WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.280 Thank you for submitting questions. 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:04.639 We were nervous that we weren't gonna get any questions, and then we had more than enough. 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:09.439 There's no way we're gonna get to all of them because it still has to stay around a 40-minute segment of time. 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:10.880 So thank you for doing that. 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:14.080 Uh and then to reiterate, we're gonna offer a response. 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:18.160 Um we might not answer your question to the full. 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:24.399 If we don't do that, and you're like, I need more, I love to go out to eat and talk Bible and theology. 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:25.760 And so please reach out. 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:29.600 We'd love to take you out to lunch to answer more, go in more depth. 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:36.240 If we say something that you're just like, I just deeply disagree with all of that, man, that'll make for a better discussion at lunch. 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:39.439 And we'll just get better food because the conversation might be harder. 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:41.840 And so we'll just get more, more, better food. 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.719 Um, more better food is not a right way of saying that. 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:46.000 Thank you. 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:46.719 You're right. 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:50.000 Um let me pray for us, and then uh we'll get started on the questions. 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:56.159 If you have another question you'd like to submit it, slido.com, type in the code at the top, C3M, and then you can submit your question. 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:57.439 But let me pray. 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:05.599 Father, um, in the Psalms at least, you see this a lot where people are asking you questions like, Where are you? 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:07.439 Why is this happening? 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.400 Um Do you even hear me? 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:11.680 Do you see me? 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:13.439 Why have you turned your face away from me? 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.760 Just so many questions that you receive. 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:31.599 And then in James it says that we can ask for wisdom without ever feeling ashamed, and you always offer it to us and give us wisdom in our hearts and minds in a way that you don't shame us for it. 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:33.599 You don't, you're not angry with us for needing wisdom. 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:35.599 You're actually delighted to give us wisdom. 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:43.519 And so today I just pray that you would give us wisdom as we respond to these things, as our people uh receive these responses, God. 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:54.480 I pray that you would um that you would speak to us, that you would uh answer questions that we have uh in our hearts and our souls, things that we didn't even know that we're really asking and wrestling with. 00:01:54.640 --> 00:02:00.560 Would you give us uh just the wisdom of heaven that you would speak to us, that we would know that you have been here among us today? 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:02.640 Um so, Lord, would you do that? 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:08.719 Would you grace us with your presence and be kind to us and merciful to us in those ways so that we hear from you in Jesus' name? 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:09.360 Amen. 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:10.639 All right. 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.000 Uh one of the questions that we have uh was from Matt Lawrence. 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:25.360 Uh he said, How can we reconcile the contrast between a jealous and vengeful God of the Old Testament and then the gracious and loving Father of the New Testament? 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:30.000 How do you reconcile the contrast between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament? 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:31.280 What would you say to that? 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.680 Um great question, Matt Lawrence. 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:35.439 Um got me some notes. 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.520 Took me a little note. 00:02:38.000 --> 00:03:07.520 Um I think that seeing a mean Old Testament God and a nice New Testament God is um a side effect of a larger problem, which is we need to see, and we we often don't see, but we need to see the Bible as one singular story of a king building himself a temple filled with his children, delighting in each other. 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.039 That thing gets broken. 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:11.199 The rest of the story is about repair. 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.919 Like the Bible could rightly be called the return of the king. 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:20.080 Like it the rest of the story is repairing that damage, this poison that we've invited. 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:33.199 Um, and so we we need to recognize that singular narrative, which would, I think, then allow us to recognize God's behavior has to be different in different parts of the narrative. 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.000 He's got to establish, he is establishing things. 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.439 Well, no, I want to say three things. 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:48.960 Number one, he's establishing things in the old testament that are needed, not because he's changing, but these things are needed for us to draw on in the New Testament. 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:56.800 For example, um, when they're bringing the ark back into Jerusalem, they're carrying it up the road, and it it falls, it tips off. 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:00.240 Um, and this dude, Uzzah, doesn't want it to hit the dirt. 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:05.199 And so he reaches and grabs it, but he's not one of the people allowed to touch it, drops stone dead, kills him on the spot. 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.680 Well, that seem seems unreasonable. 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:09.199 You know, that seems mean. 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:15.360 Um but this is in front, they've already been shady with the ark. 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.800 This is now in front of the entire community of Israel. 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:28.959 He needs to be clear and strict about no really like my presence is lethal to you now. 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:30.240 My presence will kill you. 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.319 You can't barge into the Holy of Holies. 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.279 He's going to have to draw on that reality. 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:37.519 We need to understand that reality. 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:48.000 If we are later going to recognize, oh dang, if I'm gonna be welcome in God's presence, I have to have the cleaning, cleansing blood of Christ on me. 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:49.519 Or I will die. 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.240 I am not welcome in God's presence. 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:58.560 God's presence is lethal to me unless I have been clean and clean cleaned and cleansed and covered by Christ's blood. 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:04.639 If he were to look at us a touching the ark which has his presence on it and be like, it's mine. 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:06.000 Not a big deal. 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:15.600 That could leak out into the people of Israel an important misunderstanding, so that one day when someone's like, Can we really not go into God's presence? 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.600 Can we really not go to the Holy of Holies? 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:25.360 There could be this group negative group think that, like, he says it's a big deal. 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.879 But at the end of the like, when pushed, it's really not, it's really not a big deal. 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:30.639 So there are things he's got to. 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.279 That's just one example of many, many, many. 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:44.639 But there are things he is going to, his plan, it's this he knew it before he even made us, that his plan was always to welcome us and display his mercy to us in Christ. 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:53.040 But if we are going to receive that sacrifice and recognize the need for it, he's gotta establish the need. 00:05:53.199 --> 00:06:00.240 He's gotta establish that like being Israel or being Canaanites is not the same. 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:04.000 Not everybody in the world correct I I think this is true. 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:05.279 Please correct me if you don't agree. 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:13.279 Um we I think an error we often um we we've got in our group language is that all people are God's children. 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.759 That's actually not true. 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:22.959 All people are image bearers, God loves all people, Jesus died for all people, but like everybody, we're all children of God. 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:24.319 That's actually not correct. 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:33.680 You've got to be in Israel, and you've got to be adopted into Israel through faith in Christ if you're gonna be God's son or daughter. 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:39.279 All human beings are dignified, loved, cherished, wanted image bearers. 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:41.519 But not all people are God's children. 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:47.680 Well, we're not supposed to look at Israel going into Canaan and go, like, oh, they're violent, we should be violent too. 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:56.480 We're not supposed to take that as instruction, but he does need to establish being Israelites and being Canaanites is not the same. 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.399 You need to be part of Israel. 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.079 You need to be living in the land. 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.360 Not everybody has God's favor the same way. 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:28.319 And so I think some of what we recognize as mean in the Old Testament is actually part one of a grand story, and he's gotta establish important truths, difficult important truths, so that the message and image of Jesus and what he's done for us will be we will be able to recognize and receive it and value it so the story makes sense. 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:29.600 So I think that's part of it. 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:38.240 Um, I think that all parents do this if you're a good par you are an excellent 10 out of 10 father to Teddy. 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:40.959 Something to think about. 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:51.600 Sometimes being an excellent father to Teddy means being really snugly, so affectionate, so tender, hugging him, tickling him, laughing together. 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:53.680 Sometimes that's what being a good father means. 00:07:53.920 --> 00:08:04.000 There are other times, based on the situation, based on Teddy's behavior, that being a good father to him means being incredibly strict, incredibly firm, incredibly punitive. 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:10.079 You n like what he needs for thriving is for his father to rain down on him the swift hammer of justice. 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.199 He could then look at you and be like, Who are you? 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:15.199 Sometimes you're nice, sometimes you're strict. 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:16.399 Who are you? 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:32.320 Based on the situation, you haven't changed, your character hasn't changed, your posture towards his flourishing hasn't changed, but different situations and different behavior on Teddy's part require his good father to act in different ways. 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:34.240 Thank you, Boyd. 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:36.799 Um I think that's I think that's part of it. 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:42.960 Um I also think that we shouldn't ignore Jesus speaks about hell and judgment more than most prophets. 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:45.600 It's actually not good reading. 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.679 It's it's incomplete reading. 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:56.480 That the god in the old testament is mean and God and Jesus is gentle, Jesus, meek and wild, never mad. 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.559 No, he he was firm. 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:06.080 Um okay, plenty from me. 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:07.679 You uh that that's what I think. 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:08.720 That's good. 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:16.399 Um just in order to not make every question or response 10 minutes, I'll just say no, no, it's okay. 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:16.879 It's okay. 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:18.240 Uh I I it's part of it. 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.279 Uh we're doing this in real time, it's not a recording that we can edit. 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:28.799 Um God of the Old Testament, God of the New Testament, Jesus says, if you have seen me, you've seen the Father. 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:34.720 And so I would suggest if you think that the God of the Old Testament is different than the God of the New Testament, it's our error, not his. 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.919 Jesus says, if you have seen me, you've seen the Father. 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:57.519 Also, if you read the Old Testament through, he says, when he displays his glory to Moses, he's like the Lord, the Lord, compassionate and gracious, merciful to a thousand generations, you know, punishing to a handful, but like, uh, or holding people to a handful of their sins for a couple of generations, but merciful to a thousand generations, forgiving for thousands of generations. 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.080 Um, he is kind, gracious. 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:08.960 The people in Canaan, the people in the land, the genocides, I recognize are the genocides, the those those spaces where they go in and they drive out the people and they crush the people. 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:10.320 That is a challenging conversation. 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.519 That that's it's for another time, and we could actually have that conversation. 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:23.600 But I would also suggest that there is evidence in the scriptures to suggest that God had also given them time to repent, time to respond, time to do all those things, and they just continue to reject him. 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:31.279 And if you read Romans 1, when you reject the Lord, the the other side of reject if you reject life, death is all that you have. 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:32.639 I don't want life, I want death. 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.360 And it's like then death is is what you will experience. 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.799 Um, because if you reject the giver of life, you will then experience death. 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.399 And so I think the God of the Old Testament is actually very kind and gracious. 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:46.960 He created creation, he created people to thrive in a certain way. 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:51.679 We chose to rebel against that, and then we live with our own consequences. 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:55.120 We l we're living with our choices and then blaming him for making them hard. 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:56.559 It's like you chose this. 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.240 I didn't I didn't force this on you. 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.360 I created perfection for you, and you chose to reject it. 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.039 And so I do think that the God of the Old Testament is actually the same, and Jesus says that outright. 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.039 Like, if you if you have seen me, you've seen the Father. 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:16.240 And so um there are other uh small things to talk about in the Old Testament that are confusing and they do um need to be talked about and understood. 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:27.759 Um but I do think that the the father of the Old Testament is the father of the New Testament, the same father who called people to move in and crush, the same father that called his son to be crushed on our behalf. 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:29.679 He has not changed, he's the same. 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:31.279 Um that's what I think. 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:32.000 Amen. 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:32.960 Okay. 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.240 Um thanks, Matt. 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:37.039 All right. 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:44.159 Number two, why do we as believers lack the power spoken about in Mark 16? 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:46.799 Oh, let me read those verses real fast. 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.639 Uh Mark 16, what were the it's like 15 through 18? 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.559 Drink poison and not die, you heal sick people with your hands. 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:56.960 Yeah, whoever believes in is baptized. 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.000 Um, da da da These signs will accompany those who believe. 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:04.320 In my name, they will drive out demons, they will speak in new tongues, they will pick up snakes with their hands. 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:05.919 Uh we're doing that next week. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.480 Um currently being accepted. 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:13.039 When they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them. 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.679 Uh they will place their hands on sick people and they will get well. 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.120 Why don't we experience those things? 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.879 Uh short answer is I do think those things are actually still experienced. 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:22.559 I think people do experience those things. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:23.440 I speak in tongues. 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:26.720 I don't do it publicly because it'd be weird and it'd freak up a lot of people out. 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:33.360 Um but I do think that we have plenty of people uh even in our church that have prayed for people to be healed and watched that happen. 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.960 There's actually people sitting in our church who have been healed by those things. 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:45.120 I think the reason we don't experience it as much in the in the West is because so I think all that stuff is still real. 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:50.879 The reason we don't experience that stuff in the West uh is because we lack hunger and expectation. 00:12:51.039 --> 00:13:09.519 Uh there is a theology that that has been has been given to um especially the West, but really all churches, I think it like even in uh the German you know evangelical church when they started saying that the resurrection wasn't real, there's a theology that's been given to the church that um that stuff doesn't happen anymore, don't expect those things anymore. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:14.159 Um and the scriptures are very clear that God waits to be wanted, he responds to hunger. 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:23.440 Um the the eyes of the Lord search the earth to show himself strong on behalf of those whose hearts are fully devoted to his, who actually believe the stuff that he says that he's capable of doing. 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.759 And so I do think that those things are available to those who want them and seek them. 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.480 He rewards those who earnestly seek him, the scriptures say. 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.360 And so I think there's a hunger element that we lack. 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:44.879 And I think if you just go to somewhere overseas to the church in third world countries and other spaces, um you will see signs and wonders in ways that you've never seen it here. 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:53.679 But for some reason, it's like you, as you're flying back to the states, as you're checking all your stuff through customs, you also check your faith at the door, and it can't come into the United States or something like that. 00:13:53.759 --> 00:14:01.679 Um but I think I think we live among churches and uh that just and live among people who've been in church their entire life that go, like, I don't believe in any of that stuff. 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.039 I'm not expecting any of that stuff. 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.960 Prayer is a is something that's difficult to get church people to do. 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:07.679 Prayer. 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:17.919 And prayer is supposed to be this wonderful thing that Jesus has shed his blood to tear the curtain into so that we can enter boldly before the throne of grace and receive help in our time of need. 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.799 And it's hard to get people to pray because nobody even believes in prayer, much less that he can heal us. 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.759 And so there's a there's a faith element that exists there. 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:34.799 I believe the church in the United States is like Nazareth in the Gospels, um, where you go there and all of a sudden it's like, why Jesus couldn't perform many miracles there? 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:35.200 Why not? 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:36.480 Because they lacked faith. 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:41.679 The church in the US, especially, I think it's coming back with Gen Z and Gen Alpha. 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:44.240 I think they believe these things a lot more. 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.799 Um I know my son, my son does. 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:56.000 Um, but we're the people we're the people that have hindered what Jesus wants to do because we don't have the faith to believe it. 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.120 Or we think it's weird when somebody says that it happens, or we just don't believe it. 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:04.559 If I if if somebody walked up here and asked for healing, I prayed for them and all of a sudden they stood up and walked. 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:17.679 Uh some people would be amazed, but some people would be like, that that pastor planted that person in the room to do a thing, and actually that's happened a ton in churches, and so that's a shame because it actually diminishes and dilutes the thing that's actually real. 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:26.080 That stuff is possible and available, and when God does it, it is miraculous and it's beautiful, and what a gift to see his kingdom breaking out on the earth the way that he calls us to pray for it. 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.320 Um but I think we lack expectation. 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:30.960 So why don't why why don't we see those things? 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:32.879 Because we don't want them, honestly. 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:38.720 Um, and I think he responds to being wanted and he rewards those who earnestly seek him, and if you go to other spaces, you'll see it. 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:39.679 What do you think? 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.639 Um, I completely agree. 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:54.399 Um, I think that number one, spiritual gifts or the gifts, the gift of healing, the gift of miracles, um it's in the language, they're gifts. 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:59.600 And so for Christmas, Teddy wanted this absurdly gigantic Lego. 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:05.200 Well, he wouldn't have gotten it unless he had told his father, hey, what I want for Christmas is this absurdly gigantic Lego. 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:06.080 And then you know what? 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:09.039 He got it because he won, he asked his dad for it. 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:11.360 He knew it's Christmas. 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:13.200 My dad wants to give me gifts. 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.440 I that's the one I want. 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:17.039 They're gifts. 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:23.279 I think if you let your dad know which gift you want, you increase the chances he might give it to you. 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:30.879 And so if there's a gift to which you are attracted, if there's one that you're like, man, I'm I I can't I'm jealous of the healing one. 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:32.399 I really wish I had the gift of wisdom. 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:33.919 I really wish I had the gift of prophecy. 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:35.919 Like, that is very appealing to me. 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.559 I I feel a sadness that I don't have that. 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:50.879 I think if you ask your dad for his gifts, knowing going in, my dad wants to give me gifts and you let him know which one you want, you greatly increase your chances you will receive that. 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:56.080 And so if there's a gift you want, ask for it, and I think you might might get it. 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:02.799 Um number one, so I I think that we should be seeing miracles, I think we should be seeing the gifts, I think we do see the gifts. 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.279 Um if you want one, ask. 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:14.160 Um, but number two, um he's the this the question asker says, Why do we lack the power? 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.599 Why do believers lack the power spoken about in March 16? 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:22.319 Don't die when you drink poison, handle snakes and don't die, put hands on the sick people. 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.720 Um I would humbly suggest, are you sure we do lack the power? 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:40.400 Because I think in church history and in the church, the current church globally, and in this room right now, there are people who've experienced these things. 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.920 Um I think part of our struggle. 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:57.119 Um we read our scripture, we have to recognize we are reading the Bible as modern people, 21st century people, and globally Western people. 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:58.400 We're Americans. 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:01.279 Um that gives us a particular mindset. 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:05.839 It's not better or worse, but we've got a particular mindset in human history. 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:11.039 Our mindset as modern Western people is specific. 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.240 Just like there are mindsets in the global east that are specific. 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.279 There are mindsets from the 1500s that were specific. 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:21.039 Generational mindsets is a reality. 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:25.839 That's not good or bad, but we do need to recognize what ours are. 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:36.079 And when our group think, when our generational mindset norms disagree with the mindset of scripture, we need to recognize that and crucify it. 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:38.799 We are Christians first and Americans second. 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.559 We are Christians first and Seegers second. 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:53.599 When my family, when my personality, when my country, when my time in history gives me a mindset and scripture disagrees with it, this one needs to die so that this one can grow. 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:58.319 We need to crucify mindsets that scripture does not share. 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:06.240 One of the mindsets I think we bring to the table as Western readers is incredible individualism. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:17.920 We've got a sense that like every single thing I see in Scripture needs to happen to and apply to me personally, or it's not real, it didn't happen. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.960 Um, that is not a mindset that scripture shares. 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:26.000 God does adore and see and recognize and want you personally, absolutely. 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:31.920 Um but God speaks to his people corporately, he establishes his people, Israel. 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:44.880 The nations were supposed to look at Israel, and of course, individual Israelites were to be mattered and were to be part of that, but the nations were supposed to look at Israel and see the goodness and kingship of God. 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:47.200 Christ has built his bride. 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.400 We are, it's not just you personally and Jesus, we are part of the bride. 00:19:52.799 --> 00:20:00.880 And so Jesus says, My disciples, my bride, will heal sick people, handle snakes, drink poison and not die, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:03.359 Has that not been true? 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:10.400 Are you sure we lack you say the the question asker, and no criticism, but the question asker says, why do we lack the power? 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:12.799 Does the bride lack that power? 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:13.839 Does the global church? 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:15.920 Does the global church lack that power? 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:36.079 Because I think that if you go to the church in Africa, if you go to the church in Brazil, if you go to the church in China, um, we need to fall on our knees and beg for forgiveness for any part of our mind that would think that the the white church in America is the real church and any other church is sort of like the B-team church. 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:37.599 That is of the enemy. 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:39.039 That's not true. 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:54.799 And so if things are going on in the Chinese church, if things are going on in the in the church in South Africa, if the ch things are going on in the in the church in Iran, those are our equal brothers and sisters in Christ, and that is an equal reality for what's going on in the bride. 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.519 And so I think that we should we should celebrate. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:05.440 I do think that you you can want and long for these realities in your personal life. 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:07.759 Absolutely, and pray for them if you're not seeing them. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:09.440 Pray to be part of it. 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:15.359 Um, but we don't need to assume that because something has not happened to and through me. 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:18.720 It's Jesus is wrong. 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:19.599 It's it's fake. 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:20.799 The church doesn't do it. 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:33.359 We need to ask in church history and in the global church currently, and even in my church family, I won't say who, because it's not my story to share, but there are people in this room who've had a believer lay hands on them and been he promptly healed. 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:33.599 Right. 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:45.759 We we we don't need to we need to recog try to recognize, pray to recognize where our mindset disagrees with Scripture's mindset, and script scripture tends to see us as a group. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:46.319 Yeah. 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:53.119 Just I just want to close that question just by saying um uh we're not called to go handle snakes, okay? 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:55.200 Like it's not like all right, next week we're gonna do it. 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:56.160 Paul did do that. 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.279 But it they're writing based on something that like this this did happen. 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:05.759 So There is space where this isn't a command to go and do. 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.440 And so just to put that out there. 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:13.359 And then secondly, because you're not supposed to test the Lord in that way. 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:18.000 There's one way to test the Lord, and He says that, like, test me in this, and that's about giving. 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:29.359 And then secondly, I as much as I believe strongly that healing is available, and I will, I will pray hard in the paint for anybody to be healed about anything. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.839 I will pray for dead people to be raised. 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:36.480 I will pray for anything because I believe that he is capable and that good. 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.559 And why not ask? 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:39.599 Let's just ask. 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:50.720 I also have experienced incredible hardship and incredible suffering watching people who I have prayed for die or not get well and just have to battle that thing. 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:58.559 And so at the end of the day, prayer is request, and he has the option, and he is good even in the midst of the no's. 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:10.720 Um, in as much as he is when he says yes, um there is a kingdom that will be restored where those prayers that we've asked for and people to be healed will come, and there will be a healing that that we experience in a resurrected body. 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:11.839 That's that's coming. 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:15.519 Um and we need to live with both of those realities, not just one of them. 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:16.880 He's gonna heal everybody. 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:17.839 Like, I hope so. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:18.640 Let's do it. 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.720 But I also know that like Paul said, to die is gain. 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:30.160 Like, and so there's this space there, and there's there's plenty of Paul writes to Timothy and says, Hey, um, prayer for your stomach might not be working. 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:32.559 Drink a little wine that will help your stomach ache. 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:35.920 And so, like, why didn't he just say, pray for your stomachache to go away? 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.640 Actually, the answer was like, drink a little wine that'll help. 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.279 Now, Jane, don't do that for your stomachache. 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.599 Um because you're underage. 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:52.000 Um, but Paul does say that like there's medicinal things that that are that are true as well, and like Timothy's walking through something that God has not healed, and so he offers something else. 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.839 Well, if I may, that's the reality of the church in Acts as well. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.519 The book of Acts represents 32 years, a span of 32 years. 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.599 In the book of Acts, we see 16 big old honkiness. 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:05.359 Yeah, huge miracles miracles. 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:07.359 That's one every two years. 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:08.000 Yeah. 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.000 That matters, that's important. 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.880 But you know what they did when they stoned Stephen? 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:14.559 Grieved and buried him. 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:14.880 Right. 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:19.200 And when Herod killed the Apostle James, they buried him. 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.160 It wasn't that like, oh, these people had faith. 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.319 And so, like, there was like 80 years where absolutely nobody died and absolutely nobody was sick. 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:28.720 They didn't care if you killed them because they just resurrected everybody. 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:29.039 No. 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.000 They weren't resurrecting everybody, they weren't healing everybody. 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:38.319 And so we don't need to interpret like, oh, it used to be there was a miracle, boom, boom, boom, nobody was sick. 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:38.720 Yeah. 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:43.119 The saints have always had to live in the paradox promise. 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:45.920 You do have supernatural power. 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:52.799 And also, I've I'm I tend to call you to suffer faithfully and believe that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.799 That that tends to be the norm. 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:57.200 Um all right. 00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:58.720 We are 53. 00:24:58.799 --> 00:24:59.759 We're at 53. 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:01.039 Um, we need to, yeah. 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.119 So we're gonna go we're gonna go a little faster. 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:04.880 We're gonna go a little faster to some of these. 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.079 Um I say that, but you gotta actually do it. 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.519 Um but Jesus chose 12 male apostles. 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:17.920 This is a question that came through, 12 male apostles to be leaders of the church as it launched into uh the new covenant. 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.599 Do you think Jesus endorses female leadership, female pastors? 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:22.559 Yes. 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:23.680 Same. 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:24.160 Next. 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:30.480 Um, I think actually, it should be that simple and we should move on. 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.880 Jesus talks so much, Jesus has so many women in his ministry. 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.759 Um anyways, this is I ask this to you. 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:38.160 Hugo. 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:40.480 Um I'm gonna go so fast you don't even know. 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:48.480 Um Jesus chose 12 male apostles because he is declaring that the church is the new Israel. 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:48.720 Right. 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.559 There were 12 male sons of Jacob that established the tribes and the people of Israel. 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.319 There are now 12 male apostles that are re-establishing the true Israel. 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.960 To be a part of God's people, you have to come through the blood and salvation of Christ. 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:07.200 When he gives, when he feeds the 5,000 on that mountain, this is the new manna in the wilderness. 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:08.880 This is God now feeding you in the wilderness. 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:16.640 When he gives the Sermon on the Mount, this is Moses, this is the new and better Moses coming down on a mountain with a new and better rules, new and better law. 00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:27.200 Lots of what we see in the New Testament is him saying, symbolically, I am taking stuff you're familiar with from Israel and claiming it now for the new Israel. 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.519 That's what we're seeing with the 12 male apostles. 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:38.319 Scripture consistently, Old Testament and new, welcomes and includes and speaks positively of female leadership. 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:46.240 Deborah is a leader, Miriam's a leader, Esther's a leader Esther is a leader, Hulda's a leader, Phoebe's a deacon, Priscilla's a teacher, Junior's an apostle. 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.440 Mary Magdalene is the apostle to the apostles. 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:56.480 For a second, there was like 30 minutes on the earth where the entire presence of the resurrection-believing church on earth was female. 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.359 And she had to go to the apostles and be like, it's true. 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:15.119 They didn't believe her, but they didn't believe her, but and so I I don't blame anybody that reads there are verses in the New Testament about women speaking in church and women leading in church that are tricky. 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.079 I don't deny that. 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:25.759 And if you think there should not be female leadership because you are before the Lord trying to submit your life in obedience to scripture, may God bless you for your obedience. 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.599 I have full sympathy and compassion for that. 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:43.920 Um I do think any time, and this would be one of those times, Scripture seems or appears to contradict itself, that then demands deeper cultural digging. 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:58.559 If Paul says women need to just be quiet and don't need to teach, and then that not just other Christians, but also Paul says, tell Junior, keep going, Junior's great. 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.720 You know, Timothy, you were taught by your mother and your grandmother Lois. 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:10.559 Um, you know, Priscilla, this that same man in other spaces elevates women in leadership. 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:34.240 It is then very reasonable and I think right to say, hmm, it must be that these things Paul says about women in leadership that contradict his own behavior in other spaces, this must demand a deeper dig into what was going on into those communities locally, he seems to be responding to pastoral issues that community was facing. 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:35.519 What is he saying? 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:37.920 Yeah, I I completely agree. 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.200 Um Yeah, I won't I won't I won't add. 00:28:41.440 --> 00:29:03.519 Other than like he says that um obviously there's there's women prophets, he talks about that a lot, and he's like, when you prophesy, when they prophesy uh inside the church, just the only thing I would tell you to do if as you're prophesying inside the church and giving your like here's thus they at the Lord kind of thing as you're doing that to men and women, just make sure you do this in order so that people can actually understand what you're saying. 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.079 Um, and so there's a we there's a deeper dive. 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.799 I have three really great books if you are a reader. 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.720 If you're not, we can just have a conversation. 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.599 Um, but three really great books on women and leadership. 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:20.559 I'm reading one now that I think is very interesting from a guy named Preston Sprinkle, um, which is just the best name in the whole world. 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:21.359 Sprinkle. 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:22.079 What do you like that? 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.799 Colton Sprinkle would be uh better than Seeger's. 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:30.319 Um, anyways, um, yes, do I think uh Jesus endorses female leadership, pastors? 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.599 I do think he does. 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:39.039 Um clearly, look at his ministry, they they lead, support, help, uh, speak, um, testify. 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:50.160 Um the the apostle to um Samaria was the woman who was sleeping around with a bunch of guys, and he's like, I'm the Messiah. 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.519 The first person he ever actually said he's the Messiah. 00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:00.720 He said that to a woman, and then she goes into this this the city telling that, and then they come and all believe in Jesus because of her testimony, and then what they see. 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.200 And so, yes, I do think that Jesus endorses that. 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.480 All right, your question. 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:05.279 All right. 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:10.079 How do you explain the inconsistencies throughout the Bible? 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:11.519 Take the resurrection story. 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.559 How many women went to the tomb, how many angels were there? 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.960 Uh inconsistencies. 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:32.400 Um every gospel uh is using firsthand accounts and firsthand witnesses, um, they're they're writing their story based on their experience and what other people have uh remember experiencing, right? 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:42.400 And so the reason there's some differences is not because it's fake or because it's uh uh it's because they're they're talking to two different eyewitnesses about something. 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:52.000 Um and so, for instance, if you asked Rainey and me uh what did what did Teddy do yesterday, if you asked her by herself, she would tell you Teddy did this, this, and this. 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.640 If you asked me what did Teddy do yesterday separately, I would give you something that Teddy did. 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:05.279 There'd be some similarities in what we say, but there also be many differences because it's from two different firsthand accounts of what Teddy did yesterday. 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.160 And so they're writing those things down, checking those things. 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:13.440 And so just because our accounts are different doesn't mean that she's a liar and like, well, which one of you is telling the truth? 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:19.119 It's like actually both of us are telling the truth just from two very different perspectives and two different firsthand accounts. 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.279 We're not lying to you, both are true. 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.319 Um and so where you see some differences, um, I believe they're not no one's lying to you. 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:44.160 Actually, what's what's really true is, and they've said this about um historic writings, if the story of the resurrection or all these things had been like uniformly, you know, they're lined up exactly, this happened and this happened, and this happened, that would actually diminish a firsthand account of being like, How credible is this? 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:54.880 It looks like you guys just got your story together and made sure before you went in, before everybody, that you were like, all right, let's make sure we say the same thing, that would actually be something to discredit the the eyewitness account. 00:31:54.960 --> 00:32:01.599 The fact that there's there's minute little differences shows that like they weren't getting together and going, like, hey, let's make sure our stories line up. 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.079 They're literally testifying to what they saw and heard. 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:10.319