"The Music We Keep"/ The Things We Keep Episode 2

    In this episode of "The Things We Keep", Daniel talks about the music we carry with us, the songs that become attached to places, people and moments, and why sometimes hearing just a few seconds of a familiar track can bring an entire part of our life back. 

   Because we don’t really keep the songs. We keep what happened to us while they were playing. 

     Take care of the things you keep. They’re telling your story.

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We're back. And this episode uh um it's going to it's going to have a lot of music into it. And not because we're gonna listen to a lot of music, but because I'm gonna try to understand if you feel about music the way that I feel about music. And um you know when is the last time you you you heard a song or you heard something playing and everything else stopped for you. Uh you were in a conversation with people and there is a song that came out somewhere on the radio and made all of you stop and listen. When is the last time that happened? Think about it. You were at dinner with friends, you know, and a song comes out and all of you look into each other, and someone will say, Hey, wait a second. Turn it up. And you did. And I that feeling and that that the whole question, you know, took me back in time again because somehow I remember that we used to listen to music in a completely different way that we are doing today. We were really playing paying attention, and that's because it wasn't simply like it wasn't like today. It wasn't we didn't have all these libraries full of music that we can just listen continuously. Or if we had a favorite song, uh today if we do, we can play it a million times during the same day until we really get sick of it. But back then it wasn't like this because um if it was a song that sometimes you didn't even know um who the artist was, you didn't know the name of the song, you just knew how the song goes, and you knew somehow that that was your song, that you loved it. And funny, sometimes probably the speaker on the radio will even pronounce completely wrong the name of the artist or the song. Uh uh and somehow you don't care, you didn't, because you were just waiting for the first notes, you were waiting for that song to happen, you were waiting for that moment to build up. It was an emotion, it was full of feelings because I think that back then when we had to wait for a song, we've listened to it differently and much more carefully what we do today. Um it's again, I am not going to make this again about the how was music listened before and how it was better than than now because it's not about that, it's just sometimes um the feeling when you listen to music, it is so different, and um it could just be meaningful because of the way that we are listening to the music. Um an intro to one song could actually create a moment that could be somehow an incredible part of that day for you, of that moment for you, because of the way that that song was written. Uh and and and and and and that is something that I think that gives music a particular importance, which today, in a way, we kind of lost it. We we've lost it. Uh guys, it's me. Um Daniel together with Joey, and this is the things we keep. This simple conversation about things we keep and things that are dear to us, and even things that we don't like that we just keeping. Okay, we keep them in a way because in a way they just um define a bit more uh um us as individuals, and they do tell our stories in a completely particular and very, very um private way as well. Too. Um, yes, you guessed it right. Today probably I am going to talk about music, music that is that one thing that it's been part of my life for so long, and I'm not going to talk about music in the way that you were probably expecting me to do because I'm not going to talk about instruments, I'm not going to talk about uh music that I have written or music that my favorite artists have written. I'm just going to talk about feelings. I I was talking a few minutes ago about the intro of one song that when you hear it on the radio, it kind of has this kind of power of it just it transposes you into a different reality, it's in a different dimension. Somehow you're in a different place with a different version of yourself, and you're just listening to those notes in a completely different and unique way. Um when we were listening to this intro years ago, we didn't know that this is going to happen. Like I take one song, for example, um If I say In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins, most of you will think about that amazing intro, uh the drums intro where Phil creates an amazing, amazing epic moment just with one simple instrument, which were the drums. Not everybody knows that uh that drum session that became the intro of that amazing cult song of the past years uh was a mistake. Not everybody knows that. Because um Phil Collins at the time was recording with um Peter Gabriel, he was actually helping um the the big Peter Gabriel to write and to uh record in Trudeau. And at the drum session that he had during that part, somehow a technical mistake made that one of the microphones they were they were uh recording at the townhouse in London, and there is um is a talkback microphone, which is basically a microphone that is used in in between the center room and the control room and the actual artists themselves and to talk between themselves. And uh that microphone was left open. Was an error, was a mistake. Mistake that people usually get fired for. What happened is that Phil started to play his drums and this sound, super compressed because of that talkback microphone, uh was coming up through the engineer that like the sound engineer in the room uh at the townhouse heard this very compressed a drum with a lot of reverb on top of it, and he heard it. He knew that was a mistake, he actually knew it was his mistake. But what did he do? Do you think he stopped the whole session? He didn't. He actually let the whole song go on, like gone, like the recording was over and everything, and then he called everybody in the room, and he said, I might get fired for this, but you have to listen to this, and that's how today we benefit from an amazing uh tool, if you want to call it like that. It's called the Gated Reverb. We all use it in the 90s after this Phil Collins in the Way in the Air Tonight song that Phil wrote after he finished The Intruder with Peter Gabriel. He he all he used it in all of these songs. The drums became so powerful and it had this reverb. Like having a reverb on the drums, it was quite impossible until that moment, but that from that moment everybody was using it. So that breakthrough into the music industry was the moment when that microphone, a talk back microphone, was left open in the control room of the townhouse in London. An error that became a pinpoint of the music scene around the world, and that's why I personally love music, and that's why because every single time I hear the intro of the um the Phil Collins in the air tonight, I just close my eyes and I could relive that moment. I can actually see it through my own eyes, and that is beautiful because you're looking at the history and you can actually get a sense of how it was written, and the sound that that Phil Collins used in that recording, it became emblematic for the 90s. Everyone was using it, and this is an example of how music changes, and there are moments in music when um you know um there is an idea, there is an episode that changes everything. When I sit down in my studio writing music, I never think about I am going to write today a history file. I am just going to create a moment today that will influence music for the time to come. That is not possible. There's so many of us, there's millions of creators nowadays. Imagine what it would happen if every single one of us will write history. It's impossible. We are all messengers, we are all keeping, and we're all just, you know, we we are um, you know, keep playing that incredible music altogether because it is the soundtrack of whatever our lives are, and that's why we don't always have to write history by creating or writing a song. We just need to be able to see and hear beyond music. Because music, when you when you when you listen to a song to a very through a very good pair of headphones, you're gonna hear and you're gonna listen to different layers of that song. You're gonna hear things that you never heard before. If you if you listen to a good song while you're just in the queue of the McDonald's, it's not going to be the same. It can't be. Um music plays feelings, and feelings cannot always be felt through your car stereo or uh I don't know, while you're jogging or anything. You can't. You need a certain, you know, moment at the 24 hours routine that when you're listening to that song will create that feeling for you. But that being said, um, you know, uh I I I've started by talking about uh Phil Collins and that amazing drum session uh through in the air tonight. But there are so many other sounds that can actually make you appreciate music in a different way. Uh so that was a drum talking about Phil Collins. Let's talk, oh, let's talk about a guitar. And there are so many guitarists that I can think about it. Amazing, amazing talents like Clapton, Moore, uh I don't know. We can we can have like a whole bunch of lists of them, but there is one of them that always made me hear the guitar in a completely different way, and that is Stevie Ray Bowen. It was his way of playing the guitar. He was not playing the guitar, he was fighting the guitar. I remember the way that he was you know twisting his arms around it, the way that he he it was it was it was a show altogether. Uh when he was playing, when Stevie Ray Vowen was playing, somehow the guitar disappeared. What I'm trying to say is that he had a way of playing that guitar that he cannot place that sound to another image. I would never imagine someone else to be able to play the guitar the way Stevie Ray did. And it's not the guitar itself because um he had that um the Fender. He was playing the Fender Straticasta, you know, but a very well-known guitar at the moment. Everyone knew that guitar because it was called his number one. He actually referred to his guitar as a number one. Um but I remember there was not it was not always about that particular guitar in in his hands playing, it was the whole thing, it was Stevie Ray doing something to that instrument that only Stevie Ray could. And that is another beautiful thing about music because a broken sound from a drum session that Phil Collins was recording, a guitar riff or a guitar solo from Stevie Ray Vowen that can take you back in time and just remember and relieve some of the amazing moments, and those are um sounds that you can always just they you can they're imprints. Let me give you another example. Uh Lenny Kravitz. Let's take what should we take? Are you gonna go my way? Great song, very, very, very new wave, Rocky. The very very very cool, incredible sexy Lenny Kravitz, all the video around, like great song. But I'll take another song from his museography, and the song it's called Low. And the only thing that I remember that song is the groove. The groove was given again by drum. Uh I mean by the drums. The drums were played by uh very young woman, incredibly, incredibly um uh good looking. Uh I remember that watching that video most of the time being young and if you you your your eyes are taken by that beautiful woman playing the drums. JK uh Kayser, I think that was her name. And most of us at that time will think that the video, Low, by Lenny Kravitz, was created around that woman because she comes up constantly during the video, just to keep us glued to the MTV video and just to be there and they have a rotation because they were playing it all the time. But it wasn't. Not everybody knows that Jake Hazer was an amazing, amazing jazz player, and she was a drummer, a real one. She was just not pretending. She was not just pretending to be a great drummer, she actually was. No, it was Michael. Even Lenny came out the years of the and he actually said, like, I gave you the possibility for all these years to wonder, and he did. Was that a cloned voice? Was that no, it was Michael? And I chose having it in this song because of the respect that I have for the man himself and the artist himself, you know. These collaborations, this they would they were beautiful to see because music was colliding together. Lenny Kravitz style had nothing to do with Michael Jackson. But somehow they they find a way to put it into one song, and every single layer, every single like the rock and the pop, they kind of like live together through that one song that that incredibly sexy drummer was grooving. Low by Lenny Kravitz. Yes, I will always say the music is absolutely beautiful. Um because it you you don't always um you cannot take it for granted. I mean, when you listen to a song, it's not that you always know that that that something is actually happening or not, or um the fact is that you can go back in time by listening to it. Let's play a little game. If I will ask you to remember something about one particular moment in time, and uh let's take one year. Uh 1990. It's simple. 1990. What would you do? What were you doing at that moment in time? I bet you don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I I vaguely know that I was going to school probably. I don't remember exactly what I was doing. I don't remember exactly who I was with. I dumb I but I can for sure recognize a sound that belongs to that particular moment in time. I was watching MTV and um very strange, like incredibly strange, I heard this religious shunned, a choir, and I saw this bunch it was a bunch of monks singing, like in a church and I was thinking at that very particular moment, what the fuck? I mean this is MTV. I I I I I I knew it's it wasn't a Sunday, I knew it wasn't like it wasn't, it was nothing uh churchy about it. And somehow underneath I've started listening and hearing um an electronic bad absinthesizers, extraordinary sexy, that they were starting to create an atmosphere that there was so enigmatic and vibing around that choir, those monks singing that was enigma. A breakthrough. I remember the name of the song Sadness. Such a vibe. Uh goosebombs altogether when that song came out. And I think that that's when I started to understand what heavy rotation at the radio or the MTV meant. That song was on every every hour, sometimes even twice. And it was because the producer of that song, Michael Kratu, he was not a stranger to music. He was married and he was uh managing uh the incredible uh singer. Uh I think she was German. Yeah, she was German for sure. Her name was Sandra, and she was doing all this like 90s pop, like 80s pop, like very, very, very commercial, if you want to. And Kratzu had this idea of sampling this choir from Munich. It was the like the very the the choir was the ancient from the ancient chapel in Munich. He sampled with no approval whatsoever from anyone, he sampled that choir, he produced that song, he produced that whole album by The Enigma, and that Gregorian shun together with the electronic fusion that Michael Kratzer gave to that uh project, it became a point break in the music industry. It became an iconic moment. It's when music changed and it was history. Yes, he wrote history of that moment with that album, and it's incredible. Uh it still fascinates me because um when you think about those voices, they they belong to an ancient era. He brought him into the today's world, which was the nineties, and today, so many decades of that, we're still listening to that music and thinking, oh my god, how and why actually think about doing this. Just so cool. It sounds amazing, just everything on that album, like the principles of last and uh mia culpa, uh oh, they're they're absolutely incredible, incredible pieces of music production. And that's when I realized that music didn't really need to choose, you know, you didn't you didn't have to choose either that you like rock or electronic or new wave or music didn't have to belong to one generation or another. It's just music was not just a song. Uh it really felt like that day when I was listening to that song for the first time on MTV, it felt like somebody opened the door. And when that happens, you realize that there is so much that could happen. Uh a sound that comes from an instrument, a vocal, like um there's always something else, and it catches your attention and it just makes you feel in a completely different way that everybody else did, you know. And this was music from an audio point of view, because what Michael Cret did, they just took two audio sources and blend them into one amazing project. But music did something even better than that. Music started started to work on visuals and videos started to become a very important part of music in general. Do you think about Michael Jackson? Oh every I don't know, every song that I can possibly think about when I'm thinking about Michael Billy Jean, Smooth Criminal, Who Is It? Um Thriller. All of them were like little movies. Thriller. If I'm actually thinking about, you know, uh that song when it came out on MTV, usually when it we came out, it was almost fifteen minutes long. And you never quit watching it. You've seen it probably thousands of times. What Michael did there is just um he I remember that the story the pretty cool story was that he was watching this horror show in London, and uh he had this brilliant idea of asking the director of that movie to direct his video, and that's how that 15-minute long new way of seeing music came out. We were not just listening to music, we were watching the costumes, we were watching the dancing, we were watching the glove, we were watching the hair, uh the cars, the graves. We were just watching everything because the messages that came out from music were not just the audio, you know, just the song that you could just somehow try to relate to. Now it was a whole um bunch of images that started to make a lot of sense. It was a movie. We were watching a movie every single time we were watching one of Michael's songs videos, and that is just absolutely I think that is just absolutely amazing because I think when John Landers, when he directed that that video, I don't think he was required specifically to make something 15 minutes long. No, he had the idea, he had a song, and then somehow he created that moment. Absolutely amazing. So music gave us uh, and it's still giving us a lot of things, it gives us an audio direction, it's starting to give us a lot of visual direction as well. Too, and uh somehow we just discovered ourselves that we are not just listening to music, so we're not just turning up the radio and just listening to the song that we like and everything, we were just watching the TV waiting for a favorite song to come, and that's beautiful. You started to like a certain haircut, you started to like a certain pair of shoes that you had no access to, you didn't know what the brand is, you were just watching an idea, and somehow your education while you were growing up was completing a circle because there was no way that someone when you were going to school was going to tell you that I don't know there is a certain style into putting your hair back and trying to do something with it instead of just like living it exactly how nature wanted you to have it in the morning when you woke up. All of these things, us trying to watch all those artists and trying to copy them, trying to copy their dance moves and everything, all of these things, um it just makes me understand how great the influence of music was for all of us, and it was everything around us that was just everything, everything was about music, and uh uh now when I when I hear a Michael song, I don't I don't just hear the song. I I I don't. I I am I'm watching it, even so it's not there, I'm still watching it. Because I remember I remember the video that sometimes some some at some point in my life I've seen it and remember the images that they were just backing up that that audio thing, you know, and that was a place um because music what music did music created um a lot of ways for us to imagine things. So first when it was just music, uh like for example, with um Phil Collins or Stevie Ray Bowen or Eric Clapton, but we're just imagining through the audio that we were listening to. Then when the video, when the visuals came out, we were imagining through the imagination of another person that created that video. Sometimes we got to the point when we were imaginating an imaginary place as well too, still through music. Let me give you an example. Uh oh, this is a song that everybody knows. Hotel California by the Eagles. What a song! Wow, those guitars playing, and um you know, every time that that song came on, somehow the first thing you thought about it it was this hotel in the middle of the night, somewhere by the sea, with this amazing, amazing vibe around it. It was an imaginary place. The Eagles created it when they wrote that song, and generations after that, when we were listening to Hotel California, we're all listening and we're all imagining that fictional place, which is amazing if you're thinking about it, because there is always a story behind everything, even even behind Hotel California, there is a story uh talking about guitars again. Uh there is the outro of the song, which is very long, very, very long. The outro, it's basically guitar playing. For years and years when I was young, I really thought it was only one guitar playing. And guess what? It wasn't. It wasn't. I remember um I remember that um uh I was in a radio station uh that I was working on at the moment, and um uh we were um we were just with another friend of mine that we he was working with me together that night. We had this debate about how that guitar sounded like one guitar, but sounded quite impossible to actually play it because there were so many notes, and we got to understand time after that they were actually two players, they were actually two people playing two different guitars that somehow they sound exactly like one. It was Donfelder and Joe Walsh uh at the Eagles, right there, that they were just playing this unique part, distinctive parts together into that one part as the outro of the Hotel California that is just became a cult of those years, and that's beautiful because again, if I'm listening to that song today, you just realize how when you will think when you when you will listen to it, you'll just see how you pay attention differently that you used to do. Because I repeat, music somehow through the you know, history wanted us to experience music at that moment in time with Hotel California by imagining one place. Um sometimes music did it differently, sometimes music did it by letting us discover a real place. Um I remember that the first time that I have visited uh New York, it was um it was through one of Sting's songs, an Englishman in New York, which right away if you're thinking about Sting Music New York, Englishman in New York quite made sense. What I didn't know at the time, it was a story inside of the story, because that Englishman in New York uh it was the story of a very old gentleman, who's an English actor, uh quite famous at the moment, Quentin Crisp, which at the age of 70, maybe 71 years old, he decided to move to New York. So Sting wrote that song around that story. Funny, isn't it? Because that song itself had so many influences on it was a bit pop Sting, it was a bit reggae, it was a bit uh jazz, and at some point I remember even now that there that's that saxophone that maybe the only thing, the only instrument that could just glue all of these ideas of music together and make it feel kind of like New York was Branford Marsalis with his saxophone. Brantford had a way of playing on that track that basically you didn't hear, you didn't have to know that it was New York. You felt it, it was New York. What not everybody knows is that Marsalis was playing God Save the Queen. So an Englishman in New York, Marsalis playing the saxophone, an incredible instrument played to bring the atmosphere of New York into a pop song that had a reggae groove to it. And he did play God Save the Queen, but because he was a genius, he actually played it in a minor key, and everything changed. That song every time you listen to an Englishman in New York by Sting, you don't know what to listen to. The guitar riff the reggae. It's kind of like the waves are breaking into the shores, even so we're not at the sea. Pop culture. That saxophone that brings all of the midnight and New York vibe to it. Isn't music beautiful? It's it's absolutely amazing because we talked about imaginary places the music brought us to, which was the Hotel California, it was pin moments when music pinpoint moments when music became something that we were not used to, which was enigma with suddenness. It was these places that we used to know, we've seen them in the movies every day, like New York, that sting somehow brought a different vibe to them. And music has this way of creating this moments that we we keep with us over the years, we we definitely keep with us. I guarantee you there is a song that you keep inside of you right now that it's telling your stories and it's telling it in a way that that you were not thinking back in time that that song will do that for you. You see, if if if it will be to take one band or an artist that for all these years did something for me, probably for me will be I mean most probably for me will be the depeche mode. I I I I I can't imagine any part of my life and any segment of what I did without having a bit of the pace mode in it. And um I didn't know it back then. I mean I didn't I didn't know that the page mode will be such an important uh sound track of my life enjoy the silence Dave Gahan's voice on that track. Oh we can we can talk about production, we can talk about arrangement, we can talk about like skills, we can talk about everything, we can talk about the vibe, we can talk about like um uh message of the actual song, but you know if if if if it is to be honest, I don't think that we understand music right away when we hear it. I mean, I really don't think that when I was into my twenties I knew what enjoy the silence was. Funny, isn't it? Enjoy the silence. You get to understand that in your mid-40s. It's it's not for granted, you can't give it for granted. Like it's it you can't say when you're 18 or 19 that oh my god, enjoy the silence. Deep wasn't, it was just a cool song, a very, very good song. Uh the story behind the story is that uh when Martin Gore uh wrote that song, he basically wrote that song as as a ballad. Soft for pussies. No, I wouldn't say that, but it was soft. It was really soft. What actually happened, it's Wilder got that song, listened to it, and said this song has something in it that can become something really, really good. He changed the whole arrangement of the m of the of the song. He brought up the up bit and he just made it a bit more electronic if you want to. He gave Enjoy the Silence, the sound that we know it now for all of those decades. That became the iconic sound of the 90s, if you want to. And not because that song, I really want to underline this. I don't think that the way that Martin wrote that song was wrong.

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I mean, we saw Martin over the years singing and performing all these amazing songs, and his very, very particular way of doing that. If I hear Martin Gore singing, the only thing I can imagine it's him with his wings. Because he feels angelic when he plays. But then you hear Dave's voice, and then you are right away taken into the underworld. There is a way the Gehan Cub writes and sings his feelings that I don't think we have many singers to do that. After all this time, for me it's very hard to find someone that does exactly the same. I thought back in time the Bono from the U2 was getting a little bit closer, but over the time I just understood that he was very far away from Dave. And you know, something that fascinated me at that moment and in the years that they followed is that music had a very incredible way of becoming human. So now if I'm listening to the Enjoy the Silence, if I'm listening to Dave Gahans and that song, it's just I really understand the message differently. It touches me bad. It touches me, it touches me in such a way that it just brings tears. And I'm just realizing that I'm listening to the same song over and over and over again, but in a completely different way. Mostly because of the soundtrack. And you don't have to be into the page mode. You don't have to like blues or rock and roll, or you don't have to be a medalist. Like no. Music in general, whatever you choose to be, your music, whatever you choose to be your soundtrack, is your companion that will never let you down. Even so today we all freely say the music is bad, it all sounds the same. Oh my god, like no, it doesn't. If it does, it's because you're not listening carefully, and you should. Because if there is a point break in time when Enigma and Michael Kretzu at that point changed the history of music. Uh if there is a point in time with when Michael Jackson with his videos were just he just changed the idea of listening to music, there is always you need to be prepared because sooner or later someone else or something else will happen, and then music will shift again from one thing we know to another thing that we don't. If I'm thinking about the moment when Alan Wilder told Martin Gore, let me use this song that you wrote, and let me do something with it. Think about if Martin Gore would say no, why would you let someone else and another musician do something with the piece that you have created? I did that mistake. A lot of people did that mistake. I had someone a few years back that asked me for one of my songs to use it and to do it in a different way. And I said, No, I wrote it. I want to keep it. Was a good decision? I will never know. But think about Martin and Alan at that moment in time when they had to decide one to take the other one's creation to do something with it. And Wilder did something with Gore's Enjoy the Silence, there became an amazing iconic musical moment in the music history. And we need to understand that we all see art differently. If you are a painter, it's impossible to um to watch a canvas in the same way that another painter is doing. I don't think that as a footballer you can choose one way to continue an action that another footballer will do exactly the same thing. What I'm trying to say is that people will at some point do something that will absolutely have um um an imprint, like a fingerprint, you know, like I'm going to do that in my way, and that's going to just make it better or not, but it's just gonna make it differently. And then if we're talking about music and the way that music changed us or changed the way that we you know, all of these um shifting and in between generations and everything. I can't talk about music without referring to uh the hip hop. The hip hop wasn't just a genre and it wasn't just a style of making music, it was just right up there. At some point the hip hop it just stopped being that genre, it just became um this way of speaking and dressing and storytelling, it became a lifestyle. I remember when I was listening to Tupac or to Biggie and their music, I was listening to their music differently back then. You know, it was aggressive, it was engaging, with a lot of bad words. It was it was a lot of attitude out there. Although, if I'm listening to the same music today, it sounds different. You don't realize how much of what they were saying was documented. They were talking about the way that they were living, the things that they were witnessing, uh, what they were afraid of, and basically they were talking about everything that happened around them. And there is another thing about hip-hop that I really, really like is that the incredible relationship that hip-hop as a genre had with the past. Um hip hop never said this was then and that this is now, and that is good, and this is what no hip hop didn't do that. Hip-hop had a way of saying uh give me that, and let me show you what I can do with it. Uh, I was just talking about Tupac, right? Uh changes, great song, absolutely great song, and great story around it and everything, but the real story of the song stays in the fact that that song belongs to a different point in time. That belongs to 1984, if I'm not wrong, when uh I think it was 1986 to be correct, when Bruce Hornsby, the way it is, came out and it was a great, great song, and um Tupac just borrowed that. And he had a very particular and a very personal way of putting his story on top of Bruce Hornsby's song, and it sounded lovely because today when you when you listen to um the way it is by Bruce Hornsby, you will just listen to that vibe and you will just listening and and participating to that song in the way that the 80s will let you, but then when you're listening to Tupac changes, it will shift into a different story. And Biggie's uh Biggie's what's the name of that song? Juicy. Juicy wasn't Biggie's song, if you want to. It was Biggie's story, but it was Tuma's uh Juicy Fruit that was 1983, I think, when it came out. And again, again, the same thing. Biggie took that sample, made it his, and then laid his story on top of it. So is sampling music bad? No. Look at Moby that took Angelo Badalamente's uh piano composition and put it on Go, which became an absolute pioneer of the 90s in terms of electronic music. And Badalamente wrote that composition for a TV series which was the Twin Picks. So sampling music is not always a bad thing. Yes, you could just ask permission, you could collaborate, you can just shift back in time to someone to refer to the person or the artist that actually created that thing and just borrow from it, ask for it, and ask the permission to create something with it. There is nothing wrong with that, and that doesn't mean because I heard that a lot of times that when you do that, you're lacking in imagination and creativity. I don't think that's true, because uh when Moby wrote Go, it had nothing to do with the Twin Peaks theme. When Tupac wrote changes, really had nothing to do with Bruce Hornsby the way it is of a few years back. So music remembers, and that is a beautiful thing about music, it's just music takes something old and it gives it another shape and it gives it another future. Music has this very unfair way of uh outliving us, it will always do that. It's unfair, I know, but it is the way it is, and the the beautiful thing behind all this is that it's a never-ending story. We will always have music to enjoy, and this makes this particular um conversation we have today not about music in particular, but about it makes it about the things that we inherit, the things that we keep during our lifetimes. What are we actually keeping? What are we actually taking with us while we are living our lives? Music is one of those things. We keep it for a little while, we do, and then we pass it through. Um that's what our parents did with music. They somehow they gave it to us. Then we had it, we enjoyed it, we made it ours, and now we're gonna just pass it through again. And and it when we have these pieces of music, I remember that back in time, because right now what the reality of today is that it's easier, obviously, to listen to music. You want to listen to something from to a record from 1972, you'll just simply search for it and you'll find it and you'll play it and you're gonna listen to it. Well, back in time you didn't have this possibility. You gave music much more value simply because you had no access to it, you had no way to keep that memory unless you remember when we had those cassettes, right? So when at the radio we knew that uh oh my god, the depiction mode enjoy the silence will play. I will hit record on my cassette player, and I will record the song directly from the radio station. And I remember that we were hoping that the disc joke will not talk at the radio station over our song, and if that happened, so what? Now we have the announcer that actually speaks about the song that's ours. So everything had a different meaning, and we used to give so much value to these little things that they would just simply take for granted. And um it happens in this way that you know, if you're asking me when I when I kept my cassettes, I never thought that oh god, I'm gonna keep this for the next 40 years. Yeah. Because it just happens, and years after you think about it, you look back, and you just see that cassette, you see that guitar, you see that photograph, and you just remember about those moments. You remember about the person that he used to be at that moment in time, you remember about who you were with, you remember about the song that he was playing at that moment when you were there doing that thing that you were doing. So, your story, most of the time, our stories are defined by moments that are beautifully described by feelings, and those feelings stay in the things that we keep as simple as it is. We can't if today if if we were talking earlier about a Phil Collins drum intro into In the Earth Tonight, if we were talking about uh a 15-minute old uh video for one of Michael Jackson's songs, or we were talking about breakthroughs into music productions, uh putting a lot of genres together and creating things that they were not supposed to sound good together. We just realize how music has this very particular way of changing form for us to be able to just leave a better life because I repeat the soundtrack that we give to our existence in a way defines us, and this podcast, this idea of finding the things that we keep stays and has somehow behind the idea of keeping the soundtrack of our own lives. It's not just about music. It's it's about you, it's about who you were, what you have become off the just life decided they have to struggle for a little bit, and you just you will always have the possibility of turning your head around, looking back over your shoulder and remembering things. There is nothing more beautiful than that. And we should keep these things because the things that we keep in a way or another, they are telling our stories. Until next time, take care of the things you keep. Cheers.