אילה דקל על ציונות, נשיות ומזרחיות

אילה דקל, סופרת, חוקרת ומרצה למחשבה יהודית וציונית מתארחת אצלינו לפרק חדש שמתחיל בסיפורה האישי של ההוגה והסופרת ז'קלין כהנוב. משם המשכנו לשיחה מרתקת על נשים בציונות, על ציונות מזרחית ועל אתגרי הציונות בהקשרים הללו ואחרים. 

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Shalom Buhima Bain, la podcast, Chuvatinha Limit, Bet and Honeyday and Dear Podcast, Chemir Tunut Glee Natal.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Almabecarab, Mitochola Sipurim Shipulan, Venchovich and Havashibriash, Jaclin Kianov, Mashelo Sipruli, E Alam Sheimeno, Mishpah, Ebemashikzati Shirum, Ksegiu Arza, as Jaclin Kianov Bamvanaze, a gamlim douti a mona velgamsiprali mashuala sipur, sheltionuta mizrachit, shelobidyuksipuruto. As Nikramena? Nana.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Nikova hatun to the bergal nashimbatsio mashionose no sewet.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Boregana gidina ni hagam de bergsafto shri, a val, shtia saftut, a val andibin shaklin canov a ktavimsha lopusum be vrit, bechaea, the lozahtala idnazuimikri ultakacha, beatseme katwaba and glitz e the tith, ebipulsemura kmhariu ter bevrit. Vzegamken andvar, shitle teta la vetadat, veregale vinoto, arbamim nashim, anaknukuroti tektavim shele magavkumhaute busil, rakachremutan, velobekhayehen. Baetem jeklim kyanov, ea text che baharlovimzavamikra e umidberal ya ducela. Hadachela anu e tagum le shon mistorich tfilota kuya ivrit, shirak gvarim omrim umivinimotan, the kvari lokartotanula olama yudiazil kartotanugam lemkomshu e gvri, eve tishalatashe lokta il shelamkomshela kei shapo, vanyotafkaledaleg, lezechi meterchi olechet la baychel sabashela, vemimeno ilumerit mazbe etemayadut, ve misaperech etmunochel mamashloha yubi veitoshil saba, zayabhez kat isu, ki be met en bethbalato muslimyot enne pesal kol tmuna, avalayushnegvilim ktuvim tunimbe misgerit, a la kira peshut be misuyadla van, shira iti tamid beharimit roshila harushekibalti birikatoshil saba. Asitedamyenoitmunain fneset labachel saba ymorida rochi mikbed bracha, ksi mrimarta roch, yuat shnegvilim, bi uuterit ma'am, gwilchhadze asserta di brot, bivrit, viomerit, shagvilze, eloin tanli mushek shem shulba mitbar, ubahemne maribneadam tovya marazu tumarat gwilchad shely, aserta di brocheladu chimatovemara odmuserit, critzgamken debanstichasimlepoze khoserba ktavim shelarbe, bagwilashenia tzarat balfurbe and glit, ubane marki olechet ve kreva, echuvenul aritemuvtachat. So ztmunai feifiya, shemiteris be metsionukmizrachit, masortit, shebai migiya illochya beolam de ti, and gavh shovla gidbser mitzraimamash cosmopolitit, echaya beolam showe emskil, gamasabimbasaftu chelichayubolamskil, gaman shimlamdu, bekaru katwuvia kol, vebitochum komze, yeshetayadun tvieshetonut, vembishhnegvili mhadle de sheni, itmashikibal numavotovutenu, itmashanachnum, otimsimli shanot, verotimla sot, verotzim geme lhadesh. When chuchula mashimani, batsionuta mizrachitma sortit she ethaltla gidala mashushira, zadvarashai matzionuta europait, shkinazitnikralala, dibrabmam kom shele altishmabni musar av veletorat em al ozentat, nasimbatzade tatora ve kacha, nelekadimazionut, zionuta mzrachitam sortit lom deberit kacha, imhzitash negvilim, gvilchad shomer zionut, the gvilchad shomeria adut, gvilom emchit asakad me badir.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

Sofaraz med you arsaela, kem avalbaba sichela, zekpaat nunamadima, tsakla ged shamba tionut kilo, a ropita kai aklasit, ayuzma mim shemlo you mardani, the shemhit su to theatareti foot, avalato de ataretifutas at gansham, yesval shaver, shekilo, itho lelel be ofter minori, et the adutomizrahit, velakem, kilo akmunameto refetashle sh la simetibro, kilo sh the siassiim shradavarti uhlam veleade balfu, the var shek iluloya, inishu dia yao said, ya kyukatki matlech is the shamsekilo damama sortia clasia saba imazakanchare, who the varde madim?

SPEAKER_01 7:29

F anotem liotayo.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Fimotayon and shimitsunut, anaknuksha mikrashia sibala podcasterze the text team texting finachinashi loki tsari hit nashi kirutin, the gaven with a bit colakolo in so tavdali head of sale, the odkamayotka call manigats inut the cut verti nut spa nashim shumone got the mispa text mut a text him yesh shenashim they mukbed it.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Any shimba at kufazi and yegitas a kaad yesh a yunashim harubenashim but kufazha. Ben shit on the lomani gamketvu bolto, ainan loef item, belowfu katav temafilo, ainyan withhad nimila medi, shtime as autoritanut nimleze. Ani a tellas erga kamisverim. A sefarishonchikatavtia baita lochazor, ugamtionut, velotti nuk misrahit m sortit, wumisaperbemate the sipulchel mishpahasheli. So vrega nyegin shia safto shelly, a sabba the safto shelly a yuchovarim shne ba mterterita yudit be mitraim. The safto sheli aita e zoti shikuttevet eta itonimita alunim, sedel shakil kuba mahtherete e vishemlamduitam shirim shel biali kolmine kaele, the sala kelle bigalmichonota ktivy likshetfsutam vechni sutam lakele, basofini sharabhutski, uhreshima, pofiaket toni, the tonize fortuna, lem khashbush tonize giver, mlochipsu isha. Lamani regal meritzeita kidab mechelo tofsuta, kiksha annachnu kushwim the sachliz korg shakum debrim, alefneo termimashana, saider, anachnu lonin saimbit kufashabalba lenashim, yeshdri saft regal baulan, verbe mi ama pchab sofosh the vargambit tohhatsio nuchel nshim, karta halka, nitenle zerega o duguma, sedir, jaklin kyanov limashal, kshe kutevit, selvikwal kutevit with kufazu be mitrang bhishamas kila, omrinla afikadu thatanitachin tumshikika, atla chola, liotwama komze, the mattihagabi meforsemeta romanchela zuhali pasimba New York, Ba'arit'lo, the baarithalometer gimimot orivrit veloko imuta ki la ifha lishma bichladita kolazen. Sonikanas kiralanush gambaolama yudi, yesh, filo odir, and yagide badinut, gvulot, saidir, le cole n shi, vezi masha niak latlaat, busel, megia arza, ymegea arza, kidei, liot gambakom shyela keishia term shivoni. Bazi Megala, shom nam, echlifa tzeferatura, ba assefa etaminian, aban nashim nisha robotamakom, the lukeh arbezman, ajematzlichot, le shanlot, etap paradigmazot, gamber shit at zionot, apoalot lonek shavu, emlo em shiruta poalim, mlonh shavu lonisperuke poalot, yashponashim shu, a monomon kideshre, bem ketvuyomanim, banimftirabecha, la trilikota yomanim balyashnya yesha ubeomanimhtavim, lothisaper el chapesibimlo, themlau ma majj michotlich tovidzikacha. Aval ken, yesh yomanim, yeshmichtavim, yeshme comot sh be mkatvu bepalu, and kuthingadakem efor the khapes.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Likroha gut, likro shim shikatu philosophia klimat. The anashim is supported a sipurjlen vele khaletna sipura ishia tara ayon sho medna chorei, the kilumangenon nosaf shetarichla sotven shabuche pishla shuva nimi tse philosophia v the kilo and kimat philosophia, the zadai lord the gamadorochomatmeon, avaleshin lome atkva nashim kotvat, vel khaletna aktivasha and it a haguchila n suchhezot misima, vezis the kilo, khele k mizesh nashim nich sula atmosfera uhurit, tarifla khilet zeshera yonot mufin the colminetu wot velora ke philosophias dua elegam kisipul shame chhorav mit khabera yon.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Any magit the sera philosophias dua, sha nachmu kuri mla philosophis dua z sofgum kyao lam mitnahel bikodim gavrim, beze kod me odmod gavri, e dvora baron katva, agav beinai yesham tfisam odmod iudit me odman yenit vaktivashela, shemit katevet mbialik ve mehadaam, the filo brenervalbucheret bhira khelet, vegam echelameshoreet, verbelke mindaska nashim e she pirsemu, nachomsteklot betachma doroze andashim she oloit chatmu osheloyulen yeledim. Kiliot ima, vegam that'slehliot isha shebe met nimzete kedmute ziburit, zabiltif share, the peshutayamashubiltif share, tsichriz korita metsi uchaita az Banachuthemli stikel qua paradigmota ele, webeetem limzodech acheret, kedilishmuaitamilim shhehenam rubota kufa, velorak dercha paradigmota gavriotam kwa botlem.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Basefoshelach, me via dmutkazoti, mitochyumani, msefar, seperzipo reason.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Le kyuta? Khayuta Busel andi gilitio talegamri mikre, andi la madi be mahonhartman, bitochnitrabelut Israelich, and hartman vamidrashabani, bayanu shio khalutin, bitoka shewa chalutin, bita machat, motizaira is kirit kyuta busel, vetayomanchela, vanya rosheli pushut nidlak, ve azalartilarchion dganya, bethalti krota, we kethalti krota, shigamashata, ktsacha nachumprim, u elanumusag, nachnubiklalom vinim, pitom karati, kithati krota, pitom karati tsiyonut, sheloikati, kenachumbrimal, kibusha shmira, vi kibusha vodav, koladvarimel, avalmina deberal, la ledit, de biganya, shithilata mia kudemit, blibetholim, blier, pidoral, bliirofebli shundevar, zolozionut, echzenira, al la ezlach zikmachrisha, al chavata, a la mot, a la zechemisul shlechriat, gvarim gamla sotquisa, kedeshedomhem you flu, el chlovita para piton kratio lam sheltionutlegamre, annipishut nishbiti bakesem shela be met be met shbeti bakesem shela, verz kaitiliktovota, evanya krirak mishpatihadni mashi kutevet sefer, and ykri mishpati khajela, shibog. Shaboi shumimgameta kamaimskila, echi duverit i vritmadhim, the echimit katevit game textim midrashim, ayudim, we kutevit luhayu call hayamimza nechalim dio. The call ha itsim she baulam itim, the call ha anashima yukutwim, doayakwah, litposit a chelec, mikolmasha varelai, the kamuman farfrazalemidrash mi shira shirim, aval ikutevit madhim, ksofte de mien, imrak, ayala, misushishmora iudim, kedeshi to khale liotbemek suferitovga mamrite suferit erza madim zahodiot macham.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Ani gasovatyonotamizrachit be shutech oditga, kiushishovani ki metl khutefan yagijat gamle orecha talishana mikraatma, khzak kolasman shte ako elakan soupni ma the shelonek zorotam lech le shachzev dechamikrait, kolatextima zebish the isdanut betem le soteta msbiret na tbita hevet, velakni se tionut misrafit ve ve ve po kilo menotilishmoita masheshla gid dafkanab sora bon deber kilo kadimola vela vela shkachaviko misavival kolmashekore mimafka bali the verelatikovala. Zelotonimika, stiha dafka is the nuceh ba ba tel texti mba guta tionet is refit, bba khuruchela beachasloana givin the bertionut the the machwa chila tio my khujala, bma tetasmanchelanu, shame kolakovodle khada amer thule, as yashla mashu kadash ve od ak aktuali na gido relevantila gidla noyom.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

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