Sacred Sitdowns
Sharing one’s personal story is sometimes hard, but it is holy. Sacred Sitdowns seeks to allow a safe space for faith-filled conversations with members and friends of Geist Christian Church. Hosts Kyle Brown and Danny Gulden hope that all those who hear will be enlightened and inspired. Listen with us. You’ll be glad you did.
Sacred Sitdowns
Rev. Kelley Dick
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Today we sit down with one of the most energetic and fun-loving pastors we know. She is a former Geist Christian Church staff member and currently serves at Saguaro Christian in Tucson, Arizona. She is the Rev. Kelley Dick. In her own words, she is a senior minister, wife to Jay Deskins, and dog lover. She is passionate about life, ministry, pizza, and the Wildcats. Don't ask which one.
Let us tell you a story.
SPEAKER_02A story that will transform, enlighten, challenge, and change how we see the world. My name is Kyle Brown. And I'm Danny Goolden. And we'd like to welcome you to Sacred Sit Downs. A conversational podcast that explores how the Spirit of God moves within this world through the power of story.
SPEAKER_01In today's episode, we will sit down with a member or friend of Geist Christian Church as they share their dynamic, faith-filled story.
SPEAKER_02We hope you will be enlightened and inspired by the words shared today. This is Sacred Sit Downs.
SPEAKER_01Well, hello, Danny. How are you? Hello, Kyle. I'm doing great. How are you doing? I'm doing great, man. We are on location again. We have an opportunity to travel with some colleagues at least once a year and pray and care well for one another. And uh today we have uh the Reverend Kelly Dick on with us. Uh those in Geist may remember Kelly who served uh on staff. It's actually the reason that Sarah and I found our way to Geist um almost seven and a half years ago. And uh it was a joy to to work alongside you. We had we we have some pretty good memories there, but also some I've known Kelly for a really long time. Danny, I know you've known Kelly.
SPEAKER_02I met Kelly when she was in college.
SPEAKER_01And for those that don't know Kelly, like the first time I went and saw uh Hamilton, the amount of words used in Hamilton is like four times what a typical musical has.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01Because of the style. Yep. For those that know Kelly, this may have more words per minute than we have had in any other podcast up until this point.
SPEAKER_02That's correct. But like Hamilton, Kelly always has something to say with those words.
SPEAKER_01And I'm glad you all are in the room where it happens because today, uh, you know what? Uh let's start off. It usually when we have uh fellow uh clergy on, we like to hear a little bit about their story. Like how what's their call stories, we like to call it. Um, so would you share us a little bit about how you came to be uh Reverend Kelly Dick?
SPEAKER_00Sure. And hi y'all. I am so glad to be here with y'all. It is a great, lovely day here in Nashville, Tennessee. So when I was a young kid, I was a part of a church in a very rural small town in Kentucky. And we went to this church because my mama went to this church, and this church took care of my family. They helped pay for my mom's school, they helped get them to school church because my mom didn't have a my grandma didn't have a license. And so this church was really, really, really important. And then one day we got kicked out of that said church because my parents got a divorce. And so we started looking for another church. By we, I really mean me, because I just like to be around people. I wanted to be around people my age, people older than me. And so I kept trying to get my mom to go to church. And she would take me and drop me off like lots of parents do. And eventually, though, she had a conversation with the custodian at my high school. My mom was a special ed teacher, and Charlie Stone said, You should try my church. And the rest, as they say, is history. And from there, the church gave me all sorts of opportunities to live my life into my call. They gave me opportunities to speak on a microphone in a front of a bunch of adults as I was 13 years old, and they trusted me with that microphone. So the church really um empowered and embraced who I was that allowed me to think perhaps this is a calling in my life. Perhaps God has something in store for me with church. Not sure what it is, but there's something there. So that started the whole process, and then there's all sorts of tangents and route routes and journeys that go with it.
SPEAKER_02So I want to lift up something here for folks is that without Charlie Stone, you probably would not be sitting here talking to us today as the Reverend Kelly Dick. Or him just simply saying, Come to my church.
SPEAKER_00Between Charlie Stone and Whitney Settles. So Whitney Settles was this kid that sat next to me in church that very first Sunday that I went, and she was one of the coolest kids at school. And she talked to me at church and at school the next day. And I'm like, I'm going back to that church forever because I want to be Whitney's friend. Who cares about Jesus? I want to be Whitney's friends.
SPEAKER_02Whitney will lead you to Jesus.
SPEAKER_00There we go. So between Whitney and Charlie Stone, then they have they have a lot of credit to be given.
SPEAKER_02So you you said your parents, your family, your parents got kicked out of a church when they got a divorce, and you we uh you enjoy being around people. What um I'm impressed that that you watching your family get kicked out of a church and yet you you still wanted to look for another church, but it sounds like you're you know, no one else in the family did, but you did, right? So how did that uh what what what kept you in church really is maybe the best way to ask it, other than Whitney Settles.
SPEAKER_00Right. I think what kept me in church is that especially within the disciple church that we ended up landing in, um, people asked me questions and they actually listened. Like I was a young kid and I was running around and I was just living life and I talked a whole lot. I had the nickname Motormouth. And so as I'm running my mouth, I would say questions to people and they would actually look at me and answer them. And then they would turn back and ask me questions. And at that time in Bardstown, Kentucky, adults and kids they didn't really talk to each other primarily because they were scared of one another. But at this church, like it all meshed together. Like we didn't have youth groups or children's worship and wonder. We didn't have children's ministry, like everybody was right there in the middle of it all. And they actually cared about one another. And I saw something greater than that because um I had a little bit of a rocky childhood um with my dad, but with my mom, like her being very present, she became very much a um a guiding force once we decided to be a part of this church. She really embraced it and really loved being a part of it.
SPEAKER_01So, what was the shift for your mom in that process? So you you said that you came first and then there was a point where she began to join you in this community. What do you know what the story is behind that of what made that shift for mom to want to uh instead of just drop you off, walk through the doors?
SPEAKER_00You know, I really think that um it was Charlie Stone. I really think someone outside of our family was able to see something and then say something. And so I think with Charlie saying to my mom, maybe you should try this church, my mom having been burned by a church, I'm surprised she said yes. But she did. And um, so me, my sister, and my mom began this church. So I think it was just the fact that someone asked her directly, and I don't think anyone had before.
SPEAKER_01And I love I love as just the energy that you talk about, Charlie Stone and and these folks, like and and Danny, you mentioned it. Somebody asked, like the power of a person saying, Hey, why don't you join me? Um I love the image of no uh prerequisites, you know. Hey, do you check all these boxes before I want you to come? I just see that that you're looking for something. And I think the church that I attend has something to offer you and your family that will be life-giving. And and it has for us because here we are sitting around this table.
SPEAKER_00Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Um, and how you have continued to live that call out. Um, you know, one of the things that we all know is uh you being a rambunctious, uh, uh a uh uh fun-loving kid. Energetic. Energetic. That's a great word, Danny. Um youth ministry has been an important part. I mean, that's that's where our paths have crossed uh many times. Uh I knew uh I met you back in like when they were doing regional events. I think you were a freshman at Eureka College, right? Yeah. And I was a senior at at uh Lynchburg, and we were both representing our schools at a Kentucky Triennium. Triennium. That's right. And uh since then I have known you and you are known within many circles. And as your church listens to this, they've seen you do youth. But I mean, that's how I uh you have done such good work with youth. What what has youth taught you uh in your ministry? What have you learned from kids?
SPEAKER_00Oh, the better question should be what haven't I learned from them? I I think more than anything, having served the majority of my ministerial career working with teenagers and listening to their voices and seeing how they understand the world and how they experience Christ and what does that feel like and look like? Um, it's taught me how to be a minister. Um, being able to be around a lot of people who often don't have the chance to speak on the microphone because still people don't want to listen to five-year-olds talk about Jesus because they don't really know what they're talking about. Or 13-year-olds who just got in trouble at school who have a still very strong faith. Well, that kid got in trouble. They can't have a strong faith. And I wanted to explode all of that. I wanted to blow it up and say, no, look, if we're gonna really be the church, we're going to be the church and we're gonna have all voices lifted up. And so my journey to help provide a voice for the voiceless is what I said at the time began with young people because I knew what it was like to have my voice heard. And so I wanted to make sure that there are other opportunities for that. And so um that continued that entire journey of mission trips and reworking them to agape trips, to having small groups, to doing youth ministry, to doing children's ministry, to having youth lead worship on a regular Sunday and not just a youth sundae helped me to see that church was much bigger than um that little church that kicked us out.
SPEAKER_02So you're uh at Swaro Christian Church in Tucson Eiros. I said that right, Sawaro. We did. All right, I've been practicing for weeks. Not Sigaro. No, not Sigaro. And a Saguaro is what?
SPEAKER_00It's a cactus.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02And they're all over.
SPEAKER_00They're all over. And the Sonoran Desert is where they are original.
SPEAKER_01Now are they short, squatty, tall, lean? Like is there a certain thing. Do you look to them? Prickly?
SPEAKER_00They're very prickly. I wouldn't touch them. They would hurt you.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02All right. Um, so down there, different contexts and ministry context than uh you've been in before. Uh where are you seeing God on the move in that, in that community? Where is where is God moving through your church, the community you're serving, and and some of the work you're doing right now?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um it's interesting that you ask about God on the move and where's God moving? Because a lot of my um ministry there has been about migration, about immigrating, about what does it mean to cross boundaries and borders. And um, instead of me thinking about how do I provide a voice for the voiceless, I'm thinking more about how can I hand you the microphone? How can I share with you? What is it that really needs to be done, and how is it that I am uniquely equipped to be helpful?
SPEAKER_02And you all, just so people know, you're about an hour, hour and a half north of the uh United States-Mexico border.
SPEAKER_00At Nogales, there's a Nogales Sonora and Nogales, um, Arizona, and there is a wall there, and it is a walkable border and boundary that you can cross. Um, sometimes they ask for your ID, sometimes they don't. Um, but they always ask when you come to America. So anytime I've gone to Mexico, sometimes they want to know where I'm from. But every time I come back into America, they want to know that I'm supposed to be here, that I'm allowed to be here, that there's some reason why I'm here. Um when at one point they um Nogales was Nogales, and people from Mexico and Arizona could migrate back and forth and cross back and forth, and and both communities thrived. But now neither community's thriving because life.
SPEAKER_02Wow. That's powerful.
SPEAKER_01I mean, that's uh So what ways are your is your church lifting up immigration? How how do you I I mean uh in um a book I recently read, uh one of his jobs was to tell stories. I mean, he's a storyteller and and telling story on immigration, and so they are they are finding stories of folks, dreamers, folks that have been here that that their parents have brought them and now they have lived longer here. Some of you know, I'm too uh I'm too American to be uh El Salvadorian or Mexican and and I'm too I I'm I'm not from this country and so I'm not American. Um but he talks about uh reporters being there and a lady looks and says, use your privilege to go over and get the microphone. Um and so I'm curious how your church uses their microphone to give voice to those that are scared, fearful, or unable to to to voice that, maybe in a public setting.
SPEAKER_00Great question. Um So one of the reasons why I left Geist was because that voice for the voiceless had begun to change. And so I began starting to hear people differently. And in fact, there is a family from Geist that um really sparked for me the immigration story about the fear that they felt, about the life that they lived, and about the way that they embraced me as part of their family. And so that I knew was possible for everybody. And so Sawaro does several things to help with that. Um, one is we created a nonprofit called Soul Food Initiatives, primarily so that uh minority and um startups and low-income restaurants and caterers could have a place to cook because we have a community kitchen. And they were able to then create 75 four-person meals every single day for two or every single weekend for two years during the pandemic. And they went out and so the church members would drive them out. There was sometimes people would come up and pick them, but more often than not, we didn't ask for any sort of demographics, but we visually could see and we could visualize we could audio hear. And so we started seeing and hearing, um, which then sparked us to kind of think a little bit differently, like how can the table continue to set tables everywhere else? And so we work with Youth on Our Own, which is a um an organization for homeless teenagers, and primarily the most homeless teenagers that we have in Tucson happen to be um from Mexico and um our LGBTQ. And so there's a whole dynamic around what that looks like. And we are doing Connect this year, which is gonna be a um a really interesting experiment, I think, because um not only are we gonna have people from outside of Tucson come into Sawaro to be a part of it, but we're gonna go on experiences with them. We're gonna talk to a medical examiner who finds people in the desert after they've died trying to cross. Like we're gonna talk to organizations that give water in the desert and then see how that water gets kicked over and destroyed by people who are supposed to be protecting us. And so we get to be a part of all of these stories because I think God is bigger than all of that. I think that there is this love that causes us to have to ask those questions and therefore causes us to act. And so, very much so, this love and action, this love and movement, this love doesn't just stand still. And so that's been a whole big part of my ministry as as I've traveled around lots of places, like my my love is moving. Um, but it's interesting because I feel now there's a series of learning, what does it mean to stand still? And so, in the midst of me moving, in the midst of me um understanding immigration a little bit differently and how that works with our faith, I am also learning what does it mean to be rooted, to be planted. Um very interesting time to be um to be church in a in Arizona.
SPEAKER_02So it sounds like you're giving people, uh, thinking back to the invitation you received to go to church as a kid, it's almost that um gospel of John called the disciples, the come and see, just come and see. And really, it sounds like through the work at you're doing at Swaro through Connect, um, which our high school youth went to Connect uh last year in Fort Worth and had a mission experience there. Uh, but it's it's come and see. I could tell you this, you can see it on the news, you can read about it, but it's really powerful when you just simply come and see for yourself what this is like and what other people's lives are like.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, because very much so my coming and seeing showed up in the form of a story between a family and me. And that invited me to come and see in ways that I had never thought were possible for me. Like I never thought that I would do anything other than youth ministry. And here I am serving as a senior pastor of a local congregation. I never thought I would do anything other than have mission trips every single day of the summer. And now I'm the one like creating and designing those so that other people have those experiences. It's it's just fascinating the way that God continues to work and stir within us all.
SPEAKER_02So God is moving in your life and ministry bigger than you would have ever created a story for yourself for God to move. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Um, and the same for my family. So not only um when we moved from Indiana to Arizona, uh, my husband, Jay, and I still have our adorable dog, Maybelline. Adorable dog. Adorable dog Maybelline. And now Maybelline has a sister named Canella. Now, a funny story about Canela, her name originally was Bella, and we didn't want a Bella dog because there are lots of Bella dogs around us, but we knew it had to have an Ella sound because we wanted the dog to know her name.
SPEAKER_02Under your umbrella. Umbrella Bella Ella.
SPEAKER_00So Canela came, and do you know what Canela is? It's Spanish for cinnamon.
SPEAKER_01Really? How about that?
SPEAKER_00I hope I said it right.
SPEAKER_01Well, they can always email us, but we don't ever provide the email for that.
unknownThat's right.
SPEAKER_02We're like the professor I had in seminary that uh put his office hours on the door that just said call for office hours, but didn't list a phone number. Um so Kelly, you are you were you are uh energetic, you were busy. Um how how are you able to slow down? What's prayer life like for you? Because I think many people resonate with your kind of drive and and and the way you approach and live life. And so when you need to slow down and you need to pray and you need to kind of connect to God that way, um either what does that look like for you or what is a is that a struggle for you? Um how does that look?
SPEAKER_00Do you want me to tell you the truth or lie to you?
SPEAKER_01Well, I think we want the truth. The truth how about this? What is truth and what is hoped for? How about both of those could be, you know, what is your truth now, but what do you hope it could be? Because I think that's I think everybody thinks pastors have it all together, right? And we're we're so good at all these things that people want to to do, and in in in all honesty, um sometimes we're not very good at them at all. So what's your truth and what is your hoped for?
SPEAKER_02And if people don't like your truth, they can email us at the unpublished email address and we'll be glad to absolutely feedback.
SPEAKER_00Call for office hours. Call for office hours. So it's interesting. I um I feel fairly confident about a lot of things that I get to do and about a lot of responsibilities that I'm entrusted with. But one thing that I know for certain that I'm not really great at, and that is directions. So occasionally when I'm feeling really anxious or really over the top or not quite sure what to do, I go and I get lost. Like I will have a trail or a hike that I'll do or a walk, but I'll just get lost and I'll allow myself to think whatever's gonna come. I'll allow myself to pay attention to whatever I want to pay attention to. And I just continue to do that. And at some point, I decide it's time to turn around and go back home. But I just get lost. And I that helps me to be in a situation without control. It helps me to surrender to something larger than myself, and it allows me the space to figure it out. Now, what I wish I could do would be to like, you know, do meditation for 30 minutes. It'd be great to be able to do that, or like to be able to evoke some sort of beautiful song from the depth of my gut, but I can't really sing. So what I got now is just getting lost and it works for me at the moment.
SPEAKER_01Which is amazing because most people, I mean, that is such a non-traditional response because I don't like to be lost. I like to know exactly where I'm at, which is why I always have my GPS. I don't I if I'm going on a hike, I want to know what the end is. I I matter of fact, I get extremely anxious in the midst of a hike. I meant Sarah and I did one in the Red River Gorge once, and and we always took the youth to a certain point and we walked back. And I was like, we have time, let's keep going. And I remember going, we've made a horrible decision by by continuing because I was unable to suspend and just be. I mean, I wanted to know. And so I think there is such an authenticity with that response that most people are uncomfortable being lost.
SPEAKER_02Well, there's something about um the ground telling you where you are rather than a map telling you where you are. Wow. All right. So, and I think one of the things that um Kelly, I think people will resonate with your answer because I think part of the reason a lot of people don't pray is they think, well, I don't know how to, or I can't, or I don't have enough time. And so I think there's some honesty in that and saying, hey, sometimes you just need to look down, see where you're at, take a few minutes, give thanks for that, and do whatever comes natural to you. I mean, prayer does not have to prayer does not have to be pretty, it's often kind of gritty. And it means it might be perfect. Well, and it doesn't have to be perfect. Right. Right.
SPEAKER_01The perfect prayer is it's it's it's an it's a a pouring out of soul that is not necessarily um poetic. Right.
SPEAKER_00But I can give you two hints. The first is I schedule it so I know I'm gonna do it, and then the second is is I drop a pen so I always know how. To get back home. And so I think those things that always bring us back home are those things that we have to continue reminding, like this group here in Nashville today, and the ways in which friends show up for each other, the ways in which um community members show up for one another, like always knowing how to get back home. And sometimes we need extra people to help us do that. So I'll go and get lost, but I always know how to get back home.
SPEAKER_01That's really good. That was good too. That was really good. It's who you're with, it's what you're doing.
SPEAKER_02Um It's whatever you might identify as a spiritual center.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Very much so.
SPEAKER_01And and the holy is there.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, absolutely. Even in the midst of like taking the wrong turn three times. Well why am I taking that wrong turn three times? Maybe it's the right turn every single time.
SPEAKER_02And by whose definition is it the wrong turn?
SPEAKER_00Preach. Because the rules are fake, right?
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_02Now we're gonna start meddling in people's lives.
SPEAKER_01They're like, all right, I was I was on until you now you're yeah, you that's pretty good. Thank you. Thank you for that. I so you have uh continue to adapt and change. You know, we love to talk about how um how God is is not just moving, but how you have changed your understanding of God. Uh and I assume some of it is rooted from your years of working with young people and the ways in which they see the world and our older folks and everyone in between. Um, so how has the way you looked at God, um, approached God, changed for you throughout um ministry?
SPEAKER_00Well, as cliche as it might sound, I have always felt that God is love, but I know that love looks different depending upon context, who you're with, what that feels like. Um, and so a lot of the ways that my understanding of God has morphed and changed over the years happens to be because of the people that I'm around. I try really hard to be present in the space that I am so that I could hear fully what's being said, what's not being said, what's being looked at, what's not being looked at. And so my understanding of God um shifted to a much more holistic view of God, um, which is part of why I get lost when I went to pray. I'm very Saint Francis of that idea. But then also like, I anytime I think that I've nailed God down, that I have figured out what God is, what God looks like, what God feels like, how I know that God is talking to me, how I understand God to be in the world, something happens to remind me that I'm not in control. Something happens to remind me of who God is. And it's different than anything else I've thought about. For example, um, one time we were crossing the border and we were having a conversation. There's two of us, and we were having a cross conversation with one of the border agents. Now, truth be told, we all have our own understanding of what does that look like and what does that feel like. But in the midst of this conversation, this border agent talked about the family that he most recently helped get their asylum approval. He talked about the ways that he uses his position to help people be safe and to help people make stories. And so to be able to see a person who is wearing a uniform that often gets very judgmental glances, often get very judgmental looks, and yet he says something so profound and so holy that it causes me for a moment to stop and think, God is so much bigger than anything I've ever understood it to be. And I have to allow myself to let that bigness continue to grow and shape, otherwise I get stagnant, and then my community gets stagnant, and then my friends get stagnant, and then I can't see anything other than what's in front of me.
SPEAKER_02Well, we are we are people of boundaries and borders and lines. I mean, we live our lives, right? Um we live our lives around those type of things. And then when you see something like that, you realize those are things that we've created, not God.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02God does not look at the world the same way we do. Aaron Powell Right.
SPEAKER_00And in all of the stories, especially in the first testament, in the old testament, there are stories of travel, of journey, of migration, of movement. It has always been our story, and yet we find ways to stop that movement, whether that's by creating a program or a policy, whether that's creating a barrier or a border, whether that's saying you're allowed, but you're not allowed. Like we want to full stop. But that's not, I think, who God is. I think God is much more of a yes, y'all come, instead of no, you can't come, but yes, you can.
SPEAKER_02And the gospels don't really tell us much about Jesus' home life because, as best as we can tell, he he he was on the move.
SPEAKER_00Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Constantly. So well, Kelly, we like to finish uh each episode of the podcast by asking our guest a question and don't feel like you need to have a highbrow answer to this because you will be in good company. But what's a what's a book or a podcast or a television show uh that you enjoy watching that you would like to or reading or listening to that you would uh like to share uh with our audience?
SPEAKER_00So I'll preface this by saying the reason why I watch TV or movies is so it doesn't make my brain hurt. So I can essentially like turn my brain off and not have to think about anything because I think all of the time. So one of the shows that I watch is keeping up with the Kardashians. Um I will say this, and then I will say that my husband watches wrestling and it's both of our reality TV show. We both get it. It's great.
SPEAKER_02Your husband will tell you that wrestling is is male soap opera.
SPEAKER_00It absolutely is. Yep, it absolutely is. Real soap opera. But most recently I have gotten into the um newest season of Gossip Girl, and it's really um a very interesting look, especially at um students who are in middle school and high school today. And so that's been a just a really great um show to watch, as well as, you know, sometimes you just flip on and you watch Shark Tank um or tattoo redo or you know, just random things. But Monday is spent watching ridiculous TV that's not gonna make my brain hurt.
SPEAKER_02There is a show called Tattoo. I have not seen that.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh, so let me tell you about it. So tattoo redo, basically what happens is say you and I were we're friends. So not not say we are friends.
SPEAKER_02Let's say we like that.
SPEAKER_01I like that was a hypothetical. I mean it's just say we're friends. I mean we are, but I could tolerate you.
SPEAKER_00But say you have a tattoo and say it's hideous, and say you've always thought it was hideous, and I've always thought it was hideous. So there's this TV show where you can say, Hey, there's this tattoo, can you redo it? They look at whatever, blah, blah, blah. Bring you in. But you know what's fun? Who do you think gets to pick the tattoo that is being redone?
SPEAKER_02The friend.
SPEAKER_00The friend. And so they have to think about what is it that's going to go on the body. And some of these tattoos are just absolutely phenomenal. And I kind of think that in some ways that can be what it's like to be faithful is that whoever we are before, it's still present. Like it's still there. But what we do is we continue to live our lives over it, but it we're still affected by it. And so this idea of, you know, tattoo redoing, it's still who we are. It's still a part of life. But now perhaps it just shows up a little bit differently.
SPEAKER_02Wow. You just made something beautiful out of uh tattoo redo.
SPEAKER_00I know.
SPEAKER_02And it makes me want to go watch it. So now I gotta go check it out. Yeah. I gotta add it to my uh ice road truckers viewing queue or something.
SPEAKER_00And here you didn't want a highbrow answer.
SPEAKER_01Well, it ended up being one. One of your gifts is is really taking lowbrow TV and finding highbrow meaning in it. I mean, I it is a recurring theme. It's you find a depth in some shows that may not have a whole lot, which is a gift. I mean, I I think there is depth in it, but I just am not going to spend the middle energy to find it. And there you are, like, oh man, you should you should see it through this lens.
SPEAKER_00And I'm like, for someone who watches TV, so her brain doesn't think. It's a remarkable thing.
SPEAKER_01I was about to say your brain kind of thought on that. I did. A little yeah, I did.
SPEAKER_00I did no, but and it didn't think, it just came, so you know.
SPEAKER_01Well, Kelly, it has been a joy. I know folks um at in at Geist and others, it just hearing y'all and that Southern Twang and And now they know that Kelly and I aren't actually friends.
SPEAKER_02Here we are. You can edit that part out, right?
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, but all the things that make you you is such a gift. And I'm so thankful, we are so thankful that you were able to come and join us today uh to share a little bit about your story and um what you're doing now in Tucson and the good work of of lifting up other stories as they migrate and and what does it look like for us to continue to give them voice? So thank you for doing that. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Thanks for having me on, y'all. See you soon.
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