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Amy Fredericksen joins host Steve Francisco to discuss the August 11 primary election results and what to expect in the November 3 general election. After serving as a Republican state senator from 2005 to 2013, including as the first woman majority leader, Amy has developed a keen political sense and is a regular political analyst on WCCO TV. She explains why she believes that Republican voters' choices of Lisa DeMuth for governor and Michele Tafoya for U.S. Senate put Republicans in the best position to win statewide office for the first time in twenty years. But DeMuth and Tafoya will be running against two strong DFL candidates, Amy Klobuchar for governor and Peggy Flanagan for U.S. Senate. Amy shares her thoughts about how the fraud scandals may help Republican candidates and how the affordability crisis and the trauma of ICE Operation Metro Surge may help DFL candidates moving toward November.
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Access to Democracy. I'm your host, Steve Francisco. Thank you for taking part of your day to join us. Our program is sponsored by True Stone Financial, the Sheridan and Dulos Law Firm, the 45th Parallel Distillery, and Recalibra Health. We have a very special guest making her second appearance on our program and my first time interviewing her. You may recognize her from her numerous appearances on WCCO Sunday mornings and other news programs. She is Amy Frederickson. She was the first woman ever to serve as majority leader in the Minnesota Senate. She served as a Republican state senator from 2005 to 2013 and led her caucus to a majority in 2010 when they flipped 16 seats. Quite an accomplishment. Also, I found it very interesting. You are a former Russian linguist in the U.S. Air Force.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I did. I worked at the NFT.
SPEAKER_02Don't speak too much Russian, or we'll have to get a translator.
SPEAKER_01I was assigned to the National Security Agency.
SPEAKER_02And we should mention that you teach at the Humphrey School of Public Affairs as well. Amy Frederickson, thank you for coming on Access to Democracy. We wanted to invite you on today because obviously in Minnesota, we have just had the August 11th primary election, which determine who the final candidates will be on the November ballot. If you would give us very briefly your top two or three headlines from the 2026 primary election.
SPEAKER_01This time there were big races for the governors for Republicans and a big race for the U.S. Senate for the Democrats. Amy Clobichar was contested, but really not much of one, right? And Michelle Tafoya for the GOP U.S. Senate was running away very early in the polls with it. But still, big news. For uh the GOP, the other top line is um the two candidates that won for the first time in the decades that I've been involved in politics were not the party endorsed candidates. So each party has a cock uh has a convention and they endorse. And the Democrats have very long ago, uh Governor Dayton was not endorsed, for example. Governor Walls was not endorsed uh in his first run. Um and so the Democrats have not always abided. That's what the primary is for, right? All the Democrats get to come out and vote. But for the Republicans, even in 2018, when former Governor Palency, Eganite himself, uh ran, uh he did not win the primary because and he did not, he was not the endorsed candidate, the endorsed candidate won. This time, not only did you have Michelle Tefoya, who did not have the party endorsement, win the U.S. Senate race, but Lisa Damath, who was also not endorsed by the party, uh won handily, both of them the primary. Um, in addition, a big news for Lisa Damath and a big kind of like dragonslayer, she did not have President Trump's endorsement. Mike Lindell had that. And she is in rarefied air amongst candidates in a GOP primary that did not have the president's endorsement and won. There is uh literally, count them on one hand, uh, basically, uh, of top candidates like that that did not have the president's endorsement that won.
SPEAKER_02Let me ask you, were you frankly surprised that uh Lisa Damath won this primary?
SPEAKER_01No, I uh no, I think that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_02This was the president and endorsing Mike Lindell?
SPEAKER_01It right, it was my prediction that she was, and we were seeing polling moving in that direction. And I also know Lisa, and I know, and I'll kind of get to this. I also think, by the way, the best candidates of the night won um on both sides. Um but um but you know, Mike Lindell was uh a bit of a he was a flawed candidate, I think. And I think I think that the president came out and endorsed um in a way because based on sort of the 2020 election, and Lindell was such a supporter of his claims around the 2020 election uh, you know, fraud, which neither of them have produced any evidence of that, but okay. Um and so I think that was the main reason he did that. Um and um and I th I thought it was a mistake at the time. I was like, oh, there's gonna be more at play. Um and also, you know, you're in the final couple years now of the President Trump's administration, uh, his approval ratings are lower than uh so maybe the Trump endorsement doesn't necessarily carry the swag that it used to, or as much weight as it used to. As much. And also in Minnesota, Republicans and Democrats alike. President Trump, the first time he ran in 2016, um, came in a deep third. Well, he came in a deep third in the Minnesota caucuses, in the GOP caucuses. Um, it was Marco Rubio that won, and then I think maybe Rick Centorum or somebody was second. Uh maybe, yeah, I think it was that was the first run. Anyway, so the point is that like Minnesota Republicans always are sort of independent, but they they used to be the independent Republicans, that used to be their name. And they haven't always gone the way of the national, you know, despite having a lot of power. Yeah, despite him sort of garnering more power over the last years of the president.
SPEAKER_02I want to ask you about that because of the fact that these two top marquee races that the unendorsed candidates ended up winning the primary on the Republican side. Some people have raised the question whether or not the endorsements, and actually this may there's a debate among DFLers about this as well. Is there value in the parties having conventions and endorsements when it goes to the voters and you have a larger number of people participating, obviously, in a primary election? A very small fraction of activists on both the Democratic side and Republican side are participating in endorsing conventions. What do you think of that? Do you think there'll be an effort maybe to do away with primaries, or we're still going to have them?
SPEAKER_01Or with endorsements. Right. So with endorsements are the primary itself is a small subset, right? They're about 20 to 25 percent of the government.
SPEAKER_02This one was about, was it 18 percent of the city? Yeah, about 18.
SPEAKER_01So that's already a small group deciding. But when you're talking about the endorsement, you're talking about 1,500 to 2,000 Republicans or Democrats from around the state. So here's the deal. I think there's value in having a convention. Uh the thing, and I used to be a big endorsement person. I I received the endorsement every single time, right, for my party. Um, and I and and I I think there was a time where the it just it feels like a couple things. It feels like the process could was easy is with such a small uh subset of people, was much more easily manipulated, especially in this day and age with social media. Um, and also um the things I liked about the convention are getting together as a like-minded community, right? Talking about policy issues, talking about like principles of a party. Um, all of that can still happen at a convention, but to have just a handful of people decide for all Minnesota Republicans, you know, and you, and by the way, to get to the state convention to make that decision, you have to go through multiple layers of party conventions to get elected, and then you have to, you know, spend a good amount of money to go to the convention and stay overnight. And it's it's just seemed it's it's it's pretty insider-y. It's not necessarily like the rich and powerful, but it's very and some people make the same argument on the DFL side.
SPEAKER_02The same thing is true. You go through the layers, yeah. And we will be right back in just a moment after a word from our sponsors with our guest today, Amy Frederickson.
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SPEAKER_02And we are back with our guest today, Amy Frederickson. Um, I want to ask you um uh about Mike Lindell because he is not accepting the results of this gubernatorial primary. It's kind of surprising because the margin was not close, nowhere near close enough to mandate an automatic recount under state law. My understanding is he's gonna spend over eight hundred thousand dollars to pay for a recount in the Republican gubernatorial uh primary. Your thoughts about that choice?
SPEAKER_01Well, I I think the state of Minnesota should get their check ahead before they start that recount. That's my first thought.
SPEAKER_02Make sure it doesn't bounce.
SPEAKER_01Make sure that that like get the money up front. Second of all, I just think a couple things. I think that it reveals a lot more about Mike Lindell and why he ran. Because if you ran to promote party principles or conservative principles, you wouldn't you would step aside. Angie Craig fought a bruising battle with lots of money. And that night she stepped up and said, Peggy Flanagan's over, it's over, it's done, Peggy Flanagan.
SPEAKER_02Gave a full endorsement to Peggy Flanagan.
SPEAKER_01And as you said, this was a double-digit win for Lisa Damath. It wasn't a hundred votes, it was thousands of votes. Second of all, you right, like, did you did you run because of Minnesota? Because again, again, you wouldn't drag Minnesota through a recount that's not going to yield the results you want. You're not gonna call out elections and and cast aspersions and doubt on that sacred institution unless you have deep proof. You so like, so why did you run?
SPEAKER_02If it wasn't for conservative principles and it wasn't for the state of Minnesota, then I have to come down to you, you just ran because for yourself and for your own, you know, interest, and that's unfortunate to me and not helpful to the let's turn our attention, if we could, for a moment to that DFL Senate race, hotly contested the incumbent congresswoman right here in the 2nd Congressional District, Angie Craig, barely won Dakota County and did not do in do did not do that well in her own congressional district. There was an expectation among many Democrats that she would do much better in greater Minnesota and in smaller towns. But Peggy Flanagan's victory seemed to have been across the board uh in many ways, and she racked up what a about a 20% margin in the primary. But as you point out, Angie Craig was quick to endorse her. How do you think this is going to shake out as we move toward the uh election between Michelle Tefoya, who is going to be the Republican candidate, and Peggy Flanagan, who is the DFL and uh endorsed candidate for the U.S. Senate? What do you expect to see in that race in terms of outside money, outside influence coming into this Minnesota race?
SPEAKER_01Well, so uh first I want to say that obviously Peggy Flanagan's team was all over this, right? And you have to give game, game recognizes game. There's no way to ignore the fact that they ran the better race. Um and um and then on the on the Tefoya side, you would have to say the same. Um both of them will come in with big name ID. There is going to be so much money spent in this race because the US Senate makeup is is now in part running through Minnesota, which it has not in the past. The Chuck Schumer, the DM, the Democrat uh leader, has not had to worry about Minnesota for many years. And conversely, uh Republicans, John Thune and the Republicans, have not had a shot in Minnesota. They have not had good candidates on the ballot. It has been, it has been, it has been not even flyover state for them, right? There's like, why are we, we wouldn't spend a penny. They don't spend a penny. Now both sides are gonna come in with a whole lot of money. So people get ready for the TV ads.
SPEAKER_02And on the Democratic side, there's no way that uh the Democrats uh have a shot at taking a Senate majority if they don't hold the Minnesota seat, if Flanagan doesn't work.
SPEAKER_01No, very no way, right? They're 50-50 holding this seat, and so so it opens up the map for republic. So so that's the first thing on that. But and also I think the teams just ran a bit of race. And and I had the strong candidate, right? But also, uh, you pointed out, even here in her own district, Angie Craig needed to do better. Um and she, and you know, uh when I was seeing it was almost like 50-50 split. And then as you said, actually Peggy Flanagan did a little better. I I think in a in a seat where Angie Craig won the last time by 14 points, Angie Craig made a seat that was pink to light blue, deeply blue, because of who she was. I think that also bitter. Because to win that and take a vote like the Lake and Riley vote, which then was really used against her early by the Flanagan campaign and tying it to Metro surge, um, that she never really recovered from that. She never really recovered.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, even though she apologized and said she thought she made a mistake on that vote. Um, I guess the candor didn't get you get you points on that. No, didn't get you the vote. But what does that say about this larger issue in the general election about the anger? Many people have noticed that it seems the DFL base was highly motivated by residual anger over Operation Metro Surge, which the name of it even is a bit of a misnomer because it was not just ICE activity in Minneapolis and St. Paul in the Metro, it extended to Worthington, Albert Lee, St. Cloud, other cities around the state of Minnesota too. And it seems there was this tremendous groundswell of anger. Wouldn't you agree?
SPEAKER_01I would agree. And I'm glad you brought that up because it was one of the other things I was thinking about that, and something I talked about leading up to this. Um, I think a lot of folks had picked Angie Craig, and I had actually said I think Flanagan's gonna pull it out, and here's why. And as you said, it was Wilmer, it was Austin, it was there were other parts of the state where 3,000 federal ICE agents and border patrol came into and caused a real chaos, right? Like wherever wherever you believe it. I I I believe there's an absolute need and place for ice. Um, I would I would support that 100%. I do not want folks here legally, I want to hear people here that are we know are here and are here safely. Like all of those things that you know Republicans uh believe. And also that that doesn't change the fact that that was a disastrous, chaotic, and in the end deadly operation.
SPEAKER_02Well, we lost Alex Predi and Renee Good, who were immediately branded by the administration officials, particularly the Attorney General Pam Bondi, and by um uh Greg Bovino as domestic terrorists. Right. Um we now realize, actually, people realize pretty quickly when they saw the videos that was not the case. And then you have this peculiar issue of what for a long time was non-cooperation, unprecedented non-cooperation between federal authorities and the Department of Justice and local prosecutors here in the state of Minnesota. That's right.
SPEAKER_01You and and also interesting, you saw that even with ICE. So um we work with the city of Brooklyn Park, and of course, there was a lot of activity in Brooklyn Park. The police chief there was very open about it. He said there's a necessity for ICE. ICE has been in Brooklyn Park for years and years and years and have worked in concert with local law enforcement. But when he called his folks in ICE that he knew, um, uh particularly around an incident involving one of his officers who was off going to work and was pulled over uh by four different cars. They they surrounded her. She was, of course, very nervous because her sidearm was in the car, and she just kept saying, I'm I'm a law enforcement, I'm a cop. And then when he called his the folks in ICE to say, What is going on? Who are these guys? I want to know who they are. I want to I want to like their badges, basically. Like, I'm gonna call, I'm gonna call he was told, we don't know who they are, we have no way of knowing who they are. So, so there's just no doubt that that was a disaster.
SPEAKER_02Now, so this issue as you see it is still gonna be a salient issue as we approach the November election. I think, I think, and so at least on the Democratic side, but I suspect there may be independent voters who were very disturbed by what happened here as well.
SPEAKER_01For sure. And then you combine that with low approval by the president, right? This is gonna be a tough year for Republicans. It always is in the interim elections for a president who is especially on their second term. Right. And this president is dealing with higher than gas, higher gas prices than when he was elected, right? He rode into town on egg and gas prices over Joe Biden, and rightfully so. And we're higher priced now. So that's gonna be an issue. The Iranian conflict that has just seems to have kind of a meandering wire. Like, again, I support we should never have a nuclear, I'm I support going into Iran. I support an aggressive approach. We don't seem to have an end game here, we don't seem to have a strategy.
SPEAKER_02And we're in a worse position now because the Iranians seem to really have the say about who's controlling the Strait of Hormuz. We empower. Which was not the case before February 28th when this war began.
SPEAKER_01If the negotiation comes out of this that, okay, now they control it and we pay a fee and it's open, that's a loss. That's a loss. And you have empowered other folks because look at China saber rattling around the Strait of Taiwan. We may pay the price of the Iranian war in the Strait of Taiwan. Like there is a lot of stuff going on. Never mind what's happening to our military, who are you, as you mentioned, I am Air Force, so this is deeply, deeply to the heart of me. Um, that you have had sailors on the USS Abraham Lincoln for the longest stint ever. And then when asked about it, the president had a very callous remark where he said, uh, it's not been long enough.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Are you listening you're the community?
SPEAKER_02Also, the the fact that uh we now have the USS George Washington has come to the relief of the Abraham Lincoln that's gonna go home to its port in California, I believe San Diego. But I heard on TV the other day, it was reported that now that leaves us with really no aircraft carrier in the Pacific, that all of our aircraft carriers are gonna be in the Atlantic or in the Mediterranean or the Indian Ocean. And here we have this issue with Taiwan. We see the president reaching out, inexplicably to me, reaching out to Kim Jong-un and uh cutting short these annual South Korean uh military exercises that the United States has done for decades with one of our key allies. Do you think that foreign policy, the war in this is going to be a big factor in how Minnesotans vote in November, too?
SPEAKER_01Yes, I do. Now, you know, and up to this point, I think the Trump administration has actually had really good foreign policy from my perspective. I think how they handled Ukraine and even in Israel and Gaza, I think that he's taken a different approach. Uh, Venezuela, I think, was a tremendous success. And I think that there was some hubris around Iran and a lack of, and and now what is happening is Beijing, Pyongyang, and Moscow are watching everything that we do. And this, they don't look, they are not looking at right. We have been burning through missiles, very expensive, hard to replace missiles, right? Can we do it? Are we are we the strongest nation in the world still? Of course we are. Are we strong enough to defeat Iran? Of course we are. But we also have to think about worldwide the impact that it's having on other folks that would happily do us harm. And knowing what I know as a Russian, former Russian linguist, they're looking for patterns. They're watching troop movements, they're watching where the where George Washington is. They are watching everything and every move we're making. And the dissentions are.
SPEAKER_02And you know who else is watching everything? Our allies in Asia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, other countries. All of Europe? All of Europe, all of NATO. Yeah, this is very concerning. So what is that? If we can shift our focus back to Minnesota, I'd like to talk about a couple of the other races. There's a very interesting race developing for Attorney General. Keith Ellison is seeking re-election. He had a fairly close contest the last time he was elected. This time he's actually running against Ron Schutz, a f ex-army uh trial lawyer, actually, one of my law school classmates, uh U of M, I know Ron from way back. But he's challenging Keith Ellison. How do you see this race for attorney general in Minnesota?
SPEAKER_01So um, this is this is always and right, uh Keith Ellison has had a close race both times, but last time it wasn't just sort of close, it was 0.8%. It was less than 1%. In a year when other Democrats did much better. So, for example, uh the governor's race was an eight point race, and this was a 0.8%, 0.8% race. Um it's just a tough road for Attorney General Ellison's. Statewide, it just always has been. He's very progressive, former head of the party. Um, you know, he's a Minneapolis guy, so it's it's always gonna be more difficult for him. Now you couple it, and this is where I say a caveat to all of the discussion about Metro Surge and the economy. Sometimes there's a local issue that rises up in an area that overshadows some of the noise around the federal, um, around federal. Usually fed federal issues drive an election. And I don't think that I think it will here to a point, but the fraud issue in this state has been billions of dollars of taxpayer money intended to feed hungry kids, to help kids with autism, to help homeless folks that has been straight stolen. We still don't have an accounting of how much. We have no idea, even the mut the small amount that they have been able to prosecute, which has been pathetic, has not most of it has not been recovered. I think they prosecuted about 38 million. They've recovered something around 3 million. Um, so the and and by the way, and both Governor Walls, who stepped down and did not run for, he was running for a third term and can't and closed his uh re-election bid because of the fraud. Now, this was right before Metro Surge it, but still uh did, and and Attorney General Ellison are really getting hammered with this. It also will be a factor for Lieutenant Governor Flanagan, who was deeply, deeply involved for the first six years of the Wallace Flanagan administration. And I think the question is gonna be what were you doing? And they don't want to hear about things you did last year with the legislature. They want to know what were you doing for six years?
SPEAKER_02This is fair enough. Uh, but I want to ask you about a series that the Star Tribune ran a few weeks back. I'm sure you saw it. They were looking at this fraud issue. There's no question that mistakes were made, people need to be held accountable here. But the Star Tribune article pointed out that going back many years, the state's database and their way of monitoring money going out to various programs was ripe for fraudsters to take advantage of it. Is it really fair to put all that on one person on Tim Waltz, or is there actually some shared responsibility? The governor, his officials in the administration, but also the legislature that did not keep our data systems up to date?
SPEAKER_01Well, look, yes, and all I mean, we know we're we started seeing some fraud and particularly um a couple programs in 2018 under Governor Dayton. Like there started to be hearings and people kind of hushed that because of for frankly, there is political overtones to this as well that people don't really, I mean, some people talk about, but the facts are there just were. Um, and they were prevalent even in 2018. And still, if Governor Walls were in his first year, even his first term, you might say, well, he was inherited some mess. No, he has been there a very long time. And there is there's it's not only that he can't be held responsible, but but when it started to come out in 2021, remember we have been this has been on the front and center with feeding our future since 2021. We have never had an like an admission that something was terribly wrong. We never had an accounting for the dollars. And so at some point, you just have to say, you knew. You knew and you knew it was big.
SPEAKER_02This is an issue that should concern everybody. It doesn't matter whether you're Republican, Democrat, independent, apolitical. The fact that public money has been diverted illegally, which means it didn't go to the people it was supposed to help. That's Medicaid assistance that didn't go to people who needed it, people with disabilities, children, nutrition programs that didn't go to kids who were hungry. So it's an issue that I think voters are going to be holding people accountable for.
SPEAKER_01It's so right. It doesn't matter. And the polls show that independents and moderate Democrats are supporting Republicans on the issue of fraud. Um, because of that, right? You don't I always and I always think for the Republicans, both should be talked about, like right, like the misuse of taxpayer dollars is egregious, and people pay in a lot. That is money that is now not in their pub in their families' wallets to the state government. And then you they say, trust us. And so that is egregious. But also, as you said, things are tough out there, right? Like food insecurity, the cost of food, the cost of gas. Families are struggling to pay mortgages, never mind child care or additional services for their autistic child, or maybe to afford their school lunches, and they need that help. And those those folks basically you took that money right out of their mouths and out of their pockets as well.
SPEAKER_02Um, Amy, let's talk real quickly about a couple of other congressional races. Yes. Obviously, right, we're here in Egan in the second district. Angie Craig is going to be leaving her seat. It's going to be between Matt Little, former mayor of Lakeville, former state senator on the DFL side, and incumbent Republican Senator Eric Pratt. How did what's your take on the race here in the second CD?
SPEAKER_01Well, so it's the only really hot congressional race in the I mean there's some talk of one. Yeah, I'm hearing that. And I think that's not, I think there's something there. But CD2 is like seen as like the it's a kind of a plus one or plus two Republican or Democrat, but it's a very much a swing seat. Angie Craig made it solidly blue. Um, but but that's not the case. And now it's an empty seat. And also, um, you know, um Matt Little tapped into and went a little further left than even like his time in this U in the state senate to kind of win that primary pretty overwhelmingly. So you have to look at that operation, but then you also have to look at Senator Pratt. He is a strong candidate from the district, a financial background. He fits the district really well. He came from the Senate, he came from a school board, so he's got a ton of education chops. Um, and and you know, he's he's just been a really strong sort of CD2.
SPEAKER_02So you think it'll be a really close contest?
SPEAKER_01Uh well again, I think it a little bit of this is gonna be you know covered by the federal stuff, but I think who's gonna have the ground game?
SPEAKER_02Who's gonna be able to turn out their vote?
SPEAKER_01And that is the game in CD2, right? Um, and of course, I always say is it's three minutes three months out, which doesn't seem like a very long time to the election. That's a lifetime. It's a lifetime, especially these days, right? That every other as I said, Governor Walls steps out of his race like the week that Metro Surge exploded, right? Like because Republicans were gonna win everything and gonna beat him handily, and that's all changed.
SPEAKER_02Minnesota politics, never a dull moment, especially in the year 2026. Amy Frederickson, you are the principal at Momentum Advocacy, a former Republican state senator. Thank you for coming on our program today, giving us your take on these very important races for U.S. Senate, governor of Minnesota. And real quick, down the last 20 seconds, who's gonna win the legislature?
SPEAKER_01Um, I think that the House, probably gonna go Democrat right now. Is this a snapshot? The state senate is really up for grabs. It was a one vote anyway, and the map is better for Republicans, but the year is better for Democrats. So that's a very good.
SPEAKER_02Amy Frederickson, thank you for being our guest on Access to Democracy. Come back soon.
SPEAKER_01I would love to.
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