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Love, Law &… Goats? | Leslie & Ken Loock
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It’s a two-for-one episode when Leslie and Ken Loock take over the couch—and honestly, these two could have their own sitcom.
Both are attorneys; Leslie is also a professor, and together they are absolute comedic gold. Think The Not-So-Newlywed Game meets Seinfeld: quick banter, hilarious disagreements, great stories and the kind of chemistry that only comes from years of marriage, friendship and raising a family together.
We talk about parenting, studying for the bar exam, longtime friendships and old memories, travel, the legal industry, bias, marriage—and, somehow, goats.
It’s smart, funny, candid and completely unpredictable. One minute we’re talking about serious issues in the legal profession, and the next we’re somewhere none of us expected to be.
Two attorneys. One marriage. A lot of laughs. And yes… goats.
Real conversations. Real people. Real impact.
Welcome back to Laugh Love Law. I'm Heather Kaplan and today we have a special treat. We have a double episode. That's right, we're combining two. We are here with Leslie Locke. Hello. And Ken Locke. Hello. And we go way back. And today we're gonna talk about our history and their very interesting careers and all the good stuff that comes along with being a parent and all the rest of it. So are you guys ready to have a little fun? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yes. So Leslie and I met during our first year of law school. That's right. And although she is super kind and quite smart and she was a a fantastic lawyer, I wonder sometimes how we actually made it through law school. I actually don't know myself. I I often say that we had too much fun for what it was. This is really true, but I really think that we are kind of natural at law, if that makes any sense. I do, I do. And then was it the summer between the second and third year of law school you met Ken?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Yep. So how did you meet Ken? Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00We were both interning at the uh Federal Trade Commission in Manhattan. You know, we grew up two towns apart from each other. Yeah. And then we ended up meeting uh there. You were working in consumer protection, I was working in a trust division. And I noticed Leslie, we had this giant conference room. Funny story, and it's typical Leslie and me. We have this giant conference room. All the heads of the Federal Trade Commission are there, and I'm a nervous wreck, and they have a spread out just like you have here. They have food and bagels, and of course, I'm not eating anything. I'm on my sixth cup of coffee. Yeah, I don't eat and I look across the room, and there is Leslie down in a bagel, and I'm like, how the heck is she so calm that she's able to sit here and eat in front of all these people? And that was it. And that was it.
SPEAKER_02And then the students, right?
SPEAKER_01How are you not eating free food?
SPEAKER_02That's a good point.
SPEAKER_00That's a good point.
SPEAKER_02And then you guys started dating, and then Ken sort of came into our friend group, but you were going to school in Boston. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So we didn't really see Ken as a group on the regular until the summer before uh well, the summer right after we graduated, right? Right, right. When we were taking the bar.
SPEAKER_00We all studied for the bar together, which is an adventure and other stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02We all had very different experiences taking the bar. I I feel like I had so much fun in law school that I knew that if I studied with anybody, it wasn't gonna pass. Because our study sessions were more about where are we ordering Chinese food from and how soon could we be done so we can go see a movie or go out. So I studied alone. I I still look back at that and I don't even know how I did it because it was quite boring studying alone, but I knew that was my only path. And then you two studied together.
SPEAKER_01We did. We actually had to study with a group of friends that isn't as good of a group of friends as you and um a few of our other friends from law school because it was so distracting. Yeah. Um, you know, everybody, as I know now from being a professor, everybody has a different learning style, and it's super important that you meet your learning style in times of high stress. Yeah. Yeah, when you have high stakes tests going on.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I remember that summer being like the summer of hell. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. Yes. It was horrible.
SPEAKER_02And and I know for some of our friends, like they went 24-7 like non-stop. I know that I took breaks. Not I I mean, I wouldn't take days off, but I would definitely go to the mall or I would, you know, take a walk or do something. What did you guys do to break? Because I don't think we I don't think we saw each other the summer we studied at all.
SPEAKER_01No, I don't think so. I think I was too nervous. Even then I could that was a time when I could had to stop eating. I could not eat that. But you know what? I all I ate and all I really did was go to Burger King because we were studying at Ken's house and I to this day cannot eat Burger King chicken nuggets because I was eating those things every day and they remind me of the bar. Yeah. Now they make me want to puke. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Little things that remind you of that. Yeah. In all stressful periods in your life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00They help you during that time period to get through it, but then once that's over with and you you battle that, and you then you just want to put them away because you don't want anything to do with it again.
SPEAKER_02I remember being pregnant with I think it was Lily, and I had a complete aversion to broccoli when I was pregnant. And then I love broccoli, but I remember for years after I had her, I wouldn't touch broccoli because it brought me back to like that nauseous feeling. No, no, that feeling that I had when I was pregnant. I was like, oh, I can't, yeah, but so no Burger King, chicken.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, don't feed me those.
SPEAKER_02All right, all right. Um, so obviously at some point you guys were like, all right, we're gonna be study partners, but when did you figure out you were gonna be life partners?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. A few years after that we moved in together. Yeah, right? And it just it was just took its natural progression.
SPEAKER_02Was it like a moment or it was like just heading in that direction? I think it was a slow roll in that direction.
SPEAKER_00Because then we both started practicing law. And that's you know, especially in the beginning, that's an adventure in and of itself, and we just leaned on each other a lot in that respect. And uh, and you know, and and we saw that we could get through first the bar. Well, first of all, a long distance relationship. Like you said, last year law school. I was in Boston, Leslie was here on the island, then the bar, and then starting practicing together, you know, and it's uh yeah, it just kind of progressed on its its natural course.
SPEAKER_02And when you do that many things that are that hard together, it naturally you don't think it'll get harder and then you have kids, but that's always so Josh and I always say that your wedding to this day was probably the best wedding we've ever been to. No, it was they had a destination wedding, Amelia Island, yeah, right? And it wasn't small, like there were a lot of people there. Like a hundred.
SPEAKER_00I think we had a little over 80, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But like you got married on the beach. It was like beautiful. Yeah, it was fun. So I think any wedding that ends with 20 people on a golf cart is fun. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay. It was the big thing that made it fun is that everybody was able to get down there. So we were thankful you guys and everybody else. It wouldn't have been the party it was if everybody wasn't there.
SPEAKER_02It was the best. We rented a big, you know, the rest of our law school friends, we rented a big beach house, and it was just such a fun weekend, and that was 20 years ago. When did you give it away? 19. Yeah, 19th. 19. We just celebrated our 90th anniversary.
SPEAKER_00Happy anniversary. Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02And then marriage led to three amazing little locks. Yes, they are big now.
SPEAKER_0116, 14, and 11.
SPEAKER_02So what is let's stay away from the cliches, right? But like what is the uh real best part of being a parent?
SPEAKER_00You know, stay away from the cliches, I gotta say. The the the difficult times with them and then watching them get over it. It's it's hard. Because then when they grow, they all go do it. They're all individual personalities, and whether it's school or friends or whatever it may be. But then when they come out on the other on the other side of it, it's kind of amazing to see how they persevered and got through it. You know, anybody going home and seeing them smile is one thing, but really that's that's uh that's the hardest part, but you get the best reward out of the hardest stuff, right? You know?
SPEAKER_02What I I totally agree. That's an awesome answer. What quality of your own, and I want you each to answer this, did you not want to pass on to the kids?
SPEAKER_01Oh, I'm pretty clumsy.
SPEAKER_02You're not you're not the best dancer. In fact, in fact, we went to law school in the late 90s. Oh boy. And I think Seinfeld had just ended. Or it was just ended. And if anybody watching remembers the way Elaine danced on Seinfeld, well, Leslie danced worse. That's right. Yeah. But she did have no problem admitting these dances. No, no, very secure in myself. Yeah, but you did it with like she did it with zest. Like she wasn't embarrassed. No, she put it out there, it was bad. We mocked her. Okay. But yeah, so clumsiness, well, dance, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Ava's an amazing dancer.
SPEAKER_01She is. She actually stopped dancing this year, but she was a competition dancer and she won first place a couple times. She was very she's very graceful, very athletic, uh, plays a lot of softball, runs a lot of track. All right.
SPEAKER_02And Ken, what about you?
SPEAKER_00Lack of patience. Which I think every parent doesn't want their kid to to get. Yeah, I think we develop that more as we grow, right? As a parent.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But Colin is very patient.
SPEAKER_00He's Colin wears his heart on his sleeve. It's that middle it's the middle child. He's the middle child. He's got the middle child syndrome, no doubt.
SPEAKER_02It's the middle child, that patient, caring. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I know for me it was, you know, I always say that Josh was a partier when when he was young, and I was kind of a goody two shoes. And I we tell the kids, like, don't be like dad, don't be like mom, but there's like a middle ground. Like, find that middle ground. It's okay to have fun, and it's okay not to go berserk. It's like somewhere in the middle. And I think it's good because especially like Julia, my oldest, is she she's finding that middle ground. Like she she does have more fun. She parties it up a whole lot more than I did, but she's not wild and crazy.
SPEAKER_01And well, we're finding out what their humanness is, right? Like there used to be just kids that we had to raise and worry about and and we had to do things, and then as they grow older, like you see their faults, you see their good sides, like we see all their humanness in their grown-up package.
SPEAKER_02So, Leslie, my our last guest was my cousin Gabrielle, and we talked about how sometimes the path to where you are isn't a straight one. Yeah. And I think for you, that also applies. Yeah. You started out as a practicing lawyer. I did. You never found your area of law.
SPEAKER_01Let me tell you, uh uh law, I think, and I don't I don't want to say, you know, anything's a hundred percent. I think I have the brains for law. Absolutely. I don't think I have the disposition, and disposition is is really everything in this pos in in that field.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I think you're right. And then you took a windy road and you ended up as a professor.
SPEAKER_01Uh yes. So you love it. Uh yes. Uh so I actually I'm a I'm I'm called a professor, but what I do is work in the library. Okay. And I teach information literacy and I kind of schedule other librarians and and I help out running the building and stuff. Okay. I'm second in charge right now of our library.
SPEAKER_02Pretty impressive. I remember when you first made the transition. Oh, yeah. And you had gone back to school to become a law librarian, right?
SPEAKER_01So you have to go back to school. You have um, if you want to become a professor or be considered a professor, you either have a PhD. Um, in my case, you need uh double masters. So I had the master's in law already, and then I went back to library school. Um, and I started working at a law school, uh like a local area law school, and it was great. Uh it felt like a family working there, it was so different. Um, I loved it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we we uh I loved it. We we had the opportunity to work together in a not so pleasant environment years ago. Yeah, no. We um it was was it Halloween?
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, yeah, yes, where we had to stay at Daphna's house.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was it was it was Halloween. I think my oldest daughter was one, and we had just uh computer entry stuff to do, and it was due that day. Yeah, the 31st. Yeah, it was due that. It was the end of the month, and we were there so late that we ended up staying at a friend of mine in Manhattan because it would have been like three o'clock in the morning to come home. And I think it was that point that both of us realized that that type of life lifestyle wasn't for either of us.
SPEAKER_01And it was a you know, it wasn't a bad firm, it was it was very busy, you know. It was it was uh, you know, I learned a lot working there, but no balance. There was no life balance, no that that isn't that doesn't suit me at all.
SPEAKER_02No balance at all. And Ken, you've always practiced at a firm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Or for a company. For a company. As in-house, yeah, as in-house. But it's interesting, I did the type of work that you guys would do in other circumstances, but for some reason I just kept going.
SPEAKER_02Do you think and you've always done defense work?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02I'm not one to fall on labels, or do you think it's this or do you think it it's that? But do you think insurance defense is still male dominated?
SPEAKER_00No. You don't. No, no, I think you've seen a big shift. Okay. I mean, we've been doing this what 23, 24 years. I think initially, yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Initially, yes.
SPEAKER_02Because that's what I did when I got out of school. I was on the insurance defense side, med mal defense. And I'm not a feminist per se, but I'm also not offended if somebody calls me if an older person calls me sweetheart in a way that's just endearing, I don't have a problem with it. If a guy my age calls me sweetie, I want to tell him where to stick it. Yeah. So I I remember and you know, we had that experience with when we were in the firm in the city, also where it was a very for me it felt very male dominated to the point where if a woman was excelling or achieving, it was like, oh, you were achieving in spite of the fact that you're a woman. I'm glad to hear that it's made a turn.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I'm on the opposite side now, obviously. I'm on the claimant side, the plaintiff side, and I actually think there are more women on my side than there are men. But I don't yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think you've seen I think we were the the defense side was kind of forced to come to that realization. I think it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_03Good.
SPEAKER_00Right? You know, I I agree. You're absolutely I mean, you know, when we first started out, even the first ten years, it was almost totally at least the people who were the audience should know we were all trial. This is litigation. You know, we were trial lawyers and litigation. And it was all male dominated. But it was the old guard. And at some point those guys are gonna retire and they're not gonna want to do it anymore because it's it can be very difficult work and long hours and whatnot. So I think it forced them to bring other people up in the firm, younger people, to now step in and try case. Didn't have a choice, right? Cases still need to get tried. And when you have individuals, you know, then you know the associates are made up probably 50-50 men and women.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00And you're sitting there looking at them. Well, now you have to have a positive result with a trial, right? Or you're gonna lose the client. That's right. And they look at um a you know, an associate who may be a woman, and you're like, Well, she can dominate this case as opposed to so it was really just a matter of, well, we're gonna let these people go forward, men or women, and it but they're gonna they're gonna get to try cases on their own val on their own right and how they've performed that and you've seen that they can do the job just as well, if not better. So they had more opportunities to step into that arena, and now I think it's changed the uh the entire tide of of seeing more women in the higher roles than men, which is which is great.
SPEAKER_01You know what I also think was a huge shift? I feel like when we were first starting out, it was a big thing to go out during lunch and drink with your bosses. And I don't think people do that anymore. Like, I just don't think that's like a natural thing that happens every Thursday afternoon after you submit your billing for the week, that you go out and have a liquid lunch and you're sitting there eating with your bosses and they're pounding alcohol. And that's just not something I would do naturally anyway. I'm not that big of a drinker, but like I could not imagine that that that still happens all the time. I mean, it it definitely doesn't happen in academia.
SPEAKER_02I remember golf was also a big separator between the men and the women because most of the women didn't play golf. Right. And even if they did, they weren't asked to play golf. No, the the men would go out in their foursoms and play golf, which is terrific. But if there was a woman that played, she was excluded because she wasn't one of the boys. Right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't I don't they had to be very aware that you played golf instead of you know just just kinda you know being asked to come along.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. If you weren't a lawyer, Ken, what would you be?
SPEAKER_00Veterinarian. You love that. Without a doubt.
SPEAKER_02You love animals and you worked for a veterinarian before you got into law.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for almost ten years, yeah. Without a doubt.
SPEAKER_02You love it.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_02I remember having a conversation with you years ago about like animal, animal uh like seeing if you could find like the legal world in animal practice. But yeah, but I don't think animals can pay. Right, but they're considered right, animals are considered pri it's property, right?
SPEAKER_00They're not considered no no, you see, we I think in ten years we had one we m the animal uh the uh house I work for have one case. And uh something went wrong. Yeah, simple, you know, and uh and and but it's very few, few and far between.
SPEAKER_02Animals should not be considered a property, yeah. Well and Les, I know you kind of already answered that question. If Ken could he probably practice wild animal law getting paid, I like it. I like it, I like it. Um so now we're gonna we're gonna move to a fun segment called Laugh Love Law. Right. And what we're gonna do is Les, can you grab those three panels? Paddles, panels, whatever we want to call them. Now, since you're here together, you're gonna have to work as a team. Okay. Alright. So I'm gonna give you a topic. If it's something that you love, obviously you hold up the love paddle. If it's something that makes you chuckle, you hold up the laugh paddle. And if it's something that's like a big thumbs down, you hold up the law panel. And I think you could appreciate that, right? And if you have a little story to tell, feel free, but you don't have to. Ready? But the rule here is that you two must agree. All right. Okay. You ready? Fair enough. Being late.
SPEAKER_01I'm here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's a law panel right there.
SPEAKER_02It's a law panel, but are you guilty of it?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I am guilty of it. My daughter is like A-type to the max and has B training. Oh no, what what does he say? If if you're if you're on time, you're late.
SPEAKER_00No, if you're not early, you're late.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, if you're not early, you're late. Our kids, our kids are so A-type.
SPEAKER_02I don't even know where they came from. Yeah. Charlotte gets really upset if we're running a little bit late. And my my mom was always, she was always politely late, but she was always late. So I grew up not thinking and not realizing how rude being late is. So now, like if it's 4 55 and we have to be back at the at the school at 5, Charlotte's like, I can't believe we're leaving now. You're gonna make me late. And she gets upset. I'm like, okay, okay. I I I got it. I got it. So no, that's that's that's a low one for me, too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, my daughter's always the first one at practice. My son is always early for his internship. They're on time for school. They reports us. It's better. All right. Regifting. Regifting. Oh. Uh, I guess I don't know. Don't, don't, there's no, there's no shame in it.
SPEAKER_00I think that's a laugh one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's a laugh. But as long as wait, am I receiving or giving?
SPEAKER_02It's just it's just the topic. For me, it's that you just make sure you don't re-gift to the person who gave it to you so bad.
SPEAKER_01Wouldn't that person be the one who wants it? Because I if when I buy people gifts, I'm only gonna give it something I want to. So my own thing back. But it's like I don't want a wine decanter. I'll take one. Yeah, but if I got two nice couch cushions, I'm gonna You want them back?
SPEAKER_02All right. I was actually so happy that at my 50th birthday, um, I didn't get a single bottle of alcohol. Yeah. Which was like, okay, my friends actually know me because that would not be something that I I just I don't drink for at all. Not because I had a reason not to drink. I just don't like the taste of alcohol and I prefer to eat my calories, so I just never, I never drank. And I was like, oh, I didn't, you know, I was so happy that I didn't get any of these generic bottles of liquor. So yeah. All right. Um, piercings. Piercings. Oh, I'm fine with that. That's love. Wait, where?
unknownJust the topic.
SPEAKER_01Now you get different. You're ready. I'm fine with the ear. Alright. Okay. All right. We're not gonna get it. All right, all right.
SPEAKER_00That's okay. You don't think about the thing?
SPEAKER_01I don't like the one where you can see the hole through the ear.
SPEAKER_02I can't hold it. I can't, you know, it it looks good on certain people. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but what happens if you take it out? I know it tangles like it's like.
SPEAKER_01I don't know what very like sort of about 20-year-olds with the belly button perfectly fine.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. No, you know, the problem the I think the belly button rings look nice on some people, but then what happens when you're old? I don't know. Same thing with tattoos. Whatever. Whatever. I like tattoos. I like tattoos. Um, okay. Being underestimated.
SPEAKER_00Oh.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you know, I actually don't hate that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't hate that.
SPEAKER_01I feel like it's kind of an advantage. I would laugh at that. Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_00Especially in my line of work. I don't, I don't I actually love them.
SPEAKER_02Family vacations. Oh, that's awesome. That yeah, that's a love, right? Yeah, which one is that? I wish we could do it more. Yeah, I know. It's interesting as the kids are getting older, and I'm sure you're finding this too, but like I love going away with the older kids now. Me too, because they're funny. And they're friends. Like we're having fun.
SPEAKER_01It's like we're we're we're doing it. We want to eat good things, we love good food. Yes. We love spending our money.
SPEAKER_00It's the best way for them to grow. Yeah. Like nothing experiences you more than travel, right? Meeting different types of people and everything. It's you know, you can read about it, but it's not it's different. It's different when you're actually there.
SPEAKER_02Well, that and going to all you can eat sushi. That's right. We should do that soon. We're actually long overdue. Yeah. Actually, we had a conversation about it today. Yeah, we haven't seen you guys in a while. I know. We found a couple of new places, but like we have to always find the mix between sushi and Chinese food because Lily doesn't eat anything. Oh. So it has they have to have like the rice and like the teriyaki chicken, but I love those all you can eat sushi places. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01My mom would yell at Lily and say that's a waste of money. She's like, warrior the base. You know, I I think we might have to tell the ham cube story. We can tell it. We can tell it. Ham cube. Yeah. But we can't let my mom hear the story then. She'll she'll Okay, so she'll be sad.
SPEAKER_02So this story is not about Leslie's mom. No. It's not. Definitely not. No. We'll just say that I'm not as picky as Lily as of an eater, but I'm pretty like I don't eat that many different things. But I absolutely adored I still do Leslie's mom. She's very cute. And she would always cook for me, and everything she would make was like deliciously authentic Chinese food until the one day she made something. It's authentic Chinese, but you didn't warn me. And I sat down for dinner, and there was something that I could not identify, and I'm like, oh well, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna upset Mrs. Wong. I'm gonna eat this. And I'm like, oh my god, what is this? And then Leslie says, Why'd you eat that? It's it's a ham cube. And why don't you tell everybody what a ham cube is?
SPEAKER_01So what what is that German one that I is it called head cheese? Is that what it's like a coal cut? Yeah. Does anybody know what that is? It's like And it's got the gelatin in the case. Okay, so it's like little chunks of ham and corn and peas suspended in this collagen jello thing. It's made in like a uh a bread pan and then sliced. That is how Heather um tried what we were calling ham cubes. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I and I I did I ate the whole thing and I swallowed it because I didn't want to never get it.
SPEAKER_01You don't want to be rude, so you can eat it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But for years we talked about this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So ham suspended in jello isn't natural.
SPEAKER_02Mrs. Wong, thank you for cooking for me, but I'm not gonna have those anymore.
SPEAKER_01My mom hasn't made them since that day. Well, yeah, I don't I don't remember that. No, you've never had to suffer through a hand queue.
SPEAKER_00I suffered through other things, but not.
SPEAKER_01We've eaten all sorts of stuff. My mom makes this is why my kids eat everything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, your kids are really good eaters. All right, you ready for some capsule confessions? Alright, let's go. Let's go. So, so warning. You're supposed to take the quarter, put it in the machine, like the gumball machine, turn it, and then one will come out. It'll have a question in it. Okay. You can either answer it, make me answer it, or save it for the next guest. Okay. But in your case, you can either answer it, give it to each other, and make me answer it. Now, we're having a little problem with the turn dial. So here's what we've learned. You ready? Okay. You first jiggle, then you put the quarter in, then you turn.
SPEAKER_03Alright.
SPEAKER_02If you can follow those directions, I think that was this one. I'm gonna leave that up to you because my aforementioned card is a little bit more. Should I go and do it? Yeah, go do it. So it's the quarters, not the pretty tokens, because those don't fit. Okay. No, those are those are. No, there's quarters in there. Oh, there's it? Yeah, they're mixed in with the pretty tokens. Alright, jiggle. Quarter. Good job, Ken.
SPEAKER_00There you go.
SPEAKER_02Alright, open it up and see what we got here.
SPEAKER_00Alright, let's see what we got here. Should I read out loud? Yeah. What dream has existed for you since childhood, but still remains unfulfilled.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, so deep. That is deep.
SPEAKER_00Can I keep this one?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, keep that one.
SPEAKER_00No, but can I can I answer it?
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. I know what he's gonna say. Go ahead. What are you gonna say? He wants a goat.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_01They cannot have one. That with Josh. We need Josh to be here. Josh and I are gonna get we already talked about it. By the way. I think it's illegal to go.
SPEAKER_00Josh and I had a conversation before we started it. We're gonna buy a uh a cocoa farm in the mountains in the mountains of Oahu and we're gonna get.
SPEAKER_02Is there a Trader Joe's nearby? No. You know, it's gonna make it up. It's always a really wonderful thing when one of your best friends gets married and you like their husband, but then your husband and her husband like each other. The problem is, I find that every time we're together, Ken and Josh cost us a lot of money. Yes, because they want a lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_00The issue is we will cost you a lot of money one day.
SPEAKER_01Why don't you go look one day on the land with a goat?
SPEAKER_00One of these things, one of our dreams are gonna come to fruition, and then then we'll cost you a lot of money. But you you stick around still and you know it's coming. I mean we love you, you gotta deal with it.
SPEAKER_02And I probably would love a goat, especially like you can kiss them right away. And you can't get just one. No. You have to go to the spa when they take care of the goats.
SPEAKER_01Can we at least say hi to the goat? We can say hi to the goat, but then we're gonna go get sushi. All right, okay, that works. No ham cube.
SPEAKER_02All right, no ham cube. All right, Ken, can you do it again? Because I don't have that much faith in Leslie doing the You want me to do the thing?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, wait, what was your childhood dream? To be a professional BMX.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, that that was uh before you tipped your tooth and broke ribs.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, so my husband is a weird, sketchy after 50 man who still rides his skateboard around our neighborhood. Oh, I think he's a uh BMX junkie.
SPEAKER_00He has his bike from when he was like 1983 pre GT Pro Freestyle. It's probably anybody's concerned. Yeah. What do you got? Okay.
SPEAKER_01What does home mean to you? Let's leave that to Heather because she's sappier. What does home mean to you? I am a little sappier. She's way sappier. Home is wherever my family is. That's it. Which might as well be one of those.
SPEAKER_02She doesn't like Starbucks or something like that. Yeah, it is. That is very, but you know what? I feel like I would be really good at writing those signs. Yes, you would. I would. I would I used to like to make greeting cards when I was a kid. I'm like, yeah, I could like I could put out all the mush. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, I see a side gig for you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean, do I need any more?
SPEAKER_00Well, you're you're gonna need it to afford Josh and I listen.
SPEAKER_02You're gonna fit a goat. I know. I work at school. I'll buy one goat and buy the other one. All right, come on, one more.
SPEAKER_00All right, we'll do it. We're doing another one.
SPEAKER_02Now jiggle.
SPEAKER_00Let's go. Yep, yep, yep. Hang on, you gotta get the quarter first. Okay.
SPEAKER_01He's very good at goats. I know. I think everybody did it. Oh, yeah. Oh, spoke too soon, huh? That's it. He didn't jiggle properly.
SPEAKER_00Maybe it's the quarter.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you gotta try a different. Alright, alright. Because quarters aren't all the same.
SPEAKER_02Alright, what do we got?
SPEAKER_00Okay, let's see what we got.
SPEAKER_02It's purple.
SPEAKER_00It's purple and it won't open. What's still on your bucket list? That's a fun question you answer. Oh, I want to go to Japan. I want to go to Japan.
SPEAKER_01Let's go. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Josh and I are gonna buy a place in Japan. Oh my god. They're gonna get Japanese goats.
SPEAKER_02Well, we're gonna get massages and eat sushi in Japan. All right. All right. Alright, yeah. I'm in for that. Um, yeah, that was a good one.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, so I have merch for you guys because I love merch. Yeah, because you know, I go big or go home, right? That's right. So we got these. Nice. Thank you so much. Yeah. And then how cute is this?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Appreciate it. I'll show the back.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Ken Ava can steal yours. It's gone. Because it's it's already a lot of pink.
SPEAKER_01Ava, we don't own anything anymore. My daughter owns everything. We just kind of reside in our house.
SPEAKER_02When anyone in my house is missing, shoes, jeans, shirts. Charlotte has it. Yep. But Charlotte and I don't wear the same size shoes.
SPEAKER_01But yet somehow, you know. See, Ava and I have the same size shoes. All those Nike Air Force ones. Oh, they're not yours, I know. They're not mine anymore. No, none of them. Oh my god. None of them.
SPEAKER_02Um, so friends, I need you to each sign one of those pretty tokens. Okay. And let's drop them into our jar of memories. See, I'm being sappy again. Yeah. You can use it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Here, here's yours. Oh, it's glittering. This token's got some girls to it.
SPEAKER_02But you can't sign it with that. You have to sign it with the Sharpie. Alright. I'm lucky. It's there just to trick you. There you go. This was fun.
SPEAKER_00You feel like real coins. Yeah. I know.
SPEAKER_02Well, I bought them so that they would go into the initials in a way. It can't be my home now. So I'm hyphenate. The best thing is having your friends that are also your colleagues that are also your travel companions and apparently co-goat purchasers. Oh gosh, no.
SPEAKER_00We're not cheap either. You guys are gonna find that out real soon. No, you know what?
SPEAKER_02Just don't just don't tell me. And and lastly, I just want to say that we joke around a lot and we managed to get through law school, but and camping. We managed to get through family. Oh, we didn't even camping. We gotta do another episode. We didn't even scratch the church.
SPEAKER_01I'm from Long Island! I'm from that. I know.
SPEAKER_02But we had we had a nice camper.
SPEAKER_01Yes, you did. And Josh made a lot of barbecue. He did.
SPEAKER_02Guy can cook. He he can. He can. But I want to say that through it all, you guys are pretty accomplished for, you know, we joke around. We, you know, you've you've done a lot. You've you've you've been pretty successful. And whether or not you get to be a BMX racer or get your goat, I'm very proud of how far we've all come. Yes.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and we'll celebrate our accomplishments in Japan.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I like that.
SPEAKER_00And this is awesome. We're great to see this rock and a lot of people.
SPEAKER_02I like it. So kinichiwa, right? Yeah. Yeah, Kenichiwa. Hello.
SPEAKER_01Am I Japanese? Is it like a shalom? Is it like Japanese has to be that? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Is it like shalom? Does it mean everything? I have no idea. I just want to go there. Alright, so it's the only Japanese word I know. Kenichiwa? What does it mean? What does kinichiwa mean?
SPEAKER_00Anybody? I think it's hello.
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_01This is when one of us having a phone would be a very important thing.
SPEAKER_02Do you know that I took French in elementary school, like like kindergarten through fourth grade, but the only phrase that I retained from French was ille pa, which I think means it is not snowing. And when we got to France in 2012, I got off the plane and I went, illege pa. And I'm like, I had waited my whole life to do that. So now I need to know what Genichiwa means. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Well, we'll learn it and you could say it when we get off the plane in Japan.
SPEAKER_01Alright, I am bilingual. I understand Chinese, but I took Spanish in school, and the only phrase I remember is yo quiero el pase de bano. I would like the pass to the bathroom.
SPEAKER_02Well, well, on that, on that thank you for tuning in to Laugh Love Law, and we'll be back with another episode soon. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having us. Bye.