كيف تقود في ظل الأزمات والتغيير | ألان بجاني

في هذه الحلقة من شو تعلمنا، تستضيف كريستين أسود, ألان بجاني، الرئيس التنفيذي السابق لماجد الفطيم، المحامي، الكاتب والـ Shark في Sharktank لبنان, في حوار صريح عن القيادة، الطموح، المخاطرة، والقرارات التي شكّلت مسيرته.

من بداياته في المحاماة في بيروت وباريس، إلى انتقاله إلى عالم الأعمال، ثم انضمامه إلى ماجد الفطيم ووصوله إلى منصب الرئيس التنفيذي، يشارك ألان الدروس التي حملها معه من كل مرحلة، وما تعلّمه من شخصيتين كان لهما تأثير كبير في مسيرته: رفيق الحريري وماجد الفطيم.

يتحدث ألان عن أهمية تقبّل عدم اليقين، والطاقة التي يحتاجها القائد للتأثير في الآخرين، والقدرة على الاستمرار في مواجهة الصعوبات. 
كما يشرح لماذا يؤمن بأن الأرقام تقول الحقيقة التي يحاول الناس أحيانًا تجنبها، ولماذا يفضّل الاستثمار في الأشخاص بدل الأفكار.

كما نناقش كيف تُبنى الرؤية والقيم داخل الشركات، ولماذا لا تكفي عبارة جميلة تُكتب على الحائط، وما الذي يجعل الرؤية جزءًا حقيقيًا من ثقافة المؤسسة.

ومن تجربته في الأزمات، إلى نظرته للذكاء الاصطناعي والاستدامة ومستقبل المواهب، يشارك ألان رؤيته للعالم الجديد الذي تحتاج فيه الشركات والقادة إلى إعادة التفكير في طريقة عملهم وقيادتهم.

وفي النهاية، نتحدث عن كتابه Next: Leading Through the New Realities، ولماذا شعر أن الوقت حان للكتابة عن القيادة في عالم مختلف، بالإضافة إلى تجربته كـ Shark في Sharktank  لبنان ودوره في دعم رواد الأعمال.
     
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ما سنتحدث عنه
• خمسة دروس تعلّمها ألان بجاني
• لبنان: نعمة أم نقمة؟
• من القانون إلى رحلة ماجد الفطيم
• كيف تأخذ الفرصة عندما لا تعرف إلى أين ستقودك؟
• الرؤية والقيم وإعادة بناء هوية الشركة
• القيادة، التأثير والإرشاد
• الحقيقة وطريقة تقديمها
• أعطِ الوقت للوقت
• القيادة في الأزمات والذكاء الاصطناعي
• لماذا كتب ألان كتاب Next؟
• أربع حقائق جديدة ستغيّر عالمنا
• دروس الـSharks والإرث

أفكار تستحق أن تأخذها معك
- القيادة ليست منصبًا أو لقبًا؛ القيادة هي التأثير والقدرة على أن تكون نموذجًا للآخرين.
- عدم اليقين ليس مرحلة مؤقتة، بل أصبح جزءًا من العالم الذي نعيش فيه.
- المرونة لا تعني فقط تحمّل الصعوبات، بل تقبّل المخاطر والاستمرار رغمها.
- الأرقام قد تخبرك بالحقيقة التي لا تريد سماعها.
- القائد يحتاج إلى رؤية، لكن الرؤية التي لا تتحول إلى أفعال لا قيمة لها.
- وأحيانًا، أفضل قرار يمكنك اتخاذه هو أن تمنح الأمور الوقت الذي تحتاجه.

ألان بجاني (ضيف الحلقة)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alainbejjani/ 
https://www.instagram.com/alain.bejjani/ 
https://www.youtube.com/@Alain.Bejjani
كتاب ألان بجاني:
📕 Next: Leading Through the New Realities
https://alainbejjani.com/

كريستين أسود (Host شو تعلمنا و Shark  في Sharktank لبنان و رائدة أعمال)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/christineassouad/
https://www.instagram.com/thecatalystofgrowth/
كتاب كريستين أسود:
📕 The Power to Say YES
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Say-Yes-Working-Creating/dp/196548039X

Amazon UAE: https://www.amazon.ae/Power-Say-Yes-Christine-Assouad/dp/995306704X

Antoine: https://www.antoineonline.com/intr/en/p/The%20Power%20to%20say%20yes-Christine%20Assouad/9789953067049

#شو_تعلمنا #Shut3alamna #ريادة_الأعمال #القيادة #الأعمال #الاستثمار #الوعي_المالي #FinancialWellbeing

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SPEAKER_01 0:18

Do you think it's a blessing or a curse to a hagian? Shoot alam na what did we learn? This is a shark series. So uh double the joy of uh of hosting you. So law al su alam, anabhabalishunal echir.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Um is any so alkietla no uh demon, mythilfi bhayati talamakribi isha makilfian sohtank uhilna talamna, yeah fi isha tfija na fiya, fi isha kenam na rafa, fi isha talamniha u uhi lhayatamat. Uh Izabedi khems isha uh Bira I would say I will she umat allamet in no uh do ybal and no nahishin be zaman, who is a man uncertainty. Ya ni mefishi sabit uh na she sabit. Stability stability, demabadna wuduha. Bas Bhaya Luduha Alil Hate Kumoshut will uh umur septi Kamena Sarat Alawa Ali and Echir Hamsisni Birai uh Sabit Luhid who will mut Anna personally, Tirt Alamu, so our intimate, and Ubina be al Harab, Ashna bi Nazgar, Bas Halawa At Fakir, Badesh Hal Umur Haidi Sa'aditni uh Baden, Bishil, Ubil Tari be Mu'aratil Umorfia, Uhika meina uh uh uh uh Al Mawadi Yelly Biktuphium Blik Tabai. Mabiqyedi Domin Sauwabit. Kill the Hadkondu uncertainty. Yani Talfi Bilhayat uh Bilhayat Lati Kamin Talam na B Bihalam, Ralam nah Shilum, Talam na Bihalam, when Bitro Madrasi, Bel Madrasi Titalam, you accumulate learning, you know, bitkati uhdihams Tasha Sini, Satashar Sini, Titalame Bitketsi, isha. Had Thlasi Bitvergiun, Adish Dusty, Yatuki Shadi. Mafi Mafia Muffi grades, meanikon, or shui kunish competition mean asan, mean and do a not to me and truthful madras, and I'm not sure. So hate tara to be to abirast. So energy is very important. Shah Telamta, uh, uh we experience actors. So here resilience will hai issues. Resilience in Nurwa had hammal, resilience, and whatever. This is what resilience is about. Why does she come in? Is there fitna bi Mawdu as a fakirfield shirl, and can a la mustawa shirkatesh almusta shirkate kwiri uhhatir moju. He's the endic resilience. Who her resilience will hai abil essays? He and Mahatir, Mishithanahuya Mahatir, it's Abbal Mahatir. Sonatleti. Sonatliti, atleti.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Uncertainty, energy, resilience. Hella, my bad for the hierarchy can ask that.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Shufne Haktier, L'Aram, L Aram, SCC, Hay and Nisbada Titvedeh, Lamanis Bijutu Pitch Bihabruka and Business Tabahon, U Shambhifakro, Utu Mohato, Nwahlemu, Ilamhunelik, Baden N Til Ilamar Halit Nakki L Aram, Famlish Dynamics Tabal business.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

Over idea, and I heard this on Bel Bel Krute, and I'm not late, the sets of cards, holy surprises, surprises lack. So we'll be root, mazbut. Do you think it's a blessing or a curse?

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Which in the It's a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Going back to resilience and this is how I feel.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

So I don't think too balladu. So Tabizakil Nesbit Hebuh oy kill him. So I did very personally, and it's a little bit. So Bilakhir say, Mal Mah will immediately develop exactly. So it's both a blessing and a curse.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Perfect. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

So Mohammed should alam to learn a returjabne.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

So berisrahad Kamatl Madrasi, Mohammed, and Mafi Madheris, our Madheris can't arrive and Nusslewaqta Nutwatem Sakara. So Rahna Beristabay Hunik, but Halasot la Ali Taman Libnin can sit out sayin, Selenium, Madrid, Oslo, etc.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

Has it an official Franza?

SPEAKER_02 16:31

Of course. I love it. So it's uh Mohammed it's a natural evolution. So Anna Demon Anna Kitambidrus Kithil Kameh. So Kindira Kit Kamena Dahlo Dira Shirki, Hasta Ichir sent in Laderaji and no uh Leman Bitena Telic in a jemagit of the commitbud. A business school. So anyway, uh I did it. I loved it. So anyway, natural evolution. Yeah, but then Anna I'm very independent. So basically, I think that's a good thing. But then Mohammed Mehnizurla and the Jazatman Hide Shui. So if you may be smaller than it's a good idea, I dale. Okay, yeah, an Alat anti sebi what uh uh canfield can feel conflict of interest.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Anything specific that's a karam.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Yanni m very formative, yeah. Yane antiom and thear yam tamalimazuruf Yama you shape reality. Rafia Hariri can shakhus and shaped reality. Kent Shini, Mahaletani Kinshahatil Asr Salman. Basiktalam no uh Kun hadan uh be esirala Mujre to Zuruf, Mishta Zuruf. Hadim can akbar shi talkalam to sabede one thing minal fatra hadi. So uh bad is hard femusity.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Ah, so man bad alharub are to no lali marat?

SPEAKER_02 23:25

No uh uh uh sorry, Eula uh can be idal uh tarif bad matrach idal home fit are sine akint Muhammad Bilipnin.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

So tarif ta'ala shirkim shall shakhoswata uh billipnane, Julande, Lama Kinbi Idal, and no can and sheriam, can be um be marina, he did. Fa eju la han dichinta say I don't an e dal. Basta businesses, commercial centres or residential, because I make dummen italida. So I couldn't do, but giving them advice. Oh, it was off. Uh uh, it's harb city Sart Harba FM City illikil narfa, Khalsit Harbat let out Letin Yom, Bel as ne al Harab can wadah in the ill haram killy, but she Isaac who came with Shamewater, or can be Faraia. Like Beirut or Bakrah, but we'll have Dubai. Bad Sini uh shift and mushlay. It's not good or bad, but it's a different type of a different way of counseling. And there's nothing wrong about it, it's not me. It's not for me. Alta mobile. Okay, is it Camille Hyda? I have a proposal. I want to set up a business development unit at the holding level, at the group level. Uh would you do that? Business development. Why not? So I move to business.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

So I like an alam, but Alam al-Hadith, and no uh you're taking opportunities. And you're willing to do that.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

The only way in ik tarfe uh shuma alulli can this proof is in the eating. So this is how I took it over, and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

And then uh Abel Manusalal al Fenuh stage, um majid alfutem as a person.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

That's they're very different. Oh, actually they shape me a lot. Umor, and the asir muzrat. Majid Futem, she tell it. Majid Futem, it alamed no discipline. Mabitzawa fee had an that embodied discipline and major foot. At least the on daily basis. So discipline, uh strategy, strategically disciplined, financially disciplined, uh best practice. Uh uh Helmik Deban Akbar Bannik, Siramujeet Lumur, Ahmed Khieedi uh, Majit Futem is everything.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

So I'm takki alal uh having a big vision. Uh what takenet CO, so Alfamino Khamstash Sarat C O Tabal Group Tabam, um Haydel part, but vision. Uh am vision uh for manuf great moments for everyone every day. And uh I'll be interested la numktiramil vision la sharke lachinabis mahunna, kick wa had be a rear shul vision, but do yamal kasatan big group, and do hale the different uh diversity of sectors, and we have to do that. Uh mafi meeting, my country had done great moments for everyone every day.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

So, uh, can't you have a rebranding project who for whatever reason by the uh and help so many rebranding strategy and rebranding feed no, it's a visual identity. So logo tabai is a bit the visual expression of who you are, uh but messal intimid. So who are we as a company? What moves us? Shuyali, what is the vision that we have? Haida Ma be anishi. Timely a kind of uh introspection, what do you stand for? What moves you? Say the hajimli hide, sa'atha nessil ishti kaza, topredta, la'ano, mish, am tita'allam jumli tafaza tahata, half is um shfehim. Belakiskum neba aminit dehilkami to reinforce message. So, Ya li amile shore, and we engage kill shirk, uh killishirki, be musawit muhtelifi to naam workshops, kazatan all okay. Shu yellow majid footem tumun majid footem. Wa Sulna Sawa Ella Hell Vision to create great moments for everyone away. Shu e li behal majit footem, shu e li bihali hana skilla, anawa, can fisabashi alf tariban, some seen alfeli behali kham sashi elf mozov, ishtuhulusawa and hidashi can uh creating great moments for everyone every day. La andukina taban bil moles, will grocery retail, will entertainment, we shateni, ukina bikil shakhaliha will namila, manhawel in na nichla, okay, ahal la hazad, uh'sad al-hazad la kill in nest kill you. Lish like illinais la anno uh zbunet nakhtar wimaken, uzbunet la anna killyum. Yeah ni roh, kilyom, bi rohal mole, birohal cinema, bisha kildawri. Fa asab in nikinti tim hashi kilyom fi timely morro. Ya ni tikla asad la hazad lahadan, great moments lahadan once. But doing it every day is very difficult. So this was the vision, this is how we got to it. Uh, if you the anti hidden vision tabai, the anti shohan values yell you live up to, yell into deliver a la hell vision. Yelihin fala, uh what animated our people and the company at that point in time.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Which is great, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

So vision in Neshha, will values boot, hence values mobi tabbaiki. Yeah, and true values to integrity. You know, these are not values. You know, if you had a beautiful halo, you know, I'm unprofessional. I can't have all professionalism, integrity, honesty, with the race. But these are not values, these are behaviors. So this is the I would say the main difference.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Thank you. Um, one of the things you built one of the most successful loyalty programs. So Lal Ashley, but don't you know loyalty program, shoe?

SPEAKER_02 38:41

So I launched that. Very independent. Silos. But points been and be carfur, mole, anamalus. So we brought back the group together. Uh it started to make sense. So Taban, you have to make executive decisions for things to work. But loyalty program, loyalty program, uh loyalty. Uh leish ma elamana, and no shiny loyalty. I'm not actually an engagement platform. Uh a loyalty program inja, who minasa tehabra, and business, ka brand, okay, to connect my husband, acknowledgement, reward, to nudge and shape the behavior. Bishekel in Nuzboon to be delighted, Bilia's. So, we have to say, I'm tithmule alone. So, the loyalty is loyalty, who actually uh more of a belonging than loyalty. So, an abray, a program that nudges and shapes the behavior of the customer in that way, and Carrefour, uh Emirates, and I'm not sure if you have an emotional bond.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

So Alfeno Khamstash, CEO of MAF, Alfeno City, uh legal team, head of the group.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

I never had, I never had, and I'm being honest. So it was a very intense, it was a very intense period, and uh I enjoyed it too. This is how I am. I'm not in Ashkhaz that look back, and you should celebrate more, you should al ishana fi.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Trybean. So you enjoyed it. A few people, but a few of them. But uh, these are uh colleagues, and I'm not gonna be able to do that. Um you had to describe Alambujmani. How would you describe him? Very interesting, Sarah Hatam. Look if Mishakik kun Anawaat and Shufon Killon, but let's discuss them.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Okay. So he's been one of the most impactful mentors for many, even if he'd never accept that label.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Actually, no, mentorship is not a business, it's not a job.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

I know that mentorship and coaching and la sar a job. But who is not? You help people, you can't say that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

You know, the fact that you driving impact can influence others.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

Your impact influence others. Kilwa had Bishufa Min Manzaru Nandu, but that's the same. Come on, come on. You don't want to role model. Is something that is who will do it, but occupation, I would say. Alain Bejani is a true leader, always challenging, always pushing for better, never settling for less. His drive to seek more and go further sets a standard that stays with you long after working together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:57

Hey, they come in Charlie, uh Smartam and Kazashakhus, and no, you keep on pushing. Oh, well Charlie, no, and Tabarat and no you were pushing, you will be pushing more.

SPEAKER_02 47:16

Shufe, this is life. Yeah, one of my biggest Zabadic principles is continuous improvement. It's a never ending, it's a never-ending race to improve. Exactly. So m shi, it's a very simple seat judgment.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

Perfect. Pick another one.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

Okay. Alain Bijani is an exceptional person by all standards. A true visionary, he will bring a unique dimension to a conversation, a dimension that other people don't see or never saw before. In three years working closely with him, I watched him back bets on food, fintech, and AI long before any of those were obvious moves. He never needed consensus to act on conviction. This is leadership, yeah. Leadership without vision is management. So having a vision is is is ABC or 101, leadership 101. You have to have the courage damn the hell between the to bet on people, to bet on Haida. When you are driven, okay, I'm not sure what you're doing. So is the anti Kroya and Kroya Mazbutta, Roya listen to Tabba Tabba Bad Dick Tamely uh bets, finished more shit, but it's not a better amalit uh short butti, our tihdi, yeah, I'm alive, execution time, a behalti, rationally, rationally, I and bit there facilitat be shaky rational, leish ana bira e headatari sahi. And a dayman can too bad near uh open in ish almodua. He's a sincere person. Watch out though, do not irritate him because he can be sarcastic and eat you alive. He will not manage you with with kid clubs. Diplomacy is a word not in his dictionary. Very true.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Very true.

SPEAKER_02 51:04

Tell us more about I consider the role of any person is to be truthful, not nice. Uh so truthfulness is the most important value that we have to live up to. And to be nice, I can be nice. I'm Kazibale. I don't have to say it in a nice way.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

So it's uh it was very interesting. Like uh uh Shtagalit Bemaf uh can uh in common, kill no kill on the book, but mafi had bill a little madam and maktabaka.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Anna mahadebake had the turn of the channel it's about how you take it. It's about how you take it.

SPEAKER_01 53:26

It's it's once you understand that it's uh and Sarah Anna to swir what very harsh, leak very harsh. But then with time, no, enter you're telling the truth positive or negative. So it's not mahat shifta as harshness, shifta as truthfully.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

No, everything in life is about framing. It's how you frame something. You frame it.

SPEAKER_01 54:17

You want to address debate with many or something.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

For someone who seems perpetually impatient, his favorite quote is give time to time. He comes across as fierce and uncompromising. Pick one of these two. And when he loses, he's winning. Shumanita. Definitely, an uh okay, this is the the framing is important. Uh I always demon anakintu and nobil achirkil shim naam jafi. Okay, fi mahalit mahatusbot Ahamashi, Ahammashi, and kun amilnehme be asantari amum kitfi and amila, okay, is uh manjahna, who mishla ennu ma'amilna kfei uhamil al maximum, best mazabati. Anal mab belu in ni qsar la animal tikfei. In ni ksar la innu hadan uhira'iu innu halla mishwata wata tahai illi mota mishwata, hadna a rarban tabu. Uhnu la bala man hat al ad, ye measimin na milna mashru, amin hatalit and u mite malion, bas echirham stasha maleum si even waff your fiun. Okay, yell nibiasrul nis, yell nis bitshufa, etc.

SPEAKER_01 56:00

So you go fak tierble matan, actually.

SPEAKER_02 56:02

Of course, yeah, umbiji wahat be hot masaric tier, but then a she lisbon would interact mob siri waffer fee, I wafferable ingredients, I wafferable service, this is important. It's uh I you either win or learn. This is how I would have put it. Maf me ala, but this is how for someone who seems perpetually impatient, his favourite quote is surprisingly patient, give time to time. He's a big philosopher, but I think interview my Jean-Pierre El Kabash, and May 1995, I think. But interview, I think. Who at time is Martin, La France Arbatas, and Otwa Rais, Terek Franza, etc. Actually, Francois Mitterrand. Uh Allu donne du ton auton, give time to time. It it uh hit uh home my uh no fee isha a shuma milti. Okay, but you cannot go faster than the music. Fe isha bad the waat, bakatiya what dakia. Fi ishabilhayat, sine tletmi hum sostin yom, mafikitamria miten sino, fi ishabilhay, bed diktatia wata, ulezi mu hajare fi ferry mabein lwa eturi u lesi minata, u lwaat ylehuwe to diawat.

SPEAKER_01 58:23

So hello badana kitasaswana na ki fehle. Fian na some defining uhents baden uhjan na the third deck of cards wa kidrah nakke bash tang uh so best ka defining moments um fi akid covered by feel and fijarbeirut kame ba elfenu mashrin um tabra yakel moments twaq takint bemaf abelma nusal no tarakat mafum nahke nohalla hadar umstab srahtamin, trub tatibir no keno asabma rahel behalfatra uh and you had to do something about them asab marahil hey yanema san covid elfeno ahtin, sakkaro killil mulet, uhidachi complete impatient.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Covid na killin is kin'maqal sabi, mahada fi likla. Basle kib di direk shahli honestly, mover zakiti ma some of my ex-colleagues. COVID makin't sabi alane. Yani. Okay, mazbut l business, mazbut kaza, bash ma ul a dish kinna jezinha fakarbi COVID. Uh uhit. Yanifata ba mej badikil wa aten resilience. Yani kinna ktier, iktier ktier, kill our policies, tari chagl na, etc. He tahil daiman in kun je zin la a black swan. The black swan is a COVID and we ride the way very well. We rode away very well. Fi ala mustawa fi almustawa al mele, with tijari, business checker, etcetera, uh almosta atene, al musta. Makinna didna hadne habu attene. Wa mil na isha bi Covid, bi asher tm, machin canamil. Yeah ni masalan digitization. And okay, and no anables digitization be maf wa atusalot be February twenty fifteen. Okay, still masare, shoe, and te hida, but at the end of the day, I la Mahmel nahaida killu, kin na on the curb side. Ma kina dynamichi. Kana business taba shagal, adma fina, can a business essentially grocery retail by dikil wa, shakhal, adma bear, and the business. Ken ala data, kin ala integration, systems, kin ala training and nest, and can ala infrastructure and typeha, man hammel hikes, adoption, in the span of weeks. Uh Hamel Aratneha, uh we're gonna live up to our values, and one of our values is togetherness. Because what does it mean? It means that's a good thing. So, okay. Whatever it takes, ma feel Nesnahna Falan Sheriki We create great moments for everyone every day that includes our employees. And we are our one of our values is to be together. This is the time to be together. For cov during COVID, okay, and kill we'll modua, we'll board almodua, and no shadow. Taban, for performance, but not because of COVID. We converted them into something else.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:58

And uh to show this human and this community and this together.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:09

Uh to survive as a business. Uh how well she is the time is to preserve cash.

unknown 1:03:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

So the ajatic the only way to bridge that is a win-win situation. Mafia chart are nice, mafi kids, you cannot twist their arms. So is a bit business is about people.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

Last set of cards. So uh different uh interviews or podcasts uh that you said.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

Build an organization that can lead itself, then and only then are you truly leading. So major. Shirke libihajil founder, hajil, shakhsimayan, I demand shirk, Idi Mara Hali, Marhat Mani, Mafia sustainability, it cannot lead itself. Fabinho Hide quote in no Dayman Lazy Mil insane many shiriki o hida, you couldn't end the shirk idra and dear nafsa. Well, Mahi Marbuta, Aduyan, be Shakhsima Ayan, and can the founder of C O Ayyahadan, but couldn't head the Shirki Feshila and no sooner or later, has she hide. Uh if you are overprotective, okay, you want to be all over them, but you want them to be as autonomous as possible. But the economist lean at Hammer. He is Shirki, but that can be sooner or later. Stay visible, but don't be needed. Hey, Haidi Kbizakar and Tina Elta can interview ma canfik about CO excellence. Mackenzie Amlu, outlet partners McKinsey Amlu. They interviewed about Alpha Miten CEO Blah. I was the only CEO listed in it that was the CEO of a non-listed company. And they only wanted to have listed companies. They interviewed me, one of it, how I see leadership. So I told them, no, you have as a leader. If people need you, you're not a leader. You're a bottleneck. A leader. If people need you, you're not a leader, you're a bottleneck. Okay. So but the kit kun is visible, and it's bad in the judi, but the test feaky basis. Every crisis is an invitation. The question is whether you show up for it or not. So uh crisis is a very important thing. Exactly. So uh this is not show up. The crisis maptaklass but then we don't show up. Hidehayar. Okay, we like you went sir now. Al Imarat, Balat Kamen, Marat Bimahan. But they show up. Nefeshiya Almuso Shahsi Almuso Sherikate. You intica Shakus, but arrari, keep the Hamali, Ma Mahat, Kenny crisis. You know, about the crisis. Okay. You decide how to handle it. So this is what it is. The first casualty of weak leadership is always the truth. AI is no longer a trend, it's the new foundation of growth. Exactly. It is the foundation of growth, I agree. You agree with yourself. I agree with myself. Drive growth, but also replace us. I think Haida Sual um kibit elik. Umana Amin wa if Manna Amin wa if uh if lay, umana amin wa if the hatan fakir kiben and tam al mahadal wada yelihura hai bayin bikliktirikbir Bira Anablayti Lakham Sisni Mishbahatin Sidney.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

Fishi, Ashra Slam is Mauna, Lazem Yamlu, when it comes to AI?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:08

Uh Ktier issue. Ktir isha Kilil Hayatilam nahfaht haiya. Uh min kilshi mafishi shifne lahalla, uh, bil mistabbal kilshi hai daiya. Uh Taba already Amin shoof and no AI is min min mahalik uh a factor of growth. Okay, Nesia Lilomharfe Am Titan, outstamil ai, aktar, hatkun oftal mun ghaira, the najahata. But AI is outcrowding, outcrowding out people. Uh Bishirla, finished Rahir Belashir, Finis Rahl, Rahtir competing ma AI, Bishirla, Mah and the chance of Natinjah. Okay, Hella. The question Suali Nahana Who we Nahna kiben Tamal Ma Mustama Atna, Kibenas Tama Ma Shari Ketna, Kiben Tamal Mahayalna, Bihalmar Bil Bil Mahle Haleja, Yalinis Hatle Hala Belashr, Hatle Hala and Uskil Setaba Mabis Mahla in Nichol Shitani, Ufinis Hatley and Mobideh and Nathalam. Moba Fid Shekel Hal Sit Madrash Lil Kbiri Mahal Hadaris, Al Madir's bada Ambil Jemat Hallim and Nesbit Makana Hathal. Bas Al Hayed Batlit Hamstein May Abel Hyaken Hanafi, Ma Nahna Lomal Fi Generation Waktar, Manon Hadrin, Michel Mustaba Lalwe at Tabahlo. Faminhorn, Anabirai and no Ktier Muhamm, and no nasbellish fakir, keep rah de ham alma alwe attaba, lemana leombijini tiram and shirk, let's see how tamiled shall or balesh. So l values il heam tahim shirikat and young as an Ukra AI Tamil service in Belish in Chirk Sever. Okay. So L Sawebit illa shin feel lazy mines at Belish at Fakir, U Akar, Tahadi, Lakil and Sain Rahum Sabal, who keeps Ratnafsa, La Anulfera Hatazgar, Il and Lom Hansen Chakhas, Maya, you can be bothered. So Kilman Kyiedi Rahid Hayar, El Kyedi Lyom or Bukra, Ktier Machilfanchu can perceive it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:36

Kalina to go uh to your book, but smart feather and electabou shark tank. Uh in January 2023, enteract major temp, uh how do you deal with leaving a company that you built? And how do you kifter she did?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:06

Okay, so the Khabrik Shahali. I still remember January 14, 2023, Ken Harjima. Okay, I still see it like a day. The feeling was great. They're having nothing to do, I don't have a schedule. I don't have a schedule. What should define you is not who you are but what you are. Why not can be that? And no kill she kills uh uh uh who or what the anybody mana anti mean, I become mansab, cador, kills. Be months of external jesidic wafikricunita is an adema can be shaken, I will be less than title to mafia title. Okay, Haida and Senator. Okay, outro, okay, Malays Mikun Basalan Bihashi Haida. I embraced the fact in the story but zakarma badma tracked mafia, and I had the biggest ego boost ever, the messages I got, whatever. More intellectual uh different uh ktier etime, yellow can fey amilo what can be maf. Uh uh, March, Mr. Kharna Mmara. So kiktiri k tesitant in no kti ness alulkes, and I never felt in no book in me. But with time, uh I became more acquainted with the idea. Who is actually the ghostwriter he interviewed me? I really enjoyed the experience. Charlie Tene, I came to Boby, I know Mafia Khabar. Bascan Bedeektu lado al behind the whole leadership, and I tell uh leadership, this is the the the and heidi as a skill sheb about leadership, about leadership going forward. Okay, leadership. Okay, but we're not going to be able to very lucky in a shim, bealam, ktier, ktir interesting. This is why I wrote next. This is the new re the new stability. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, it is technological disruption, AI, technological disruption and AI kame had seen in stability going forward. So good news, ufi, taban challenges. It's a very interesting thing. But sustainability, because of volatility, sustainability anabal muntala al tasir al bi, kamena mmuntala, al istide metabal umori and shirkita baikal into deertia, behalam lijdid, l'imitab nafsa. Finis hat stafit, finisha kilchi. Fakibni, sharike, businesses, bishakil mustadem, il who istidemit al-cayan, wa istidem it, al-Khemil into Abtibni Hafiha wahat it will be devastating like this. Talent is going through a huge, huge disruption. Talent was the most important thing. Going forward, talent talent, David Kintul, and no uh the job will be done by the machines, software or machines or AI. Okay, the role will be played by humans. Which is better, but depending how you see it and you frame it. So Mafi Ked Bella Ness, Mafia leadership, bela talent. So Kyle did Ness Bel Mista by Tirmachtil Fanchu came to say. But these are the four realities that everyone will have to face. Well, it's not Anna Honey, but it's global and it's everywhere. This is what the book is about.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:40

Can't wait. Yeah, can't wait, and we'll share all the details. So uh best uh Abel Manakum, a kid mafia series with sharks, Bella manekke, ma and shark will experience the mak the shark tank.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:25

I think you you've added a huge uh impact, a la Shaq Tank.

unknown 1:24:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:42

Anna, I wouldn't agree with you on that, but no, it's fine. Uh, I'm looking a huge effort. That's for sure. Uh so Anna Bis very shaken, it was a great experience. Uh I think uh I maked Maroon and Maroon and Azas Hobby, uh, uh, Hassan Maken Barfu, George Maken Barfu. But the chemistry that we had was actually very nice. But then we kept a nice spirit uh afterwards. So that was season two coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:14

But we can't get a little bit of a short tank, demon fadan bis alne, and George Mabiti Obado.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:30

George is a veteran of Shak Tank and Canada. Okay, I think who we can but do. I I felt you know he was right. I think the other aspect uh uh uh tisrik or sweet heda, which I think we did well. Uh it worked well. And I like George. In a funny way, okay, Ut and Hidam ni Hassan Masalan, ktir iktier sale, the hack nakir sabo, etcetera, yalikin anneha major ta'a maroon shete major ha filha and we said, can can tenet na board members be done. This is how we met.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:59

I mean, it's um we we had that too, Mike.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:08

We had a great chemistry, so long uh yeah. So the season two, we're ready for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:18

Uh now is a good time to amel shim and know.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:22

So, yeah. Uh then okay, it's not a TV person, yeah.

unknown 1:28:19

If you have a lot of people who are not going to be able to do that, you can't get a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:10

So Anna Bihay Machat notes. Okay? Hella. Okay? Minal pitch attafi three, four information. Okay. So atlet arva information. So what matters to me anna is not the pitch. It's actually iljawe. A generic idea about it. Best ana illito actor she muhem, who we have to do, an akid has she hida. It's more about that. Ubadena, I think with time, I've seen so much, you've seen so much. Immediately I kid and I'm shocked. It's an acquired skill.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:53

So I'm busy, and I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:22

So you have to bed dakitkun, be after mumki, after hell.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:56

Haide.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:57

Ahamashi, araf or amak. I cannot say it, I cannot stress it enough. You have to know your numbers. Okay? Telitan, fish, matan hurim, behalak. I think these are the three things. You have to show up, but execute operation, flexibility. So Anna Kifad is a big chufu and who ahlawa had a hake ma'amana. This is what leadership is about. And then should legacy tabak.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:03

Any closing third. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:06

And it's been uh a pleasure. Uh but Anjad, I'm very impressed by this madra. I would have never thought, I would have never thought we'll be prepared.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:26

So thank you. It's uh it's a real privilege in Nulwahadalam. Uh podcast is most then kun not allam mazwut, nullachoken andi asili badmasal ton yamande battu basalas alma i phone nrjam namila, n'am cafe madratene. So thank you so much. Thank you, Christine.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:45

It was impressive additional.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:47

Thank you, thank you. So Alam Bajanani,