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The Boy Beneath The Ink
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A tattoo artist who shot a man, survived a childhood of abuse, and built a life around helping others - LJay’s story is as chaotic as it is unforgettable. If you’ve ever wondered how someone goes from poverty, violence, and betrayal to fatherhood, business ownership, and a serious mission to give back, this conversation hits hard.Kristina Richie sits down with LJay, the Fresno tattooer behind some of Kristina and her sister’s ink, for a brutally honest, deeply human look at the life that shaped him. From growing up bounced between Stockton and Fresno, to living in an RV in a driveway, to navigating addiction in the family, gang violence at school, and a home life defined by instability, LJay opens up about the kind of childhood that teaches you to stay ready at all times.You'll hear how he started tattooing at 14, why he never developed a drug addiction despite being surrounded by it, and how a chance encounter with a tattooed woman in high heels and Daisy Dukes pulled him into the world of tattooing and piercing. Kristina and LJay also get into the wild rise of his career, the years he was making serious money, the notorious “panty checks” at his house, and the messy relationships, marriages, and betrayals that came with that life.But this episode is not just about survival or wild stories. It’s about what happens when a man who had to fight for everything starts thinking about legacy. LJay talks candidly about his desire to build a community center, support kids who were never shown the basics, and create something that helps the next generation avoid the same pain. He also opens up about the emotional cost of being the one everyone leans on, the heartbreak of fractured family relationships, and why helping other people is the only thing that reliably gets him choked up.
Perfect for listeners who love raw, unfiltered interviews, tattoos, redemption stories, and conversations about trauma, loyalty, masculinity, and what it really means to build a better life after a brutal beginning.
Guest Credibility:
LJay is a tattoo artist and piercer based in Texas, known for turning a rough, chaotic upbringing into a long career in body art and an ambitious vision for community outreach and education.
Welcome to that ad zap, where every story matters, every life has meaning, and every conversation brings us one step closer to understanding. Translating chaos into clarity, one moment, one story at a time. Welcome back to that ad zap. My name is Christina Ritchie, and today I have my friend LJ. And he has a tattoo artist. He's actually responsible for some of my ink and my sister's ink. We got some matching tattoos by you.
SPEAKER_00Yes, you do.
SPEAKER_03So, LJ, I've never actually like heard your story before. I I know certain things about you. We've had some conversation about your kids, and we're from the same state, I do believe, the great state of California. So tell me where did you grow up? What was family life like?
SPEAKER_01Uh well, I refused to grow up. Uh, so I haven't done that yet. I was raised in uh Fresno. Uh the Central Valley.
SPEAKER_03Is that the 559?
SPEAKER_01559. Beginning my life, it was 209.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01And then and then about when I was about 13 or 14, they changed it to 559, which was really funny to watch the gangsters trip out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because everybody, you know, they had their area code, their zip code on them. So I was born in French Camp, California, then and lived in Stockton. Uh lived in a little neighborhood uh called East Side Oakieville. We moved around a lot, like even within that neighborhood. Like at one point I lived with my grandparents in one house, then my stepdad and my mom got a house. Uh I didn't meet my real dad until I was 20.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so we bounced around. Like at one point we lived in uh RV in the driveway at his dad's and at his parents' house, my stepdad. And then uh at one point we moved across town to the north side of town, and we lived in a a s a house that his sister owned for like my fifth and sixth grade year. I was always bounced, like I was kind of a bad kid.
SPEAKER_03What do you mean by that?
SPEAKER_01Um, well, I say I was a bad kid. I was just an asshole.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_01Well, I was just always acting up, but I mean I went through a lot of shit. I had a rough childhood, man. You know, when I when I was young, I I was uh sexually abused. Went through that. Oh, that made me act out. Um so uh and then I I would act out. My mom would be like, You're going to your grandpa, and she'd send me off to grandpa's house and he'd have me for a minute and he'd go, I ain't nothing wrong with that kid, and send me back. Uh and then it was just, you know, just the same bullshit. And living in a rough part of town, you know, in the little neighborhood that we lived in. It was cool, but we're poor. Living in the RV for a couple years, we did that. And then in the house, they were hoarders, so that was crazy.
SPEAKER_03Like your mom or your grandparents?
SPEAKER_01Uh my grand step-grandparents, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Step so this was your stepdad's parents?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay, and they were hoarders. And you were living in their front yard in an RV with your stepdad and your mom.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Did you have and your sister? Is she older or younger than you?
SPEAKER_01Younger, two years younger.
SPEAKER_03Two years younger. Do you have any other siblings?
SPEAKER_01I have half brothers. My my youngest daughter is 19, and my youngest my oldest brother is younger than my youngest daughter.
SPEAKER_03Is this your dad's biological children or is this your dad's Yeah? Okay, so he got remarried and had kids or whatever.
SPEAKER_01My parents were never my mom and dad were never married.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01So I was made in Alabama.
SPEAKER_03Oh, we're gonna get you a t-shirt.
SPEAKER_01Right, yeah. They weren't cousins, but my when my mom was six months pregnant with me, my grandmother sent her to my to my grandpa in California. He was a truck driver.
SPEAKER_03Okay, and so when you're telling me that you were an asshole or you were a bad kid, what were you doing?
SPEAKER_01Just acting out. All kinds of I mean, I was fighting. Uh I remember in the second grade I I uh I got pissed off at somebody in the class. I jumped up on the table, cussed the teacher out.
SPEAKER_02Woo!
SPEAKER_01I've always had kind of a problem with authority, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so how was your relationship with your stepdad?
SPEAKER_01Um, I mean it was alright until I was about until I turned twelve. Like he's a weirdo. He molested my sister and shit. Oh yeah, at twelve, and then he'd beat my mom.
SPEAKER_03Did you watch that?
SPEAKER_01Until I was twelve, and then I snatched him up.
SPEAKER_03Good for you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh. Now how about your grandfather? How was your relationship I guess with with the stepgrandfather?
SPEAKER_01Um, he was cool.
SPEAKER_03He was a nice guy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he was a good guy. He was a mechanic, just a just a stepdad was weirdo.
SPEAKER_03Weird. And then the so the biological grandfather and the grandmother. Is that grandpa Mima? Is that who you refer to as well?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, my papa and Mima.
SPEAKER_03Papa and Mima. Okay. And how was that?
SPEAKER_01Oh, that was great. My papa raised me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Mima, yeah. They were awesome.
SPEAKER_03Did you act better for your grandpa than you did for your mom?
SPEAKER_01Of course.
SPEAKER_03Why?
SPEAKER_01He had Dr. Black.
SPEAKER_03Is is that a belt?
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_03And he used it.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03He didn't have to.
SPEAKER_01He didn't have to.
SPEAKER_03Why why do you think that was?
SPEAKER_01Well, disrespect.
SPEAKER_03Yeah?
SPEAKER_01He treated me better, like I don't know. I was I was the first one. I was the first grandson, so first grandchild. Uh so he's pulled the shit out of me.
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_01He didn't make the threats to everybody, though. He'd really do shit to me, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Really? So you were pretty close with him then?
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, we were real close.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01He'd pull me up on his lap and give me some of his beer.
SPEAKER_03No way.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh. Okay, so that takes you through early childhood, second grade. We're cussing out teachers. Where'd you learn to talk like that, sir?
SPEAKER_01Well, uh my mom and stepdad, they they ran around with kind of a wild crowd, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, a bunch of rednecks that they they sell dope at one point.
SPEAKER_03Uh by dope, we mean meth?
SPEAKER_01No, it was crank back then.
SPEAKER_03And do you remember like seeing that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. They would party all night. We'd uh when I'd go to bed, they were still partying. Like every nice cool night. So yeah, it didn't matter. We'd go stay the night at their friend's house, they'd be up partying, we'd go sleep in the back room or whatever, and take a spoon next day.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh, I can't imagine. Like my mind is blown. I was raised by like super square parents.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. They were they were partying. Wow.
SPEAKER_03So they're partying and you're a little kid. And I would guess, I mean, tell me if I'm wrong, but did your mom like make sure that you were fed and clothed and went to school or oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. We got to eat for me most of the time. Yeah, pretty good. Well, she uh there, I mean, there was this at one point my mom was she was real bad into alcohol and pills. Uh so she'd be out of it. So I had that's actually how I learned how to cook.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_01Uh and to feed me, my sister, yeah. So at one point I had to ride in the back of an ambulance with my mom. She OD'd.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so that was crazy. I've been here and my mom's gonna die since uh since the first time I heard she was gonna die, I was 10 years old. Six months to live. It was the first time I heard that. It was I was ten.
SPEAKER_03What did you what did you say? What were you thinking when this doctor tells you this about your mother?
SPEAKER_01What am I gonna do? Like, I was there's nothing I can say. Distant or why she was here. She's still here.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01She ain't gone. That doctor was not on par with his statement. That's uh that's I have trust issues with doctors now.
SPEAKER_03Gee, I wonder why.
SPEAKER_01Well, like, because they're just taking guesses most of the time.
SPEAKER_03So your mom OD is at 10, and then what happens to you when your mom's like going through all that?
SPEAKER_01That was just like another day, it wasn't CPS like didn't come in and take a guess?
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Grandparents, why weren't you with grandparents at this time? Or were you?
SPEAKER_01Well, we were we were in we were in the house with my stepgrandparents.
SPEAKER_03Wow, she OD'd. She's staying at that house.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Were the stepgrandparents on drugs too?
SPEAKER_01No. No, hell no. Hold up. They didn't drink nothing.
SPEAKER_03Whoa, okay. So they're not doing anything, but your mom and stepdad are in their house?
SPEAKER_01He my stepdad was at work.
SPEAKER_03Who called the ambulance?
SPEAKER_01I don't remember. That part I don't remember. Might have been me.
SPEAKER_03Wow. I'm sure that was probably pretty intense for a 10-year-old looking back on it. Do you think that it was intense or it was just whatever?
SPEAKER_01My whole life's been intense. So it's you know what I mean? It's been a wild ride the whole time. Like it hasn't slowed down.
SPEAKER_03What's the craziest thing that you remember about your childhood, but in that time?
SPEAKER_01In that time?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Say before the age of ten. What's the craziest memory you have before the age of ten?
SPEAKER_01Uh, I mean, well, that would probably be it.
SPEAKER_03Your mama deeing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, we I used to do all kinds of shit. You know what I mean? Like I used to go with my uncles and my stepdad. They go steal vegetables or whatever. Remember, here you go. One time we were in the farmer's field, and my stepdad was a pyro. Like they used to light shit on fire all the time. And uh they lit the field on fire. And I remember, you know, having to run, I'd turn around and just seen fire. I'm like, what the fuck? You know, because I was just out with them gathering vegetables.
SPEAKER_03So they're up in like the farmlands in California, is what you're saying, and they're stealing vegetables, and then they light the field that they just stole from on fire?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Like right, right the canal right behind us.
SPEAKER_03No way.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. And you didn't get like a warning or anything? You're like out there picking vegetables and then all of a sudden you turn around, there's fire?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Holy crap.
SPEAKER_01I didn't get no warning.
SPEAKER_03That had to be terrifying. I can't even imagine. I don't like fire.
SPEAKER_01I mean, it was just another little bit of excitement. First time I got a gun pulled on me, I was 12. And my buddy were cruising Pacific Avenue in Stockton, and we stopped off with Wilson Way and uh got us a 20-piece chicken McNugget. And I was sitting there throwing chicken nuggets at this hooker. I was 12, my buddy was 19, he had the car. And uh we were sitting there throwing, and this fucking bitch pulled that gun on me. I thought that bitch was gonna shoot me.
SPEAKER_03You really did? You really thought she was going to?
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, I never had a gun pulled on me. That was the first time.
SPEAKER_03What were you doing as a 12-year-old hanging out with a 19-year-old throwing chicken make nuggets at a hooker?
SPEAKER_01Cruising Pacific Avenue. Racing cars.
SPEAKER_03At 12.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Were you going to school? Yep.
SPEAKER_03And that was just like normal. We're just gonna go do that. Okay. So 12 years old, we're throwing chicken McNuggets at a hooker on the side of Pacific Avenue. Alright, cool. Now get a gun pulled on us. What's what's next?
SPEAKER_01Well, I want to say that same year, 12, 13, because when I hit when I hit ninth grade, there was gang wars going on at the school. So that was weird. The school get locked down every day. Um I got to see my buddy get shot in the head.
SPEAKER_03Uh I love you just lost straight over that.
SPEAKER_01And then yeah, and then he was uh and then his brother was stabbed in that same three-day period.
SPEAKER_03And how close by were you when this happened?
SPEAKER_01Uh I was a couple hundred yards away. I wasn't right next to him, but I seen it.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh. And how about the stabbing?
SPEAKER_01The stabbing I was a little closer for him. Yeah, it was it was crazy. The North Años and Serenos were going at it. They started one side of the school, and everybody's fighting, and then went around to the other side of the school towards the back. Then they ran off to the back, and there was a little place where all the white people hung out on Oakie Corner, is what they called it. They ran everybody out of there fighting. And it was it happened for the next three days like that. Everybody would lock us down. You see people getting it right outside the classrooms. It was crazy. Then my mom was kind of worried, and so she sent me to my grandpa's, and so then I went to school in Fresno.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so that was happening where? All the crazy men? That was in Stockton. Stockton to Fresno's not that crazy far away.
SPEAKER_01No, about two hours.
SPEAKER_03But like totally different environment, or what happens when you get to Fresno? Same thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, we end up having there was there was gang wars going on, there was race wars going on there too.
SPEAKER_03In Fresno?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. My my little sister and and my brother, they got jumped by like 30 moms.
SPEAKER_03Okay, and that that's that same year is the year that you first started tattooing?
SPEAKER_01I was 14, yeah, I started tattooing.
SPEAKER_03What made you do that?
SPEAKER_01Just my buddies were they were doing it, and and uh they're here, you want to try it? I was like, well, I didn't want to put nothing on me. I'll try some stuff and do little names. I kind of got into it. I I really didn't take it serious.
SPEAKER_03Were you were you already good at art at this point?
SPEAKER_01Um, I have ADHD, so I've always kind of scribbled on everything just because uh, you know, that's kind of been an escape.
SPEAKER_03When were you diagnosed ADHD?
SPEAKER_01I was probably seven.
SPEAKER_03Did they medicate?
SPEAKER_01Well it was ADD.
SPEAKER_03ADD. Did they but they don't I think they called it ADHD back then? I don't remember.
SPEAKER_01Now they don't say ADD, they'd say ADHD.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01But it was ADD then. Yeah, they gave me they gave me Ritalin, but my mom and stepdad would take my Ritalin.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh. So you weren't even getting the medication?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so they would, you know, they'd be like, hey, uh, he needs more medicine. And the doctor's like, uh, just have too much, just give him coffee black. So I don't even drink coffee now. I hate coffee. Because they used to make us drink tea with no sugar because we didn't have any money. I mean, it was drinking tea.
SPEAKER_03So when you say poor, how poor?
SPEAKER_01I'm poor. Poor, government cheese poor, food stamps. I remember we used to get the the food stamps, the paper ones, and we'd run down to the market, Woody's market in in uh Stockton. We should run down there and we'd cash one in for a five cent candy and bring that that change back, we'd do it again. That way my mom could get enough money for some cigarettes.
SPEAKER_03So high school sounds like it was interesting. Did you finish high school?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03When did you stop?
SPEAKER_01I was expelled in the 11th grade. In the tenth grade, there was an issue with a counselor, and I tried to fight him, and my counselor actually she jumped on my arm and stopped me from hitting him. I was drew back and ready to hit this motherfucker.
SPEAKER_03Why? What did he do?
SPEAKER_01He pissed me off. I don't remember why. He's he was fucking with me, said something I didn't like. And so I tried to fight him. And the following year, uh, with all the gang shit going on, they they had us in the uh cafeteria while we're waiting for the buses, so they could kind of keep an eye on everybody, make sure you know nothing went too wild. And uh I was sitting there with the girl I was dating, a little girlfriend at the time, and uh we're we're facing each other and we were talking. Well, he comes over and he starts fucking with me. And he's like, You can't be making out on here, and uh making out here, he's like, I'm gonna separate you two, and he's separate her. Me being the fucking smart ass I am, well, whatever. You ain't gonna separate me from my girl, bro. And uh so he moved her, and then as soon as he walked away, I went back over there and said, He kicked everybody that knew me that was sitting at the table off out the bus, right? So there was a little desk that was sitting inside the cafeteria off, you know, where he was doing timeouts or whatever. I just grabbed that thing and hucked it at him.
SPEAKER_03Why do you why do you think that that made you as mad as it did?
SPEAKER_01I didn't like him telling me what to do. Trying to trying to, and then he was just being a prick, you know what I mean? Like it wasn't that he didn't really it wasn't a cause for it. He was just flexing.
SPEAKER_03I think he was just trying to get control.
SPEAKER_01He was just flexing, yeah. It's power. It was just a power trip.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, power tripping over you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so he kicked everybody I knew off the bus. My girlfriend, her, she had to call her grandma to come get everybody. We all jumped in the back of the truck. But on the way, like, we went to uh use a payphone and for her to call grandma and uh the counselor and the other one, he they come up looking at me and I'm still trying to find his ass. And I said, Don't look at me, dude. And he's like, What's your problem? And I said, You're my fucking problem.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_01And uh he said, Don't come back to school without your mom. Alright. Came back the next day, brought my mom, and uh he was sitting there writing on his desk. I'm like, hey, you fucking jump. She told me bring my mom. Alright, so oh, they're getting exp expelled from Fresno Unified.
SPEAKER_03And you would have been like 16 at this point?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. 15, 16.
SPEAKER_03Did you ever go back to school?
SPEAKER_01I tried to do continuation, adult school, that never worked out. And then at one point I did a couple of uh city college classes, like mostly art though.
SPEAKER_03What age were you when you started like really liking art? Um You know you say you doodled and stuff because you're ADD or whatever, and that makes sense, and it was an escape for you. That makes sense. But like when did art become like what you were just constantly doing?
SPEAKER_01So I had my first kid when I was eighteen. And my mom had moved out of state, my sister had moved out of state because uh my stepdad got caught up for what he was doing to my sister.
SPEAKER_03Wow. Did he go to prison?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Did he get what did he get like a life sentence?
SPEAKER_01No, no, he's stupid. Yeah, I forget how long he got eight or twelve years or something like that. Not long enough.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they waited until he was gone before they would even tell me.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01I was over at I was over at my baby mama's house when they when they called the cost on him. And so yeah, they didn't they don't want me over there.
SPEAKER_03So wait a second.
SPEAKER_01Oh seventeen.
SPEAKER_03You were seven 'cause your sister was fifteen when this whole thing came out?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh. How old was she when it started, do you know?
SPEAKER_02Young.
unknownOh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03You didn't know any of that, and then that was the day that you found out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. That was the day. I was pissed. I wanted in Oh my gosh. I would I would have took him out.
SPEAKER_03I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03I'm sure that's why they didn't tell you.
SPEAKER_01That's exactly why they didn't tell me. They knew. So at 18, I ended up having a kid. I was working doing security at the time. And I was so I was I was worked for uh a security company doing doing security, and they had me out on uh at one of the hotels. Uh so I was actually I was actually running host out of the hotel. I was letting turn their tricks and taking my cut.
SPEAKER_03No way.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um I was making good money. But it started to get hot.
SPEAKER_03Uh oh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so uh so I was like, well, let's go. So I went back to go see my mom. And I I wanted my kid to be near my mom. He was a month old.
SPEAKER_03And are you still with the baby mom at this point?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay, you and your son and your son's mother moved by your mom.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, in in Missouri, Branson, Missouri.
SPEAKER_03In Branson, Missouri. All right. Let's go. Yeah. What happens in Branson?
SPEAKER_01Well, we were out there for about a month. My son was nine months old, I want to say, when we moved out there. And uh I was there for about a month. And my mom and her boyfriend were at the they were at the bar. Uh needed ride home. So I picked them up and uh we'd come back and everything was kinda it got crazy. The phone was shut off because my sister had been calling one of her friends in uh Florida, Collect or whatever they were calling her Collect, however it was. She ran the phone bill at like 600 bucks. So there was no phone. And so this dude came home drunk, pissed off about the phone. I just put my kid down, you know, and him and my mom were fighting. My sister ran away, and I was like, hey, y'all just keep down to wake up the baby. I'll just put the baby down. And I come back out there and and he's kind of talking shit to me. And uh so we got in a fight, we boxed, uh slabbing him on the table, the table broke, he was on the ground.
SPEAKER_03So much for not waking up the baby.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he woke up the baby. I was kind of pissed. So we broke the table, everything. I ended up picking up the table leg. I was gonna beat his head in with a table leg, but I threw it and I just threw it and stuck it in the wall. Like, all right, you ain't even worth it, motherfucker. And so I went went to the room and I was just, you know, I wanted him to get out. Well, he ended up hitting my mom when I walked away, and then he said he was gonna kill me. Uh so I grabbed my pistol, and uh at first I grabbed it and my my lady took it away from me. And she hid the magazine and and then the gun in a different place, and she unwrapped that one bullet that was in the chamber in the same drawer where I found the gun. Uh so I tore the room apart looking for this. So I found that gun and I found that bullet and I put it in the chamber and I went out there and I had him, you know, behind my back and in my pocket. I told him, I went out there and my mom's laying on the ground over on this side of the kitchen, and he's standing over here.
SPEAKER_00You alright, Mom? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I said, You get the fuck out. I said, You should'd be on the porch in the morning.
SPEAKER_02What are you gonna do, boy? Shoot me.
SPEAKER_01And he fucking went from my throat. Capped him one in the gut. Fell down to the ground, I kicked him a couple times.
SPEAKER_00Fucking lucky, I didn't have a whole clip, motherfucker.
SPEAKER_01Then I went and called. I went and went around to the neighbors and found somebody to let me use their phone so I could call 911.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, because you guys didn't have a phone.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we didn't have a phone.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh, so you couldn't even call an ambulance. The guy or the law.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the neighbors were tripped out. I'm like, hey, uh, can I use your phone? I just shot my mom's boyfriend.
SPEAKER_03Did you wait, wait, wait!
SPEAKER_01I guess they slammed the door on me twice. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Did you just like stand that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I didn't get help.
SPEAKER_03Knock, knock.
SPEAKER_01I got he needs an ambulance. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Come on, your phone real quick. This guy's bleeding out back here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I just shot my mom's boyfriend. He needs an ambulance.
SPEAKER_03What okay, so what happened to Homie?
SPEAKER_01Uh, he ended up having to wear a colostomy bag. Um he he was fine. So I I got off with self-defense. Um he threatened to kill me. Uh but what they did, they charged me because I was underage having a handgun because I was I was uh only 19 at the time.
SPEAKER_03You have to be 21.
SPEAKER_01You had to be 25 at the time. Yeah. So they charged me with uh being underage having a handgun. Uh they gave me two years probation. When I first moved there, I was doing construction with that dude. And after that we didn't really work together.
SPEAKER_03I can't imagine why.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I ended up working at uh a restaurant, Duffy's in the Holiday and Crown Plaza. Um I started there as a dishwasher and kind of worked my way up line cooking and sous chef, and that's where I kind of got serious about cooking, and that was fun. But they started kind of the cops would fuck with me because of small town Branson. Uh I'd show up to work and and because I was on probation, there'd be three of them waiting up at the top of the hill and pull in and they'd swoop on me and uh search the seizure, and they did it like every day for at least a couple weeks they were doing it. My chef was getting pissed. What's going on, man? You're doing good. I said, dude, these cops are fucking with you. What? I said, yeah, man. I said, every day I come out. I said, I'm here. I have a tendency to be early. You know what I mean? I feel like if if you're if you're five minutes early, you're ten minutes late. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of always been the way that I'm that I'm dying myself. So I'd show up early and they'd sit there and, you know, go through my shit, make sure I didn't have nothing. And uh I told my chef, I was like, Yeah, watch. I said, watch. I said, I'll be here tomorrow. I said, the motherfuckers are gonna search the season, guarantee it. So him and Edison's chef, they was out there smoking when I called up. Sure as shit. Oop, oop, oop.
SPEAKER_03Why why did they have it out for you?
SPEAKER_01I was the first shooting in Branson, Missouri in 30 years.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so uh, yeah, so when they knew my car and they knew where I worked, and they didn't have shit to do, a small town. So they'd wait for me. Um I I got tired of, you know, finally after that day, uh, once the show said, You need to call the chief police, dude. He'd do something. I was like, I didn't even think about it. I was just like, man, the cops are all gonna be fucking with me. Called the chief, I said, hey, I said, look, man, I said your officers are fucking with me. I said, every day, I said, I I did my crime, I did my time. You know what I mean? I'm trying to uh feed my family, and I said, every day I got them sitting here making me late to work. I'm about to lose my job. He said, Okay, thanks. All right, hung up. And uh about 30 minutes later, my probation officer called me. Mr. Jenkins, he said, man, you've been doing great. We're gonna we're gonna go ahead and let you off probation early. Won't you go ahead and go back to California? Don't ever come back.
SPEAKER_03Uh-uh. He said that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he did. Okay, back my shit up, fucking back to Cali.
SPEAKER_03No way.
SPEAKER_01No way.
SPEAKER_03Okay, and you're still with baby mama at this point?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we'd been off and on at that point. Like she she left. The first thing they told you, you know what I mean? Like, like when I when I went to jail, they were telling me 25 to life.
SPEAKER_03Whoa.
SPEAKER_01For you know what I mean, for the shooting. So she sold all my shit and bailed. She sold all my shit, got her a plane ticket and took off.
SPEAKER_03With the baby, obviously.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So I was only in there for a week and then, you know, I was I was getting out. Monday, I would have got out.
SPEAKER_03And she's already gone?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she sold all my shit and took off.
SPEAKER_03In a week.
SPEAKER_01No, they got me out. Yeah. She waited a week and they sold my shit. She had to, you know what I mean? She had to liquidate.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01Sold my shit, took off.
SPEAKER_03And so she went back to California.
SPEAKER_01So she went back to California. I went back there to got to see my son for his first birthday. That was a whole fiasco. She was messing with some dude. I tried to kick his door down. Her dad pulled a gun on me.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, yeah, that was uh it was interesting. Like I say, it's been wild the whole time. Like it's never slowed down for me. I come back and she ended up coming back at some point, bring the baby to see me. And uh she was mad because I had a girlfriend at the time. So she kind of she got she ended up seducing me. Like she didn't care, but I had a girl. She was like, as soon as that bitch leaves, she's trying to fuck with me.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I was a volunteer fireman in uh Blue Eye, Arkansas at the time.
SPEAKER_03After getting on probation for shooting somebody, you became a firefighter, volunteer firefighter. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So you can have a record and do that.
SPEAKER_01At the time, I well, I it I just had a gun possession charge. I didn't have any felonies or any. You know what I'm saying? It was just a misdemeanor gun charge. I was able to do that. Well, we end up conceiving my daughter. My first daughter, another I had another son in between there, but I've never met him. Talked to him one time on the phone. Uh he won't accept me. He's raised by another man. So and his mother's dead now.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh, but yeah, we I so I ended up getting married. We got married in Missouri, and then we went back to California. And I got I got into tattooing. Like I started, we got back to California, I started uh installing uh heat and air conditioning. One day, meeting this dude, because I was checking out his wife. So really what got me into tattooing was high heels and Daisy Dukes. I was I was in the supermarket and uh I'm walking by this aisle, and I seen this girl come stepping, pushing a cart, and all I seen was high heels and Daisy Dukes, and she was tattooed from her ankle to her asshole, and my jaw was on the ground. It's like, holy shit. And then I seen her fucking 270-pound biker old man right behind her. Catch me looking at her.
SPEAKER_03Oh no.
SPEAKER_01I just thought to myself, man, it's gonna hurt.
SPEAKER_03Oh no.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's a big motherfucker. So I engaged in conversation. Looking at her tattoos, she got nice work. Oh yeah, I did it.
SPEAKER_03Oh, he was a tattoo artist.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And I was like, oh, cool. So yeah, well, how much charge for this? How much charge for this?
SPEAKER_03Good save.
SPEAKER_01And uh I'm quick on my feet usually.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And uh he was like, oh yeah, 50 bucks. And I was like, oh, I paid 20 for all three of them. So, well, it looks looks pretty good. He used to tell your buddy if he if he wants some real equipment. I got he said, I got some for sale. All right. Gave me a card. I gave my buddy the card, but I remembered the shop. And about three weeks later, I had a friend of mine come and she was like, Hey, I want you to do a tattoo on me. And I was like, Well, I said, if you want to buy the stuff, I'll I'll do it. And I said, No, guys, so had her take me down to this tattoo shop where the dude was and said, Hey man, you said you got some stuff for sale. He's like, Well, yeah, it's in my apartment. You come by the apartment, not here. So, alright. Well, he ended up living just down the street from uh the apartments I had, I was living in. So I went down there and and I got some, you know, a couple tattoo machines and uh a little power supply. So I got that and some flash and some ink, and then I just started tattooing everybody in my apartments. And uh I'd practice, you know, on everybody and uh taking pictures and and whatnot, and then I'd go down and I'd buy more flash from them and what is flash? Flash is that stuff on sheets that's you know, tattooed designs that are on sheets already.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay. It's called Flash.
SPEAKER_01So I bought a bunch of that shit. He had like a bunch of bootleg flash from you know, other artists he'd been collected. So I would tattoo on somebody and then I'd take a picture and I'd run it down. I had a Polaroid. I'd take a Polaroid and run it down and hey, check it out. What do you think? What do you think? A couple times I'd, you know, drag a person down there, hey come here, let's go show this guy.
SPEAKER_03So off your work.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, I was showing him he finally said, Hey man, hey, quit fucking coming to my house. He said, just come hang out at the shop.
SPEAKER_02Oh.
SPEAKER_01And uh so I go down there and hang out at the shop a little bit and whatnot. I'd be there till one or two, three in the morning, go go back to work at you know, six in the morning going and installing, heating air conditioning. And then uh I was like, hey man, I wanna, you know, I wanted to do it bad. You know, I wanna well I didn't want to do it that bad, but I I I wanted to get in there and learn more. I was I was excited about it. But I didn't know how to get them to let me be, you know, in the shop. I didn't know you know the politics of it or anything. And uh there wasn't at the time there was nobody really doing body piercings. Uh and I just started seeing, you know, some stuff about it. So I actually I ordered a a a piercing kit and a training video, and uh then I started piercing everybody in the neighborhood.
SPEAKER_03Like, here, let me put a needle in you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, come here, let me stab you.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01And uh, yeah, so I was I was doing that, and then I I started talking to other piercers and and whatnot and and learning the prices you know people were paying. And and at the time it was piercing was, you know, kind of expensive. Uh so I said, hey, why don't you guys let me pierce in here? And uh, you know, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, just you know, give us five bucks for piercing and and call it good. I was doing like, you know, 70 bucks for a ton, 100 bucks for a set of nickels, and she was expensive at the time. They seen me start making money. I was I started making pretty good money doing it. They were like, Well, how about we'll teach you how to tattoo, you teach us how to pierce. Well, I'd I end up going full-time tattooing. My my wife at the time, she ended up cheating on me again, and so or she had cheated on me a few times. I kind of got tired of her shit. I was working at Petsmart for a little bit. Well, I ended up meeting a little red-headed Pet Smart.
SPEAKER_03How many baby mamas do you have?
SPEAKER_01Four.
SPEAKER_03So where does baby mama number three come into the picture?
SPEAKER_01She's the one I met at Pit Smart.
SPEAKER_03That's the ginger.
SPEAKER_01I ended up knocking this chick up.
SPEAKER_03Pet Smart?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, me and the like 'cause I like I kind of was use that as an excuse to get out of the first marriage. My oldest daughter was 18 months. Uh I was at work one day tattooing. Uh she ended up beating my little girl. Um she shook her, slammed her down. She ended up having ba shaken baby syndrome.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Bruzing bleeding in her eyes. Uh yeah, she had uh you know concussion and whatnot. Uh Bruising bleeding on the brain. She had seizures for a while. But she was pregnant with my son, my third son. She ended up doing six months of jail while she was pregnant with my youngest son.
SPEAKER_03Six months in jail?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03For shaking baby syndrome?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, it was it got my dog killed. No, because I just played it blamed it on my dog. Like got my dog killed about it. I was pretty pissed.
SPEAKER_03How how do you know that it was her?
SPEAKER_01She ended up admitting, I I got I somewhere I have the fucking uh the police confession.
SPEAKER_03And all she did was six months and she lied to police. And she okay, hold on. So Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03What happens to the little girl?
SPEAKER_01She's fine.
SPEAKER_03Like totally fine?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she's fine. She had some seizures where she would like stare off in his face every once in a while for a little bit, but she's fine now. She's good. She's she's got my uh she's got two of my grandsons.
SPEAKER_03Okay, hold on. Whoa, let me back this up. The Pet Smart bitch got the dog killed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, to save her ass, yeah. Or try to. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's wrong. She worked at PetSmart.
SPEAKER_01Uh I know.
unknownI know.
SPEAKER_03You work at PetSmart and you blame it on the dog. Okay, so you have two children with you have two children with a pet smart lady. So the the Pet Smart Ginger, no.
SPEAKER_01You had the the my my first wife, I am two.
SPEAKER_03Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So the little girl wasn't even hers that she did this to.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03Hold on. So this is like your child from another relationship.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_03And the the pet smart ginger shook your daughter that was not her child and gave her shaking baby syndrome and she only did six months.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. She had a good attorney.
SPEAKER_03I'm blown away.
SPEAKER_01You have not like I'm telling you, my life is fucking wild. Like it's crazy.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03How did you listen, sir? You shot a man in the gut because he put his hands on your mom. What did you do to this girl?
SPEAKER_01Uh well, I got my kid.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01That was kind of the big scene.
SPEAKER_03Um the one that she was pregnant with?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01So I end up getting custody in. She got me put in jail.
unknownFor?
SPEAKER_01Uh sh well, sh domestic violence is what she said. When she said that I I she said I said I grabbed her by the hair, I slammed her into the dash, I headbutted her, and I pulled a gun on her. Right? And so the cops believed all that.
SPEAKER_03Did did any of that kind of happen? None of it. Not even.
SPEAKER_01I gra I grabbed her hair. I did grab her hair. She had freaked out on my son as well. Like I caught her in the one morning. She had picked him up. Like I was trying to get everything lined up. Get I got paperwork drawn up so I could get custody and and had all this shit, you know, that I was lining up in the background. And I was trying to keep an eye on him because she hadn't had it, you know what I mean? Like she hadn't had him yet. Uh when she had got out. And and I didn't I hadn't read the confession yet. I hadn't had access to it, so I didn't know.
SPEAKER_03Wait, so you did think it was the dog?
SPEAKER_01No, I didn't think it was the dog, but I didn't, but I didn't know what happened. You know what I'm saying? Like I fucking I didn't know what happened. But so I'm still trying to process all this, but I know I've got to get this kid away from the street.
SPEAKER_02So we're just kind of playing the game.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I'm just going through the motion. So when he was three weeks old, she fucking had an episode where and she like I was sleeping in bed and she fucking and he was in the crib right there in the room, and she fucking picked him up and grabbed him and went, you know, like she was gonna like, hey, what the fuck? And just because he was crying, you know, he was hungry. Anna, the fuck are you doing? And uh and she just oh freaked out and fucking you know ran out the room and I was like uh well I needed my car was broke down, so I needed my sister, I need to take my my sister to work so I could use her car. I took him with me and and went. When I come back, this bitch had took like three bottles of fucking Tylenol Codeine number threes, tried to kill herself. So she had to go to the hospital, you know, the neighbors are fucking shit. I'm like, I drug her into the bathroom at that point. I'm like, you need to fucking throw up. You're not leaving me in this world with this shit like this. Like, you're fucking crazy. You need to throw up right now. I was I'm gonna fucking choke you till you throw up, like, better do that. And so she went and and uh had to go to the hospital and all that shit. So I had paperwork drawn up, got her, she signed paperwork and everything, right? Give me full custody, but she had visitation every day for three hours a day, supervised. So it had to be supervised, it had to be either me or her mom or somebody like that. So I picked her up to be with the baby for her three hours, and uh mind you, I had I hadn't filed the paperwork yet, I just had it signed. Well, she was fucking some other dune. I didn't know it. I picked her up and she was fucking started a fight about something, and she was we'd put over out of school and she was changed the baby. And uh she said something, and I was trying to tell her, I'm like, no, it's not even like that. Like, you need to chill, like this is everything that's going on here. Are you serious? And I I grabbed her by a ponytail. I said, look at me when I'm talking to you and don't disrespect me. I said, This is fucking bullshit. And uh was that so then I I I took her back. Well her mom's her mom's calling, blowing up the phone, talking shit, and uh her mom said, I'm gonna call fuck cops on you, fucking kidnapped her, kidnapped her, motherfucker. She's having her visitation right now. Are you serious? Well, her mom's boyfriend at the time was going off, talking shit, and he's like, I don't know, 6'5, 280, talking shit like he's gonna fucking kill me.
SPEAKER_00Alright.
SPEAKER_01So I went to the tattoo shop and grabbed the throwaway gun that I had. And I was like, I'm gonna meet this dude then. And she used that, she said I pulled a gun on her. I didn't pull a gun on her, I pulled the gun out to go shoot him. My sister was taking her, so she seen it as a gun, whatever, you know what I mean? Like, so she just used all that. I didn't pull a gun on her. And then slammed her head into the dash or fucking none of that shit. But it's her word against mine, and you know how it goes. So that night, my first wife, she you know, she knew I'd had her up there, whatever. She was like, well, let's go do something. So me and her went and we were actually running naked through the speaker was at a park. I was on my way home. I took her home and I was headed back, and my sister calls me. She says, Hey, the cops just kicked your door in.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Stepping on Aaron's neck. Um, they're looking for you. What? For what? Call this cop. So I went to the fucking tattoo shop and I'm laying low. They're driving by, shining lights, fucking everything. I hid my car in the alley down the way. So I call this cop and he's like, Yeah, spousal abuse. My spouse, I said, I was just left with my with my wife, my first wife, you know. I was like, What are you talking about? Like, I've not been married again. He said, no. Uh, and he said her name, and I was like, oh, Petsmart.
SPEAKER_03Petsmart, not Petsmart.
SPEAKER_01All right. Well, um, yeah. I said, Well, that's bullshit. And he said, Well, he said, if we gotta find you, it's gonna be worse on you than if you just turn yourself in. So I turned myself in.
SPEAKER_03What'd you get for that?
SPEAKER_01What I give for that, uh, an attorney.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_01I played no contest so I could get out of jail and get back to business. I was really doing real good at that time. I was probably making about five grand a day.
SPEAKER_03Holy shit, tattooing?
SPEAKER_01Piercing mostly, but yeah, tattooing and piercing uh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Five thousand dollars a day?
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, rookie.
SPEAKER_03And what year was this? That was a lot of money.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That was a lot of money. Were you doing drugs?
SPEAKER_01No. Well, I mean, I was smoking weed.
SPEAKER_03But that's it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I never did it. I don't I can't me and Speed never got along. Like I've partied it, but I've I've never it's never been my and I don't like any other drugs. Like I sm I you know what I mean, like I I smoked weed since I was 11 up till Wow, hold on, back uh back. Six months ago.
SPEAKER_03That blows my mind because like with everything that you just got done telling me, it would make perfect sense for you to have been an addict and been on some shit.
SPEAKER_01I don't have I I just don't have the addic uh the addictive gene in me, I guess. I don't know what it is. Like, I don't have a lot of sympathy for addicts. Really? Because I don't, yeah, I just don't for me, I've just always had something that's meant more to me than to do that. And like I said, I I've seen my fucking my mom and stepdad doing it all the time. And well, she never did on on crate, like, but they s they sold it. They always did it. It was always around. You know what I mean? It just it just wasn't my thing.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm sure that it wasn't like it also wasn't glamorized to you because you saw it every day, so you were kind of desensitized towards it. It wasn't like a big, like, I want to try that because mommy won't let me. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. No.
SPEAKER_03Like it was just like right there. Like, hey, it's like a pizza, it's just sending on the table. Here you go.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, I mean, they kind of tried to hide it for the most part.
SPEAKER_03Did they?
SPEAKER_01I mean, it was on the low, but it wasn't, you know what I mean? Like, they didn't, like, if I walked in and something was going on, it wasn't shied away from.
SPEAKER_03Wow. Wow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01So they took me to jail. I told my sister, I say, call CPS. I said, make sure that that baby is not with that fucking girl. They somebody needs to get her. And my mom was living in Texas at the time. Uh, so my aunt was the next closest thing. She's the closest kin that I could have. Uh so while I was in there, uh, my aunt started the process of trying to get him. So he was in foster care for two weeks. And then my aunt got him when he was five weeks old.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so son goes into foster care for two weeks, and he is how old at this point?
SPEAKER_01Five weeks old.
SPEAKER_03Five weeks old, so he's a little bitty brand new baby. You go to jail for domestic violence. Pet Smart Ginger is where?
SPEAKER_01She's in Fresno somewhere.
SPEAKER_03And like while he's in CPS. So they end up taking him. Why? Because you told him about the shaking the baby thing or why?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because she had priors.
SPEAKER_03So they come in and take him. Now your aunt gets custody of your son.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_03And then then what happens?
SPEAKER_01I had to spend the next year and a half doing anger management, parenting classes, uh, all that shit. And then I had to jump through all their hoops, you know, and then I was working, I was still working, and not being single. And that was that was actually kind of a wild time. I got to where I had been at the shop. I apprenticed that. I was there for four and a half years. We got to the point and I was like, hey man, I feel like I can do, you know, any anything that you can do, I feel like I can do. And I I showed him a magazine. I said, when do I start doing this shit? This is what I want to do. And he's like, Well, from here on out, we learn together. I touch everything I know. Fuck. Okay, cool. So he was partying and and uh picking up another shop. And so I was basically running the shop like I'd come and the fucking lights would be off or something like the water would be shut off. So I just kind of instead of just giving him his cut every day, I would make sure the bills were on, you know what I mean, make sure the pay everything was paid, and then give him his money because he was just fucking it off. Then I ended up having to do both shops. So I ended up running two shops on learned management, uh, you know, doing that. And I'd be, I mean, it was wild. Like I'd be sitting there in the middle of a tattoo, and he'd call me from the bar and he'd be like, hey, I need to bring the stuff down here to do piercing. Like, what? He's like, Yeah, yeah, come on, give me a hundred bucks. Just do right, just turn real quick, take Timmy. So I'm like, fuck. Alright, so I'd have one of my groupies uh sit there with my client in in wait for me and uh run to the bar. I had to go pierce his chick's clit.
SPEAKER_02At the bar.
SPEAKER_01At the bar. In the bathroom, door open with everybody watching, set up on the back of the toilet, had her on the seat. It was wild. Hundred bucks, plus everybody tipped me. It was pretty yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER_03Dr. Aljay.
SPEAKER_01But so I got so so that kind of stuff I got kind of tired of. Uh so I ended up going to another shop. And this other shop, they had an excellent marketing in the way that they ran their business. Like they had tattoo and and piercing stuff was there. They sold a shit ton of body jewelry. Like, I mean, there was more options than you can count. Uh, and they sold clothing, and then they had like a coffee shop in the back.
SPEAKER_02They had it going on.
SPEAKER_01They had like a whole thing going on. And they wanted somebody to kind of, you know, kind of run it and do it, but they weren't paying worth the fuck. You're paying ten dollars an hour plus you get to keep your tips.
SPEAKER_03Okay, and this is after you were making like five grand a day?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. It was well. Well, I was I was bringing in five grand a day. I still had to give up my, you know, I mean my house. So I was only bringing home, you know, like $2,200 a day.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's it?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay. $10,000 a week, $40,000 a month?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_03Terrible money.
SPEAKER_01Back in the late 90s.
SPEAKER_03Wait, I have a question. We're gonna stop right there for a second. I have a question. What did that feel like for you? Knowing that you were raised as this extremely poor child, and then now you were making, you know, over $2,000 per day.
SPEAKER_01I mean, it it it felt good, but I I didn't like I don't know. I I just like I I lived it, you know what I mean? Like I I didn't save anything, I didn't invest anything, I didn't know anybody. You know what I mean? Like I just I was I was living it up. Everywhere I went, I I had, you know, an ounce of weed and uh a bottle of whatever I wanted to drink and and a 12 pack of coronas, and if I wanted to go do something, I'd do it. If I wanted to buy something, I'd buy it.
SPEAKER_03But I mean you were the kid that probably didn't get to do it and buy it, so it makes sense, right? So like you probably had to feel some type of way about I felt like a rock starter. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um but uh like at the time, like so tattoo groupies were a big thing.
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was I mean, it was crazy. Like I had a nice little following. I took on an apprentice. I ended up getting this house that uh well, I rented a house that I did a stone. It was on like 110 acres. There was three houses. I lived in the middle house, the big one. It was actually the original Pony Express stop between the uh Sierras and uh and the valley.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01I stayed in the I stayed in the middle house when when he went to my house, like there was a party every night where like I'd get there and there'd be, you know, 50 people at my house. Uh something going on, you know what I mean? Always we'd pull around, like we'd pull the cars around, we'd box on the fucking headlights, get drunk, we had an arena, you know, ride in the arena or fuck around, or go out in the field and do donuts. There's a party every night. But in order to get into my house, uh Misty would work the door, and there was patty chicks at the door. If you didn't have cute panties on, you had to take them off, or you had to fucking go home and change them, or whatever you or you weren't getting any. Like that was a real thing.
SPEAKER_03No way.
SPEAKER_01Guarantee.
SPEAKER_03Okay. And so you're living on you're living on 110 acres at this point. You're having panty parties.
SPEAKER_01Well, it wasn't panty parties. That was just the door, that was just the rule of the door. So after the panty checks and stuff, I was trying to get my kid back. Um from your aunt? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then where's your first child at this point? With the baby mama?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the first two. Well, the first boy and the first girl.
SPEAKER_03Okay, yes. And are you seeing them at this point?
SPEAKER_01Yes. Yeah, I I got to see them. My son would come out and hang out with me out at the ranch. That was a while. That whole place was wild. But CPS, they come out and they want to do a home inspection, you know, whatever, see if I can I was trying to get them back. And they were like, nah, this ain't gonna do it. Because it has a, you know, a hundred-year-old house. It needed some work, but it was it was safe. But, you know, being like it wasn't the prettiest house, they wanted me to show stability, so I picked up my second wife and moved into an apartment. Like I needed to show stability, so I found my way into a marriage. And um at 18 months I got my son back.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_01I had him for a while. On the weekends, he would go with my aunt and you know, whatever after after school or whatever. I ended up getting divorced from my second wife at right around five years. I got her a job, she was born at home, so I got her a job at my with my buddies, uh at my buddy's shop, and she ended up uh snorting oxycontins and banging his brother-in-law. So that went south. Uh, but I was I was kind of cheating on her most of the time then too, but if I really didn't, you know, I mean it was a convenience thing. After that, I was kinda alone for a little bit, and then I ended up meeting my third wife, and I was all about her, and then my my oldest son did some stuff that he shouldn't have done, and uh that kind of split my family up. And so there was a point there where she backburnered me because of the the situation. She went into mama mode and my son went to he went to uh jail for a little bit, and that was uh a big deal. She backburnered me and she was like, all right, well So we're getting separated. So we ended up getting separated, and uh she didn't divorce me for a few years, but we we got separated, then I moved out here.
SPEAKER_02Why'd you move here?
SPEAKER_01So I got a restraining order there. Uh my first wife, her new husband, him and I had issues. I I tried to beat him up a few different times. So they ended up getting a restraining order against me. And then my aunt, because I had custody of my son, my youngest, he was twelve. I took him up into the hills by Yosemite and moved up there and get away from all the bullshit and just removed myself from everything. And I went up there and uh my aunt and uncle convinced him to to take me to court, so they went to court and they took me for they took him from me.
SPEAKER_03Why?
SPEAKER_01Um, because they wanted a son, they never got one, and they've been kind of having him off and on, you know, that whole time. They wanted him full time.
SPEAKER_03How did they win that?
SPEAKER_01Because he was twelve, he was able to stay where he wanted to. They groomed him. Gave him all the video games, the cupcakes at video games, and all the food in his room, and let him do what he wanted.
SPEAKER_02Wait, how many kids do you have total? I have five kids that I've made with four baby moms.
SPEAKER_03What triggers you?
SPEAKER_01Stupid people.
SPEAKER_03Are you religious?
SPEAKER_01Um I'm I believe in God. Do you? I do. I last I started my ministry. Uh I I like I don't I don't like going to church. I kind of have my own relationship with God. Um I think a lot of the way that people interpret it, I think they they kind of uh uh manipulate it and use it to their advantage. Yeah. Uh so I I don't yeah, I mean I have trust issues.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I wonder why.
SPEAKER_01Well, so when it comes to religion, like I'm I'm uh, you know, I always hated school, but now I I totally enjoyed learning more than ever. Trying to learn as much as I can right now about everything.
SPEAKER_03Well, school was like a cage, right?
SPEAKER_01Right. I didn't like what they taught. You know, I mean they I mean they taught basic shit. Like I always excelled at math and science. That shit always kind of resonated with me. I was really good. I I excelled at math. Actually, when I was in kindergarten, they tried to put me in the third grade, but my mom she didn't want me to be bullied, so she said, no, so I've always been, you know, but I don't do homework. I don't like somebody else being able to tell me what to do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So there's a lot of us out there that don't do that well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so for a real question, does anything at all pierce your heart and make you emotional? Ever.
SPEAKER_01You're gonna laugh. Um yeah, you know, it makes me emotional, like happy, joystick. Like, um, so you ever seen uh Undercover Boss? No. You never seen Undercover Boss?
SPEAKER_03I don't watch any TV at all.
SPEAKER_01No. Uh well the premise of the show is the CEO of a company or whatever goes to big corporation and they'll go to different locations, uh, you know, their franchises or whatever. And uh he goes in as an employee and tries to figure out, you know, what's going on. Uh at the end of the show, there's a big reveal, you know, oh hey, I'm I'm the I'm the CEO, you know. And then he starts handing out scholarships and bullshit. I fucking cry almost every time.
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Why?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh because I like to see people getting crying now.
SPEAKER_02I like to see people getting good stuff done to them. Because there's not been a lot of good in my direction. That's it, see?
SPEAKER_01Talk about being happy for somebody else. That's like I I get excited when I talk about the community outreach program that I had planned.
SPEAKER_02Uh and just a good that I know it can do for people. That excites me and it chokes me up like I'm choked up right now.
SPEAKER_01Uh just to think that I could make some people's lives better. Uh that excites me.
SPEAKER_02It makes me that's what gets to me. Like anything else?
SPEAKER_01I'm pretty uh pretty solid on topic. I don't uh death doesn't bother me, I'm used to it. Um I've been experiencing, you know, so much of it, yes. Everybody around me has cancer or something. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03So numb to it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So that but people having something good done for them gets you.
SPEAKER_01Every time, even just talking about it, thinking about it. Chokes me out, tears me out right now.
SPEAKER_03What do you wish good would have happened for you when you were a little boy and how would it have changed your life?
SPEAKER_02What would I wish good? I don't know. I wish I would have been shown the right way to uh do things, care myself, handle business. I mean there's I wish I could be in a better position for my kids.
SPEAKER_01Now I just wanna set it up so that my grandkids don't have to go through all the shit that I'm at. That's what I'm trying to do better.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm really proud of you. I am. I'm really proud of you. You've lived one hell of a fucking life. You're still alive.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm not an addict.
SPEAKER_03And you're not an addict.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's that.
SPEAKER_03Do you think that the reason that when you see something good like that happen for someone, obviously because there wasn't a lot of good that happened for you. Do you think that that's more about relief or is it more about rescue?
SPEAKER_02I think they go hand in hand.
SPEAKER_03I mean shoulders up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Watching.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I'm I've had to Yeah, I mean, I've had to watch my back, I've had to fucking carry extra weight. I mean, I've had to do all kinds of yeah, that's it. That's what these things here are built.
SPEAKER_03If you could go to yourself at the roughest point of your entire childhood. Let's go to childhood. You could go to that little boy in his hardest moment when he's alone. You could say anything to him that he and something that you could say right now as a 50-year-old man. What would you say to him right now if you could go teleport back then? What did he need to hear?
SPEAKER_01Stab him. Stab them all.
SPEAKER_03You think that would have comforted him?
SPEAKER_02I fucking guarantee it would have.
SPEAKER_03Why?
SPEAKER_02Why? Because then nobody would fuck with him. Like, they'll just stay away if they think you're crazy. If everybody's worried about you gonna stab them, they're gonna keep you distance.