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Welcome to The P3 Podcast— a podcast at the intersection of Christ and Culture! 
Where faith, music, life, fatherhood, relationships, and everything in between collide.

In Episode 1, “In The Beginning…”, we go back to the beginning: How did the three of us meet? Why did we decide to create a podcast? And where did our names of "Parables, Playlists, & Perspectives" come from?

We’re introducing you to Phillip "PJ" Ward II, Chris "CADNCE" Jones, and Jameson Ray — three friends with different gifts, different experiences, and different ways of seeing the world, but one thing in common: a belief there’s always a story worth telling, a perspective worth exploring, and a conversation worth having.

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SPEAKER_02

What up, what up, what up, what up, what up? Welcome to an episode of the P Three Podcast, Parables, Playlists, and Perspectives. I am Chris Jones, aka Cadence. Um to my right, we got the amazing TJ. Yo yo. And to his right, we got the incomparable James Bray. I'll take it. What's good, y'all? What's good, man? How y'all doing? We ended it. Episode one?

SPEAKER_05

It's real. Episode one. It's real.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, real. Real quick.

SPEAKER_05

Real quick.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

Been a long time coming. I feel good, bro. I'm in a good mood.

SPEAKER_02

Are you? Are you are you? Oh, listen. Like a light.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I don't know. I did, I told you. But my kid is uh is started potty training finally. And she's have been in the same pull-up all day. No issues. From from what I've heard today.

SPEAKER_03

Can I can I tell you how much I don't miss that and how I'm just grateful?

SPEAKER_05

She she R. Kelly me twice yesterday. R. Kelly is crazy.

SPEAKER_03

That's a crazy drop for episode one.

SPEAKER_05

I'm just, hey, I'm gonna make you sitting on my lap and like, oh man, these training panties ain't listen.

SPEAKER_02

Listen, as somebody who's also currently going through a potty training phase, we're gonna go ahead and give her a nice round of applause. Yeah, we don't want to step on that. Dope, dope moment. For sure. Um, so yeah, what we what we gonna start with?

SPEAKER_03

Well, we gotta start with us. Because while we here, yeah, who are we? What we what we talking about? So um so this is the P3 podcast. We are parables, playlists, and perspectives, but nobody knows who we are. Nobody knows how we got together. So where did this come from? Where did this start? How did we how did we get to to this moment where we actually started this thing?

SPEAKER_02

Um in the beginning. In the beginning. In the beginning, um, well, we we all got united um and came together. You know, first of all, going to our church, Believer City. I ain't even gonna let you cut me, you know, Believer City Church, you know, in Red Oak, Texas, with Pastor Christopher Fagan. Shout out, sir. Shout out, shout out to PC. Um, and we had this group that we were part of called the Powerhouse, right? And um, it was this intense 12-week course where I was late almost every Sunday. I was late the first time. I ain't gonna hold you. PC let me in. I and I was able to continue.

SPEAKER_03

And you were late the second time. I was not late and the third time.

SPEAKER_02

I was not late. And the yeah, I was listening I was I was one of the last ones to get there. I listen, I personally took it as a challenge to race to get there. Like to see how quickly I could do it. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Um, but we had this intense 12-week uh course that we went and showed up at at 6 30 p.m. every Sunday during the games. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to enjoy the game.

SPEAKER_03

We'll make sure that we get out there. Powerhouse is a non-hazen organization. Yeah, yeah. I feel like you gotta put that disclaimer out now. Yeah, there was no hazing going on. At all. Just brotherhood and fellowship.

SPEAKER_02

Brotherhood and that's what it was all about. Um, brotherhood and fellowship. Um, we we got you know entrenched in the word and we was able to break down scriptures and we had these great, amazing conversations. And and in session one, it got real, real, real quick, and you know, it was a lot of tears flowing. I know for me personally it was as well, and um, I just really, really enjoyed it and I wanted to continue this thing. Um, and so I naturally inside of those 12 weeks, I connected with you two brothers the most. Like we'd be in there, and when somebody says something a little off, when you see somebody cut their eyes like this, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03

The people that you can't sit next to in turn for a funeral, something that cannot sit next to either of y'all. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So it was just one of those things that just it was just a natural organic thing. And um, I just really, really enjoyed it and I wanted to continue. And like even in, I mean, in one of the not outside of a session, me and Jameson got invited to a basketball game, uh, Dallas Mavericks game. We came before it seen the Warriors play. And in that moment, we were in the back, we were in the back, PC was in the front, and Durant brother Durant was driving. And then I can recall um Jameson having the discussion. And this is when I knew I wanted to do a podcast with them. He got to talking about um, yeah, man, I don't know about aliens. Like, what about the alien Jesus? And when he said that, it was so off the wall. Like, who's the G who's the Jesus for the aliens?

SPEAKER_05

If they're aliens, in order for them to exist in my mind, they have to have a savior. Like they do. Like they have to like, did Jesus die for their sins? He had to.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so listen, it was so off the wall. So yo, when I tell you I was in tears laughing at that, bro, I was like, oh yeah. I was about to say, completely sincere. The utmost conviction, the utmost conviction. He said, Who's they Jesus? I'm not rocking because it was like, I think at the time they was like, yo, aliens really exist. It's a thing. And he was like, I'm not rolling, bro. They Jesus. I said, I gotta do a podcast right here. So I knew then he was the first person, and then you know, as we were doing all the sessions, you were like one of the standout uh members of you know inside of Powerhouse because every single conversation we would have, you would navigate it in such a brilliant way, and you you would bring everything book, chapter, verse. You and I would I remember one time you did it, and it had to been like the 20th time, and I was just like, bro, how you do that? Like, why you so good at that words? All God, brother. All God, brother. Like he was like, uh, all God, brother. And I was just like, all right, but in that moment, I knew I wanted to, you know, ask you to do the podcast as well. Um, I didn't know if it would work with Jamison because I know he's so busy, he's booked and busy every weekend. You know, if you're looking to get a wedding done, please, you know. Matter of fact, this episode is brought to you by Jameson right photography. I can wear a shirt today. He didn't wear a shirt on today, but um, we were so busy I didn't know. And so I asked PJ, he was with it. Um, initially he came up with the name Parables and Playlists, and I was like, that's absolutely fire, you know. I mean, and then eventually, you know, we had that kind of I I gotta tell it. I gotta tell it. You gotta tell the story.

SPEAKER_03

So we had got into playing it like so. We were deep into figuring out like what this was gonna look like.

SPEAKER_02

I wasn't even gonna do it, but I'm gonna go ahead because I told the story yesterday to his man, too. Like, and so um we were having the conversation, we we had linked up already. We came up with the name Parables and Playlists, and we said, all right, we're gonna do this. And I wanted to do it with Jamison, but I was like, we just ain't I ain't had a right time, and we were trying to figure this out. And then um at the end of the graduation of Powerhouse, at the end of 12 weeks, we had to go ask the wife. We had to go talk to the wife and make sure that they was good. We all married, we gotta be respectful and honor. We learned about honor and honoring your spouse, so we had to talk to the wives afterwards. And then before I had a chance to talk to Jamison, PJ went ahead and asked the wife in front of Jamison about us doing the podcast. And Pete and then uh Jameson looked, and he just looked sad, like y'all left me out. He was like, Definitely sad, like camera on me, camera on me, camera on me. He looked real sad and he was like, I like podcasts too. And I was just like, Oh, I'm I'm sorry, bro. Like, and then he handled it incredibly well. Like you can see the hurt in his eyes, and you know, and then he came back later, like, hey man, if y'all just need some photos or something, man, I'd be I'd love to help y'all with it. So he handled it incredibly well.

SPEAKER_05

Camera on me, camera over there, camera over there. I heard my brother's trying to do something, and I was just trying to be supportive. I I I heard them talking, I'm like, you know what, man, that's awesome. I was like, you know, if y'all need anything, promotional photos, I'm trying to get some money out of y'all. I ain't gonna lie. You know what I'm saying? Whatever y'all need, y'all got cameras and still y'all let me know. I'm here to help. And that's what I was trying to do. And then y'all like, oh, it's not complete without the camera. So we gotta we was talking about getting you on anyway, bro. We just didn't know that you would be with me. I went to school and I walked 15 miles with no shoes. Well, what nobody for you? We're grateful to have you. Yeah, yeah, I know the truth.

SPEAKER_03

But we ain't nobody coming for you, Otis. But but it but but the dope thing, I think there's such a unique, um, such a unique connection because we're we're so different yet similar, like different gifts, different skill sets, different platforms, but this works. So, like, why do y'all think that our dynamic, this chemistry works for for this podcast?

SPEAKER_05

I was telling Chris the other day, man, I was like, I think it's so cool how all three of us have our relationship, but we each have a relationship with each other. Like, me and him, we both got the music thing going on, and he and he uh he also uh has a camera as well, and he's trying to get into the photography thing. So we just naturally kind of, you know, was connecting. And then with you, we both PKs. Yep, you know, I'm like, so we we just instantly connected because we know all about both born in church, raised in church, know about their life. Um, and then y'all are both see, I'm I'm the I don't want to say the weakest thing, but when it comes to speaking, like they can speak and you can you y'all good with words. I uh I just take pictures and sing. Like, I'm not gonna appreciate that breath. So it's just we all have our own individual things, but you know, we all when it all comes together, it just works. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I same, I mean, I'm be echoing the same thing, but like he just said this yesterday. It's crazy how like we can just have a natural conversation, but we just had the conversation the day before, like almost every time. But it's just a unique connection. We all have our individual gifts that we bring to the table. And I think the other thing is we're even though we're very different in a lot of ways, we're so much more alike than we are different. You know what I mean? And we wouldn't have known that without coming together with Powerhouse, without being able to spend so much time together. It it literally gave us the opportunity to build an organic relationship. Yeah. And now we, you know, we come together. I mean, we we in the church, we just we just get the cracking jokes all day. It's a little group chat that be going on. As soon as somebody says something, an inappropriate joke and the most inopportune time is gonna come. Absolutely, and you know who it was gonna come from, James.

SPEAKER_04

James, for sure.

SPEAKER_02

100%. And then we laugh about it and we just have a good time. So it's just a it's just a beautiful thing how it came together. Um, yeah, I as you can see, we naturally just the chemistry is off the charts right now, and it just it only made sense. It it feels like I ain't trying to be overly religious and nothing like that, but it feels like this was like destined to happen. Like a God thing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. That being said, and I I'm curious y'all's thoughts, because I because I I have thoughts, uh, because anytime there's chemistry, there's also the potential for conflict. Like I'm a I'm a huge Laker fan, love Shaq, love Kobe. They split up, right? As as great as the dynamic was, there was a moment where I guess they figured out it wasn't gonna work. So for for me, and I guess my question is, has there been or was there a moment where it was like, I don't know if this is gonna work? Because I know for me, and this is I guess my own character flaw, I get in my head about doing stuff that feels big, whether that is starting a business or writing a book or whatever the case may be, because you kind of get in your head and like, is it actually gonna work? Will will people like it? Will I like it? Yeah, and I told you I was like, I'm great at thinking through like how it could look, what's the what's the rollout and planning it? And then I get that analysis paralysis where then I kind of start to get in my own head about what about this and what about this, and what about cost, and will it work? And when you actually so for me, like there was a moment where I was like, man, I don't know, I don't know if this is not that it can't work, but but will it work? Well what what's the you know, and it's real easy to be like, there's something that's gonna happen. Like anytime you're you're attempting to do something great, there's always something that happens. Was there a moment where y'all thought that maybe this wouldn't happen or it wouldn't come together, or or maybe you almost backed out?

SPEAKER_05

Uh no. Uh I was just excited to to do hoodress stuff for my friends. Uh and that's the kind of podcast that's gonna be. You know, if it blows up, great, if not, but I'm just I'm just here for like I'm here for the vibes, bro. I'm gonna have a good time.

SPEAKER_03

He said, I'm here for a good time, not a little time.

SPEAKER_05

If and if it blows up and it becomes this massive thing, great. But um, no, I I prayed for brotherhood years ago because uh marriage first starting out was tough for me because I had a lot of female friends and it just that didn't mix, and so I'm like, well, God, I'm losing female friends, at least replace them with some brothers. And slowly over the years, he started to do that.

SPEAKER_02

So while I'm here for me, not at all. Um I I've been waiting on the right moment to do something. I knew God had been uh pulling at me to do something, which is why I started just buying stuff and investing in little purchases here. Um, you know, and my wife's looking at me crazy, like that that look expensive. What we doing? And I I say it like, hey, as long as I'm doing my part, I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_03

He's saying that real tough.

SPEAKER_02

I know she can hear she I'm pretty sure she heard it. I was just joking. I'm just playing. We're gonna take that out, edit that out. But anyway, absolutely. And when you see somebody in the comments, but no, in all seriousness, um, I I felt like I was being pulled to do something, and I was just waiting on the right timing. And right now, it feels like no better time than right now. Like this feels like a moment. And in just connecting with y'all, like, again, I've been praying for brotherhood, some some brothers that I can connect with. That's why I was so excited about doing Powerhouse. Because everything that I wanted, I got out of it. I think that's why I was so emotional when we graduated. It was just like, it was like, man, this is this is what I've been wanting. This is what I've been yearning for a long time, my entire adult life. Like, once I got done with college, you know, everybody kind of move on and live their life. And you you have people that you associate with at work, but I ain't really friends with people that I work with. You know what I mean? You know, you kind of got this wall up, and I don't have a wall with y'all. I can be real, authentic, I can be myself. I don't have to really hold back. And if I need to pull a chair, I know I can, you know, come to y'all if I have to, you know what I'm saying? We and I feel like we all can be that for each other. Okay. You know what I mean? And so when it comes to this, it's more like a passion project. It's nothing like again, if it happens, if if God has something.

SPEAKER_04

That's a great way.

SPEAKER_02

If God has something grand for this, great. But this is more therapeutic than anything. This is really much of a continuation of what Powerhouse was for us. And so we continue the the relationship, we continue to cultivate and build it. Now we've been to we've all been to each other's houses. You know what I mean? We've we we've gotten closer to each other's wives and got connected, you know what I'm saying? We around each other's children, like it's much our the relationship is much deeper than the surface level. And so I mean, most things, projects like this, people get into it. If they get into it for money, usually it breaks up and falls out because of money. Yeah, that's really I'm not worried about money. Like, you know what I'm saying? If it happens, if and when it happens, and preferably it does, awesome. We just gonna split it and it's cool, you know what I'm saying? So as long as we got an understanding of whatever it is, then I I don't I just don't see any issues. I'm sure like if every now and then we might get into it. Uh he might cross somebody might cross the line with a joke or something, you know. All right, all right, bro. You know what I'm saying, chill, but too many pauses or whatever. Hey, hey bro, I'm serious right now. Right. But like I just don't, I just don't see it. Um that being said, obviously we have to protect and cultivate what we're building, but um no, I just I don't see I just don't see it. Not the way we we are. I think that as long as we continue, especially with us wanting to have, like me and you've been prayerfully having these this type of relationship for a long time. No, I'm gonna protect that. You know what I'm saying? And so I don't see, I think anything that could be a problem, we're just gonna handle it, nip it in the butt, and I don't, I don't think it's gonna blow up.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I think it's important when when there's no pressure to perform, yeah, it makes passion and purpose possible. So this this podcast kind of feels like hit the P3s with P3. So so truthfully, because I I heard you say brotherhood, I heard you say brotherhood, like this feels just like the overflow, the opportunity that was connected to relationship. And so um, so that's that's that's dope because I feel like a lot of podcasts, and I think this is gonna make our podcast different. And so if you're looking for a reason, like why, why tap in with us, why stick around for what we have to say? Because a lot of people create podcasts because they think they have something to say. Um this really is just an extension of who we were created and purposed to be, right? Um and I think it's gonna make for some incredible dialogue, some some hilarious moments, um some purposeful moments, some reflective moments, and so um, so we came up with his name, you know, P3 Parables Playlist Perspectives. Um your playlists, your perspectives on parables, but like I I want to take a minute to kind of kind of speak to like the individual monikers. So if we're coming to you, perspectives, like we know that Jamison Ray is like the man behind the camera, the man that that that has a lens that can capture the shot. But what for you specifically, what does perspectives actually mean to what you are hoping to bring to our discussions, this podcast?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, so the reason I'm excited about the podcast, man, is because I've been afraid, especially in this politically charged uh environment that we have, I don't make a whole you don't see me making a whole lot of posts out here where I just tell you what I'm thinking. And you know what I'm saying? Cause I tend to have you know, I I don't tend to go with the majority, so I tend to have a different perspective. And so I don't think you can really have perspective without having understanding. You know, and so I think that I can I I'm really good at understanding both sides when it comes to a lot of different things. And uh I'll play devil's devil's advocate all day long. Just because I want to make you think, and I want you, I want you to get you to think about the other side. So that's that's what it means to me.

SPEAKER_03

So so so with that, because I because that's going that's going to lead to I think some very interesting comment sections. I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I think it's definitely gonna lead to that. Hey bro, I'm nervous.

SPEAKER_03

But what what he's saying on life? Don't don't you were scared, wouldn't you? Don't be scared. Don't be scared. Don't be scared. He was a scared. So as someone that is skilled at being able to see what other people see and also not see what other people see, um, why does the same moment look completely different from the same angle for you? So, like how is it because you said I like I can I have an ability to see things from both sides. So, why is that for you something that is important to to kind of bring to discussions?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, so I am very people don't understand, I'm very open to having my mind changed to a lot of stuff, and I think people aren't willing to do that. And I I tell people, if you've I'll give you the opportunity to try to change my mind. Yeah. Because here's the thing, we all three of us, like you said, we have a lot in common, right? But we all three live three totally, completely different lives. And so if we all live different lives, we would all have different perspectives because you're coming from somebody who, you know, is coming from a uh you've you've been in a previous relationship before. Your perspective on relationships is completely different than mine. Like this is my first wife, my first show. Like it's it's a completely different perspective. So why would we think exactly alike? You know, so and that doesn't make me wrong or you right, it just makes us different. And I think people need to understand it, especially today.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Uh and I and I'm sure like being in photography, having a camera has like amplified and heightened that. So like when you when you kind of take that skill and even apply it to what you do with photography, like how has being a photographer or or like seeing the world and then also seeing how it looks behind the lens, like how how has that shaped your perspective and how you view the world?

SPEAKER_05

Uh yeah, being a photographer completely changed the way I view the world because I don't know, I'm always looking for number one, I look at the lighting in the room anytime I walk in. So because 90% of photography really is lighting. If you don't understand lighting, then you you pretty much lost the game and you just crazy because it talks about us being the light of the world. See. We're gonna find a way to bring it back. Yeah, man. But it just makes you know, I look at color, I look at, I don't know, it just really does I it's so really funny to. Quick story. Like, I've spent time, like, so much time editing and trying to get colors right that I spent so much time looking at the computer, I actually like gotten like nauseous because trying to get colors right, it's actually a thing.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Um, but yeah, like so it's just it really just changes the way you look at the world. And I when I get to heaven, bro, just I'll tell you, it even it's definitely changed the way I even look at heaven because I feel like there's new things we're gonna experience, and I really can't I can't wait to experience like new colors. You know what I'm saying? I feel like there's gonna be like new colors when we get to heaven. Wow. And if I could take a picture of that, that'd be cool too. If I could take a picture of heaven, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_03

That was fire, bro. I ain't gonna hold you.

SPEAKER_04

That was that was tough.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. So we got perspectives, we got playlists. Yeah, right. And so I think um, of course, we know you you do music, you're an incredible artist. Um and if you don't know who Chris Cadence Jones is, y'all need to tap in with him on Spotify, Apple Music, all of the platforms. Um that another level. You you go hear that a lot in a lot of our content.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, but how does playlists differ from because you're not music, you're playlists. So when you think about just you as playlists, what are you planning to bring to the podcast from that playlist angle?

SPEAKER_02

Um Well, with playlists, playlists is different from like just listening to an album, right? Like you have an opportunity to curate the mood, whatever, the vibe you're trying to go for. And so, you know, when I made my project on another level now, go stream that, go get that. Um, I wanted to make something that could be the soundtrack to your life. And I was very, very real and authentic and intentional when I created it. Um and so with this podcast, um, I had a vision to create a platform um that could be able to showcase and help curate the soundtrack to other people's lives. You know what I mean? And so um and that's and that's even greater than just music. That can happen even in conversation, even in this podcast. People can put it on, turn it on on Tuesday mornings, first thing in the morning, and route on their way to work and be able to listen to it, and then we can be able to help shape and mold some of their perspectives. We can be able to expound upon several things. So um, I think it's it's you know greater than just music in and of itself. It's a it's a life thing. You know what I mean? And um, you know, I just wanted to be able to make create music that can positively impact people and give them a different perspective. Um, and some just outside of the box, outside of what we typically do. I I don't like just listening. I love traditional church music, but you know, like I said before, I I don't I don't always when growing up, I always had to listen to Mississippi Mass Choir. Oh, not the Mass. And I just I just didn't want to hear that all the time. I wanted something with some 801. It's cool. And listen, I'm not, I'm listening shout out to them. Shout out, shout out to the pillars. It's absolutely dope, but I just wanted to just make more, you know, make something a little bit more progressive, something that I could work out to, you know. So I'm very much in the fitness. I can't, I can't, you know, just with the mass choir and I'm on the bench with 315. You can't get your Mac and Fred Hammond. Nah, nah. A couple of songs. I can't do that, bro. I can't cool, bro. So, you know, something that's just gonna get me in the in the in the zone. And um, you know, I just love to create and again, I love to make a positive impact on people, and I think that this is the perfect opportunity with this podcast to help um once again be the soundtrack to somebody's life.

SPEAKER_01

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SPEAKER_00

Um, and trying to make every day as special as it can be. Um, and feeling like it can truly capture that.

SPEAKER_07

We had, and we're so blessed to be able to have it all forgotten for the rest of our our our marriage.

SPEAKER_03

So I I I love that answer, and what I would then ask you, because you could have Yolanda Adams and Lil Wayne on the same playlist. So, what do you think a playlist tells us about a person? Or what does your playlist tell us about you?

SPEAKER_02

Um I think that you know playlists mine personally has a whole lot of oh, I got a bunch of different playlists. We'll just say that. Um, but they can vary in range. I got I got some Christian RB stuff, I got some Christian hip-hop, I got regular hip-hop, you know what I mean? Like, or traditional contemporary gospel music, you know what I mean? Um, so it just I think it kind of uh shows the layers to a person, the depths of a person, the different range of what you what you like and what you enjoy. And so I can be, you know, I could be on some bone crusher slash or another level, you know what I mean? Like where you just another like you going, you coming from the depths of your soul when I was in the studio, another level, you know what I mean? So you can really feel it because it's a certain energy that I'm looking for, especially if I'm trying to go for a PR in a gym or something. Or sometimes I might throw on real good when I just want to just feel good, you know what I'm saying? Shameless plug, by the way. Go get that. Uh, but yeah, so or or some Kirk Franklin, like whatever it is, um, you know, it's it's a lot to me. I'm not just one thing, you know what I mean? And so it just depends on how I'm feeling, or whoever said person is that's listening to whatever, or curating that particular playlist. So um playlists can can speak to a lot, you know what I mean, in terms of who somebody is, what they're into, uh, what their vibe is that they're setting. You know what I mean? Whenever we used to have, when I played football back in the day, we have some, it was it was the little John, that crunk music. You know what I'm saying? That was it, that was a different era, you know what I'm saying? Y'all these kids today will never be.

SPEAKER_03

They could not handle the club version of going to the club with Lil John, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Automatic fight. So yeah, so I mean to answer your question, yeah, it just it shows the depths of who whoever that person is, you know what I mean? And so I like to I like like I said, I like to make music or kind of curate the soundtrack to people's lives.

SPEAKER_03

So I love that. Curate the soundtrack to people's lives. And because I because I think music has a way of of crossing ethnicities, it has a way of crossing nationalities. It's it's almost like a universal language that everybody speaks right in. And you said something about you know, the playlist can kind of connect to to what someone is feeling in a particular moment. And so what do you think it is about music that moves people or inspires people, or particularly for you, like you know, what is it about music that you use it as a tool, an instrument to uplift, motivate, inspire?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um once again, I think you said it earlier. It's music is the universal language, you know what I mean? You might not be able to understand the words somebody's saying. Case in point, the Super Bowl. I ain't know what Bad Bunny was saying, but you know what? It was objectively good music. It felt good. He had an amazing message, you know, within, you know, entrenched within his Super Bowl performance. Um, and it's just I mean, you you you you know good music when you hear it. You can feel it, you know what I'm saying? Especially like the old school music back in the day. You know what I mean? Them old school RB singers, they they what what came from the heart went to the heart. They were singing passionately about they baby that look at them, look at them old school songs from the 90s, you know what I'm saying? Boys to men, they them boys were simple now for them women, but they was for the third grade going through it. I just didn't care. I need you to come back to me, but you felt it though. Yeah, I was nine years old thinking Blackstreet talking about don't why don't don't don't don't don't don't going through it, you know what I'm saying? So like it's you can feel it, you know what I mean? And even, I mean, you know, you think about that. Think about what you said, nine years old. We don't understand what life is at all, but you felt it. You felt something, yeah. You feel something, and that's the beautiful thing about music. It makes you good music, objectively good music, makes you feel something, even if you don't even understand the words, you know what I mean? So that's why I just love it. You can have music from different nationalities, different ethnic backgrounds, whatever. You know, if you go wherever and you you you in Hawaii or you in Jamaica, it's just a yeah mine. You just you know what I mean? Like, and so it just feels good. And so I love how that that energy transfers. And so, you know, that's why I personally like making music because I want to positively impact people. I like making music that's going to, you know, inspire people to do better, be better, try to be the best version of themselves, motivate people and then pull them in a push and pull them in a positive direction so that at the end of it, if you don't get nothing else from it, you're gonna get a positive message that's gonna push you to be better than you were the next day. That's dope.

SPEAKER_05

I got a question. What's subjectively good music? What do you mean by objectively?

SPEAKER_02

Something to sound good, you know what I'm saying? I mean, listen, it's a lot, it's a lot of music. I'm gonna be honest with it's a lot of mid music.

SPEAKER_05

It's extremely subjective. It's hard.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like it's hard to find good music. And maybe again, I'm not playlist. I have a different perspective. I was about to say, as that's my I know y'all, I know y'all are both, you know, deep in the music game. My wife is too. Shout out to Shan. Yeah, we do. Um, but it's it's hard to connect to the music that is being created now. And I don't know if that's because of how it's packaged or how it's distributed. Like, I don't know, but I like that question. Like, it's what is good music?

SPEAKER_02

It's it's I think well, the reason why wait.

SPEAKER_05

No, so I just I just was wondering the objective part because like some music is extremely subjective. Something that sounds good to me could sound awful to you. Like, well, yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I that that's the perspective in me after.

SPEAKER_02

Well, when I say okay, so to answer you, to thank you for c for that clarity. I think objectively good music is something that people universally deem as good. So pop.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, that's such a broad thing. Who's an objectively good artist? MJ?

SPEAKER_05

MJ. Yeah. He's the most object, yeah, but he's also the king of pop. King of pop. You know, Stevie Wonder.

SPEAKER_03

But people are divided about Beyonce. I've heard more Beyonce discourse from like people that are like, nah, I don't really rock with Beyonce like that. But I think it would be easy for somebody to be like, oh no, like Beyonce's objectively a great artist. And it doesn't seem that way. It seemed like it may be more subjective. Please, I don't want no issues. None of that. I don't care one way or the other. I'm not, yeah, I'm not moved. But again, she's not on my playlist.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So Yeah, I mean, you you're not the target audience. So, you know what I mean? But that's fair. Um, you know, it's it's to answer or to get a little further in that, not to get too deep into it. I think that there's such a low, there's no barrier to entry. Before back in the day, you used to have to save your money up, go to the studio. You had to get signed. Now anybody can grab a beat, rip it off of YouTube or whatever. You know, if they got a dog, enter it in there and then just create. And like there's no true artist development now. What they do is a label to get behind somebody that has catches a wave and goes viral. And now they see because artists virality, they see opportunity to monetize that. And so it's so it's difficult to actually make money in music, and so the labels aren't really willing to invest. They used to invest to take time, you know. Beyonce started with Destiny's Child, and then they grew and developed, and then she became what she ultimately became. You know what I mean? But you know, they had systems in place, and now it's just kind of it's kind of a free-for-all. So it's a lot more people creating, a lot less talented people creating, not to be the old man to sound, you know, but that's why you hear so much, and it's I don't want to say oversaturated, even though it is, but you just hear a lot of just it's the wild, wild west. You hear a whole lot of stuff, and it's not really, you know, radio used to kind of program us to oh, this is this is what's hot. Now everybody has their own.

SPEAKER_03

I even remember the last time I've listened to the radio.

SPEAKER_02

So times have changed, man. Times have changed for sure. But uh, once again, to bring it back, you know, music is the universal language. Uh, you know, I like to create playlists to help cure, like I said, curate the soundtrack to your life. Um, and I think this platform that we've created together um will be able to help do that.

SPEAKER_03

You know, we got perspectives, we got playlists.

SPEAKER_05

Come on, bishop.

SPEAKER_02

And we got parables. We got parables. So turn the neighbor. So, so, so parables.

SPEAKER_03

Why parables? So, I mean, I think it would be easy to to kind of point to you know, preacher, speaker, uh, but for me, I mean, it kind of starts with understanding what what a parable actually is. It's it is taking a a story that uses something familiar to convey or speak something deeper. Right. And so um I've always loved parables. I love how Jesus uses parables, he would take something that people would understand in their time, a a farmer planting a seed, or a shepherd looking for sheep, or there was a man that had two sons, right? So he would he would take something that people understood and then reveal something deeper to help them see something that they currently didn't see. And so I think for me, I naturally gravitate to this idea of parables or or storytelling because I think that is the way that people connect. I think that's the way that people um move from information to transformation or information to revelation. Um, because I think there's a ton of information. I know you were just talking about the world in which we live in. We're inundated, we're saturated, which is more information than we know what to do with. You got Google, you got AI, Chat GPT, Copilot, oh yeah, there is there's an endless amount of information. But what are we doing with it? And so for me, I think uh Parables really gives me an opportunity to connect to something deeper and say, Yes, you see this information, but what what are you possibly missing? Who who could you become if you saw this differently, if you saw this principle differently, if you saw yourself differently. Um and a lot of that is often rooted in story. So so I love being able to connect stories to what people know, what they feel, what's what's relevant, what's real, and then help them see themselves better, see God better, see their future better. So that was kind of where parables came from for me.

SPEAKER_02

So, like when you say parable, I love that answer by the way. So when you say parables and you talk about that, does that mean everything you say is gonna be something spiritual?

SPEAKER_03

I think that's the because you see here we're talking about come on, bishop. Like I that's clearly Apostle Bishop Pastor, the right reverend. And you can miss me with titles. Like I am, I'm one that that hates that we live in title culture. Everybody needs uh a title or a platform to walk in purpose, could care less. Uh, but no, I I am I am just as silly as I am spiritual, right? And and and I think I think that's intentional, right? I think people need to know that you can be Christian and have fun, that your your story has a a past and a present and a future. If and and maybe this is something that we'll talk about on a future episode, but the people who knew me back in college when I was in UNT wouldn't understand parables because there was no parables when I was at Peabody's, you know what I'm saying? Back off 380. Shout out to all of the times we had in Denton. Y'all know who y'all are. Uh we called we call ourselves Club Vic, right? So that I mean it was so for me, I think it's not about being spiritual. It is, it's it's who I am. But Paul also said, I become all things to all men, that I could save a few. Yeah, right. And so so no, it's not about being spiritual, but it is about being able to help people see that there is the possibility for for a spiritual moment to exist in in everyday life.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So I'm gonna put you on the spot.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. All right. Give us a parable right now. Some completely ordinary. What you what you got?

SPEAKER_03

So y'all didn't y'all didn't get the child. We didn't we didn't tell you to grab your camera and and take a take a picture for you to bust a fridge. I'm sure you could. I'm sure you could. What you got? What you got? Um let's see. I was cleaning out the fridge a couple days ago. Um, and my son is here. He could he could attest to this because I uh we literally talked about this. There was a carton of milk that was expired. Slightly expired. Um but I said, when you see this milk, what what what is it about this milk that's this different? He's like, oh, that's it's expired. I said, that's interesting because it's in the environment that it was actually supposed to be in. It's in the fridge. But now it's not good. Oftentimes we can think just because we're in the right environment, that we're doing the right thing all the while. If you're sitting and not being used, if you sit too long, your gift, the thing that people need from you, the thing that is required of you can spoil and never be used. And so I spend money, I paid for for milk that never got used, not because it did anything bad, not because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but simply because it sat too long. And so, how many people are that milk where you're sitting on things, sitting with things in you that nobody is actually getting a chance to actually utilize? Because you just you comfortable, you in the fridge. So this is your moment to get out the fridge so you don't spoil and get expired. As it gets to the spoiler.

SPEAKER_05

I cannot stand it. I can't stand it. I don't know why. And that's a parable. Okay, bro, that was the parable of the spoiled man. I've heard I've heard the pastors do this for like years, man. It's so funny because I remember one dude, he was preaching his life. Man, I went to he was like, I went to get my organ hollow and everything like, and I went to use the bathroom. After I was in there, I washed my hands after I got done. And then he was like, after my hands were wet, I realized I needed a paper towel. So I proceeded to walk over to the paper towel machine. But what I realized is that there was a dilemma. What was the dilemma you might have? I couldn't get the paper towels out. What I had to realize is that in order to get the paper towel out, I had to lift my hand.

SPEAKER_06

You can't get your lips without lifting it, bro.

SPEAKER_05

I'm lying, bro. Like a servant out of anything. Out of anything.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Out of anything. No, that was that was very impressive. That was very impressive. But again, to that to that point, like those moments like that, I'm over here crying, laughing. Moments like that are is exactly why I was like, you know what? I have to be able to do this podcast with this brother right here because he brilliantly navigates conversations in real time on the spot. It could be unrehearsed. I've seen you, I've witnessed you during Wednesday night Bible study called Thrive. Make sure you pull up at Believer City Church and you you navigate these conversations. And somebody asks an off-a-wall question, or somebody will think that they're saying something that's congruent with what the lesson is, and it'll be just off, and you like, and you, but you'll you won't make them feel bad. You won't, you just do it in the right way. And I'm like, that is not my gift, because I'd be like, I don't know about that one. Uh next, you know what I'm saying? Like, wrong. So, like, you just have an up and an incredible ability um to brilliantly navigate conversations, but circle it back, bring it full circle, give you book, chapter, and verse in real time, and be able to ultimately glorify God and help people feel better and get a better, just uh you one thing you said from concept to clarity. You always bring clarity to something in a very unique way, a skillful way. So um, you know, so I I I really appreciate it. And once again, that's why I wanted to, that's why I came to you like, man, you gonna do this podcast? You you cool with that?

SPEAKER_03

And and that is why we are parables, playlists, and perspectives, and being able to. To take a situation, a story, a topic, see it from three different angles, um, and give you something dope. And so um I'm sure people are are wanting to know, like they know a little bit about who we are, how we got started. What are they going to get when they tune in? I know, you know, we say often that this is a podcast that sits at the intersection of Christ and culture, little hood, little holy. Um but what is that what does that mean for somebody that's gonna be locked in with us? What are they what are they gonna get from your perspective?

SPEAKER_02

Um I one thing I always used to say when I first started doing music, Christian rap in particular, like it's meant to be entertaining, but it's not just entertainment. And so I think that that's another thing that they're gonna get. Like it's gonna be entertaining because we're gonna be us, we real silly, we goofy, but we can also have a heavy conversation and be able to help people navigate certain things. Um I think that was the beauty of what we discovered inside of Powerhouse and the continuation of it. And um, once again, like we gonna we gonna have fun. Like we're coming together like this for me. Outside of whatever success that could come of it, I don't care about that. What I care about is how therapeutic this feels, how good it actually feels. And I want people that are listening to feel like they just a fly on the wall listening in a room. They listen to a couple of homeboys having an amazing conversation that's gonna help draw them closer to Christ ultimately, and it's gonna be done in a fun, entertaining way.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Um, yeah, I think for me it's uh follow me as I follow Christ's moment. And I mean that in a different way than I feel like most people do. Like I this is a safe space for me to. I feel like the world, uh the way I present myself in the world is kind of how like I have it all figured out and I know what I'm doing and whatever. And I'm just here to tell y'all I don't. Like I just, you know what I'm saying? Like and I I I don't, and I'm but you can come on this journey with me as I figure it out because uh, you know, there's somebody out there that might not have it figured out together, you know. And you know, like I said, shoot my and my my perspective on some things right now might be one way in a year or two from now when we're doing the podcast, my mind might have changed, you know what I'm saying? But you get to get on that journey with me, yeah. So that's what you finna get.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I and I think for me, um, I'm always intrigued by this idea of the the life that Jesus led. I I wonder what it would look like if Jesus and the disciples had a podcast. Right? Because again, he was in so many environments where the the the people of that day didn't expect him to be. Um, and so for me, I think one of the important things that hopefully we are able to do is is create a space for conversations that should exist inside of church that are either too taboo, too, yeah uh too real, too raw to actually give voice to the confusion, the frustrations uh that people are actually navigating. Yeah, right. Should a Christian cuss? You know, what what what are what what about people that end up having sex outside of marriage? You know, is the is there grace for that? You know, there's there's so many different things that I think people wish they would get answers in church from the pulpit from that you're not gonna you're not gonna get.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Because whether it's the political climate, whether it is is this a actual conversation or a topic that I can that I can actually have. So I think for me it's it's all of those things that you're saying, and diving into some potentially difficult topics that hopefully give people understanding, insight, clarity, vision, understanding, forgiveness, yeah, things that they might have been wrestling with. And so that's really what I'm I'm excited to to really dive into and give people an opportunity to listen to.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So um put your seat belts on. It's gonna be a wild one. Uh that being said, let's let's let's wrap with some some crib some quick rapid fire um questions. We'll we'll see where it goes. Okay. Um you had to choose one, hip hop or RB. It's easy for me. RB all day. Definitely RB.

SPEAKER_05

RB.

SPEAKER_03

Oh I would have thought. Another level. Okay. I would've, I would've. So why why RB? I would have thought you said hip hop.

SPEAKER_02

I love RB, bro. I've I've all like when I grew up, I I'd be I'd be doing the warmups in practice and we'd be like ready, ready to hit, everybody clap, and I bust out with a note and everybody just start laughing. Like just singing. Because I I really started out as a singer. I think rapping is an easier thing to do. You know, if you if you have if you have bars, of course, you know what I mean? It's it's easier to perform for me. Um, you know, singing, I can sing, but I don't think I'm a I ain't no singer. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's a difference. So, you know, it's it's a difference. Like when Jai Hair Jameson hitting some notes, he said he retired, but that boy being. He's not retired.

SPEAKER_03

You know what I'm saying? He's not retired.

SPEAKER_02

But you know, he he's not retired. He's he's a he's a lead. Back in my day. But don't anyway.

SPEAKER_03

But y'all stay y'all stay tuned.

SPEAKER_02

But no, I I absolutely love I love RB. Because, you know, even when I I you know I I don't want to hear the hippety hop all the time, even though I do it. I know you know how old that was.

SPEAKER_05

That's crazy. I disappointed my. You should turn your hat forward for that. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06

I want to hear that hippity top all the time. You see what you see what you're getting with the boy turned into Stanley for Friday.

SPEAKER_05

Turned into top on big ones.

SPEAKER_02

But nah, like you see what you're getting with the P3 podcast. It's gonna be like I said, it's gonna be entertaining. It's not just entertaining, but it's it's not just entertainment, but it's gonna be entertaining. Um, so make sure you subscribe, like, comment, all that. Make sure you share it with somebody, share with a friend. Um, but yeah, I just love RB music. I can listen to that. If I'm if I'm in the gym, I can listen to RB. You know what I'm saying? But if I'm trying to get super hyper crunk or something, then I'm gonna turn something super turnt, but I can listen to RB whenever.

SPEAKER_03

All right, tough one. As a husband, would you rather be right or keep the peace?

SPEAKER_04

Be right.

SPEAKER_03

No, I'm I'm I I am I am 100% again. Whatever. Keep the peace. I I I don't care about being right. You got it. Do your thing. I can I change my answer.

SPEAKER_02

Give me peace. Just keep the peace. Give me peace. But I don't think I don't think that that won't go ahead. Answer. Answer. I don't want to. He wants to be right. He just wanna be right.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah, the truth is the truth. You know, she'll set you free. Uh I gotta. I'm gonna be right.

SPEAKER_02

But at what cost? We're gonna work through it. See, I think I think trying to I think trying to keep the peace ultimately it it compromises everything in the end because you just kind of kicking the can down the road. At least in my experience, that's what I feel like.

SPEAKER_05

It kind of depends on the situation. So one thing I've learned with being married is and it's a it's an art to it. Oh you gotta you gotta tell the truth and be right, but you gotta be right in a way that makes them feel like they're right. Or, you know, so like like for example, this isn't this isn't a be right situation, but my wife And what's funny is his wife is gonna see this, and now every favorite conversation.

SPEAKER_03

This is both right right now. We both right watch this.

SPEAKER_05

We both right. Love you. We both right, yeah. We both right, you know, because we won. But no, there'd be situations in the past where, like, for example, so I my wife said she wants honesty. And I instead of proving to her like you don't want honesty, I just I found a way to be honest differently. So she'd be like breaking it down, bro. Bro, she so she would go and she'd leave out of town to go to Houston for a weekend or whatever. It's before even we had a kid. She'd just be done left the garage and she's like, Hey, she called me, hang on, too, but you miss me. And at first I would lie.

SPEAKER_06

The answer is yes.

SPEAKER_05

The first I would lie and be like, Yeah. But I didn't miss, I didn't you just left. I just saw you. He got her telling. So you just told your wife, no, I don't miss you. No, at first I I lied. So this is what I this is what I did.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, this is gonna be so.

SPEAKER_05

This is what I did. I told her this is what I tell her now, and she knows baby. I never miss you the first day. But when I wake up and you're not there, oh my heart be hurting. I'm like, where my woman at? And that's the truth. That's because the moment she I be like, I can walk around and have a nick and then do what I'm gonna do, be like, yeah. But but when I wake up, is she not there? It's just like something I'm missing. And so I was able to tell the truth. But okay, that's you cleaned that up. I didn't know where you were going with it at first, but all right.

SPEAKER_03

Listen, we want to make very clear that each individual opinion is not reflective of the group, it's reflective of that individual person. So just want to make sure we clarify that. Love or respect. What's more important for you? Respect.

SPEAKER_02

Because if you don't respect me, you don't love me.

SPEAKER_03

But if you love me, you probably respect me. Not always. Yeah, no. Not always. So you would rather you would rather have respect is a form of love, honestly. I don't know. I feel like I feel like I would rather because men and I've I heard people say this before, like, men are the only ones that that don't get unconditional love. It is very so I would rather. I would rather, I would rather give me that love. Let me feel soft. Love. See. I I figured it was gonna be one. I would I would rather know that I am loved. Because again, you were just saying that respect isn't I think respect flows from love. If you love me, you'll respect me. But I can res I can respect somebody and have no love for them. I I I res I respect you because of your position. I respect you because you gave me life, but that don't mean I love you. You've given me that's cool. So that that would that would just, that's that's just that's just my thing, though.

SPEAKER_02

But if you disrespect me, there wasn't no love to begin with. And now I'm ready to, now I'm ready to uh, yeah. If I feel disrespected, I'm you know what I'm saying? Like it's gonna go, it's gonna go there.

SPEAKER_04

I think I'm gonna go with respect. Yeah, I'm going with respect. He means that look at his eyes. I've been I was thinking about it very deeply.

SPEAKER_02

Don't disrespect me, bruh.

SPEAKER_05

Um yeah, yes, as a man, you know, it's some stuff we can't, I don't think we can come back.

SPEAKER_02

Can't come back from disrespect, bruh. But we're gonna have to have to have a conversation. As Carmelo Anthony would say, we can have to have a conversation.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, come to Jesus' leave.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

Um because I think the respect piece is tied to the submission piece. Um because I think a woman won't submit to a man because she doesn't respect right. And so biblically, like, I don't if I'm not wrong, parables, tell me if I'm wrong. But are are women, does the Bible say that the woman has to love the man? I know it says we have to love her, but I don't know if she was ever commanded to love us.

SPEAKER_02

They need the respect, and I think the the the respect will feel like love ultimately because they will submit, but only to what they feel or they they have that trust and they feel honored as PC was breaking down. You know, so like we need, I believe as men, we need the respect, they need that love.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, for sure. Because it forget synagristics. My daughter, I love my daughter, and my daughter, her love, it's important to me, but it doesn't mean as much to me right now. I need her to respect my voice. Hey, when I tell you not to touch that stove, don't touch that stove. But daddy, I love you, but don't touch that stove. Yeah, I need you to respect what I'm telling you because it's for your safety. 100%.

SPEAKER_02

Now, Aiden, he don't respect me. Aiden don't respect me. It's cool. I love you. I love you, Aiden. Camera on me. Aiden, get it together, man. I need some respect, bro. I love you, but I need some respect.

SPEAKER_03

I'll say this and I'll ask the next question. Yeah. The greatest commandment is what? Love. Love. Love God, love others.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Not respect God and respect others. I'll leave it at that.

SPEAKER_02

Bro, I ain't even about to hit you with it. Next question.

SPEAKER_03

I hate you, bro. I hate me too. That being said. I respect you, though. Old Testament or New Testament?

SPEAKER_05

Uh new.

SPEAKER_03

Look, he was like, uh both. Yeah, right, both.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, right. But yeah, no.

SPEAKER_03

You said you're going new? I'm going new.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I like the old.

SPEAKER_05

I do like the old. But no, I don't get me wrong. I think like, yes, the old isn't is extremely important. I I actually like the old. My favorite book in the Bible, honestly, is probably Ecclesiastes. Um, I just I'm a poetry guy. The books of poetry I just lean towards those books. So um, but Jesus is, you know, the New Testament. I think you know, Romans is super important for like I think as far as how to live, I mean Proverbs helps with that, but I think you, you know Pauline epistles are pretty important, you know, in in the the Gospels. Uh if I had to choose, you know what I'm saying? I I I gotta choose the New Testament.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. And I I clearly parables, I like the New Testament where you get parables, but the the storytelling that you're able to get from the Old Testament and the way in which people often overlook grace in judgment or or or grace in the Old Testament is very interesting to me. So um you going to the movies or are you rocking with Netflix? Oh, that's easy for me.

SPEAKER_05

Movies. I'm Netflix. Movies? How dare you? It's a totally different experience. I was about to say, bro, you tripping.

SPEAKER_03

It's an experience. I'm trying to Netflix and chill. I'm I'm trying to have quick transitions. I'm picking up what you're putting down. I'm trying, I'm trying to hit pause in the middle of the show.

SPEAKER_02

I'm thinking of what you're putting down. Absolutely. But if I'm watching, if all right, bro, I get you have an agenda, okay? Absolutely. So no, I'm I'm rolling with your agenda, but if you're if you're talking about the movie, if I'm the experience of a movie is free.

SPEAKER_05

In a vacuum, bro.

SPEAKER_02

Like which one and Netflix is free.

SPEAKER_03

I've already paid for it. But it ain't free because you're paying for it.

SPEAKER_05

So it's literally not free.

SPEAKER_03

But you're paying to go out to the movie. And and and the movie is not just the movie, it's it's popcorn, it's it's the drink, it's it's the candy.

SPEAKER_05

But you know what though? You're right, it's not just the movie. If I could get an like what not most movies are 90 minutes to two and a half hours, I get two and a half hours of uninterrupted time where it's just me. I'm just solely focused on something else while while not doing anything else. Like when I have to watch a movie, like when I miss something at the theaters and I have to watch it at home, I'm not immersed. Like I get a text message or something, like I'm not giving the movie my all. And so it's a it's a much better experience when you're in a theatre.

SPEAKER_02

You gotta use the restroom, you're gonna hold it because you know this part, like when the new Avengers drop, there's no I'm I'm like, I can't wait for that. Yep, I've been waiting for it since Infinity War and Endgame. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

Like you a Marvel head, bro?

SPEAKER_02

Not really. Real well, I didn't after that I stopped. I was not sure. You're gonna be confused. We'll talk about that later. No, I'm about I'm I'm definitely about to binge okay.

SPEAKER_03

So so that said because clearly he's I'm a movie here. I love it. What best Marvel character? Oh, for me, Iron Man.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I want to say something different, but yeah. It's uh it's Iron Man for me. Uh so why not Spider-Man? It seemed like Spider-Man here's a new Spider-Man just came out, bro. And I haven't seen it yet, so and there's people that's watching that. I'm not gonna spoil it for you. Thank you. I'm not gonna spoil it. No, no, no. I think it's good.

SPEAKER_05

I think it's good. I am a tough, I am a very harsh critic. Um because I heard nothing but great things. It's it's good, it's really good. It's solid. The reason why people like this one so much, and this is not a spoiler, it's just a little bit of context. People just like to see their Spider-Man depressed and sad. Why do y'all like to see y'all superheroes so sad and depressed? Because they want them human to be able to connect with them. I don't understand. I I get it, man. But I just heard about it. Like Iron Man. That's what I like about Iron Man, bro. He has fun being Iron Man. I'm gonna make some suits, I'm gonna be a butt. Like, I like it's just that's human too, bro. Yeah, bro. Like they just don't all have to be sad all the time, bro. Yeah, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_03

Best album of all time. Or in your opinion, let's do that because again, subjective.

SPEAKER_05

That's a that's a push for me.

SPEAKER_03

Any genre? Any genre. What's what's what is your favorite album? That's tough.

SPEAKER_05

Like three different times.

SPEAKER_02

It has to be Lauren Hill, Miss Education Lauren Hill. I absolutely love that album, bro. Start to finish, I love it. There's a couple I can do without, but I can let that breathe whenever I put it on. And I just I just love that. I love the messaging inside of her music. She gives music with a message. She can rap and sing like crazy. The production was incredible. You know what I mean? It's one of those joints that still resonates and it's like 25, 26 years old. When that can't that's almost 30 years old, yeah. Like, and so you you put it on, and it all can be so simple, but you rather make it uh like what she killed that, bro. It's it's crazy. Crazy album.

SPEAKER_03

You had to give us a little give us a little bit. You wouldn't be playlist if he didn't use a little bit. That's true. Minus Carter 3, no skips.

unknown

Great album.

SPEAKER_03

And then Jamie Foxx Unpredictable Album. Jamie Foxx Unpredictable Album. Oh I'm rocking. I'm rocking. No skips. Yeah, oh no skips.

SPEAKER_05

Oh no skips. No skips on that one. I don't have a favorite. I can't do that. It's like choosing one of my kids. Um you have to choose one. You have to. You have to. I'll I'll I will say this instead. Um, an album I can't live without. Fred Hammond's free to worship. Great one.

SPEAKER_03

But I'm bitching. I love that album. I'm bitching.

SPEAKER_05

That's because you two are heathens, doesn't mean they even make gospel or CCM albums.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like people just drop songs now.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, they still make it.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Travis Green Church has put out one I've been listening to. Um, I love new music. New music is my thing, actually. So um, but it's another honorable mention for me though, too. Uh Michael Jackson's Off the Wall. That album. I love that album. Great album. But but yeah, but yeah, they still make they still making gospel music. It's just it's different. It's just a lot. Gospel music doesn't have an identity right now.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so then let's end with this. End with this. Gospel or CCM? Oh, gospel. Gospel. You going gospel? I feel like being contrary. Like I feel like saying, of course. CCM, just give me the card. No. Now here's the thing. I I love gospel. Nope. The first time, the first time that I actually cried in worship was to a CCM song. Because you soft. Shut up. No. But I think I think because and this is just my opinion, I think there that gospel always has has been more emotive, right? Like, that's why you can kind of loop the the the same only God can do it. And just keep saying the same thing over and over. You can see that for the next 15 minutes, and that's enough. With with CCM, it really is about listening to the words. The words have a lot more weight. And I think for me, I think that was that was a moment where um the song was called to stand, and and and the words were, what can I say, what can I do, but offer my heart, God, completely to you. So I'll stand with arms high and heart abandoned. Like it really was this idea of there is nothing that I can do to earn, justify what Christ did for me. And I think and I don't know, I don't know what it was about that particular moment where I was like, man, I've never been in a space and like been forced to confront the the truth of what I did.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And so I don't know, like, of course I'm rocking with gospel, grew up on gospel. And I will say, like, CCM was the genre that really forced me to say, like, hey, all you're gonna get is a little guitar. And you see what I'm saying? Like, it's it's it's not you're not gonna have the organ and the drums that's gonna make you kind of so that's the trade-off.

SPEAKER_05

That is a trade-off. That's the trade-off. You get more you know complex lyrics, but you get dumbed down music. And so I feel that.

SPEAKER_03

I feel that. Well, okay.

SPEAKER_02

Think that'll do it. Episode one. Episode one. Okay, all right. Well, this is this is we're gonna go ahead and wrap it up. Uh, this is episode one of the P3 Podcast, Parables Playlist, and Perspectus. If you're still listening, you're still tuned in, you are real, and we appreciate you. And if you're still here, please go ahead and get a subscribe, comment, subscribe, make sure you hit the bell so you get the notification each and every single time we drop. We will be dropping every single Tuesday morning. We will be available anywhere you listen to podcasts, uh, Spotify, the podcast app, wherever, you'll be able to tap into us. Tune in. And if you think, if you are blessed by any of these conversations, please do us a favor, share this with a friend so that we can grow. If it's been a blessing to you, make sure you're a blessing to somebody else. All right. Uh, with that being said, we will see y'all next time. Same time, same place, next week. We'll holler at y'all later. Real quick, I got a playlist moment for artists that I just discovered called Uninvited. We're gonna leave y'all with this song. Um, he just dropped the EP. I just grabbed it today. Absolutely incredible. The song is I Wanna Go to Heaven. We holler at y'all next time. Peace.