Pressure Cookers: Susquehanna, Drew & Cranberry Sauce

This week on The Juniata Men’s Basketball Show, Tom, Biz, and Coach Curley serve up a Thanksgiving-sized spread of hoops talk, holiday hot takes, and a whole lot of stuffing slander. Listener Graham B. kicks things off with a very on-brand Thanksgiving question that sends the guys down a cranberry-sauce-fueled rabbit hole, complete with culinary confessions, sandwich hacks, and Biz’s pitch for the first great Thanksgiving movie.

Then it’s on to the hardwood: a heartbreaker at Susquehanna, a first-half battle with undefeated Drew, and a deep dive from Coach on toughness, pressure, leadership, and the fine art of winning the 50/50s. Joe Bruce racks up more game balls than a Black Friday shopper, the guys look ahead to Catholic and Scranton, and Coach shares meaningful reflections on two important members of the Juniata basketball family.

A little humor, a little heart, and a lot of hoops—perfect for your Thanksgiving drive or while hiding from relatives in the pantry. Happy Thanksgiving, Juniata Nation. Let's eat… and then let’s hoop.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

I'm Tom Frank. I'm Biz. I'm the head coach Greg Curly. And this is your Junior Adam Men's Basketball Show. Welcome, listeners. I'm Tom Frank. I'm joined each and every week by Drew Basket, aka Biz, and your Junior Adda head basketball coach, Greg Curly. You talk all things, Junior Attack Men's College Basketball.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

What on, Thomas? Hey man, it was a week of heartbreak to heartburn, it seems like out there. A little bit. A little bit. We'll get into it.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

We'll get into it. We're gonna stay positive, though. Hey, positive, bro. Positive that came out of it as well. Absolutely. But before we do that, we do have a good listener question to get it, I think, to get us in the right spirit. All right. It is Thanksgiving week. There's a lot to be thankful for, fellas. We got a question from Graham B. Graham B. What's the most overrated Thanksgiving dish? And what's the one you'll go to war to defend on your plate?

SPEAKER_02 1:03

I mean look, for overrated Thanksgiving dish, any vegetable.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

Any vegetable, just flat out?

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Yeah, there's no need for a vegetable ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Oh, I disagree with you there.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

I like corn, I like green beans.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

Nah. You don't need one though that I can't stand. Yeah. And I feel bad saying this because my grandmother, I think, used to think I liked it and she would always make it for me. Oh, yeah. Cranberry sauce.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Oh, we've had this discussion.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

I like cranberry sauce. I'm a cranberry. I hate cranberry sauce.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

I'm gonna go with I don't I'm not a big fan of like real like homemade cranberry sauce, but may you give me a can. Give me that can be.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

You prefer the can over the homemade?

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Absolutely. Yeah, I do too.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Thank you, Girl. You're just injecting like pure nastiness in you into yourself. Dude, it's pure gelatin.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

It's the best.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

Your gelatin's made from like forces' hooves.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

And it literally comes out in uh the shape of the can. It's a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:07

Okay, and I can tell you the one I'll defend. Alright. I'll go to war to defend. And it is sometimes a war in our household.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

The the the the stuffing. Oh yeah. And and my mom makes it like it's like almost like a log and it you cut it. Really? And it's almost better when it's like uh refrigerated. And then you bring it out afterwards and you cut it and it's like cold.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Well, you know what you do. You take that, you cut it, and you put turkey in between it and make a turkey sandwich out of it.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

That's not a bad idea. Maybe a little bit of uh gravy.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Oh. Yeah, I'm with you, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

You're like a Thanksgiving expert, man. You spent a lot of time examining all angles of this. Hey, Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

Like nobody Thanksgiving's a lost holiday.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

In fact, it's my favorite holiday.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

I want to start of the year. Hashtag save Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

I you know what? I'm I'm gonna go anti-U on here. I want everybody else to sleep on it, and it is my favorite thing. Yeah. My favorite holiday.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Although I do have an idea. I have an idea for a movie. And Tom, I can work with you on this because you're connected with all this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

You know how they have Christmas story?

unknown 3:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

We ought to make Thanksgiving story.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

I gr I'm in with you on that. Alright, I got ideas. The only good Thanksgiving movies are like if you like Hallmark movies.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

They don't even do Thanksgiving movies, man. They're all Christmas movies. But I mean, like Hallmark tries to do it, but it's gonna be I mean, I already have it shaped. Yeah, it's like the Christmas story. You know, we we take us, right? We come home, we're 21, the night before Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

It's a great night. All hell breaks.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

Then we wake up, all hung over, we go play a turkey bowl. You know, that's a big part of the movie, and then we each go home do our own Thanksgivings.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

So it's kind of like the hangover, but instead of a wedding that you're rushing to get back to, you're rushing to get back to the family.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Exactly. Exactly dinner. It's like a Christmas story, but Thanksgiving. I think it's a hit, personally. We haven't even written it and it's a hit. It is. That's how big of a hit it's gonna be. I'm it I'm gonna start writing it.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

We could have the number one Thanksgiving. You know what I also like about Thanksgiving is there's no there's no pressure. Right. You don't have pressure for gifts. No. You don't have like all you do is you eat and you watch football. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

I'm with you, man. Thanksgiving. Yeah. Yeah. That's my gym.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

And you get a nice little break from your junior at a basketball season. Just a nice day. Just to not don't forget, it doesn't matter what your record is, doesn't matter what's going on. You just take a nice day to celebrate.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

So what is we've been through this every year, man. Thanksgiving uh is uh not at a great time for for a basketball coach. So uh there's no such thing as just a day because all you're thinking about is the next week and what you need to do. I'm fine with that. I listen, my favorite time of the year is in season. I I I love all of this stuff about it.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

So I don't argue with um yeah, I wouldn't with Thanksgiving at the Curly House. Take us through Thanksgiving Day.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

Are we having are we having uh part of the team over?

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Uh I don't think so. Everybody's close enough uh this year that they'll all be going home. So okay. Um we've had different years, but actually we usually go to Jen's parents. Um depending on what my parents do or somewhere. But we we have not hosted, I don't think. Uh we might have one time, but uh we don't usually host. So and part of that is um probably the challenge sometimes with what we have going on. But uh so we'll spend time at the farm as we call it, which will be fun. Kids are looking forward to it. And uh then uh probably try to run to state college for a little bit at some point, and uh then we practice on Friday. So that's Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_03 5:53

I think you should get to State College Wednesday night because I'll be there live. Oh that's an idea. It's not a bad idea. We can go hit uh where where we go hit? Autos or champs?

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Uh go to that distillery, boys. Drink a little burger.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

You know what? That distillery? Were you talking about the one what's it called?

SPEAKER_02 6:13

It's over by autos, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Barrel 21 or something. I was talking about the one I had just been at. I was just at for the first time. It was over on your neck of the woods. It was like where that little um uh there was a dentist right there.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Oh no, that's a that's a brewery. What did you just say? A distillery. The uh, I thought you said brewery.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

Now, isn't there that one over by autos? Yeah, there is. I've never walked in there, I've always gone to autos.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

All right. Yeah, no, that place is good. The uh I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

That place is good, and then there's the place over there that the little talian place on uh the main drag there that I I I got exposed to. I thought it was a great little place. Wow. Marzianas or something? That's good. What? Marzian's?

SPEAKER_02 6:54

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 6:55

Marzoni's. Marzani's. Marzani's a bit of a change. Yeah. So for all the listeners who are happened over here. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I I don't rarely I rarely get names wrong. But uh that was a good question from Graham Bay.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

That was a gray wait, we didn't hear uh we didn't hear the coaches like uh defend to the death thing. Oh yeah, what's your defense?

SPEAKER_03 7:15

You're you're you know, you're a big defensive guy.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah. Uh-huh. I don't know. I mean, probably mashed potatoes for me, but I I'm not sure I'm that passionate about my Thanksgiving meals.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

So I'm packing it. The stuffing, though, you're right. Because that like how often do you stuffing? Not often. You know, you'll you'll dabble in a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 7:35

You do stuffing once a year.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Every now and then I'll dabble in some stovetop, but yeah, I mean the the real homemade and the gravy, the stuffing gravy combo is like Yeah. Sign me up. I like it. That was good, great.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

We should just stop there because now I'm really hungry.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Yeah, a couple more days. Do you do did does Juniana, does the uh athletic department do they do you do like like at my office, we have on Tuesday, we have our office Thanksgiving. Do you do an athletic department Thanksgiving?

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Uh we'll do like a holiday potluck thing over Christmas and like after finals. Uh it's a little bit different here this year. This is the first time that I remember the whole week is off. So this is uh there's a Thanksgiving break, so they're off all week. Usually we have classes Monday and then end Tuesday. Um so it's a little bit different here. So most again, a lot of time as the basketball coach is spent with the women's basketball coach and just us over breaks. Uh Thanksgiving and Christmas break. Um there's not usually a lot else going on. Um maybe the swim coaches sometimes, but I think they seem to have a little bit more of an extended break in those periods. So um no, most of our colleagues, I mean, this is they come out of the fall season, and so this is this is a little bit of their off time uh to go uh kind of connect and spend time with family and friends that they don't get to do when they're in season. You know, our life is one when there's no really getting away when you're in your season, so a lot of times it's it's gotta be right before or after. So a lot of it where we sit and uh so uh we won't do that. We'll do something over over Christmas. Again, those get tough for us. A lot of times we're practicing when that's going on. So uh yeah, uh not not a strong suit um for what we do there, but uh certainly uh try to spend time as much time as we can with everyone.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

All right. Well, let's let's let's go through a weekly recap here. Now we had some positives here. We had some positives this week. Uh our Eagles dropped a heartbreaker on the road Wednesday night, 68-66, as Susquehanna hit a jumper at the horn to steal it. Joe Bruce led the Eagles with 19 points and three steals. Ty added nine points, six boards and three steals. Uh we had Hurley and uh Littles. Littles each chipped in eight. Junietta opened hot with a 10-2 start and forced 22 first half points off turnovers. But Susquehanna closed the run the half on a 12-2 run. The Eagles clawed back, tying it at 43 on a Hurley three, and from there it was one possession back and forth. Ty put uh Junietta up 64-63 late. Noah Bailey later tied it up with a two-clutch free throws. I like the free throws. Free throws. Susquehanna's Brandon Lafitte hit a contested left-wing jumper as time expired. Yeah, Brandon Laddett. Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

He plays for Susquehanna. We'll just call him he's a good player. He hit a big shot. He hit a big shot. He's a four-year guy. He's been in a ton of games. Showed up.

SPEAKER_03 10:38

He was a big shot, a contested shot.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Like it was a good it was a good three. It was a two, but yeah, it was a good uh it was a big time shot. And uh we actually really did a good job and defended and took away their primary options. That was kind of a scramble play at the end that we still challenged, and just got to give him credit, he made the shot. It really felt like that was probably a game whoever had the ball last probably wins. And uh unfortunately wasn't us, but that was on the heels. You know, uh Noah Bailey goes to the foul line down two and makes both free throws as a freshman uh to put us in that situation. Um you mentioned we got we got out to a really good start in that game. Um guys were really probably our most complete game um that this group has ever played on both ends of the floor. Um and uh so you know it uh showed up that way and gave us a chance to win on the road uh against a team that you know is picked to be in the top half of the league uh preseason. So uh yeah, it was a good performance. It really was one of those games. Uh I think both teams played pretty well, and one team won and one team lost. Um and so uh hard to swallow. Um didn't think some things went our way. Uh wasn't real happy with that, but um, you know, I I thought the guys battled. Uh and then I thought we had two really good days of preparation leading in this Saturday. So uh overall, I thought that you know, for first road game, uh first league road game as early as it is, um, as young as we are, I thought we really handled that environment. It was a good environment. Uh played really hard, got down ten and battled back. Um I mean that's kind of the tail. You know, we gotta it's hard to to continue to give up these big uh you know, we get down eight to ten regularly on the road, it seems like, or in in games, and you gotta keep it close from striking distance so when you make your runs, it's it stays that one possession game. Uh, but uh we made a ton of plays down the stretch. I thought we really defended well. Uh we, you know, moved the ball well on offense. Our assists were up. We shared the ball, we got contributions from everybody. Uh so yeah, that was a really complete game. Uh you kind of got everything out of it but the win. So it was a it was a uh a good performance on Wednesday.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

How many how many games in in your geniatic career have you lost on a buzzer shot?

SPEAKER_01 12:57

Uh at Susquehanna specifically on the road, we've probably at least lost four, if not five.

SPEAKER_03 13:01

Four at Susquehanna on the buzzer that they've got.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

We were thinking about it before. Yeah, I mean we've been through it. Um any way you can name it. Uh uh probably a tough place to get get things to go your way, if you know what I mean, get a couple calls. So that sometimes sets the table for that stuff. Uh good to know some things don't change. Uh so I don't, you know, I think you got a lot to overcome there. And uh, you know, we've had some good scenes. Now we won uh you remember playoffs two years ago, we won by one uh at the end of the game, where you stop. So we've had our share of wins in those situations too. But uh yeah, over the years, probably that's the one place probably we've had the most buzzer beaters against us. Um but that's uh you know that's probably probably the team we've played the most. They've been our league the entire time, so we've we've played over fifty times. Over fifty times because we've played probably the most in the playoffs as well, so we've played a lot. So it probably has more to do with that than anything else.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

So that's the team you would say has gotten you a couple times on buzzers. Is there a team that you can say we got we've gotten them more more than a f a few times on the buzzer?

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Uh well, we've beaten them in some close games too. I don't know how many buzzers. I mean, even other teams, other teams that you you would say that that's a team that we've got. Over time, though, I mean I don't know. We have our share of buzzer beaters. Um I've told you I we we generally when we're winning a six to eight point game and it's it's a little bit different. Um I I don't think it's always benefited us in those last second games. I think um uh whatever reason that is, but but then I look back and I'm not sure that I mean we just won ECAC championship because we hit one at the buzzer. We um went to conference finals two years ago because we beat them at the buzzer. Uh I I think there's probably more than I remember. Um uh I we I told you my first year we hit a three-quarter court shot to send it to overtime, literally from the one foul line.

SPEAKER_03 14:59

Um we've had Do you remember who shot that ball?

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Uh yeah, actually Ben Gallagher, who then transferred to Albright the next year. Uh so I can't be. Well, so Rick Ferry was the coach at Albright, and we played them in our league, and he was with me for a year. He hit the three-quarter court shot, then we beat him in overtime, and then he transferred to to play because Rick's who recruited him. Uh so then we played against him for two years. Um but um Aaron Chamberlain hit a buzzer beater against Albright here, I think maybe two years after that with Nick Hager. That was a huge one. That was a really big game. Kind of that set that season up. That was our first appearance in the conference finals and our first postseason appearance, and that that was the team with uh Nick and Brian Cannon, Neil Holloway, and those guys, and Chris Jazz. Um but I I don't um yeah, all you know it is true in coaching, you remember the ones that get to it more than you the ones you get.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

I was gonna say you just proved that right there.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Yes, yeah. We hit another one, Kyle Kohler hit a three in the playoffs at uh Scranton uh to send it to overtime, uh, and we won that to go to the conference final. So we've probably had our share now that I think about it, and pr particularly in big moments.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Um take them in the big moments, baby. Yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

Well then on Saturday, the Eagles hung with undefeated Drew for a half, but the Rangers pulled away to break to a six 87-66 win Saturday inside Memorial Gym. Type put the uh pace the Eagles with 19 points. Joe Bruce just keeps putting in points. 16 points, three assists off the bench. Noah Bailey came up big again, delivered 10 points and four boards. Um, you know, it was a tough one. Drew, Drew's a good team. You can you can see that right away. Drew's one of the one of the uh, I believe the three teams that stand at 2-0 in the conference right now.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Drew hasn't had they've won 21 straight league games at least. I don't I think they lost the last time in the playoffs. So um yeah, I mean that you could say that they're they're pretty good. Um uh they know how to win. Uh I told you the Musal Brothers and a couple of their veteran guys, I mean, they just they have the winning DNA and they played like it. Um, you know, I thought it was back and forth first half. Um we were right there back and forth, two-point game at halftime. Uh I thought we, you know, we only they pressed the entire game. We had seven turnovers at halftime. Um they had more so, you know, we had forced them into I think nine or ten. Um the second chance points uh was pretty even. All the statistical areas, we we outpaced them at the free throw line. Uh, and then we just, you know, the second half we didn't get off to a good start. Uh we did not come out ready to go. Kind of gave them an open door, but kept it at like eight to ten until four or five minutes left. Uh and then it kind of pulled away. But they're the kind of team, I I I you know, they're the kind of team you've gotta, when you've got opportunities, you've got to take them. And if the longer the game goes, the more it benefits them because they've been around and they know how to put teams away. And you could see that difference. Uh I thought um, you know, for the first time we've handled pressure with this group. You know, you mentioned uh Joe and Noah being freshmen, um, all our other guys, first time we've seen a committed full court pressure like that this year with multiple different ways. Uh believe it or not, our our points per possession against pressure was really good. Uh, but a lot of the front court stuff um and the focus things, uh like we lost six dead ball rebounds out of bounds that they got. And so they got 15 offensive rebounds, six of them we had in our hands and dropped out of bounds or didn't secure, right? We didn't, I don't think we won a 50-50 ball. Um and uh, you know, and we just we got gave up multiple free throw rebounds, just a little detail extra stuff that we did really well Wednesday, we did not do well. Uh, and I thought we got wrapped up in some of the wrong stuff probably mentally. Uh whether that's the impact of the pressure, whether that's kind of the impact of what for us is a longer week. You know, that was a long week and you to go on the road and kind of the emotional Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's where experienced veteran teams know how to handle that. They were in an overtime game on the road on Wednesday at Scranton that they won, and they turned around and then drove all the way to Huntington, were able to handle it. And uh so I think that's part of it. And then I think we're also still at the stage, and so early in the season, we have to keep practicing to get better. So, you know, it's hard to balance probably being as fresh as you would like with being as prepared as you need to be. And I think that is another challenge of being a younger team. And I think we were prepared, but I thought we got a little worn out the second half. I don't think we were quite as sharp uh as we had been for the first you know, four games. Uh and sometimes, you know, there's a peak. I thought we played really well Wednesday, and it was is it an emotional downturn or shift or the longest point of the season uh with Thanksgiving break on the corner? I don't think we were looking towards that. Uh guys are ready to play and wanted to play. I mean, you played a pretty good first half.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

I mean, you were down two going into the locker room at the end of the first half. Do you think that pressure caught up to you a little bit? I mean, they they just kept pressuring.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Um Yeah, I mean it's like anything else. Once you show uh weakness with that or body language goes or you get frustrated, um they they can sense that and they go in for the kill. It picks it up, their energy goes up. Um but you know, we didn't help ourselves. I didn't think we played as hard as we have in in some spaces. And uh I didn't think we came out of the locker room focused. We led most of the first half. Uh so you know, there's a lot of good things here. I think you know, we had a long film session with the guys today because we're we're basically off and then we'll have two practices and we're able to look at it. I think there's many, many controllable things that we did not take care of the way we needed to. Um I think uh but that's what pressure does. Um, that's what playing a good team does on the heels of another good team. That's why leagues separate uh the top teams from uh the lesser teams because they can do it consistently. That's what I talk about all the time. Like you got to hit it down the middle on demand when you need to and keep going. And we didn't show the ability to do that, but we have showed consistent improvement. We did a lot of really good things in that game as well. Um, you know, we when we you know when we were focused and executed what we wanted, we really got the ball where we wanted, able to attack the pressure, um, you know, converted pretty consistently when we were locked in and playing as hard as we needed to defensively, gave them problems um and were able to guard them, but we didn't do any of it consistently. Uh and you know, that's a formula for uh not a good result against a team like that. And I think in the end they just stretched it out. And we hung around enough the second half, but we we just uh it's it's the typical thing, you know, you're down two at halftime, you're winning leading most of the first half, but were you really playing that well? And the answer to that is probably not. Had we played kind of with the focus and energy in spaces that we did on Wednesday, I think we probably have a lead going in the halftime. We've talked about it last year. Now they make a little run. At you, but now it's a toe-to-toe game, very similar to if you think about the Susquehanna game. And uh but we weren't able to pull that off, and you gotta give them credit. They're really talented, they can score, they got they're as good defensively. I mean, it's their pressure is really more just ball pressure and guys getting in you. I mean, they do some trapping and stuff, but that didn't really that limited how much it hurt us. But I thought we panicked a little bit, I thought it rattled us a little bit at times. Uh I was disappointed in that because I don't think it should have. Um but young team, young team.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Absolutely. And they're and they're a very they're a very uh experienced team. I mean, if you think about it, correct me if I'm wrong, but like three years ago, I don't know if Drew was in the same situation as you, but they were in a similar situation. They had a lot of young guys and they were not winning 22 straight games, conference games.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Well, and that's what I yeah, I I listen, I I'm keeping all this in perspective. Um, it's hard for 18 to 22 year olds to keep this in perspective and those around them that that haven't lived this, but uh I I mean large portion of the of the challenges, what we just went through is no different than what we go through early in a season with a young team, no matter what. The consequences are different because it's a league game, right? So if we scheduled the way we usually would have, you're gonna mix in a couple really tough situations and mix in somewhere you can get right and get some confidence and do that. We're not in that circ circumstance or situation. And so it really is even how long do you practice? Um, you know, do you practice a day after going to Susquehanna? And if with a really experienced veteran team, we probably wouldn't have. Um we would have, in particular an emotional game like that. But with the younger team that had never seen pressure, um you had to. We have to. And we've talked to the guys about it and we prepared really well and we practiced really hard. And it's another box kind of checked. We we've been through that now. They have a point of reference, they should know what we're doing. Uh they saw the goods and bads of it. So I think we got better from the experience. I mean, but time will tell that. Uh, but there's still a bottom line piece to this that you have to just wrestle with and deal with, and then that takes maturity to know, hey, if you just play well and you you keep doing the right things, as I say, the bar raises and you just play the right way and play well, you win games. It's regardless of who you're playing, where you're playing, what you're doing, that's what you have to stay focused on. But that that's a very difficult one and uh for for guys. Uh, but I I think they're I'm I'm excited for the next step. We had a really good meeting today, really good film session to go through it. Um, and then there's just that realization, you know, when you win a game or or in a game like we were Wednesday, we didn't win it, but the way you play, there's a sense like, oh man, we can do anything, right? Like we're just sure right there. And sometimes you go too far with that, right? And so you you forget the details and the small things and the things that have to go with that. The flip side is if you lose a game like we did Saturday, the world ends. You're never gonna beat anybody. This is hopeless and helpless. And the really the teams that win a lot of games, first of all, they don't have to experience those swings that often. But second of all, sometimes they just play poorly, but they realize they just didn't play well, and they just go back to work and they stay kind of down the middle, and that's that consistency, right? So um that's another uh uh uh youth part. That's just the reality of where we are, and so that's what we're really trying to do, you know, hold them accountable and they gotta be accountable to how they're performing because that's another young thing. You know, we gotta be more accountable to some things we can do. We can free throw block out, we can look up the floor and not throw it into tough areas against pressure every time. We can um, you know, pressure the ball or challenge a shot every time to the best of our ability. And we just didn't do those things, and that wasn't the case for four games. Um even when we got off to a tough start at at Westminster, it really wasn't our effort or competitiveness or blocking out or physicality. It was our execution of our offensive stuff, and we've improved that. And actually we we did pretty well with that on when on Saturday. But it was the other stuff that gets the lead out of the way, and it's the small effort-based stuff. You you can't we have no shot in the world of beating Drew if we don't win the 50-50 balls, but their best player is the one that beat us for that to every 50-50 ball. Like that can't, that definitely can't happen, right? And so um they're just tougher. They're more physical, uh, they're tougher. Uh, they're kind of for our level and for our league, kind of elite level competitors, and that's how they're wired. Um, and we are not there yet in those spaces, and we need to get there. And uh sometimes playing it and seeing it and feeling it is the best way to understand this has to happen all the time. But then we have to translate that into consistent practice habits so that that's what we revert to under those situations and that's who we become. We are taking definitive steps with that because it is it's different than where we've been in terms of watching film. It's like, geez, just think if we do these things where we could have been, right? Yeah. Um, and I'm not saying they're there's they're they're obviously 121 straight league games and they're good, but I I think there's a sense of there are guys we can play with these guys. Sure. They're right. I mean, you could see that throughout the game in a number of stretches. Um, but we have to corner the market on playing hard. And that's every guy that plays. And we have to corner the market on details and small things and um just controlling what we can. And I didn't think we did that. I thought we let some circumstances and situations uh get us away from the things that we can control. Um, I didn't think we were as tight a team or as good a team as we needed to be the second half. I thought you could see body language, you could see some separation, stuff we've talked about before, and we have not seen that at all. We've been an incredibly resilient group preseason scrimmages the whole way through. So I think part of that is definitely fatigue. I think part of that is kind of mental fatigue, but the d the reality is what I said. You play 25 games in a season, you don't feel right every game, and you have to deal with that. And uh I don't think Drew probably thinks they had their best the first half.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Um, I'm sure they thought they played bad the first half.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

How could you, under their circumstances, is very understandable. But they got that that moxie and competitiveness to figure out how to put it together when you got a chance, and the bottom line is you get out of there, take care of business, and then regroup. So you know when we play our absolute best, um, we're gonna go to a different level. But we need to play our best um to to win, to have a chance to win, and I don't think we did. And you're five games in, you've had two scrimmages, I I would honestly say of those six games, those six competitive opportunities, we we really uh kept continuing to show improvement, played pretty well. I I think this seventh one, uh, I don't think we met that mark completely uh to a guy, but there were still promising positive things, so it wasn't a disaster in any stretch of the imagination in terms of just didn't show up and didn't give effort. I think effort was still there, but playing hard is a little bit different, a lot different, and concentration on small things. And I think the tempo and the pressure certainly contributed to that. They'll say that's why they do and what they're doing. Um, but I'm not sure it would have mattered who we played with some of the approaches, some of the things that were very controllable in those moments. And uh, you know, you can you can contest a shot, you can challenge a shot, you can put your hand up and challenge a shot. If you're not doing that, our ball pressure wasn't as consistent. And you know, we're gonna have to defend. We we we have to be able to defend these top high-level teams to beat them. The top teams in our league are phenomenal defensively. Drew, an exceptionally good defensive team, and we're just not there defensively yet, and until we get there, it's gonna be really hard, uh sledding. And we'll be right back. Welcome to Merrick Studios, where stories take the mic and culture comes alive.

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SPEAKER_03 30:12

And now, back to the show. Where we are at right now in comparison to last year is drastically different. In my and from an outsider looking in. There's a there's a like a sense of I don't know, there's a different sense of the to me of this team than there was with last year's team. And that's no disrespect to last year, but there's definitely a different sense of uh competitor. There's this excitement, like uh we kind of knew what we had with Ty, but Joe Bruce, Noah Bailey, those are guys that like I had no idea. Like it's it's kind of fun to see them on the scene and what they can do. And I think we've only scratched the surface with those guys.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

No, I I would I would definitely agree. Uh uh, but again, we've talked about like last year, not last year, it's kind of irrelevant to performance. Like, so we need to be focused on the moment and what we need to do. Uh, I think we have a better sense of our identity, what we need to be, how we need to do it. That's probably where my disappointment is. I don't think we played to that one through 18. I think we have more established roles and we need to get certain things for certain guys. I don't think we got that uh in certain places. I think there was a bit of reversion to, you know, to um, you know, just not where we needed leadership attitude and approach, not in a like a terrible way, but enough that that you can't you can't be successful um with margins we're dealing with and who we're competing against. Um I don't think any of it is is unexpected. It is part, again, I continue to say all the indicators are exactly the same, part of every process we've been a part of.

SPEAKER_04 31:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Um the challenge of the schedule up front here is real. Um the the lack of amount, you know, the the limited amount of non-league games before we started with our youth is really I mean I you know I was talking before our game at Susquehanna with Frank Marcendi, coach of Susquehanna, and he was talking about how just crazy early this is. He's like, man, and as young as you guys are, it's just unfair to your kids. Now, this is a guy that's coached for four four years too, right? Like, he just gets it. Like, there is just a development stage and process, and we're going through it within league games. The good news is we're playing really good teams and getting immediate feedback. Right. And I think there's enough film there to show, hey, you do X, Y, and Z. You can play and be in positions to have chances in all these games. And um, and the more chances you have, eventually uh you you you're gonna pull out. Now it's gonna be about our resilience, our toughness, our confidence, our belief. Um, you know, and and that's you know, uh, can we stick together and can we stay at it and can we keep going? And do we have really have that and will we go back to work? And I always say it's those million small questions you have to answer. We didn't always answer them well in the past here, recent past. Yeah. Um we've always been pretty good at that, and we need to be great at it again. And I I think we are. Like I said, I I really like this team. And I said that to the guys in the locker room, and I said it to them, but we got to be tougher. We have to be tougher. And the bottom line is we, you know, there there's a couple plays in the Susquehanna game where we didn't step in front, guys that we need to step in front of. That's the game. And we're losing out 50-50 balls, and it's the mental toughness to manage that that Drew game. Like when we really just concentrated for possessions and executed, we we were more than fine. I mean, we we really did some really good things against a really good team. Uh, our inconsistency to do that is really what separates the teams that win at a high level and the teams that don't. Um, but there's no better proving ground or opportunity to get better if we just keep uh, you know, if we can stay grounded and and be level about it and understand there's a long season ahead of us and we just got to keep making progress and keep getting better. Uh and we absolutely are. I still I think we were better in our, you know, we were better from Wednesday to Saturday because our approach was more mature, our approach to preparation was great. We were in the gym locking in, whether the guys know it or not, that stuff will carry forward. That's more what I'm concerned about, what's our approach process every single day. But but we also have to live in a world where you're not always gonna feel perfectly right and you're not like, and we gotta get over that stuff and just still do what needs what you know, get done what needs to be done. And when we've had veteran guys, you know, you get to those guys who are junior, seniors, you played all these minutes and been through all this stuff, none of them are right ever. But they can handle it, they're mature enough to take care of the responsibilities they have to take care of no matter what, because they understand what needs to be done to win the game. So a lot of it is just um it's it's on repeat. It's you know, hey, here's another missed free throw blockout. I could go back five years to win Evans group of freshmen, and I was showing them the same thing. You know, like until you clean this up, things aren't gonna happen. And the flip side of that is Drew, you know, executed. One of the things we didn't do is we didn't execute on the free throw on on our part. We weren't given effort to go maybe get a rebound or pull a play out. Well, guess what they do? Right? And that's how they win those games, right? They separate, they pull the games apart because they do that, and then they understand the intensity and focus you have to have at all possessions. And when they press, they they they maximize the number of press possessions. So it forces our our hand in it in terms of our ability to concentrate um and and deal with mistakes repeatedly, and that's where young teams get caught up and and they have a hard time recovering from those things, and sometimes it trickles to the next one, and when we reset, we're fine. Uh, but we just need to use it like everything else to get better and to set us up for for success down the road.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

Yep. So I mean if we look around the league, we got three teams that that came out of the first two conference games at undefeated Drew, Moravian, and Catholic. Catholic and Drew being kind of the same guys from last year.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

And then the rest of them are all in a mix, one and one and oh and two. So you get out of the first the first pack, let's see what happens next.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

It's early, man.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

We get a little break.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

What's what's the schedule like this week? Uh so we we were off today, uh just watch film, uh, and then the guys gotta lift and roll out and get some rest, and then we'll practice tomorrow morning, uh, probably do some skill shooting kind of stuff in the afternoon. We'll practice Tuesday morning, the guys will go home. Uh they'll be off Wednesday, Thursday, and then we'll practice, come back Friday night late, later, um, have a workout, and then we'll practice um Saturday. Uh we'll we'll do Little Eagles on Sunday. It's our first Little Eagles of the Year. No, no practice, but we'll have Little Eagles. So that we'll be back on like game schedule for Monday, Tuesday practice, and we we have Catholic at home.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

Uh Catholic at home on December 3rd and then on the road versus Scranton, December. Oh no, you have Scranton at home too. Yeah. Back home games.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Yeah. So it'll be um another big week. I mean, that'll be uh we have two weeks of class left, so the guys will have a lot of stuff to do there too. So kind of managing and handling all that stuff now comes into play, which again, uh for guys their first cycle through. Yeah. I think that hit a little bit this week. I think we had a fair amount of guys with stuff to do this week uh before they go in for Thanksgiving, you know, like the last time before finals. Um and when you got a lot of young guys, you guys remember that. I mean, a lot of that is just learning how to play the game and what when you need to do what. How long this yeah. I mean, you used to know like if I have to write a five-page paper, it'll take me this long, right? And yeah, you don't even know those things now. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

I don't know if Biz still knows the answer to that question.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

I mean, you know. As long as I can get it done before the bell rings.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

All right, Biz gotta give us our uh our our two game balls. Uh are we sticking with pumpkins, or did you uh invest in an actual game ball? No, I still am waiting for the uh the Junietta one?

SPEAKER_02 37:46

It's all me. It's all my fault. The Junietta ball has not arrived yet. So I mean this is gonna be uh very interesting because you know it uh I mean for the uh Susquehanna game it has to be uh Joe Bruce.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

So that's Bruce's second game ball.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Yeah, I mean the guy had 19 points, like you know, the next closest guy was at nine. So I mean he he kept them in that game from a scoring perspective. He did. Um but then game two. I mean, oh boy. Let me go back to my box score here. I think it's a long dramatic pause. Yeah, I think it's gotta be for me. It's a a two-game sweep for Joe Bruce. Bruce getting his third game ball.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

16 points, three boards, three assists. I'm I'm surprised as how long this takes you to spit out with all the preparation you've done before this podcast. With all the work you do, I this gets lost in the shuffle.

SPEAKER_02 38:53

Listen. I had I did look at these things here. I had I I was torn between Bruce and Kozak, but Kozak had go with your gut. I'm going with Bruce, I gotta go with Bruce, man.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

So Bruce has three. Yeah, Ty has one, Noah has one, and Griff, Griff has one. I'm gonna call him Griff.

SPEAKER_04 39:16

Griff.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

I'm gonna call him Griff. Can I just call him Griff?

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Can we have a new nickname? But that's all right.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

No, I'm calling him Griff.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

We already have a griff. If you give the guy a game ball, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:28

You can't No, no, no. I I think here's another thing I have. I I think we should have all the players should have nicknames.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Well, by the time you get done with all their names, they will.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Okay, so we don't actually know what their names are. I got Griff, I got Bruce, I got Ty, and I got Noah.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

The good news is it's equal opportunity. You're right, you're right. You screw up everybody's name. You still screw up mine and business.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

I I mean I like Griff, but we have a Griff, though.

SPEAKER_03 39:52

But you communicate, you communicate for a living, but you name it. Here's what I'll say about Joe Bruce. Yeah. I love that name. It's really hard to mess up. Two first names, baby. Joe Bruce. And you know, part of my problem in life is I grew up. And like you, Tom Frank. Yeah. I mean, so I never had to learn how to say a hard name. It's Tom Frank. It can't get any easier than that.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

John Davis.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

John Davis, Greg Curley, Drew Baskett. Like, I didn't have a lot of like hard names in my life.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

Everybody messes up my last name.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

Well, I knew you.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

I'm impressed.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

But we called you Biz. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

We never knew your name either, Biz. I didn't, I didn't call you. There's entire yeah, there's entire there's dozens of classmates that don't know your name, Biz.

SPEAKER_03 40:35

That still wouldn't know your name. If I came up and said, hey, this is Drew Basketball, they'd be like, who? I like my ultimate. I want to give a little speaking though of our state college crew, yeah. Did you guys watch uh the Penn State game where they actually showed off the state college high school a little bit at the State College football field? I didn't know. And the fact that Nebraska used the field for their walkthrough?

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Yeah, because uh Matt Rule was uh taking it because of Matt Rule, yeah. His home stadium.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

I thought that was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Yeah, it was a heck of a job interview by Matt Rule. Mm, not much. Not there. Not at all. Not there. All right, so we're good. So we got, you know, it's early. We got two wins under our belt at this point. Anybody, curls, anybody uh that you're seeing emerge as uh leaders? Guys that are starting to maybe take the reins a little bit. Anybody that's uh you don't have to name names, but are you seeing uh some of the leaders emerge?

SPEAKER_01 41:28

Well, I mean, uh I I think we have uh through through Wednesday. I I I think one of our challenges was it wasn't where it needed to be for Saturday, right? So uh again, the consistency of that. Now I I don't I shouldn't say I I think it was probably misplaced. I think our approach towards doing it needs to be refined and matured, and we need to understand how we need to approach and handle those things. I think uh when frustration was high, uh, which all comes from how much these guys care, which there's zero question about. And I think as long as that's there, um you can see the opportunity and ability, but you gotta consistently prepare, you gotta be willing to pay the price. Um, you gotta work through discomfort and take care of what you can control. And um, but yeah, I mean we talk about you know three levels of lead. There's coach-led and team-led, and then there's self-led, and self-leadership is the the single most powerful level of leadership. I I think we're getting much closer to that. I think way more of a team-led group right now, probably a completely team-led group, which is one of the reasons for our our progress. But, you know, I I just keep saying we continue to narrow our focus, but it's not narrow enough. Our focus wasn't narrow enough to win on on Saturday on the things that really, really matter. And sometimes that is understanding that and going through it. Uh, sometimes that's sorting through multiple messages um and kind of transitioning to see firsthand um how what we do impacts what needs to be done because there is a system and style impact of this stuff. Um when you're younger, your point of reference is often from different systems, different voices, different places. That's through no one's fault. Um, and you have to filter through what's which of that stuff holds up for us, which is completely different, and which really matters or impacts performance or outcome in play. So a lot of this is just what it takes. You know, it's what we just talked about. Like as a freshman, your high school study habits were your high school study habits. Did they get you through what you needed to in your college study habits? Or was sitting in that was sitting in that class the same thing. Um was taking notes the same. And the answer to all that is there's a lot of similarities, some are pretty close. But but a lot of times you got it's on the job training, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:43

And that's why Hey, that's the best training, man. Do it. Yeah, that's right. Don't read about it.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

That's why it's hard young, it's it's just hard. Now, here's the deal we can say this for so long, and you know, there have been a lot of young guys that have played a lot of minutes. So once that stuff accumulates, there should be an advantage to that, and we need to start to leverage that on a consistent basis. But I would say through five games, um, you know, I I thought four and a half of the five, we we've done a pretty good job with that. I thought it got away from us. And that's a lot of I mean you give the credit to Drew. That that's I just told the guys off the game I I don't we're not as good as them. They're a better team than us right now and that showed in that game. And that doesn't mean uh they have to continue to be or we can't be that good. That's not the message, but they're clearly the better team in the gym on Saturday. And uh we need to learn from that and if we're gonna get to that class or be in that world we have to handle some things differently and improve in a lot of areas.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

Now when you when you guys watch film like a game against Drew who's obviously elite do you look at them and say here's what they do here's see how they did it. Do you use what they're doing as teaching or are you focus more on here's what we didn't do?

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Yeah I mean I I mean like the free throw stuff I talked about I said well you know see this is what it looks like and Okay um you know some of some of it is the responsibility and the weight with res with roles that guys have right now. You know they have to come to grips with like yeah you have to play both ends. Oftentimes in high school you hide a little bit you take breaks you rest you do this you only have really this job description and if you do that you're fine the rest of it and and a lot of times the opponent can't pressure those things in you so it's not like you're getting away with it it's just you don't really have to do it. This whole at our level there's more things you have to do and you have to do it consistently and then there's no break from it. And that's what we used with their top guys. I mean you know Dylan Mules will was a defensive player of the year in the league last year. He's an elite rebounder uh he's an elite passer um he can bring the ball up for them he'll he's their best probably overall uh you know hardest worker plays the hardest um so yeah I mean that's what I showed he's the guy like making a spin move or trying to get quick on the free throw line and get an extra possession and he's the last guy that has to do it but he went he's a winner and he wants to win um and he and he worked that way and we need to learn that that consistent effort focus and energy that it takes to win and in where those spaces are. So we absolutely use that we use that a lot probably drives the guys nuts. I'll be like hey amazing they must do something different there they know how to do those things we just can't get ourselves to consistently do that stuff. Aaron Ross Powell Consistency though and consistency will come with experience I think well with the right amount of work and preparation we talk about when we talk about like the focus on the process of of getting to a championship level we talk about three phases and that's prepare preparation um you know that's competing at a championship level and then a focus on execution at a championship level you got to do all three sometimes uh at the same time sometimes you're focused on other things what I would say to that game is our preparation was at a championship level we really practiced hard and well um I thought we competed um for portions at a high level we did not compete the entire game at that level and if you're not competing at a championship level consistently you use the look use you lose the opportunity to get to the point of executing that level consistently and that's where the preparation plus the competitiveness matches your focus to the execution and then you'll be able to execute at that level. And I thought for four games we did a pretty good job of that. I thought we our best example of that by far was Wednesday at Susquehanna. Sure. Like we executed our post defense a lot of things that we really had to work hard on because the competitiveness matched our preparation and then it matched our focus on executing the things we've worked on and talked about or that we value. And you've got to do that repeatedly and you've got to do it consistently and you got to do it over and over and over again. And what I've told our guys about playing these games against really good teams that fight right there every possession whether the scoreboard says what we want or not if matter of fact even more if it says what we want like like that fight is what gets us out of where we are. But it has to be there relentlessly and all the time and it's the thing we we call competitive endurance. You have to have the endurance to do this and you have to be able to take the hits. So we don't know we won't know those answers. So we got to wake up tomorrow and go back to work have a great practice with great enthusiasm and get focused on doing that things and get back at it. And the great blessing we have is we get to play Kath in Scranton right away and we get to go through the that um uh gauntlet again and have those opportunities to have every possession matter at a huge amount level and every small mistake we make get magnified that narrows focus that get brings us down lower so we understand the value but then it becomes your individual discipline leadership and desire um I think these guys have shown that um they've really worked hard I think they were really disappointed in their performance on on Saturday um but we we we could talk about that stuff we got to do it consistently and then we got a weather storm and work through this stuff and just stay together.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

Hey I'm in well Bez as we head into Thanksgiving week this will come out by the eve of Thanksgiving I say I I say thank you to both of you it's always a pleasure hey this is uh I'm thankful for this podcast and getting to see your mugs once a week and I'm thankful we got a team here that's putting in the work. That's all right and we're we're gonna we're gonna have I can feel the good results coming.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

Before we leave I do we did have some some tough news in counting the Junietta basketball family the last couple weeks. We unfortunately lost two uh uh people that impacted our program in a number of ways first um uh Dale Miller uh who I believe graduated um in nineteen ninety six if I got that right um but he actually passed away from cancer um he was born in nineteen seventy four so he's about fifty one years old he leaves his younger son uh and his wife yeah and um casey crack he was on here it was a teammate of his um Frank Vogel those guys that he was part of that group and those guys I know that was a big hit to those guys um he was a he was a follower of our podcast uh I really it was weird our paths never crossed completely um I met him once or twice but didn't know him as well as a lot of the other guys on this but um I just wanted to express our condolences um and absolutely you know that was a big that's a tough one and it also speaks to how much this experience means and how much of a difference it makes and how much it impacted those guys and what those friendships mean yeah uh 30 years later. Yeah the other one uh Terry Bills uh Marcus Lee's grandfather um actually passed away also um in the same time frame um and he you guys had the chance I believe have had the chance to meet him I think you played golf with him a few times I played golf with him in the golf hand great absolutely stupendous man it was uh it was an enjoyable 18 holes for sure uh you know he's one that just uh a consistent constant supporter of our program um even after Marcus left but never missed a game Marcus played yeah never a homer away game in his entire career um really helped raise Marcus um he and his wife helped raise Marcus um and uh you know always afterwards kept showing up the golf outing and was always such a great supporter at great sense of humor and guys absolutely um again our condolences go out to the family and we're just blessed to have had him as a part of our program um and he was one of those guys that validated what we do um that we gotta be doing something right if uh he wanted to continue to be around yeah yeah amen our condolences to the family that's uh tough loss to not only their family but all of Juniatta yes yes well on that note I will say happy thanksgiving to you guys say happy thanksgiving to all of Junietta nation happy thanksgiving we'll be back we'll be back next uh next week to to preview some big games yeah we got Catholic we got Scranton two of the teams that I despise the most so let's uh let's let's go out and see what we can do.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

I just can't wait for that stuffing man I'm so excited to get that stuff have have yourself uh some good stuffing maybe I'll see curly up in in good old state comedy oh man that that saddens me greatly but enjoy one in my honor just roll on up enjoy one in my honor fellers we'll pour one out for you all right well don't pour it out just drink it man I mean pour it in my mouth yeah but yeah let's not be crazy let's not be crazy yeah all right guys all right there we go send your thoughts uh and follow the show on Instagram at Juniad Basketball Show subscribe to the Juniad Men's Basketball Show at Apple Spotify wherever you listen to the podcast and until next time I'm Tom Fan I'm Biz I'm the head coach Gret Crow all right go get some filling I'm gonna go get some filling right now filling you call it filling stuffing what do you call it no it's stuffing stuffing