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Ryan and Will return to the studio with a reboot, relaunch, and rebrand of their pre-COVID era podcast. In this episode of the newly renamed Pineapple Podcast, our host catch us up on where they've been, where they are going, and how they got here today.
Okay, so red light is on. Jeez, it's been a long time since we've actually used this thing.
SPEAKER_01Got dust all over it.
SPEAKER_02I know, I know. Green bars are green barring.
SPEAKER_01Up and down, up and down.
SPEAKER_02I hear you, you hear me. Uh okay, so it's August 2026. My name is Ryan.
SPEAKER_01I'm Will.
SPEAKER_02We are hospitality fanatics, experience enthusiasts, and longtime friends. This is the Buddy Podcast you didn't know that you needed. In this reboot, relaunch, and rebrand, Will and I talk about where we've been, where this show is going, and how we got here today. This is the new I Neville Podcast. Let's go. We're back. Let's do this again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, let's try this again.
SPEAKER_02Are we back or is this new? What w where are we? A reboot, a continuation?
SPEAKER_01Um Yes. Sure. Yeah. Um The Multiverse.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I'm pretty sure that was even an episode that we never even we had notes for stuff. We did Will's word, and there was there was even a reboot, uh uh a relaunch, uh a sequel, a prequel.
SPEAKER_01Uh I mean we had enough stuff, um, and then it just kinda I mean we had several episodes worth of content.
SPEAKER_02We just never and like three of the actual recordings.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Leading up to this, I was thinking, um, you know, it's uh it's been it's been uh it's been several months. Like it's been nearly a year since the last time we did this. And uh then I was thinking more, I it's not been nearly a year, has it? It's been No. When is the last time we actually created content?
SPEAKER_01Um I believe it was 2021. Okay, that's it was post it was post-COVID. Because we had started and then put it on hold and then we became safe-ish to be around other people. We decided to do it again, and then life happened. Yeah. And those months turn into more months, turn into years.
SPEAKER_02Like five years worth of life. Five years. Which is almost uh kind of consistent with our friendship. Yeah. The ebbs and flows. Right.
SPEAKER_01Since like 2004. Yeah. Um see, so that was twenty-two years ago.
SPEAKER_02Um I employ people that are not as old as our friendship.
SPEAKER_01And how does that make you feel? I am so old.
SPEAKER_02At first, when I started as the the department head of a team that's mostly 16 to 23 year olds, and they would come into my office and they would ask me questions, like non-work-related stuff, advice. Uh, it was endearing. I I felt kind of this warm sense of look, I'm getting to be a big brother. And then I did the math, and I'm not a big brother. I'm their dad.
SPEAKER_01You're their work dad.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That's weird.
SPEAKER_01That that that is weird.
SPEAKER_02We had we had to put a quick stop when one of them actually they would sometimes refer to me as dad. Hey, look, go ask dad. Something. Yeah. Uh then one of them accidentally slipped and it said uh go ask daddy. I'm like, no, no, no. We're not not doing that one.
SPEAKER_01No. No. No, that's got HR violation written all over it.
SPEAKER_02100%. So yeah, life and years past, and we okay. Here we are and we used to have a studio. Yes. And uh today we are uh we're in my parlor of mysteries, uh the seance room adjacent to the cabinet of curiosities, uh which is all just words for s sitting my dining room table next to a bunch of my magic stuff. That of course now we've it's decorated for Halloween. For Halloween. Tis the season. Yep. But uh we used to have a studio. We did.
SPEAKER_01What happened? We got evicted. Um You evicted us. I did. Uh it just I got I got too much stuff in it, and I I can't fit two people in there anymore. And um I have a very loud cat who would would not leave us alone if we were in there right now. And it would just take a lot to edit her out.
SPEAKER_02Understood. Yeah. Uh yeah. Fortunately, uh Crypto the Super Dog is content at the moment to just lay on the Ottoman and and sleep. Which is what he used to do also when I was during COVID and I was working from home. And the original reason why I got this equipment so I could do online training, lead training from home on Zoom, and he would just lay next to me and fall asleep listening to me talk to people on Zoom.
SPEAKER_01Dogs are good at that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And then we actually started using it for the podcasting purpose that it was intended.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, finally. So let's let's let's think it back just a little bit, because you know, you mentioned that this kind of ebb and flow over the years kind of mirrors our our friendship. So, you know, let's kind of talk about how that started. So it's uh 2004, right? Um I was in college, and you were you had just graduated from college and were working there. Correct. And you had approached me to participate in a focus group.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Because I at at the Rosen College of Hospitality, at that time, the number one major, and you know, probably still to this day I'm betting, number one major was event management, which translated into everybody wanted to be a wedding planner. And it was mostly women. And every time as an admissions professional there, every time that I was wanting to do something and get feedback from the student body, it was just a bunch of female event management wedding planner majors. And I was given a specific directive from my director. Go get some men to give you some input. We need we need to mix this up a bit.
SPEAKER_01So go look for all four of us.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Yep, that's pretty much all I found. And so I went for a walk and I found you and I said, Hey, we're gonna have a focus group, and there's gonna be free pizza. Come on over, give your opinion. You looked like a person that would share his opinion, and I wasn't. You weren't wrong. You weren't wrong, yeah. Um and you're like, sure. And you signed up on the sheet, and I walked away and I looked at him thinking, yes, I got one. I looked at the sheet and I said, Will Rogers. I said, damn it. He put a bogus name.
SPEAKER_01Now let's let's let's be clear here for a minute, because there are probably people old enough or not old enough to know who Will Rogers was. So you know I'll just acknowledge that and and give people a few seconds to Google that.
SPEAKER_02The second most famous Will Rogers. Correct. Yeah. I've done zero research to confirm that, but I'm not sure. You don't have to, it's yeah, yeah, facts. Yeah, yeah. Now I would like to point out um doing this here in our studio, I I do uh I do host you with uh only the finest of I mean and and I'm I'm not saying this facetiously. This is nice glassware that we are drinking Bacardi and Pepsi Zero out of. Uh etched with the longitudes and latitudes. In fact, I'm I'm mostly positive. I think you actually gave me these glasses. Maybe. This looks like something that you would have got me. One of them is the longitude and latitude of Orlando, so a place where we've both lived, and the other one is the longitude and latitude of Las Vegas. Las Vegas, yes, where you lived. Where I lived and and you have been many a time.
SPEAKER_01Many a times. And I think we've hung out a couple times at Vegas when you were still living out there. Yep.
SPEAKER_02Yep, and you were you were flying out, and whether it was a quick stop or a layover.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and somehow, so you had moved out to Vegas for a few years. So we you know we spent time, very formidable years, hanging out here in Orlando, uh, you know, maybe probably about three or four years or so. And then You moved. I moved to Chicago. Yep. And I was up there for six years, and you had gotten a job where you were a globetrotter. You were just all ends of the earth. And how how long were you doing that?
SPEAKER_02Um not quite three years. So a little two years plus. Um thirty-eight states, twenty-seven countries just living out of a suitcase. Um about twenty to twenty-five days worth of travel a month.
SPEAKER_01That's a lot.
SPEAKER_02That was it was uh an insane pace, but definitely it was a great experience. It was fun for those two plus years where my apartment was essentially nothing more than uh a climate-controlled uh storage unit. Storage unit. Right. Right. Come come home and unpack, do some laundry, pay some bills, repack, hit the road again.
SPEAKER_01And then after you did that for a few years, you got back home to Orlando, and then you were like, you know what? I'm gonna move to China.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it it eventually right. I I worked for a local mouse and did that for I guess a little over a year here in Orlando, and then had the opportunity with the same mouse to go to China for 13 months. And then that ended, and I think I guess you were still in Chicago at the time. I think so. Okay.
SPEAKER_01I was in Chicago until 2014.
SPEAKER_02Yes. So you're still in Chicago at the time. Uh then my time in China ended, and there was no role for me to come back to with the mouse. So came back over and uh I did a couple of different things briefly until I ended up with my current company, which sent me out to Las Vegas.
SPEAKER_01Las Vegas. I mean, and there are worse places to be. And I think it's interesting too that you spent so much time, so many formidable years in Orlando, a very hospitality and entertainment-focused city, and then end up in probably the only one that's better in in Las Vegas.
SPEAKER_02They are so very similar, the two cities. Um the the clientele, more or less, is similar, the entertainment offerings is similar, Vegas is so small compared to Orlando. Orlando uh it takes thirty minutes minimum to get out of your neighborhood. Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Anywhere. Vegas, 30 to 45 minutes, you can be from one side of town clear to the other side of town because as I said, you're surrounded by mountains. You can only go so far before you're out in the desert on your way to California.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think it is definitely more manageable from that standpoint, from a geographic standpoint. But going back to the similarities and it being a very hospitality-focused town, everybody thinks of Vegas, you think of the strip, and nothing else exists out of the strip. When you told me where you lived, the the part of town you lived in, I was like, what is this? I've never, I've never I didn't know that was a place. And it just happened to be a suburb that was, you know, like a a couple miles away from the strip. There is an entire life, an entire culture, local culture of Vegas that has nothing to do with the strip. And I feel that way with Orlando. I'm always having to defend Orlando, that it's not just a convention center and iDrive, it's not just the theme parks. There are great neighborhoods, great little adjacent towns and cities where we all live and play and and you know have great meals and go out to see shows and basketball games and everything. But it just it does it, it kind of always lives in the shadow of you know the theme parks and and the attractions, just the same way that Vegas does with the strip and the other all the entertainment and everything out there.
SPEAKER_02Well, as an Orlando resident, how often do you go to Disney?
SPEAKER_01Never.
SPEAKER_02And the same with Vegas. When the only time well, okay. If somebody was coming, if family or friends were coming to visit you, and especially if it was like their first time in Orlando, you're you're probably gonna they want to go to Disney. And you're probably gonna feel somewhat obligated to have to go to Disney with them, right?
SPEAKER_01Uh I I think a previous version of me would have felt obligated, but now I think it'd be like, go out and enjoy, I'll I'll buy you dinner later. Thank you someplace local.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Well well, almost the same. In Vegas, we would everybody, everybody that lived there try to do whatever they can to avoid the strip. We'd be we'd even try our best to drive out of our way to not have to cross the strip. Unless people are coming to visit. Uh everybody wants to go to the strip. You gotta they want to go to the casinos, they want to go see the shows, uh, some of the really cool celebrity restaurants.
SPEAKER_01So it's kind of hard. The girls with the feathers trying to get their pictures taken on the strip.
SPEAKER_02There are there were always uh specific shows that if somebody was coming to visit, I would want to go. I would want them to experience that show. And since my wife was a concierge at the time, she had hookups with the tickets, either free or super discounted. So go see see the free show, see the discounted show. The the two things that I always wanted people to experience when they came to Vegas, the only times I ever really wanted to go to this trip. I wanted to see, wanted them to see Zombie Burlesque, and I wanted them to eat at the Heart Attack Grill. There are so many better restaurants you could go to in Vegas, but every major city now has celebrity restaurants. The Heart Attack Grill is a kind of thing that could only happen in Vegas. 100%. Uh when you when you check in, and it's at probably one of the most touristy intersections. It's right there on Fremont and Las Vegas Boulevard. So the old part of the show. Old school. Yeah. Um and when you check in, actually you weigh in before you go there. So it at the I believe it's like maybe 350 pounds or something if you were if you were whatever the requirement, let's say 350, you eat for free. So they they they reward guests of size uh and appetite. And so when you check in, they put you into a hospital gown, and the nurses' servers escort you to the table. Uh the the menu, very simple, it's hamburgers and hot dogs, fries, uh onion rings, shakes, and so very basic. But the burgers are ridiculous. You get a single, you get a double, you get a triple. You can get the octople bypass. So something like eight patties, twenty pieces of cheese, uh maybe thirty strips of bacon.
SPEAKER_01Sounds like that could be the last meal that you eat.
SPEAKER_02I I I think that is maybe the goal. I guess even bad publicity is good publicity.
SPEAKER_01What kind of insurance does this place out?
SPEAKER_02And then uh if you got uh if you got wine, they'd bring you uh an IV bag on a pole and you suck the wine through the hose. Classy. If you A. Vegas is classy. Uh if you got a shot, it came in an actual syringe, actual shot. If you were, say, getting a a rum and coke, they would bring you your your mixer, and then they bring you a giant pill bottle that's got the liquor in it, so you would actually mix your own. Okay. And the most notable thing there was whatever you order, you gotta clean your plate. So assuming that I liked you, if I'm gonna refer you to go have dinner at the Heart Attack Grill, I would warn you, order conservatively. Get like a get a single, get a plate of fries for the table. Everybody doesn't need their own plate of fries, and um milkshake, and milkshakes are big. Because if you don't clean your plate, in the middle of the room there's this big column. There's TVs, there's TV monitors all around the room, a big column, and there's handrails on the column, and then there's a couple of webcams there. So if you don't clean your plate, the nurse will come and escort you to the column at the center of the restaurant where you would have to hold on to the handrails, bend over, face in the camera, where we can all see you now, and they would get on a giant wooden paddle. Three, three wax across your backside. I saw uh children cry because Daddy was getting spanked. I've thought.
SPEAKER_01And now Daddy's probably laughing.
SPEAKER_02I saw grown men intentionally not clean their plates. So, you know, uh again, it's a classy place. And Vegas has something for everybody. Right. And then the that the other show, zombie burlesque, just it's many burlesque shows in Vegas, but a lot of them uh it's kind of weird to say that some some a lot of burlesque shows are just boring. Okay. But they were. A lot of burlesque shows were boring, but this was and still is, it is still currently running. It's fun, it's kitschy, it's it's not your scary walking dead kind of zombies. This is like 1950s style green skin, huge hair, uh and so very talented performers. Uh such amazing skill. And then, of course, there's a sexy element. Of course. Uh one of the favorite, one of my favorite numbers, is a a bottle of vodka and a box of jello come dancing out onto the stage. And they uh fall in love. And that's and and that's how jello shots are born. And so the zombies would come out into the audience, they bring free jello shots for everybody. Freshly f freshly uh birthed. Yes. Yeah. And so that's that is when I would go to the strip. And even still here in Orlando, there's times where I'm I'm compelled, I need to go, friends or family are in town. Okay, let's let's go to Disney. Yeah, go regenerate, Disney Springs.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So you had your time in Vegas. Uh I had moved back to Orlando uh for a few years, couple uh two two or three years. And around that time, you were moving back to Orlando. And we ended up living very close together.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01Unintentionally.
SPEAKER_02You sent me a text message. You're like, uh, my wife and I just moved into a townhouse. You sent me a text message, hey, we're looking for a place. Do you know anything about this neighborhood? And you send me the address. And so I put it into my Google map. I screenshot it, and I sent it back to you with the two little pins. You were like like the pop band, you were three doors down. Oh, totally.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Literally three doors down.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Which was great for happy hour.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. We just walk down the street with a bottle of wine or a 12-pack and then stumble back when we're done.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Yeah, because um uh beneficially or or or uh deconstructively, uh your wife is great with hospitality, but that usually meant by the time my wife and I got there, your wife already has additional drinks ready. We already got one in one hand, and it's anticipating guests' needs.
SPEAKER_01Okay. That's right. Anticipate the needs. Yeah. So uh we were neighbors there for a little bit, then we, you know, you bought a house, I bought a house, different sides of town, uh, which meant we're not hanging out, not spending as much time together as we used to. But we somehow always ended up in environments that were very hospitality and entertainment focused. And which kind of brings us to where we are now, where it's like we've had two deck two plus decades, which kind of hurts to say, of friendship and you know, being in this environment of hospitality and entertainment, uh, you know, having arts and entertainment backgrounds ourselves before getting into the industry, and having lived in a very hospitality and entertainment-focused town, and then having the good fortune of having jobs and other opportunities that allow us to travel to a lot of places. I mean, you're all over the world. I spent a lot of time in Europe, I spent a lot of time you know here uh domestically, going to other cities, especially out on the West Coast, you know, me having lived in Chicago for a little bit. We come back now with all this uh all these experiences and this. New perspective that maybe makes us rethink about where we are now and what we appreciate about it, and maybe what we dislike about it too. But I think we also come back a little bit richer from like a personal fulfillment standpoint. I mean, definitely not financially, at least for me, uh, because of the things that we've been able to see, the places that we've been able to go.
SPEAKER_02And definitely all those experiences in between. Um which we had kind of hit on this earlier when we were talking about bringing this back uh 'cause just like moving around and 2004 to to now, and it's not uncommon for months or even years to separate us b without separating us. Uh now that we're jumping back into this, it's it's not a reboot, it's not a uh restart, it's it's its own thing. But we did change one significant thing. We talked about we talked about uh what the direction was going to be. We uh we met somewhere, I'm sure there was it was either food or or alcohol.
SPEAKER_01I think there was Guinness involved.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Yes, yes, okay. We went we met at that bar. We met at that beer place, which that wasn't an adventure in itself, just trying to find the place. It was an adventure for you. Well, yeah, it was an adventure for because who puts what what's the name of that place? Where did we go? Paddywagon. Paddy wagon. Paddy wagon in Orlando. Um who puts two of the exact same bar within five miles of each other? So I'm leaving work and I go, hey Ryan, meet me at the paddy wagon. Okay, I'm on my way, I've never been there before. And so I head to the paddy wagon. I recognize, oh, dang, I actually have been here before. Once long ago, I came here for a viewing party. Place was packed. Because there's a retirement party for some Disney executive. So I find the only empty space all the way in the back, I find two bar stools, and we sit there over in their corners, gonna camp out and wait for you to get there, and get a beer. And then you show up. You're like, Ryan, there's no retirement party here. In fact, I don't even see your car here. Like, nah, I'm here. You're not looking hard enough. I know there's a lot of cars, and maybe you miss my car.
SPEAKER_01Uh which is hard to do.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. And so uh got to send you a picture. Like, hey, here I am. I'm at the paddy wagon, holding a beer. That's when we discover that that's totally the wrong The wrong location. Yep. So throw that one back, get in the car, find you at the other paddy wagon, and uh and that's when we discussed the direction for this. And what we wanted to talk about, about with regards to the experience hospitality and and experiences, and that hospitality is more than just the hotels and the restaurants. Because or or or even just the theme parks here in Orlando, it's the experience that it creates. And we kind of wanted to focus on that. But then we even talk talked about the show itself. We talked about Will's Word. So what what is what was Will's Word? Because now we're not we're we're not going by that anymore.
SPEAKER_01No, uh we're not. Um so Will's Word, uh, all two episodes, well, I mean there were like more than that recorded, but the two that were distributed uh was just me uh taking a word to use as a as a topic or a theme, and then you and I would talk about that for a half hour or so. And then I realized, why would anybody care about what I want to talk about and how do we distill it down to one word? Um so I thought, you know, we could we could do better, and you know, I just sat on it, back burner for all these years, and then I was really getting an itch to do a podcast again uh or something similar to that. And it and it just so happened that uh you know you had reached out to me to to see if you we wanted to grab lunch and uh you know, just typical conversation about catching up. Oh, hey, what's on your mind? Oh, you know, I uh kind of want to do a podcast again. Uh oh, it's funny that you mentioned that.
SPEAKER_02Right? Uh and so something that I had done well around the same time the way it meant in 2004 when I was working at the hospitality college was creating these pineapple podcasts. It started very small. It started as a faculty member, I would do these pineapple posts because hospitality college, the pineapple is the symbol of hospitality.
SPEAKER_01It made sense.
SPEAKER_02Right, and well, okay, alright. And then I learned, evidently, pineapple also has another. Now, now yes.
SPEAKER_01You're talking about a right side up pineapple.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. See, it wasn't I I had always embraced the pineapple. Hospitality, pineapple.
SPEAKER_01Just embrace it right side up, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Well it it Yeah, other ways I mean I'm not judg you know, that's different, right? Um it was, I think it was a cruise. It was a cruise that we discovered. Uh my wife and I would commonly decorate our door on cruise ships, metal doors, and it's uh very trendy to you can either purchase magnetic things to put on your door or create your own, and we would do something for the door either specific to the occasion or just whatever. And one year we had customized pineapple magnets on our door. And within maybe a day or two into the cruise, our pineapple magnets were stolen.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_02I right. It was a pineapple thief, and I didn't really understand then why of all all the previous cruises or all the different decorations, why only did somebody want to steal our pineapples? And and then I learned, then I learned the the secret reason. Well, it's not so secret, it's a whole culture of the upside-down pineapple. Now, again, I've done no in-depth research about this, because uh I don't need that cluttering up my browser.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that'll mess up your algorithm right there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But either, my theory is either uh maybe ship's crew decided, nah nah nah, we'll need you advertising that on your door, and so ship's crew might have taken away our pineapples, or maybe a little bit more likely, it was some other guess.
SPEAKER_01I think they were probably upside down on the door to cabin 469. Yeah. You may be right. I think that's what happened. Or a bet man, that's where that's where my money would be. So, to your question, so here we are. Uh we decided to reboot the podcast. Or revisit whatever. Uh and so we're kind of taking some of the ideas of Will's Word, but baking it into how our experiences uh you know and and and our growth over the years has been a direct result of hospitality, not necessarily because we're in the industry, but also the hospitality that we have experienced in all of our travels and all of our you know experiences over the past uh you know past two decades. So it made sense to rebrand this with something that you know was tied to tied to hospitality.
SPEAKER_02And I think here's what I want. Here's what I want to see. With the hospitality, with uh our access to so many experiences, both here or out, my travels, you're I I'm not traveling nearly as much as I was, but you're flying places all the time. Um I want to see a focus on those new experiences. Something different, something that makes what makes that one restaurant different? Uh what is uh you've you've really not been to any conventions. You've you've been to some industry conventions, but you for example, you've never been to uh Megacon here in Orlando, correct?
SPEAKER_01Not not yet.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01I'm a little intimidated, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02Uh you and I did go to some of the some of the other industry things, like we went to Surf Expo long ago. Uh you joined me for IAPA last year. But the most fun by far. Absolutely. Uh things like that. Things the season for for spooky stuff. Yeah. Pumpkin spice is going to be out within days, which means all the other Halloween things. So we need to go all in on some of these experiences, whether it's homework assignments for each of us. Hey, we'll go check out this thing, Ryan, go check out this thing. Uh we plan some some group outings, bring along the esposas, go do something. Whether that's the more mainstream uh Halloween Horror Nights. Uh what's the one at Busch Gardens and Sea World? What's that called?
SPEAKER_01Oh uh Bush Gardens, uh Hollow Scream. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And they're both. Now it's uh Hollowscream at both locations. Or maybe some of the the smaller, more local haunts like the Petrified Forest and uh Sir Henry's and Screamageddon, which Screamageddon is.
SPEAKER_01That's I want to sign the waiver.
SPEAKER_02A way you they don't even let you in without the the waiver. You want to wear the necklace. I want to wear the necklace. Down for whatever. Yep. Pull you out of the line and put you in a totally separate house. Uh and then we we bring those experiences back.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And you know, in addition to just you know reflecting on the experiences that we've already had uh you know here here and abroad. And you know, also just uh even smaller things at home too, just like you know, maybe the random Tuesday evening at the East End Market or going to Delmu or whatever comes along.
SPEAKER_02Uh well we've got a list that we need to make. Uh get out, get those experiences, bring it back to the dining room table until a the studio becomes accessible again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Or maybe it doesn't have to be.
SPEAKER_01You know maybe we could just hang out here with the the daylight and crypto and I dig the vibe.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. It's and also I'm not really entirely certain that the decor is going to come down after Halloween anyway.
SPEAKER_01Well, no no no judgment here. Yes. Next time you hear our voices uh in your ears, uh we will have a list of some some places that we have experienced here, and we'll talk about talk a little bit more about things that we've done uh that have gotten us to this point. Okay. Till next time. Till next time.