... But What Do We Know?
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... But What Do We Know?
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Welcome back to another thrilling episode of But What Do We Know? Podcast. Come join us in a riveting discussion about... laundry (lol), the rescued beagles, the Tanner Horner trial, the Trump assassination "attempt" (anotha one!), the Hantavirus (giving covid vibes), and the missing scientists that the government totally had nothing to do with.
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Hi everybody, welcome to But What Do We Know podcast. I'm Marissa. And I'm Anna. And we're back after like a long time. Yeah, I people for that we just like we just stopped. Yeah, it's um been a crazy couple weeks. Oh, has it? I mean I mean it's been busy. It's been busy. What's what's new with you? What's going on?
SPEAKER_00Nothing. Just life. Just life. Uh, you know, I still have a a baby that doesn't sleep through the night, so not even at all. She slept through the night once her entire life. Oh my god. She's uh up two to three times a night. And uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01She's just so excited about life.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, sh it's great. Um she's really enthusiastic about waking up in the middle of the night. And um, I don't know. It's just everyone's like, uh, you know. It's like I don't really there's like this whole like mom debate of like sleep, do you sleep train or you do do you not sleep train? I mean with every parenting choice, there's like fucking two sides to it, but uh I'm just like not into like the sleep training, so I'm just like I don't know, like Remy kind of like primed me to like not sleep, so I'm I like don't mind not sleeping with her, like I'm just like used to it. Would I like to sleep through the night? Of course, but I'm just like you know, eventually they'll they'll sleep through the night, I guess.
SPEAKER_01I don't even understand what sleep training is, like what does that mean? What are you training for?
SPEAKER_00There's like there's like different methods to like train babies to like sleep through the night, like 10-12 hours, and like there's there's like sleep consultants, like baby sleep consultants out there, and when I tell you they charge a fortune, it's disgusting. And and there's like methods where you can it's gonna be like as little intervention as like you read like they sell you a fucking PDF guide and you follow their guide, and then it goes all the way up to like they come into your home and sleep train your child for you at night while you're like in your room and they s train the child to sleep, and like there's different methods, like there's like the Ferber method, like the most aggressive one is like cry it out, we just let them cry until they've put themselves back to sleep, but like Ferber method is like you go and check in every couple of minutes after they stop if after they start crying and then pat their back or pick them up, whatever. So there's like different like methods involved to all of it, and I'm just like not into any of it, sounds kind of awful, yeah. And like there's sleep consultants on TikTok, there's like a ton of them, and there's some that are like my method does not involve any crying out, and I'm like, I don't know, like then what does it involve? And like I'm not buying your guide to like teach me, and what it really is like, and this is what I because when with Rami, like we had a really bad like like stretch of sleep with him, or no sleep, I should say, and I was like this close to like giving a sleep consultant all my money because like we were at our wit's end. But what I learned as a second-time mom is that it's all just like a ploy to get ma money from vulnerable first-time parents, so it's like when you're in the thick of it as a first-time parent, you don't see that because like you just want sleep and your life is so different. But the second one, you're like, No, it's just it's fine, it's just how it is, they'll figure it out. She's tough though, because she doesn't take a binky, so like she can't use that to like self-soothe, and she's um breastfed, so she wants to like be nursed all the time. And in comparison to Remy, Remy was not much to nurse for comfort. He pretty much got there for his nutrients and bounced out. Um, she's very much a comfort nurser, so oh I don't know, it's just like eventually she won't be. So it's whatever. It's fine. I'm I'm very much also I'm like the her being my second and last one. Um it's very much like you see how quickly they grow up, and you're I'm just like she's just a baby. But every morning when she wakes up for the day after like being up two or three times a night, I I walk into her room and she's like smiling. I'm like, you are so lucky you're cute. Because you drive me fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_01That's how they get, that's how they catch it, because they're cute.
SPEAKER_00But um, yeah, that's that's me just that and you know, work and that stuff. Oh, I'm back on my health, my health stuff. Oh, I know it. Oh, don't I know it. We're we're tracking macros over here.
SPEAKER_01And you know what? I'm fucking hungry again. Like, that's the part that's annoying. Because I started well, uh I was like doing I was, you know, kind of whatever maintaining, and then I knew this person it was pin fest and stuff, so I was like, okay, I'm gonna be like a little easier with myself, and then I really need to like lock in and literally like day two of walking in, and I don't know how I'm gonna do it.
SPEAKER_00Like right now, my calorie intake is 1800 calories a day because I'm breastfeeding and it's not recommended to go below that while you're breastfeeding. And even that, I'm like, oh my god, this is like no food. So when I actually do a calorie deficit when I'm not breastfeeding, like in previous years, it my calorie limit was like 1500 calories. And I'm like, what the fuck? Being a woman fucking sucks.
SPEAKER_01Absolute torture of all times.
SPEAKER_00Like you're telling me I need to eat 1500 calories, but also get like 120 grams of protein and 25 grams of fiber. How the fuck am I supposed to do that? And also have like an active lifestyle?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I can't do it for the rest of my life? And I'll like and like stimulate your brain and clean your house and 10,000 steps.
SPEAKER_00Be mentally okay.
SPEAKER_01No, I can't I can't do it all.
SPEAKER_00You're doing it with kids, so I mean, we're barely surviving over here. We're just like making a day by day.
SPEAKER_01We um we passed our like busy season, so and in our household our life is absolute chaos from like it's always absolute chaos, but like I'll say I feel like your life is busy all year round. It's always busy, but from the months of like March to May is insanity. Like something every weekend, something every almost every night during the week, like absolute insanity. And now we're like on the back end of that, so it's kind of like trying to like ease back into normal life. Yeah. Um trying to think, like, there's nothing really new with me um in the world. I'm just like working and we had our Pinfest party this weekend. It's like our big party we have every year. We have like 60 people in our house. And um, I don't think I've recovered. I'm not like not even like a drinking way and like a staying up late way. Yeah, yeah. Like over stimulation. Over overstimulation. My social battery was oh yeah. Like wonderful, happy to see everybody, but happy to see you, but I don't want to see you again.
SPEAKER_00Right. I need to breathe. I don't know how you do it, because like I was at uh my cousin's house for a birthday party the other day, and like she loves hosting. Like she loves having people over, and I just like don't like it. And like if I like have to have people over, I'll do it, but I don't like go out of my way. I I think I'm good at hosting because I have so much anxiety around hosting, like I'm afraid like I want everything to be perfect, and I want everyone to like have a good time and like not worry about anything, but like that just drives up my anxiety, so the event goes on fine, yeah, but I hate all of it.
SPEAKER_01I so here's my problem with this, and it's the same thing of why I get myself into like weird exercise situations because I always have like I'm always like, yeah, you know what? Let's let's try it, let's do it. And then during the time that I'm doing it, I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, this is so stupid. And then at the end, I'm like, well, that was actually really nice. I'm gonna do that again. And then like it's a vicious fucking cycle.
SPEAKER_00Mm-mm. Yeah, I don't know. I can't relate. Like, I'm I'm like behind in planning uh Ruby's birthday party. Like her birthday is in July, right? And it's currently May, and by now I would have like a venue book, I would have like a theme, like down and um nothing. Yeah, it's funny. But it's just that's like it's always something though. It's like every couple like every two months, there's like fucking something like that. And this week it's teacher appreciation week. So I didn't I didn't get the teachers any fucking gifts yet. It's all tomorrow's Wednesday. I have nothing ready for the teachers, so I have to get them something by Friday. Ooh. And usually, and this is the other thing that I'm like having a drama about is sorry, I'm making a noise with my bronze phone. Um, with teacher appreciation week is like what to get them. Because like in previous years, I got I would get like I don't know, little like gift bags with like summer essentials, like like sunblock and like you know, crystal light drinks and like just like little things. It's cute, and like I would usually put it in like some kind of like cup or like a some vessel for them to have, and then like I found out like through Reddit that teachers hate that, and I'm like, what do you mean? They're like just give us cash or gift cards. I'm like, uh oh, okay, like I'm sorry. Like, please, no more cups, no more mugs. I'm like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_01Maybe I'm not a teacher, so I don't like get this stuff, but I love little things like that.
SPEAKER_00I do too. Like the one year I found little at Target um little cups that like for summer, and it was in the shape of like a strawberry, and it kind of looked like an apple, but it was a strawberry with like a little straw in it, it was like a plastic cup, it was like a cute like a little summer cup to have like pool side. And I put like stuff that I think teachers would use. I put like hand sanitizer, hand lotion, I put like little scrunchies, I put like crystal light packets, like iced coffee little packets, um like chapstick, like I put like all these little things in there, and then Reddit says they teachers hate that.
SPEAKER_01That's bullshit because I love because I like it. So it's bullshit, but no, I one of my favorite kind of gifts to get, and like this is definitely like a growing up with my mom kind of thing, but I love a little thing of like little trinkets, like little um little makeup, like stuff, and it's like stuff that's like practical, not just like just like throw away like a little apple or something, like a ceramic apple. Great, something that you could like that you'll have in your purse, and you'll and one day when you're like, oh my god, I really need this, like blah blah blah. You're like, oh shit, I have it.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. That's what I thought too, but Reddit says no. And Reddit says no food because we don't want your food. We don't want like I'm like that. We don't want like liquor because we don't not other everyone drinks. Okay, I understand that, but like literally you go on Reddit. I I was on the early early educators subreddit, something like that, and literally it all said cash, gift cards. That's it. And I'm like, oh that's excuse me. No one's gonna give you a lot of cash, like people like the one year I gave them it wasn't for teacher appreciation. I think I try to like go out of my way with these teachers. The one year I I got them a fucking like Halloween gift because I was like, oh, like they they put on you know the parade for the kids. And I just got them like I forget what it was, like five or ten dollar like Duncan gift cards, like something small, like for Halloween, because like why am I giving teachers a Halloween present? Because I'm psycho. So I'm like, that was cute, but like I thought I was gonna do something different for a teacher appreciation week, but I guess not.
SPEAKER_01No, I remember like my mom used to do that because my mom used to work at Hallmark, so she make them little like um like she'd get them really cute little like mugs, and because remember how Hallmark used to be like they had all this like random shit. So she'd always make these cute little baskets for my teachers, yeah. And they were like, Oh, these are so cute, like what and I was always so impressed and like thank you. I picked it out myself. Like I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I think I might still do the little trinkets because they're already in my target cart target cart on the app, so I might just still do it. It's fun and cute. So sorry, teachers, you hate it.
SPEAKER_01A little, like then a little kid coming up to me like, give you presents, like you don't want it to hand you cash.
SPEAKER_00That's weird. Remy walking in and like slapping them like a tennis.
SPEAKER_01I would feel weird if Remy handed me cash. I think that's weird. I think they're lying like hey, happy teacher appreciation we're plus buy yourself something nice.
SPEAKER_00Give yourself something nice, kid. Like, ew. Yeah, no. And also, like, maybe it's different if he had like they had one teacher, but like they each have two teachers and a floater. So, like, I'm buying multiple gifts. Right. Yeah, I think you're fine. Okay, thanks. You're welcome.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. So what's going on? In like the world and stuff, there's like a lot going on since we've been on here, but also nothing. I literally have no idea the last time we recorded. I don't remember either. Actually, um, one of the maintenance guys I work with listens to our podcast. Yeah. He's and he goes, Where were you guys? He's like, I haven't seen anything come out. Is everything okay? And I'm like, Oh you know what? It is. I said we're recording this weekend. He's like, Oh, okay, good. I'll be listening. I'm like, thanks, and oh, that's so nice. Yeah, he's so nice. He's he's a celebrity too. I want to have him come on here. A celebrity. I'll have to tell you. I'll have to tell you, he's like a he's really cool. Um I'm trying to think of the things that I want to talk what I wanted to talk about.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01Uh let me start off on a ha with a happy thing. Okay. Okay. Did you see the bay the beagles that got rescued?
SPEAKER_00I saw like one little thing about it. I didn't I didn't get into depth with it.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so let me let me just tell you. It's actually like sad but happy at the same time, of course. Um so 1500 beag I 1,500 beagles just got rescued from a testing and research or research and breeding facility in called Ridge Ridgeland Farms. And they um they started in May, like, well, the beginning of this month, which was like four days ago. And they're still going and they're like working across the US and stuff. But they have um this like place, they have I don't even know, thousands of beagles that they're doing thousands testing. Yeah, they're doing testing on for like I believe Procter and Gamble is a huge one. So fun fact, don't get anything Procter and Gamble because they actually test it on Beagles.
SPEAKER_00And like everything's Procter and Gamble.
SPEAKER_01Yup, it's very hard, but you can you can make it happen. They like Dawn, they inject it in their eyes and stuff. It's really fucked up. Which is wild because they use Dawn to clean little little ducks. I know. So you can get many other things, just don't get Procter and Gamble. But they rescued um 1,500 Beagles. It was mainly this group, this group called the Big Dog Ranch Rescue, and then the Center for Humane Economy. They negotiated with this place. They were like, We'll buy the dogs from you. Like we want them out. And they got out they got out 1,500 just recently, and they purchased them, they bought them from them a fucking course. They had tried to break in before, but they got tear gassed.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the cops came after this group. They rescued they s they ended up rescuing like 30, but then they tried to sue them and everything like that. It was a whole fucking mess. But they they legally got out 1,500. Um they're like being distributed to uh shelters, and they have like a huge list for adoptions for them, which is so nice. And they still have 500 dogs at the facility, but this is after like years of protest and stuff, and it's one of the largest animal rescues in the United States. That's so funny. But they said the beagle, so like beagles are commonly used for this shit because they're very like forgiving, loving dogs.
SPEAKER_00Stop, I was gonna ask why they use beagles.
SPEAKER_01They're very like trustworthy. Or not trustworthy, they are very trusting. Yeah. Which is absolutely fucking devastating. Um, and the people that are rescuing said that they just like came to them. Like they're not scared of people even through all of it. They just want like and then I saw today somebody got the every dog a pop cup. So, yeah, if you want to go down a rabbit hole, and I highly suggest because I started doing this like uh maybe a year-ish ago. Well, I always like knew a bit about it, but once I started learning more, we stopped buying things that like are tested on animals because I didn't realize animal testing was quite so horrific.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was for when I was vegetarian, I was very up on brands that test on animals. I've fallen a little bit from it, but like I try making sure that most of my products are not tested on animals.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, we um I got a really good deal on laundry detergent, which is fucked up to say, but um, excuse me, it was like$40 for like 300 laundry pods and sophomore and scent beads.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_01So I was like, alright, I'm gonna do this because the the economy, am I right? But everything else. I don't I don't fuck with that shit. But yeah.
SPEAKER_00Speaking of laundry, have you heard of like are you on laundry tick tock? Um, probably. Okay, so apparently there is like very strong opinions in the world on the internet about laundry detergent and like particularly homemade laundry detergent and how it's like the worst thing ever. I can imagine. Well, do you know the one um influencer? She was like a a mom, like young mom, uh Maya Knight. She had the twins. Okay, you know, like Scout and Violet. Okay. Yes. So she made a TikTok where she like made her own laundry detergent. She's like, I found this recipe, and my friend used it, so I'm making this laundry detergent, and it was just buying ingredients from Amazon and mixing it together, and it was like literally like Epsom salt, um, washer, washing powder, and like baking soda, like like the those were like three ingredients. And the comments were like wild, and people were like calling her out about how like like this is not cleaning your clothes, like, where's the soap? Like, where's like the stuff that cleans your clothing? And they're like, also, this is like kill your plumbing and kill your washer. Like, don't do this. And then, like, I started going down like a rabbit hole, and there are like TikTok accounts, like, there's a laundry influencers, like people whose like they're you know how people put like their name and then like line, and then they put like a description of what they do, yeah. And like, so I've seen people like their name and their description is like lo like laundry expert like and like people talking about like the bane of their existence is people making homemade laundry detergent and I was like I didn't know if this was like a whole like subculture on the internet.
SPEAKER_01I love I love doing laundry so I get it.
SPEAKER_00I fucking hate doing laundry. I I can I don't mind doing it but folding and putting it away. That does suck but I love the smells I love the see I don't like no like I get like everything fragrance free like I don't do like any like the beads and stuff I don't do any of that and uh but it reminded me like when I I got when I got laid off from a job like the only time I ever got laid off of I was unemployed for like maybe like three weeks like it it wasn't very long but it was the first time I didn't have like any jobs like I was like going a little stir crazy. So I started like making at home everything like I made homemade laundry detergent I made homemade toothpaste I made like homemade like everything it was when I was living in the apartment with Alyssa and I was like she would like come home from work I'm like I made homemade laundry detergent for us to use and she's like do I have to use it I was like I made homemade toothpaste oh this like tastes really bad it's just drained up baking soda and a little bit of water she put up with like a lot with me so salty um hold on really quick because I am really thirsty and now we're talking about salty things so yeah so anyway don't apparently don't make your own uh laundry detergent at home it's a big no no and you will get in trouble on the internet. Well good I wasn't actually thinking about doing that so um well oh yeah so that we got one from Beagles to laundry detergent detergent laundry detergent um I do use usually Molly suds if you need a good I've heard good things about Molly suds I like Molly suds um yeah I don't know I just I'm like I just buy like fragrance free detergent well I I bought it originally because of the kids because I like was nervous about like skin sensitivity but so now I'm like well not buying separate laundry detergent for me and Eric so we just all have you all have fragrance free which it's a a shame that I don't like doing laundry because I have a new laundry room now so when I saw your laundry room I was like that would be fantastic for me yeah we're just in our basement yeah it looks nice but I'm like well I have to do work in there your little Cinderella um breaking news on the Tanner Horner case. It's all over now yeah um have you like seen any of that stuff from the case? Yeah so when you said his name at first I didn't recognize but um I I figured out it was the with Athena Athena the little girl I saw when it came out and I remember seeing parts of the I didn't watch all of it of course I just didn't want to um watching the footage from the truck but ugh horrific it's so sad so if you don't know what this case is there was well I guess I guess it's like over now but um there was a case this man Tanner Horner he was a FedEx driver and in twenty twenty four was it twenty twenty four no sorry twenty twenty two twenty twenty two he was um en route delivering packages and he was delivering a was a a package that was gonna be a Christmas gift for Athena strand to her dad's house and she was outside playing and he fucking abducted her and I h her stepmom noticed that she was missing and she like she thought she was just like missing like she didn't know where she went so she was like looking for her and then it ended up being like a a search effort um and then her body was found I think like two days later naked and um whatever an investigation ensued and this man Athena Strand was seven years old by the way she was a a literal little baby child and um it was found out that Tanner Horner was he took her in his truck and his original claim was that he hit her with his truck so he took her because he was afraid that she was gonna tell her dad but um there's the FedEx cars have trucks have cameras inside of them so the camera footage showed that she was not hit she was perfectly fine and he just abducted her and he told her like you're really pretty you know and like she's like where where are we going? Do you live here and like just asking like such like innocent questions and then um he at one point she like catches on like she asks like are you a kidnapper like my mom said I want my mom and like he ended up like covering the camera in his truck because you could see him driving and she was like standing in that walkway between the cab and the back of the truck. And at one point he covers the camera but the audio was still playing and he takes her in the back of the truck and uh her autopsy showed that she had blunt force trauma but she died of strangle strangulation so it I think what happened was he tried to break her neck to kill her but couldn't break his her neck so he strangled her to death um and um the autopsy said there was no signs of sexual assault which I found to be interesting. Right. Not that I would have wanted her to go through that's just not common. Yeah. Um and so he was arrested like they like I said like originally he said that he hit her and that's why he killed her but he ended up confessing to what happened and um there was no trial for a guilty verdict because he confessed to it like he pled guilty. But they had a trial for sentencing and it was um a capital murder case so their jury had to decide between a life sentence and a death sentence and they played the trial on TV on court TV and it was like so heartbreaking like Athena's mom testified and Athena's favorite color was pink and her mom dyed her hair pink she wore like bright pink clothes. Very sweet her mom's testimony like fucking killed me like she was talking about having to go identify her body and um afterwards I think she was like obviously like shell shocked and she said like afterwards I I didn't I know what to do so like I went to Walmart to find a dress for her to like she was so cold and I'm like um and then her Athena's dad testified and her parents are were divorced um but it seemed like they had a good like co-parenting relationship and her dad um testified too and like he looked like a like a tougher guy but he just looked like so void of emotion like so like broken by it um I felt so bad for him and then her stepmom testified and like the amount of guilt her stepmom I can't even imagine. Because she the Athena was just playing in like in front of her house like any fucking kid would like a normal kid. Uh and uh so then they had like witnesses for Tanner and like his mom testified. And like his mom by the way that fucking phone call yeah again yeah and like they were trying to say like oh like he has a history of like mental illnesses and his mom was a stripper and she drank when she was pregnant like I don't I don't fucking care and so they try to have like this defense of him like he had like an alternate personality named Zero and that took over I'm like don't care like trash trash trash tomato tomato tomato tomato like um and like it's just like like like obviously like horrible things happen every day unfortunately but like seeing like the depravity of this like you fucking killed her for no reason a fucking little baby girl and like it just like brings you like back to reality of like how fucking like vile the human species but like men are yeah it was yeah it's just like there's something about the fact that she was like my not conscious because of course she was conscious but like she was aware kind of aware of what was going on at such a young age and she was like I want my mom like something's wrong.
SPEAKER_01That is when like to me that's what separates like a bad person from being an evil person. Do you know what I mean? Where you're like if you're a really shitty you can be a shitty person and be like you know what I'm gonna let you go because I hit I I hit you or whatever the fuck he was gonna say. Do you know like I don't know I'm not trying to like give anybody any kind of credibility here.
SPEAKER_00But then to be like yeah well you know what's going on so I better fucking strangle you to death like and like that's so intimate of a way to kill anyone but especially a child like you're a fucking full grown man and she weighed like what like 50 pounds maybe and what what did you want with her? What were you gonna do with her? Mersa it was his alternate personality it was just took over him. So oh and then what I meant wanted to say is that so part of the test the test or trial is they had to play the footage to the jury of the audio of her being murdered and her asking for her mom and crying for her mom and um they didn't play that on TV that was not live but um the jury had to hear that and like obviously her family left the courtroom that they didn't want to hear that but I feel like so bad for the jury having to hear that like that's haunting and they say like in those types of cases like counseling is set up for the jurors and like but I feel like like I know like jury duty is like everyone is subject to jury duty like it's just part of like your civic duty but I feel like people shouldn't have to be like obligated to do that. Like I think it takes like a certain type of person to be able to sit through that and like make an informed decision.
SPEAKER_01Right on I you know I mean like I think like that's I don't think a lot of people are are mentally capable of like hearing that and like not having them it totally break them like yeah and I don't imagine that there's a screening system for it is all that right there's no psychological screening for jury duty I don't think like I know there's certain questions that they ask you and stuff like that like that you have to go through but nothing that would prepare you.
SPEAKER_00And especially I think in a case like that where he's confessing like what are we listening to this for yeah yeah well yeah I and I think like the whole point is to decide like what is the appropriate punishment and so he was sentenced to death he did receive a death sentence and like I'm very like up in the air about the death sentence because there have been people who died I was gonna talk to you about this. Yeah there have been people who have died who were found to be innocent after their death which is absolutely horrible and tragic um but like I think so I'm like I get like the issue with the death penalty but like I think I wish there was a way that the death penalty is only applicable when there's like non-disputed evidence. Like this is on camera that he killed her. Like he did there's no question about who did it it was him death penalty. I'm okay with that.
SPEAKER_01Right right it's it's such a like it's such a touchy subject and I feel like I have been very back and forth on how I feel about it throughout the entirety of my life. Especially like since we started doing this podcast I've been like up and down like sometimes I'm like yes yes yes I think that's a great idea other times I think it's terrible and barbaric and um just awful but then I don't know I think in some cases it's definitely just it's justified like there's not there's nothing that makes it not nothing that keeping someone alive makes it better. Now there's like definitely the argument that how long is he gonna be sitting on death row for like how long are we going to be for him to be to be on death row like what is that how is that affecting him I think I think we have better uses for people like that. I think that we can do more things with people. I don't know if that's like the most ethical way but I don't think we should be testing on dogs. So like I think that we can they're in pure innocent little baby souls right that didn't do anything wrong. What are we doing with them when we have people we can use for that like I don't know and I said this at work the one time to somebody and they were like uh what and I was just like I I don't know I just think it's fair like we have all these it's an untapped resource in my opinion like I think that oh okay he's gonna be killed but how what is that going to do right in the same in the same breath like that I don't know it bothers me.
SPEAKER_00The whole thing bothers me I don't know I kind of feel like death sentence it'd only be apple when it's like we have you on camera undisputed evidence that you c like killed this person. Like when you put someone a death penalty and you like don't have like there's reasonable suspicion left then like I don't think that's okay. Because that's how innocent people die. I agree but I also we don't make the laws.
SPEAKER_01I think the method is important too which I think is changing quite a bit in the in America.
SPEAKER_00Well yeah I it it seems like more states recently like brought back a firing squad which is I think absolutely wild to me yeah it's it's interesting I don't know I think a fi You know what I think about sometimes if they gave me the choice what would I pick?
SPEAKER_01What would you pick?
SPEAKER_00Alright lethal injection here are your options lethal injection firing squad electric chair we won't go into medieval practices but those are your three options I think electric chair would be out I don't think I could do electric chair.
SPEAKER_01I mean I don't wouldn't have a choice but I've heard that lethal injection actually is terrible like you obviously die but like the process is dying I probably still pick lethal injection I think I would pick electric chair for the dramatics the for the for the drama yeah I don't know ever since I watched that movie that Stephen King movie The Green Mile. Don't ask don't ask me about movies. Okay well there's a movie called the Green Mile and in the Green Mile the um nobody cares but they forget to put well they're being vindictive and they don't put the you're supposed to put water on the sponge to conduct the electricity on the head they don't put the water on the sponge and it lights them on fire.
SPEAKER_00So that's where I oh I'll I'll also add um hanging hanging to the list. Hang hanging if you do it the right way it's quick should be quick if you do it the right way but sometimes they don't do it the right way. They don't and that's my issue with firing squad is because like you could like you could just get really injured.
SPEAKER_01It could be a long process.
SPEAKER_00Yeah but that's the stuff I think about lethal injection right they say is it that like they you feel like your inside's burning and you can't like speak is that like you're paralyzed and it's all burning but I mean how long is that lasting for and in the grand scheme of things does it actually really matter?
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00I mean I guess not because I just think about too like not that I have any like sense of compassion for him whatsoever but I was watching the clip of when the sentence was being read to him that he was being put to death and I just think about like how like daunting that is knowing that you're gonna be dying soon. Like I have like a big fear of death I don't know if that I've ever shared that but like a big fear of death I'm also pretty afraid of death too but just knowing that you are going to be killed soon is like but like obviously fuck him because like he killed that little baby but um just like from my perspective someone told me oh like we're gonna be killing you soon like oh yeah like what do you do? You just Yeah that's why a lot of people kill themselves before yeah they get their the death sentence placed on them so which I'm surprised he hasn't killed himself yet because if I had to stand trial and listen to all the things that I did this little baby like how do you not fucking kill yourself he should have killed himself right away. Discussing absolutely vile absolute viol he's gonna have a rough fucking time in prison before he gets executed.
SPEAKER_01I hope so like trash he needs something just for the time to for the time being I I don't think it's enough like you're not you're not gonna be in solitary and then I don't know he doesn't seem very sympathetic about anything to me.
SPEAKER_00No no trash trash trash trash I also think about uh about last meals a lot too and apparently that's not like afforded to all prisoners which sucks that it really sucks I mean obviously whatever like fuck them but if they're actually guilty but like it's like come on just like a nice little meal like if you're going out some people if it has we're big bags were like like fuck these pedophiles fuck these murders meal just I actually have my last meal almost entirely picked out actually not even lying and it's the most basic thing.
SPEAKER_01So I know that if I killed someone and I got a last meal I think they would say yes because it's just like pizza and ice cream that's it'll like a specific pizza a specific ice cream the I don't know about pizza like any kind of pizza honestly but like I would want Turkey Hill birthday cake ice cream okay like that's like cheap they could figure that out yeah that's fine yeah and like a coffee and a diet coke incredible that's that's not bad yeah maybe mine would be a lot more elaborate so I probably would never get my last meal yours would be so bougie I feel it would be yeah like I want caviar I want lobster I want a crisp diet cook from McDonald's but there's just something about it I don't know if I'd want to even eat it because I would feel so sad while I was eating it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah but like what else are you supposed to do? Like you either eat it or you don't and you die. Either way you're dying hopefully we don't have to think about that. Yeah that's kind of like really morbid but yeah I that whole case like oh and then I saw on TikTok a couple days ago um that there was like a a video of other FedEx drivers posting like on their trucks like putting little signs like your your babies are safe on my route like justice for Athena and like I saw and like I thought that was like really nice but then I thought about it a little bit more and I was like I don't know like I'm making this about you right right like it's not like why don't you I don't think that's like I don't know that there is like I don't like a a big push against FedEx drivers. Like I think it's obvious this like an isolated incident. Like it's not a whole not not all FedEx drivers are bad. Like I don't know. Like they're not cops.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Yeah, nobody's saying anything about FedEx to the company. Nobody said a word about it. In fact, FedEx, I think, actually is who helped solve the case because they had the cameras.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know. Like, if I had if my FedEx truck truck drove by and says your babies are safe on my route, I'd be like, mm-hmm. I'd be like, I mean, please don't go into that. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Okay. People make everything about them. It makes me mad. Yeah. Um. Speaking of that, have you heard about this new virus?
SPEAKER_00I did hear about this new virus. You think we'll go on lockdown again? Because I am dying for another lockdown. No, actually, you know what?
SPEAKER_01I don't think I can do it with two kids now that I think about it. I would love a lockdown, but I feel that it's not gonna happen. I think that we're not gonna get the lucky this time. Was it called the Hantavirus? The Hontavirus. It's uh there was a cruise ship. I think the cruise ships from Argentina, like to Antarctica. I might be completely making this. Wow, that's a big trip I think. It's like an excursion trip. It's like$35. And um, it someone they contracted the Hontivirus on this cruise ship excursion, and three people have already died from it. And it like went viral because this guy made this video three people on the cruise ship died? Yeah, three people are dead. And the this guy made this video, and he was like, please let us come home. Like, we're all you know, we're scared, people are dying, blah blah. And the comments were very they were like, sorry, like we feel really bad for you, but you can't do it. You can't bring it out here, yeah. And they did dock, they've just docked, I would say, today in the Canary Islands in Spain. Oh my god. So and they've already boarded flights.
SPEAKER_00Oh no.
SPEAKER_01And it's uh so the disease is it's not a new disease, it's a rodent-born disease. But they inspected the ship and they found not a single rodent on the ship.
SPEAKER_00That's a lie.
SPEAKER_01I there's no way there's no fucking rodents on a ship. Right. So they're like, it's human to human con. It's the Andes version of it. And of course my fattest was like, like the mint. But it's the Andy version of it, and it is human-to-human spread. So we'll see.
SPEAKER_00So I'm sorry, they just let them board flights. Did they do like any screenings, like testing on anyone? They just like let them loose.
SPEAKER_01Apparently, and people are now requesting, they're like, tell us what airline it was for the safety of people all over the world. Not spirit. Yeah, not spirit. They're dead. They're done. They got out just in time. But I'm sure nothing will happen. It's probab but there are TikTok's already going wild saying that it might be a hoax. Okay, why would it be a hoax? Because there's no footage of anyone on that boat. Except for that one guy.
SPEAKER_00Okay, but remember that cruise ship that there was poop everywhere? Of course I do. I feel like that footage, like, that wasn't known for a while until like years later. They did that whole documentary on it. Yeah. Yeah. I will never go on a cruise. I went on one that my parents made me go on, and I don't think I'll ever do it again. Between the poop and the virus and the bed bugs. It's just the not even any of that. Just the idea of not being able to leave on my own accord freaks me out.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00I can't do that. And then, you know, icebergs and stuff, pirates. And everything else you mentioned. Not worth drowning.
SPEAKER_01Like, oh, you can have as what you can eat as much as you want and lay by a pool. Like, I can do that at home.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. And I can actually like go outside and leave. When I did go on the cruise, I was seasick for like the first two days, and I'm like, this is miserable. That sounds like a nightmare to me, truly. And like the whole point of like going on a cruise, I would imagine, is like going out on excursions and stuff, and like when you dock an islands and like why don't you just go on a trip then? Like, why are you going on a cruise ship to go out on an excursion? Right. Just go out just go to go to an island, go to Jamaica or wherever you're going and go do stuff. Right.
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_01But we'll see.
SPEAKER_00I feel like they've been saying there's a virus, there's a virus all the time, but my sister's been dying to go on a cruise and trying to get us all to go on a cruise together, and I'm like, I'm not doing it. I'm not going. You should send her this this whole information. It's scary. I don't know. You can't tell her anything. No. Uh, do you see the there was a a quote unquote another assassination attempt from our president? Another one. Another one.
SPEAKER_01Over it. Fake. Never happened. Fake news. Nobody's trying to assassinate the president. I mean, everyone is, but nobody can. Crazy.
SPEAKER_00You know what how I knew it was fake immediately? Was that he had a fucking press conference about it right after.
SPEAKER_01Like, come the fuck on. If you were if there was a true assassination attempt out on you, you would be in hiding.
SPEAKER_00They like, it was the first time he ever attended a correspondence dinner. And so the first one he ever went to, there's an assassination attempt. And by the way, it was also like, I wouldn't really classify it as an assassination attempt because he was nowhere near the president when the gun went off. So one and two. Um, and three, yeah, he had a press conference immediately after, which I watched live, and I was like, What I could not believe that they were holding a press conference right after an a quote unquote assassination attempt. I'm like, this is so dumb as fuck. And then during the uh press conference, he was talking about like, well, this is why we need the ballroom that we're building. And I'm like, oh, okay, I get it. Where this is going. Got it, got it, okay.
SPEAKER_01It's such ever we were just, Cliff and I were just talking about this. How like there's you don't even want to learn anything new about what's going on because it's either 100% a lie, or you can't do anything about it. So you're like, you have we have so much access to information, but all that it's doing is ruining our mental health, which I mean, if you want to get tinfoil hatty about it, like I think that might be part of the the purpose of it. Like it's just kind of wearing away at us and our mor morality and all of those things, or morale, but like you don't even want to see this shit anymore. You're like, I know it's not real. They have to know they that we know.
SPEAKER_00I think it it's actually very insulting that they think we're that stupid. I know. And you know what really fucking pisses me off? So I listen to like a lot of political podcasts and political shows. Like, I'm up I'm like nerdy in that aspect. And what really annoys me is that when all three assassination attempts, okay, on Donald Trump, everyone all of like, and these are like major figures in like politics, right? Everyone says, like, you know, there's these conspiracy theorists out there, and like we have to like condemn political violence, and like the these were assassinated, and like why why do you have to follow the narrative that it was a true assassination attempt? Like, why can't you like actually as a a major voice in politics say like yes, this does not make sense? Like, this is bizarro, like what are the facts? Like that why does all the major news outlets have to say, like, oh, like treat treating this re as a real assassination when it's like to the naked eye you can see that this is such bullshit? It's it's like a dictator. Don't get me started on his fucking ear from Butler PA.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, and the the security system is what's always baffling to me.
SPEAKER_00Like who how'd they get in? So he was a guest at the hotel. It was hell at a hotel, right? Okay, then if you saw the security footage, there's multiple versions, but the one security footage that they released, he's seen in like the corner, um, going into like I think it was like a hallway or uh a stair corridor, and he was talking to like security when he was going in there, and then he's like off camera, and then he comes back running, bolting in with like I don't know, guns, a rifle. Is that rifle a big one? Is that probably a shotgun? I don't know, whatever the big gun is, the long one. He comes running in and like starts shooting, and they were like, Where was this gun when he went into the hallway? Like they are assuming that it was like broken down in his jacket, and then he assembled it in the hallway, but like you don't see him carrying anything, like, and to assemble a gun that quickly is like impossible between like the time lapse. So, like, what is happening here? Like, it doesn't make any sense, but I will say, like, he the correspondence interest was was held in a hotel, and he was like, Guess at the hotel, and I just find it very hard to believe that Secret Service did not do a case, or what are they called? Like a casing of the entire hotel because when I was in high school, we had Obama come to our auditorium um and like we got out of school early that day. Like, they closed on the whole school because they had to sweep the entire that's what called that they had to do a sweep, they had to sweep the entire school. And I had a school of like 2,000 kids went there. It was a big fucking building. They had to sweep the entire building to make sure there was no like weapons, bugs, like anything, because the press or the president was coming. So, like they did that for a speech, and you're telling me they didn't do that for a correspondence in it where it's not just the president's there, it's like an entire congressional line of succession is there. Like, I don't get it.
SPEAKER_01It's so it's so fucking fake. And like I just it's also very hard for me to believe that all of these assassination attempts were carried out by someone who can't assassinate properly. Like, you would think that if you're if you I know there's people who have, you know, mental illness and things like that, but if you're gonna be going through with the assassination of the president of the United States, that's widely hated by many people, that you would be, and you can seemingly assemble a gun within I don't know seconds that you would be able to be a clear shot. Like, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00But this one, he wasn't even in the same room as a president, he was in the hallway. Right. This one makes no sense, and they the fact that they think they actually charge him with an assassination attempt, like, is kind of like I'm like, okay, that's a little extra. Like he had a gun in the oh my god. But I love all the footage of inside the correspondence center when the shots went off because like no one knew what was going on until like way later, and like then the Secret Service like jumps in and like they pulled JD Vance out first before the president, which I thought was interesting, and then they're pulling Trump out and he like falls, and like and someone asked him, like, Oh, is there like an issue getting you extra actually you know it was on me a little because I wanted to see and see what's going on? I'm like, oh okay, okay. It's it's fucking joke. Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, is just sitting at the table looking around. Seeing I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
SPEAKER_01I've seen better acting in a community theater. Like, we know that's not happening. They're like, oh no, and then fucking Erica Kirk, the worst one, I want to go home. I can't fucking stand that woman. Like, I know nobody can, but everything she does is too much.
SPEAKER_00I just want to go home. Like, girl, isn't this what your husband wanted? Like, this is he literally has quotes saying, like, this just happens when you have to have the second amendment. Like, this is just a thing that is okay, you're okay with. Stupid bitch. And then she went on the podcast in her sniper gear. Oh. I'm like, what is happening?
SPEAKER_01And everyone was like, it's say hi, it say hi, and they're like, no, this is she's really doing this for some reason.
SPEAKER_00And then she wonders why people fucking make fun of her because she's a psycho. My co-worker actually. My co-worker said, She's like, you know what? Like, maybe Charlie like leaned into that shot to get away from her.
unknownI would.
SPEAKER_01Holy shit.
SPEAKER_00I would because she's a psycho. She's bizarro. Oh, I can't. And also, like, that's the other thing. I'm like, why is she at the correspondence center? She's not a journalist. She's no one. Why are you here? You're not in the administration.
SPEAKER_01Why are you here? He wasn't even anyone, to be honest. He was a podcast host. Like he's a podcaster. A podcast that liked to argue with people, and then he got he got shot. So now a podcaster like to c are you with college kids. Yeah, like why are you at the these are the people that's like I just hate this this like line of reality that we're on. It's so stupid. And have you also seen side note? Um, have you been following the scientists that have gone missing? The twelve scientists? A little bit, a little bit. So I just like recently started looking into it. I had heard that there were scientists that had just been mysterious, like like high-level scientists. I don't know where I don't know much about it. So don't take what I'm saying, like with a grain of salt. But they have all mysteriously disappeared, and one of the female scientists was quoted as saying that if she did disappear, that it was not suicide, that she had no suicidal ideations. And if you they started going into like things that they were studying, and they were all studying things like meteors or um like space travel UFOs, quantum physics, stuff like that, and they all just disappeared. So what were they going to tell us?
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah, I'm pulling up a uh a Rolling Stone article about it. Um Questions about a possible sinister connection between the eleven deaths and disappearances began to emerge after William Neil McCasslin, a 68-year-old former U.S. Air Force Major General, was reported missing from his Albuquerque home by his wife on February 27, 2026. He left his prescription glasses, phone, and electronics behind. He is thought to have taken his 38 caliber revolver with him. Two months later, officials still can't say where he went. Um he was the one-time commander of the Wright Patterson base center central to the Roswell incident. His connection to UFO lore and classified space weapons programs fanned the flames of speculation on YouTubers, blah blah blah. Um by the YouTuber named Daniel Lists, when he posted a video theorizing that a Portuguese physicist was assassinated because of his work in advanced fusion research. Um Nuno Gomez Lori Loriaro, sorry, a renowned nuclear science professor was shot and killed at his Massachusetts home in December 2085. He had recently been named director of MIT's Plasma Science and Fusion Center. Um the YouTuber list um theorized that his work was co-potentially so transformative that if you get a real leg up in the research, then you become a sort of database that needs to be erased potentially.
SPEAKER_01They know they knew something. Yeah. They knew something. I don't know. I don't know. There's something I don't know. I've seen two theories. One is that they know something about aliens. Of course, I think that's a given. Two is that there's a meteor coming for us at some point that will destroy the whole planet, but they wanna keep us civilized until that happens. So we'll see.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, some of the other ones that they're talking about, like they there was one who had an interview, a rambling interview, where she said that she was planning to disclose information about UFOs and extraterrestrials, and she was receiving threats because of a uh another one was an asteroid researcher at NASA. Um, another one that was a nuclear weapons researcher.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, it's all like it's all very important things. All things that if they had information on that it it's worth enough to cover up eleven missing people and mur uh murder cases. It's worth enough for the government to cover that up as opposed to cover up whatever it was that they were studying, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_00So Yeah, and I mean, listen. It was the government itself.
SPEAKER_01Like what I don't know why anyone thinks the government wouldn't kill its own people. You wanna know something that this reminds me of? I don't know if I ever told you about this, but I I'm sure that I did, but uh I can't like obviously give any information because um like of my job and stuff. This is when I was at my old job though, so fuck it, like I don't care. Um but there was a pr a resident that worked there and he used to be in the military. There was like an HBO show actually about this guy and his thing. Did I tell you about this before? Uh you told me a little bit about him. So right before in like 2019, probably like October of 2019, he moved out of the apartments, and him and one of our maintenance guys had become like friendly, and the maintenance guy was like, Where are you going? Like, we'll miss you here. Like, we all because he was he was nice, he but he kept to himself, like and he was like, I'm going, I'm going out to the woods for a while. And um Lamar, the the maintenance man that I worked with, he was like, Why? He's like, You'll see.
SPEAKER_02And 2020 hit like that.
SPEAKER_01Stop it. And we were like, I know. He goes, You'll see. And we're like, uh what? And then the pandemic happened, and we think I think about him all the time when I think about that. Cause he it was like clockwork how he moved out. Damn. He's like, I just don't want to be. He said something to I forget what, but Lamar will he was like, he just didn't want to be, he's like, I don't want to be around people right now. Unless it's like so like they fucking know, like the people know Yeah. But the we'll see. I'm like, I think about that all the time. Like, how the fuck did you know this?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And do you know do you ever hear from him again? No, never again. Never again. I always looked up his information, but I can never find him. No original footprint. Nope. No, he was so smart, he was very he was very nice, very smart, but never like he kept to himself.
SPEAKER_00Do you hear um that so America's gonna be having It's 250th anniversary coming up. And did you see the theory that it's gonna be like the downfall of our democracy? Because like empires don't last more than 250 years. That's our end. I mean, we're we're on track. So honestly, I mean hopefully we'll get something better. But what does that look like? Like the fall of our democracy. Like what does that mean?
SPEAKER_01Oh, I think our government would fail. The fall of our democracy. That would be the entire infrastructure of our government.
SPEAKER_00Well then who fixes who fixes it?
SPEAKER_01We do. I think we have to fix it.
SPEAKER_00We me?
SPEAKER_01Me We have to fix it. We have to fix it from the inside out. I think that's how that works. I don't know. I I think we're kind of doomed. Yeah, I don't trust anyone, but I think civilization is ultimately like civilization as we know is gonna implode very soon. Like the way it's just too so like civilizations don't last this long. No. Not in the way that like we learn about them historically.
SPEAKER_00Well, and you think about it, like America's the youngest country. Um, and we have a a long way like we're not fucking like Italy and Spain or in like Russia. Like we've we need our first like real test of our structure here.
SPEAKER_01And look how much just like Russia, for example, is the one that is coming to my mind, but look how much they've evolved as a country just in the past a hundred years.
SPEAKER_00They're also like not like a good country right now.
SPEAKER_01No, but I mean we're not either. Right. Right. So like I don't know. I think it's it's an interesting time.
SPEAKER_00It really like it makes me question like why did I bring children into this hot mess that we live in?
SPEAKER_01Well, you know what though, like because I feel I see that debate and I feel like people when I talk to people, like if I when I say that I'm not having kids, people are like, Yeah, fuck the world. I'm like, I I actually think like kids and you need new new little souls in the world to like bring a fresh perspective.
SPEAKER_00I get that, but I I like worry, I was like, what if like something really bad happens like with like our society and I have like these children here that I need to like figure out how they can make it through this world of our democracy falling? Like I have hope that they like help in the future, but like as children, like I and I have to manage them like during the fall of our society, that's rough for everyone involved. Yeah, um well, I we'll help. Okay, thank you. Takes a village, we'll help you.
SPEAKER_01I always think about that when I think about that's why I like got really into lifting because I'm like, what if something happens to like Andy and I have to pick him up? Like he's so or if I have to like there's a fire or something, or I don't know. So I made Cliff lay limp on the floor one time because this is and I tried to pick him up and I'm like, oh my god, what am I gonna do?
SPEAKER_00That's a good reminder because I need to like start lifting more because I uh was holding Ruby at a party over the weekend for and my girl is heavy, like my wrist hurt. She's so she just a little chunky though, just in the best way. I was talking about, yeah, she's chonky because she wakes up three fucking times a night to eat.
SPEAKER_01I'm so jealous of her. I would love to wake up in the middle of the night and cry until someone feeds me. That sounds amazing.
SPEAKER_00And then rocks you back to sleep and tucks you in. I would wake up too. That sounds like exactly. That's the problem we have here. We've developed a bad system.
SPEAKER_01I would do that all the time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Spoiled AF. I love it. She deserves it. Well, I'm done talking because I drove for four plus hours today, so I need to go to bed before Ruby wakes me up in like an hour. Oh my god. God bless you. Um, oh, you had a little research topic, didn't you?
SPEAKER_01I did have a little research topic, um, but we can save it because it is Yeah, it's not pleasant.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. Let's add on a let's add on a high.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was thinking about it because I'm like, ooh, how can I work this in here? And then it's it's not like a pleasant topic.
SPEAKER_00Although we just did just talk about like the fall of our democracy. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Well, I'll give you a little hint. Okay. Um, I've been it's been my little hyper fixation in history about these um monks in Japan in the like 15th century, and they mummified themselves alive. So stay tuned for next week.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, a little teaser. It's my new, I'm obsessed. All right. Well, um, thanks for listening. I'm sorry, like I don't even know when the last time the last episode came out, but we'll be we'll be okay now. Maybe we'll even do next week. Like, who knows? Like, I know I've already got a topic ready. Oh my god, okay. Um, thanks for follow us. Well, nope, that's not it. Thanks. I'm so tired. Thanks for listening to another episode of But What Do We Know, follow us on Instagram, subscribe, right? And we'll talk to you next time. Bye.