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In this installment of ... But What Do We Know? Podcast, Marissa and Anna discuss the US's alleged trip to the moon, how anti-LGBT politicians always seem to be hiding a secret (looking at you Noem), the disturbing cast of this season's Unexpected, if Rama is the first lady of NYC or just the wife of the mayor of NYC, and Marissa's missed opportunity to have become a founding father in psychology. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Hi everybody, welcome to the What You They Know podcast. I'm Marissa. And I'm Anna. And um, we're actually back on time this week. Hi, sorry. Hi, nope, don't be sorry. It's just life. This is you know. Um, what's up?

SPEAKER_02 0:36

What's going on? Uh, not much, not much. Um I do have an update on the data center drama. Am I borrowing it? Um, there was a conditional use hearing for one of the data centers, and the council um voted to deny their application, which sounds great, but like they can appeal it. Which they're gonna do. Um, and that's just one of six proposed data centers in the borough. And I just found out that um another how much was it? I think 500 acres was purchased to for another data center. So uh said no to one, and now another one just bought up all this land to build. Like not this one, but this one for sure. Yeah, and it's like okay, well, we'll just keep just keep doing this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Perfect. We're just gonna be like little corporate drones.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

And then there was um some land that was cleared, uh, like off of like a like this granite Carmondale Highway, and like they cut all these trees were flattened, and then people were like, oh my god, are they putting a data center right here like on a main street? And I'm like, no, and then I looked and like they're building a Wobbler and a Starbucks and like a dentist office there. Okay. I'm like, okay, like sure cut out the trees for Starbucks. Like that's yeah, if you put a Starbucks there, I don't care. But then I was like confused because across the street there are like multiple vacant buildings. I'm like, can you have to use these vacant buildings instead of cutting down these trees to build new ones? Because I couldn't, you know, my my uncle's a contractor's like, wow, with how much something I would have to renovate, blah blah blah. And I'm like, okay. Yeah, but whatever. Um, that's my little um little town update, but I don't have anything else happening personally. So how are you?

SPEAKER_01 2:36

It's been blowing up on like online, and maybe blowing up online because it's people that I follow live in that area. So it made like semi-national news, so yeah. Um, with me, I got the job that I talked about on my last my last thing here. Boss babe over here. Boss babe. Um, so yay, that was very exciting.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

I think it gave you such a cutie little keyboard.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

They gave me a cute little keyboard pink. So I'm decorating my office because now I have uh like a work office. And um, other than that, literally nothing at all. Do they call you like ma'am at the office? Hell no. Can you imagine? I could not. But somebody called me their boss the other day, and I was like, that's only a teenager. I can't be someone's boss. I've never been anyone's boss. I prefer it that way. Yeah, it's kind of dumb. No, it's good. I like my job. Think yung. Dink yell.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

I told my uh second my supervisor the other day, and she was talking about like there was a position open that higher than hers that she was considering applying for. And then I was like, well, you can't, because if you leave, who's taking your position? Because it's not me. I'm not doing it. It's ruse from home as well. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. It would just be like overseeing more stuff. And I'm like, that sounds like not fun to me. Like, I I don't want to oversee anyone. I've reached my I've reached my max in uh boss vape levels. You're done. And then.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Yeah, it's not really worth it going any further. I mean, you know, financially it is. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Financially, but it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

My god, so proud of you. You like thank you.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

You've had I feel like you've had so many jobs in the last like two years. I thought about when we started this podcast and the it amount of like random jobs I've had. I always had the same big job. I always had the same big job, but I had like a bunch of other little side jobs, and then I'm hoping I can just stay put for a while. My lord. Um, yeah. Other than that, nothing has gone on. I yeah, but so other other than the job thing, nothing else is really going on. I am still doing the same stuff. I'm sure in like 20 minutes I'll think of something that I had to say. Eric wants to start up a cookie business.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

A cookie business? He made like pistachio cream cookies over the weekend, and he was like, I should just make cookies and sell them. And I was like, okay. Do it. Fine.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Like, why not? I don't know what's happening there. What? With the cookie business? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

He has like these like uh waiting ideas that pop in and he like gets like all like hyperfixated on it, but then the ADHD never allows it to come to fruition.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

You know, that's actually pretty fair because I feel like I'm the same way.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

But Easter is coming up, so um you do an adult Easter egg hunt. We still do an adult Easter egg hunt at the Miller house. That's so cute.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

We do indeed. We um my mom's got it ready for this year.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Of course she does. I expect nothing less.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

She's so excited. The Easter bunny will be at the Miller's house. Will the Easter bunny be coming to your house?

SPEAKER_02 6:41

You know how I feel about these holidays.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

I know.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I do have Easter egg baskets, or I have Easter baskets for the children. Their items have been purchased. Um, I think Eric's gonna do like a little Easter egg hunt. I mean it's just like gonna be Remy.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

So you just pretend that Ruby's doing it too.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Yeah, so uh he'll like I think he'll do like a put Easter eggs in the yard and stuff. Um, but then we'll be going to Eric's parents' house for dinner and um another Easter egg hunt with his cousin. So cute. Yeah. We went to an Easter egg hunt um at the courthouse over the weekend. Oh and because like here's okay. Here's another thing I I realized after I had children is that so he's four, Remy's four, and there's they have like you know community Easter egg-s and stuff like that. Right. But they don't put like an age limit on them, or they don't like group them into different ages. So like we've gone to like Easter egg cons like he when he was like three, and there's like 12-year-olds and like 13-year-olds, and like I'm not saying they can't be there because there's some 12 and 13-year-olds who like developmentally like it makes sense for them to go there, but like even like seven, eight, nine-year-olds, like I have no problems with them going to an Easter egg hunt, but they shouldn't be in the same group as three and four-year-olds. They they get too aggressive, they like they see a little toddler walking up to an egg and they go and run and grab the egg in front of them. Like, it's very upsetting.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Yeah, no, that's I agree, that's not fair.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

So I found this Easter egg hunt, and it was only for ages three to seven, I think. So I was like, okay, like that's better.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

So we took him there, and like there was no fighting, there was no mean teenagers, so it was cute, and uh, we didn't know what was happening though, because we he we were waiting for it to start, and he was like playing with chalk on the steps, and then we hear someone go, Go! And we're like blah, and he's like he like picked up his desk and had to like haul ass. He was like out of breath at the end.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

He was like, Sorry, Laurax!

SPEAKER_01 8:50

He was like crawling to the finish line. There's no finish line, but he's like, I need my egg, my eggs.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Ruby slept through the whole thing, so that was good. Oh, good for her.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Good for her. Did you see the TikTok of the little boy with the target bag instead of the Easter basket?

SPEAKER_02 9:12

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Oh my god. It sparked an internal debate within myself about so this mom on TikTok very obviously thought she was like doing something. And it was uh like a for I should ask, when you take Remy to an Easter egg hunt, does he bring a basket or a bag? A basket. Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

I mean it's like a 99 cent basket from like Walmart.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Doesn't matter, still it's still like an Easter basket. Yeah. Right? So there's this little thing, and the mom was like, Ma all these kids have a basket and my son has a Target bag. And the people in the comments were like, You know they're like a dollar, right? Like you could you can shop a car at Target. And then they went on they went on her TikTok and she like got the I think it was like out of some kind of a Starbucks limited edition mug, and she was posting about it, and they're like, Oh, so you can get this, but you can't buy your son an Easter at Easter basket. I'm with I I agree, like I feel bad for him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

He was the only little boy with a little bag. Like, it it's not like the I don't know, it's not that hard to like prepare them for an event. Like I said, like I've seen some kids like they go to Easter egg huts and they have like extravagant baskets for like an Easter egg hunt. And then I we have Remy has like the 99 cent pail from Walmart, and but like his Easter basket for Easter is like a nice embroidered basket, but he's like taking that to an Easter egg hunt.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

That's exactly how my household was, like, because my mom had like special baskets for each of us, and then we would take like just like a rinky dink one to the thing because we'd probably lose it or break it or something like that. Yeah, I felt really sad about that. I felt sad.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Do you want to see the kids' Easter baskets?

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yeah. Absolutely, I do.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

So this is Remy's. And I was so happy when I bought Ruby's, the set seller on Amazon on Etsy is still there. So I got was able to get the same one, just a pink one for Ruby. I was so happy I could find the same matching baskets because our Christmas stockings, they're all like mix matched because they're kind of similar, but they're definitely not the same. Because I bought mine in Eric's first because we were together for a long time. So we have the same kind of ones, and then Remy, by the time he came along, the seller that I bought ours wasn't there anymore, so I had to buy a different one for Remy. And when I bought Ruby's, the seller for Remy's was gone. So we all have they're all like similar in that they're like burlap and they have like a snowman or miss or Santa or like a ranger like like 3D popping out. Wait, we have those. Do you? Yeah, but they're all like they're like three different like styles, yes. Yes, which is kind of annoying. So maybe like in a couple years I'll buy like new stockings for all of us, but I'm like really on a thing about like not buying stuff if I don't need it.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Yeah, no stain.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

Whatever. Um, what do we have to talk about this week? We didn't even text each other about what to talk about. Well, I feel like I I've been talking a lot. What do you want to talk about first? Um Do you have your little research topic? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

I have my topic. Okay. Because I this is what this is the topic that sparked what Cliff and I were just like heavily debating slash arguing about when before I I got on this. So long story short, I we went to New York this past weekend. We were there for like the week for like a long weekend. And when we got back, we went to go pick up Andy from Cliff's parents' house. I fell asleep. I took a nap, of course, because that's what I always do. And also because for some reason we were up until uh Cliff was like, it's an early night for us, 4 a.m. the night before. So you know that's when I get out of bed. Right. I don't I can't do that. So I took a nap, and as I was like coming out of consciousness, I hear the thing that uh that sparked what I wanted to do this topic about. And because I had heard this years ago, like a long time ago, and then Cliff found it also a long time ago, but he's always like been really interested in it, and for some reason something sparked it back up in him recently. And I'm like, you know what? I never actually looked into this and I never did any research about it. Did you ever hear the Art Bell Coast to Coast phone call, the Area 51?

SPEAKER_00 14:21

I don't think so, no. Really? Yeah, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Oh my god. Buckle up. Oh gosh. Buckle up. So do you know what who Art Bell is? No. Okay. So there's a show. It's I think it's still going on. Not art. Art doesn't host it anymore because he's dead. Um rest in peace. And he yeah, he hosted a show. It was like the 80s, I think it started, yeah, 1980 until two 2003 is when he hosted it. And it was an AM radio show. Like it's all a which is like wild to think about it. Yeah. It was all AM. And it was called Coast to Coast AM, and it was a late-night talk show, but it was all about like paranormal, like basically everything that we used to be like.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

But it was live. Okay. And it was just him, he was the host, but it was at in a ra in a radio station. So from what I understand, he never screened any of his calls. So this was like the late 80s to you know early 2000s. I don't know how much screening like would have been involved anyway, but he didn't screen anything. So he took calls as they came in. And he did different segments on the show, obviously. Like I was still not sure about that. Oh they're listening. Um so he did this specific segment, and I think he had I think he hosted somewhere in like Nevada. It was close to Area 51. Okay. And he hosted a segment called Area 51, where he asked anyone who worked in Area 51 or near the area or had any information about it to call into the station. So on September 11th, 1997, weird that it was September 11th, he hosted his Area 51 segment and asked for people specifically who worked at Area 51 to call in that night. Like so he didn't screen them, he doesn't know who's calling, whatever. So caller comes in and he's like, hey, um, he sounds like stressed. Like he's like, he sounds very like under duress in this situation. And he asks Art, he's like, hey, I don't know if this is like the right line to call in. And no, I'm giving you a brief summary of this. You can listen to the whole thing, of course, on YouTube. Um and Art's like, it's okay, like, yeah, tell you know, tell me what you gotta tell. He's like a very good host. He just is trying to encourage him without like seeming freaked out by it. And he he's like crying, he's shaking, and he explains that he used to be this guy. He was he worked for Area 51, but he was recently released on a medical discharge. He doesn't say obviously who he is, because he's like, I can't say, and he goes, I can't stay on long because they'll triangulate my area, but he's like, doesn't explain. So he's on the phone for three and a half minutes, and here I'm gonna read most of this, but he talks about how he has like m a couple different main points that he's trying to get across. The for biggest point is that he's saying that aliens are aliens, but they're extra-dimensional beings who have already infiltrated the military establishment. Now, this is in 1997, so this is like wild to them back then. So um he he still he continues to talk, he's like very scared. He says that there's that there had been many disasters that the government was aware of, that they had been working with the aliens, and that their plan was to triangulate on these like major population areas for mass extermination. Okay. And he's like sounds scar like he sounds like he's getting like more and more like it's like genuinely he's like pretty scared. And then all of a sudden, the fucking radio station satellite dies.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

No.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

And they have a backup generator, of course, so when you listen to the recording, I I forget what actually happens, but the backup generator goes on, and art is obviously on, he's still on the air, because it's radio, like you can still keep it. He's like, uh hey, I'm sorry, I don't know what happened. Like you probably heard uh they had a pre-recorded interview, and he's like, if you heard the pre-recorded interview, I'm sorry, our our station just went out, like the satellite went out. They couldn't explain who it was or why it happened. They're just like that's like a fluke, whatever. And but art's art's like, that's kind of weird, wasn't that like kind of creepy? And they get back on air after a while, and this had this had never happened, and art says it like a million times, like, this has never happened before. I don't understand like how it's even possible. So then they keep the show going and people call in and they're like, You're not gonna hear from they kept they get these random weird calls that are like, You're never gonna hear from that guy again. Like, I can tell you right now he's never gonna call you here again, blah blah blah. And they they continue the show like normal. And then you don't hear about it. Like people talk about it and they're like that's weird, yeah, but mostly weird because the satellite stopped. Right. The I think from what I understand about this show, he used to get calls like that, maybe not quite as like dramatic, but he'd get these calls like that. But it's the fact that the the station went out that makes it so significant to people.

unknown 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

So you you don't hear anything about it, and then April 28th, 1998, he gets a call again from some guy, and he's like, Hey, I don't know if you remember me, but I called you a while. He says in the thing, I was just listening to it before we we got on on here, he goes, We talked a week ago, and the satellite turned off, and he's like, I'm really sorry, that really scared me. Like, I don't understand why that happened.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

And Art Bell's like, Oh my god, are you the guy that I talked to like a year ago? And he's like, Yeah, a week ago. I talked to you a week ago, remember? And he says that he's this guy, hold on. He's he says in the thing, his name's Brian. And he's he basically admits that this was a hoax that he he called and he was like just being like sill like dramatic, but he's like, I didn't I didn't plan the station to Go out.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

And he's like, that really scared me, he said, so I didn't I never called back because I was so scared. He's like, I was just doing it to be entertaining. And then he's like, Isn't that weird that the station was coincidence? Yeah. Yeah. So they never talk about this again. Barbell's just like, okay, well, thanks for calling. Like, whatever. Like, yeah. Cause apparently, so like they had gotten other hoax phone calls. Of course, they're not screening it. It's just like random people calling all the time. So this Brian Glass guy is actually from fun fact Fishtown. Oh, okay. And he's a comic book writer. He's still a comic book writer. Like, he's on Instagram and stuff now. And he says that it was him the whole time that he wrote this story.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

That he wrote the story and he called in. And but he doesn't know why the power went out at that time. He's like, he just thinks it's weird. Um then they asked, and then Arpell never really talked about it again. They asked him in an interview. They said, like, some there was in one particular interview, and they were like, Well, why? What do you think about the Area 51 colour? Do you think that was the same guy? Do you think that was you know the government? And he just said the quote was, I don't know, but it was great radio. It made for a great show. Hmm. And Anna, there's nothing else. Shady. There's nothing else about it. And they got to art. 50-50 if it's a hoax or if it's real. A hoax that they shut down the satellite? All all of it. All of it. All of it. There's no proof either way. And there's no way to prove it because it was live radio.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

I can see like the collar being a hoax. Like he's like, oh, I was just doing this for shit and giggles and started talking about Area 51. Without hearing the caller, like I don't know nothing about this.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

I can see that being like a hoax, and then the powers that be were listening in, and they shut down the satellite just in case.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

It's a really interesting thing to listen to because the guy genuinely sounds very upset and very scared during it. So you're like, oh, okay. But the second call, I think it sounds like the same guy. Yeah. I guess people have analyzed the voices together and say that it doesn't sound like the same guy. I'm like, it's a year apart. It's he doesn't, he's not gonna make it sound exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Especially if like the first time he was calling and he was like pretending like he could have made his voice sound you know silly.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

But I don't know. I think it's very interesting because there's no answer and there'll potentially never be an answer. But I think I d I actually think the same thing that you think. I think it was this guy. I think that it was this comic book writer. But I think that someone they were listening because they had to be. This guy's like in Nevada, he's doing this fate world famous radios broadcast. They were definitely listening and they're probably like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

But I think it's interesting a lot of the stuff that he said about like aliens being in extra in interdimensional beings and stuff like that. That was like pretty revolutionary for the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

That is true. That's like that was kind of out of the box for that.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Today, like oh, and then he was like, and they're gonna destroy the population centers. Like, if you said that to someone on the street today, they'd be like, Yeah, duh. Right. Like interdimensional beings are going to destroy us. Yes. That is a little little niche for that time period. For real. And isn't it weird at September it happened on September 11th, the first call? But I definitely I highly encourage you to listen to this. I think I'll have to. It is it's definitely a creepy listen. It sounds creepy. I think I'd have to listen to it during the day. Yeah, it was because I was listening to a podcast about it like right before and it was just me and Andy at home. So I got a little scared. But I don't know. It's a weird one. It's one to ponder because and that's why I was like, this will be a quick little tidbit because there's no answer to it. It's just information. And he's I don't people are people are torn. Like you I went deep into the Reddit threads about it. Oh, I love a deep dive on Reddit. And then there's other people who think that it's completely like radio theater, like War of the Worlds, right, right, right. Kind of thing, which I think could also be very cool, but I just like that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

It's like you have to gauge it like uh like strictly on vibes. Like, did it sound real? Did it feel real?

SPEAKER_01 27:19

It sounded real, but he could also just be really good at telling a story. True. True. Yeah, you have to listen to it and let me know what you think. And people listening to this.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Speaking of outer space, you see that we're on a moon mission. As we as in the United States.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

We are to what are we doing at the moon?

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Okay, so we're it's a manned mission to go around the moon and come back. I don't know what they're doing, like what data they're collecting or whatever, but it's like the first manned mission to the moon since whatever, 1969. But it's not to the moon, it's like to go around the moon and come back. And like I knew like they just launched, uh, I think like today. And um I was uh Eric was home for his lunch break, and like I was like leaving to go pick up the kids from school, and he was like, Oh, do you see like the we're going to the moon? And I was like, I'll believe it when I see it. And he goes, Well, you haven't been to the moon since whatever and I said, We were never there. And I walked out the door, he's like, Okay. He's like, have a good day.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Enjoy your day.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

But this is the thing I will never understand about the moon landing, the moon missions. It's like we went there, it was 1969, right? That's when we landed on the moon to the right, the right year. Okay, 1969, we landed on the moon, okay. It's been 50 plus years, and we've never gone back to the moon. Like, that blows my mind. I know all this advancement in technology, all the more, all the new information we could could collect, we haven't gone back. Like, if you like, I feel like going to the moon in 1969 is like sci-fi, not real life. Going to the moon now in 2026, like, okay, that makes sense. You could probably get a ticket to the moon. Yeah. And some people say, like, well, we haven't gone back to the moon, because like, what do we need to collect from there? Like, there's no reason for us to go back. Probably a lot. Probably yeah, probably get some information. I don't know. Like, I'm no fucking scientist. It seems important. I don't know. I so I know it sound it's like you know, very like frowned upon to be a moon landing conspiracy theorist. Like you're almost like going into like flat earther theory there, but the I'm not convinced.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

I'm sorry, but I think if you think we landed on the moon, you're done. I really do. I you know what is something that will blow my mind. Who took the video? Who took the video?

SPEAKER_02 29:59

I also like it was it didn't they like call the White House? They like called the president from the moon, and they're like, I'm like, I don't have good cell phone service a block down from my house, but you're telling me I gotta get a clear line from the moon to the White House in 1969.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Fucking happening. It's not, it's not happening. It doesn't, oh my god, it's you can't believe that that happened. You can't believe didn't he say didn't what's his name in that interview say, like, we didn't go to the moon.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Yeah, he and people are like, oh well, he's getting old. I was like, mmm. You mean the truth's coming out because inhibitions are lowered.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

We were never there, and there's we probably can't get there, and that's why we're circling it right now.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Well, and that's what, yeah, right? We were never it you can't go there, that's why we're not going there. We're going around the moon and coming back.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Listen, I'm no scientist, but I do know that the moon orbits the earth. So yes. I think that we can only orbit the moon.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

I don't know about that, but I think there's uh some physics information you're missing there, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

You know what? I've never said said that I was a physicist. My um my bosses are gonna be listening to this right now and be like, we gotta take that off.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

We actually have to rescind that off.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

So we heard what you said about the moon. You dumb bitch. No, but I don't believe in the moon, I don't believe in the moon landing. And you know what? I'm gonna say it here. I don't believe Helen Keller did we. I don't believe in Helen Keller. No, because they just proved that. They just proved that she was not legitimate.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Who who just proved it?

SPEAKER_01 32:00

She's dead. We mean who they just proved it. I don't know, science. Get out of here. Never oh man, there's so much in history I just I don't buy.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Um I have to talk to you about my reality TV segment that I'm talking through. Okay. Have you heard of the show Unexpected on TLC? I keep seeing it, it keeps coming up as a suggested on Hulu for me. Okay, so like I've been watching Unexpected since season one, and the premise of the show is kind of like uh the the TLC version of uh a teen mom. So it's these teenage girls who get pregnant, and they are also I think the qualifier is that they're they were also their moms are also teenage moms. Oh, okay. So that's like not that that that's much different, that's like statistical, but anyway, so it's these teenage girls who get pregnant, they're on the show, and it's like a a not as well, I won't say less drama than TL than MTV, but it's like a different like cinematic production of it. But anyway, this season, like the I mean it's all controversial because they're teenagers, but the biggest controversial couple is this girl Bella, who is 15 and pregnant, and her baby daddy is Hunter, who is 13 years old. And he got her pregnant when he was 12. Yeah, well, this whole you know, TLC loves exploitation, yes, of minors, especially. Um so they're like the controversial couple because it's like the age is like jarring that he's in middle school and like a father, and like he will be graduating high school when his kid is graduating kindergarten. Like yikes. But the whole thing with like teenage pregnancy, that like at least my stance on is like you don't support teenage pregnancy, but you support the teenage parents, like God forbid my children have are teenage parents, like I don't approve of them being teenage parents, but like if that's what happens, you have to support them and help them figure out what they're gonna be doing, exactly. Um but so Hunter and Bella, okay, there's like all this drama now, and because there's been some internet sleuths going on, because the narrative on the show is that Hunter's dad, once he found out that he he's gonna be a teenage father, like abandoned the family, left, and like wants nothing to do with them, and so he has like a strained relationship with his dad. Um, and so he lives a Hunter lives across the street, Hunter and his mom live across the street from Bella and her parents. So, like, that's why they're always over each other's houses and like they're always left alone. That's how they got pregnant. That's how it happened. But now, like the internet sleuths, they're you know, there's like uh like reality TV like gossip pages and stuff. So there's this one that I follow. Um, she's been getting DMs from people who live in this little town in Arkansas where they also live, and they're saying that what they're putting on TV is not right, like that's all bullshit. Like Hunter's dad did not leave the family, like he's like been involved in his life. Like the mom on the show is like saying that he's like a deadbeat dad and whatever, and like that's not true, like it's in the custody agreement, like he's there, like she's trying to make it sound him bad sound make him sound bad on TV because she's trying to get more custody of Hunter. Um, and they're saying like the the two families have like this weird relationship, and it sounds like maybe like Bella's parents are helping to financially support Hunter and his mom. And now on the show, Bella's mom, I think her name is Fallon. Fallon is giving like um vibes that she's in love with Hunter, like the 12-year-old or 13-year-old, the 13-year-old, like she's like obsessed with her daughter's boyfriend, and at one show they do like you know, talking head like interviews, and in one clip, Bella said like she's she was getting like fed up with him because he didn't want to go to like an ultrasound or a doctor's appointment or something, and she's like, and mom won't let me break up with Hunter, and I'm like okay, and it's like that kind of stuff, and then um the way they the so they have like talking head interviews, but they also do talking head interviews with like the parents there, so like they're talking openly about like their pregnancy with their parents there, right? So they Bella and Hunter Bella especially is like so open about her sex life in front of her parents, and it is like as like a 35-year-old married woman with two children. I'm like, I could not imagine talking like that in front of my parents, like uh, and like she was talking like oh Hunter's like Hunter, her 13-year-old boyfriend, she's like, Oh, he's he's like a rabbit, he just wants to go all the time. And I'm like, and they're they asked him that this last episode just aired this week on Monday. They're like, What's the longest you guys have gone without having sex? And he's like, probably when she was in the hospital, meaning giving birth to their baby. I'm like, You have like a day, like a day. You have to wait after you Well, that's like before she got before she had birth. They were saying, like, once they started having sex, they were having sex every single day at the ages of 12 and 14.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

Yeah. Uh and so she asked him, she's like, Are you gonna be able to wait this six weeks? And he's like, Yeah, and I'm like, You I and I know people don't, but it's not a very good idea. And the clip, so they're at Bella's house, this last episode. Uh she just she had the baby, they're home from the hospital, and her mom's like found's like her mom found and said, Oh, Bella, are you gonna go take a shower? She's like, Yeah, and you go, she goes, with Hunter, and she's like, Yeah. And Hunter just walks into the bathroom and they go to take a shower together in like Bella's parents' home, with Bella's parents in the other room taking care of their baby, and this 13 and 15-year-old are taking a shower together in their house, and it's like no one, it's like no big deal in this household, and it like blows my fucking mind. And like, she's like, Well, nothing worse is gonna happen. We already had a baby. I was like, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Um, and then they also have another one, so yeah, and they were also like in one of the talking head interviews. Um, she okay, this girl, okay, she's 15 years old, okay. And and then I got like even embarrassed to like recite what she said. And she they were talking about their sex life again, and she was like, Yeah, like Hunter wants to have anal sex all the time. He thinks that's better. And she's like, but I'm not letting that happen. It's like that's a one-way poop shoot. And I'm like, I'm like, what the?

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Personally, when I was 15, I barely knew what anal sex was. Like I had no clue. I was like, I'm not not even sure what.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

I don't even want to say it on this podcast because my mom listens to this.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

You're like, mom, I don't even know what that is now.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

And I'm like, you are 15 talking about how your 13-year-old boyfriend wants to do that in front, like talk about it in front of your parents. As you're like heavily pregnant. So it is like very like not good.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

I'm gonna have to watch this show.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

And now, so like they're on TikTok, and I think like it's like Fallon and Bella, like they have like a joint TikTok account, and they're like on TikTok trying to like defend themselves and make it out like people are like bad, bad mouthing them. That's like it's like I know like reality TV there's like edits and like you know they can producers can make like the storyline not look that great, but like this is pretty obvious what is happening here.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Yeah, even if you they like prompted that, you could still be like, no, I don't I'd really rather not say that in front of my mom.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Like you could even say it separately, but like and like in a lot of their TikTok clips on online, Hunter looks very much like um what's the one looking for? Like, I don't know, like disconnected or like zoned out. Like he looks like he's like trapped in this relationship and like can't leave. He probably is, and people are like, free Hunter, but I'm like this whole like dynamic with with like the not just the teenagers but like the parents, it's like all very interconnected. I know it's like Arkansas and things get weird out there, but like it's very like bizarro and like I think it's just like sad overall. Like I can't believe a 13-year-old child having a baby is just like wild to me. Like at 35, I barely know how to like have like raise a baby you're 13, you're in middle school, and he's also like failing middle school. Of course, like how could you not right?

SPEAKER_01 41:34

It's just like bizarro.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

I 100% have to watch this after you have to finish 90 Day Fiance, and it's good because like um a lot of the seasons they have uh cast members like repeat, and so like you're kind of catching up on a storyline, but this season it's all new cast members, so like you can watch from the beginning fresh stories about all of them. I mean, they're all all the stories are I think there's like four couples on there, they're all like train wrecks, but perfect because like they're teenagers, so of course they are like if I had a baby as a teenager, it would be not good. Not good. I don't know, I was talking to my um friends who have kids, like of that are my age, and we're all talking about how like we're all so tired, and I was like, maybe we should have had kids in our like 20s. Like then I think I was talking to Alyssa about this the other day, and I said, We should have had kids when we were living in that apartment together. She's like, What when we were like 22? And I said children, yeah, like our parents had us in their early 20s, like we turned out fine, and I was like, they they would have like raised themselves at this point.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

No, that would have no absolutely not 22. You'd have a 13-year-old. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Um, which is like what my mom did. My mom had me when she was 21, which is like I I like I wasn't going to trivia night at the bog and like going to sheets afterwards and coming home eating mozzarella sticks, like on my futon. There's no way we could have that we could have raised a child. With like 10 with 10 ginglings like sitting in my gut. Like we're no it's good. It's good to wait. Um there's this girl that I went to um school with, and she was like the first like teenage pregnancy in my grade. And I know you probably didn't experience that because you went to a Catholic school with like three people. We had pr we had a teen couple teen pregnancies in my school. I'm surprised. Yeah, we didn't. I went to school and you had 80,000 people at. like in like the city and not not like New York City but like New East City. Um but the f the one of the first girls to get pregnant um we had a actually one or two people get pregnant in middle school but they were like there and gone but in high school the one girl that was like the prominent one she got pregnant when she was 15 or had the baby when she was 15 and um in theory right now she could be a grandmother she could uh because if her her child had a child when she was young she would be a grandmother now can you imagine can you imagine me being a grandma oh my god you will be a grandma one day maybe I don't know I'm sure people I'm sure people told Barb that same thing oh my god don't say that Easter is coming she is a grandma to Ruby and Remy she is she's got her little grandbabies Ruby and Rami and that's all she's getting but uh yeah I would uh if you like some trash reality TV it's a good one I've been yeah I've been really getting back into 90 Day Fiancé I love 90 Day Fiance I used to watch it and then I kind of like fell off and I used to be really into it especially during COVID and I'm like you know what why did I stop?

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Because this is so good.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

90 Day Fiance was my maternity leave show for Remy. Oh that's good it's incredible um what else do we have to talk about did you speak of reality TV did you see another Duggar got arrested? I did the fucking little pedophile for yeah sex sexual assault of a child or you know what I wasn't even it you can't be surprised no not at all little freaks was it John Duggar I think so I don't I but they all look the same to me. Their J names with all their J names there's Josh Duggar was the one with the child porn that's the oldest one right yeah yeah and then okay the other one is Joseph Joseph Duggar that's the the other one that got arrested Joseph Duggar and his wife got arrested too apparently she knew what was happening as well imagine knowing that your husband did that and not killing them. Child molestation case and uh he posted a$6000 bond in Florida so he's out and about it sounds like I can't I just can't imagine being complicit to your husband's childhood child any kind of abuse but you know so many women do and it's like absolutely disgusting. It's strange it's these women are like well well the Doug's I'm not surprised because they marry these women who are like insecure have no like worldly insight into anything. Right like and I wouldn't be surprised if they marry women who themselves have been molested. Probably it's like the whole that whole family is like they're disgusting. Sick. Except the ones that like the ones I got always at like Jill Jill Duggard and she like a good one but she's surprised she's a girl yeah the girls are the ones that like know what they're doing. Figured it out in the world of politics did you see what happened with Christine Dome's husband the that he's cross dressing.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Yeah which there's nothing wrong with cross dressing absolutely not but when you publicly talk about hating trans people weird but also like how embarrassing with like the picks that got leaked I was thinking about that I'm thinking like all the pics of all the picks to get leaked you you could have done better.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

Like you could have done more than just balloons in your shirt you have the money to get better better equipment.

SPEAKER_01 48:31

You can do better for sure I think I did better in sixth grade to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

But you know what blows my mind about this whole thing is that like they immediately the gnome family immediately did not deny it. They like owned up to it ASAP. They're gonna be like trans activists now and someone asked Trump about it and he was like I don't know anything about it like did they they admit it to it and they're like yeah like Christy Gnome's spokesperson said like you know they ask for privacy during this time and he was like wow I'm I'm real that's really sad. I'm really surprised about that like does no one on your team talk to one another that's like a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Yeah that's like the whole but I actually thought it was a joke when I first saw it. Like I thought I did too like an onion article or something but oh my god yeah come on dude get be better at it at least it it's always the ones that are like heavily anti LGBT that have a little secret to get a little spice but that and then I saw uh Cash Patel there was he got hacked and they released videos of him like being a weirdo just like dancing around in like his mansion and stuff and I'm like I don't know like what does it say about our security that the director of the FBI's like private videos got leaked like I think by Iran like come on have you also been following the discourse surrounding Mandani's wife I have I've been following that a little bit I what do you think about that what's your opinion about that I think that she's not the mayor of New York City so whatever so if you don't if you're not up to sp up to par with this her I don't even remember what her name is honestly I just know that it's his wife I don't want to be disrespectful I don't want to be disrespectful either she's a lovely woman like I mean she's very pretty she's super pretty Rama Duwa Duwahi Rama Duwahi so someone uncovered a tweet from what 20 years ago I mean at 20 or then 20 maybe maybe a little bit maybe like 15 and in the tweet Rama uses the N word and people are using this against her of course we there's no reason F word F slur Yeah there's no reason that anyone should be using those words especially in this day and age was from 2013 it looks like okay so it's like yeah like yeah 13 years ago like yeah thir oh so however is this like actually really where we need to be throwing stones at like we all said very st stupid things so here okay here's the thing so this was 13 years ago okay so she was 15 years old okay and I know at 15 years old I'm sure I I don't know if it was on internet but I'm sure I have said stuff that was inappropriate and politically incorrect and I'm sorry that's just part of like being a teenager like you're you're stupid you don't know what you're saying and the the weight behind the words you say a lot a lot of the time and unfortunately in 2013 teenagers were heavily online like we were unmonitored on the internet.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Yes all the time and at that point like I know it was always that the internet's forever at at that age and I think now teenagers still don't understand what that means when someone says the internet is forever I think she should probably like not apologize because I don't really know if it warrants an apology but more so speak on that she was a teenager like obviously I don't view things the same way as I did when I was 15 years old like something along those lines but I also don't know that she is like the first lady of New York City in the way that like a lot of other first ladies of like cities or or states act in a sense of wanting that I don't know siege. Yeah or like having involvement in like different types of political theater really so I don't know like I don't know if she's like yeah I am the first lady of New York City or if she's like no I'm I'm the wife of the mayor of New York City. I think there's a distinction there.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

Yeah I didn't I personally didn't know much about her except for that she was his wife until this incident occurred which nothing actually occurred. Nothing happened right and but yeah no everyone said you can look in your I can look at my Facebook right the fuck now in my memories and find something mortifying that I said oh 13 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

There's also like issue that there was oh sorry um that she liked social media posts that celebrate the October 7th attacks uh in Israel so there's like stuff related to like Gaza and Israel so there's that too.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Yeah there's that's a different layer yeah altogether of course but that one in particular I think I think we're we're really looking at the wrong stuff here. Like we're pulling what is what is the phrase I'm looking for grasping at straws. Yeah we're grasping at the exact wrong straws. Yeah like there are way bigger things we should be talking about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

No I don't think saying those things are is acceptable I don't think that you should be saying those things but I also think that when you're 15 years old you do a lot of stupid shit yeah and like there's like online p debate on is she really a private citizen when you are married to the mayor of New York City and I'm like I don't know like I'm sure when if you're married to someone who's running for political office that that is a conversation you have about like my husband's running for office or whatever but I don't know that that necessarily means that like because my husband is the mayor that means I have to take on a political role right as well.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

I agree yeah and also I think that that's what they're pulling up is so insignificant that it's something that I wouldn't even think of.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

I wouldn't think that if something happened right now and I became part in the public eye that someone would look up a tweet that I made 13 years ago. I don't even know what kinds of tweets I made 13 years ago no neither I'm sure they weren't intelligent they weren't politically correct.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

And you know they say the internet is forever but like where's my MySpace page exactly where's my form spring page where's my greatest journal page where's my zanga nowhere I still have my WordPress I still have the login for it but it's never I never had a WordPress.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Oh it's mine's private every once in a while I read it I think I did have a WordPress but I don't think I ever like really got into it. I loved my WordPress.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

I definitely had a Tumblr I just don't know where it is yeah it's gone because mine's definitely gone it's in the ether is Tumblr still around where is our where's our Tumblr's Tumblr I don't know where our Tumblr are but Tumblr is around I it's a big thing in Girl World start with Girl World I have no updates on Girl World Amberlyn Reed is still unmonetized as far as I know unfortunately but that's all I got thanks um thanks for carrying this episode I don't know you carried a good part of this episode with your your little ditty my little topic um yeah the other thing is I I'm like super into like reality TV as we know um and I know you don't watch it but I think you really need to get into the secret lives of Mormon wives.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

You know I pass it a lot and I think about you saying that every time I pass it like one day.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

Not just the show like the show you have to get into but I think you also need to like get into the internet drama with the cast members because it's all very like incestuous and like lots of different layers and it's it's too much for me to get in get into on this episode. It's too layered but I think you need to get into it.

SPEAKER_01 58:03

Okay you won't but I might alright I've already started trying to get back in okay I might um I don't watch anything else so I know like you probably can watch 90 day fiance for like years but this is different I need to I need to broaden my horizons. I'm looking for more intellectual opportunities.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

Okay well then don't watch reality TV if that's what you're looking for because no I need something that will be my trash instead of looking at my phone. Okay and here's the thing actually I take that back I think it is intellectual because with reality TV especially Secret Lives of Mormon Wives there's like so many cast members and so many storylines to follow I think truly it's no different than like Game of Thrones because in Game of Worlds you have so many different storylines and like intersectionalities and I think that's the same thing as Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

I think that's very fair.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

And it's happening in real time it's real life kind of that's my that's my hot take that's Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is the same caliber as Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

It's intellectual it's good for your brain yes extremely good for your brain I actually I actually can see that argument and think I think it makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

If I were to go back to school I would get some kind of like PhD in like cultural studies related to reality TV and it's like intersectionality and impact on something that's where my thought process ends because I watch reality TV and my my brain synapses are not firing off.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

I would love to get an even more useless degree than the one that I have now sounds phenomenal. Do you know that my what I really wanted my degree to be and I really fought in my school for this let me let me just tell you and if you this will be a perfect perfect proof of how the brain before the brain develops the shit that fires off I really thought that the psychology of a literature would be a good okay or like psychology in literature would be a great major yeah sounds like you'd be making a a lot of money doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

I would be making approximately thirty thousand dollars per year if you like like the psychology in literature meaning like this psych like the psychoanalyst of literary figures is it like that or no I don't even remember I think I think that no because I took I think what I wanted was how to it was like take literature and relate it to mental health like use it in mental health I went to a therapist and they told me I think you need to read a classic novel Wuthering Heights I like slit my throat in session. Well that's exactly what I wanted to do with my life that's exactly what I was looking for like thanks for coming to therapy this is turning into a book club you're assigned catcher in the eye we're gonna talk about it aka you and me are gonna have a book club about it and that's what I wanted this whole time and I remember like genuinely being like I think this is a good idea like I think this is a great idea I think it's gonna help a lot of people like I could just see myself like when I was like in my deep deep depression and going to therapy like twice a week and I could just see myself crying in bed reading like a classic novel really being on the edge here.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

It's like I needed like a Zanax and it's like um the grapes of wrath and I'm like here you want me to read this it has nothing to do with and Mary was like we got a whole program we you're credited it's fine but yeah that's what I really thought would be a good plan. I really did and yeah you would think like oh the literate the psychology of now that I'm like talking about the psychology of the characters like oh how that would be like a cool interesting thing for like a half of a semester but I was like it's gonna change it's gonna solve the world like instead of art therapy it'd be like literate literature therapy my therapist would be like I think you need to read Waiting for Godot and I'm like I need like Lexapro please I'm gonna jump off a bridge I don't need a book here I brought you this today and they're like uh it's gonna take me three months I don't have that time I love that though I love that that was your uh your big plan yeah I really thought it was so good in in theory it it could be okay I think for like little kids I think like that would have been good for like you it sounds like you just wanted to read to escape your psychological problem I just needed help and nobody wanted to help they're like she okay I'm like let's make it a major and they're like you need medicine yeah well I still think that's what we should do. Assigned us all a book each week we can all read it together. But it has to be like classic literature too for sure it has to be the I'm looking at my bookshelf because I have all my books still from like um I was really into like of old American literature and I still have all the books. You're a Huckleberry fan from like a Huckleberry fan I'm gonna kill myself but yeah that's what I was into.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

Still got them all love it I love that couldn't tell you what any of them are about but I got them all marked up oh god that was and that's what AI is trying to take report AI can't think of that AI could never come up with literature psychology what's AI gonna do give me the crisis hotline?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:00

No thank you I need a book report you need to write this report I do want to read Wuthering Heights though it's on my list.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

I haven't read it before I like pretended to read that in high school when it was assigned to me I'm like I can't read this is stupid I I do want to read it no one's listening to this anymore maybe your mom she's like oh no she logged off when we start talking about anal sex in nature I can't do this oh god okay well um thanks for that uh the moon landing is was fake and we should be reading classic literature to cure your depression so um follow us on Instagram subscribe like you