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Are 300-Yard Rimfire Stages More Luck Than Skill?
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Do 300-yard targets make a PRS Rimfire match more challenging—or do they introduce too much luck?
In this episode, we break down why extreme-distance rimfire stages can turn into an ammo race, how changing wind conditions affect match fairness, and why a well-designed course of fire doesn’t need excessive distance to challenge great shooters.
We also discuss the importance of higher round-count regionals, why 12-round stages may give shooters an advantage heading into the National Finale, mental rehearsal, quick parallax adjustments, and the “hustle points” that can save valuable time on the clock.
Plus, we recap the latest regional results, preview the stacked matches coming up August 22–23, and look at who could become the first shooter to enter Nationals with a perfect 400.
All right, welcome back to another PRS Rimfire podcast. Here with my good buddy Greg Stewart. We got a lively one for you. We go through some comments and stuff from uh last weekend, but uh uh uh this week, Greg, what are we talking about?
SPEAKER_02We're looking at what regionals are coming up on the 22nd, 23rd, as well as kind of the importance of maybe a higher round count regional.
SPEAKER_03Uh Greg and I coming to you uh this week for the next Piero round two of the Pierre Srimfire podcast. Uh we're gonna keep track, we're gonna keep counting uh how many of these we do. What if what if we had a thousand?
SPEAKER_02Podcasts?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Let's keep going.
SPEAKER_02How long would that take?
SPEAKER_03That would take a while. I mean, we would uh well, a few years anyway, but uh yeah, anyways, we're um uh this this weekend I'm actually at a uh Pro Series match here in Wisconsin. Uh it feels weird saying that because we were the last pro series match directors, but getting ready for the Wisconsin Barrel Maker this weekend. Uh and we're camping, so I'm in an RV and have the whole setup. I went with the headset this week and and uh AI camera that who knows what's gonna happen here, too. My son's in here with me, so he might uh he might make an appearance. He's still sleeping now, so all good. Yeah, Greg, how was your week, bud?
SPEAKER_04Pretty good, pretty good. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Pretty good week at work.
SPEAKER_03So at work, did you get out and shoot it off?
SPEAKER_02No, I'll probably start training maybe tomorrow.
SPEAKER_03Probably start training tomorrow. There's always tomorrow, Greg. I'll put it off.
SPEAKER_02I'll be going to the gym. There you go. Love it. Love it. You can burn yourself out if you shoot too much.
SPEAKER_03Um maybe I can, but for for sure. I man, it was interesting, like getting ready for this pro series match. I in in in center fire, center fire is inherently just different, right? Like, I the the best part about rimfire for me is that like my gun is uh it seems like it's always dialed in. All I need to do is grab a couple handfuls of ammo and head to a match. And it seems it just seems like, yeah, check zero, maybe make a an adjustment here, there, and it's like I'm ready to shoot a match. And like center fire is just so much more work. I did tell you, yeah, yeah, and like loading ammo and and then getting everything together, and it seems like your zero is never well, at least me, and it's never perfect, so you're making adjustments and yeah.
SPEAKER_02No, my my I guess my point, because I have a regional to prepare for coming up, is to uh first get my course set up and behind my house. It's ready, it just needs clear, like re-cleared, and kind of get your get all your gear where it's easy and accessible. It's like bringing your gym bag to work. If you don't get it prepped the night before, you're probably not gonna bring it with you, and you're probably not gonna get that workout in. So I'll get everything set up and then that way when I get home from work each night, I can go back, shoot 100 rounds. But I'll I'll start feathering that in as we get closer to the to the actual match.
SPEAKER_03I love that. That's a great analogy too about uh Jim Beck, too. Like if you had your if you had your rifle, you know, if uh let's say, you know, folks that don't have the opportunity to train at home, if you just had your rifle with ammo ready to go in your truck, you know, with some targets and something you could go staple up at the local gun range, like you're far more likely to do it that you know on your way home from work than it's like, well, I'll go home, I'll get everything, and then go to the, you know, then go to the range and and do it, right? Let's take a brief break in the show to give a shout-out to one of our partners, Anschutz, title partner and official rifle at Pierre S Rimfire. Anschutz has been setting the standard for rimfire accuracy for generations. The rifles have a long history of winning at the Olympic level, and today more than 97% of biathletes worldwide compete with an Anschutz. They bring that same precision, quality, and experience to the rifles built for Pierre S Rimfire. We're proud to have them as a title partner and the official rifle at Pierre S Rimfire. Go check them out. Anschutz North America.com.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you gotta prepare to practice, right?
SPEAKER_03I love it.
SPEAKER_02Or prepare to train. I'm looking forward to what's happening?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I was gonna ask, well, what are you looking forward to? I want to hear that first.
SPEAKER_02Well, I uh I started paying in the podcast, paying attention to the podcast more. I saw you interrupt uh Kale. So what matches that that he's gonna skull drag this guy? I don't know who it is, but I there's there's like one guy, probably the PRS, I wouldn't I would not screw with, and it's a Marine. So yeah, of his of his nature.
SPEAKER_03So K Kale, Kale is a is a force for sure. He's a he's a big dude. He's I mean he he he was a Marine. Now he um yeah now he's army marksmanship unit. Um I mean he's covered, he's got like the sniper tat on his forearm, like yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So what what what match is that? Because I always like that was half kind of coming in. I was like, ooh, uh I kind of want to I kind of want to go on impact and look at this and see how the results go.
SPEAKER_03So so i actually I'll I'll bring it up here. So we're uh I'm sharing my screen here. It's a pro series. Um matches. That is it's the Oregon match, West Coast Redemption, September 12th to the 14th.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. So it's out there, it's away, so it's not this weekend.
SPEAKER_03No, it's not this weekend, yeah. If if anybody has an opportunity to go listen to that uh the PRS show, we so we brought Kale on to talk about his win last week at the Manors meltdown match in in Missouri, and Kale just flat out said he's gonna he's he's going to this West Coast match in Oregon just to beat Dan Bredicini like a drum. Dan is probably half his size. No joke.
SPEAKER_02Is it really like uh is it is it yeah.
SPEAKER_03But I I think it's I think it's still friendly. Um Dan's leaning into it, though. Dan's leaning into it. If you see Dan social media, he he uh he he he's embracing it and he's he's ready for it. Dan's a good shooter too. Uh Kale's probably he's probably the best shooter, center fire shooter right now. Like he's just had a year, he's four or five pro matches and all that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02No, it made it fun. It made me want to look at it. I was like, oh, this is cool.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's the point, right? Yeah, right. Who so when when is the uh well I sp I have this information, right? I could uh the Northeast finale on the 29th 29th of August here, yeah. So um who are you gonna beat like a drum? There's six of you guys.
SPEAKER_02Dude, I if I gotta talk shit, I'm doing it on Matt Steiner. You know, well because he beat me last year there, so he did.
SPEAKER_03He did so I'm gonna click on rim fire. Let's look at um, scroll down to results here and then look at the northeast.
SPEAKER_02So I'd say Christman. It's hard to say. We've got a few folks coming over to shoot it. Chrisman's really good. Uh doesn't shoot fire a lot, but he does. He does it good. Um I'd say Borselino, he didn't get to shoot ours last year. Uh I'm just saying like eat at like really good competition right now. He uh didn't get to shoot it last year because he hurt his back. Came down and like helped out all day anyway uh in the rain. So and him and I are actually like doing uh uh kind of like a shared Google sheet where we're gonna put our reps and shots in for the two weeks leading up so we can kind of motivate each other to like come in our best to try to shoot to shoot against each other.
SPEAKER_03So that's an accountability partner, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, all figure direct competition, right? So yeah, yeah, that's the difference between ego and self-image, you know.
SPEAKER_03Sure, I love it, I love it. We're learning here too. Um well let's let's talk a little bit about what happened last weekend. So uh so far we have the central, which we talked about uh last week on the show here, and then we have the northwest.
SPEAKER_02And yeah, let's start with northwest, that was pretty exciting.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02So one of uh one of the juniors, yeah, one of the juniors that's been shooting USA matches, Ava Duffy. She she came in and uh she got them all. She got them all by a few.
SPEAKER_03So let's actually look up that match. Um, I suppose I could click on Ava's profile here.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. So that was pretty awesome to see. That uh looked like they had a hard match too. Like there was, you know, everybody dropped some points. It wasn't like a match where the winner dropped two. Yeah. So you're gonna be thinking all day. Probably went.
SPEAKER_03Where was this match uh held? Do you recall?
SPEAKER_02Northwest. All right, there he is. Cosa?
SPEAKER_03Is that what it is? Central Oregon, yeah, Cosa. Yeah, and that's ironically enough, that's where um that's the same range that uh Gail's gonna beat Dan Burdochini on the drum. Yeah. Okay. So Ava drops eight, Wade Yoakum drops eleven. Wow, there's a three-way tie for dropping here. Yep, yeah, and there's a lot of that one all day, and uh it was really cool to see, you know.
SPEAKER_01It's really cool to see.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Ava drops two, yeah. I never drop more than two on a single stage. That's pretty solid performance strike on the tiebreaker.
SPEAKER_02So she's at a 397 and a half about for her. So still no 400.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, if you talk national standings here, and let's let's do that. Uh, if I click all regions, she's currently in a lead by four tenths over John Stahock that won uh central region, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh there's no matches this weekend as far as finales go. There's some qualifiers, but the following weekend there's four. So that's the weekend that's gonna uh we'll see if we get our first 400. Yeah. We're we're we're we're we're bound to get one or two. I mean, either out of the Great Lakes, Southeast, um, New England, Northeast.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, and you know, there was uh there was a lot of comments on last week's video. Um, I'm just gonna go over to YouTube here and um see if I can bring it up and we could look at some of the kinds. Actually, let me just easier do it on my phone.
SPEAKER_02Um It was kind of weird watching it. I mean, I'd never really watched myself before. I figured I should in case I was doing something like weird, you know.
SPEAKER_03Did you notice anything weird? Oh, not really. Not really, good, good. Um we did have a lot of comments on this here, so uh a lot of people saying love to see matches get tougher. Um Greg Stewart, you should make it your goal to attend a few matches in all regions. This way you'll have a better understanding of how many are conducted. However, it might not be a lot, it might be a lot to learn before you guys start making changes, as our regional director mentioned.
SPEAKER_02I think I probably have. Um I've been to every region except for the southwest. Yeah. I've been to every, I mean, with the USA qualifier series two years in a row, like two cycles in a row. I don't know if there's a region I haven't been to besides the southwest. So and I was about to go there and got the flu. So I think I've been to most of them.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Um, yeah, what uh have you noticed any differences in different regions for how people shoot rampire?
SPEAKER_02Or how uh timing? Yeah, some some folks maybe have a little higher round count. Uh I know for a while, like the Southeast was a lot of 90-second floor times. That was a little different. Um you go to matches that's two minutes, you're like, oh wow, I forget forever. Yeah. But for the most part, it's pretty consistent. I don't know, pretty consistent, right? It's matched to director dependent. There's some local influence on how they do things. You know, I think like we used to do a lot of mental stuff here, and that's kind of tapered off a little bit, but you know, when one range starts doing it, the other one starts doing it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, I I think across the entire sport, like uh there used to be a lot of mental stuff because I I and I think in general, um match directors have always maybe not always, but I think they're starting to figure out that it shouldn't be the match director versus the field. You know, it should be the match director putting on something that's gonna be challenging, but um it's also entertainment, right? Right, like in and if you're just putting on like it's all nothing but mental gymnastics and you're you know you're trying to catch somebody and and and and fool 'em. Um yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um one of the uh one of the comments that uh I read in a couple spots, and and we'll we'll go through the foothills and and and the others too, and look at standings here in a minute, but one of the comments on our on our last podcast was uh and and I saw it a couple times, like um, can you explain why we limited the max distance and how the max like going past that is a challenge, right? Because that was probably the theme of the last podcast was like, hey, you know, let's let's make more challenging matches. But um, you know, the comments that I'm reading are saying, like, well, yeah, but you limited the max distance, so you're you're actually taking the challenge out of it, right? And I think I understand that taking the luck out of it.
SPEAKER_02That's what I'm doing. I mean, really, uh how I mean, intercity who made the comments, right? And how long they've shot for and at like what level. So if they're missing most of their targets at 150 yards, then missing their targets at 300 probably doesn't even like go up on the radar that it's a luck piece after that distance. Uh right. You know, you get over nine mils, there's just no need.
SPEAKER_03There's no need to dial that much into a rim fire scope, and then the cone of fire, the drop these bullets have, and the other factors you introduce to them is if you're past nine mils on center fire too, like you're you're introducing a an extreme amount of luck into unless you're shooting like a huge magnum round, right? Like a 300 norm or something like that, which you know, not 10 mils like that. I'm still carrying, but the grid.
SPEAKER_02And every time you talk to a max trucker who loves to run stuff at 300 yards, they always say, Oh, our targets are really big. And it's like, yeah, you have to make them enormous. You're shooting a car hood out there, which it could be a novelty to some people, right? But to those who like want their score to do well and want to think the luck piece out of it, I mean, it kind of becomes like an ammo race. So, yeah, I can do it. My ammo has an ES of 12, you know. But what about the guy who doesn't have the the money to go lot test 30 lots? Yeah, his extreme spread is gonna be twice mine, his group size is gonna be seven to eight tenths vertical versus two tenths vertical at that distance. And I'm gonna beat him with dollars, you know, uh, and maybe a little bit of wind watching out there, but your vertical spread opens up, your left to right, right to left from from your wind push affects it a lot more. It's like a softball coming in. Um and it's just not needed. I mean, you can run a really solid match to 25 and in. Um that is the equivalent of shooting a thousand yards. And if if center fire shooters were out shooting 1,700 yards, if they were putting 17 mils in their gun or 13 mils in their gun, they're gonna be like, what are we doing? This is an ELR. Go, go, go do ELR, right? Um, so I would say that's it. I don't I don't think shooting long distance is challenging, uh, any more challenging. I'd say it it in it induces a piece of luck into it because you just can't consistently hold groups whenever you get getting big wind. Uh where you can't, like inside 200 yards, I don't care what wind you throw at me. We're gonna make a wind call, we're gonna, we're gonna get on plate. But you get out there and it just starts to open up, and you're like, I'm I'm here, I'm two mils right, I'm up, I'm down. Yeah, the wind dies down for the guy in the morning or the guy in the afternoon, they're gonna smoke you on that stage. So but like in 200 yards with an eight tenth wind, my rifle can still hold an an inch and a half group vertical. That is not happening. It's just not with an eight-tenth wind.
SPEAKER_03So another thing, another thing that um poison a factor too when you're trying to shoot 300 yards, and you know, and I I I get it, we can have hit indicators all over targets and whatnot, but um you know actually my first experience shooting kind of this long range, and maybe you remember this, at um the 2023, wasn't it 23 uh finale in Missouri? Or was it 24 that Doug put on? And it was it was wasn't down like a power line the power line cut or something like that that was um it was all the yeah, that's right. 23 was at MKM, 24 was at uh was there in Missouri at Doug's place, but it was it was the furthest walk away from like the parking lot, and we're shooting down this cut off a off of a platform. And it was a long-range stage. Uh was it 250, 275, 300, something like that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it ain't a lot of people watch.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, and and I and one of the things that I remember about that was Yeah, they were skylined, and you're talking about a 40, you're trying to see if a 40 gram bullet hits a car hood, you know, at 300 yards away, and if the lighting conditions and stuff change any any little bit, like you might not see it, you know.
SPEAKER_02And I know Doug had a good size target. His targets were perfectly sized, they weren't enormous for those ones. So yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03Which is exactly. And I one of the things, um one of the things that I remember about that was uh as squad one, two, or three came through, I I want to say that the hit indicators were not always working, right? So or or some you know, I I remember I remember there being some debate about that, and it's like, man, if you don't have perfect hit indicators and you don't have a really well oiled machine, you know, and or a way to go down there and and and replace those, like now we're introducing luck, and then we're also introducing like did he hit it? I don't know, right? You know, yeah, the it's it's lucky if the RO sees it, you know, or the people the shooters in the glass see it. So I I agree with it. Like I but shooting enough center fire stuff, you know, I I don't want to shoot past a thousand yards, you know. Um I get the novelty of it though, and in back in 2009 when I started shooting, like I wanted to shoot a mile, you know, and I had my 308, uh 16 inch or 18-inch 308 that has no business shooting a mile, you know, and and I remember man, I remember the first time shooting long range. I think I think it was like 15-1600 yards at like a 30 inch by 30 inch plate. And I I'm sending sending rounds with the same hold and watching bullets just go all the way around it, you know, and that's basically the scenario we're talking about here at 300 yards. Yeah, you can literally make a perfect hold, you know, and you're gonna you're gonna miss the target more than half the time, you know.
SPEAKER_02There's just a difference of what you find fun whenever you're like doing it for novelty or if you're a competitor. And you know what I mean? So especially when you get in like a match that's meaningful. Now you're boy, but nice to get those targets in the morning. And if you don't, if they don't set up, you know, every other stage is a long distance stage, then you get this disparity across your match. It's something that Chris did really good at his magnolia meltdown. He had a fair amount of stuff at 200 yards, but it was like every other stage, and then we shot evens one day, odds the next day. So you never got like lucky with where you were at in the match, or you got this half on this on the day that was calm, and then this half on the day that was windy, that every other even odds. So it takes a match director with a lot of experience if you're gonna start running longer distance stages all the time to put a bunch of them in there. Some ranges, you know, they can't get that many out there. So they'll have one or two stages if there's there's a you know, you know, yep, five.
SPEAKER_03So uh I'm I'm helping put the course of fire on for the Great Lakes rim fire finale. And uh we can't be a good one. I I guarantee it will be worth it. I think that's the matter to watch.
SPEAKER_02I mean, of all the matches, I was thinking that Southeast was probably the most competitive, but and you look at the amount of 300s in Great Lakes and who's shooting it, I don't like. That's kind of the match to watch. I mean, I'll be shooting that day, but I'll be kind of. I don't really don't look at scores when I shoot. That's it. Yeah. So my opinion, though, is something we should do.
SPEAKER_03But I agree. I I don't either. Ron Varan, Eric Leopold, which is awesome. Like he's a uh he's from South Carolina, but he he shot a few uh Great Lakes matches this year and chose Great Lakes as his region. Uh Alex Tomlinson, Brad Hulselton, Lily Knapp, Connor Skalonik, and Luke Giggit's a good shooter. He's he's local to us. Uh Ryan Sen. Um I can't believe yeah, he's 297, but I could see Ryan Ryan won one of the last ones at this range.
SPEAKER_02Uh it's gonna be, I think that's the one of the matches to watch. Like that'll be this next weekend, and that we can be like the really those next three three weekends. Three weekends will be pretty good to watch.
SPEAKER_03So uh we had a meeting out there at the range uh Wednesday night. So it's myself and and Chet Winkler that are putting it on. Uh Chet's a really good shooter, he's a really good center fire shooter and a really good rim fire shooter. Um and we we we we had Andy Carrz out there who's uh who's a match director at this local range. Um and he's saying, All right, here's the areas that I want you to shoot. And um three, three, four, five, there's five like areas to this this range. Um four out of the five areas make a lot of sense. And the fifth area is it's um it's way off to the side. It would take uh you're probably not walking there, you're gonna need transportation to get there. And it's it's like a 300-yard long-range cut. He's like, I really want to use this for the Great Lakes finale. And I, Andy, I'm not throwing you under the bus here, by the way, if you're listening to this. Well, yeah, yeah, there's that. He understood that really well, but he's like, I really want to use this in this long-range area. And like for developing a fair, fair across the board uh course of fire that allows everybody to kind of shoot in all the same conditions, you know, kind of like you're explaining, like a long-range stage every stage, or a really precision movement heavy stage every third or fourth stage, and doing that rotation. Like Andy, sorry, it it's not gonna fit with what what we're trying to do, which is put on the highest caliber, most fair patch. Um, so we, you know, the chet and Andy and I decided like, hey, we're um that is more of a novelty type thing, and we're gonna have that open on Friday for for sight in, and we will put targets all the way out to 300, and there'll be like truing bars and different different size targets that um you know good sized targets that everybody can make sure there's stuff styled in on, but like that's not it's just not gonna be used for the for the actual match. What we're actually doing for the match with the four different areas is we're gonna have basically a morning rotation and an afternoon rotation. So it's gonna be twice as much walking, but you're gonna shoot like area one, two, three, four in the morning, and then you're gonna start over again, shoot area one, two, three, four in the afternoon. Um like that. Yeah. Twice as much walking. Twelve stages or 10 stages. 12 stages. Um this is important, right?
SPEAKER_02So, and um MKM gets this because we've I ran regionals there, Sousie runs them there now. You're not doing your region credit if you make a course of fire that is less than 100 shots. So your region can actually your shooters can benefit by you going over 100. Because if you get call it 120, 130 rounds, you know, a number divided by a number greater than 100 is less than one. But if you're under 100, if there are 99 impacts, then every miss below that is greater than a point. And when they go into the nationals, you're not setting your region up for success if you have a low route count or low stage count. So that's one of the reasons why we have in the rules that it should be 12 stages. And if you want to set your shooters up for maybe a little bit of an advantage for your region, I mean it's still gonna earn their score, put your round count up to 130, 120, they're gonna be at around 105, 110 out of a number, and they're gonna be a fractionally a little better.
SPEAKER_03You're right. So uh and I'm not saying that chat and I are gonna do this when we develop this course of fire, but it will, you know, what we could make this just a flat out shootout where you know, say Ron or Eric drop one one impact, you know.
SPEAKER_02Eric came to our regional just to shoot it for fun last year, and he whooped the shit out of everybody, and it was a hard match that Sonoski and Mitch put together, and it was really windy, and all of us are like, How in the heck is he doing this? Like it was he put 10 points on Matt, like 17 points on me, and it was like holy like how, you know, uh, probably the greatest shooting performance I've ever been, I've ever seen. Like, because I was I was shooting the same match, and I was like, How in the heck is he doing this? So he has the ability to do that, uh, so even if you make it really hard.
SPEAKER_03So you um this is this is a uh a conversation that I had with Chet this last week. Um and I think we're gonna we're gonna try to do 12 round stages across the board. So every every stage will and we're gonna go um yeah, we're I we're gonna go at least a minute and 45 seconds, 100 uh 105 seconds, probab probably go two minutes. Um you know, we're we're planning on 50 to 60 shooters and and the rotation, we'll have enough time. But um in center fire, I like everything to be 10 round stages. I think 10 is perfectly fair. I think that's enough uh enough abuse on a rifle, you know, on a barrel system, um, you know, during a match. And I uh one of the things that I really like is if you every stage is 10 rounds, um you know, inevitably you're gonna have some different conditions throughout the day. Um when those conditions hit you, let's say it's you know uh a half hour where the wind speeds up like crazy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh you're not exposed to more than another exposed, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if during that half hour um you shot the eight-round stage, you know, and do seven out of eight, like you only drop stage, maybe get up stage or something like that. You only drop one impact during the hardest conditions of the day. But if you ended up on the 12-round uh long-range troop line, you know, and you drop six out of twelve, now you just get penalized, right? So I think going you know, in center fire anyway, I think 10 rounds, 10 round stages across the board is the most fair way to handle this so that everybody everybody has the same opportunity throughout the day, right? Depending right, you know, not dependent on what stage you're on. For rim fire, though, is is 12 rounds that perfect balance? I mean everybody has a 12.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's 10 dependent. Yeah, dependent on the the the time. If they're running 90, I'd say it's 10. If it's 105, so I'd say it's 12.
SPEAKER_03Okay, 105 is appropriate for a 12 round stage, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Or I mean you depends how much pain you have and how many targets you have, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03Multiple engagements, same distance, uh, same target or something like that, you know, send that, then it's not a big deal because you're gonna send a follow-up shot within three or four seconds, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Interesting. I think, yeah, you know, chat and I were debating that. Like that should it be all 12? 12 saves, 12 rounds, 144 rounds. You know, that's a lot. But if you give everybody enough time, um, and like what you're saying, you know, if you want to help your region out, higher the round count. Yeah, it does does give you a little bit of an advantage because at 144, now whatever every loss is or every miss is like six-tenths of a point. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_02That's you know, people don't dive that deep into it, but you're like, man, you're really helping your region out whenever they go to nationals. And it's harder to get beat by a bigger disparity, whatever. I mean, some of those targets are big spall, right? Or something like that. You know, every shot's not going to be generally be the same. Like the follow-up shot, you should hit it if it's you know, double tap, shouldn't miss miss. Um, but worlds was 90 seconds, 12 rounds with a fair amount of movement. It was as hard as it probably could be. Um, it's that way, and every every stage was pretty much as hard as the next one. So like Benwood did it and and the other team there did a great job with it. But boy, 105s would have been perfect because at 12 rounds, 90 seconds. If you wanted to watch your bullet impact, right, you didn't have time for any mistakes. You had to have perfect process on where you're gonna go next. Like those metal reps better be perfect. Thinking about, you know, you can't you don't have to have a look at your dope card. The dope card's just a backup, you know, it's all in your head.
SPEAKER_03You have to. I mean, seriously, you know, yeah, you gotta memorize it all. Let's take a brief break in the show to give a shout out to one of our partners, Anschutz, title partner and official rifle, Pierre's Rimfire. Anschutz has been setting the standard for rimfire accuracy for generations. The rifles have a long history of winning at the Olympic level, and today more than 97% of biathletes worldwide compete with an Anschutz. They bring that same precision, quality, and experience to the rifles built for PRS Rimfire. We're proud to have them as a title partner and the official rifle at PRS Rimfire. Go check them out, Anschutz North America.com.
SPEAKER_02You know, you look at these um IDPA or uh Ipsic shooters, and they do 10 to 12 mental rehearsals for every stage, right? Because they've got all right, my feet go here, double tap, steel, popper, boom, boom, boom, boom. So if you watch like uh Steve Anderson is a mental coach, uh shooting coach, he's I mean, he's done it a lot for PRS too. He's mostly a pistol, he's you know, 90% a pistol guy, but he's from the Land of Bashion School of Mental Management. That's something he teaches, is these mental reps, especially in the pistol world, are huge. In the rim fire side, I think it's just as big because I don't I use a dope card in case something happens, but I never look at it. It's all it's all mental memory, and you just walk through the stage five or six times, commit to how you're gonna do it, don't watch someone else do it and change your plan. Commit to how you're gonna do it, just constant mental reps, and then put your dope on your turret and just go. And then that way that's all subconscious skill. And then you can think about the wind. But if you're trying to think about what you do next, you're not thinking about the wind. Or you're thinking about to do next, and you're thinking about the wind, and then you're you're you're you're doing too many conscious things while you're trying to shoot.
SPEAKER_03So yeah. So uh one of the things you mentioned there was marking your turret, right? Like and I think I think if your turret's marked, I think it's then easy to like that's one less thing you have to think about or keep keep juggling. I you move to the next, you move the the next mark on your turret or um you know the next color or whatever it is. Yep. Um do you so obviously you mark your turret, right? Um how much are you like say on a out and back troop line that goes from 40 yards to 200 yards? So you know, you might have like 40, 50, 80, 100, one, 150, 200, and then reverse that, right? That's kind of an easy one because you just go to the next mark on your turret, but uh during that process, how how much are you actually adjusting parallax to?
SPEAKER_02It depends. So, yeah, I got a strategy for that. Um generally I shoot a theta and I don't need to adjust parallax because it's probably your one of your best. I wouldn't need adjusting. Oh 40? You said 40? Uh, I thought you said 140. I was like, yeah, I wouldn't need to touch it. Um 40 to 200. I would um I would just take my paint pen and I would say, I want it to be quick. I don't want to think, right? So I would mark my, I would get my middle parallax for my uh for my wit for my parallax and I would put a dot. I'd have two dots, and I'm I'm gonna make my turn, go to the dot, and I'm not gonna think. So I'd preset my dot on my parallax side. Um a lot of times it depends if setting your target big. I'll just unfocus my eye. Like I don't know if you just change your focus in your eye, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, instead of looking at the target, you just make sure that you can see your reticle, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I guess like internally, whenever I do it, I just make my eye focus on something else, and then I can see it, and then I'll shoot it. That makes sense.
SPEAKER_03No, it doesn't.
SPEAKER_02Sounds like obviously you can't like you have to have good eyes, you can't wear glasses, but no, that's generally what I do is because parallax is important. Like let's say you go buy a $5,000 optic, but you're gonna shoot blurry targets because you you don't think that's a second to adjust your parallax. Um, so I just I mark them. I preset what's gonna be good. So I know I go to target three, I die out of this one, dot of this, instead of thinking where's the number at on my parallax, you know, yeah, where's 150? No, I just put a dot there and then I roll up and roll down. Got it. Yeah. And have a plan, yeah. It's all part of that. It's like have a plan, know when you're gonna do it, and then it's part of what you're gonna do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, when you get to target three or whatever, you go to your second parallax number and then you those engagements, and then you get back there, you know. Like, I need to reverse my parallax out.
SPEAKER_02Your hand's already up there, so it's as long as it's marked and you don't have to like, oh, now it's good. No, do all that on the side. That's all preparation, right? It should be part of your checklist, is adjust parallax. Maybe adjusting parallax is I need two parallax points, and just put your paint marker on there.
SPEAKER_03So I uh I had a conversation with Tate Streeter. Uh this this is probably like six, six or seven, it was probably during COVID or around that time, where you know, and Tate Tate won a uh a bunch of pro series matches and you know is a really good shooter, but that type of thing he calls hustle points. You know, where you just you know put a little bit of time in before your you start your engagement and like you know, like making those marks. I mean, do you actually get points from that? No. But does it save you time and and a bunch of mental energy? Yeah, that's a hustle point. Like you can work on that prior to I've lost points not doing it.
SPEAKER_02You know, that's how I learned to do it. Was we read a national one year and I timed out with like two shots left, and I had messed with my parallax a bunch, trying to make it good, you know, for perfect. And I thought I just marked it, right? So it was a lesson that I learned. I wrote my journal, I'm looking for a solution to quick parallax adjustments.
SPEAKER_03Right? Which seems obvious now, right? What the just market, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But it's those lessons of like failure that teach you how to do things right sometimes because then you think, well, what's the solution to it? And that's something you learn in metal management is you never write the things you've done wrong, you write the solutions you're looking for, right? So take first round cracks, perfect scenario. I was tired of missing first shots high, right? I watched Chris shoot over stuff with a first round crack, me do it. And I thought I'm gonna figure this out. So I did. Now you see people cover their cover their boards, and it took me six to eight months, but I figured out why it was doing it and what was causing it, how to stop it. Um, but it's all from failure, right? It's shooting everything, just being pissed off about it and losing by one or two and being like, well, I've had four shots go over targets on the first rounds. Why is it doing this? How does this happen?
SPEAKER_03How do I stop it? Yeah, yeah. Which that's funny too. When when I first started shooting rim fire, I thought that was BS. And then I I remember the yeah, I remember the exact spot I was at. Um and I, you know, get into a uh position on a barricade, close my bolt, take my first shot, and I'm like, boy, that sounded different. You know, and then right over top of the target, I'm like, mm-hmm. Oh, that's that's what we're talking about. Got it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, four tenths high.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. You're like, what? Yeah, I think yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I watched it. And then it's gonna be normal. Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02And different barrels do it differently, you know, so and different waxes on bullets keep your barrel moisture, and that's why it's the dryness of your barrel that's doing it. Yeah, that's yeah, it's uh crazy. But for six or eight months, I remember I'm talking to Justin Carbone, and he's like data nerd, also. And we're just like we're measuring ammo temperature, we've got laser thermometers, we're trying to like every single thing you could think of. One day I was out at MKM and I was shooting, there was a headwind. I was doing tests on this, I was running like a chamber chiller to try to get it to deuce it. And uh boy, it only took like 20 seconds for that headwind, and every time it would do it. I was like, oh, it's wind. It's just it's just drying everything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, air moving, air moving through your barrel. Yeah, that's changing it. That's wild. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. All right, let's talk. Uh still sharing my screen here. Let's talk food hills. They're uh they had their match last weekend too. Uh I got I got the names here for you. Uh Gordon Petkow, uh Darren Nagel, and Adam Glad.
SPEAKER_02Uh I don't know a lot of the shooters from there. I know some of the names.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Tyler J Albert. Um let's see. They had 14 over 300 here. 14 shooters over 300. Yeah, another 396 is Gordon Patkow. He he's um going into the national finale. 396. Do you think you know if I if if I'm Gordon, um, going in there being basically three and a couple change down, is that is that a problem in a national finale? Or you're still right there. Depends. Right?
SPEAKER_02I think that's where Chris was at last year. Um true. You can still be right for bullet, maybe not the golden bullet. Yeah. Right? There's five of them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you're still yeah, you're still uh I should know this, but I think we ordered 10. Um I think we went out. You that was feedback that you gave me last year.
SPEAKER_02Was it last year I didn't get one? Because I sucked at my regional. So this year I was like, hey, let's do 10. Maybe I'll still get one.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Greg's doing the next year, and if you finish 11th this year, we'll order 15 for next year.
SPEAKER_02I guess I hope not. I hope not. Um I will say that that not earning one last year definitely uh it didn't sit well with my ego, right? Sure. And it made me want to like push a little more, a little more focused coming into this one. I was pretty burned out last year from worlds. I mean, I didn't even want to shoot nationals, but once you get there and you're on the guys, it's fun. But uh I'm not burned out this year. I've been managing managing life a lot better, which I'll tell anybody like you get all in, don't forget about your relationships, right? Um, shooting can't be every weekend. If you wanna, you know, you know, family's also important, hobbies, spending time with your parents, things like that. You know, you gotta balance everything. So you forget that sometimes going to like a world championship, you'd really dedicate all your time to to to be your best, and uh you gotta balance it.
SPEAKER_03I yeah, 2019, uh I absolutely obsessed over our first pro series match. And um at the expense of you know the relationship with with Missy and the kids and all of that, like it it I absolutely put us in a really shitty spot. She at once we got through the match, she let me know, and it's like, yep, check. You know, I I know I now know better. Yeah. Um yeah, so we are four for our finale. We have four thousand hours of the trophies coming all the way through tenth place. Um top three for semi auto, top three for air gun, top top junior, top lady, top middle LE, top senior. Uh first three for production, yeah, and then one through ten.
SPEAKER_02I think maybe next we gotta look at two seniors.
SPEAKER_03Two seniors?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we do have uh so competitive. I'm telling you, like we've got a really good senior culture here. I saw it out, I think it was a lot of places. I mean, and they're so competitive.
SPEAKER_03Uh it's that way in Centerfire, man. You know, so we we it's awesome, but yeah. It is, it is on the Centerfire Pro Series. We do a roll down for um uh for invites to the finale, and and in the top like 150 open, we'll have 10 seniors. So if we're inviting the next 10 seniors, now we got 20 seniors coming, you know.
SPEAKER_02And not that the saying like that the other categories aren't as competitive, but the numbers aren't there. So you have you know, as categories go, if there's a hundred seniors, there's like 30 of everyone else. You know, they're they're twice as many to three times as many of them competing in that category than people are competing in other categories. Yeah, there's more seniors in production, there's more seniors in air gun, there's more seniors in some lotta. You know, it's it's it's it's probably like next to open, I'd say it's the most meaningful or like well-attended. I mean not meaningful, but like well-attended like category or division.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Um, yeah, and looking at the all regions uh standings here. Um man, we have uh you have 17 with 300 or more. You know, Gordon, Gordon Petkow, who uh we were just looking at that won the he's a senior, right? Um he's a senior on the foothills.
SPEAKER_02Yep, yep. Yep. I mean you look Jack Bracewolf is shooting really good. He's a senior Dave O. If he starts shooting far more senior, uh Eric, Eric will be a senior next year. Yeah. Tim. I mean, you got some amazing senior shooters, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I Dave O. Um I'm surprised he can get away with as much as he does because it seems like he shoots everything everywhere, doesn't he?
SPEAKER_02I mean uh I think most of the center party this year he's really been focusing on it, so yeah. I wouldn't get to see him as much.
SPEAKER_03Yep, really good. I mean, really good Rempire shooter, though.
SPEAKER_01Yep, right. Great coach, too. He's always helping people out.
SPEAKER_03Okay, yeah, maybe I need to shoot with him more.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. He probably trained or taught most of the good shooters in the northeast in Sarah Fire, right? He's the OG.
SPEAKER_03Can he can he take credit for uh Steiner?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, probably.
SPEAKER_03Probably love it.
SPEAKER_02Okay, probably Dave Preston, maybe Baker. Okay, and they all they all started shooting with Dave.
SPEAKER_01So that's cool. That's cool.
SPEAKER_03All right, let's uh let's talk preview uh for what's coming up. So Atlantic Coast, New England, and Rocky Mountain South. Uh I'm gonna go Atlantic Coast.
SPEAKER_02Well, Rocky Mountain South uh is up in the air. Um, they have a forest fire coming through. I got an email yesterday for the match director or regional director. I'm gonna get back to them. But um, I'm not sure what's gonna happen there. We've got to think about what's gonna happen in Rocky Mountain South. I guess I mean they're everything's evacuated from what I'm I'm gathering. So to be determined. I mean, I think we maybe the folks in that region will just get their invites based on their current score to nationals, so we can make sure they have the opportunity. Um, you know, we'll triage your way through this to see how it's gonna go. But obviously it's gonna hurt their chances at a golden bullet or a bullet, but not having a regional, but still get to attend the national finale. They're welcome to shoot any other regional they want.
SPEAKER_01Um, we'll get something out to them here. Like I'm doing that.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah, I um I uh that's it. I mean, in in any other part of the PRS, like we have like this, you don't have the scenario, but like how I guess in your mind, how like if we had to cancel the regional finale, how would you how would we do standings? Would you just assume the winner then like Rocky Mountain South here, you just take your 300s and move them up to 400?
SPEAKER_02I mean you can't can't do that because yeah, um you how do you pick the 300 winner, right?
SPEAKER_03Uh yeah yeah.
SPEAKER_02You I hate to put you on the spot here because yeah, I think you would uh see if they shot a match against each other, right? What matches did those 300 shoot against each other? And then maybe the next thing you do is look at total time and all mounted the count. What was their what was their time stage added up over the three matches? You know, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Also you can kind of put together a virtual match of who would win, right? Right, right.
SPEAKER_02Right. Yeah, it's it's not ideal, but that's mother nature, you know. So it does what it is, yeah. I mean, we had the hurricane in South Carolina, North Carolina two years ago, um, that took out Asheville and all the surrounding area that went through Clinton House, and you know, we had to run like a split regional there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we ran it twice because there was those that made the match, and then there was those that you know, for whatever reason couldn't be there.
SPEAKER_02Rightly didn't risk driving in a hurricane, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so yeah, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, we'll have to uh we'll have to kind of put that by year, um or move it or something, right? But um still needs to be.
SPEAKER_02What I gathered, all the hotels are taken up by the first responders right now. So sure.
SPEAKER_04Sure, yeah, crazy. Uh hopefully we got New England, New England and Atlantic Coast.
SPEAKER_02So those are gonna be two good ones to watch. Those are on the 22nd, also.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so take a look at well. So I guess one, two, three, four, uh, Camden, Rich Saunders, Jeffrey Down, and uh David Seville. All at 300s there. Uh Paul Down, 298. I mean, he's within striking distance. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yep. So pretty stacked there. Uh, New England was was the next one you wanted to mention, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that'll be a good one. Only one 300. Surprised for now. I mean, maybe there's some good qualifier in before that, but uh yeah, I don't if I had to put money on that, I'd bet on math.
SPEAKER_03Okay. For New England.
SPEAKER_04He's very consistent. Oh, Matt.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yep. Um, let's let's take a look here.
SPEAKER_04Uh Matt has shot a lot of matches.
SPEAKER_01One of the two, they're both really good. Yeah. Oh yeah. Hem and Dory shoot a lot.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Just yeah, it's a qualifier score. That's that's automatic. He's he's got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven wins. Right? And his qualifier is in fourth place. Yeah. Tough. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's tough. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Okay. And then the the other one's Atlantic Coast.
SPEAKER_02Uh, uh pretty good one. We got a bunch of good shooters there. Yeah. And the top, down to 296. I know John Lanslaw, he's a good shooter. He's at a 296. Jordan's 296. Um, Jack Boyer's was it junior? I don't know if he's still a junior, but he won this the summit point memorial match two years ago. Again, okay.
SPEAKER_01A lot of good shooters. I mean, everyone was there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yep, you got yeah, yeah, Kennedy, Levins. That's a good that's a fun one to watch. I'll be looking forward to it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I had the opportunity to shoot with uh Clay Kennedy in Missouri.
SPEAKER_02Um, good.
SPEAKER_03It was kind of fun. Uh no, that was that was at the 2020, uh, would be the 2024 finale. Um, and actually it was fun because like I I didn't know anybody um in the squad. It was a squad of Atlantic Coast Southeast shooters, etc. And um they didn't know who I was either. I was just a shooter. And then by like I don't know, we were like six or seven stages in, they're like, wait a minute, who are you? You know, like, yeah, I this is my job. I run the PRS, you know, and it's like, holy cow. But I remember shooting with Clay and he just, you know, like uh from from stage one, like he he was probably the most serious rampire competitor that I remember.
SPEAKER_02He's very focused. He is focused.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02And uh bad. He's got three really consistent matches for the USA stuff. And he shot good at he shot really well at uh gunlock, which is one of the harder matches to shoot. He's still in the 90 percentile. A lot of guys were not, they were in the mid-80s. But the summit point match, everyone got a good score. So it really didn't, you know, it didn't help his score, and he had just a sm just a target order issue. Uh they get a stuck in that messed them up, and it really messed them up. I really hope he goes to Minnesota. He's not signed up yet for it. I keep bugging him, but uh, I think he'd make our team better. So yeah, play if you're listening.
SPEAKER_03I can I can nudge him a little bit too. We've we've kind of half kept in touch since since 24.
SPEAKER_02We'll we'll we'll find you a factory rifle if you have to shoot one.
SPEAKER_03So there you go. I I I got a couple at home. Um and uh the well the and no, never mind. Never mind. I'm thinking like IPRM factory where it uh cost doesn't matter, but but yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the the NPAs are the I mean that's the USA product to to go with or or the onshits. It depends. They're both be good. That's what the Czechs are shooting. Is it okay? Yeah, I think the uh from what I've gathered, the the onshits team picks the Czech product factory team.
SPEAKER_01So got it. That's the scuttle.
SPEAKER_03That's easy to scuttle butt. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, I challenge those guys to put their best shooters in open and see what happens. Instead of stacking factory, you know, which is kind of what they what what they've done the last couple years. So put put put put your best in open, see if you guys can beat us. Yeah. I like it. I mean, Brit Britain does. I mean, the Brits have amazing open and factory team. So they ended up taking factory last year.
SPEAKER_03They did. Yeah. Oh yeah. Who um who was on the factory team for Great Britain? You remember?
SPEAKER_01No, I'm gonna m I'm gonna mess names up. Um Alan Rowe and uh it's messing me up, it's an MPA guy too. Um picture him. Um got too many names in my head. I'll think of it as soon as the call's over.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01Alright.
SPEAKER_03Um do we see where do we see past results? Well, was it on impact or was it a different?
SPEAKER_01It was on impact. Let me uh I can probably pull it up. Impact scoring matches. Okay, just go to my account. You'll see it.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, I could do that. And on impact, I can just go a few profiles. How many gregs with two G's are there? Nine. Yeah, right. How dare that? Um, matches shot. I P R F. 2025 World Championship. We can do V results.
SPEAKER_02I want to say it before you find it. Yeah, Martin. Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_03That's how you can picture his face. That guy is larger than fire, dude.
SPEAKER_02He was on fire. I was like, but good dude.
SPEAKER_01I'm rooting for Ron. I'm rooting for Ron Fernan.
SPEAKER_02So I Ron shoots? He did last year, and man, he was on. I think like most of us, we just had one stage. They kind of pushed us back a little bit.
SPEAKER_01And uh we all we all have one, so not that hard.
SPEAKER_03Man, where where are the um championships next year?
SPEAKER_02They're in Lithuania, so it's a little bit different getting there. Um, there is no direct flights. So I'm I'm doing the old chat GPT research on what country can you bring a rifle to fly into and then not have to do paperwork, then fly back out of, you know, and then give the team direction on don't fly through France or don't fly through Germany, fly through Copenhagen or you know, Amsterdam.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that that's probably the two that you want to. Those are central central Europe um hubs. Yeah, I when the first time that I flew to Norway, um I learned a lot of those lessons of you know what what cities do you want to fly through and what which ones do you not want to. And and like what was your hub?
SPEAKER_02What did you fly into?
SPEAKER_03I threw I flew through Iceland. Um Iceland super easy. Um in fact, I did um I did my EU like uh check-in or whatever in Iceland. So you know they asked what I or you know, the passport control. I went through passport control in Iceland. And you know, like, hey, what are you doing here? Um like well, I'm going to Norway, I'm shooting this match, I have a rifle with me. And the lady looked at my paperwork for maybe 20 seconds, and then even was like really like really nice. She's like, Hey, good luck at your match this weekend, you know. I'm like, you would never get that in the United States. They would, you know, they would never uh you know be conversational, I guess. But um, I traveled to Norway with my buddy Matt Partain, who was flying from uh Louisiana. I think he flew out of Shreveport, but he flew, he ended up flying through Frankfurt, Germany, um which is better than Munich, Germany, I guess. Like Munich is is like Chicago, I would say, you know, whereas like Frankfurt is more like Dallas, you know what I mean? Where you know people are just gonna be a little bit more friendly about things. So um we should reach out to Sarunas, who is the um is gonna be the master director of that in Lithuania, uh, and see what he suggests for friendly cities to fly through. But right. Um obviously if you can fly through Iceland, which there's a lot of direct flights from all over the US to Iceland, if you can fly that way, that is the easiest. Because then you're it's a halfway stopping point too. It's like right on the yeah, the North American, European, continental line. So yeah.
SPEAKER_04Cool.
SPEAKER_03Um yeah, so we like you said, we have a week off here, uh no matches, and then man, it seems like uh all or nothing that next weekend, right?
SPEAKER_02Like we got next three, yeah, it's gonna be fine.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Uh well that's on, I'm sorry, that's yeah, three on Saturday. And then we actually have one on Sunday, too. We have the Southwest. Uh let's take a look at that. Southwest. Chase Warren, David Christensen, and Chris Garcia. The speaker of another guy that just kind of shoots everything. Chris Garcia shoots, he punishes himself by shooting gas gun in Center Fire Pro Series. Gas gun is hard. Right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh he's into a lot of stuff. Yeah, I think he told me he started shooting during COVID.
SPEAKER_02He had never really shot competitively like this before, and then during COVID, he got into it. And then off. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. Um, who do you think out of here? I mean, it could be anything David Christensen's really good. I don't know, Chase.
SPEAKER_02I gotta root for Chris, but uh either of them. Yeah, they're both good. Chris is, I mean, you know he's gonna be sharp. Um, he's very consistent, you know. He's gonna be in that high 90 percentile every time.
SPEAKER_03So also a team MPA shooter with it too, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's shooting a lot, so I you know he's gonna come in ready and sharp. He's not gonna come in fatigued or not practiced at least.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_01Awesome.
SPEAKER_03Awesome. Cool. Well, let's stay tuned. Um August 22nd, August 23rd, about a week out. Um we'll uh we'll probably do a podcast around that time as well and and go over uh what the national standings are looking like. Um hopefully by then we have somebody with uh with a 400, right?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I hope there's not a 400 until after I review shoots. Sure.
SPEAKER_04You're the only one with 400.
SPEAKER_02But that's not gonna happen. There's so many. There's 11 regions that are shooting, 10, depending on what happens with uh Rocky Mountain South and how we kind of triage that. But um, I mean we're gonna happen. We've only had, I think, one 600 ever. I think I think Ward's the only one that came in and then with a perfect score in one. I don't think we've ever had yeah. So it's not that we've ever had, yeah, no, he's the only one that's ever had a 400 at one.
SPEAKER_03Sure, you know one one and I think I think that year, um, yeah, actually, let's let's let's just look this up. Uh Shane Ward, we can go back and look at his previous year standings. Um that was 2020, uh you did that in I uh not Idaho. 25 24. 24. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's in Pierre's Rimfire series. I think that was a fun match. I really enjoyed that match. It was like shooting behind the house. Yeah, in the woods and all that. Yeah, um this is crazy. So he he had what three three he had four regular season matches. Uh three of the four he won. He took second and the other one. The regional finale he took second, but he tied, so he got a hundred points. And then he won the national finale. I mean it's almost a perfect. Yeah, had he not uh shot that February match. His first match of the year he took second. All the other ones he won or tied for.
SPEAKER_02Hey, who beat him that one? That's one thing. Who's got the bracket on?
SPEAKER_03Kilopolium.
SPEAKER_02There you go.
SPEAKER_03There you go.
SPEAKER_02With a production rifle, probably.
SPEAKER_03With a production rifle. Yeah, he skull drug him. He won by six points. Um let's go back here and take a look. And then the original finale of White Oak Creek, uh, Lorenzo Lozano, he tied with. Yeah. Almost perfect season.
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SPEAKER_03Cool, man. Um, well, have a good weekend. Let's uh let's check in here soon. Uh, hopefully you get out, get get uh weed whacking behind your yard or behind your house there. Get everything ready to go so you can uh you can have a success successful uh regional championship.
SPEAKER_02Right, yeah, prepare to practice.
SPEAKER_03Prepare to practice, exactly. You should do that today.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna awesome. I don't want Borso to skull drag me. Like Carl's gonna do the whatever the guy's name is.
SPEAKER_03Yep, maybe we bring Borso on here to to talk after he does that, right?
SPEAKER_02I think we should. I think we should. I don't know if uh do they allow Canadians to have free speech on on the internet? Oh I don't know. Yeah. He might be like, uh don't let them know I have guns. I like a low profile.
SPEAKER_04Yep. Yeah. That's funny. Right on, man.
SPEAKER_02All right.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. Greg, appreciate having you on, man.