The Grounded Investor with Naren Roy

She Had the ‘Perfect’ Career - Then Walked Away at 41

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Dr. Param Baladandapani spent years building the kind of career most people are told to want - a successful radiology practice, financial stability, a "perfect" resume on paper. And yet, while working full-time and raising two young children, she quietly built a multimillion-dollar real estate portfolio on the side. At 41, she used it to walk away from medicine and take back control of her time.

In this episode, Naren sits down with Param to unpack how that transition actually happened - not the highlight-reel version, but the real one. They talk about what it's like to feel financially "successful" and still not free, why so many high-earning professionals stay stuck in the same trap, and what it actually takes to build a real estate portfolio while working a demanding full-time job and raising a family.

Param has since helped physicians acquire over $200 million in real estate through Generational Wealth MD and GW Capital - and in this conversation, she shares the framework she used to get there herself, long before it became her full-time mission.


In This Episode

  • What "financial independence" actually looked like for Param at 41 - and why it wasn't about being rich
  • The moment she realized a stable, successful career wasn't the same thing as freedom
  • How she built a real estate portfolio while working full-time and raising two young kids
  • The mindset shift required to go from passive saver to active investor
  • Why so many high-income professionals - physicians especially - stay financially stuck despite high earnings
  • What she'd tell someone who feels "successful" on paper but trapped in practice
  • The first steps for a busy professional who wants to start building real assets without quitting their job


About the Guest

Param Baladandapani, MD is a Southern California-based radiologist who achieved financial independence at 41 while working full-time and raising two young children. She built a multimillion-dollar real estate portfolio and founded Generational Wealth MD, a community helping high-income professionals — especially physicians - fast-track financial freedom through strategic real estate investing. Through GW Capital, she has helped physicians acquire over $200 million in real estate across long- and short-term rentals, multifamily, and development projects.

  • Website: generationalwealthmd.com
  • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/param-baladandapani-md-abb693232


About the Host

Naren Roy spent 20 years building consumer tech platforms before founding Boston Rise Capital, where he now applies that same data-driven, builder's mindset to multifamily and short-term rental real estate investing for physicians and other high-earning professionals.


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SPEAKER_00

All right, let's get started. So, the grounded investor with Naran Roy, Build Wealth, Build Yourself. This is the first episode. She had the perfect career and then walked away at 41. So today my guest is Dr. Parham. So we are just gonna open with a little small rapid fire round and then we'll get in the in the actual interview. So first thing that comes to your mind, right? Real estate or mindset? Which one actually made you rich and which one just made you insufferable at parties?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. I think this is such a tough question. Because I want to say both. Is that even an option?

SPEAKER_00

Sure, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01

Because it's both. It's both. Real estate was the vehicle, but the shift always has to be it has to start with mindset.

SPEAKER_00

Great answer. So follow up to that. If your 2019 self mid-existential crisis could see you now, what would she say?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I would say the opportunities and the obstacles. So just embrace it. You know, that's what I would say.

SPEAKER_00

That's awesome. Thank you. So welcome, welcome to the grounded investor, build wealth, build yourself. It's the whole show in just five words. And our guest today is a perfect example of both behalves. She was a full-time radiologist, raising two young kids, doing everything the financial advisor would say or the books tell you to do, maxing the 401k, saving diligently, investing in the market, and still felt completely stuck. So at 41, she walked away, built a multi-million dollar real estate portfolio, and now she runs Generational Wealth MD and GW Capital, helping physicians and other high-income professionals acquire over $400 million worth of real estate. So please welcome Dr. Param. Param. Thank you for taking some of your precious time and talking to us.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. This is such a pleasure, Narain. I just want to start off. I'm sure people who are listening to this know you and Deb, but you guys are both amazing. I am so excited for this new venture of yours. You when you talk about mindset, and you know, you I see not a lot of people, right? A small subset of people who have the right mindset, growth-minded. Um I've always seen that in you and Deb. And I think many times on our platforms, you've come and spoken um from the spouse perspective, right? Because I see a lot of spouses struggle when they work together to build something, and you guys do an amazing job. So super excited. I had to, I had to kind of pause and you know give you guys your credit before we get started. But I'm uh excited to be on the podcast with you, Maureen.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you. Thank you so much. So that's let's actually go back. So you were doing everything really right on paper, right? And being a first-gen immigrant, I I can relate to that a lot. So maxing the 401k, saving like a squirrel, the whole deal. So walk me through 2019. What was the moment the books started lying to you? And you said you had to make a change.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. So till I think 2010 is when I completed my training, started working in a high-income sub-specialty, right? Uh, got the doctor house, million dollar house on the golf course, doctor car, everything. Thought we were living our life, uh, the, you know, the life, right? The thing we were working towards for the last 20 years. And, you know, my daughter was, when my daughter was less than a year old, we both work for the same private practice firm. We're both radiologists. And there was a merger. Uh, the they didn't give us partnership track. It didn't make sense for us anymore. And all of a sudden, in like less than 60 days, we found ourselves in a very, very different situation. And there was a lot of anxiety around how things would work out. And that's when I started taking a look at our numbers, right? I said, okay, we've been doing everything right. We're savers, we're frugal. We we should be pretty secure. And I looked at our savings and I realized that, you know, it would probably get us through the next three, four years at most, which meant I needed to find another job and work. And I ran the numbers, right? That's when I actually looked at the financial free at my at the retirement calculators. It would take me another 17 years doing what I was doing then to get to financial freedom. And at that point, it almost felt like that was not an option because the amount of anxiety that we went through during that transition, it was a lot. Uh, and so that's when I decided it was time to make a pivot. There had to be a better way of doing things. And uh that's when I looked at my real estate portfolio, which I had started building about six years ago, and realized that uh the returns were about six times higher than what I was getting in the stock market once I factored in, you know, appreciation over time, debt pay down, all of those good things. And like you said, mindset, right? I said, okay, at three years, we're gonna get there. I think the book I read, which shifted my mindset at that point, was Rich Dad Porad, right? Complete transition, looked at things very differently, wanted to move from the employee quadrant to the you know investor, you know, side of things. And uh I said three years. And the the interesting thing that happens when you set goals and you push yourself is that you get there sooner than you think. And within a year, I got to the point where we had hit financial freedom through a combination of tax savings, massive value add, and and then I couldn't stop talking about things, and that's how generational wealth indeed started.

SPEAKER_00

That's awesome, right? Like I can't tell you how many people I meet that had that book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, made an impact on such a great book. So for listeners, I think everyone who's listening to this, if you haven't read it, please do. That changed my life to end Dr. Barnes. So a lot of a lot of high-income professionals feel stuck even while doing everything right, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What did that actually feel like for you on day to day? Not the strategy, the just the feeling. Tell me more about that.

SPEAKER_01

You know, interesting. I think there are two phases, right? There's the the crew I call it cruise control phase, right? Where you're you think well, you you're in a position where you can still keep working and doing what you're doing, right? So for most of us, that's like going to work, uh, the whole, you know, you probably have a couple of hours later in the day when you're able to spend time with your kids, right? Uh if especially the growing kids, and uh you have the weekends, uh, you probably have four to six weeks vacation. And it feels like it's a it's a decent way to live and you can keep doing that. But there's there's a little bit, I would say there's a little bit of burnout typically uh, you know, in that phase, and especially when you start getting closer to 40 and 50, I think that's when most people realize that they don't want to keep doing this for another 20 years. But that's still cruise control phase, right? It's doable, right? If you had to keep doing that till 65, you could. And then there's this other phase, which is where you could you have the complete breakdown, right? The meltdown, which I think happens to I I would say I think it happens to most of us at some point, right? So for some sooner rather than later. But for me, that was when 2019 for us was that the pandemic was another time when we again had another breakdown. That was when kids were home, no school, no nannies. I was doing a compressed schedule, working four days, and honestly, it felt like okay, I have three days to spend time with the kids and I was burnt out, right? And so there's the there's always the cruise control phase, which it's you're on the hamster wheel, right? But it feels like you know, I could still push myself to do this for another another 20 years. And that can still be overwhelming. I talk to a lot of people where they say, I don't know, I want to keep doing this for 20 years. But then there's also the breakdown, right? Where something shifts drastically and you know that you cannot do this uh any longer. Something has to give the the way you generate income, you know, you can't keep trading your time for money and you just want more time. Oftentimes that could be the loss of a loved one. This year has been a very, you know, year of a lot of transitions for us. I I lost my dad a couple of months ago. The beginning of this year, I remember 2026 had just started, and we had one of one of my dear friends was uh in a motor vehicle accident, life-changing experience for her. I had another uh really, really dear friend who was diagnosed with metastatic cancer, my age. Uh, we went to med school together. Crazy things happen to people. And I think that I think the mission behind Generational Wealth MD is twofold, right? Yes, transferring this knowledge to our kids so they can build a better life and they don't have to go through what we went through, but also preparing yourself for that breakdown, which I think is inevitable in most of our lives. And I want all of us to be at the position where you know you're practicing medicine or you're doing your job because you you can, because you get to do it, not because you have to do it. And if there was ever a situation where you had to pause, then you I want us to have alternative sources of income where you know, trading your time for money, even if you didn't have the time to put into your career, things are on autopilot and you're still generating that income, right? So I think that's super powerful. And uh the older I get, the and especially with this year, we've spent the last six months. I spent the last six months in India taking care of my dad and now taking care of his legacy and helping with the transition. And I don't think I built this for I built our financial freedom for this. I think in many ways, maybe I did, right? I I just wanted to build it for when things were not going to look the same. And this has been one of those years where where I feel like uh if we hadn't built that system for ourselves, our lives would look very different to what I am able to do, I would not have been able to absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

It's such a just a beautiful sentiment that you passed on to people that are listening to you. So um, Param, what's the one belief you think you had to kill before anything else could actually change?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think the biggest one for most of us is the belief that you have to work harder to make it, right? I think that the the thing is that you have to work smarter. And it's a it's a big mindset shift, right? And I think that's why books like Richard IPore, the podcast you have, right? This is this is all part of that mindset shift, right? And so you I actually ran the numbers, you know. If you saved as as professionals, if we saved, if we doubled our savings, right? Um and that's really, really hard to do. Can you imagine what you have to do to double your savings? That's really it's it's a crazy concept. But even if you did, right, I would be compressing the number of years to financial freedom from I ran this number, I could generate number, from 25 to 20. But if you start working smarter, right, and you're increasing your overall ROI and your portfolio, which is what we try to do through real estate, you can compress that from 25 years down to five years, right? And so the concept is it, I think it's a it's a core concept, right? In what I teach it, and it's that you really can't get to your roles. Many times we're working harder. I think it's very similar also to the book Um 10X is easier than 2X. Because if you're trying to 2X what you're doing, that's so painfully hard. But when you uh to 10X something, you really need to shift strategies. And in it's counterintuitive, but it actually is a much simpler way of doing things. So I think that if if you ask me for one strategic shift, I think that that's like a core concept that I believe in.

SPEAKER_00

Another great book recommendation.

SPEAKER_01

Love that book.

SPEAKER_00

So uh Param, take take us to your first real estate deal, right? And be honest. What was the oh no, what have I done? Kind of a moment in that deal.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, where do I start? So there's so many different ways to interpret this, right? So it's all it all always boils down to interpretation. I will say that for me, 2010, 2011, I started exploring investing in real estate. And I think it took me four years to get to my first deal. And a lot of that had to do with barriers around uh investing that were thrust upon me by the people around me, right? So oftentimes I think this is this is gonna be useful for you investors. You know, the first property is a leap of faith, and you need to overcome a lot of limiting beliefs, and some of them may be external to you, right? And so eventually it got to the point where I was like, listen, I just need to do this, and so I'm just gonna do this uh all by myself. And I did it. And the first property I remember I paid $10,000 over asking. And that's because I had a I had a great and you know, this is something we do within our community also, right? Having great agents, investor agents is critical. And my investor agent who I've not met to date, right? I've never set eyes on any of my properties that are in Houston, which is where I started. I haven't met my property managers or my agents. He was like, I know it's 150k. I want you to put down 160k. And I was like, fine, I'm done, right? Because like anything that makes it easier for me to get this done, right? Like less thinking is better. So I just did it. And I remember I think two years into that property, and then they, you know, they they were also great at you know, renting the property. And so everything was very hands-off. But I went through an eviction, and I think that was the time where uh sometimes we start zooming in and get super focused on the road bumps, and it feels like, oh my God, you know, what's happening? Can I handle this? And I think it was one of those times, and uh there was probably a three-week period before when we were able to evict the tenant and get someone else in there. And I I don't think I knew what I was doing, but fortunately I had a great agent and who took care of everything. And uh, since then I've realized that oftentimes zooming out and taking a look at the bigger picture makes the most sense, right? You are gonna face barriers. There will be things that you didn't plan for. And I think keeping an eye on the bigger picture, taking a look at overall returns instead of saying, oh my God, this was like a $2,000 expense. I don't know what I'm doing. And you've done short-term rentals, you and um Dev have done them. And I think within the short-term rental space, you can face, you know, bigger road bumps, I would say, right? And keeping perspective, but they're just little bumps in the road and the bigger picture, you know, zooming out is is very hard to do. Um, and you know this, Norain, you and Deb have scaled since then. Um you own um multiple multifamily apartments, and uh it has been, you know, the economy the last few years has been rough. And keeping perspective is really important, which is where I think surrounding yourself with the right community, having mentorship is always going to be key. But you know, I've faced uh I it also has to do with personality. Some people remember, sometimes I think I forget the obstacles, right? Makes it easy for me to go and keep doing this. Uh, I think that the eviction was probably one of the biggest obstacles where I felt like, okay, I you know I got myself into something that I wasn't familiar with. Uh, but uh again, zooming out and having the right team made all the difference.

SPEAKER_00

Such a great answer. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna skip my other question because I think you already answered that already on the end.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know if I can just um chime in and just say one more thing. I think uh with GW capital in this indication space, and this is what I was referring to with the last few years being challenging, uh, we've also faced some struggles in you know, uh in the portfolio. And I think um over there it's been a learning experience. And so you're either doing things right or you're learning, right? And so as long as you are able to, you know, stay in the game, navigate challenges, learn from them, and do things differently. Because if you keep doing the same thing, then then that's just stupidity. Uh, and sometimes it's hard to even say, I'm gonna stay in the game, I'm gonna keep doing this. You know, there are times when it can feel very overwhelming, but just sticking with it um and learning from all our mistakes and and you know, pivoting is always gonna be important.

SPEAKER_00

That's awesome. So on and just following up on that, right? Like you build a portfolio that spans long-term rentals, STRs, multifamily development. So I think what would you do differently uh now, 2026, right? Like if you started today.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, yes, I can go so many different ways. Like you said, I've done long-term rentals, short-term rentals, and then uh we've also syndicated, right? Um, so we've we've created GW capital, which is the passive um vertical where our community gets to invest with us passively. And I would say it's an interesting question. Uh, I think maybe I want to focus on GW capital, right? Because there have been a lot of lessons in the last year that we've taken from there. Uh, I, you know, when you're investing in the single-family space, that is a much safer way of investing. And again, you could do short-term rentals, you could do long-term rentals, the risk profile is different over there. But with typical long-term rentals, the risk is really, really low, especially when we have long-term safe debt on it. Now, syndications are a different ball game, commercial real estate is a little different. Uh, what I've learned over there is that um, and I think this also applies to the single family space, right? And I've seen many of our physicians in our community also struggle with this. Newer vintage assets, right? I I've over time what I've learned to do is downside protection is becoming more and more critical. And so we're reducing risk overall in our portfolio. And so buying newer assets, you know, um, we have some 1970s assets, and the that you can have unexpected uh challenges in those assets. So newer assets um is something that we pivoted to, right? All of our more recent acquisitions are 1990 and newer. So that's something um that's an intentional change we've made. That's one thing we've done. And I think from a debt perspective, um, you know, in the commercial space, we want to be even more conservative as far as leverage goes, our position in the capital stack and and you know, and um cash flow day one. I think those are the key shifts that we've been making over time. I I think one other thing is diversification. I think this applies to everyone, right? If you're someone who owns short-term rentals, adding long-term rentals in there, that's going to be key. If you're someone um like us, we have, you know, we have been um investing in multifamily, adding manufactured housing to the uh to the equation. You know, take we're taking a look at industrial now. So diversification is key, downside protection, um both from a debt perspective and in your position of the capital stack, I think is key. And then, you know, knowing your buy box is really important for us. It that has involved uh buying newer assets as a way to lower overall risk in our portfolio. And so I think for anyone who's investing over time, you will have lessons, you will have experiences where you are getting more and more clarity in terms of what you want your buy box to be. And we've gone through the same evolution, but I wouldn't say as much on my personal portfolio because I think I've been very, very passive as far as my personal portfolio goes. But definitely on the GW side, uh we've had a lot of experiences that have shaped where we are today. And I would just definitely call that version 2.0 in terms of how we're looking at assets and how we're doing due diligence.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just to follow up on that, right? Like you you've helped now multiple physicians, right? 400 million in real estate through GWMD and GW Capital, right? What's one thing that you look in a deal today, right? That in the past you had no idea to look for, and how has that wisdom changed over the years?

SPEAKER_01

That's a great question. You know, I I I think the maybe the one thing I want to add is creative value, right? And it may have more to do with the part of the market cycle we're in right now. You know, um in the past, we would do the typical, you know, on the single family side, it's called the Burr strategy. We do something similar in commercial real estate where you go in, you put capital into a deal and you try to increase the value of the asset, right? You're bumping up rents. And so it's a you know, it's a pretty uh standard strategy to recycle the same part of money over and over again, or to really increase value, increase the value of the asset rapidly and exit the asset. Now, this is not necessarily the market cycle where we can do that, right? It's really hard to bump up rents uh in the part of the market cycle that we're that we are in. And so what we've been doing, the deals that we've been entering lately have been what we call creative value, right, right? So this is where you know you can't really control how much you can bump up market rents sometimes, right? This is one of the weird parts of the market cycle where we can't do that. But there are things we can still control where we have tax efficiencies that you have absolute control over, no matter what part of the market cycle you're in. And on the commercial real estate um real estate side, it's what I call creative value add, right? So we're not going in and doing a traditional bread and butter value add where we're renovating something and increasing the rents, but we are reducing property taxes through partnerships with, you know, how the housing authority, right? Uh we are really reducing uh operational expenses, and that's another way to boost your NOI. And so these are we're getting into more of these creative deals where we're buying deals at great at a great basis. We're doing creative value right. And I think that's something that's um that's um not something we were focused on initially when we uh started GW Capital in 2022, but it's definitely something that we're super intentional about in this part of the market cycle. And so creative value at, um, you know, working on the things that we have absolute control over, even though we're not really um getting the tailwinds of of uh you know market rent growth or occupancy in this part of the market cycle. And so um that's something that we've been very intentional about. And I think it'd be great for your listeners to kind of think about that as they look at passive investing opportunities.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. Another follow-up on that. So for for someone who is very high income, right, but time poor, what does a realistic first step into real estate actually look like?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's a great question. And um when I look at, and I and this is the when when you do the 10x events, right? This is one of the first questions I have people answer. It is which bucket do you see yourself in, right? And so there are physicians who have capital but don't have a lot of time. And so they usually do well with passive strategies. That's either investing in long-term rentals or investing in syndications where yes, you need to know a little bit, you need to know how to do your due diligence. But after that, once you've done your due diligence, you can be pretty hands-off, right? And that's there's a trade-off because uh the opposite end of the spectrum is physicians who want to be a little more active, really tap into those uh advanced tax strategies where they can shelter their W-2 income from taxes, or they do short-term rentals, say, or they syndicate. And you've done both of those things where, you know, and again, I say it's not a lot of time, but you need to spend at least 100 hours uh in a given calendar year for short-term rentals, or once you've stabilizing things two to three hours a week uh is the minimum requirement. And it's not a lot, but it's still, you know, it's still definitely more on the active side. But the for that trade-off, you're able to get significantly higher returns, right? Your ROI is exceeding 40% um and sometimes up to 100% just from tax savings, right? So there was opposite ends this ends of the spectrum, and it can be overwhelming. For someone who's starting out who may not have a lot of time on their hands and starting with those passive strategies is a great option, right? Buy a long-term rental. You can be pretty hands-off. Like I said, that's what I did. I bought them sight and scene in a different state. So knowing your criteria, just educating yourself a little bit, I would say a little bit of due diligence is still necessary, right? And you know, same thing with syndications, know how to do your own due diligence, know how to build your buy box, know how to uh vet the sponsor, know how to vet the deal a little bit, right? And listening to your podcast, connecting with people like you, Norain, where you can walk them through that, right? That becomes super valuable. But if with a little bit of uh information, once they've invested in those opportunities on the passive side, then the amount of time that you spend on your portfolio after that can be as little as an hour a month, right? And that's being very realistic, right? So a little bit of upfront work, but then you can go down to as little as, you know, sometimes I spend 15 minutes a month on my on my direct ownership portfolio, right? And that's a true fact, except for tax time, where I have to just make sure my bookkeeper is doing their job right. And so it can be very hands-off depending on how you um strategize, but being very intentional about that upfront uh is is helpful. But yes, like I said, it could be as little as an hour a month uh for significantly higher returns. And so um that and doing that also overall reduces your risk in your entire portfolio, right? You're diversifying for the amount of work you're putting in, I think uh could compared to the amount of work you have to put in in your job for the same ROI, I think it's still a great way to stay past it and to start investing in the state.

SPEAKER_00

That's awesome. Uh all right, one last question before we go in the rapid fire. What's a deal or a decision that uh went sideways for you? And what did it teach you?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so 2022 was the peak of the market cycle as far as commercial real estate goes. And a couple of our 2022 and 2023 acquisitions, they didn't really go as you know, as projective. And so for us, that that was a painful experience, right? When you are investing your own capital, it's an easier pill to swallow. It's a harder pill to swallow when you're a steward of other people's capital. And like I said, it has been a huge learning experience. It has transformed the way we look at deals, it has transformed the way we structure those deals in the get-go. You know, we now have an investment committee. We have new buyers who have you know um multiple decades of experience, right, to help us make the right decisions and uh and and pivot. So we are learning from those decisions. It was also a time where I put in multiple six figures of my own capital in order to help uh protect investor capital. We're building recovery funds. We constantly want to be aligned with our investors. And so I think those would be that that was uh, and a lot of this happened in the first six months of this year, right? So huge learning curve over there. We will not be looking at deals and structuring them the way we did in the past. We've shifted the way we do things completely. And I think uh throughout all of this, we've tried our very best uh and to any future profits we make from other deals will also go towards making our investors all. And so a huge learning experience. Um, and we hope to get much stronger and better because of this experience. Uh, but again, it takes us back to the same concept. We need to zoom out, take a look at the overall picture, and not let emotions um guide decisions because at the time slippers can be very hard to move forward and stick to it. But that's the learning curve, right? And and that's the responsibility we have as stewards of other people's capital.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so well said, right? Like that's one thing I have learned personally is this grit and resilience are probably the biggest things. And it teaches you a lot about life and makes you a better person also when you stick through tough times across everything. So really well said. So Param, let's just do a quick lightning round before we wrap it up. So, first thing that comes to your mind again best real estate advice you ignored and wish you hadn't.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yes, 2010. My colleague introduced me to his uh team in uh in Nashville and asked me to start investing. And I, you know, postponed things for four years. I feel like in many ways I missed the golden period where I could have easily scaled 10 years ago and have gotten to the point of financial freedom before the age of 35. So uh that was definitely a miss.

SPEAKER_00

We all have those stories. Um one word for your first year as an investor.

SPEAKER_01

Breaking barriers, that's two words. But uh for me, it was like it was a hard barrier to break, to actually, it was a leap of faith.

SPEAKER_00

So golden handcuffs or golden opportunity? Pick one.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, my interpretation of that is golden opportunity, right? Always look for the opportunity and the obstacle.

SPEAKER_00

That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking this time. It's been a great conversation. Uh uh before we let you go, where should our audience go to contact with you or learn more about GW Capital Generational Wealth and P.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So, like I said, anyone thinking about investing passively, GW Capital with an A catgw capital. Uh go to place, we have a free guide for for anyone who wants to do learn to do their own due diligence on deals. And then if you're looking for actual numbers about how I actually retired at 41, those the first few deals that helped me get there, generationalwealthmd.com. I have a free ebook over there. Uh and before we wrap up, I just want to say, Narin and Deb, I I just love the energy you guys bring into everything. You have you know done phenomenally well the last few years, and you're constantly pushing boundaries, excited to grow. And I wish you both the very best in everything you do.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you. And that's a wrap on this episode of the Crowned Investor. Uh, remember, build wealth, build yourself, and we'll see you next time. Thanks, Param.

SPEAKER_01

You good, Narin?

SPEAKER_00

I'm just trying to find a stop recording, but it's a rookie mistake.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I don't know if it's gonna let me do it because I don't think it would let me do it.

SPEAKER_00

It doesn't let me anyway. I'll I'll zip it apart. But thank you, Param.

SPEAKER_01

That was great. First one is done. Everything else is gonna be like a cakewalk.

SPEAKER_00

We'll see. Hopefully starting on a journey. We'll see how far how how long did you are you still doing podcasts these days, or are you just doing we do them?

SPEAKER_01

I still am gonna be doing some with our I have to get it's a great way to keep building your audience, right? Because then you give them all the recordings, the links, you tag them on social media, and so you're increasing your reach. So just make sure you like have a system for that. But uh yeah, I still do it. I should do a better job. But sometimes I feel like I I don't want to be bothered because it's so much happening. But if you have the time to do it and you can batch it, just batch it, right? Like back to back and then just wrap it up in one day. That's a great way to do it. And then you have like a whole month's content ready. I have another meeting that she's she's and I'll talk to you soon again. Good luck with everything, Norain.

SPEAKER_00

Hello, I'll talk to you soon again. Bye.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, take care, bye.