Off The Shot List
Weddings brought us here. Life gave us the rest of the story.
We’re Will and Christina, the husband-and-wife team behind The MacMeekens Photography. After more than a decade of photographing weddings and building a business, family, and wonderfully unconventional life together, we’ve learned that the best stories are rarely the ones anyone planned.
Off the Shot List is where we talk about all of it: weddings, marriage, creative work, homeschooling, neurodivergence, parenting, rock climbing, travel, and whatever else life puts in front of us.
Some episodes will help you plan a wedding that actually feels like you. Others may have absolutely nothing to do with weddings. Every episode is an honest, occasionally messy, and hopefully hilarious conversation about building a life together....and everything that happens outside the frame.
Off The Shot List
Episode 1 | Are We Recording?
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Well…we bought microphones. So we should probably explain ourselves.
In the very first episode of Off the Shot List, we’re talking about how the hell we ended up here—from building a photography business and working together as a married couple to raising kids, homeschooling, traveling, rock climbing, and somehow deciding the obvious next step was starting a podcast.
We talk about how photography became our shared career, the weird little life we’ve built along the way, why we wanted a place to talk about more than weddings, and what exactly Off the Shot List means to us.
Mostly, though, this is your introduction to us outside of the polished photographs and Instagram squares.
Welcome to Off the Shot List. We have absolutely no idea where this is going, and that's kind of the point.
I think we're gonna be here all day. I do not want to go over studio time, but I think we might.
SPEAKER_00I told you. I told you we would.
SPEAKER_02Okay, let's get started.
SPEAKER_00Four hours for three episodes? Yeah, no. It's we talk five hours for two episodes at this point. Let's go.
SPEAKER_02Hey everybody. We're Will and Christina, the husband and wife photography team behind the MacMeekins. And this is off the shot list.
SPEAKER_00Weddings brought us here. Life gave us the rest of the story.
SPEAKER_02I have to define y'all. I can't just define. That was five seconds of silence. So we're like, I don't know about you, Will, but I'm so stinking nervous and also like vibrating with excitement. I am so excited to like bring your face and your voice and your thoughts into this brand more and let everybody see who we are as a couple and as a team more. So okay.
SPEAKER_00Well, we can try.
SPEAKER_02We can try.
SPEAKER_00I might just disappear back off to my cave at the end of it. But yeah, we'll go with that.
SPEAKER_02Say one thing wrong, and that's how it's gonna go.
SPEAKER_00So how many times have I done that already?
SPEAKER_02Maybe why I'm shaking. Um, so I think it's important to like in order to help people understand us now, I think we should kind of let them know where we started and kind of how this whole thing evolved into off the shot list and the MacMeekins, because it didn't always start as this.
SPEAKER_00So basically, how we ended up here, right? Like not okay.
SPEAKER_02Um I love how you're already shortening my long form answers into concise, understandable phrases. Yeah, it's what I do best. That's right, that's right. So I have like a couple like bullet questions to keep us on track because I know we're gonna scroll five million times. Okay, but I'm hoping that this like rough outline keeps us coming back to the heart of what we're doing. But if if you decide like you just want to scroll and dive into a rabbit hole, like I'm up for it too.
SPEAKER_00I mean, we're both good at staying off topic.
SPEAKER_02That's right, that's right. At the end of the day, I promise to love you though, even if you piss me off, because I think you really likely piss me up. Well, yeah. Really? Yeah. Um, okay, so let's talk about how this started. Because it was equally as chaotic in the beginning as it is now. At least we've stayed consistent in that regard. Um, do you what do you think was the beginning? Because what you think may be different than mine.
SPEAKER_00What do I think was the beginning of our relationship, of our business? Yeah, to meet as well.
SPEAKER_02It all kind of started at the same time, didn't it?
SPEAKER_00I think so. Um, I mean, we met 2013. We shot our first wedding together in 2013.
SPEAKER_012013. 2013.
SPEAKER_00I was trying to remember if it was it was uh October.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I remember the couple's names and nicknames, but I don't really know.
SPEAKER_00I actually don't. So it was at October. That's rare for me.
SPEAKER_02It was at the Ranger Stadium. Yep, I remember that part. Yeah, that was cool. Uh looking back, there's like so much that when we started was so cringe. I love that the evolution of Will and Christina then is so different from the MacMeekins now, but in the core that I feel like the heart of what we've done has always stayed the same. We've always been like very client first, story first. Yep.
SPEAKER_00Started figuring it out pretty quick.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And like for on a personal level too, the start of everything we've done has been very non-traditional. Like we had a baby right away, we got married when our parents and friends were. Oh gosh, they're getting married. We met online before it was cool. Like match.com was so cringe, but like it worked for us. And I think that non-traditional against the grain kind of life that we just decided for each other um has really continued to be the heart of what we do now, too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think so. I mean, it we take an unconventional approach to everything. Um I mean, you're stating it already. I don't really have to add much to that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean, our life is pretty unconventional now too. Like aside from our business and our process, which I know we'll talk about over the course of the episode.
SPEAKER_00And started homeschooling in 2020 with the kids because they couldn't go to school. And yeah.
SPEAKER_02And then we tried sending them back to public school and realized that like the thing that was most important to us was each other. And you know, you were working that like nine to five, nine to nine sometimes. Most times, yeah. 50, 60 hour work weeks, and at the end of the day, it was like barely enough. Yeah you know, and so we were just kind of like, if we're gonna have barely enough, let's have barely enough together, you know? Yeah, right. Like I don't know.
SPEAKER_00It makes sense. It I think when we sent them back, along with the business aspect of it, right? Because we sent them back in the middle of my transition from working a standard nuclear family corporate job to what we do now. Um I started realizing it was actually getting in the way of us shooting the way we wanted and running our business the way we wanted.
SPEAKER_02Because we started taking what I would consider a full-time wedding load in like 2018. And you were still working, you know, 60-hour work weeks, but then having to request off to make the weddings happen. And I was working basically a full-time job from home with two toddlers, kindergartners, and that extra support that we found during COVID just by being forced to be home was just too good to give up again.
SPEAKER_00It was just too sweet. And the cooking changes.
SPEAKER_02And the cooking, we don't we don't have to talk about it.
SPEAKER_00Really? I want to, though.
SPEAKER_02Y'all, Will told me during COVID. I'm gonna straight up throw him under the bus. Will told me during COVID that he used to be able to choke down one meal a day that was bad. But if he was gonna be stuck at home eating three meals a day, he could not do it if I was the one cooking. So this absolute dickbag decided that he was now gonna cook, and I am forever here for it.
SPEAKER_00That was aggressive.
SPEAKER_02This happens, this happens for sure. So kind of how we started kind of like when things started to change was really 2020. Um, I think there was definitely a slow build in our business. We we really did try and make the traditional ways of life work. And when we decided we were gonna break the mold, we just did. We smashed it.
SPEAKER_00And we didn't want to expand too quickly into it. I I think the leap from a corporate job to realizing in the middle of all that working our business the way we do now is just as profitable and more profitable.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02More.
SPEAKER_00Um I mean, yeah, more. Um it took us a couple years to figure out that's actually doable. One, like we sat in anguished about that for I almost say it was like 18 months.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was a long time. Because we kept saying, we need a buffer, we need, we need to have this many preferred vendor lists. Like we need to be on, we had so many like very black and white goals.
SPEAKER_00We wanted like six months of income saved back and affiliates set up already that way when we dove in, it wasn't as deep of a dive.
SPEAKER_02And I think that's definitely like the safest way. Like, if we're gonna tell another couple, oh yeah, you're considering making this your only income, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just go for it. Just jump in. No, that is not what we would tell people. But I feel like very just repeatedly in our lives, we've always just kind of been jump in face first and figure out how to swim once you land. Um, so I kind of think that's what's beautiful about us, though, is we're very um we're able to pivot and uh feed off of each other. Like your energy charges me, and I feel like my energy I want to say charges you, but I know realistically drains you too. But it's fine. It's fine.
SPEAKER_00As I inch closer to the mic to whisper drains, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That that that so okay, let's hold on, let's go back to our little bullet list here so I don't lose ourselves. Aw, okay, yeah, this was cute. Okay. So when we were outlining the evolution of this, okay, I kept talking about how Christina 10 and 15 years ago would be so proud of Christina today. And you said that younger you, little Billy, would be so happy and proud of the husband and dad you've become. You know, like when we first met, like being a dad wasn't anywhere on your radar. And I mean, you you are such a good dad, dude. Like uh vomit, too cute, but like so I didn't mean to do that into the mic. I did vomit profusely. You are, you're such a good dad. You're such a good husband, and like thank you. I I love this life that we've made together. It gives us the ability to be as hands-on with each other, hands-on with each other in light. I'm sorry, I'm so nervous.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, it does, though.
SPEAKER_02It gives us this ability to like homeschool together, rock climb together, go on rogue camping trips into the Rocky Mountain on a whim with like four days' notice. Like, this is the life we've got like two weeks' notice. That that as our listeners will learn, I like to add sparkle to our stories. So every little thing, you can just kind of assume it's just grain of salt.
SPEAKER_00Grain of salt.
SPEAKER_02Just a little bit. I I I flutter in a level of life that's just quite delusional, but it's great. You keep me grounded. One time I heard a vendor say she like works with like a bunch of other um wedding pros and like helps them with admin and marketing and stuff. And she said that like DJs are they're like little balloons, and she's the one that holds them from floating away. And I feel like you're kind of like holding me as I float. And also it's one of the strengths of our partnership, too, is like can I just get one of those little weights to tie you to?
SPEAKER_00No, you have to.
SPEAKER_02So I can go off and do no, that's your end of the deal. Like I dream big and often unrealistically, like growing up, I was like, I'm going to Juilliard. I'm I'm gonna go work for National Geographic. And I think in our business, I'm like, let's go to Italy. And you're like, all right, how do we try? How do we make this happen? You know, I'm like, a couple wants us to go to Switzerland, let's go. And you're like, okay, but what are the logistics of this? Like, you really bring it back down to earth, and I think I pull you.
SPEAKER_00What do we pay for? What do they pay for? How do we balance everything out?
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, and I pull you to chase things.
SPEAKER_00Do I get a per diem every day?
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, William. So, okay, so that's kind of like something that that I think I went back to was just how proud younger versions of us would be.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, I didn't ever expect to be not working some kind of eight to six, nine to nine, whatever. Like I was used to working that 50, 60 hour work week every week. Um leaving in the morning before the kids were awake, coming home at night when they were already in bed, or getting into bed and having no time with them.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00Um, even on weekends, because I was working on weekends too. I'd have to work a Saturday or Sunday here or there just to keep everything afloat at work. I mean, I don't really have any other words for it than that. Like it was it was draining. We didn't have time for each other, we didn't have time for the kids. I didn't have time for the kids anyway.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um so if you if you looked at us now, like working together now, just in the working together piece, what piece of it do you think is the easiest and what part is the hardest for you? Because I can I can list out a few of it for each.
SPEAKER_00Working together is hard. It I'm not gonna lie. That's therapy session begins now.
SPEAKER_02Um now begins your TED Talk.
SPEAKER_00Uh but we had to learn how to work together, right? Like that that regardless of how well you coexist, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Next level.
SPEAKER_00Um, being able to do this and not Terry Chuck like I have anxiety that this is gonna turn into a public therapy session.
SPEAKER_02It might sometimes. I guarantee you all cry at some point.
SPEAKER_00And I'm gonna need a producer to step in. Hey, you need to shut up. You're not being nice. Um I'm going off topic again.
SPEAKER_02That's okay. Squirreling's fine.
SPEAKER_00Um learning how to work together.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, the amount of enjoyment we get from it now that we've learned, we've hashed out our strengths, our weaknesses. Hey, you're good at this. Don't ask me to do it.
SPEAKER_02Like, don't ask me to talk tech. I can't do it. That's you, Will.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But you stay in your cave because people ink is my deal. I am that is my strength. I do think that our portfolio would not be what it is now if it was not for your creative eye. Uh oh, it's getting sweet again. Vomit. Um, if it weren't for your creative eye and your stroke the ego.
SPEAKER_00Stroke the ego.
SPEAKER_02Like you have a very unique way of seeing things. Like we'll be shooting a wedding and standing next to each other, and I'm like, what are you shooting? You'll be like under a chair or laying on your belly, shooting up a hill. And I'm like, bruh, like what are you seeing right now? And then I'll look at your camera and I'm like, holy shit, like that is good. That's why people hire us. And then on the flip side of that, I do, if I'm bragging on myself a bit, I do think that I have a I have a way of like kind of disarming people. I think it's because I am kind of naturally messy and chaotic, and but I am good at my job.
SPEAKER_00So like I when it comes time to lock in, it's like you have a weird way of making people feel open.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And like us making a safe space for our couples starts on day negative one. You know, it starts from the neck it starts from the initial concept. It starts from the inquiry, yeah. It's it, you know, it's like that first meeting, I feel like, is really um trying to learn the core of not just what they want on their wedding day and their vision, but like who they are. So that the whole process is tailored to them. And I think that that that continues in their engagement session and that that dinner we share after, and just like um at the core of it, we're just always trying to know who people are, like what is their story. Uh, we kind of joke, and I know the the word is buzzword-ish, but like we are very documentary.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I mean, well, to that point though, like that is the the buzzword's one thing, actually diving into that and being that is another.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, but understanding and pushing before anything else, that the people are the story, not their things.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The things are just tertiary, right? Like none of that actually matters.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00If that's what matters in the relationship, there's something wrong with that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And and that's not to say like the things aren't beautiful. The things aren't adding, you know, this level of aesthetic and you know, adding to the vibe. Yeah. But, you know, it's not a wedding if the couple isn't together. You know, so featuring that, focusing on that, and weaving in all of the other pieces, the the venue, the the details, the whatever it is, weaving those in does tell the story with a couple centered at the feature. At the featured at the center.
SPEAKER_00There you go. It's their interactions, it's their interactions with their people, not their things. It's the emotions. Um, I'm kind of beating a dead horse here now, so No, you're good.
SPEAKER_02You're good. Um let's kind of talk about the podcast.
SPEAKER_00Like it's kind of how did we end up here?
SPEAKER_02Where did we come from?
SPEAKER_00Why?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, I just feel like everyone and their mom has a podcast now. But I think that, you know, this is an opportunity for us to let people in more because people let us into their lives, into their uh vulnerabilities, into their literally nakedness, as they're changing into their wedding dress, into their suits. Like this is a way for people to see who we are as a core and let it be unfiltered. Um, I think that authenticity, being authentic is um something that sometimes people cringe when they see business owners saying, I'm I'm gonna be authentic, because they think that it means the business owner is gonna be messy. But I think that it's not, it's important for people to know us truly, but even more so, like if we let people in, if we let them see how we communicate, how we think all of the weird side questing our brains do, then I think it will only add to the safety that we're creating in the space for them, for them to be their authentic selves, for them to be disarmed and chaotic and emotional and happy and sad and all of the things that happen in the wedding process. So off the shot list, pick the name because I feel like a lot of our favorite photos are ones that come off of a shot list. They're the ones that that you can't plan out, the ones that you can't script, and also like our life is one that is completely off the shot list, kind of bringing it back to the beginning. We lead a very non-traditional life. Um, and so yeah, kind of breaking the mold.
SPEAKER_00I very rarely leave the house anymore.
SPEAKER_02So that is so not true. I've gotta quit saying that. We're always together, literally.
SPEAKER_00Do you see how pale I am?
SPEAKER_02Shut up. Um, okay. Final thing before we wrap this uh lesson. Can you tell I've been homeschooling? Lesson episode.
SPEAKER_00Is there gonna be a test? What am I gonna be? Shit, I didn't study for this pop quiz, man.
SPEAKER_02That's right. That's right. Where did you fail, Lil? Question one.
SPEAKER_00Uh I failed this whole thing, is what I did. Just like the rest of my schooling. I failed everything.
SPEAKER_02It's okay. We're doing great here. We're just keeping it here. Um, what can our listeners expect and not expect?
SPEAKER_00Um probably for me to sugarcoat anything.
SPEAKER_02You are or not?
SPEAKER_00I'm not sugarcoating shit.
SPEAKER_02Like that's I love this, Will.
SPEAKER_00Uh, what about from you?
SPEAKER_02Um, I can promise to just be honest. I can promise to come into this room. And if people ask us questions, we've got a list of questions from people on social media that are stoked about the podcast. Um, I can promise to answer those honestly.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02I can promise to be vulnerable.
SPEAKER_00You can sugarcoat a little bit though. That's in your that's in your wheelhouse.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I I will want to, but you're gonna have to make sure that I don't. Okay. Deal?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I got you. Okay.
SPEAKER_02So we're gonna pull up our now that we've actually talked about that, because I almost forgot. Oh, you want, I thought we pull this up now?
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02You want to?
SPEAKER_00Sure.
SPEAKER_02Should I make a little ditty while I do it?
SPEAKER_00Oh no.
SPEAKER_02Now it's time for questions from the group chat.
SPEAKER_00Oh, we're gonna be sued by Nintendo.
SPEAKER_02Can we please call this questions from the group chat? Because I'm here for it. I don't know why that just happened, but it did. No, okay. Um, so somebody asked us. I'm gonna freaking cry. No, I'm not gonna cry. Somebody asked us.
SPEAKER_00Oh, cry. Just cry.
SPEAKER_02What are some of the biggest challenges about raising a child on the spectrum?
SPEAKER_00While doing what we do.
SPEAKER_02It doesn't say that, but okay. Um so let I'm so sorry. Dang it, Avery, I'm gonna come for you. I swear, this question. Um we'll give some backstory because I think that neurodivergence is featured on our homepage, it's featured on our blogs. We photograph autistic couples every single year. We've had years.
SPEAKER_00Probably featured in us a little bit at times.
SPEAKER_02Are you talking about me or you? Yes. You. Um always you. It was it was always on our radar, though. We knew that with our my family history that it wasn't impossible for one of our kids to have autism. And so when Quinn was little, I started seeing signs at like six months old. When she would feed, when she would nap in the little rocker, and she would only nap if the vacuum was running under the swing. Do you remember this? Um, she had like food sensitivity. She had a hard time eating baby food without gagging. And just it was just like little things that we started to notice straight out the gate.
SPEAKER_00And then and it wasn't flavor things, it was Texture.
SPEAKER_02And then you were working in the paint store, and she would take the bottles of caulking and line it up through the store. And if anyone moved, a bottle of caulking, like the world ended, the store crumbled. We got really early intervention. Um, she wasn't speaking for the first really three and a half years of her life, um, and started developing like three-word sentences around four. Um, so all that to say, Quinn's come from that to like a chattery, vibrant, colorful, magical little unicorn who like lives in her own joyous space and um is incredibly high functioning. Um we have amazing support at rock climbing and at church and um with family and friends, chosen family that have stepped in and and I feel like really made life easy for all of us, including Quinn. Um I do think the hardest part of it is knowing how to discipline a kid with autism.
SPEAKER_00Definitely get so that's kind of that was my first thought, right? Was how do I balance the difference between our oldest and our youngest? Not even age and disciplinary reasons or even parenting.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, their personalities are very different.
SPEAKER_00It's how do I do it fairly?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because if I give one too much leeway, does the other one deserve it? Or is it me giving the other a crutch? If that makes sense.
SPEAKER_02For sure. And also, like, how do we be firm without dysregulating her?
SPEAKER_00Correct.
SPEAKER_02How do we be firm without causing more problems?
SPEAKER_00Where she's usually already dysregulated by that point.
SPEAKER_02When when she's I do think that our kids are really good. Like I'm not just like blowing smoke up everyone's ass. Like, I do think we have really good kids.
SPEAKER_00They are the sweetest things on the planet. At least to us. I'm only slightly biased.
SPEAKER_02They are sweet though. We're saying that because they're not here though. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
SPEAKER_00They are no, no, we are saying that because they're not here. They'd be all over every single microphone in this room.
SPEAKER_02I'd be giving them hairy eyeballs. Like, quit.
unknownQuit.
SPEAKER_02Sit down.
SPEAKER_00How old are you?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I just got really old, I think. It's fine. So, okay, I hope that answers Avery's question. That with, you know, we don't have to beat the dead horse, but basically, like, it is hard to discipline a kid with autism. It's hard to know when something is a sensory freakout or just big feelings. And doing that with fairness across the board for both kids.
SPEAKER_00Trying to, yeah, establish. Because in life, you're not going to life's not going to be fair for anyone going on, right? Like um.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02There's not. And you're also like not always gonna like the results. But we just have to hope that in the end, like, we're doing the best we can by our kids.
SPEAKER_00Anything you accommodate for can't be seen or can't be g given as a crutch.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Has to be Oh gosh, I didn't actually cry that whole time. I've teared up, but I didn't didn't cry, so I'm proud of myself. Way to go. Okay. Somebody else asks, what is something you wish you did more as kids or in your early 20s? Say it. Can say it can I know you want to.
SPEAKER_00Can I say rock climb? Is that is that fair?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like, I wish I found that earlier in my life.
SPEAKER_02We've talked about this. Tell tell them why. Tell me why.
SPEAKER_00Tell you why.
SPEAKER_02Tell me why, slash our listeners.
SPEAKER_00Um no, it it it hits off a lot of the same, like a lot of my hobbies since I was a kid, playing Magic of the Gathering, playing baseball, yeah, um, all the things where it's you work on doing these things in sequence, in order, and in proper form translate to being a successful anything, correct? Like I was a pitcher playing Magic the Gathering, like stupid card games.
SPEAKER_02He doesn't mean it. He didn't really play magic, guys. He didn't. Sorry, keep going.
SPEAKER_00Never one time at Bandcamp.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god. And the episode's over. And D D class.
SPEAKER_00But I I think I wish I had gotten into something like that earlier in life. Um, because I probably would have stuck with it through even to now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Where my other hobbies that I've picked up have kind of dwindled or become unattainable because of the time sink that it involves.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, not at all related to neurodivergence, not at all hyperfixating on new hobbies. Although I will say, rock climbing has stuck. It has been such a gift for our family. It's been a um, yeah, like when y'all, when we first started, I was so scared of heights. I had never seen in our attic because I couldn't get on an eight-foot ladder. So the kids started rock climbing, Will started rock climbing. We were just looking for community. And then the kids were like, Mom, get on the wall. And I made it up like three holes, and I'm just shaking like an whole entire earthquake on the wall.
SPEAKER_00I hope everyone can see that right now. That'd be great.
SPEAKER_02And finally I get up to the top of the wall, and I will never forget hitting the top, coming down, and like being filled with adrenaline. It was like I just was like, my eyes were vibrating, my face was tingling. It was like not just proud that I made it to the top of the wall, but it was proud that I like overcame myself. And so I think that's such a cool piece of life that we're giving our kids and each other.
SPEAKER_00It's more you don't have to compete with other people. You can compete with yourself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. Um also can we talk about the community?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's great.
SPEAKER_02Like we found some of our closest friends there in those in those walls, like moms, other moms trying to hustle their butts up the wall and speak for yourself. You found like 25, 30-year-old dudes who are like, Yeah, well, you can do it, you old grandpa. That's what's happening. So either way, we love it. I love it for you, and I do think that's a really good answer. Um, did I answer this question?
SPEAKER_00No, you didn't. Not yet.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, this is taking so long.
SPEAKER_00What is something, what is something you wish you had found earlier in life? Aside from caffeine, what is it?
SPEAKER_02You know, honestly, I'm glad I didn't because that would have been problematic. I had no self-restraint. Something I wish we did I did more in my 20s was be outside. I think that some of my happiest memories are ones that were done when we were camping or when my dad and I were summiting a 14er when I was in fifth or sixth grade. Like some of some of the most wonderful memories of my entire life were spent on a trail or in a tent. Um, so I wish we had done we had brought that for our family sooner, but you know, never look back. Just going forward now.
SPEAKER_00I think that was also I think we wanted more of that than to just wasn't attainable because the schedules. Yeah. Like we didn't have the freedom we have now. Yeah. We don't live in an area that is Yeah, it's not right around the corner. Privy to yeah, it's not like living in Denver when we went to Rocky Mountain, you know, last week. That was so many people I ran into were just up. We got there Saturday morning with everyone else. Yeah. And I swear it was like 95% of everyone I talked to was from like Denver or Breckenridge or um Golden Boulder.
SPEAKER_02Colorado Springs. Yeah. Yeah. Like they were We do have to we have to put in a little more effort to make it happen. So it it may happen less, but you know, when it happens, it'll be good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it'd be great.
SPEAKER_02So we have like a whole bunch more questions, but I think realistically we should probably do like two more, okay?
SPEAKER_00Two more? You sure? You want to save them or you wanna Okay.
SPEAKER_02Let's do one more. We'll do one more. And we'll save the rest, okay? Yeah. Um what's something about your marriage that works for you, but other people would probably think is weird?
unknownOh shit.
SPEAKER_02Where do we start? Oh no. Um I think the obvious answer is the amount of time we spend together.
SPEAKER_00That is borderline codependent. Border? Borderline.
SPEAKER_02It's incredibly codependent.
SPEAKER_00You need an emotional support person.
SPEAKER_02That's why you're here, that's why Jen's here, that's why we have our weighted blanket humans all around us all the time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think it yeah, the amount of time we spend together.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like I I don't think there's a time Jen calls you where I don't walk across the FaceTime in the background, hi Jen! And off I go.
SPEAKER_02Any of my aunts or cousins. Yeah. Yeah, you're you're you're in the background, so it works for us. I do think that um other couples may want to choke each other. And I think that it's it's honest to say it's not for everybody. It's honest to say that I think that every wedding there's a point where you want to kill me, and I definitely want to scratch your eyeballs out. But we don't. Like we stay civil, we still love each other, we're still married. Uh uh vomit, vomit. That's just vomiting.
SPEAKER_00Usually when I'm screaming water at you from across the room, it's a little more aggressively.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Yeah, but yeah, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, but it sure is a good life. I'm glad we get to do it together.
SPEAKER_00It's good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And on that, we should end before I actually hurl from SAP.
SPEAKER_00Do we have an outro yet? Dude, you can't make it. No. That is a that is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
SPEAKER_02Okay, we'll come up with our own little ditty next time, okay? We're getting points of verification. Don't sing that every time. I don't even know if it's that right. Okay, anyways, ending. I love you. This is great.
SPEAKER_00It was it was it was like Bucky lawsuit. Bucky.
SPEAKER_02Level close. Okay, and on that, next time.
