Faith Deconstruction EXPOSED - Why Millions Are Being Misled

In this pilot episode of the podcast, we dive into the questions many are asking today: What is a false gospel? What is faith deconstruction? And most importantly—what actually lines up with the Word of God? We’re seeking truth, not trends.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

My heart goes out to them so deeply because in my upbringing, in the times in which I was a child, we didn't have to fight a thousand different ideas.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

When Jesus stepped into their life, I haven't heard anybody say that their life was nothing better for them.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

No. It puts you in proximity to the Lord. Then all of a sudden, his presence comes.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:24

And with his presence comes light.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

When you reach the moment where you want to give up, you don't realize how close you are to the actual outcome being there. Well, we want to welcome you to the Wellspring podcast. I'm here with my dad, Pastor Randy Lynn, and we're hoping that this podcast brings a new light in your life to the scriptures. It helps the Bible come alive in your life. Um, the subtitle of this podcast is Bringing the Truth out of the context of the Bible. And the main theme of this and the whole name of the podcast, Wellspring. Wellspring. It's it's about the fact that Jesus is our wellspring. And could you read that verse in Revelation?

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Yes, chapter twenty-one and verse six. He said this it is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, and I will give unto him that is a thirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Jesus gives us living water. You remember in the gospels the Lord would always say about what he was bringing in the person of the Holy Spirit that we would either have a we would each have a well spring, a spring of living water come up from out of our spirit. He said, Out of your belly will flow rivers of living water, and he's the source when he comes in through the power of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

Then that living water is in us. And he said to all who are athirst, and that's everyone who's uh got that God-sized hole in their heart, they're unable to fill with the things of the world. And uh he says, Come to me and I'll fill it, and you'll have a spring of living water.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Yeah, and one of the things I think is cool it about this title of this podcast, it was really hard to come up with a name that wasn't taken or a name that we really wanted to be the theme. And I like that this the name of this podcast has dual meanings.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

The fact that, like you just said, um, Jesus is the well like he is the wellspring of living water coming up out of our spirits when we become saved. Right. And then the main meaning is that Jesus is the wellspring for all who are thirsty.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

He says, He's the water, he's the living water. He's the He said to the lady at the well in John 4, uh, if any man drink of this water, he'll thirst again. Speaking of that natural water of the well, but he said, if you drink of the water I will give, he said, You won't thirst again. And that didn't mean he we wouldn't thirst for more of God.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

But it meant that that that longing, that that God-sized hole, like you're calling it, in our heart would be filled with the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. And so that's the correct uh description of a born-again experience. We're changed. Yeah. We're changed from the inside out.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Yeah. Well, we're gonna go ahead and dive into our first subject here. Uh here on the wellspring, we're wanting to bring light into the truth of the Bible because there is many interpretations of verses taken out of context these days. Right. And uh that's what we wanted to start off with is finding God in the truth of the Bible and then not pinpointing just a verse, but reading the full context that surrounds it so that we can find the truth.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

And so I have an opening question for you. Okay. How do you know what you're hearing is the true gospel? Because not everything labeled Christian is truth.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

That's true. Well, it goes back to, you know, uh, well, Christ, Christianity is the only true religion, but if you took any religion, you would source it to the book that goes with it.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

It's just like you buy a piece of equipment, you go to the owner's manual. And so anytime you want to verify that what you're hearing is truth about the gospel of Christ, you gotta go to the book.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

You gotta go to who was the author of the gospel. Jesus said, I am the Alpha, the Omega, I am the beginning and the end. So he's the originator of the faith of Christianity. He's the originator of true uh relationship with God. So you gotta go to what Jesus said. You know, it's kind of funny how many people uh they they say they follow Christ, but they don't know anything that Jesus said.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

They don't read the Bible, they don't read the Bible. Which in fact is the most proved texts in all of the world. And I want to I want to go over that on another podcast of the history behind the the papyruses that were found right in proving that this out this predates many Roman documents that people find as factual.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

Absolutely. There are five manuscripts in the world that prove that Caesar was real.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Everybody agrees that Caesar existed. There were five manuscripts.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

There are over ten thousand fragments and manuscripts that verify the gospel and Jesus and the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

So we we we we anchor the truth. Oh, Caesar existed on five.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

And yet there are five, there are almost there are five thousand actual original manuscripts of scripture. But then if you take the church, early church fathers' letters, where they would write snippets of scripture in it, you've got 10,000 references.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Yeah, so I mean, you just go back to where the words of Jesus come from, and it's the most proven manuscript script.

SPEAKER_04 6:10

There is. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

So in our current reality, this generation is searching for truth.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

With all of AI and all of the fake being overflooded throughout social media. Exactly. It's it was like it was hype and it was exciting for a while, but now they're starting to get tired of the fake and the false. Exactly. And over the years, many, a lot of my generation have been hearing a watered-down gospel with uh no conviction of sin at the end of a message. True. And kind of I would just kind of want you to respond to that.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

Well, and I agree. And you know what? When you mention your generation and the ones that followed you, yeah, um, my heart goes out to them so deeply because in my upbringing, in the times in which I was a child or a young person, teenager, we didn't have to fight a thousand different ideas.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

You were either a Christian or you weren't. So I'm gonna be honest with you, I feel it was really easy for my generation to find Christ because the truth was prevalent, it was understood. You know, like 80% of Americans went to church.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Well, and you also didn't have the influx of social media and all of these people coming up with a new thought or an idea and just putting it out as scripture when it's not.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

When it's not, I my heart goes out to this generation. They have so much more to sort through than I ever did. And so it isn't their fault. I mean, it's so many lies. And uh so uh what would I say to this generation? What was the question one more time?

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Just you know how do you know what you're hearing is the true gospel?

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Well, we are called followers of Christ, and so you measure uh what you believe by who you follow.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:09

And so what the words of Jesus says the words of Jesus, you know, anybody can open the New Testament and the Gospels and look at the words of Christ in red. You know, that's a tradition that's been many, many years. And so that's what people need to see. What did Jesus if Jesus, if this Jesus is the author of Christianity, if he says he's the way, yeah. And see, here's here's another big uh conundrum we have in our culture. Well, you know, I think Jesus is a prophet, or I think Jesus is uh this or well even in Islam they believe that he was a prophet. They do, they call him Issa and they believe. But when it comes down to it, if you want to know what if you're hearing is the truth, you have to go back to the source. What did Jesus say about himself himself?

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

We Christians get accused of well, you believe this. It's not about us.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:05

Has nothing to do with us. We're just repeating what Jesus said. And so it's not our doctrine, it's not our gospel, it's not our theology or our philosophy.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

He is the gospel.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

He is the gospel. So as human beings, we have a choice. We either believe him and what he said about himself, yeah, or we just choose to believe our own way. And so, so you if you don't want to know what you're hearing is true, whether or not you agree Christianity is truth. If you're going to listen to Jesus, you're gonna have to actually get factual words that came out of his mouth.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Yeah, so if you're hearing something, a message, is does it line up with the word of God and you read the context around it?

SPEAKER_05 9:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Uh, which a lot of people don't do these days, they pull up one scripture and create their own context.

SPEAKER_04 9:54

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Uh, let's go to Galatians chapter one, okay. The author of this gospel is talking a biblical warning regarding false gospels.

SPEAKER_03 10:06

Exactly. Paul, he won them to the Lord, and then he gets he gets word that they are listening to other ideas. Yeah now, as an evangelist, as a missionary, that's very disheartening.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

I mean, you s you sacrifice your life, your blood, your sweat, your tears. You got a bunch of people who followed you, and now somebody's come in and they're changing what you believed after you've sacrificed everything. And so that's where we find Paul, and he said in verse six, I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ. He's speaking of himself unto another gospel, which is not another gospel, basically, say, but there be some of you, some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel of Christ. That's where we are today in modern society. We've got unbelievers who don't want to believe in Christ, and so they take what he said and they pervert it.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

They try to make it form their ideologies and along with their lifestyles.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Exactly. But he says this, and it's a pretty stern warning. But though we He's even including himself, he said, If I change what I originally told you, don't listen to me.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

That's pretty strong, isn't it? Or an angel from heaven. We're talking a supernatural experience now, Paul said, if an even angel from heaven comes and preaches any other gospel to you than that which we have preached you, let him be accursed.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Yeah, because even in that situation, uh you're warned in the scriptures that Satan comes as an angel of light to deceive those. And so those kind of instances that could be where their false gospel has come from.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

That's right. So again, it goes back to the scriptures.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

You have to verify everything with the scriptures. I was uh before we came on, I was researching again the the Berean believers that uh Paul reached in Acts chapter 17, and it says about them that they were uh more noble, which meant they were uh better educated, they really wanted the truth. And I mean, listen look at Paul. He comes in, he's raising the dead, he's casting out demons, he's doing supernatural miracles. But watch this. Even at that, the Bereans said, Oh no, we've got to search the scriptures to see what he's saying is true.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

So we have to have that, you know, it's not wrong, Justin, to be a skeptical uh gospel Christian believer. It's not wrong to analyze what you're hearing. It's just like you have this great question. We've got to analyze it.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

And we've got to look at is this real? And that's what the Brians were doing. So they would verify everything in scripture to find out, hey, Paul is telling us the truth.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Well, I want you to turn to 2 Timothy Timothy chapter 4, okay, where um we are charged to preach the truth.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

In all of this um culture of perverting the very gospel that needs to be preached. Uh first it's 2 Timothy four and uh just verse 1 through 5 there.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

Yeah. He said, I charge thee before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, which that word quick means in the King James living, at his appearing in his kingdom. Preach the word. I love that. Preach the word. What is that? Our sermons shouldn't come from our ideas or our feelings, our emotions.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Chat GPT.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

Yeah, come on now. That's right. Our sermons should come from the book written by the God whom we serve.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

And so preach the word. That's what he said, and then be instant in season and out of season. In other words, have enough of that understanding in you. You can tell anybody anytime, 24-7, on the street, on the phone, on social media.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

If somebody asks you a question, you don't have to say just a second, let me Google that.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

Yeah, exactly. We as Christians, we're supposed to have the word in us memorized. You know, we memorize sports heroes, we memorize NASCAR and all that. There's nothing wrong with that. But we better have the word of God in our memory so that when we're asked a question, we have an answer for it.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

You know, and so yeah. And then he says, if you got the word in you, sometimes it's gonna reprove you or in other words, point out you're wrong. Yeah. People won't like that today.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Well, we're all imperfect beings. And if you're reading the word, it's going to highlight the flaws within you.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

Humans can't see the flaws we have on our own. Uh you know, uh it's easier always to see other people's flaws than our own.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

But the word of God, that's what Paul or James mentioned, look into the perfect law of liberty, and you will see. It's like a mirror. God's word is like a mirror, and it shows you the true, the true status of ourselves, and we get a we get an accurate look.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

You know. So he says, You're gonna reprove with it, you're gonna rebuke. Wow, people really don't like that today.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

No.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Uh don't rebuke me, don't judge me.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Yeah, that's the biggest statement right now.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Well, we don't. And here's the thing, here's the difference. We as another Christian, we don't judge people where they are because guess what? We can't see their heart.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

We don't know where anybody is at any given moment.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

I just want to say that's why gossip is so talked against in the Bible.

SPEAKER_05 15:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Because the judging that a lot of people are talking about is really just wanting to tell others that people are in a bad or a tough situation. That's right. And that is not the judging that we are to do as Christians and ministers.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Not at all. You you can, you know, you can look at someone's life like Jesus said, you'll know a true Christian by its fruit.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

But we, you know, guess what? We've got uh 24 hours a day to have challenges. Uh sometimes we stumble and fall, and in five minutes, things can change.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

It's only the Lord who looks on the heart. And the Bible said the man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart. Yeah. So he's the only one who's able to measure or size up anyone.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

And it's unfair for us to do that because we can't see the person's heart. So, amen. We have to uh let leave that with the Lord and not gossip or talk about people.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Yeah. And what verse were you on right there?

SPEAKER_03 16:42

Um, Second Timothy four, reprove, rebuke, exhort.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Yeah, go down to five.

SPEAKER_03 16:48

All right, down to five. With all long suffering, look at that. Uh be patient with people if you exhort them.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

All of us take a while to uh grow up into Christ the way we should. But verse five, watch thou in all things. In other words, pay attention, heads up. Endure afflictions. That's something we don't like to do, yeah. Is endure afflictions. But if you stand for the truth, you know, somebody's not gonna like it, especially the enemy.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

Uh do the work of an evangelist. What does that mean? Uh tell everybody. Yeah. If you're if you believe in Christ that he's the only way to heaven, what are we doing? Not doing everything we can to show people that when you die, you want to go to heaven. Yeah. You sure don't want to go to the other place.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

And not just to get saved to go to heaven, but whenever you accept Jesus into your life, you can ask anybody who has come from a lifetime of bondage or a a lifetime of pain and depression, you can ask any of them. Right. When Jesus stepped into their life, yeah. I haven't heard anybody say that their life was not better for them.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Uh, what what did we celebrate uh the last year? How many years have you been in ministry?

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Well, this is uh this will be uh 52 years this year.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

So, yeah, you've had a lot of time to read the Bible and study and see see the way that uh people live and react. Well, uh, I wanted to ask you, what are signs that you've seen of false gospels? Uh you've seen different generations come up and there be different variations of this. What are some of the signs that you um kind of red flag in your mind of this is a false gospel?

SPEAKER_03 18:36

Yeah. Well, you know, it begins with the cults, and these have been around, you know, ever since uh Paul said I'm and Peter said I'm gonna go go to heaven, but I'm gonna put these things in print so you remember them. So it false false teaching goes all the way back to the early church days, but um it's really proliferated in modern times with you know modern cults, you know. I don't want to name them today, but you've got all different cults that take, as you were saying, cry scripture out of context and they base it upon their experiences.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

This is the biggest danger in any facet of spirituality is to base what you believe on your experience. Because today we have subjective truth, we're supposed to stick with objective truth.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

In other words, truth stands alone. Truth has nothing to do with my experience. And so uh the thing I've seen is a lot of people are emotionally driven, sad to say, in all my years of ministry, I've seen a lot of false teaching come out of people who are motivated to get large crowds, yeah, to get lots of money, uh, build big kingdoms, called ministries, and so there's a motivation there that the devil will use to distract people from the truth because you know it feels good. It's since we we called it a few years ago sensationalism. If it's sensational, I mean it excites you, it tickles your flesh, it gets you wound up and hyped up. It feels good, yeah, but it doesn't mean it's right. And so that's in my years of coming up that I saw that more than anything, people just getting off the word. It you can go to the prosperity doctrine, which is a true doctrine in the word of God. God wants us to be prosperous, yeah. But it became so popular to teach prosperity because people start giving.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

And they'll they'll give beyond their means or what they should give, and it makes certain people lots and lots of money.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

So it's a motivate, it's a wrong motivation, which is just as evil as people who kill each other for money, you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

The love of money being the root of all evil. So that's what I've seen in my years coming up. Always you're always gonna have the cults with you that have different Bibles and different uh, you know, back in a few years ago, you had Jim Jones, you know, and then you had this guy that thought the aliens were gonna come get his group, and they put on these robes and they I forget what they were called. Uh then there was the Arians and different ones.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

You know, that's really out there, but that's some of the things I've seen.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

It's funny you say appeal uh talking about emotionalism. Uh one of my points here, I had it appeals to emotions over truth.

SPEAKER_05 21:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

And um I have choice scriptures out of context, uh, centers on man instead of Christ. Right. Removes repentance and holiness.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Oh, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

And adds works to salvation.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

I'll let you respond on that.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

Well, uh repentance and holiness is huge today. It's it's gone and gone out of favor because we've got a lot of people teaching that grace is so amazing that you You don't even have to acknowledge you're wrong.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

And the very basis of repentance is God is right, I'm wrong, and one of us has to line up and I know it's not gonna be God.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

And your spirit feels whenever you are not in a repentative state, or um you have kind of gone off and you feel that conviction. If you've been saved, you feel that conviction of the Holy Spirit that look, I need to get right with Jesus. And I feel like the culture of the like I feel like this culture has in many ways a lot of churches, they've watered it down so much to where altar call is not the most important part of the service anymore.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

People coming to change. Yeah, and you you mentioned it. There's a lot of churches that don't even have the physical altar anymore.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

They have like a encouraging charge as you walk out the door. Exactly. But there's not an altar call to give. I mean, if the Holy Spirit shows up in the room and somebody feels them, the Lord working on their heart, but they don't have that opportunity, they may just lose that the minute they walk out the door, and that was their chance.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

It's true. Because there's a spiritual world all around us.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

And demonic oppression is everywhere, and the enemy's going to be working through emotions and the works of the flesh. That's where enemies come in. It's through how you feel. And so, yeah, that that that moment of conviction can be totally lost five minutes after you walk out. So the word preached without a decision is fruitless. Faith without works is dead. Yeah. So that's really the reason for the altar. I like that. What'd you say? The word preached without without a decision.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

Without change. The word of God challenges us. And the problem with sending him out the door, sending them out the door with just, oh, you know, be blessed. I exhort you. I uh, you know, I bless you today. And that's wonderful. In fact, we should do that after the altar.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Yeah, but if you do it without an altar, I feel like it's sending them out with in the back of their mind, like, okay, then what I'm doing is fine.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Exactly. It sends a false signal, and that's being double-minded. We on one hand, we want to serve the Lord, but on the other hand, we've not made a commitment to do so. And that's what the altar's for. That's a place to make a statement, a decision, make a commitment. Okay, God, I see the wrong in my life. I'm gonna repent to you, I want you to change me.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

And then you get up from there and you walk different, you know, through the power of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah, I see a lot of ministries because growth is um the priority on their list rather than what Jesus can do for their flux life. Um, I see just wanting to stay in a comfortable state or a comfortable atmosphere. You see certain churches, their opening song uh being a secular song that you find it it just playing in anywhere on the radio when they walk into the church when really they should be walking into the presence of God. But these churches are doing this to make people feel comfortable in their sin and in their ways to keep them there ultimately, I feel like for their giving. Um and uh I have this written down. It's dangerous. Um, if it's all comfort and no truth, it's dangerous.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

That's good. That's really good. It is because basically, you know, we live in a fallen world, and everything in this world goes against the principles of God because Adam fell, yeah, and and the enemy now is the Prince of the Power of the Earth. So you're swimming upstream, so to speak, and you need, we need the presence of God. You're a worshiper, I'm a worshiper. And here's the thing about true worship it puts you in proximity to the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

It puts you when you start bowing at his feet, we start acknowledging who he is, then all of a sudden his presence comes.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

And with his presence comes light, yeah, which reveals the condition of our heart. So that's why a lot of people say, Well, well, let's make them comfortable. Well, what what atmosphere are you making them comfortable to? What they've been in in the world?

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

Or are you gonna get them into the presence of God? And when you do, that's you know, you're gonna laugh at this, but you know, your whole life your dad has been a musician, and so uh years and years and years people thought it was the loud.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Well, I like loud, but loud is not it. Really, it's the spiritual noise that true worship makes. And so they just didn't know any better than they thought it was the volume. But actually, what it is is the piercing conviction, conviction of the presence of God that's on the worship, on the music, and they think it's just loud, but it's it's it's opening, uh, it's revealing the true condition of their heart. And it feels very uncomfortable to a person who's not close to Jesus like they need to be.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

I like what you said about uh his presence, it's the proximity, um, the that reveals the things. And in my own life, I've been uh I've been doing this prayer journal by Addison Brevere, John Bevere's son, and uh he starts it off with just a three three-word prayer, I am here.

SPEAKER_05 27:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

And so then you're just you're waiting before the Lord, and you just tell the Lord, I am here, and then whenever his presence shows up, that's where he's been revealing to me things that I need to change, things that I need to do. Right. But until his presence shows up, I my natural mind, I don't know what is wrong, or maybe I'm not aware of something I'm doing that needs to be taken care of, or something uh or a path that I need to go down, and I don't understand that until the presence of God shows up and reveals it to me.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

That's right. Well, the Bible says God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. Unfortunately, we have a measure of darkness on us through this life journey. So guess what? You you you put on a big light outside on a dark night, the closer you get to the light. Oh, you see, I I got a stain on my shirt here because I was sloppy eating my spaghetti, you know. The closer you get to light, the more is revealed. Now, this is the beautiful thing. The Lord doesn't condemn us, he's not being mean to us. Yeah, it's just his very nature. He's not waiting to just, you know, hammer us when we get close to him. Yeah, just the very nature of who he is. Light reveals our needs, it reveals our shortcomings.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

And it's not God doing it to be mean, it's his presence can't be anywhere there is darkness. Like in uh the old testament, when his presence would inhabit the Ark of the Covenant, yeah, and there was a massive thick, we'll have to do a podcast on how the temple was built and the veil and all that. Yeah, but um the he when he inhabited the ark, there was a whole process because humankind is was cursed with sin from the garden. That's right. Um, there was a whole process that had to be gone through and it had to be a specific tribe that could even get close to the presence of God because their physical body couldn't handle it and they could die.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

That's exactly right. Well, the Lord told Adam, in the day you disobey me, eat this fruit, you will die. So at that moment, all human race, uh Paul says it in Romans, by one man, death and sin entered.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

And so it wasn't it's not a person's personal sin necessarily, yeah, though all have sinned. It's just we live in this fallen nature. And I often bring this out at church, son, that uh God's very nature, his holiness destroys sin on contact. Yeah, it destroys, it obliterates. It's not because God's mean, it's just the very nature of what he is who he is, yeah, destroys wrong. It destroys darkness, it it destroys sin and sinfulness. And so that's the reason the blood throughout the entire Bible is the only shield between our sinfulness and the holiness of God.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

It's the only thing that stops immediate death and annihilation.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Yeah, like uh in the plagues of Israel, exactly. Uh the blood of the lamb being on the doorposts and um them having to do a whole process and then and sacrifice a lamb and all that, but because Jesus came, yeah, we have the blood of Jesus in our own life that we can declare over the doorposts of our life in our home for death to pass over in that aspect.

SPEAKER_04 31:02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Um, so I I had written down I'm it these false gospels, um, a lot of times they never confront sin, never calls for s repentance, never calls for surrender.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

And then I want you to go ahead and pull up Matthew chapter 24.

SPEAKER_05 31:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Uh, right here in this um scripture, it's a warning from Jesus himself to stay grounded in the Word of God.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

It's Matthew twenty-four, four through five.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Four through five, okay. Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed, or in other words, listen up, that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. So there's a lot of people that are gonna say, I mean, there was I read a news story the other day. There was a guy that showed up uh telling somebody he was Christ and he was committing a crime, you know. And they had to lock him up.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

I think I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Yeah. So there's gonna be a lot of voices.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

And they will deceive many, which is unreal, but it says they will deceive many. So we've got to watch that we're not deceived, and the only thing that will keep us free from deception is the book.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Testing what you hear.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

What you hear, searching the scriptures, seeing if Jesus said that, seeing if God said that through the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Well, I want to go on into uh our second point about uh I hear so much on social media about this deconstruction. I'm keep deconstructing my faith. Yeah. And I wanted to give a quick analogy to those watching. Um, I just built my house this past year. Yeah. Wow, and it's quite a house. It's it was a lot of work too. Yeah. Um, and as I was framing these walls out, yeah, um, I'd have my plans laid out.

SPEAKER_05 32:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Well, if uh you know anything about building and what plans, house plans entail, um, you'll look at the you'll look at the plans and different walls will have a code.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

And there's a box on the first page that tells you the windows and the doorway openings and what size they should be. Yeah. Well, there were a couple times where I misread that or I had found another window that I wanted to replace for it and I didn't write it in there or whatever. Yeah. But um, so like the main plans, it tells you what size window needs to be there. And so uh I'm building the wall, yeah, and then I go back, I lift it up, and I um and I on the master side of the house, I mean, I I messed up there and I measured and it was not correct.

SPEAKER_05 33:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Well, what had happened was I'd misread that in the context of the first floor.

SPEAKER_05 33:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

And uh so then I go back and so then you I had to deconstruct it.

SPEAKER_05 33:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

But the thing I'm seeing this whole theme of deconstructing, anything deconstructed must be reconstructed.

SPEAKER_05 34:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

If you don't reconstruct it, then it's just demolition.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Yeah. It is, because if you if you don't tear it out and put it back right, yeah, and you know, correct it, you actually have to pull some nails out of concrete and reset the walls, and and then you you've got a lot of work to put it back correctly.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

And I know what I see what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Like the truth was always there that that was the window size that went on that floor, right? But I didn't read it in the context of it being the first floor.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

Your perception was off.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And so then I deconstructed it to reconstruct it the way it's supposed to be and better.

SPEAKER_04 34:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

And I feel like uh as Christians in life, any most Christians are gonna go through periods of deconstructing and reconstructing. Absolutely. Like um, you go back and you've read a verse or something and you um didn't quite hear from the Lord, or you didn't read the context surrounding it, and then you eventually come into a place where you're in the presence of God and you're reading, and the Lord reveals to you what that what he's saying.

SPEAKER_05 35:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

And that is, I feel like Christians have these moments of deconstructing and re reconstruction. But what I'm seeing people my age do all over social media is hearing an outside ideology from the word of uh aside from the word of God and using that to deconstruct their faith, yeah, but they're using the wrong word. They're really just using that ideology to demolish their faith.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

They are, and and we are builders, and you're right, building our life on the rock. Jesus said we're building a house. He used the illustration. Don't build it on the sand. Yeah, build it on the rock. What is the rock? Christ Jesus and his teachings. Yes. So we are building, and and you were mentioning there are times we have to deconstruct and then reconstruct, and that is absolutely true. I've seen it in my life. I grew up believing some things that were incorrect.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

And I had to check it out in the word of God, just like the Bereans we were talking about, you know, they searched the scriptures. Is this correct? And so I'll be honest with you, son, there were times I believed certain things about, you know, just the prosperity gospel, some things I didn't believe in the Old Testament because those around me, the traditions of men, had said, oh, this didn't happen, but the Bible said it did. It did. So I had to go take a sledgehammer, bust those thought patterns out of my life and reconstruct what the Bible said.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

So, you know, it's not bad, it's not a bad thing to have to tear something down that's wrong. Just like it wasn't a bad thing for you to build uh a wall correctly, you had to tear out the bad and put in the new.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

And so, yeah. But people who are quote quote deconstructing their faith, it's just they don't love the Lord anymore. They don't want to agree with him.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

They're not close to Jesus anymore. Right. And uh I the end result is turning away from Jesus and believing in a man-made system.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

And that's it. And here's here's another uh aspect of that. A lot of people who are quote unquote deconstructing, when you really read their thoughts, they never had a construction going anyway. They didn't have a real faith. They had maybe gone to church with their mom, their grandpa, they had gone to Sunday school, but they never had a supernatural encounter with the Lord. They had it, they had Christianity as a religion.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 37:49

But they didn't have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus. Well, it's really easy to deconstruct that because it's not based on your own personal salvation.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

I like it. You said the religion, because a lot most of the videos I come across of people deconstructing, they've come out of like a cult-like version of Christianity. Right. Where it was they were just doing a business model of what they were told, right? Reading certain like things of what to say to people. And it they never I never hear them talk about a personal encounter with Jesus. Exactly. And um just like a divine appointment that changed their life forever.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

And so uh yeah, it's it's easy to deconstruct something you've really never had in the beginning. You've just got to house a card, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 38:38

Either that or I've seen people that maybe they they did get saved and they had um they came to the altar and God freed them from something, and then they move on down the road and they forget what God did for them, and um they get so overwhelmed by the culture that they start listening to um all of these false things, and um it's it that's what is I think is causing the chaos in their mind. It is uh just to tear down their faith. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

Well, the Lord said in the last days uh people would the love of many, and here's this here's the secret the love for God, the love for Christ grows cold because sin abounds. Yeah, and there's so much sin and it just seems like everybody's doing it, and a lot of people are. It causes you to not to get your eyes back on the world, world's ways, the flesh. And so all of a sudden, if you're not careful, your love grows cold for the Lord. Yeah, and then even you you might have had a great love for him at one point, but the enemy's deconstructing that in you by the the hardness of sin. Paul said in Hebrews, uh, don't don't go there because the hardness, sin hardens your heart. Yeah, and it'll cause you to walk away.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

I feel like a lot of those times it also it becomes what Jesus and the gospel can do for them. Yeah, not just loving the person of Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 40:13

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

And then but because because what comes along with loving the person of Jesus is the joy and the peace that he brings into your life. That's right. But if you're always going to him of what he can do for you, for me, you're looking to him as like a fix or anything else that the world goes to these other substances for.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

Exactly. Well, the Lord said the whole gos the true gospel says, if you're gonna come and be my disciple, it's not about you, it's about serving others. Yes, it's about picking up your cross and following Christ and washing other people's feet. So, yeah. If it's all about us, then it's not the true gospel.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

No, and that's why I've been uh talking in the church like on Sunday about um keep keeping the gospel in the four walls is what a lot of ministries have been doing over the years. Absolutely. And uh I said on Sunday that if after Jesus told the disciples, go into all the world and preach this, share this love, uh, share this power that I've given you, right, and they decided to keep it in a city of ministries, right? It would have never crossed the Atlantic Ocean, it never would have spread all over the earth. Absolutely. And God has called us to um be that outreach, to shed light in the darkest places.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

That's right. Somebody has to go, somebody has to proclaim.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Yeah. Well, I uh have written down this the deconstruction in uh the faith walk of a Christian, it refines your faith and strengthens your understanding and grounds you deeper in the truth.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

It does. Uh it reminds us if we have to deconstruct something, if we have to if we have an epiphany and we realize, man, I've been wrong about this my whole life. I see in the Bible this this this attitude, this thought pattern is not correct. Then you Peter calls that the trial of your faith.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:19

The test of your faith, which is more precious than gold. Why? Because once you correct, your faith is stronger than ever. Just what you said. And it and it reminds you hey, I went through this, God adjusted me, he fixed me. I can go forward and look, I'm so much stronger, wiser now than ever, you know.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Yeah. Well, um, we're coming to a close here on the podcast. This has been this has been wonderful. I I really pray that this conversation just brings the light of God's word into people's lives. Um in this closing challenge, um, I have just whatever you listen to, don't just hear it because there's so much being pumped out through TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, everything, uh, but test it against the word.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

Tested against the word. There's those Bereans again in Acts 17, 11. They checked it out every day. Yeah. I love it. This Holy Spirit put that word in there. Daily, they searched the scriptures. Not just once, yeah, but daily. They would hear Paul teach every day, and then they would go check it out for themselves. And so we got to check upon ourselves daily in the book.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

To stay anchored in the truth. In the truth, because the word of God is truth.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

It is the truth.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

In ending this, my I have a this closing remark is to pursue the real Jesus and not the cultural cultural version that we are seeing.

SPEAKER_03 43:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

The the Jesus that people are painting that condones everything, the their own man-made version, but to pursue the real version. Real Jesus that we find in the context of his word. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Again, who did he say that he was? Who did Jesus say he was? That's the only important thing that matters.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

We don't believe anything, even what we want him to be in our own personal lives, has no bearing on who was he? Who is he? What did he say about himself? And that's what we follow.

SPEAKER_00 44:23

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

That's who we follow.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Well, is there anything you'd like to say to the podcast audience, just letting him know that we do go through these periods of deconstructing and reconstructing. Is there anything you'd like to respond to them in that?

SPEAKER_03 44:38

I just want to encourage everybody that uh getting tweaked, as we would say today, is a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

I think that's an old term, but well, maybe it is.

SPEAKER_03 44:47

In my day, we i it's a good thing to let the Lord uh tweak the areas of your life that need change, and we call that conviction biblically.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

And really one of the kindest things the Lord does for us is to point out our wrong because you know what? He has our best interests at heart. Yeah. He wants life to be better for us, and he really does. And so he said, I came to give you abundant life. And so if we'll just let him adjust us, change our attitudes and things, he can take us on further.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

And like you said, higher. Like you said at the beginning of this podcast, um, a lot of times we continue we're continuing on something, and it's easy for people on the outside to see what's going on. And a lot of times we're in when we're in the middle of a struggle, it's hard to know that.

SPEAKER_03 45:39

That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's you gotta trust him. What did he say? I'll never leave you nor forsake you, I'll take you through. And there's here's the big thing. Just don't quit.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:54

Just keep following Jesus. You may not understand what happened today or what happens tomorrow, but just keep following Jesus. Hold on to what he said, don't be moved. Yeah. And believe what you believe today, believe it tomorrow, the rest of your life. And it and if you believe the word of God, he said it's always gonna work out good for you.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Yeah, I just said this to a couple of people the other day when we were in conversation. Um not like in many times of my life, uh, whether it was building a house or working on a car or writing a song or just going through a battle personally in my life, yeah. The when you reach the moment where you want to give up.

SPEAKER_05 46:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

When you reach the moment when you just think that you're just gonna fail, yeah. You don't realize how close you are to the actual outcome being there. That's true. That's true. I mean, on this house building it, the closer I I didn't realize that I was just right around the corner for being able to get the inspections and move in.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

But I just pulled in my driveway feeling like I wanted to give up. Right. But I was just barely month a few months away from the end result.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

True. That's when the enemy will come at you the hardest, right about the time you're to top the hill.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

That's what he does. You'll feel the worst.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

You'll feel the most depression oppression from the enemy, but that's when you don't give up. Yeah. As they used to say, on the brink of your miracle.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

Yeah, because the enemy senses something is about to change. Yes, he knows. And he wants to nip it in the bud per se before you've broken past that, because he knows once you break past that, um, God will bless you with the strength and the power that you hadn't seen in the past.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

That's right. That's right. And that's the reason the Lord said, Don't put don't put your hand at the plow and turn back and be unfit for the kingdom. Keep your nose in the on the grind of serving the Lord in such a way as I could say it, you know. Keep your path forward, keep your chin up, we'd say, Yeah. Keep looking unto Jesus who began your faith. And what does the scripture say? If we'll cooperate, he that began a good work in us will complete it, will complete it.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Yeah. Well, I feel really strong in my spirit right now that um as we close this, I want to have you pray over those that are maybe in that season of wanting to give up.

SPEAKER_05 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

And they're feeling like they're failing right now. Yeah. But um, I feel the Holy Spirit just wanted to bring that up at the end of this podcast to let them know that they're just about to step into their new season. They're just about to come out of that.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

So the very reason they may have stumbled across this podcast today is to encourage you not to give up. The Lord is with you. Ultimately, He is love. He is love. He loves you with an undying, everlasting love. And let me tell you when there's hope. As long as you care, as long as you want Him, it doesn't matter what you're struggling with, what sin you've been addicted to, where you are, it matters not. He loves you. As long as you care and want a relationship with God, you can get forgiveness. You can get grace, you can get mercy, and the Lord will turn it around. So don't quit and don't give up today. Yeah. And I want to pray for you. And we're gonna agree together, right? Let's just go ahead and pray. Oh, Father, I come in Jesus' name and I ask you to touch the people that are listening today, Lord. You love them so much they don't you love them more than their mother, their father, their sister, their brother. You care, Lord, where they are. You feel their pain. You took that to the cross. Everything a human could experience, you you experienced it in your betrayal and your crucifixion, but you won. And you did it out of love for us, knowing that we would face those same trials, those same failures, those same tests and temptations. But you handed us your victory with the resurrection. Lord, let them feel your sweet presence now and know that there's no condemnation, there's no shame in coming to God, there's only love and mercy and grace. So, Father, reach out to them right now. We reach out. We want to say we love you, but God loves you 10 billion times more than we do. Yes. And we want you to feel his love no matter where you are. Find him again. Move close to Jesus. Ask him to save you, ask him to forgive you. He will. He will. And he's coming right now where you are. Just embrace his presence and say, Lord, have your way in my life. Forgive me, cleanse me, and take me on where you want to go. In Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

Amen. Well, I'm very thankful that God gave you this idea to start this podcast. I feel like we're stepping into a season where this is needed. The truth of the Bible in context is very needed. And I want to thank everybody listening and watching this podcast. Um, be looking forward for more episodes. Uh, if you have a question or um something about uh the Bible in the context of society that you would like us to cover, go ahead and put that down in the comments. We're gonna read all the comments, and I want to be able to have these things that we can cover for you.

SPEAKER_04 51:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

And so once again, I want to thank you. My dad, Pastor Randy Lynn, wants to thank you for joining us on this podcast and continue to allow Jesus, the wellspring, to be that living water in your life today.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Amen.