what guys do, this is what you do, right? And a little extra. I started to notice, like, I went back after some time and like started to look at the accounting of those accounts. Like, what was this? What was this? And it was like in this particular instance, it was like I'd asked for something, and oh yeah, we'll take care of that for you. But then they'd like run me a fee for them having done the thing, right? Wow. And those fees began to add up. So it was like the team was like, oh yeah, your mother's mortgage or whatever it was at the time, like, yeah, we'll get all of that taken care of. You focus on football, on ball in the season. You guys got a big game coming up this week, so then they take care of it, and then they'd also pay themselves their fee, which wasn't pre agreed upon, if you will. Larry, do you think this is how they get athletes? That's what they were doing back at that time, and that was that was what prompted me to clear everyone associated with that team. Yeah. And lo and behold.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

So you fired your CPA, your financial advisor, everybody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

Yeah. Even some of like, even some of them, which I wasn't necessar necessarily necessary, but I even like let some like PR and marketing people go at that time because they had like connections to them, yeah, to this whole like team on the finance side. And so I felt like it was maybe an overreaction. Did I overreact? Yeah. And sure enough, it wasn't 12 months or so that that those folks and that whole team like went down and got exposed for like a big Ponzi scheme that they had like a whole bunch of like big time players and stuff. Yeah. Damn. And so like they had they had dressed up one of these deals and one of these investments as like uh a bond deal, like, you know, a private, you know, fixed income type deal. Uh-huh. And it was paying like outsized returns, but we were getting the returns every month. So of course. So it's like, okay, then it's it's good because I'm seeing them funds hit my account every day. And then one day. And then sure enough, one day it all came out in the supposed that hit the press. And then that principal ended up having to be written off.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

Yeah. As a bad business debt. Yeah. Yeah. So you claimed a bad business debt over an investment that went south. And there's so many investments that go south for athletes like that. I feel like that is one way an athlete can get screwed over, right? If you're sending money off to an account, but then that person has control over that account to pay your bills, and you don't really see what's kind of going on, and then that they're attacking on fees, those fees can add up quick. Yeah. Next thing you know, you're in the offseason saying, hey, send me some money back from that account. What's going on? How many uh guys have you seen mismanage their money in the league while they're in the league? Oh, while they're in the league. Um does that happen often?

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Yeah, of course. I mean, um, you know, back back in in that time, you you saw it a lot. Um I uh I think more what was a little bit more typical was that guys just started to kind of like calculate that maybe they had more years left on their legs than they realized. And so you they would get to this point where like the plan, like, oh, I'll get another deal, and then maybe that next contract never came. But they've been spending money as it and they've been spending, anticipating the next contract to come, and oh, this is my contract year, I gotta make something happen. Um and then that that that next that second or third contract to bail them out doesn't always come. And those are the unfortunate scenarios that you would tend to see. Um and then the other, probably more common scenario that just never really comes out and hits the press quite as much as the player that does retire and everything appears to seemingly be well, but over the years guys just become quiet and you never know what ended up happening to those guys, and a lot of these guys fell in hard times financially. Um, because it it ran out and they don't necessarily have the next thing, you know, mapped out at all. Yeah. Dang. So that that I feel uh was probably the most common scenario. Um and and I don't like the whole the whole stat around like, oh, the average NFL career FNF NFL career is only three years, it is. Um, but those averages get skewed because you have so many guys that like you know don't make it in camp. So if that overall like aggregate average career span down, so there's obviously a lot of those guys that get a cup of coffee in the league that don't really make any real money, then they they have financial problems as well. So I think um taken together, I think that's also why it's good you have an NIL as this opportunity now for young players. Now, despite the fact that that's something that's probably a very sophisticated problem for a 19, 20-year-old uh kid to be faced with, yeah, these opportunities to be doing brand deals off the field and getting paid actually by the actual um teams um to to come to these schools and whatnot. Which is incredible. But but um look, maybe there's a percentage of those young guys now that are taking their lumps before they get to the league of course they are learn some of these lessons before they actually get to the real money. Yeah. You know, and it's not to say that the some of the NIL deals are real money.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

Yeah, you know, five, six million dollars. Yeah, it's crazy. I've never seen more NFL drafts with chain people wearing chains and walking out with bust-down rollies than I've seen in this past NFL draft. It seems like every college athlete is coming into the NFL already with a couple of bags that they've already secured while they're in college, and the NIL has completely changed the scene. Do you think it's better that we have NIL now or do you think it's worse?

SPEAKER_02 57:04

Um, I I don't think about better or worse. I just think about the fact that it had to happen. Yeah. It's only right that as the talent that is putting that entertainment product out on the field that they get to um they get to experience the benefits of the value that they're creating. Yeah. It should have a a piece of that equation. And so it had to happen. I was actually surprised to see it happen because you hear about these ideas. This has been going on forever, and all of a sudden it's like it's real. Yeah, that it finally happened and it's actually real, so it was pretty surprising. And now that it has happened, it's like it's only right it shouldn't have been that way.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Yeah, you know. There's kids that could have got paid more to just stay in college than go into the NFL draft pick.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:58

Right? I heard the Quinn Ewers could have made like a couple mil instead he's making a couple hundred thousand signing as like a sixth or seventh round draft pick. That's crazy to me. That's that's nuts. Now, you're married. How many years you've been married? Uh, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 58:16

We're coming up on eight this year. Eight years? Yeah, we're coming up we're coming on eight in a couple weeks. All right, question.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 58:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

Happy early anniversary, man. Yeah, thank you, man. That's I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

All right, so do you and your wife believe in keeping your finances separate?

SPEAKER_00 58:30

Oh no, no. We've we've we've merged. Yeah. We've merged uh yeah, our finances. When you got married, you merged your finances or did you merge them later? Uh when we got married.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

Yeah. Yeah, when we got married, we did. And you know, you know, I gotta hand it to my wife. Like, my wife has done incredibly well. Like, she's built her own personal brand. When I was sitting there and not really like focusing on being vocal and the things that I was doing, like she from like a very early stage had the foresight to build her brand, and it really has served her well over the last, I would say, 12, 13 years that she's focused on it. And um, you know, I gotta hand it to her because not only does she work so hard, but like she's the most incredible mother, and I just watch what like now that we're in this chapter of our life, yeah, like the respect that I have for her is even like that much, you know, deeper. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I always it's funny because you always hear like super successful and impactful men express this idea that they have so much um gratitude and thanks that they need to allocate toward their spouse. I would always see that. And now I'm experiencing that very thing, right? Like I've just uh yeah, like I can't say enough about her. She really does her, really does her thing. So yeah, but yeah, we yeah, long story short, we we we merge things and yeah, we're we're we're true like you know partners in this whole you know growth and expansion type mindset. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:29

Does your does your wife take interest to your real estate endeavors and does she get herself involved?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

Never.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

Really? Why is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

Never in any of like she be uh like because I think that maybe it was just uh not necessarily like her personality, yeah. Right? Yeah, she's more of like the creative, and she's an entrepreneur, definitive entrepreneur in her own right. Um, but her leaning is more toward the artistic and creative aspects of business, yeah, as opposed to me being like this uh kind of like uh more like I guess you could say like straight-laced business guy where I'm really like super fascinated in business. And I'm just super curious as a lifelong learner. And my wife is like kind of like that OG, like school hard knocks type mentality of like she don't need to like learn it from a book. She can like hear one thing and then go iterate and then implement it and try it in the real world. Yeah, she's like more that mentality, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

Do you think it's better to date somebody that has a similar personality as you, or do you think opposites attract?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

You know, I I like always like look at people that have they these relationships where there's like a similar personality, yeah. And you can't help but look at that and say, like, wow, that must be cool. Like you like the perfect example is Alex and Layla Hermosy. Yeah. It's like they seem to be like the same person. Yeah, they do a little bit. But at the same at the same time, in the same instance, I know what my wife and I have, for whatever reason, it just it works. And we're not we're not like that. Really? Kind of like who's more outgoing, you're your wife. I'm probably a little a little bit more outgoing, but she um, but I would say that she she's outgoing in a different way. Like she's like really good at like building friend, like a friend network and whatnot. And like she's got like all of like her uh girls and like people in her sphere that like are like her buddies and whatnot. And so they're all moms together and business women together. And she's she's outgoing in her own way, but I think in like just in like a normal, like person-to-person situation, I could probably communicate with a stranger or anybody that I'm in a room with because I'm typically just pretty interested in what is moving another individual at a given moment. So I never feel like I have to force conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

Yeah, you know. You're eight years into your marriage. Do you feel like you are falling more in love with your wife now? And if so, what contributes to that?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:14

Yeah, I think the thing that, yes, I definitely do. And I think the the thing that contributes to that is, you know, over the years we've just gotten more and more connected and integrated in like our overall like mission for the family. And now having a child added a our daughter added another layer to that, yeah. Um and I think part of it too is like my own maturity because now like I'm very, very like focused on having like a good relationship that lasts, and it's very high on my overall like priority list. Yeah, and I think as a younger man, I just kind of like took things as they came a little bit, yeah. Um, but now it's part of like my direct like intention to foster a incredible marriage because I understand that that is like the foundation for our household, it's the foundation for building the family and the character and the kids that we're having and things of that nature. So I think there's a lot of purpose behind it now.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:42

Yeah. Do you feel like when you were back in college, like you had like a lot of temptation? Like once you got to college, you're you're you're successful, you, you're you're on a football scholarship. You know, I remember what it was like, you know, kind of getting that, you know, special treatment in college. Do you feel like you kind of gave into those distractions a little bit? And if so, what type of distractions were you giving into? Because I had a little bit of my distractions and I cut up a little bit in college. But I would say me cutting up in college is why I'm so devoted and committed to my relationship now.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:18

I would definitely agree with that. And look, I wasn't I was no saint in those days. Yeah. I think that you see though, that there are some of these young men that uh are a little bit more saint-like in their nature. Yeah. And it kind of to a certain degree is so surprising to me, it almost blows my mind to see young guys that you know are really like on the straight and narrow when they have all of this temptation and these opportunities that do um come to meet them at their front door. Right. So I think that uh during that time, like I was I was a normal young 19. 20-year-old man. Yeah. I went to college parties and you know I drank beers and stuff. I didn't like beer, but I drank and went to college parties and dated and did all of those things. I did all of that. Did you go after the sorority girls a lot?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:19

Or did they come after you?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:21

I think where where we were at the sorority, the sorority and fraternity world was a little bit like it was like a different like realm. You guys didn't have a strong thing, strong, yeah, strong presence on your campus. Yeah, no. But so it's like, look, I had a good time and like, but it's like as you said, it's like I got all that stuff out of my system. Yep. And um I think that's what's allowed me to be the way that I am now, having matured into the man that I've matured into. Because I have actually experienced those things. And now it's like been there, done that, not tempted no more, not interested or intrigued in any way, shape, or form, don't have the wandering eyes. It's just like, look, I did. So I got that stuff out of my system. You know what I'm saying? Without a doubt. Um I remember being young though, and not understanding how not being able to see beyond that type of mindset at that time. I just assumed, like, because I feel this, like, look, our hormones are way different back in the age, you know. Yes, they were. Yes, they were. It's like, how do these guys act like these squares like this, right? Like live a square life like that. I just don't see this for myself. But over time, surprisingly enough, time and experience, and I matured, and I'm so like grateful for you know the way that I had been able to do that, and and then to at the same time have had this opportunity to have a a spouse where we have an incredible relationship, and um us having had that relationship for a lot of years, like and uh the beauty of it is there are no distractions. Like it allows me to be so focused on the mission and the things that are most important of stuff and uh men that don't have that, that are kind of like I've seen it happen like a lot, especially like middle-aged guys and stuff like that. It's like they do, they're like trying to go back and like live this lifestyle of these things that you and I like got out of our system in 1920. Why are they trying to do it though? They do it now, and then it's like kind of like it's unfortunate to me to see it. It's like Yeah, they're chasing something. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:46

Why do you think they are? Um Why do you think why do you think men get to a place? Why do you think men to get to a place where they have they have the right things, they have the life, they made success, they have an amazing spouse, children, but then they just want to go go backwards and go and do all this shit as if they're 19, 20 years old again.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:10

You see that a lot as well with um guys that are like adults. Yes, like I don't want to say old, but they're relatively older, like 35 and up in this 35, 40, early 40s, that and like these people have built brands and things like that, and they're doing well now. And um, in some ways, there's certain aspects of them that have like the mindset of like a 21-year-old, which has always been pretty interesting to me to see that, and then it just so happens, and it turns out that their whole ethos is very like intriguing to like these young guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:54

And they have like followings of like these young 18 and 19-year-old, 20-year-old, and so these guys become held in high regard as the epitome of like manhood and masculinity because they're acting like a 20-year-old. It's like, no, I was like, this is I wasn't even like that back then, but I all of that stuff that they're espousing right now, I got out of my system at that time. So it's pretty interesting to see um guys that are true adults or middle-aged men that have this same mindset. They almost the ones that are benefiting from it, I almost wonder is it like a certain like act that they see that they're able to monetize, you know, and but I don't personally get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:40

You know what I'm saying? It's not intriguing to me. I I was having this conversation with my my friend when we were in Miami and we were talking about it, and I was telling him, I was like, bro, I see it all the time, especially as a tax professional, because when one year I see the the the married filing joint, and the next year I see married filing separate, and I'm like, oh shit, what happened? You had three dependents on the tax return, your two daughters got older, they're 18, they're out the house. Next thing you know, that last one's out the house, and then all of a sudden you're filing for divorce and you're dating this 23, 24-year-old, right? And I feel like, and this is just me speaking, that men have this innate primal conquer gene, where once they feel like they have conquered something, marriage, their children, they feel like they have to go and conquer something else. And I don't know what it is or why it is that some men feel that way, but I've seen this. Men who have great lives, great spouses, great family setups, the right type of things going for them, and they feel like they still need more. And the more that they want is normally in the sense of lustful wants. I want uh a younger woman, I want to experience something that I can't currently get with the person that I currently have. And so they blow up their whole situation sometimes or retreat from their situations um in pursuit of something that really doesn't, in my mind, carry a whole lot of satisfaction to the overall vision of life. You know it doesn't, you know it doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

So it's sad, bro. It's it's unfortunate to see when that happens. Every time I see one of those uh situations uh materialize and kind of manifest, if you will, there's always this piece of me that says, like, that's one thing that I truly uh refuse to succumb to. Like just not that. Not that. Like let's not have that whole, you know, storyline play out that way. It's like you see it is so common. Yeah. Um so yes. I I mean, look, it's uh it's a beautiful thing when you see a relationship be able to truly last, stand the test of time, and those individuals still be able to build like an incredible life and a very fulfilling um life. So I think it's really a a a great vision and a and a goal to aspire to while at the same time understanding that it requires work from both sides and it requires like intention and whatnot.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:32

Well, that's what you're absolutely hitting on the head right there. It's work involved. Relationship never stops becoming work. As soon as you label it as a job, then you're no longer putting in the work and you don't want to clock in and clock out every single day. I got that on my personal goals.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:46

Like, on like my monthly goals, I've been much more intentional about that, right? So I have, you know, like one of my personal goals, you know, over these next like this 30 to 90 day time frame is, you know, more, you know, one-on-one time, intentional, carved out, you know, time with the wife. Yeah. Where it becomes like we're we're because especially like when you have kids and you both have businesses, yeah, it's very easy to kind of like allow some of the business settings to kind of be personal. Yeah, and to let the relationship kind of like become an afterthought. But you know, I'm just like at this point where I'm aware that we need to continually add intention to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:42

What are you doing to add intention? Because there's a lot of bit Yeah, there's a lot of people that struggle with that too, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

Uh I'll give you a very distinct example of like the like the one thing that I put on like my uh personal goals for the month is uh like at our house on our balcony, yeah. My wife and I uh a few weeks ago, the weather was really warm. And um we've been talking about it like for the last like nine, ten months, that we're gonna like really set up our balcony as like our little oasis. Nice. And we um we happened to be sitting out there in one evening. There was no show, there was no nothing. We were just kind of like out on the balcony, nice weather, chilling together, one-on-one, and we were just talking, right? Talking about things in her work, talking about things in my work, talking about things at the family, and we just kind of like had this really incredible, you know, um night where we're actually like communicating with one another um beyond what you can kind of get by just having your show together, yeah, like going to a movie or whatever. And so, like that like was one of the things that like brought some awareness to the need for for something like that. So it's like, oh, this feels good. Make the let's take the plunge, let's set up our our balcony oasis and get the hue lights we want to get and yeah, you know, get all the stuff set up out there and like let's make this our thing, where you know, on you know, three or four of the nights throughout the week, this is kind of like how we end our evening. Yeah, if we want to watch a show on other nights, I typically fall asleep on the shows. But I ain't fall asleep on us on the balcony, nice weather, like having an actual conversation. Exactly. Um, and I think that that stuff is the stuff that adds layers to it to your for your relationship, and it starts to allow you to really maintain like true like connectivity to that person.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:52

Yeah, I love that, man. Me and my wife, we we take time to have date night every Friday as kind of like our time together, and we always make it like a steak date night. Whether I'm cooking at the house or we're gonna go somewhere, yeah. It has to be stay. Uh-huh. And it has to be on Friday nights. I like it. And then it now becomes about the size. Like, all right, what's the what's the size gonna be? Are we doing the smothered potatoes? What are we doing? The agrated potatoes. I'm a big foodie, bro. And if we ever get a chance to uh, you know, uh hang out after this, which I'm sure is gonna happen, I will love to cook for you and your wife. That's definitely a must. And we're gonna probably do we're probably gonna do some steak just uh just just to spoil it already. But um, you know, most people when they think about retired NFL athletes, especially athletes that had, you know, found success like you did and and you retired relatively young, I know that most people think that their lives become boring because they don't have that same outlet anymore. What are they doing to fill up their time? What do NFL athletes do to fill up their time after they retired? Like what are they doing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:54

I don't, you know, I think that that's probably the problem, to be quite honest. Yeah. Is, you know, guys go back home and and it's not even necessarily uh a monetary thing. Like there's been guys that have made eight, nine figures and retired with plenty of money but no purpose. Their identity was so locked into the game that they didn't you know have enough of a grasp on the fact that once you walk away you kind of need to have your next thing, yeah, a reason to wake up every morning. Um, so there you see that there's a lot of guys that really go through some really crazy struggles. Like of course there's the guys that have financial struggles, yeah, but there's guys that don't have the financial struggles that struggle just as much, nonetheless, because there's there's not outlet with all the purpose people the people perish, right? Yeah, you know, and like I said, that did I was fortunate that that wasn't the case for me because I always maintained a hold on my new game. And I was always playing for a championship in some realm. I like that. And I just was aware that I needed that. Not only did I need it, it was just so deeply embedded with me, like within me that I just have never not had this mind that was optimizing toward building or creating something. Yeah. And I've had these little periods of pivots where I was asking myself what's next. But it was always with a mind toward openness while at the same time implementation, and then the thing that was next always came to me. This happened when I decided to move my full-time field of endeavor from real estate where it had been into the performance optimization, the help the health optimization space. Yeah. And the reason why that happened was in 2022, you know, I recognized something that was really occurring in my world that had been at that point eight, nine years that I was building um our portfolio real estate deals and my company and team and stuff like that. And I a lot of the reason why I was able to do that was because I was able to align around the right people and like I had great partners and stuff like that. And in 2022, a um uh a buddy of mine were pursuing multifamily deals, and uh there was one gargantuan deal opportunity that we heard these rumblings about. This was a nine-figure deal in in a multiple nine-figure deal in uh in LA, and we had this deal as this kind of crowning jewel, like this crown jewel of an opportunity that we decided to act upon and pursue. And long story short, you know, we're working together and making, you know, courting the owners of this property. And it was like an off-market deal with a handful of institutional buyers that were being considered like really big operations. And these is like a part of what I was talking about, why I was like quietly staying on social media because I felt like I don't want the Goldman Sachs of the world that we're sitting with on a but on potentially financing us going and seeing something on social media and judging mic and then it killing a knife for your opportunity, right? Jeez. Um, so anyway, long story short, uh we end up winning the bid and winning uh the award to acquire this property.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:08

And so we had all of these like verbal commitments from capital partners that they were gonna back a bid. And um we had all of our basically capital lined up to, in fact, close on and take down this property, which at that time would have was on the cusp of had it closed, been the largest transaction to it take place up to that point in Los Millet County. Is it the one downtown? Nobody knew about this.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

Is it that one downtown?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:36

That was that's what ended up being the biggest one that year. Wow. It was before that closed. Yeah. We so we um that was a hotel deal, if I remember correctly. Yeah, still city windows. Um, but but anyway, um we win the award to acquire this property. And when I tell you, like it felt again like that moment when I told you when I got the call from the draft, yeah, like felt that way again because I put so much like psychological bandwidth and like just like emotional force into like seeing this so clearly and like having this opportunity to materialize. And when I tell you, like it wasn't supposed to, like, we're not supposed to win that bid, yeah. Like and and um so anyway, like long story. So what happened with that deal? What happened with that? Long story short, we we win the right to acquire this legacy asset, and uh and then not two weeks after that, we're out in the market raising 200 million dollars basically, but actually inking these deals, inking deals on like these verbal commitments that we had to then close on the asset. Um, and so not not two weeks later, uh Powell moves forward, Jerome Powell moves forward and and decides upon that 75 basis point rate hike. Oh, yeah. Capital markets freeze, it's over, it ain't happening now. And what did the rest of that year look like? It was like a bloodbath in the real estate space and any investment space. Yep. I remember now. Now, thankfully, we hadn't closed on that asset yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:27

And um this was right when everybody was rushing to buy real estate because you get interest rates at two and a half percent, 2.9, 3%. And the next thing you know, boom, the needle dropped.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:39

It did, it's over after 10 years of you know, having the easy money space, like we're like low rates, and then it's gonna go up. Yeah, like that towel got wrinkled out. It never did, it never did until that very moment. And then who could have foresaw that the music stopped at that moment, yeah. And so there was like the rest of that year we fought and fought and fought to still make it happen, but at the end of the day, we knew that this deal wasn't it wasn't the same universe anymore, and so we made the decision to walk away from um acquiring that property, and that was like that became just so much more expensive, yeah. It did. Oh my gosh. Yeah, and um, that was just an emotional and psychological thing that I didn't want to like extend. Was like an experience that I didn't want at that point, after years of being in the space and things like that happening before with like really big deals and things of that nature. I didn't want to like expose my family to that type of like roller coaster anymore psychologically.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:46

And so I said, look, I I feel as though that there's a new chapter for my professional world and the way in which I'm going to make an impact um out there. And I just took some time and I was open to new opportunities and I can still continue to implement and become clear on like what it was of value that I was really meant to bring to the world. And that's when I started to notice all the things around me that were so integral to me even getting to that level. Yep. And like how I got to that, you know, level of capacity and acumen and performance as a business person, and nobody even knew it. And this is coming, this is from this is a former professional athlete that's sitting in rooms with NFL athlete having having you know the nine-figure negotiations. Yeah. Right? And so it's like, dang, like, how did this actually like happen?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:03

And then, you know, that's when how many people were on your team like at the time? Because you had to have been doing large transactions to even be able to compete in the bidding for that big ass transaction.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:14

I did, like I said, like I was able to leverage the relationships that I had and the partnerships that I built over years, like building relationships in that development realm for years. And like I like, for instance, like I would I would um I would read and hear about like the largest like minority developers in the country and things of that nature. And then I would just reach out to him. That's funny, like at the time, like I don't know what I was doing. And I then I saw something where Steve Jobs was talking about like as a little kid, he would do stuff like that, and then people picked up the phone. And and I would unbeknownst to me, like as a young guy, I was doing stuff like that. Like I read an article about a guy, somebody Else that looked like me that was doing developing like multi-billion dollar like uh transactions in DC or New York City or Chicago or things that nature. And I would uh I would reach out to these people and then and then message them on message them on LinkedIn, DM, like I sent letters to their office too. And then I I would get calls back and it's like okay. And then I build relationships with these folks, and then maybe I didn't end up doing a necessarily transactional deal with that person, but with somebody that I met through them or heard through, heard about through them. Yeah. And then later on that would materialize into some relationship that I actually built over a significant amount of years, and we'd end up doing work together.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:44

So that's how that type of stuff like um organically happened over the years. That's amazing, man. Yeah. That's super cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:53

So now at this point of the game, where is your business at? Where where are you taking it? And what is your impact? What do you want it to be? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:02

It's funny you asked that now, coming back off of me talking, coming off the back of me talking about that um mentality that I had around just reaching out to people. I think that's basically the same thing that happened here. Yeah. Is over the years, like in the performance and the and in the health space, I would just reach out to these doctors, like top folks in the industry, like very well-respected names in the industry. And it wasn't long before I like basically built this stable in this ecosystem that I had like backing me up in my own health uh universe. And that's what brought me to this place where we've now productized all of uh this incredible stable of practitioners and folks, and we've custom built this solution specifically for founders and entrepreneurs and businessmen that are really focused on building things, but are looking to for that next opportunity to unlock this. What's the next unlock, the next thing where it's gonna really give that, you know, the edge, that gas, that edge, right? Yeah, because so many guys, especially once you get to 35, 45, and even beyond, you're starting to like ask yourself, Am I losing a little bit? There's a little bit more there. And forget about just losing it, but you just know there's still more left. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:20

And why can't I tap that little bit of gas left in the gas? Like I can't. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:25

Why? And that's what that's what this is about. And I was fortunate enough to find these incredible practitioners, health practitioners. It all started out with them, and then I think what I realized after finding the health practitioners and building this team on that side was that I said to myself, like, wait, now what if I coupled this with actually putting intention back, not not like overdoing it and overtraining like I did as an athlete, but actually put intention back to the training aspect and had more structure in the nutrition coupled with a true, like you know, a true longevity and like performance health focused plan resource and plan as well. And you brought all of that together, and that's when everything just took off. It was this whole idea of around like what we call it within the team, is it's like synergized optimizations. It's the synergy of like bringing all that together where the true unlock happens. Yeah, and there's a lot of people that will focus explicitly on like what the resources that are now becoming somewhat mainstays in the world of health now, you're noticing and you're starting to see a lot of these platforms pop up that you can get your blood work and all that done. Right. And then get a doctor that'll check in with you every two, three months and kind of like tell you what it means and what you should put together a plan of supplements and all that stuff, and that's great. But you don't have any accountability, you don't have community, there's no true, like actual structured nutrition to that. And you don't have like this actual team and stable that's truly like overseeing you. And I knew what that was like because I was a professional athlete. I knew what it was like to have everybody working for you. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, why doesn't an entrepreneur have that? As an athlete, I'm just entertainment. Yeah, I'm just like an entertainer to a degree as a professional athlete. Yeah. But the entrepreneurs, these are the people that are out there like literally like changing the world. Yeah, they're building the products, the services, the uh the organizations that are making our not only just our economy move, but our society move. Without a doubt. And so why don't they have like a stable of individuals around them making sure that they're protected, making sure that they're performing at their peak, like compelling them to pull the the most out of themselves, yeah. Backing them up and supporting them. On the contrary, the adverse is really occurring, is that they have to be that support system for the rest of their um, you know, subordinates, right? But who's looking out for them and who's looking out for their long-term health and peak performance, if you will. And so that was the whole ethos, ethos of our vision and what we're doing with our company, Mind Body Mastery. And that was the vision behind building this team and what our products are, who they're geared toward, and the benefits that those individuals will receive from joining the movement, right? Because I think that um this is bound to happen no matter what. And I've just I just feel like it's compelled, and this isn't I'm compelled, and this is just my calling. I know that there's nothing else out there for me. It's again, it's that feeling again, like how it was when I saw my vision for getting to the league. I know that there's nothing else out there for me except this because it truly is innately the thing that has always been deep in my heart ever since I was a nine year, that nine-year-old boy in 1994. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like this whole idea around what is the potential, and I want to ensure that that happens. And I think that there's other business people and that are building creators out there that they we share in that.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:39

We do, man. I know I do. I know that's part of the reason why I stopped long enough to say, hold on a second, this isn't how I'm supposed to be feeling. I know it's not. Like, am I successful? Am I am I achieving the things that I want to achieve? Yes. But why do I feel like I'm not going as hard as I know I can? Why do I feel like I'm leaving a little bit in the tank and I don't know how to get into the tank to get that out? And you're gonna hit a ceiling as an entrepreneur, as somebody who's focused on trying to give the most you possibly can to other people and to your company. You will hit a ceiling, but what you do understand is that even though you may be hitting this ceiling and you see that perceived ceiling, mentally you know you're able to go past it. You know you're able to go past it because you know you you who you are and what's gotten you to that point to where you're at today, right? That being said, there will become a point where certain things in your body will need to be at an optimal state in order for you to get there, but no one slows down long enough to say who's checking in on the CEO, who's checking in on the creator to see how they're even optimizing themselves. You know what the problem is?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:45

Is this whole like idea around like um especially as athletes, we saw this a lot is like you just have to like this idea around like pushing through and like being tough and like mentality, this is all psyche, yeah, this is all emotional fortitude, right? But you know what comes before this emotional fortitude is our biology, and that's what I never knew. Because that's not that doesn't sound tough and a coach is not uh in a in a for in a sports setting, they're not gonna give you an out and say, Oh, you're not feeling right today, it's because something in your blood works involved. It's like no, like you show up no matter what and you're expected to do this, it's fine, whatever. But what I realized is that before you can kind of get to this place of having this like super like convicted and empowered emotional fortitude and this psyche, there's things going on within your body at a biological level that are governing your emotions, yeah. And then what comes after the biology is your physiology. So, what am I doing with my actual body? Yeah, that's governing a lot of what's going on emotionally as well. That's why all of these things around like now like breath work and meditation and cold plunging and all these things have become like people laugh at it and make all the jokes that they want about it, and it's fine, but at the end of the day, these things do actually do impact your emotions. Yes, they do. And those are like these physiological kind of hacks, if you will, that you can tap and you can use to then get yourself into a new state emotionally that then is allowing you to have this fortitude to bring that action into your hand and start and get back to it, right? But sitting at the foundation of all of that, what I realized going on that journey was it actually starts with at the biological level. Yeah, that's why you had to start with that blood, like what's going on, like where your hormone levels are. I didn't know about any of that stuff when we're playing, especially it's like as professional athletes, you didn't know. Now they probably do, but when we were playing, like I didn't look at where my hormone levels were at. We didn't think about like testosterone like levels and where they were at naturally, yeah. And whether or not you had that optimized. And now what I look back at, I remember back in the day playing ball, like guys would get popped or whatever for performance enhancing drugs. And I remember there was sometimes this energy around like certain like folks around the league or like coaches being like, yeah, or whatever. I mean, it's like, look, the guy got popped for PDs, but at the end of the time, at the end of the day, he still had to be on the field making those plays. He still had to be out there putting in the working through tough, putting in the work. This there was this whole idea around that, and that sounded right to me. I was like, Yeah, that actually does make sense because I know what it's like when you're on the field. Them muscles ain't doing nothing. Nope. Everybody got muscles, skill versus skill. Now that's what I thought. But then now, knowing what I know, it's not the muscles that empowers the guys that do, yeah, like maybe the recovery part or whatever. Those performance-enhancing compounds, they allow those players to become a different individual mentally, mentally, psychologically, emotionally, yes, and that's what does, in fact, impact them becoming this beast that's like killing everybody else. Yes. So then, to the extent there's another modality and ways and means of tapping into that space in a healthy manner, would that not then be the same outcome and benefit without a use it realm? Yes, in this business realm, because they're gonna become a different person psychologically, a more driven and motivated person so psychologically, yeah, a more convicted per person psychologically with more certainty that when they walk into the room and they're leading their team, they show up different. Yes, their vitality is different, their energy is different. Something about their overall aura and energy is different, such that everyone else in the room is like, I don't know what it is, but wherever he's going, I want to go there. I'm following that person. Yes, and that's what it's actually like really about. And I don't know if anybody ever gets that, but that's the overall like message that I don't necessarily know if I'm doing a good enough job conveying yet. But that's really what it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:47

You know what I mean? You're killing it with that, man. And and to me, that is the peak. That is truly the peak. Because after you've climbed the mountains of making money, I mean, at the end of the day, what you're gonna care more about is did I achieve greatness? Did I did I do everything that I was meant to do? Did I leave it all out there on the field for lack of a better term? And for me right now, as somebody who's been in business and has found success, my biggest thing is making sure that I'm as optimal as I possibly can. My relationship with God is intact. I'm spending the most amount of time with my family. And being at the right type of mental state allows for me to benefit not just in the business sense, in my relationship too, in my relationship with my family members. It carries over across all pillars of my life. And so I want other entrepreneurs to slow down long enough to do the work that is required in order for them to be as optimal as humanly possible. So, where can people follow you at? What is what does it look like for them to reach out to MBM? What is that what does that process look like?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:50

Yeah, the best place to tap in with me and follow me is uh at it on Instagram at Larry English underscore underscore. And then um go to mindbodymastery.com. It's our core website. Mindbodymastery.com is our training around our overall like processes and product and how we you know are getting entrepreneurs and business people from point A to Z and how they could uh potentially work with us and really join this movement. Um I see this as a vision that over the next handful of years, we're building a community, a movement of a million plus businessmen and entrepreneurs and change makers that are dead set upon materializing and maximizing their full potential. And that's where that's where I reckon this thing is going. So I'm just excited to have this megaphone for which to call forth. Yeah, call forth all the soldiers and the you know infantry men that uh are are ready to take on this task.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:59

Yeah. I'm grateful that we were able to do this, man. Yeah, and the next time we link up, man, we're gonna have to link up in the gym. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:05

Yeah, that and dinner. That and dinner. Like, don't be trying to like now segue out of the. Oh no, not that I'm already committed to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:11

Yeah, brother. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Yeah, guys, you heard it here first. Larry English just wanted to say thank you to him for coming on to the show. If you guys are watching right now, what I'd like for you to do is like, comment, subscribe. We'll be bringing on other successful athletes like Larry onto the show. We'll see you guys on the next one.