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Flex & Facts Podcast — Peptides: Hype (Flex), Science & the (Facts)

Join Sculpturefitness Flex & Facts host Jose A. Martinez and co-host Lucas V. Dias as they break down one of today’s most talked-about health and fitness topics: peptides. This episode explores what peptides actually are, their relationship to amino acids and naturally occurring hormones such as insulin, and how different peptide pathways may influence metabolism, recovery, muscular development, and body composition. Jose and Lucas separate the Flex from the Facts by examining the difference between medically established peptide therapies and experimental compounds promoted for performance, anti-aging, recovery, and fitness without sufficient long-term human research. The conversation also tackles important questions about FDA approval, potential side effects, excessive biological signaling, and whether manipulating growth-related pathways could carry unintended health risks. Flex & Facts: Peptides gives listeners a practical, science-focused conversation designed to help them understand the potential, limitations, and unanswered questions behind one of the fastest-growing trends in modern health and fitness.

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SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome to the Sculture Fitness Flex and Facts Podcast. I'm your host, Jose Martinez. I'm Lucas Diaz. And we're going to be discussing today something that the fitness industry has exploded in, has exploded in the fitness industry, uh in medicine, weight loss, recovery, anti-aging clinics, and social media. Peptides. Alright, let's get to it. So some of the things you're going to be hearing when you hear peptides is stuff like, for example, BPC157, TB500, TJC 1295, Empower Moletherin, semiglutide, trisepatite, which also are commonly known as, you know, Mongiro and Ozempic, GHQ, GHKCU, and most C.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Mazzi. Matzi, which is It's actually oral, so I don't even consider that one a peptide because peptides can't be taken orally because then once inside the digestive tract, they break it down and you can't actually be affected.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Yeah, and this is kind of what makes this whole pepti talk thing kind of annoying and interesting at the same time because a lot of people are acting like this is kind of like a miracles process now that eventually it's gonna make you into a superhuman and it's gonna heal and cure all your problems. Like if you want to get muscle peptide, you want to get better skin, peptide, you want to get better teeth, better hair, peptide, you want to lose weight, peptide, you want to recover from muscle gain, peptide. And unfortunately, that's not the way things work. And what we're gonna be doing in Flex and Fact is discussing what is a fact and what is just a flex from the industry and marketing standpoint to kind of gain your interest and take your money. So let's go ahead and talk about the first one that we always hear about, the famous one.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Let's talk Oh, oh, Ozempic.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

You know. So basically, yeah. So with Ozempic, for example, here we have a drug that basically kind of makes you sick in order for you to kind of lose weight. So that's how you lose your appetite.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

It's overriding your physiology and basically telling. And it's also taking away the dopamine, I guess. Like when you eat food, you feel good, right? It's taking away that pleasure aspect. So one of the side effects that people are hearing about is is depression because they feel like that that whatever, that urge, whatever that good feeling they have.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Well, that's kind of the that's kind of the thing, right? It's like when you begin to try to override the human body's natural function, at one point do you become codependent and it's beneficial. And so at one point do you become codependent, and at what point does it become beneficial? So it's like one of those things where you have to really be clear what is your objective, what is it that you really are trying to do? So that's when I kind of have a problem because it's like if it overwrites the natural functions of the body, which are more important, then what are you really losing? Plus, the fact that these people in the medical field, I've always been annoyed by this, by the way. You guys are gonna hear about this. They've always addressed weight loss, not fat loss, right? Because fat is the lightest thing in our anatomy. It is the lightest thing in our anatomy, but yet that is the main emphasis that you hear is lose weight. So in that process, you're losing muscle, which is live tissue that keeps you going. You're losing, as a result of losing muscle, essentially you're gonna lose bone density. So everything that's solid in your body is gonna go down the wayside. Your neurological receptors, since they're gonna have less active tissue to work with, are also going to then suffer. So from a neurological standpoint, you're also being affected.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Yeah, so then you gotta risk like do the risk outweigh the the good, right? So, like for some cases, I feel like they could, like, for example, because somebody's morbidly obese, they can't even walk anymore. You know what? The risk of going blind might be worth it if you can't move.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Facts. You'll just be dead. So that will be a fact, for example. Like, if you if you're having a tough time moving, if you're having a tough time breathing, if you have a tough time because you have a cardiovascular condition, right? If you're having anything that's restricted based on the fact that you are overweight, then that should be an avenue for you to consider. But now, the key question is is like which one of these is worse? Because at the end of the day, are you doing something in the process of taking this stuff to change your habits? The things that make you fat in the first place. Like fixing your behavior. Yeah. Because if if I'm just stopping you from eating, but I'm not teaching you how to eat, I'm not teaching you how to work out, how to present you know, what are we doing over here? And the second you're off the stuff, you're going right back to the same behavior. You're back on it again. So it's like it's a band-aid, but it's not a cure. So I think that that's kind of goes back to what, you know, for me, I've always been an advocate of, you know, health first, fitness second. But in this case, fitness overwrites the predominant precursors to get to health. So it's like if you you need a certain amount of discipline to be able to sit there and count macros. True. It's a pain in the butt. No one likes it. I've been doing this for 30 years. I don't like it. No one does. But at the end of the day, it's a necessity, right? So it's like you need to know that if your body has a BMR, there's only efficient by 2600 calories, that if you go past those 2600 calories and you're not exercising, you're gonna gain fat. You're not gonna gain weight, you're gonna gain fat. And the reason why I keep trying to make the difference is because again, fat and weight are two different things. Fat and weight are two different things, guys. And we need to make that clear because a lot of people keep getting kind of tossed out the wayside with this, with this whole thing of weight. And that's why that's some of the flex that the industry has done to be able to get you to buy into a lot of this stuff. You know, you'll be hearing about all the things that we also dealt with in fitness are ridiculous when it comes to this whole weight and fat loss. It's two different subjects altogether. So, yeah, so I think inflammation, how to reduce inflammation. If they come up with something like that, I'll be down. I'm not gonna lie. Or like just instant muscle? That'll be fire. Like, I will definitely job though. I mean, right, you know what I'm saying? I will live. Well, no, not really. Because here's the thing the beauty about muscle that it's not consistent.

unknown 6:33

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

No media in the human body is is is consistent. So you gain, and this is what a lot of people fall short. They think, oh, I'm gonna just see a trainer for a few days, and and you know, I'm gonna train with Lucas or Jose for like three weeks, and you know, once I get my goals, I'm I'm gonna leave them because I know everything already. You don't. You don't, you don't. The key fact is you cannot see yourself in 3D. That's the first freaking thing most people throw down the wayside that they do not realize is what makes a good trainer from a bad trainer with the trainer's real job is to watch you in 3D in angles you cannot see yourself, to make sure that your anatomy and ergonomics are fitting the exercise and the movement you're doing. That's the first thing. The second thing is muscle needs maintenance because the muscle that you have in the morning at seven o'clock in the morning when you get up, two hours later, has put on a good pound or two of water. So that's not, even though it's the same filament of muscle, it's not the same muscle, it's not the same volume of muscle, and it has a different set of behavior, it's gonna affect the way your blood pressure flows, it's gonna affect the way your cardio response is. So all those things matter. So the fact that you know people think that they're just gonna gain muscle and not do anything to maintain it, bro, it's some of the software crap there is.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Also, movement's a skill. So even if you have muscle, you don't want to move it or use it, you're just gonna create imbalances, injuries, all that.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yeah, and then I get in, and with that goal is the fact that you're not you're now gonna have neurological impairments, which are gonna cause more activation and predominant muscles, and that's the muscle imbalance you were just talking about, that is going to lead to people going around the gym with bodies that don't make sense. I see it all the freaking time. I'll see guys that have huge shoulders. Huge. I mean huge, bro. It's like scary, bro. Like they don't even look like normal shoulders anymore. They look retarded. Yeah, they literally like freaking have melons on each freaking shoulder. But yet, when you look at their movement, these guys want to throw a punch, bro. Like, they're going right here, bro. They're literally going to extend. Yeah, because they have literally no kind of range of motion. They're not flexible. They don't bother stretching, don't even think about getting the stretch. I mean, that's just not gonna happen. And again, all this stuff cannot be substituted by the topic we're talking about, which is peptides, peptides or peptides. So, yeah, man. And then what's the other one that we were just talking about?

SPEAKER_01 8:57

I guess the new trend is like recovery, right? So, like the TB, what is that? The Hercules stack? Was it TB 500, the BP 157? TB viral, yeah. There's a lot of antidote on it, like as people say, like it works on them, but there's no clinical trial. So, like, even though they're taking it, it could be maybe your inflammation's down, maybe the fact that you're you're not exercising is helping the cure, not the actual peptide. So, yes, there's people that say it's good, but and then also the dosage. How do we know how much we should dose somebody?

SPEAKER_00 9:27

And that goes back to what I'm saying. Are you dosaging active tissue versus inactive tissue? Because again, if you're going by weight and that's your unit of measurement, weight encompasses every aspect of your anatomy, including inflammation. So you're gonna be servicing the inflammation too, you know what I mean? Because if that's the case, then we're we already are starting with a false marker. Yeah, so again, there are multiple things that people need to educate themselves on as to their own anatomy, which is why did you seek professional help? In order to take this stuff. And I think that's kind of what it falls short on, is that everybody keeps trying to, I don't know, work out shortcuts instead of just doing the work. And you know, but at the end of the day, you know, there's money in it. I mean, I was I mean, literally, yeah, we get offers, I get offers to to put in peptides into the into the business every single month. And you know, double your business by $20,000 more a month if you just include peptides. So yeah, it's tempting, but at the same time, are you going to be responsible for the fact that it's not FDA regulated right now? If they're still working on a lot of research and trials, human trials at that, they're going to see if they can affect, you know, cell reproduction. For example, that's another one. You know, the IGF ones, you know, all these drugs are kind of working with the brain and dealing with new and with neurological receptors. I gotta be honest with you, man. I don't know if I feel comfortable with that at all. You know what I mean? It's like there's too many factors that can go wrong. They can, you know, once you start into trying to reproduce more cells, you can you can very easily go into reproduction of cancer. So then when is it good? When is it bad? How pure is it? How pure is it?

SPEAKER_01 11:20

How is it regulated? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, but source. Where is the source from? China? Yeah. I saw a video of some doctors sourcing them and uh took them to a lab, and almost every single one had lead in it. So freaking lead. And also, people don't know if they're allergic to this. So, what if you have an allergic reaction on the contact site where you're injecting and it can cause an infection? There's other factors that people don't think about.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

I honestly think that's just not getting the result. That's really the crazy part of that crap, is that honestly, people are so desperate. And I look, and I feel everyone's pain about this, man. I mean, I, you know, after doing bodybuilding, after doing pilot thing, I've had several injuries in my life that have set me back to the point that I gotta be honest. I've had people, you know, question do I even on the gym, am I really fit? Yeah, guys, this is you're looking at 300 and something pounds of not just fat. You know, obviously, if that was the case, this dual XL would not fit me. Not a one XL, sure as hell wouldn't fit me. And yet it does. It's not necessarily like that. But at the end of the day, I wish. I wish there was something that could just, you know, get rid of my inflammation right away quick and just clean cut dieting and working out. Because the workout that I normally used to do, it'll be two to three hours. 47 years old. I'm not gonna three, I one, I don't have the time, and two, I'm not gonna sit there at a gym that's crowded as hell with a bunch of people that I'll do this in front of machines and just text message to you know, waste two to three hours of my time that I could be putting into my business. I'll do what I can to maintain my health, maintain my step, and move on. But the fact is, it would be nice if there's something that can speed up my recovery. I mean, hell, I mean, you're you're 32 now, Luke. How's your workout then going? Is it is it like do you have your energy all the time? Nah, I get sore as hell. Body's aching. You know what I mean? And that's what comes with it, man, is that we are human, and I think the best advice that anybody in the health industry should be able to give somebody is try to focus on being the better version of you by mastering all the things that cripple you in behavior. So, man, look, if you're having two cookies at night, try to have one, you know? Going on the weekend, having three drinks, have one. You know, doesn't mean you gotta stop living, just moderate, you know. So back to that, what was it?

SPEAKER_01 13:46

You said the GA GLP one? No, uh no, the IGF one. IGF one. There's actual data that shows that it actually it prevents mTOR release, so it's anti-anabolic. So one thing you think you're gonna build muscle, it's actually hindering your muscle recovery and process. You see, and then it gets too new.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

This is what I'm saying is that I think that you know, you know, we're gonna populate the uh the definition of peptides and also the definition of hormones because I think people need to know. You'll see it on the top of it while we're talking. And for those of you that are joining in, you're gonna be able to see exactly what we're discussing and why is it that we're discussing it. Because honestly, there's just too many trends I've seen in fitness. I mean, I've been in this, I mean, since Lucas was one. And literally, I keep telling people, like, I've seen so many things, which is what inspired me to start this podcast to show people that they have been just pulled on, they have been, they have been strong armed into society. Hence my why I call it flex. Because it's like you're literally just saying, man, we're so marketable. We're gonna show you a factor, we're gonna give you a problem and then sell you the solution. And it's always like that. So now we become, I become at least myself, a bit skeptical. Is it really for our benefit?

SPEAKER_01 15:04

You know what I'm saying? No, I think the marketing rush came out of nowhere because the FDA is actually legalizing some of these peptides for so people can sell legally and it's no longer just black market. And so they're taking advantage while it's going through that process. They're already pumping out those ads, making everyone want to do it. I'm sure there's social media people getting paid to talk about it and say they take it and or just try it, they get paid to try it. And they're taking everything else anyway, so they're not gonna they don't have to tell you what else they're taking.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

And see, and that and that to me is the dishonesty part, right? Because now you gotta ask yourself, like, are we really gonna do this for the better of mankind? You know, are we really gonna do this because we're trying to help each other be better or, you know, find ways of being optimized, of being, you're gonna hear the word optimum the next couple of years a lot because everybody's subsidizing everything through either ChatGPT or any type of social media or artificial intelligence outfits that's out there, and they're trying to subsidize true human capability. And what they don't realize is, you know, in fitness, we know this, right? If a person tries to create a new method for a workout, essentially the workout becomes so comfortable that it takes away the benefits of the initial intent of the workout that was created for. So people start beginning to do, you know, to throw something out there, the shoulder press. Oh, and people will see, oh, but can is it okay if I do it sitting down? Is it the same as standing up? Well, chances are the objective of an overhead press is to lift something from the ground over your head because you have to carry it. That was the initial intent from a hunter and gathering past. So now you went ahead and said, Oh, I'm gonna do that sitting down. What do you think you're gonna do to the natural ergonomics of that body that initially wanted to use the legs, wanted to use the core in order to do it? You're going to create a left-sided effect of muscle enhancement that is not necessarily gonna match in overall usage. So one day you're gonna go use it when a friend asks you to like help them move a couch or something, you're not gonna be able to perform it. And although you look jacked, you have jacked shoulders, you're not gonna be able to perform it. Why? Because you don't have that chair to support you at that moment. So the same thing is when it comes to a lot of these supplements, man. It's like, I think that the constant need of supplementation versus trying to focus on ways of creating better discipline, I think is the problem.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

I think that's where the problem is. It's all goes around the same root problem, right? What bodybuilding teaches you and like working out is delayed gratification, right? Live for tomorrow. And then everything that these peptides and the way they market is just like instant gratification, just like everything in society today. Everything's in instant gratification. So you're not learning the behavior of and how to be a winner in life, which is delayed gratification.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Well, then the funny thing is that that's what you learn. You learn in failure. I've never, I never wanted to open up my own business until I saw myself doing an engineering contract at the engineering contract, making a lot of money and not necessarily feeling fulfilled. And then having to rely that when I was in an engineering contract, I was stuck to a 40-hour desk job designing so that someone else can get the credit. So, did I really want to do that? No, not really. So I wanted to have something that it was talk about immediate gratification, but it took a lot of work and effort to make it to that point where now I'm no longer just relying on Jose's ability, right? I'm helping other people do the same and get to it. And I think that that's kind of where everybody misses the boat. We can talk about any single tool that's out there to make things better or easier, but are they really making us better? If there was a pill, now here's a good one. If there was a pill that will induce discipline, bro, I'll buy that shit right now. I'll buy that, I'll buy that, I'll buy it right now. You know what I'm saying? I'll I'll be the biggest customer in the universe, man. Like, you understand? Like, I'll buy buckets of that stuff. But there isn't. Because the fact is you cannot get discipline unless you truly are a person that severely looks for adversity to persevere. If you're not that type of person that you you the same thing when you're lifting weights, you're you're pushing yourself to really feel that muscle, to feel a bursting inside of you with blood and oxygen and just really seek that that break, that burn. Bridge failure. Exactly. I mean, you how many people you know will get good muscles unless they feel that? So they think, oh, I did 10 reps. They knew they're not sore, they didn't reach maximum output, but they want to say that it they worked out. It's just uh an emotional pat on the back, you know, to make you feel like you did something. And then they want maximum change and effort from it, and it just doesn't work. It doesn't work, man. You know what I mean? So yeah, I think honestly, um my thing is when it comes to peptides, I I honestly any of these.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Do the good outweigh the bad? Right. Right. Is it necessary? And how much do you know about it? Like, I guess the the weight loss ones have a lot more study, more FDA approval, whereas the other ones are a lot in the gray.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Well, trusippitai, I'm not gonna lie. Like, you know, the whole thing with trisippitai, we know we talked about Ozempa, but with Trozipatai, you know, the people know as Manjaro, I'm not gonna lie, the stuff that I heard and so far has been proven, it is pretty, you know, is it's pretty enticing. I'm not gonna lie. It's it's one of those that's very seemed very promising, but yet again, what about people are trying to have kids? How does it affect the reproductive system? We don't know that. You know what I mean? We don't know, we don't have data that's prove how it affects somebody who is, let's say, pre-Alzheimer's or pre-menopause, pre-menopausal women. You know, you you're talking about uh a chemical plant of of of hormones. Premenopausal woman, bro. Self-administered? Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing. If it is, yeah, it is self-administered because that's they'll just give you the dosage and then you put it on yourself. The same thing with Ozempic. So what if you mess up? So yeah, that's the other one. It's like, okay, so you know, the main the main pattern, and that part I have looked into, um, when it comes to like the Ozempic and the Monjaro is the pen. That pen is where that's because you can't you can't have the compound made at a like an uh any lab. Any lab, yeah. So the the main thing is though, is that freaking pen. So they made the pen specifically so that you really can't mess up. So the dose already comes in. The pen, yeah. Oh sure. So it's like literally they separate each dose per pen. Ah, yeah. That's why they're paying a thousand dollars a month. So people don't realize it's that freaking pen. The pen is what has that you that utility patent, which is insane. And it has a utility and design pattern. So they they really cover their butt on that. But let me tell you, I'm not gonna lie, from what I've seen, it's it's affected because it, but my only question is because my wife and you know, my wife is in the medical field, and and we talked about this all the time. It's like, can they really get to the subcutaneous fat layer? Because it's supposed to be subcutaneous, like only like in the in the little fat area there, and then like you're supposed to pinch your fat and like put it in the fat, right? Just pretty freaking interesting. I mean, so it's like if you really think about that, is it really something that anybody can do? Can anybody really just grab their pinch of and know what the subcutaneous layer is? You know, how much of it is skin? Yeah. And how potent is it gonna be on somebody that let's say has three to four to five layers of subcutaneous fat, and then have another reserve of about three to four layers, and then have their skin on top of it, which already has been thickened by the fat. You see what I'm trying to tell you? It's like now, do how do you gauge that needle from really penetrating through? So it's it's things like that that I'm still questioning with that mechanism, but that in the majority of the cases.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

That's yeah, it regulates the blood blood sugar as well. It's different diabetes.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Yeah, now that that's uh there's a lot of a lot of things with that. The whole blind stuff though, I don't know about that. Like I wouldn't trade my vision. Like, you know. I heard that's in the dosing too, which is also in the air.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

So yeah. If I were to try that, I would want a doctor to do it. I don't know. It's just just me. I'd be too afraid. Everyone's every other drug you gotta do.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

I hate needles. I hate needles. It's the main one of the main reasons, besides the fact I was born with a heart issue, that I never use steroids is because I'm a I'm I'm a punk when it comes to needles. You put a gun in my face, I have no problem. Put a needle, I have an issue. I I I do not like needles. I don't like it, it's just weird to me. And and hormones, man, hormones are just that's another one. I don't think people realize when you put a hormone in your body, that's not like, dude, you can be a crack addict and recover from being a crack addict. Once you put a hormone, that's permanent. That's that's just like that's like it's like whatever changes doing, it's done. Like that, I don't I don't know, man. I don't know if I like something that permanent in me, bro. Like, you know, so I don't know. It's all been questionable. But yeah, I mean, that's kind of how I'm seeing it. I think that again, for me, when it comes to this particular subject, I think it's uh it's more of a 50-50 outcome, right? So I'm gonna say 50% flex, 50% fat. 50% flex in the sense that it is being used for marketing, it is being used to kind of sell and get people hyped up about things that they might not necessarily need. That is okay if they use it in the short term when they are relatively already in good shape, but not necessarily when you're completely dependent already because you have other medical issues. I don't think we're ready for that. So that's the that's the fact part that I think that we need to address. I don't think that also the other fact is is I guess quality control.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

It's not there yet. It's just not. It's just like the Retta True Tide, right? That everyone's talking about. Everyone's taking Chinese version because the FDA hasn't approved it from Lily. So Lily's not selling Reddit, so who's selling it? That chick is getting rich right now, Lily.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Yeah, I mean, well, that's Lily. Yeah, bro. Like, yo, Lily, you want to sponsor us, bro? Let us know. I'll take some. Man, whatever, man. You know what I mean? We'll definitely get this going, Lily. I mean, if you want to be a sponsor, we will promote you. We will take you, Lily. We will, Lily. I mean, you know, I'm just saying. But no, but in all seriousness, I mean, it's true, though. It's like it's uh, it's it's just man, it's such a gray area, man. Like, and I hate gray. So any man that knows me knows how much I hate gray. I like black and white. So you're wearing gray right now. So right now, you're right. That's kind of kind of deceiving. You're right. But I have the black right there, you see what I'm saying? And I and then you're white, so I don't even know how it relates, but whatever. Um, so the fact is, it it's it's kind of like that though, guys. It is is I don't know, dog. I don't know. I don't know if I don't know if I would literally take it upon myself to say I like this idea of depending for almost every change that we need to be fit on peptides. You know. So that's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

I give it three years until I even question it.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Yeah, I'm a I'm a guinea pigs, try it first. I agree, man. I mean, to be honest, look, one of my backgrounds was with the FDA was as a mechanical designer, I designed NSFs, right? So that's that stands for new sterile facility. This was the facility needed in order for a drug to be created, right? And I can tell you guys, an NSF takes a while to build, and it takes a team of engineers to build it for the particular drug that is going to be created in it. And you can and it cannot be reused because it will stop being a new sterile facility if you did, right? So one of the interesting facts about that is that in reality, when you build an NSF, the main thing you're trying to regulate is QA. QA. You're constant checking to the QA. I mean, you we we designed an HVAC system for any type of drug where one complex part of it, one one division, one part of the building will be holding a 1,000 particle area, the other will be set to only hold 500 particle, a 500 particle area, a 200-particle. I mean, we're talking like very small areas of infiltration or any type of like molecular changes can happen, right? And even with that, you still have things that you have to go back once a drug is created to do QA. Man, it takes years to be perfected it. I mean, just to give you an idea, once an NSF is built, it takes about 90 days for the staff that's gonna work in it to be trained as to how to be in the building with the active ingredients they're going to be using. That's how hard it is to deal with it. So the rating which they have produced this, do I trust any lab anywhere just kind of compounding stuff and making it up and sending it to me to my house? I don't know, man. That's a risk you take. You know what I mean? Because you might not be getting the best stuff. So that's a fact. And the flex, shitload of money, man. A lot of money in this stuff. I ain't gonna lie, guys. A lot of money. That's the flex. The flex is there's a lot of money to be made. The fact is, we don't know everything about it. Then you get some quick results short term. Absolutely. So, with that being said, this is gonna be cutting off our last and first episode, first episode, sorry, uh, of uh this topic on flex and facts, sculpture fitness. We'll see you on the next one. Join us.