Sacred Sitdowns
Sharing one’s personal story is sometimes hard, but it is holy. Sacred Sitdowns seeks to allow a safe space for faith-filled conversations with members and friends of Geist Christian Church. Hosts Kyle Brown and Danny Gulden hope that all those who hear will be enlightened and inspired. Listen with us. You’ll be glad you did.
Sacred Sitdowns
Rev. Josh Jackson
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This week’s guest is Rev. Joshua Tripp Jackson. Josh is the associate minister at Allisonville Christian Church in Indianapolis. Josh is an enneagram 3, which he has lived up to by receiving not one but two bachelor's degrees from Texas Christian University and a Master of Divinity from Vanderbilt Divinity School. There is only one area in which his 3-ness fails: If Josh asks you to come over for dinner, there is a 70% chance that it will be burnt when you arrive. When Josh is not working, you can find him listening to Taylor Swift; playing with his spoiled Schnauzer, Beasley; or exploring Indianapolis with his friends.
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SPEAKER_02A story that will transform, enlighten, challenge, and change how we see the world. My name is Kyle Brown.
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SPEAKER_02We hope you will be enlightened and inspired by the word shared today. This is Sacred Sit Downs. All right, hello, everyone. We are here with our very first friend today. This is episode four, and Kyle and I are welcoming our first friend of the podcast today, Reverend Josh Jackson. Josh serves as the associate minister at Allisonville Christian Church, which is one of our sister churches here in Indianapolis and down the street. Welcome, Josh. We're glad you're here today.
SPEAKER_00Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.
SPEAKER_02You were on the very short list of who should be our first friend to join, and so we're glad. Glad that you said yes. Thank you. Kyle, welcome.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. So hey, let's just get right into it, Josh. I have to ask, and then we'll get back to your story. You have recently transitioned from uh being in seminary and working and serving a church in Nashville. You are uh a Vandy Divinity School grad, right? I am. All right. You're smart. Very smart. And uh also a a TCU grad as well. Oh, of course, go frogs. And we'll we'll probably hit on all those things. Um but I am curious, right out of the gate, uh this transition from uh going to seminary and all the things that you learn, all the heady stuff, to uh your first year in full-time ministry. What has been the thing that has surprised you or um shocked you? Or you you just didn't they didn't prepare you for in seminary, but here you are learning on the on the ground?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um what surprised me the most is probably how little I miss school, honestly. Um I love learning. I went to TCU, got a degree in religion and one in history, then my master's at Vanderbilt. So I always love learning and reading and taking classes, and so I assumed that I'd probably want to do some continuing ed stuff pretty quickly. Um, and so I attempted to audit a class at Lexington in January, and it just I realized very quickly I was not ready to go back to learn things in school. Um, because the one of the things I loved the most in seminary was my field ed when I was at Eastwood Christian Church. I just loved getting to do the actual work, and so getting to really only focus on that, transitioning into full-time ministry has been such a joy. Um, it's I figured I would love it, but it has surprised me how much I would love it.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. And Josh served at Eastwood with Samantha Copeland, who's on our staff here at Geist, so you and Sam are good friends. And um, I first met Josh when he was an undergrad at TCU, and at the time, Josh, I am wearing my horn frogs. Thank you very much. Thank you. And when I met Josh, I thought to myself, this is a very smart guy, talented guy, can really probably do anything he wants to with his life, and so uh why ministry?
SPEAKER_00That's a good question.
SPEAKER_02Why ministry?
SPEAKER_00Um, so uh oddly enough, growing up, I wanted to be an orthodontist um for the longest time. Um, and that was because I loved my orthodontist. I really appreciate straight teeth. Like, that's nice. I had braces twice, I had the whole headgear retainer, everything. Like my teeth. Beat two, oh good, I'm not alone. You guys could do like that stepbrothers picture, you know, where they're in there. Anyway, go ahead. We honestly could. Like my teeth were awful. I got braces in third grade, and my orthodontist came out to ask my mom if he could submit my before and after to some orthodontic journal because of how ridiculous they were. Anywho, back to why I wanted to be that. Um, I really appreciated how my orthodontists like got to know his patients and their families because you see orthodontists typically for a long time. And so his name was Dr. Tsarneckey, and so Dr. Tsarniki would get to know everyone, and he really like watched us grow up, and so I wanted to be that figure to my orthodontic patients. Like I didn't want to just inflict pain on them and collect their parents' money. I really wanted to be an adult they could trust and form a relationship with them. So now that I'm in ministry, I can see glimpses of that call at that point. Um, but my senior year at in high school, I was looking at colleges and I really wanted to go to TCU. It's where all my family went. It's the best school in the world, obviously. Um, but it's also a little expensive. So I was looking at some other places, and the then senior minister at my home church asked if we could go get ice cream one day. Um and we sat down and he asked if I'd ever considered ministry, um, because he said he could see the gifts of ministry in me. Um and I'm very stubborn, so I said no, um, and explained that I was going to be an Orthodontist. And so, long story short, it worked out that I got to go to TCU. I started out a dual major in biology and religion because I had figured that religious studies sounded interesting and I really liked the classes. Um, it was impossible for my advisor to make that schedule work, but we made it work. I skipped out on what would have been a required freshman lab for me so I could take a religion class. So again, I should have realized at that point that I was not going to study biology. And then I just had this moment the day I moved into my first year residence hall. I was looking at the bookstore website to see all the biology and chemistry books I needed. And I just had this moment that this is not what I'm supposed to do. Um, I'd call that now like a God wink or noticing God or feeling God's presence. So I ran to the registrar in a panic where she told me that I could have fixed my major online when I was demanding I change it from biology. Um but she helped me because she could tell I was clearly a lost little first year student. So she sent me over to some little workstation and sent a GA over to help me. And I was gonna switch to the pre-major program so I could figure out what I wanted to do. But I asked the GA what she majored in, and she said she majored in religion at TCU, and it was the best choice she'd ever made. And so at that point I realized, okay, maybe I should give this a shot. And here we are now, and I couldn't imagine it any differently.
SPEAKER_01Well, I know the church is better for you being in it. And and leading. Um, I mean, it's it's it's not easy work uh to be a minister and to walk alongside people and uh in their hard times and in and in their joy. It's it's a very vulnerable space to be, and and not everyone can do it um authentically. And uh I think it's been fun to watch you uh engage with kids at Allisonville um and care well for them. Uh now did you grow up uh going to youth group yourself and and was that a part of of your rhythm as as a kid?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was. So I was definitely a church kid growing up. Um my mom and dad took us, me and my three younger siblings, to church week after week. We did the whole Sunday school. When we were little, we did the children's ministry things. And then I remember when I started sixth grade, I didn't really want to go to youth group. I didn't see the point of it. Um, but my mom made me go to it, and I'm so glad she did. It was just my favorite part of the week. I loved my youth group friends at my home church. Um, yeah, group all the church camp things we would do together and mission trips. I just can think of so many formative things from my time as a youth in youth ministry. Um definitely did all of that.
SPEAKER_02I'm not sure we can go any further in this conversation without asking uh this question. I am a big believer that the line between uh sacred and secular is pretty thin, especially when it comes to music. And uh Josh is a Taylor Swift theologian, I would say. So tell us a little bit how you really um got into Taylor Swift and where you see the holy in her music.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I've just I've loved her as long as I can remember. I think Fearless, her second album, came out when I was in middle school. Um, so I can remember love stories. I feel old. So sorry for that as soon as I said.
SPEAKER_02I was eating breakfast at Denny's or something when anyway, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00I was on my second round of braces at that point. Um, but anyway, I can remember just hearing love story and you belong with me, and all those really fun little songs that just took over my middle school in Colleyville, Texas. And so I've just loved her as long as I can remember, and it's been really fun for me to see her different eras and how she's changed and grown, how her music has developed and things like that. And so how I see that spiritually is it's she's someone I grew up with, like alongside. I watched her evolve and change as I evolved and changed, and as my faith evolved and changed, as and how my call evolved and changed. Um, she's someone that I think a lot of people can relate to, which I think is important, and that's a big thing for me to incorporate like in my sermons and in my youth ministry programming, is that it's relatable and it's approachable for whoever I'm talking to. And I think she's really good at doing that.
SPEAKER_01Now, do you have a a favorite song or a quote or a line from a song that um is the be-all for you and Taylor? Is it is it hard to boil down to just one?
SPEAKER_00It it probably is, but it's it's very challenging. Um, I do have a favorite song from each album. I could pick that. So it really depends on my day. But right now, I think my favorite it's probably Mr. Perfectly Fine from Fearless. That's one of her vault songs. It's just really catchy and fun. Um, but the other one's probably a song called Holy Ground, and it's just it's so peppy, but it has a nice, like, deep meaning to it that she's reflecting back on these memories and how they've been important to her and how they've shaped her and the present when she recorded that song that's from Red. Um so those are probably my two favorite, but I couldn't pick a favorite quote. There's just too many.
SPEAKER_01So this podcast will come out after uh uh her uh tickets go on sale tomorrow. Pre-sale is uh the it goes out tonight. She skipped indie. She did skip indie. Um where are you looking to go see her in concert if you were able to get tickets?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so she did a really nice like verified fan pre-registration for a pre-sale, and I learned today I got approved for that, so that's nice. Um so I signed up for like tickets at Chicago, um, Nashville, and Cincinnati, and I got approved for the Chicago show. So fingers crossed, I get tickets for that. I was actually texting Sam Copeland about that earlier today, so we figured out how much we're gonna spend, but it'll be good.
SPEAKER_02Josh hung that approval next to his ordination certificate on the wall.
SPEAKER_00I should. I should print it out and put it up there.
SPEAKER_01That's impressive. I haven't seen if I've been approved. Cincinnati was our because our we I have an 11-year-old. She is um very excited about the opportunity of going. Um I uh you speak of mission trips and and her music. Um, I think any mission trip I've ever been on, uh, there is always a Taylor Swift song that kind of uh captures the week of the kids um together, and it is played over and over and over again. And even those uh folks that may dislike Taylor or choose not to listen to Taylor, by the end of the week, kind of join in because there's something engaging and inviting in her music that even if you may not enjoy her enjoy the music, um, it pulls you in. And after a while, it just kind of surrounds you, and you have nothing but uh joy to sing uh as you join the concophony of other youth singing to the top of their lungs, whatever song it may be.
SPEAKER_00Oh, totally. Blank Space from 1989 took over the Allisonville Youth Group on our mission trip to Nashville. And there's just something really special about hearing a group of eighth-grade boys screaming Blank Space in a minivan as we pulled into the parking lot of the church.
SPEAKER_02Well, I think you said one of the powerful things about her is that she has evolved. She has changed, right? She started out as this teenage country artist, right? And now, and I think it kind of gives us all permission to evolve and change, and she's been very honest and open about that, and I think that's how it speaks to faith. Um Josh, when it comes to your own faith, how how has that evolved and changed over time?
SPEAKER_00It has definitely changed over time. Like looking back, it just feels completely different, and yet there's some really strong similarities. Um, like growing up, I definitely like my relationship with God very much viewed God as an all-powerful, all-controlling, all-knowing deity, which I still do recognize and embrace God's ever-ending presence, never-ending presence and stuff like that. And I did you grow up in the disciples?
SPEAKER_02I did. Okay, that's what I thought.
SPEAKER_00Sixth generation disciples. Oh my gosh. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Are you related to Alexander Campbell?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Maybe maybe.
SPEAKER_02All right.
SPEAKER_00But as I grew up in the disciples' church, I grew up at Creekwood Christian Church in Flower Mound. Um, my Sunday school teachers and youth sponsors all did a really good job of encouraging us to ask questions, and they would let us sit in silence when none of us would answer a question until someone spoke up, and that would spark discussion on things to help us grow on our faith on our own. Um, but the big thing that evolved as I grew was I really started to embrace the role of other humans and creation in God's work here, that it's not just God doing everything on God's own, but we're an active part of this creation, and we're an active part of bringing God's love throughout the world and being beacons of light to all that we encounter. Um that's a pretty big development, but it still embraces that God is always with us and that we can always trust that God will never leave us.
SPEAKER_01So in seminary, what um what was something that that you found um that challenged you that maybe uh as we evolve and as we change, there are things that that we bump up against that that sharpen our understanding or change our understanding? Was there was there something in in seminary that maybe at first challenged that you were able to lean into and and and adapt in in your own understanding of the divine or or our role in in this creation?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um a big challenge for me was letting go of my like preconceived notions or plans for what my call is, um, and just trusting in my heart and in my spirit that God would call me where I am called to be. Um I tend to be someone who likes to plan everything, who likes to know everything and kind of not be in control of everything, but understand what's going on and plan as far ahead as I can. And obviously that doesn't always work with faith or your call. Um if you had told me 15 years ago I was gonna be a minister, I probably would have laughed at you. And if you had told me five years ago, yeah, five years ago, that I would move to Indianapolis and be a minister here, I would completely have laughed at you because my entire plan is to go right back home to Texas right away and serve in youth ministry somewhere. So it was a big surprise for me to just kind of let that go and trust that I would be called where I'm called to be. And now that I'm here, I really can't imagine myself anywhere else. This is just the best fit for me at this point, and I completely feel called to this ministry here.
SPEAKER_02Uh you mentioned loving Field Ed. So when you started at um Vandy, which down at Emory, we called Vandy the Emery of the North. But um when I was in seminary, what did you call Lexan Theological Seminary? The Emery of the North. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Um You mentioned Field Ed and you worked at Eastwood, and um so when you started seminary, did you know you wanted to serve in a congregation, or did you um did you think about serving uh where did you sense that how did that call maybe evolve over seminary? And how did working in a congregation and seminary inform that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I pretty much knew most of the time that I wanted to do congregational ministry, and I really knew that I did not want to be a solo minister or a senior minister. I was called to youth and children's ministry in some form of associate ministry. Um but there were moments that I thought maybe campus ministry is where I'm supposed to be. And those moments came about honestly when I was mad at what was happening at church or when I was frustrated with something in school or frustrated with something going wrong in my field ed like work. Um I would think about other things other than the church, but it always came back to this is where I'm supposed to be in a congregation. Um, because I really do love it. Um, and that love often outweighed the frustrations that we would face.
SPEAKER_01So in your field ed, what uh like what was the scope um for you serving the church? What what did was it children, youth? What what what did you focus mostly during your time there?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so the first year it was completely youth ministry. Um so I ran the whole youth program at Eastwood. Um that's weekly youth group and Sunday school. I helped with fall retreats, planned our ski trips, stuff like that. Um and then second year, it kind of that was my third, my first year is my second year of Vanderbilt. My second year there was my third year there. It kind of evolved then. That's also when COVID hit. Um so Eastwood was in a period of transition my entire time there. Their longtime senior minister left, ironically, my first Sunday. Um, and so we had an interim who also left during my third year. So my third year, I picked up a lot of the weekly preaching there since I spent a summer in 2019 serving as the senior minister intern at First Christian Church of Macomb, Illinois. So I preached every week, filling in for a senior minister who went on sabbatical. So that kind of got rolled into my role. Um, so I really got a taste of a lot of what ministry could look like, and that definitely confirmed I did not want to preach every week. Um, I enjoy preaching, but I appreciate that Allisonville only has me preach once a month. That is a perfect rhythm for me.
SPEAKER_01So one of the things I I mean, that's you spoke that you you like to know things, you are very detailed oriented, and here you are in the midst of seminary, and what you just explained to me was a life of constant transition and change. So what grounded you in that season? Because I mean, not only did you have COVID, but uh you're pretty much doing ministry with a team of other uh uh seminary students, right? I mean it it so what grounded you in that? How did you how did you find peace and not just lose it because there were times I felt like I lost it, and I'm sure Sam and Rachel Cooley can confirm that.
SPEAKER_02But the congregation expected you to be like a 20-year season pastor. I mean, that Eastwood's a great congregation, historic congregation, and so uh that's a big task.
SPEAKER_00My first instinct when you asked that question was oh, my love for church is what grounded me, but I don't think that was actually it. Um honestly, it was my friends at the Disciples Divinity House. Um the the cohort that I entered with, um, it was them. That those people are my people, and I really can't imagine life without them, especially that year and a half of COVID divinity school where we were all on Zoom and by ourselves and stuff like that. So when things did get ugly or stressful at church, um, they were the people I would instantly turn to. Um and their support and their questions and their space they'd make for me to either process things or just vent at them was really how I didn't just lose my mind and all that upheaval and constant transition and just the unknown.
SPEAKER_02So, how did those relationships form for you in the the disciples divinity house? And how was that shaped how you believe relationships should be formed in the congregation?
SPEAKER_00That's a good question. Um, at the disciples house, it's nice because we're all kind of stuck together. Like it's not exactly a huge building, and so um you either get along with people or you don't. Um and so luckily my group gets along. So we really just kind of got to know each other throughout our first year. We'd hang out, go to dinner, go get drinks, stuff like that, to just get to know each other naturally outside the classroom. And so I think that's something that we can really embrace in the church is we don't have to just do everything on Sunday morning. Like it doesn't have to just be Sunday school where we talk to one another or a fellowship lunch where we talk to one another. Like I think there are creative and organic ways to nurture relationships in a congregation, whether that's with a youth group or even adults or children. Um we can do way more outside the church building, and I think the past years have really shown us that more than ever.
SPEAKER_01What's um what's an activity, what's a dream uh maybe uh that needs to be lived into or that you've seen a church live into of thinking big and living outside the church.
SPEAKER_00I really liked what my Fort Worth church did during the height of COVID, or what I would call season one of the pandemic. Um so that's University Christian Church in Fort Worth. They did some outdoor church things, like they'd split people up in small groups and they'd gather on people's lawns. I think that was in COVID. Yeah. If it wasn't, it was still a good idea. Um but just getting people to see each other in their homes and in their yards and try something totally different. I really thought that was neat. Um, that that was a creative way that they shifted things.
SPEAKER_02I think you have one of the more um difficult callings in Ministry and the sense of youth ministry has um changed, it has evolved, and just the commitment of um, you know, if you think about if a kid if a youth comes to worship on Sunday morning and then comes back to youth group or stays for youth group on Sunday, I mean, they're spending they're giving three hours on a day to church, um, which is way more than most adults give. So what is for you, what what do you find to be the most compelling thing because all the all youth now have to make choices. I can either do this or I can do this. So what is the thing you think that makes church have value in teenagers' lives, where it's something they want to give their life to? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's a place where they can be themselves, of course, but it's a place where they can talk about and grow in relationship with other people their age surrounding something that's deeply important to them, their faiths. You can't they can't really talk about Jesus or ask questions about God uh in just about any place. I mean, maybe they could. Um but I appreciate that in church they get to do that with people who they can trust, but do other things with, like they can laugh with them, they can play with them, they can cry with them, they can sing Taylor Swift with them, all while talking about why faith matters to them and grounding everything we do in that faith and in that love from God. Um, it's a community that you really can't replicate anywhere else, in my opinion. Um, and we got a really good glimpse of that this weekend. Um, we had our fall retreat, the Allisonville Youth had a fall retreat with the Geist Youth group. And it was just really cool to see them interact and play and then talk about spiritual practices and go around and do these spiritual practice stations that Sam and I set up, and then not even an hour later, they're running, playing hide and seek and going crazy in the building. So it's a nice, like best of both worlds where they get to play and they get to be themselves, along with growing in faith and growing in their relationship with God.
SPEAKER_01So spending as as much time with Sam coming to Geist, it has allowed me the opportunity to do other things. Um, but I've spent a lot of time with youth and doing youth ministry, and oftentimes I've learned more from them than I could ever depart in whatever wisdom I have learned in in seminary or just life experiences. What's something you have learned from the youth you have served?
SPEAKER_00The one that just came to mind is that it's okay to laugh at yourself. Uh as I mentioned several times, I like to plan. I also like things to go well for me. And when they don't go well for me, I don't exactly love that. I get pretty frustrated. Um, but from my youth, when they screw things up, they just laugh at themselves. Um, and they bring their own joy out in their mistakes, and that's something that I've definitely embraced from them. Like when things go wrong, it's just like, oh, whatever, it's not the end of the world. I can laugh it off and move on, um, which is definitely something I picked up from them.
SPEAKER_01What's the craziest youth event you've attended or you have created for the youth to experience themselves? Craziest. Um, let me think.
SPEAKER_00Planning a ski trip was a lot. I planned one. I've done a couple, one in Fort Worth, and then in in Nashville at Eastwood, I did one with the Woodmot Christian Church Youth Group. And I did not realize how much work goes into planning those kinds of things. Um, I thought I was gonna lose my mind, but they all had such a great time, and I had such a great time. Um it also helped I was a better skier than all of them, but um, that was a good one.
SPEAKER_01I always think that uh with Paul says pray um pray always, uh, take youth on a ski trip or a rafting trip. Right. Uh as kind of the person in charge, you are praying constantly that everyone makes it safely down the hill or uh safely down the rapids. I mean, it is um it's exhausting after a full day because uh you care well for them, you want them to have fun, and you also don't want them to get hurt. Right. And and and a lot of the things that that you will do with them, there is always that risk, uh high ropes course. Uh, you know, I mean it's just it's it's a tough thing to do at times.
SPEAKER_02You make sure you have the medical release forms on you for that trip for sure. Very important.
SPEAKER_01Very important.
SPEAKER_02I wanted to uh ask Josh, this may be a little bit of a loaded question, but what is one thing or a couple things, or just the way that you've experienced youth seeing God that us us older, more established folks may not understand or may not think that you see God in that way. How how do how do how do they see God differently even than maybe you did at that age? Um and then how what can they teach the church with that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so every week in youth group, I we do a check-in, I ask for their rose, blossom, thorn and where they've noticed God. So rose is your high point, blossom is something you're looking forward to, and thorn is your low point. I like that. We always end with where you've noticed God. Um and I use the word notice and not like see or hear so that they can really think of all kinds of creative ways that they notice God. Um and so hearing their variety of answers week after week um kind of shows the expanse of God and how there's really no limit to where we can notice God. Um I have one kid who always says she sees God in the weather. Um I have one who typically will say he saw God in some song in worship or in some sermon or a prayer, and then another one who'll say he just saw God in his friends, or another one who saw God when he was laughing at me for doing something. So stuff like that. Um I think that's something that we can all hold on to, is that we can really notice God all over the place and notice God in those places that are important to us.
SPEAKER_02A new way to see. A new way to see.
SPEAKER_01So one of the things, just a lighthearted thing as we kind of wrap our time up together, is is any good book or television show or movie uh that uh you wanted to lift to the audience that maybe they should check out and read or or watch?
SPEAKER_02And just so you know, we both, Kyle and I both like trashy TV, so don't fear that. Don't feel like you have to give some highbrow answer.
SPEAKER_00Well, good because you're not getting one. Oh good. I think I'm watching Blockbuster on Netflix right now, and that's okay. Um, but the show I'm really into right now, I'm re-watching it, is Grace and Frankie. It's just so lighthearted and so fun, but so loving and also so deep. Um it's just it's a show you can put on and just feel better, but also not just like go mindless while you watch it. Um it's on Netflix and it has Jane Fonda in it and Lily Tomlin, so you really can't go wrong.
SPEAKER_01It's uh Sarah Renfro's favorite show. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00She's a really taste.
SPEAKER_01She yeah, she that is one of the shows that she will watch. I uh confessed.
SPEAKER_02You can hear our conversation with Sarah in episode one in our archives.
SPEAKER_01This is true. And we're uh I am behind. I she she's consumed and I uh have been late to the party, so I need to I need to work on that a little bit.
SPEAKER_02I watched the first episode of Blockbuster because I'm fascinated by the story of the last Blockbuster. It's in it's actually in Bend, Oregon in the show they put it in Michigan. And I love the concept, but like the first episode and a half, it's it's a little I don't know, there's something I feel like they could have done more with it.
SPEAKER_00Trevor Burrus, Jr. That's what I think. I watched, I've made it through I think two or three. See, I can't even remember. Um the first one I really liked. I was like, oh, this could be good. And it's just kind of been like a slow decline. Maybe it'll pick up as I finish the first season if I finish it.
SPEAKER_01But there may be something there as Blockbuster was a slow decline. Trevor Burrus, Jr. That's true. And unwilling to adapt. Um I feel like the church, maybe uh there's a lot of institutions that probably could learn a lot from uh a case study on Blockbuster. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_00Then maybe we should all just watch Blockbuster instead.
SPEAKER_01Probably there's probably wisdom there. Probably is. So uh we'll we'll leave you with this last question. Okay. Uh if you could ask God one question, what would that question be?
SPEAKER_00Aaron Ross Powell Will TCU make the college football playoffs? Aaron Ross Powell Yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So let's do this roll. Now obviously this will air, but all right, Josh, TCU plays Kentucky in football. Who are you taking?
SPEAKER_00TCU.
SPEAKER_02All right, TCU plays Georgia in football. Who are you taking? TCU. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01That's a bold statement. Bold statement. Aaron Powell And you know what? You will never see a uh Kentucky TCU game, but there is a chance that you could see a Georgia TCU football game. So I am I am eager uh to see that play out on the national stage. Um we have had a Georgia TCU game. The Liberty Bowl. The Liberty Bowl.
SPEAKER_00It didn't go very well for TCU, but maybe it was Kirby Smart's first year.
SPEAKER_02I went. I sat in a miserable cold. So yeah, Josh, thank you for being here. We really appreciate it. Uh we're honored that you're our first friend willing to come on and be on the podcast. And um just grateful for you and know that we uh continue to pray and hope your ministry at Allisonville is a great blessing. It is already uh blessing even our community, this retreat last weekend with the Geist Youth, and um, we're just grateful for your friendship.
SPEAKER_00Well, thanks for having me. It's been so fun being your first friend here. I'm glad y'all are friends.
SPEAKER_01Thanks, Josh.
SPEAKER_00Thanks, Josh.
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