We're Still Here, Babe
We’re Still Here, Babe, hosted by actress Natanya Ross, is a celebrity interview podcast that goes beyond the highlight reel. Featuring familiar faces from the ‘90s and beyond, each episode explores life after fame through honest conversations about mental health, recovery, resilience, addiction, trauma, personal growth, and the moments that happen when the cameras stop rolling. From iconic actors to unforgettable television and film stars, We’re Still Here, Babe offers a behind-the-curtain look at the human stories that remind us we’re all a lot more alike than we think. Because quitting was never an option.
We're Still Here, Babe
Ep. 3 - Marla Sokoloff
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This week on We’re Still Here, Babe, Natanya is joined by one of her oldest friends, Marla Sokoloff. This conversation goes far beyond Hollywood as they look back on growing up together, surviving the chaos of childhood and high school, and sharing so many unforgettable firsts along the way. They reminisce about the movies and projects they’ve been in together while celebrating Marla’s incredible career, from Full House and The Practice to The Baby-Sitters Club, Party of Five, Sugar and Spice, and so much more. It’s funny, nostalgic, honest, and a
deeply personal conversation between two lifelong friends reflecting on where they started, where life has taken them, and why the connections that shape us never ever leave us.
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SPEAKER_02Oh my god, we're sold. Okay. Today's guest is somebody you guys know from Full House, The Practice, Sugar and Spice, Whatever It Takes. A little movie you might have heard of called The Babysitter's Club. I don't have you heard that was you, right?
SPEAKER_00I haven't heard of it. I don't know what you do.
SPEAKER_02Okay, that might be wrong. I might have gotten that wrong. Sorry. Um, but I actually know her as my childhood best friend. We grew up together in this business. We went through so many firsts together, and honestly, there's probably nobody else I could have this exact conversation with other than you. So please welcome to We're Still Here, Babe. Marla Sokoloff. Hello!
SPEAKER_00Like, do you see the chills? I have actual chills.
SPEAKER_02Do you really?
SPEAKER_00I have like everywhere all over my body chills.
SPEAKER_02I feel like I'm already gonna cry.
SPEAKER_00I know. I'm so proud of you. I mean, for just so many things. Like, I could list a thousand things that I'm proud of you for, but like I know how hard it is to execute what you're doing and to actually like bring it to life. And you did it, and I'm just so happy for you. And I'm so proud of us that we're still friends. I know. You know, like I I don't even want to know how many years it's been because that makes it so scared.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, it's 32. That's so weird because we're 32. So I know.
SPEAKER_02Well, we have been friends since we're, you know, very, very young. So, you know, we are all right.
SPEAKER_00I won't interview you for one second. Do you when we met? Because I don't.
SPEAKER_02Okay, now let me just say this is exactly why I said this episode will be so different and special because when you get to interview your childhood best friend, it's different. So my first very first question is to you, and it's the very first question I ask to every guest is do you remember where we met?
SPEAKER_00Seriously. Is that really the first question?
SPEAKER_02I promise you. Do you remember where we met? And and I asked that because even when I asked Ryder yesterday, he was like, I don't. I just always remember knowing you.
SPEAKER_00100%.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, really? Okay, so I think, and granted, perimenopause, okay, like almost 45. Give me a break here, but I think it was at the wardrobe fitting for Freaky Friday.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was gonna say it has to be Freaky Friday because I didn't know you before that, I don't think. No.
SPEAKER_02No. And another another thing about our dynamic in real life, too, is I'm sure that you know, our fans back in the 90s probably really thought you were the bad girl, you know, and I was kind of this like, you know, dopey little innocent hang-along. And really it was kind of I was kind of the bad girl.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you were the one who like when my when I went to your house, like I knew shit was going down. Like we were gonna have a fun evening. There was gonna be no parental issues, you know, we were just doing whatever the hell we wanted.
SPEAKER_02Whatever the hell we wanted. Yeah. I um yeah, I think we definitely fooled people a lot with our on-screen personas as opposed to the off-screen. So yeah, I think we met at 12 uh on Freaky Friday. It must have been. And I remember we just fell in love instantly. We were best friends instantly. I think we bonded a little bit over um Andrew Keegan. Let's just call it what it is. We didn't, yeah, you know, and then I I might have we might we might have bonded over Andrew and Casey, actually. I know, I think. Because you and I have never liked the same guy ever.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Which was thank you for us. Thank God. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00I know. Yeah. I mean, did we both like Will? Um what's his last name?
SPEAKER_02Estes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I think we're from Alex Mack?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I didn't.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I love you, Will, but I didn't not in that way.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I had it based on the city. Oh, you did for it. Why don't I like never gave me the time of day?
SPEAKER_02I kind of remember this.
SPEAKER_00Like he just would not bite, but I was like so into him.
SPEAKER_02That's that that's kind of how I was about Nate, to be honest. I would see him at all these parties.
SPEAKER_03Stop.
SPEAKER_02Wouldn't give me the time of day. Like maybe would like glance over very quickly. But you remember, and this is part of stuff I want to talk about as well, but you remember, you know, in that time, men weren't necessarily respectful of young women's ages, you know, and uh and Nate very much was, and you know, what a guy, what a guy for that, you know. But me as my like 14, 15, 16-year-old Natanya, just thinking that every man is supposed to fall madly in love with me because that's what I was used to, you know, and he just completely ignored me. So I have that with me.
SPEAKER_01Well, it worked.
SPEAKER_02It did 44, yeah. I mean, a million years later. Hello, here we are. It finally worked. Um, okay, I want to talk about the babysitters club because there's a lot of lore there that you know only you and I could probably tell. And I'm quite sure a lot of people would like to hear about some of that. But also I want to talk about some of what was going on like internally at that time. Do you know what I mean? Like, I I remember as I was writing out all these questions, I remembered that um when we filmed that, I lied about my age. Not because I had to, but because I was just like embarrassed to be so much younger than everybody else, and it was only one year. Yeah. And then you and I, like a year after babysitters, we had this like come to Jesus conversation where we like admitted all the things we'd been hiding from each other. Do you remember?
SPEAKER_00No. That's what I'm just gonna stop you to say, and I know I've told you this before. I don't remember a lot of like those years. Yeah, I don't know why. I I don't know if I like have some trauma there where I blocked things out, but I'm not like I feel like I it's all a blur, but when I look through pictures, those memories like come back. But you're so much better at this game than I am.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I don't I don't know about that. But what I do remember is we had this conversation, and you were like, um, I tried smoking a cigarette for the first time. I or no, you were like, I think I smoke now. I was like, oh I was like, Marla, I'm only 13 or whatever it was. I'm like, I'm only 14, I'm not 15. You were like, what? And it was just this like big crazy revelation, and I think it like I was like, let's go have a cigarette and talk about it. Yeah, no, really. And and then I was a smoker right along with you. So you were, I mean, I guess you were you you kicked it off real. Oh, look at that with the cigarette. Hey, art imitating life.
SPEAKER_00That's right, because my dad smoked.
SPEAKER_02I'm the real life Stephanie, yeah. Jody, man, she might have got you on TV. She got me in real life. That's right. That's hilarious. Oh my god, that's so funny. But Babysitter's Club was such an incredibly special movie for so many reasons. It was such, I mean, obviously a coming-of-age movie, but and I say in interviews all the time too, I feel like it was a coming of age movie for us as a cast as well.
SPEAKER_00Definitely. And that's another kind of like success story because we all are still friends. Like, you know, obviously we don't see each other very often, but there is so many like opportunities that we get to see and talk and interact. And, you know, that's very rare.
SPEAKER_02It's it it's so it's so incredibly rare to maintain friendships this long. I think it says a lot about people. I think it says a lot about um, it's a real testament to like our our affection and feelings towards each other. Um, I'll I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit and we'll go back to it, but it's just such a perfect time to say. But again, as I was writing through the questions, I remembered that you and Josh Peck, so random, were the only two people I called when I was going into rehab the last time, the very last time I ever went in when I was 30 years.
SPEAKER_00And why do you think that is?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that my I think that well, I think with Josh, because he had been so supportive of me in recovery and you know, we had our own kind of thing, you know, special relationship. And then with you, I think my heart was probably just gravitating towards something I knew. You know, it was like it was so subconscious. It was like, it was not even like it just was like open the phone, like who do I call? Like, who should I who's the person to I'll call Marla and just I I'm just gonna tell two people I'm going in and that's it, you know? And then so anyway, we'll get back to that. But yeah, Babysitter's Club, you know, such a coming of age movie. We were uh in the the prime of puberty. I make jokes online all the time. You guys were all so cool with your like Nirvana albums and whole and cranberries, and I had them too, but I was like, you know, rocking with DLC and just like hiding it in the back and stuff. So um, and then you know, that there was a a little romance for me on that movie, which was uh very telling he's gonna be on this podcast, you know. Maybe he's so private now, God bless. But but I think maybe we gotta get him on this. We're talking about Austin O'Brien. I think we have to get him on the podcast to talk about. I mean, he was my first kiss, my first boyfriend, my first everything. Our first kiss was at the babysitter's club rap party at Pickwick Bowling Alley.
SPEAKER_00I do remember that.
SPEAKER_02Crazy. So what what for you were some of the kind of well, one, some of the things you still remember to this day about that experience with Babysitter's Club? Or two, just like, you know, it was Scott, it was such a a sh uh thing that shaped us. And it's lasted for so long. I mean, it's a literal cult classic at this point, you know. So what for you, what was going on for Marla while you were filming all of that?
SPEAKER_00And okay, I remember a lot of my inner workings in my brain. I remember this is such a silly memory, but I remember I had really bad acne. Remember that?
SPEAKER_02Well, I don't want to say that, but yes, I do. No, it was during the time.
SPEAKER_00And I remember go finally like going on Accutane. Yeah, you I didn't know that when you go on Accutane, your skin like breaks out more to kind of like purge it, and it just was so hard to like be on camera and feel so that self-conscious feeling, you know. So I do remember that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I remember you hated a lot of not hated, but you really were uncomfortable with a lot of your wardrobe as well.
SPEAKER_00Yes, exactly. Like which people always talk about Koki's wardrobe and how much they loved it, but I mean it was iconic. But it was like short skirts, which like I never showed any parts of my body because I was like, you know, developed early and like I was way more insecure. And so I feel like that movie brought out a lot of insecurities for me at a time where, like, you know, you're really going through it.
SPEAKER_02Right. And it's a really interesting thing because that specific character of the entirety of the movie would be deemed as like the most confident, the most badass, the most self-assured. And that was like, you know, such a big part of why I wanted to create this podcast too, because I wanted to just give my friends an opportunity to come on and talk a little bit about some of these kind of iconic things that we've done, but maybe a little bit of the understanding of what was going on behind the scenes. Because yeah, I mean, it looked beautiful with the outfits and the this and the that. And like even I remember like the when they would try. I mean, this was the big thing with redheads in the 90s. They always wanted the pigtails or the braids or whatever, and it was mortifying to me. It was so mortifying. Like you, I developed early. I, you know, always kind of wanted over you. Remember how I dressed like a tomboy in the 90s, you know? That was like my thing. And so yeah, I do remember you going through that. Um, like what else from that? I know it's hard. I know a lot of some of those moments are blacked out for me too. I think what I remember most definitely is like the horse stables. I remember that entire day very well because that was our first day.
SPEAKER_00That was our first day. That was our first day. Yeah, I remember that it rained a lot while we were filming that movie. Do you remember that?
SPEAKER_02I do, and we were stuck in that schoolroom.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was just always fucking raining. I'm like, what is happening? Like, it was like it hasn't rained in LA since that movie was filmed, I swear.
SPEAKER_02Like everyone's club is responsible for helping California. Yeah, there you go. We've done something good.
SPEAKER_00And like, remember we like, did we am I making up that we like filmed at Kevin Cosner's house? Or did I know his daughter?
SPEAKER_02You're not making that up. His daughters were in the movie, and we we had a screening at his house.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02And like some met yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I also remember going to a fitting at the um for the horse day, the fitting, we had to go to like a um it was like a warehouse. Yeah, and it was like on it's somewhere in Burbank.
SPEAKER_02That I don't remember, but I do remember the fitting. And um, yeah. Do you remember the audition? This was another one where I was like, you're the part's yours, you know, and then all of a sudden it's like you gotta go audition for a different role, not for the one they said you were gonna get.
SPEAKER_00So no, I don't even remember audition. Nope.
SPEAKER_02Maybe you didn't, maybe I had to really quickly. No, I totally did.
SPEAKER_00I don't think I was in that phase of my life, but I remember it.
SPEAKER_02But I remember Melanie, the director of Freaky Friday, she told us right before we rapped, Freaky Friday, she pulled us aside and said, Hey, look, I'm doing the Babysitter's Club movie. Do you don't remember this? No, are you sure what? What? She pulled us, I've never forgotten this. She pulled us aside and said, I'm the next movie I'm filming is the Babysitter's Club, and I want the two of you in as two of the Babysitter's Club. And Marla, I want you to be Mary Ann, and Natanya, I want you to be Don. And we were like, Okay. You know, and then we told our moms and the agent, everyone got involved, and the next thing I knew, I had an audition for Grace. You're like bad girls.
SPEAKER_01I think you mean Don.
SPEAKER_02I was like, I I think you got the names confused, and poor, poor me and Larissa. This has happened to us our whole, you know, I was supposed to be Alex, and it was just a whole big thing. Anyway, um, we'll get over it in our episode.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, it's fine, Larissa.
SPEAKER_02It's a lot of therapy that's gotta go on. But yeah, and then, you know, I got we got this part of the bad girls, and um it's that it's just um been such an iconic thing that has held up for so long. So I wanted to just give the audience a tiny little bit about that because I know people.
SPEAKER_00That's so funny. And so like so messed up that we thought we were gonna get those parts and then we got the other parts instead, you know.
SPEAKER_02No, that was messed up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Did you talk to Melanie about that?
SPEAKER_02That's that's Hollywood, babe. That's Hollywood, babe. What are we gonna do? Yeah, you know? Okay. We've gone through a lot of firsts together, okay? First. Did you just drop something? It says right here. Okay. Excel so you're high. This is where Marlon was at the end of the time. Yes. This is where we went to high school together. And what we mean by high school is a school that allowed us to only have to go for about two and a half hours a day. Oh, was it good?
SPEAKER_00I thought it was even more than that. I thought it was like 8 30 to 12 30. No? No.
SPEAKER_02No, it was it was maybe three hours with a 30-minute lunch break. And during that lunch break, religiously, we would go behind the liquor store, smoke our cigarettes, see if we could get someone to buy a little something for it, you know, whatever. It was the fucking 90s. It was wild.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you would ask anyone, hey, can you buy me a pack of Camel Lights? Yeah, sure, no problem. You get it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and also like a Mickey's. Yeah, okay. You know, yeah, no problem, great. Exactly. Here's an extra five bucks. Why were we doing that in high school? Because we were cool, man. Because we were, we're we're and don't you forget it.
SPEAKER_00Don't you forget it. Like, what's the confusion here? I don't understand.
SPEAKER_02Well, yes, we were very fucking cool. I mean, we really were we really were cool in real life too. But there was something going on because there was other kids in the industry that were pretty squeaky clean, you know, that were also working as much as we were, or maybe not as much, or what have you. But um, you know, for me, God, I've had to fuck do some incredibly deep soul searching over the last, you know, however many decades about nature versus nurture, all of the things. Sorry, you guys, this hat is driving me fucking nuts right now. Um, and you know, I I I know your situation is different, but at my house there was not a lot of parental um anything. You know, my mom was a very sick woman. Um, and yeah, it was fun as fuck for a while. It was the party house, like we could do anything we wanted. She would most likely buy the liquor for us if we wanted. Like if we ran out of weed, pop in a mom's room, she's you know, totally. But also, that contributes so much to the trajectory of a young woman's life, you know, because I at a certain at a certain point nobody could tell me no. Nobody could tell me no because I was everything, I was the breadwinner, I was the I was the everything, you know? And um, and so I wonder with you what was different, because uh we had a different week.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean listen, my parents couldn't have been more opposite of that, right? Like my mom, I had a curfew in senior year, you know? Like I had to be home at 11 p.m. Like Cindy Sokolov is she could be really scary, you know.
SPEAKER_02She's a gangster, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she is a gangster. She she does I mean, even now to this day, you know. She's yelled, you know how many times she's yelled at me? She is a ball buster, and so I mean, I got in trouble. Here's the difference between my brother and I is I was really good at not getting caught. My brother, anytime he would go and do something bad, he would get caught. He was just like lazy, you know, in the in his execution. Um but yeah, I think my mom definitely I give her all the credit because she really kept me on the straight and arrow. Um also from a very young age, you know, it was always you know, don't do drugs, don't do drugs, don't do drugs, don't do it. And I was terrified, and I never did. I mean, besides like smoke pot. I still never touched a drug.
SPEAKER_02Right. Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, but that also comes with like wanting to rebel, right? Like when you are being told so that it's like a double-edged sword. But I think the fear of God definitely kept me, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I I agree. And I think that's probably where our separation started to happen too, is that as we started to get older and to the age where, you know, I mean, by the time I was 18, I was pretty deep in. I wasn't like a junkie or anything yet, but I was partying with some of the older, tougher actor people in town, you know, and um it was just I just remember, and you could totally cut this out. No, I wanna I this if you were about to say what my next question was, you probably are.
SPEAKER_00No, I remember when I felt a shift for you. Oh, yes, that was scary. Um, like the whatever it takes era, you know, there was a certain actor in that movie that kind of led you down a path that I'll never forgive him for. Um, and I just remember we were at someone's house. I don't know who someone's house in Toluca Lake, it was a party, and I was like, oh fuck.
SPEAKER_02Really?
SPEAKER_00You're gonna have to cut out all my screen. I'm so sorry, Chloe. Um yeah, like I have chills again, but I remember that's when I felt the shift. Like before it was was fun, not innocent necessarily, but it wasn't like scary until then.
SPEAKER_02Wow, yeah. And I was still showing up, just trying to hold on to the last little strings I had to you guys, you know, the last ties I had to my friends, to my family, my group, but you know, all while knowing I like really couldn't hold it together much longer. It's interesting you bring that up because I was gonna um um I was gonna ask you that. Like, you know, because we were best friends for so long and we did everything together, we were inseparable, all these movies, all the things, da-da-da. And then at a certain point, our friend groups changed a little bit. You went to the artsy school and got an artsy boyfriend and all the things, and um uh, you know, and and but and we really tried though. We really it's not for lack of trial.
SPEAKER_00I don't remember a time all the time of us not talking per se. I think there was like distance, but we were always you know, come back around to each other, see each other at a certain point.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um and then I was disappeared.
SPEAKER_02Then I know I disappeared for like me and you disappear, but also like I did too.
SPEAKER_00Like the phone call you're talking about, I know we've talked about before, it was too. 2012, correct?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I guess so. Maybe a little before, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I either had just had my daughter or was about to. Yeah. So I was like, my brain wasn't fully like present either, you know, and we've talked about that before where I feel like I don't forgive myself for that because I feel like I wasn't really able to be there for you because I was in a different land, you know?
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, just the fact that you picked up the phone was enough. I'm gonna cry. Like it had been so many years since someone had even picked up my phone call.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So maybe to answer your question from earlier, like, why would you think to call me? Like, maybe because I knew you'd be someone who would always be there to help me no matter what.
SPEAKER_00No matter what. And and also on top of that, it's vice versa. Like you're taking my call, and you are the first person to execute whatever help is necessary. And Jarody and I were talking about it literally two days ago, you know, and what you did for her with her scenario. It's like you are a constant in so many people's lives, but it's the constant, you know, it's like the yeah, the person who always will pick up your phone call in the middle of the night if you are on the side of the road and you have a flat tire, like call Natanya. She's on it.
SPEAKER_02She's on it. And you know what's and thank you so much for that. Obviously, it made me emotional. And sometimes it can also be hard to be that person too, because I am, I think people just assume, like, oh my gosh, Natasha, she's so strong, she can get through whatever. Like, she can't so a lot of people forget to check on me, right? Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00It's like that that thing that people say, like, check on your strongest friends. Like, they they need it. That's it, you know. And it is true. I think that's also why it was so hard for so many of us when you went through your divorce. Because it was like, Yes, you know, the man's name we shall never speak, but like and yeah, that double laugh. That was epic.
SPEAKER_02Also, just let's let's just uh bring up the fact that 30 years later we're still friends to the fact you come to my wedding, you know. Now I'm obvious for the listeners, I'm divorced now, and my boyfriend is Nate Richard, who like God could not have done any better if he had tried. It's like, okay, let's get rid of the biggest, like, what is the Taylor Swift song? The smallest man in the world. Let's get that guy out of here and bring you like the best man that's ever been. Oh, like one actual Harvey Kinkle. Okay, here you go. Because he is that in real life, too. It's insane, it's wild. But he's also Alec with the Swiffer and cleaning the house. It's I ve. I mean, it's like whatever. They're not funny.
SPEAKER_00They're not doing that. You're not seeing me. I'm not doing that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. At least someone's doing it. Yeah, correct.
SPEAKER_00Correct.
SPEAKER_02Thank you, Alec, and Nate. Yeah. He's probably swivering right now. No, he's like, he's washing the outside window.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he's gonna walk by the window.
SPEAKER_02Checking, I'm checking Instagram.
SPEAKER_00Such a no. Um, but I also think that that's such a good lesson because it's like when you're going through like this shit and you're like, this will make sense to me one day, you know, it's like now it totally makes sense to you. Like Sam has a way to like make space and yeah.
SPEAKER_02No matter how no matter how far down the scale we have gone, our experience can always benefit others. And I always knew that the situation with Sam would allow me the strength to go on to help other women through that situation because the truth is I was suicidal. I mean, you know, you we were on the phone every day. I got a text every day for months. How is today? How is today? How is it on you? Yeah, yes, over all of you guys, and um until you knew today was okay, and you didn't stop checking after that, but like when I think you guys all could feel when it was like, oh, I think today's okay, actually now, you know, it took a minute, but yeah, it was scary as it was really scary, and so not only were you there at the wedding and supporting through all of that, but then like through the entire divorce, and that's why it's just our our tr our life trajectory together has been so incredible. We've had there it's so unique to be like, oh yeah, we've been in two movies together, we've been best friends since we're kids, we did this together, we you know, she's the first person I called when I lost my virginity. First person I saw, you know, all the all the things, all the insecurities that I went through growing up on television and puberty and had coming to you crying, saying like they're so mean to me because of the red hair and this and that, and like you would come to me crying and saying, like, I, you know, they're making me wear midrifts and I'm not comfortable with it. You know, now we look back and we're like, excuse me, can we have them back? I'll take it. I'm comfortable now. Now I'm comfortable. Like, give me those abs and like those again. Like, I but back then cover it up, girl. Yeah, but I mean, and God, you're such a good actor that, like, you know, your confidence is palpable on screen. But because I knew what was going on behind the scenes, I knew how uncomfortable all of that was for you. Um, and you know, you are just not the RBF bad girl that everyone really thought you were in the 90s, you know. You're just that good of an actor.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and that's a big point of the podcast is we're actors. Yeah, we're not those characters. Like, is some of Natanya fused in with Robin? Sure, of course, and vice versa. But like, you know, we're Marlis Okolov and Natanya Ross and and real fully actualized human beings that have had to figure out who we are as humans, women, mothers, actors, artists, you know, and um yeah, to still be able to be connected in this way is really, really, really, really incredible. Um, okay, I have a couple more questions before we wrap up. Okay. And um, so I told you that you were the last call before I went into treatment. And it's interesting because one of my crep questions really was was there a moment when you knew that it had ri that, you know, basically what we just talked about, that like it had it had turned a little bit too much to where it's like, oh wow, I mean this I might have lost my best.
SPEAKER_00This is gonna upset you, okay?
SPEAKER_02That's okay. That's what this podcast is for, because it's gonna help somebody, even if it upsets me, it's okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think you always protected me from knowing what was really going on. And maybe it was you protecting yourself, but you did not want me to know.
SPEAKER_02I didn't.
SPEAKER_00But I found out, oh my god. I found out so much about what was going on with you at Blake's funeral.
SPEAKER_02What? Really?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I didn't know you guys lived out of your car, I didn't know you were arrested. Like, I didn't know any of that stuff. I knew things were Narlesburg, but I didn't know to like that extent until I like heard those stories, and I was like, oh my god. I didn't know.
SPEAKER_02And what's crazy is that like, and then just for the audience, real quick, so we're talking about Blake Heron. Um, that's uh, aside from Nate, the love of my life. Um, we were engaged for a while, we dated on and off since we were 13, and Marla hooked us up. She set us up and sent me a little 13-year-old picture of this beautiful little blonde boy that was just the most gorgeous thing you've ever seen in like an oversized leather jacket smoking a cig. And I'm like, I'll take that one, thank you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he was the epitome of cool.
SPEAKER_02He was the epitome of cool, he really was. Um, and um, yeah, so that so that's who we're talking about, and and he's a huge part of my story and my part of my unfortunately, my you know, um drug history, and we were together at that time. So, um, but what I was gonna say is what what Blake and I were so haunted about, like night after night after night, was we were just like, who do you who do you think knows? Who do you think's talking about it? Like, do you think this person knows? Do you think that person knows? Should we call this person? And like we knew some we knew like Tony and Donnie and Chris, we knew they knew, of course, but like my Marlas and the you know, I I had I was haunted my whole life until we reconnected. Um, of like, what do they think happened to me? You know? It was it was tough. And I think the reconnection between you and I as adults just happened incredibly organically and naturally, thank God, you know, and and I think at a certain point it became obvious that I was better and I was doing making different choices in my life, and I, you know, started a career working in treatment, you know, I was a different lady. And, you know, I was meant to be pulled away from you guys for that time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02If I hadn't been, you and I wouldn't be here right now.
SPEAKER_00I actually do agree with that, and I think, you know, it's bringing it back to like everything happens for a reason or you can learn from all of these things. It's like the thing that you kept from me is the thing that has connected us as adults because you've been able to help people in my life.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So that's true. Wow, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Right? I just came up with that in my head. And I'm like, wow, that's really interesting. Like the thing that you protected me from is your greatest asset. Really? I'm I I'm on the brink of tears this entire episode. I think we have to like up your Prozac dose. I take two minutes to dark Prozac.
SPEAKER_02I'm just on the well nutrient.
SPEAKER_00It's kind of like the No, no, it's all about the Prozac.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's like I wish I could cry.
SPEAKER_02I feel it inside, but it doesn't push it. I think I can with the Botox. I don't even know where it comes from. It's just like it wants to come out so bad. I just have a lot of feelings in my heart, really isn't it?
SPEAKER_00No, you're you've got a deep, deep, big heart.
SPEAKER_02I do. I have a deep big heart. I think sometimes people forget that even though people like you and I can present tough, you know. Alec has to clean the bedroom, so he's kind of like on Alec, get the get the fans, get the ceilings, get the top of the TV, get it all, baby. We appreciate you, we love you. Happy Father's Day. Good to see you.
SPEAKER_00Good to see you. I gotta get to cleaning.
SPEAKER_02Good good to see you. Good to see you. Shit, I'm right. What was I saying with my little perimenopausal brain? Something about, oh, with the protecting you. Yes, there was a handful of people in my life. You, Jenna, Larissa, um, you know, the the cast, obviously at Alex Mac. There was a certain point where I stopped letting them come with me to the Oakwood parties. Um, you know, uh yeah, it I um once I was really in it, I made the decision to make sure none of you guys would would ever see me either ever again or like that. And at that point, that was undetermined. That was up to God, you know. Thank you, you know, for making this decision. But that's yeah, if if there was anybody, any one person in my life that I would have not wanted to know the most, it would have been you without a doubt. Yeah, because we were sisters, yeah. And I also looked up to you so much, you know, and and and and I'm sure vice versa. And like in so many ways, like you taught me so many cool things, like you taught me about whole and silver chair and pearl jam. And I remember when I got this movie in Canada that I did with Chauncey, you and your mom took me the night before I left to Canada to the soup plantation because that was your favorite place. I hated it, but you love that place. You love that little chicken soup, and um, you made me a mix CD, and there were bands and songs on there that I had never heard of that ended up meaning so much to me, like Tool.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Tool. I was super into Tool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so it was Tool, Silver Chair, Toad the Wet's Brocket, probably oh, Smashing Pumpkins for sure, which is like the irony, because the Smashing Pumpkins tickets with the right? Didn't you try and like steal a boyfriend at a movie we did with some tickets to Smashing Pumpkins? I think Koki did. What a bitch.
SPEAKER_00Wow, that does sound familiar.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she's like, come on, I got smashing pumpkins tickets. Yeah, it's better on this side of the that's right. I got you the VIP, VIP tickets, babe. Okay, so last question. And what an interview this has been. I've barely gotten through any of the questions, and I knew it was gonna be like that because um a friendship like ours doesn't need written-out questions.
SPEAKER_00I think we need like a part two or something.
SPEAKER_02I would love a part two. I mean, I'll I'll take a part two anytime because we have some other stuff we need to talk about for sure. And I, you know, I the idea that I have for the part two is that when this episode comes out, I would love for the audience to write in and hear what questions you would want me to ask Marla. I love that idea. Yeah, what do you guys want to know from Marla? Because really the point of this podcast is about mental health. And the truth is that if you're an actor or if you're even a human being in today's world and you have a phone and you've opened your screen, you have seen something gruesome as an actor, you have been told something that is absolutely like just the most awful thing you've ever been told in your life. Like you're too fat, you're too ugly, you're too this, you're too that, whatever it might be, you know. And so for I feel like really like for our whole lives, we've kind of it's it's been battered into us like who we are, as opposed to us getting to really define that, you know. I know as an adult you've been able to do so. So I wanted to see if you could just tell us a little bit about kind of you've made a little bit of a transition in your career. I know the acting's not over, but there's this other thing happening that I am so proud of. I'm so proud of you for so many reasons. The number one will always be the kind of mom you are. I'm besides myself when I see all the like you know, surprising with the ticket. I'm like, I can't even watch sometimes because like yeah, of course you were gonna be the best mom. Of course you were. Thank you. Of course you were. So that's always number one. But like honestly, I think even more than acting, and you've you've done some pretty crazy roles. I think I'm more proud of the directing.
SPEAKER_00Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02Because as a woman, god damn, you must have had to fight so hard to even just be let to do the first one, whatever whichever one it was.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, listen, and I still do. It's still not easy. It's like the other day on the set, somebody had said to me, and I know he didn't mean it in a you know derogatory way, but he was like, I was like, what about you? Do you want to direct? You know, because I know that he's been interested in it. And he was like, Well, no, unfortunately, I don't check that box. And I was like, What box? He was like, the female box. So I don't check. I'm like, well, I don't really feel like I like check a box. Like, you know, like I guess sort of, but like that doesn't make it easier. It might make you, you might think it makes things easier, but actually it's like maybe five years ago it did, or six years ago, but now it's like out the window, you know?
SPEAKER_02Right, because may men will always just be directors, but women will always be a woman director. Oh, it's a female director, as opposed to it's a director.
SPEAKER_00Yes, it's just everybody thinks that's why you got the job.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00Like the box in a row, so now it's like, oh, we gotta have a woman.
SPEAKER_02Like, what's you know, and the box you check just happens to be that you're a really talented director. I've watched all I mean, obviously, you know, I'm your biggest fan. I've watched all the movies, they're so precious. I have no I I know a little bit about how movies are made only because I paid attention sometimes, but like for the most about how movies are. I'm just the talent, I'm just in front of the camera. I don't know how any of that shit works. I even told Nate, I'm like, how do I I'm scared? How do I film that? I don't know what to do.
SPEAKER_00No, you do know, and you've spent your entire life doing it, and that's actually what's so cool. It's like when I started directing, I wanted to learn all the every all the things. And so I started shadowing directors. Oh wow. You know more than you think you do because that's true, you know, and you're being like, Oh yeah, no, I know that. Of course I know that.
SPEAKER_02Because it's just I think for me doing it your whole life. Right. The pot, the pot, the podcast thing. I don't know what you even call it. Like hosting. I I'm not really sure what it is, but for me, that was my like wake up moment, revelation moment where I'm like, okay, this is a very different industry than when I was a kid. No one really gives that much of a fuck uh that it that Natanya Ross is still around. I mean, you know, I and that's not me putting myself down. That's just the reality. Yeah. Well, I don't think that's true, but I think thank you.
SPEAKER_00It is true that our business is like uh beyond totally different. Like it's like not even. I did my first self-tape the other day.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I was awful, I'm sure, but I was just like, wow, this is so I decided to start try and start acting again, but then I thought about it and I was like, I'm a like at this age in my life, I think I'm a storyteller. I think I have a lot of stories to tell that need to be told that will really help people. And if that leads back into acting, great, do I still have it in me? Of course. We we always got it, but you're like, do I want to be self-taping myself every day and like hustling and right and then like having to look at every single line on the face and like put myself through all of that? No, I you know It's funny.
SPEAKER_00I played a small part in the movie I just did with China.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I saw that.
SPEAKER_00And you're so cute checking your little but what's not cute, which I'll send to you later, oh boy, are the because I have as the director, I have to watch everything after move on. And all I could see was like I need a facelift. Like I was like, I have this one like hangy eye, but it's not really like bluff territory, it's more like if I get a brow lift, it goes away. And so I was like doing this, and I get it. To the group chat, like my girlfriends. I was like, look at my fucking face. Like, I think time it's time. It's either like I need to never be in front of a camera again, or I need to go to the plastic surgeon immediately.
SPEAKER_02You're what you're literally perfect, you're like half of the world's first crush and still crush. You're one of the most beautiful girls, but I get it. And I deal with the same shit, you know. I am in a constant like identity plastic surgery crisis. Do I, should I, shouldn't I? I have I'm really open about all the shit I've done. I just think that um there's so many people that are so not transparent about the work they have done. I hate that. I do too, and I think it's really unfair. I'm turn I cannot believe this. I'm I'm gonna be 45 on my next can you believe that we're at that age?
SPEAKER_00Also, I'm I'm a year or what, ten months older than you.
SPEAKER_02I know.
SPEAKER_00You're already Oh, or no.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02No, you're you're you're one year older.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Remember because I lied on Babysitter's Club?
SPEAKER_00I know I'm one year older, but your birthday's in October and mine's in December. So give me those few months, please.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah. You you're like seven months old.
SPEAKER_00I would appreciate that.
SPEAKER_02Barely older than a couple of years.
SPEAKER_00It's not a year, technically, okay.
SPEAKER_02It's like five seconds older than you. Chill out.
SPEAKER_00Um but yeah, no, I can't believe we're like, what?
SPEAKER_02Absolutely insane. So, you know, at 45, it's like, okay, we're entering, not we, I'm entering back into the entertainment industry. Uh, I've already got, you know, listen, my inbox's messages are pretty nice for the most part. I'd say 75% of the comments, the D all of it is incredible. You're my icon, you're all of this. And then, you know, I'll get uh the people that are like, wow, you have an entirely new face from the 90s. There's something has happened in this generation where people sit behind a little screen and they're like, ooh, you're ugly, or ooh, you're beautiful, or whatever it is, and it makes them feel something that they're not feeling.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Right? And that was another thing with this podcast is I woke up and I was like, I don't fucking need permission from anybody to get online and tell stories with my friends in hopes that it might help somebody else, you know, because there is somebody out there listening to our episode right now, Marla, that's hearing all of the stuff we've been through in the 90s and hearing some of the real realness about all of it. And I guarantee you it helps them to today, hopefully tomorrow and the day after, you know, to hear that we were so insecure as like young women, a hundred percent. The babysitters club was the first movie I ever did where they allowed me to be pretty, even. You know, like I was always dressed down, in dressed into the nerd, the goth, the email, whatever it was. So for me, babysitters club was actually like an incomplete thing, because uh minus the pigtails and the shit. I hated like it was the first time I got to like have this makeup and this beautiful red hair and these little outfits and uh little short skirts, and as opposed to Robin on Alex Mac, who was you know not supposed not really written as a as the pretty girl, yeah, you know, right? And that was tough for me in my in my career too. Do you f I mean I'm sure you've been asked this so many times and I I don't even know what the answer you would say is, but do you feel like you were typecast in the nineties?
SPEAKER_00I know that's a dumb everyone else seems to think I was typecast. I don't know. I don't I know, it's weird. I don't.
SPEAKER_02Is it just because I know you better and I know your career more?
SPEAKER_00I can't, it's it's the number one question. Actually, the number two. Number one was, did you really smoke? And then number two is they were I know why were you always the bad girl? Like, why were you typecast as the bad girl?
SPEAKER_02What's your answer? I was.
SPEAKER_00I played a lot of bad girl parts, but I also like didn't.
SPEAKER_02You know, there was a yeah. You weren't a bad girl on the practice.
SPEAKER_00No, or in whatever it takes, you know.
SPEAKER_02Or whatever it takes, you were the little sweetie girl that just had a crush.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02She was just a girl that liked a boy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I don't.
SPEAKER_02You know what it is? It's because it I think it's because some because there were a handful of them, and they just they happened to be really, really the iconic things. Like sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they were bigger.
SPEAKER_02Babysitters club, full house. You know, they were the really, really, they were all really big, but those like in specific, and I think people, you know, just held on to that and remembered it. And yeah, you know, but you had a great redemption arc on Fuller House.
SPEAKER_00Totally. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Minus the vaping thing.
SPEAKER_00What was that about? It was so well, I don't know. It was like they let me vape for like an episode, and then suddenly she was like kind of normal. But the funniest thing about that on Fuller House, they like pivoted, and I was kind of like better friends with DJ. And we were always like Jody and I were always like, What's going on? DJ and Gia, like, why do they have all this interaction? Like, we want Stephanie and Gia. That's that is so funny. Never explained.
SPEAKER_02Do you remember when you got the call that you were gonna be going back on Full House? I'm gonna call it Full House because yeah, this I have to hear because I have to hear it.
SPEAKER_00It was an email from Jeff Franklin, who is the creator of the show. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and he was Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. So you open your email and you see an email and it just says from Jeff Franklin.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I would have literally shit my entire outfit.
SPEAKER_00I knew that Fuller House was gonna be a show.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00And he said, I just want to let you know we're doing full house, Fuller House. Gia is not on the first season, so like don't get upset, but we're not asking you back, but we're gonna have you back on if it gets picked up. So I was like, okay, that's cool. Oh, because literally everybody would ask me, Are you gonna be on Fuller House? Are you gonna be on Fuller?
SPEAKER_02Wait, you weren't on the first season?
SPEAKER_00No. Mm-mm.
SPEAKER_02Okay. All right.
SPEAKER_00And so yeah, that was funny.
SPEAKER_02He brought you back.
SPEAKER_00He did. Yeah, he brought me back.
SPEAKER_02Wow. That's really beautiful. I know. So so what was that like when you got so when you got brought back to you got brought back as recurring?
SPEAKER_00I didn't think it was just one episode, and then they kind of just But you were like in every one. I did a bunch. I think they would just kind of call and you know, yeah on an ad neat as needed basis. And you'd show up. But the cool thing was is everybody had already been on the show for a year, so they had already had that experience of like showing up on the same stage, you know, same dressing rooms, same set, and I was like weirding out, and everybody was like already over it, you know? Yeah, well, yeah, because you walked into like uh the 90s, literally, and also friends filmed on that same stage, and so I did that episode of Friends too. So I'm like, that was Jennifer Anniston's dressing room.
SPEAKER_02Was that full house back in the day as well? Same sh that is weird.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they got the exact same stage at Warner Brothers.
SPEAKER_02That's very unique. Yeah, I don't think a lot of people maybe knew that. That's so cool. That's really, really special. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. I had no idea. Yeah. So then, so then you go back on the show and it I mean it gets successful pretty quick.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. I mean, people were craving for that show to come back, and it was such a surreal experience to be at those tapings because there were people our age, you know, coming with their children or whatever, and and crying and being so emotional was such a big part of their lives.
SPEAKER_02And then also, you know, uh I get so emotional when we talk about stuff like this too, because I don't know if you saw, but they announced that Sabrina, the teenage witch, is doing a 30-year reunion. Oh, which is insane. And they're doing it, uh, get your tickets now. They're doing it like June 15th in Boston or something like that. The I don't know, the tickets are somewhere on Melissa or Nate's page somewhere, but it's like kind of it's like a show. It's like uh they're acting it out. Exactly, exactly. And um, I was like, wow, to to get to go back with your 90s family and run it back like that one more time is so fucking cool. It is so special. We for years we were shopping the Alex Macroo like to every to anyone that would listen to us, we you know, the creators of the show, Amazon, Prime, anyone, and it looked like it was gonna go for a minute and then it didn't. And I thought, you know, it made me realize because we've had to watch all of our friends, colleagues, all of these people's stuff come back, right? And like, you know, I I think it would be uh not human of me to say that like I haven't had feelings about that at times where I've had a pang of like you know, like it just it is what it is. But I'm I'm such a deep believer in like everything in the universe happens exactly as it's supposed to happen. That like if for some reason I had been pulled back to this is a crazy one, if I had been pulled back to do the Alex Macarie boo three years ago or whatever it was, that maybe like I don't know, the couple hundreds of people that I've talked to in the last couple years, some of your people, you know what I mean? I might not have been around to do that.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_02So it's it's an interesting, it's an interesting way to think about it. I've had to really get there because you know better than anybody the the um just having been a child performer, how that will um how that will haunt you in ways, and also um without you are completely like defenseless to it, it will also identify you for the rest of your life. It just will, you know.
SPEAKER_00It will, but I also think But not a full identity. No, I think with age, uh one of the things that I've worked really hard on is just not letting it be my identity, right? That's a good point. That can't be what makes me happy.
SPEAKER_02That's a good point.
SPEAKER_00Or it can't dictate my happiness, rather.
SPEAKER_02Right. And I think so many people expect us to still be those those characters or you know, not like mean girls or anything like that, but just you know, um, and and gosh, uh everything we've ever played, except for me with Robin, maybe a little bit, and I'm sure there's a few for you, couldn't have been different from who I am in real life. They really could not have been different. So just such an interesting dichotomy of like growing up on television during pubert puberty. I have a uh stutter now because of perimenopause. Did I yeah?
SPEAKER_00Are you joking?
SPEAKER_02No, I'm being dead serious, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a thing.
SPEAKER_02I have so I my ears, like I cannot get I cannot itch them enough.
SPEAKER_00No, I get that. I get the itchy ears. Okay. My doctor gave me some drops for them that I could send you a picture of it. I'd love it. Another one I heard is if you put flonese on a cube and then very lightly put it in, the helps. I haven't tried that one yet, though.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so the itchy ear canals, that's like wild. Um, and then a stutter. I've just developed like a a little stutter every so often. It's the weirdest thing.
SPEAKER_00I think you're short-circuiting and you can't like think you're not.
SPEAKER_02I'll be in the middle of a sentence and forget what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00That I don't like. I I I'm like I definitely feel dumber.
SPEAKER_02Me too. I definitely feel dumber too. Okay, I'm gonna ask you our very last question. I ask it to all of the guests um because I want to get your take on it. So obviously, I've named this podcast, We're still here, babe. What does that mean to you? Like when we say like we're still here.
SPEAKER_00Um, okay, what does that mean to me? I feel like when I think of it in the context of you naming your show that, I think that people think that you don't have a presence anymore.
SPEAKER_01That I'm dead. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Or that you're doing something else with your life, but you're like, no, I'm still here hustling and grinding, and that's that's what it means to me.
SPEAKER_02I love you so much. I love you. Thank you for doing this. Thanks for having me on. I I tried to get you as the very first, but you're just a busy lady. So and it's okay. God bless. God bless for the busyness. I'm so so incredibly proud. Please tell us just about like the last couple movies we can go watch that you directed, where we can stream them, what's going on right now, and then where we can find you, of course.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, it's been a minute. I uh, you know, the this last year was a little bit slow for me. So this was the first one that I directed. I've been doing pretty much um all writing, which has been great for me to be able to be at home with the kids and pick them up from school and do all that. So that's kind of been um my main thing, writing and directing.
SPEAKER_02This last one I did was actually with Jody Sweeton, which was I've been seeing so incredible, and John, which is so crazy. And I don't know if you know, but I actually did a movie with Jody and John also. Sub it. It's it was Jodie's short film that she wrote. Yeah. Oh my god, that's so cool.
SPEAKER_01I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And so that's so special that you guys get to do that as adults. Wow. And what's that called?
SPEAKER_00That is called Finding Hope.
SPEAKER_02Finding hope. I love that name.
SPEAKER_00Finding hope.
SPEAKER_02That's what you're directing right now, currently. Yes. And when can we expect to see that?
SPEAKER_00I think it should be out like in the fall. It's gonna be a like a streaming situation, but I'll so excited.
SPEAKER_02But there were two other ones that came out semi-recently that we can all go back and watch. So what are those?
SPEAKER_00Let's see. The Merry Gentleman. Oh, The Merry Gentleman, yep. I I wrote that one. I didn't get to direct it, but I did write it in a minute. And you're in it, and you sing in it. No, I don't sing in that one.
SPEAKER_02That uh that's a different one.
SPEAKER_00That's a different one that I sang in. Um, I and I cannot, I'm blinking. My my brain is not remembering what that one's called.
SPEAKER_02And we could also go on IMDB and look at all the movies Marla has directed and watch them that way too, because she has directed quite a few and they're all incredible. And last thing, here's one thing about Marla that you guys might not know. Oh, is that Marla was in a band when we were growing up? Marla knows how to play a guitar and a bass, if I'm not mistaken. And she's an incredible singer, and she has written an album, and she used to do all these cute little shows around LA at these like very hip little coffee shows.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I used to play like the Viper Room.
SPEAKER_02The Viper Room, she was very cool shows. Sometimes they were like like very private guest lists. Sometimes it was like open to all. But the sweetest thing about Marla is even with all of the talent you have, all of like your friends in there just so excited for you, you were still so nervous. You know, you still were just wanted to do such a good job for all your people. You want all your people to to you know feel what you felt. And I I remembered that so specifically about that show. And that's that's really who you are.
SPEAKER_00You know, that's who you are. Yeah, yeah. I think that's kind of why I kind of stopped playing life because my nerves were so bad.
SPEAKER_02Well, maybe it's time for another album, babe. I don't know. Let's see. Maybe I just stirred a little something up here and we're still here, babe.
SPEAKER_01I don't know, maybe.
SPEAKER_02All right, my love. Well, thank you. I love you so much. I love you so much.