Expanding Sunday
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Here For The Tribulations!
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We discuss on this episode the rapture and are we here for the tribulation period? What is neurolink and the mark of the beast? Could they be tied together. And we’ll find out if God actually does give us more than we can handle.
All right. Welcome to our next episode of Expanding Sunday. And today we've got some very controversial topics, and it's going to get pretty deep, and Brooks probably going to be very upset by the end of this episode. We are going to start off with some uh Neuralink and the social credit system in China and digital IDs and the biometric system that is currently sweeping Mexico. And we're going to tie all that into the Mark of the Beast and the Rapture.
SPEAKER_01And is that all you had? How that will tie into.
SPEAKER_03Oh, is it me? No, it's not it. Now it's you. Now it's you.
SPEAKER_06We just our intro. Keep it going. Keep it going.
SPEAKER_03The misconception that God doesn't give you more than you can handle.
SPEAKER_06Alright, we did it. We made it through that part. All right. Welcome to our next episode of Expanding Sunday. And David's going to kick things off here and inform us about this. Uh what was yours? Yours is the digital ID and the social credit system.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and biometric scans and all that.
SPEAKER_06Alright, yeah, that sounds uh terrifying. So I know um here in the US, the we have the real ID, um, which isn't that I wouldn't say that's super invasive, but uh we do have the flock cameras now that are popping up everywhere, and those are super creepy as well.
SPEAKER_03There's like 15, I think, in Danville alone.
SPEAKER_06What yeah, way to give away our address. We don't want people to know where we're at. So we're gonna have to add this little sound effect that goes beep. Oh man.
SPEAKER_03Five listeners that know where we are anyway.
SPEAKER_06Shout out, Jack. We forgot to give him a shout-out in episode one, but for the next like three, we'll have to give him a shout-out. He's uh he'd been waiting on us to make this podcast for a while. So so yeah, uh, what you got, David? What do you got about uh the social credit system?
SPEAKER_01Uh social credit system, China has one in place that basically if you have many debts or get in trouble legally quite often, then your social credit score goes down. Or what they consider your trustworthiness and consequences for individuals. If you don't follow the rules and guidelines and laws and all that, those unofficial blacklists can face significant restrictions such as bans on purchasing high-speed train or flat tickets, limitations on luxury hotels, and excluding on bidding on public contracts.
SPEAKER_06So basically, if you're a bad person, China doesn't let you do anything.
SPEAKER_01Correct. Like public services are restricted and everything. But if you're good, you can get high-standing business and individuals may receive access to public services, streamlined loans, and commercial discounts.
SPEAKER_06I mean, in theory, that doesn't sound like a terrible idea, but of course you're losing a lot of freedom. Yeah, I mean, it's it's not. Yeah. And for you said that's China? Yeah, that's in China. That's already a thing.
SPEAKER_03That's been implemented by Yeah, for a while, but I could say But also does bad mean like your family doesn't have any food left, like literally, so you go steal some food and then you're bad? I mean, even though, you know, you shouldn't steal, but you gotta feed your family.
SPEAKER_06Well, hopefully you don't resort resort to just like robber robbing just because you're not gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_03Well, I know, but you know, I mean, but yeah, that's yeah, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_01Um breaks the law basically is Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um did you say you can't like purchase tickets, like plane tickets or anything if you have a low credit score?
SPEAKER_01Public well, low credit, or if you're kind of like a uh criminal, you won't be able to get uh what was it? Train tickets, flat tickets, or like luxury hotel stays, and then you can't bid on public contracts, which that's more business related, but almost makes you wonder how you survive.
SPEAKER_06I mean, if you're what if you weren't necessarily a bad person, but you made a couple mistakes, then you've got such a low social credit score that you can't really do anything.
SPEAKER_07So everyone in China has to like sign up for this?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's not optional, it's already a thing, it's part of their social credit. And you know how we have the uh our credit scores. That's their version of the credit score.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, if you like you owe a lot of debt and stuff, they won't let you get more loans or things like that.
SPEAKER_06So hopefully uh our we never implement that over here. But that would that also leads into the uh the digital ID and the biometric system that uh I don't know if you have specifically on Mexico or not, but uh what do you have on that? Because I know Mexico is really up in their game on their biometric stuff. Um so what you got on that?
SPEAKER_01Uh many countries are have some kind of digital ID in place, such as like smartphones, driver's license on it, mandatory national databases and biometric systems. Many countries are using these systems for faster online access, banking, and government services. Uh some also securely store their ID, medical records, and professional documents on their phones or in the digital world.
SPEAKER_06Did you get the thing about Mexico with the phones? I don't know. I will look it up right now. Um I've I kind of know what it's about. Uh basically, any kind of phone number that you have has to be linked to your biometrics. Um, so it's supposed to get rid of burner phones and like because the cartel and things like that are so bad down there. Your phone number has to be linked to like an actual biometric person. You can't have a burner account anymore. Uh supposed to like deter crime and stuff, but it's just it's all ways to for the government to track you more and more and more, though. That's what it's not so bad, obviously, in the US, but the more we get the flock cameras and the the IDs and stuff going. I I mean we could get hit get to that point eventually. Um, hopefully we don't. But we are going to tie all that into the Neuralink. What do you why? What are you looking at me like that for? You're gonna make crinkly sounds on the mic.
SPEAKER_03I think he was actually just gonna throw it at you.
SPEAKER_06Probably. Um so then we've also got the Neurolink. How much of that? Do you guys know anything at all about Neuralink? Very little.
SPEAKER_01I know it's supposed to like improve quality of life. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's part of it was kind of cool until the more and more I looked into it, and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is not so.
SPEAKER_01Doesn't it claim to like restore vision to the blind?
SPEAKER_06That is a future goal of Neuralink. Future goal. So let me just tell you about this here because it's uh pretty interesting. So Neuralink is a brain chip interface, and they implement it into your brain to read neural signals, and it turns computer commands. Um, mainly it's mainly it was supposed to help just with paralysis. So I don't understand how any of this works, but somehow you can send brainwave signals to like prosthetics to control you know your arms and legs or whatever, which sounds like a good idea. That's not doesn't sound like a bad thing at all by no means. Um so as of 2026, they have 21 participants that are in trials, and so far there's a few of them that can move uh like a mouse cursor, which if these were for prosthetics, why is it already being used to move a mouse on a computer? That's kind of creepy. Um, but they can do things like type, they can browse the internet, play games, and of course they can use like robotic arms, which is if that's what it was made for, that would obviously make sense. But why are they searching the internet and stuff with it? That's so weird to me. I don't understand that. Uh so it uses telepathy, and its goal was to restore independence with uh for people with spinal cord injury uh injuries. So basically it lets your thoughts control that technology directly, which is that sounds cool. I mean, I could get behind that. Um then their future projects, they are trying to do what you're talking about, like restore uh vision for blind people. Also sounds like a good idea. That doesn't necessarily seem like a bad thing. This is where it gets a little bit more creepy. Uh translating your thoughts into speech. So, yes, Nick, you definitely need that. Yes, yes, I do. My mind blanks. Yep. Uh of course, controlling prosthetics, and then longer term goals. They was uh possible memory enhancement. Yep, need that. Yep, definitely need to get this for Nick.
SPEAKER_05What in the world was that? Are they listening to us?
SPEAKER_06Is that Neuralink?
SPEAKER_03No, that was a notification on my laptop.
SPEAKER_06Okay, I thought you were connecting your brain to our podcast here. Um, so long term, anyways, was possible memory enhancement and AI enhancement. Uh and this thing works. It implements this ultra-thin, flexible thread into your brain by a surgical robot. And these threads are thinner than human hair. So yeah, these super tiny little threads go into your brain. And I have no idea how this works, but somehow it has wireless charging. So yeah, I'm I'm I don't know how I'd feel about my brain, my brain having to connect to some kind of wireless charger. Uh that's just weird, anyways. And it's also got wireless signal transmission to a computer. Why? I don't know. I don't think I'd want that in my brain. Maybe if I was paralyzed, maybe I'd be okay with it being put in my brain at that point. But here's the kicker. So if this thing can read your thoughts with like some kind of like telepathy coding or something, who owns the data from this stuff? Um, like can governments or does the nerd, like does Elon Musk, does the company, do they access it? Because you're you're controlling it with your brain and your thoughts. So is that being uploaded to some kind of like cloud storage? Uh it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, it's I have no idea. Um, all right. So this is the here's the kicker that Brooke's gonna hate me saying this.
SPEAKER_03Oh god.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, cover your ears if you don't want to hear it. Remember how we may have mentioned on the first episode, but if not, um, I know we've talked about it between us. And we said that Satan's not omnipresent, he doesn't know your thoughts. Yeah. Okay. What if this Neuralink says telepathy?
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh, I was so in the zone. Oh my lord. I was so in the zone on what he said. Your voice scared the Jesus out of me.
SPEAKER_06That was Satan talking to you.
SPEAKER_03I've legit freaked out for a second.
SPEAKER_06But yes, yes, yes, he that was it. Um, so what if this is a way for Satan or the Antichrist or whatever uh to be able to read your thoughts? What if it's a way to make him omnipresent and he's has your data from your brain of literally what you're thinking with this Neuralink?
SPEAKER_01I could honestly see it. I mean, he's trying to make himself God.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Which that also brings up my last point about this is the first episode we talked about fallen angels and how they were corrupting DNA. At what point is this corrupting I maybe not our DNA, but you're trying to merge humans with computers. You're trying to change what humans are because that's their future goal is to enhance us with AI. I that seem I don't know why it's always been a theme of the Bible where DNA is getting corrupted, but it's almost like what we're doing again is relying on technology and corrupting ourselves instead of thinking for ourselves.
SPEAKER_03Well, I I looked at, okay, so this is NoraLink. Is it Nora or Nora?
SPEAKER_05Neuralink.
SPEAKER_03NeuroLink?
SPEAKER_05Neura.
SPEAKER_03Um patients retain ownership of their personal brain data. They grant the company limited anonymized access via informed consent agreements for clinical research and to improve the implant technology. Raw Nora neural data is kept secure and analyzed under strict patient privacy protections.
SPEAKER_06Well, yeah, of course they're gonna say that. That's like HIPAA laws. Like they say that, but it don't mean someone can't access it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, see, I don't like that. Yeah. As bad as I need uh memory enhancement, I don't think I'd be trusting this.
SPEAKER_06No, yeah, it's yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I mean, if I was like paralyzed, I can't I I wouldn't be able to say that. My anxiety would be off the wall. I'd have to knock on wood and all the things.
SPEAKER_06What?
SPEAKER_03I can't say it.
SPEAKER_06Oh what you just said. Oh, okay. Yeah, uh yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't think I I wouldn't want anything, especially a robot doing surgery in my brain. I mean, there are a lot of huge risks with it as well. You got brain bleeds and infections, it's not like it's some seamless um surgery.
SPEAKER_03Uh like it's there's already robots doing surgeries.
SPEAKER_06I mean, yeah, I know, but I mean there's still always the room for air, and I just I don't know. I wouldn't want it's especially if it's thinner than human hair. How in the world does it not break? How is it that strong that it can they can implement it into your brain? I don't know, it's weird. But anyways, so that is kind of nuts to me to think that we're already at that point advanced with technology that we're implementing things into our brain. And what does that sound like? The mark of the beast. Kind of, yeah. So of course the mark of the beast says it will be uh a mark implemented in your forehead or your right hand. So it doesn't say you gotta take it in um uh implement it in your brain, but still.
SPEAKER_03I think it's just the stepping stone, though.
SPEAKER_07I mean yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_06Well, yeah, stepping stone, and it's already way more advanced, I think, than what the Mark of the Beast needs to be because it talks about um towards the end, or no, this is during the tribulation that you have to take the Mark of the Beast to buy or sell um food or anything like that. Yeah. Um, I mean, really, there was already a chip that was implemented in your hand. Uh was it did you say that was Amazon?
SPEAKER_01No, the that was a palm reader biometrics, but the chip was in Sweden that they inserted into people's hands and it would give them access uh to like homes and offices and the gym.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. Yeah. Um yeah, but if you've got a chip that uh it's like our key fob, like we have those at work, and I mean it's obviously not implemented in my hand, but it's just it's instead of having a key, you just swipe your little fob, then the doors unlock.
SPEAKER_01Which, how many people would take something like that just so they don't have to carry around every little thing they need?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, more convenient. Yeah. Yeah. And if you can put that into your hand, I mean, a chip to have all your data for your credit cards or debit cards or bank accounts or whatever. Um, I mean, it that stuff is so tiny now. It it'd basically be the same thing, it's just they haven't done it. Which only reason why I don't think we haven't done it yet is because they're saving that for the mark of the beast. Right. Yeah. It just is so it just makes so much sense that that they'd be able to do that. And if you go back 20, 25 years ago, we would have never thought about, which granted we would have been fairly little, but you wouldn't have thought 20 years ago that we would be so far advanced that we could be like, oh yeah, the mark of the beast is going to be a chip in your hand that's gonna connect your to your bank. I mean, for the most part, I guess we were still using cash, like you didn't even have the chips in your debit card and credit card at that point. Yeah, right. So it's just nuts that technology advanced so fast that we're already to the point where that could probably be implemented into your hand. If you're implementing a strand of whatever that's thinner than your hair into your brain, a chip in your hand or your forehead, it's kind of funny, kind of funny to think if you did it in your forehead. If it was an actual chip, you gotta swipe your hand across like one of those barcode scanners. But for the people that chose in their forehead, they're just walking around smacking their forehead on things. Uh but anyways, uh yeah, so that's obviously that's an easy tie to tie Neurolink and all these social credit systems to the mark of the beast system. Uh, because it's a system. I mean, it's basically the what they're the the Antichrist way to keep up with all those that uh choose to follow him. So yeah, that's an easy, easy one to tie together. All right, Nick. I know you're super duper excited to talk about this. I am because you've got 29 tabs open on your phone. I do, it's true. I I don't even understand how. How do you have 29 tabs? What could you I I you know what? It's okay. It's all right.
SPEAKER_07This is a great debate.
SPEAKER_06All right, yeah. So I think typically we we do our current event and then we do our uh the Bible lessons that we were taught wrong, and then we do our uh our misconception, but I don't know if we could call I was gonna say we could throw this in as misconception as well, but it's more so in an opinion. Uh the main a lot of churches preach that the rapture happens before tribulation begins.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like I have heard that so many times.
SPEAKER_03Okay, hold on. For the people who need to be caught up by the tribulation, you mean the seven-year tribulation?
SPEAKER_01So the seven years where the Antichrist rules and the mark of the beast comes into play, and you like to last seven years before God Jesus returns.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so you're saying You're saying that he comes he comes back before or after?
SPEAKER_07Well, there's a bunch of different views. There's three main views. Yeah, there's three main views the pre-tribulation rapture, the mid-tribulation rapture, and post-tribulation rapture.
SPEAKER_06And most of the churches uh preach that there is a pre-tribulation. That's what we were taught. Yeah, basically that the rapture happens before anything bad happens. So if you're saved, you go to heaven and you don't have to endure any of the coming tribulations. Yeah. Well, we got a controversial take.
SPEAKER_03Nope, nope. That's the way we stop the episode. Good day.
SPEAKER_06Well, we want to talk about it because uh it would be bad not to to think that there's uh the pre-tribulation rapture, and there's very, very, very little to support that versus a mid or a post. And I've always believed, well, I shouldn't say always, after I looked into it, I was leaning more towards the mid. But Nick, you've convinced me a little bit it might be towards the yeah, towards the end. I'm not fully sold on it yet. I'm still, I for sure do not think it's a pre like we were taught. I still think it's um uh mid or post.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, yeah, I'm torn between mid or post too, but I don't believe the pre.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I can see there's Bible verses that kind of support it both ways. Um, Nick seems to have a pretty good lot of stuff going here to support the post.
SPEAKER_07So um I'm gonna start with saying I am not a scholar, and this is a very uh hot debate.
SPEAKER_06Um he's definitely not a scholar, he can't even spell that. It's true.
SPEAKER_07No, but seriously, up until 1830, it was widely accepted throughout Christianity that. Christians will face the Antichrist, and there were actually like multiple church fathers that wrote books on how they're going to face the Antichrist if it was to happen in their time. And then all of a sudden, John Darby comes along and says, Well, you know, this is my take of it that there's going to be a pre-tribulation rapture, but there's really not enough biblical support to go along with that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's I I know we were talking about that earlier. It was kind of like he said that to um what was his what was his reasoning for for saying that?
SPEAKER_07He he came up with a thing called dispensationalism, and it's basically saying that we are separate than Israel. So all of Revelation and the judgments are for Israel only, not necessarily for the church. So he thinks the church will be raptured out, but Israel and the Jews will be left behind.
SPEAKER_06I mean, that does sound pretty nice. It would be nice if we got to leave and Israel gets to stay, but oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Uh yeah, we won't we won't mention um that place too much so we don't get flagged or taken down for mentioning it. But Israel. Oh, now we're flagged, way to go. For our uh three holicitors. I know. Thanks, Jack. That was for you, buddy. But it um I don't know, it be being an American and living in the good old US, it it sure does seem like they cause a lot of our problems.
SPEAKER_07You know, the Bible specifically says though that once Jesus came and died, that there's now no Jew nor Greek, no slave or free, no male or female, meaning everyone is one in Christ now.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I thought we were, yeah, we were just all the church now. Yeah, but of course, not everyone sees it that way. And uh yeah, we won't I won't say too much more about that one. All right, so uh where where are you at with um the mid or pre-trib? So so the let's let's back up a little bit. The pre-trib uh rapture, uh-huh. That idea was started in the 1800s, yeah, pretty much.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, with uh John Darby.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, golly, like that's not even that old of a ideology. That's that's fairly new, really, for being honest.
SPEAKER_07Yep. And there was a girl, I think it was in Italy. Her name was Margaret McDonald, and she claimed to be filled with the Holy Spirit, so he came down there and basically saw if she was real or not, and she was talking about the pre-tribulation rapture. So there's a lot of theories that says that's where John Dober actually got his idea from, was from the little girl.
SPEAKER_06From uh say that one more time. Well, who is the little girl?
SPEAKER_07There was a little girl that started prophesying in I think Italy, and I think she was like 14 at the time, and she claimed that she was filled with the Holy Spirit, and that God gave her a divine revelation about the pre-tribulation rapture. So there's a lot of speculation that that's where John Darby got his idea from.
SPEAKER_06Is it uh correct me if I'm wrong, but can't like demon possession, demonic possession, can't they like give you false prophecies and like ideas too? Yeah, well, there's false prophets. Oh, yeah, that yeah, that's true. There's false prophets. Yeah, um, yeah, so I I definitely do not believe in the pre-trip. There's just I can't find hardly anything that would support that idea, other than it's comforting, and it'd be nice to know that we wouldn't have any kind of persecution, which I don't know. It's as much as the disciples go through and Christians go through in other nations. I mean, we've got it pretty pretty relaxed here in the US. I mean, we really other than trying to fit in with the crowd, I mean, we're not facing persecution or anything over here. I know they do in South Africa and China and all these other places, but uh Nigeria has been hit pretty hard here recently. Oh, yeah, Nigeria really bad as of recent. I probably should have looked that up and got some stats on that, actually. Bro, you can look that up. Actually, no, no, you don't need to be the one to look that up. Let David look it up. I'd hate for you to see more stuff that you don't want to actually see. And I think I hear Audrey in the background. Don't worry, if you hear a little girl talking, it's not any kind of ghostly presence on our mics. That would be my daughter that is also in the same recording room as us. Alright, well, David's looking that up. Um, do you so I know Nick, your view is the post-tribulation rapture?
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SPEAKER_06So do you I know you've got the majority of the notes with the post-trib. So do you have anything that supports the mid-trib, or are you just strictly going to talk about the post?
SPEAKER_07Um strictly talk about post. No, there's one verse um a lot of people point to. Um it's in Revelation, and it talks about the woman. I can't find the verse.
SPEAKER_06The woman in the uh that goes to the wilderness for three and a half years, or it says 1,260 days.
SPEAKER_07Yes, yes, that one.
SPEAKER_06There's a few a lot of it's symbolic. There's a few verses that talk about like the two witnesses that um lie in the street for the three and a half days, and then before God it spirit enters them, and then they go up in the clouds. There's some the reason that there's a mid-tribulation um view is because there's a lot of symbolic views that show that there it's only a three and a half year period before the rapture happens. So uh, real quick, we're gonna swing back to David because he's got the uh stuff for Nigeria.
SPEAKER_01Uh 2025, it was estimated anywhere from pretty much 3,500 to 7,000 Christians killed in Nigeria. And then this year, 2026, was 1,402.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah. So I mean, yeah, it's definitely persecution happening in other countries. Um so back to the three and a half years. What all right, I'm gonna let Nick explain this because I'm sure he's gonna love for me to ask him this.
SPEAKER_07Oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_06Love it. Break down the seals, the trumpets, and the vial slash the bowls before we go into too far into the the rapture part of this.
SPEAKER_07Uh the first three and a half years are mostly peaceful. However, the first seal I believe will be opened, and that's the revealing of the Antichrist. So it says that there will be a rider on a white horse, basically, that conquers the uh diplomacy and initiates a peace treaty, which is in Daniel 9 27. And I think that's whenever Jesus says that's the initial beginning of the birth pains with like the famines and the wars and earthquakes, and then it starts the second half of the seven years, the other three and a half years. So that was the first seal? Yeah, the first seal is never the Antichrist is revealed, but he's not fully set up into his kingdom yet.
SPEAKER_06Okay, wait, so how many seals are there? Seven. Seven seals, seven trumpets. Are there seven vials? Bowls, you mean? Yeah, bowls. Hold on one second. That sounds right. Well, what's the um the seals? I thought it was the seals happened before. Yeah, I do. It's seven bowls. Oh, so it is seven seven seven.
SPEAKER_05Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_02Are we saying big bowls? B-O-W-L-S?
SPEAKER_07Bowls. Bowls of wrath. The bowls of wrath, yes. I personally do not believe we'll be here for the bowls of wrath. No, that's like but we'll get into that in the ultimate.
SPEAKER_02Why are they bowls?
SPEAKER_05Okay, David, take that away again. What you just said about the bowls?
SPEAKER_01Uh to symbolize the complete unmitigated outpouring of his wrath.
SPEAKER_06And I don't know, it's just symbolic. It just makes the most sense to say a bowl. Dump a bowl. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Just d dumps all of it at one time.
SPEAKER_06Well, no, seven times to be. Seven bowls.
SPEAKER_03Well, but like the worst part of the wrath is like Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06So so okay, hang on, back up again. Did you say the seals are before the seven-year tribulation?
SPEAKER_01During.
SPEAKER_06During.
SPEAKER_01I believe. The first seal is the Antichrist.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Well, I thought there were seals about the famine and wars and stuff that we were already saying were already open, though. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER_07Jesus said that was the beginning of the birth pains. So I don't know if that was fully the seals.
SPEAKER_06What was the first seal? Was the first seal was the revealing of the Antichrist? Yeah, the very first seal was the uh rider on the white horse. Okay, so when so all seven seals are opened, and then the trumpets start.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_06They're not like seal, trumpet, seal, trumpet, seal, trumpet.
SPEAKER_07The way I read it, I think it's all seals and then it goes to the trumpets.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because this says the si uh seventh seal is silence in heaven, which ushers in the trumpet judgments. And then subsequently the bullplags.
SPEAKER_06Okay, so what's the first trumpet?
SPEAKER_07The very first trumpet was the rider on the white horse, which would be the Antichrist. No, that's the seal. Oh, the first trumpet, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01Um The first one is hail and fire mixed with blood are hurled to the earth, burning up one third of the trees and all green grass.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
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SPEAKER_05The blood of everyone who's ever died is collected in the earth.
SPEAKER_06In a big bowl. Alright, so you've got it the seven seals start off the seven year tribulation, and then the seven trumpets start after the three and a half year mark, is that what you said? Or did you say they start it wouldn't be at the end.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. So it's the seals and the trumpets.
SPEAKER_06So seals are the f the first three and a half years. Yes. And then the trumpets. Okay. So when does it um were there any seals that say anything about the Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast?
SPEAKER_07Um, other than the very first seal that he's revealed, and then it says, after the three and a half years, the man of lawlessness, which is the Antichrist, takes place in the temple to be like God.
SPEAKER_06Okay, so let's back up a little bit here. So for that part of it, uh, the Bible talks about us knowing the season that we're in that we can see the the times of the signs. So I know a lot of people always talk about um end times, and like everyone's always said that oh, we're getting close to the end times. However, there were a lot of prophecies and things in the Bible that hadn't happened yet. Yeah, but now in our day and age, a lot of this stuff has happened, and we, I mean, it kind of looks like we're closer, way closer than they were, obviously. Um, but whenever you could talk about the Antichrist entering the temple into the the uh third temple, that is uh in Jerusalem where the dome of the rock currently sits, and that's where the Muslims worship Muhammad. So until that is destroyed and they rebuild the temple, um I mean I don't think anything for the end times, the seven-year tribulation really kicks off until that point. However, with the war that's been going on with Israel and Iran and all the stuff in the Middle East, uh I mean, all it would take is one uh missile to be misled, and it wouldn't take much for that to be destroyed, I don't think. Um and have you ever heard of the Temple, the Temple Institute?
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_06Uh I'm guessing Brooke hasn't heard of that either.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_06They're they're I don't I don't even know how long it's been around for, but they basically practice putting up the when they say rebuilding the temple, it's not going to be rebuilding it like how the Dome of the Rock currently looks. Um it's it's basically gonna be like a tabernacle, um, just like a big tent, essentially. But they've been practicing this for I know years. They've already got all the equipment ready to go to rebuild. They've already have the priests trained on how to do um the sacrifices. Um we won't dive into the red heifers, but that's another big um in time prophecy that uh that they're waiting for the two perfect red heifers that are unblemished, have never been yoked or anything like that. Yeah. So basically, when they get those, they're going to sacrifice these two red heifers um because they need the perfect blood to do their sacrificing uh or their cleansing of the the tabernacle. Um but they've already they're already doing trial runs of this. The pre the priests are already trained on how to do everything, they're already ready to build uh the temple, so that all they're doing is waiting. There's go ahead.
SPEAKER_03What who okay, wait. Who is waiting for the heifers?
SPEAKER_07The Jews.
SPEAKER_06If there's two red heifers that are completely unblemished and have never been yoked, they have to be, I mean, spotless and completely perfect red heifers. Completely red, completely red, no blemishes whatsoever. Uh that's their sign that those are the two perfect ones to be sacrificed, and they're going to do basically bring back the sacrificial system, which we don't need because that's why we do that because I thought that's the whenever Jesus decided that's got rid of that. The Jews don't believe that though.
SPEAKER_03Oh, right.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so they don't think that Jesus actually died for our sins, but I think Jesus was just a man.
SPEAKER_05Okay, yeah. All right, that's right. Mind-blowing.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, pretty crazy.
SPEAKER_06So they're gonna bring back the sacrificial system, but they're going to bring it back into the temple when it's rebuilt uh in Jerusalem. Uh, but the Dome of the Rock currently sits there. So until that's gone and they can rebuild their tabernacle. Um, I don't think anything really kicks off for the end times until that's takes place. But everything's already been set in motion and uh it's ready to go. We were just talking about the Neuralink and all the chips and all the government um biometrics, how they have all of our data. Everything is in place for a mark of the B system. Um, yeah, like it's all ready to go. It's it's just basically waiting for something to get the ball rolling, and I think that'll be the point where the Antichrist comes along at some point and is revealed. Um golly, I got way off topic there. What was the question before I interrupted? I think you were answering something, Nick.
SPEAKER_07Um, you were talking about the seven seals and the trumpets. Um the first seven seals was with the earthquake, famines, and the Antichrist was revealed, but hasn't fully taken the position of God yet. And then the very last seal, I believe. The last seal? Or the first trumpet? Either way, God will preserve his people, basically put a mark of protection around them so that his wrath is not inflicted on his people. However, I believe we're still gonna have to face the persecution of the humans of what the Antichrist will try to persecute us for.
SPEAKER_06Are you talking about the the mark of protection is for the people who didn't take the mark of the beast?
SPEAKER_07Yes, yes, for God's people.
SPEAKER_01Uh I can't remember where, but Revelation does say that uh God's people receive a seal on the forehead and they're protected from God's wrath. God's wrath.
SPEAKER_06Of the trumpets, yes. Which is starts after the the second half of the seven-year tribulation.
SPEAKER_07Yes, uh-huh. That's never the Antichrist fully sets himself up and says, I'm God.
SPEAKER_06So and that and he does that in the the the rebuilt temple, which is um s just everything I've studied, which is where the dome of the rock is. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And that's never he ushers in the Mark of the Beasts, you can't buy or sell without this. But it also says that the Christians will be persecuted if you don't take it.
SPEAKER_06So basically it starts off with once the the um the new temple is built and they've got the red heifers and they start the sacrificial system back, if you see the Dome of the Rock is ever destroyed, or something in temple in Jerusalem is destroyed, and they talk about rebuilding it, just know it's close, really, really, really close to the end times. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's that's your sign to watch for. Um yeah, so just always remember that. But uh when that happens, so we've got um we've got the earth, the beginning of the end pains, with there's already tons of earthquakes, and then there's uh already famine and uh Christians being persecuted, which we talked about in Nigeria and China, and I mean it's been going on for decades and decades and decades. So all right, so Nick, tie that into where um your Bible verses that say that we go through the full seven years.
SPEAKER_07Um I know the very last trumpet it says that's never he basically gathers the elect, which also corresponds with Matthew 24, whenever he says, immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and glory, and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds. Very similar to the trumpet, the very last trumpet in Revelation, it goes hand in hand, and it also says uh in Revelation 20, I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded, beheaded for the testimony testimony of Jesus.
SPEAKER_06Ooh, ooh, let me pause you right there. You want to know something really creepy. What? Because you just said the word beheaded. Beheaded. Yeah. Um I think I shared this, I sent this to you guys a whole probably a long time ago. Do you is there any way at all that either one of you remember me sending you on the on Messenger in our group chat um all the guillotines that the US purchased?
SPEAKER_01No, you don't remember that? I think vaguely, but I can't remember no details about it.
SPEAKER_06Um David, try to search for that really quick. Like I just You know how much stuff is in our group chat? No, no, no, it doesn't have to be in our group chat, just like try to like chat GPT something or Google or something. I cannot remember why or where that was, but I remember seeing a news article that said that there were tons of guillotines purchased or something like that. And I was like, why in the world? What why are we purchasing guillotines for? What what isn't this? Ain't the medieval times. Why are we doing that for? Um, but yeah, it's it just made me think of that because you said beheaded. Maybe that's what they bought them for. I'm telling you, everything's coming together. We're just waiting to get the ball rolling here. So go ahead, Nick. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
SPEAKER_07Um, the souls of the ones who are beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, the ones who had not worshiped the beast or its image, they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years, and it clearly says this is the first resurrection. If there was a pre-rapture, that wouldn't make any sense. This would be considered the second rapture or the second resurrection. And then again in John 6, 39 and 40, it says, And this is the will of him who has sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. The last day is with the last trumpet. Whenever we're raptured out on the last trumpet, that's never everybody evil will stay on earth and they'll suffer the bold judgments.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so the bold judgments are after the seven-year period. Those are the final, like, major wrath of God that's poured out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And isn't Thessal is it Second Thessalonians that talks about first the dead will rise and then those who remain?
unknownYep.
SPEAKER_01Did you find anything on that? Uh I see something that says that that was a false claim. Oh really? Yeah. It said they were believed to have thirty thousand guillotines, but Apparently it's been debunked, but how is it debunked?
SPEAKER_06I want to know.
SPEAKER_01Uh fact checkers at USA Today have thoroughly debunked this as entirely fake. So take that as you will.
SPEAKER_03But they say it's part of a conspiracy theory, fear-mongering.
SPEAKER_06That's that's such a weird thing to randomly throw out there for a news article one day to to bring that up though. It was just like I just randomly stumbled across it from some news article. I'm like, well, that's weird. I want to look more into that though. Because I mean that with we can tie that into our first episode where they debunk uh UFOs and try to um what was the very first one with Roswell where they said it was a flying craft and then within a day they d said, Oh, it was actually just a weather balloon. It's easy for them to change their stories. Yeah. But I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I think it's part of the part of the collective, especially with like AI the way that it is now. Once you don't know what to believe, it's easier to be really confused about things that are even true.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that makes sense. Um go ahead, Nick. Sorry.
SPEAKER_07Um First Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17. Again it says, For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and again with the sound of a trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first, and we who are alive, who are left, will be caught together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Very clearly again with the last trumpet.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's definitely sounds like it's uh more of a set full a full seven years before the rapture. Yeah. So Kurt Cameron lied to me with all these movies.
SPEAKER_07I mean, John Darby's theory sounds good and it eases a lot of people's fears. It's comforting. Very comforting, but I don't want people to be deceived and have the Mark of the Beast come out and be like, well, this can be the Mark of the Beast because the rapture hasn't happened yet. And freely take it.
SPEAKER_06And freely take it, exactly. Well, the Mark of the Beast is supposed to happen after the three and a half year mark, after the Antichrist breaks his peace deal. So the first three and a half years, the Antichrist makes peace with the Middle East. Yeah. Um, so it's not supposed to be terrible until he breaks his peace deal.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you're supposed to have like your famine and an earthquake. Yeah, but nothing compared to what's coming.
SPEAKER_06So then the Antichrist goes into the temple, which, like I said earlier, the Dome the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. He goes into the temple and he proclaims that he's God and he wants to be worshipped, and breaks his peace deal, and that's basically when everything goes downhill from there. Um so I forgot where I was going with this point. Um everything that you've really talked about does kind of point towards the seven-year tribulation. Like we don't we don't basically miss out on that. Yeah. Um yeah, and as John Darby's thing was definitely comforting just to say, Oh, yeah, if you're a Christian, you don't have to deal with anything. But the Bible never says anything about I mean, if you think about it, all the um disciples or anyone that's uh I mean prophets or basically Christians in general. I mean, you never get that nothing good ever really happens to your fleshly body.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, all the disciples were killed except for one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, in in terrible ways. Um Jesus himself was persecuted.
SPEAKER_07Why should we be any different?
SPEAKER_06Right. That's what I always like to bring up. My point is that we were made from dirt. I think we think a little bit too highly of ourselves sometimes. I mean, we're uh we're no different than any other animal, other than the fact that God allowed us to have a conscious and think for ourselves.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. But a lot of the uh pre-trib views, like, well, this is for the divine wrath of God. Why would we be here for that? But it clearly says that we're gonna be marked with his seal for protection or for his wrath. We're still gonna be persecuted for the human sake, but for God's wrath, no.
SPEAKER_06Right. And that's yeah, that that makes a lot of sense. We're just dealing with the human flesh and not the spiritual um side of things where that God's yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think that's why also Jesus also said that's why he says those who want to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and it's obviously way more important to be more worried about your spiritual side of things than just your earthly, fleshly body.
SPEAKER_07And again, in Revelation 13. If anyone is to be taken captive to captivity, he must go. If anyone is to is to be slain with a sword, with a sword, he must be slain. This is a call for endurance in faith of the saints.
SPEAKER_06Alright, so let's wrap up the rapture here. I mean your point what you got a question?
SPEAKER_03I have I have many questions. Okay. But I don't know how far how far off they're gonna get, but I'm gonna ask them anyway because I'm kind of almost panicking at this moment. Um okay, so are kids included in this pre in this like in the if you're saying that there's evidence that there's likely not going to be, or there's nothing that points to it, but like a pre, you know, we're leaving before the pre tribulation, then is there like I mean, are kids around for the tribulation?
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Well, why would they not be? They're not just gonna disappear.
SPEAKER_03I mean, like as a parent, what are you gonna do if someone takes your kid away and I mean like how bad is it? I mean, I I I kind of don't want to know. I mean, if Christians are gonna be um I mean, what was it in India?
SPEAKER_07There was like 2,000 Christians that were just uh slaughtered just like last year.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I mean what was it, a thousand something already this year in Nigeria you said earlier?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like oh is that Nigeria? Yeah. Okay, well that's what I was referring to, yeah. Oh, okay. I completely missed that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, someone takes your kids away, you're not just gonna stand there and be like, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_07Oh no. I mean, like, what I mean, all throughout the Bible Christians were persecuted. Even we were touching on Nero just what a little while back, which that's a whole nother subject. Yeah, we gotta do that on a different connection to revelation with that, but um I forgot how many Christians were persecuted through that. And even if you think of Hitler, like the Jews that he persecuted, it that that's just something we have to face in in this life. Yep.
SPEAKER_01He does say, like Jesus said in Matthew 10, 37, anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me. Anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. I feel like that could be a preparation for the events that could take place in this world for following him.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I mean, we talk about the great deception and um how we we wonder a lot of times like how can in the Bible these uh like the Israelites and um just different people, they the kings and stuff that they one minute they worship God, then the next minute they're immediately worshing uh worshiping the lowercase g gods. Um, but I mean it's kind of like to Brooks' point, if they were like, oh, if a we'll say a lowercase G God came up to you and said, Oh, well, your kids will be safe. You ain't got nothing to worry about if you worship us and we can do this and this for you, versus the one true God saying, Well, for my name's sake, um you're gonna be persecuted and there's you know, you're not your safety's not guaranteed, um, but you have a heavenly reward. I you know, when you think of it like that, it'd be a lot easier to say, Well, I want my kids to be safe. Yeah. Um I mean the Bible also says for anyone who loses their life will gain it.
SPEAKER_07And it also says that the um the uh fear that you're facing now is nothing compared to the joy that's coming.
SPEAKER_06Right. That's that's that's the big point is you gotta remember that we're on the earth for a very short time versus all of eternity in heaven.
SPEAKER_05But what were we what was we talking about before that?
SPEAKER_06Oh no, uh Brooke had lots of questions. Do you have another question? I guess not. So do you have another question before we continue?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, hold on.
SPEAKER_06I'm going to uh well hang on while she's getting her question together here. I was going to tie in the misconception part, but go ahead whenever you're ready with your question.
SPEAKER_03Okay, the second question is like I mean, I know that we don't know when it's supposed to happen, but like what's stopping all of us from like amassing great huge amounts on our credit cards and just going all out for preparing.
SPEAKER_07Well, I mean, I think you just answered yourself.
SPEAKER_03Because we don't know. We don't know.
SPEAKER_07We don't know. It may not even be in this lifetime, it could be just setting up like what Zach was just talking about, like with uh Neuralink and stuff like that. It's coming. We know that, but we just have to hold on to our faith and trust that Jesus is greater than any kind of persecution that we're ever gonna face.
SPEAKER_06Actually, uh there was a whole topic that I had about that exact question. Uh I was actually listening on another podcast that there's a guy who was who was talking about you we don't know the exact day and the hour, but it does say we'll know the signs of the times. And that's why we like talking about this stuff because we think we're seeing the signs of the times. But he was also brought, he said that exact same point was that doesn't mean to max out your credit cards and not go to work and not worry about anything uh because we don't know the exact day and time, but he was estimating like the year um 2060s to 2070s. Uh it's a whole prophecy thing he laid out, which made so much sense. Uh he tied into like the 70 weeks of Daniel and things like that. Yeah, yeah. Well that'll be well, that'll have to be a different episode too, because that one that'll take forever to explain that one. That'd be another hour and a half long trying to talk about that. But um it made a lot of sense that 2070 could be a pretty um prophetic year, I guess. Although I've also heard about 2033 being a pretty important year as well, uh especially the 2030 agenda. Um I don't want to dive into all that either because we can save that for other episodes. So if any of that stuff sounds interesting to you, make sure that you continue to follow us and listen for those episodes coming in the future. Uh, but yeah, that was um that was his big point was make sure you're you're not doing things like that because we don't know when. I mean, even if it was in the year 2070s, we'll be probably dead by then. We'll be old.
SPEAKER_03We in 2060, we would be in our we would be like 65 or 66, 67-ish.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. See, I'm gonna be gone by the time I'm like 55. Brooke's already told me she's our uh life insurance plan. I'm gonna be at work one day, I'm gonna be working on a roof. Wait, maybe I shouldn't say this on a podcast because then they're gonna get me for insurance fraud. Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no. It's not fraud though, if this legit happens. Oh my god. I'm gonna I'm uh if I accidentally fall off a ladder at work and die and Brooke gets my insurance payout, there's her retirement money.
SPEAKER_03They go through your things to make sure it was for real, not on purpose.
SPEAKER_06Hey, if uh there's a security camera round and it sees my ladder break and I fall to my death, I that I I can't help I predicted my future. Wow. Just gotta make sure you got that million dollar payout policy. But by the year 20, how many years is that from now? 20 wow, how what year will it be when I'm 55? That's another 2 years? 22 years. It's what year is this? 2026, 2048? 2048. 2048. Golly, that seems like so long away, but it's only another 20-something years. Um yeah, I don't I don't think they'd go back that 20-something years to listen to episode uh what two okay, but you could die before then is the problem. Well, if I die before then, then it won't be it won't be me falling off of a ladder. It probably would have been a legit accident. Wow. Anyways, yeah, it'll be you pushing me off. We have gotten so far off track. What what even brought that up? I don't know. Um oh, about not knowing the uh the specific day of the end times, so don't like just do whatever. Uh which the Bible always talks about being prepared for the end times. Can't remember the exact Bible verse for that one either. Um always be watching for his return, basically.
SPEAKER_07I mean, there is a chance I am completely wrong, but the way I read it, that's the way I understand it, it's with post-tribulation rapture. But that's the whole purpose of this podcast is just to dive into the Bible and pretty much find it out yourself.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and if you got questions or you think we're totally wrong, that's why you can email us at expandingsunday at gmail.com or I don't even know. I don't even use Instagram, but can you yeah, you can message on Instagram? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_07This is a really great debate, so I would love to hear uh questions and answers.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, we'd love to debate you, but if you say it's a pre-trib, you're wrong, we're not debating you. But if you got if you got some points for a mid or post that back us up, yeah, please let us know. We'd love to know. Um, but yeah, so we are going we tied the rapture and into things that are happening with the Neurolink and the biometric IDs and all that stuff. Um, but we still have one more big point talking point we gotta get before we close out here.
SPEAKER_07Where are we at?
SPEAKER_06Uh on our time. We are almost to an hour. Uh we're probably about an hour.
SPEAKER_07Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_06So let's let's uh we gotta get this point though.
SPEAKER_07The yeah, the uh God will give us more than we can handle, and that pretty much ties into the rapture.
SPEAKER_06And that's a very common misconception that people say, Oh, well, God won't give you more than you can handle. Well, guess what? Yeah, he will.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that is not true whatsoever. Um, that is taken out of the verse, I think it's 1 Corinthians 10 13, where it says, God will not tempt you more than you can be able to bear. Yes, and that is completely different than God giving you more than you can handle.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, all throughout the Bible, God gives people more than they can handle to uh essentially break them down to prove that you have to rely on God for all things because God gives you strength and all things that you do is through God.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And anytime that someone thinks that they can do something without God, he gives them more than they can handle and proves them wrong. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Um one of my favorite Bible stories, which we're gonna get into one of these episodes, is Elijah. And he basically had so much to handle that he just spared even life itself and begged God to basically take his life.
SPEAKER_06Even uh Job was pretty similar to that, I think. Um but yeah, there's tons of stories like that that God gives uh people way more than they can handle. Yeah, and it's for you to basically fall on your face and say, Hey God, I can't do this on my own. Yeah, uh this I I only do what I can through you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Um I can't really speak for Brooke, but I know everything that she went through with her daughter is way more than she can handle.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_06And even now, she's still way more than we can handle. That's why you probably hear her talking and doing stuff in the background of all this sound, and I'm not trying to edit all that out because she's literally been in here the entire time that we have. So yeah, uh did we have any more verses for the that God won't give you more than you can handle?
SPEAKER_01No, I think it's pretty much that one.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that's pretty much the only verse that people take out of context.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And but you see it throughout all the Bible stories that you will get more than you can handle. And I mean just life itself. I mean all the bad things in the world that happen are just more than most people can handle, even.
SPEAKER_06Alright, so yeah, we're obviously yes, God gives us more than we can handle. So let's uh lighten the mood here and have a word of encouragement. So Nick, go ahead.
SPEAKER_07Um, James chapter one, verses two and three. Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Also, in Psalm 30 and verse 5, it says, weeping may stay for the night, but rejoicing comes in the morning. Could you just imagine the day we see Jesus face to face?
SPEAKER_06Absolutely. Yeah, that that was a pretty good one. That's uh always a good sign. If you're being persecuted, you're obviously on the right side. I'd rather be persecuted than the one doing the persecution.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06For real. Uh David, what you got?
SPEAKER_01Uh Isaiah 41, 10. So do not fear, for I am with you. Do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
SPEAKER_06All right, I've got kind of a long one. I'm gonna read quite a bit of first Thessalonians chapter five here, uh, which is the day of the Lord. Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you, for you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying there is peace and security, then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief, for you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. So then let us not sleep as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober, for those who sleep sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep, we might live with Him. Therefore, encourage one another and build one another up just as you are doing. Alright, that's all I had for that verse. Um yeah, so it sounds scary. The whole rapture, it does not sound fun.
SPEAKER_07But the rapture sounds fun. The beforehand not fun. Oh, right, right. We're still not gonna face God's judgment, so to speak. Yeah, so it's gonna be facing the human judgments.
SPEAKER_06Uh three and a half years of I know it's the seven-year tribulation period, but it's really the three and a half years. Yeah, yeah. Because the first three and a half years are not as bad. I mean, there's still the earthquakes and famines and but nothing compared to what's coming to the last three and a half years. Yep. So yeah, just remember to keep an eye on the Dome of the Rock and the uh the new temple that's that would have to take place to really know when the end times are for sure hitting us. But hopefully maybe we're wrong, and maybe it's a I still don't think it's a pre the pre-trib rapture.
SPEAKER_07It just It is a very good debate. I will say that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I I just can't see it. Maybe uh there's there are a few verses that supported the mid-trib after the three and a half year mark. Yeah, so yeah, if you're uh if you're a mid-trib kind of person, talk to us and let us know because we would love to debate it. Um yeah, so that's what we got. Any closing statements here?
SPEAKER_07Just focus on the joy of the Lord.
SPEAKER_06David, you got anything?
SPEAKER_05Brooke, you got anything?
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SPEAKER_06Nailed it.
SPEAKER_04There may come a mark on the forehead or hand, a sign of allegiance that equals command, a system that watches both great and the least. And I may buy ourselves without serving the beast. The tools are already beginning to show up. Our such system of tracking gold from the way for the last day, will be with me. Seven years of night, seven years of life, still the faithful to everlasting life, and the trumpets at the end of the day, it's a glory as it goes, it's just before the balls of judgment falling from the ball. So every day we cleaned the clear save. And faithfully.
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