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No One Will Hear This
Hi! We’re Cathy Knowles and María Perdomo, and we’re interested in the choices people make when they question what they’ve been taught about work, relationships, identity, success, sex, family, culture, and what a life is supposed to look like.
No One Will Hear This is about challenging the status quo, listening to our inner voices, and making difficult choices that can lead to greater freedom, identity, and joy.
We’ll talk with people who have made choices against the grain and explore what they found on the other side. And we’ll share conversations about the questions and decisions that have shaped our own lives.
Join us as we ask what becomes possible when we stop living by the rules we’ve inherited and start listening to ourselves.
No One Will Hear This
EP 1 No One Will Hear This
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We’re kicking off season one of No One Will Hear This with a raw and fun conversation about curiosity and how our podcast came to be! Get to know us as hosts of the pod but also as friends who love talking to each other and question why we do things the way we do.
María shares her latest findings in the world of job searching and Cathy share her experience living outside the margins. Together they connect in the certainty that living and thinking outside the box can be a source of strength.
The Ocean Vuong quote featured in this episode is from his interview with Dua Lipa for her Service95 Book Club podcast. You can find the interview here.
Hosts: María Perdomo and Cathy Knowles
Original Music: Katie Blvd. (@katie.blvd)
Find us on Instagram: @noonewillhearthis
It can't all be fixed by me telling me I love myself in the morning.
SPEAKER_03You know what? Fuck that advice. Like I know that the post-end note is important. Okay, fine. Yeah. I have done mirror affirmations and they work, but if I can't I'm not into the self-class path. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's not gonna do it for me.
SPEAKER_03No, it's not gonna do it for me.
SPEAKER_00So I just wanted to clarify that this is not a self-love podcast.
SPEAKER_03This is not a lean in podcast. Lean away. Lean away. Say no. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'm Maria Perdomo. And I'm Kathy Knowles. And you're listening to No One Will Hear This.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so Maria and I wanted to do a podcast together.
SPEAKER_00Well, first off, we should say that we've been trying to plug our mics in for an hour.
SPEAKER_03We've been trying to plug our mics in for an hour and it's Mercury retrograde.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So we had tech issues.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. This is it's just a two-woman show, so for now. And uh there's a lot of things to think about when you have so much tech that you've never used before and sounds that you've never heard before. Yes. That you yourself make. Our brains are catching. We're fried. Yeah. But we're just also very excited. Um we are two very curious people, and I think that's been like one of the ways, one of the many ways that we've bonded since we met. Um, and then one time you texted me and said, Do you want to start a podcast together? Did I send them for text? You did. I did. Yeah, which it does sound like something you'd want to call someone about. Yeah. I thought I asked you on the walk after warming you up. No, no warm-up. Really? It was like a cold, it was like a just like a it was evening. Really? Do you want to start a podcast together? Text. Yeah. I didn't warm you up at all. No. And then you and then you said the thing that you probably should have said before, which was you were hanging out with your family.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah. I I went up to see my sister and her partner and my nephew. And her partner is this really charismatic, entertaining guy. And I was asking him a lot of questions about AI and the economy. He's one of these guys that knows a lot of information that ranges from Marvel history to current politics to pop culture. And he explains things in a really entertaining way. And I was very intently listening and asking a million questions, and he was answering them. And my sister looked up from drawing or something and said, You ask a lot of really good questions. And I said, Yes, but I don't remember the answers to anything. So anytime anyone explains something to me, it's like it's the first time I'm hearing it. And he said, You should start a podcast.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And now, like, maybe because I also have really bad memory. It's actually one of our bullets in our notes that we took for this first episode. Um, we have really bad memory. So maybe this will help with like being able to hear back or like, oh, I did ask that, and they did answer that. Yeah. But I won't remember any facts.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I remember weird things. I remember how many family members someone has, or uh their nervous ticks, or um what they love and what they care about, and whether or not I like them. Yeah. But I don't remember facts at all.
SPEAKER_00Do you remember numbers? I'm a big numbers person. I can remember. I know my grandmother's number from like her whole life.
SPEAKER_03Oh, phone numbers? Yeah. I'm currently trying to forget one phone number in particular, but you just can't.
SPEAKER_00Did you memorize his phone number?
SPEAKER_03No, not until I blocked him.
SPEAKER_00And all of a sudden it's numbers like you're a site at night.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I've also unblocked him um many times. So having looked at it so many times, I'm trying to be like la la la la la, I don't remember you. I don't remember you. Um, but I guess I texted Maria and then we went on a walk.
SPEAKER_00And I said yes. Did we went on a walk after that and then talked about it? Okay. Yeah. And our really our intention is to talk to people who have made some sort of decision in their lives that have led them to freedom.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. We're interested in talking to people who have made difficult decisions, gone against the grain, deconstructed patriarchy or white supremacy or any other kind of oppressive system. And it's been really hard. And but on the other side of that, they found freedom and identity and joy. So Maria and I on that walk where we went for an hour and a half.
SPEAKER_00Probably.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Just were talking so intently and intensely about a million different topics and decided that we would meet and talk about a podcast. And they started sharing ideas about our values and our interests and our expertise. And we had a lot of cross-alignment.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I think our identities well, yeah. Maybe we can talk about that, our backgrounds too, because I think that that really impacts um our intention with this project because of just how we see the world and how aligned we are in that. Um so yeah, maybe I can dig in deeper.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, where were you born, Maria?
SPEAKER_00I was born in um October 18th, 1992, for any of the astrology people.
SPEAKER_03And she's beautiful.
SPEAKER_00I'm a Libra. I'm a Libra. Um, I was born in Bogota, Colombia. And I came to the US when I was 12 with my parents and my brother. And um right seventh grade. So literally, I think one of the hardest ages for any kid, um, let alone an immigrant with an accent and unruly hair. Um, we came to Greensboro. We had spent an a year in Ohio um two years before that, which is where I learned English. Um, and I actually have been thinking about this a lot because we're recording this a couple days right before 4th of July. And that is always like a weird holiday for me because it doesn't feel like it's for me. Um but yeah, I came to the US, immediately connected with other immigrants in the area that made it easier for us. Um and have been in Greensboro for 20 years. The South. The South. Yeah. So um there's been different phases of my life here where I'm like, I hate this place. I gotta go. Um, and then there's other parts of it where I'm like, I really love this community and can see the potential and feel somewhat at home here. Um and so I've ebbed and flowed in that um as well. We have a dog in the room with us in case you hear any chewing or licking.
SPEAKER_03Little Lulu. Little Lulu. Yeah. Um you talking about where you were born and that you moved to North Carolina. I didn't realize that we had that in common as well, but I guess I did because we've had this conversation so many times. So proving my point that I don't remember anything.
SPEAKER_00Um, I feel the same way when you talk about where you're like your family background. I'm like, oh, that's right, isn't it?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03So I guess I don't remember very much about anything, but I was born in Kenya in 1975. So um 20 years before Maria, I think. Um, and my mom was Ethiopian and she was living in Kenya when I was born. Um, my dad was uh being my dad wherever he was. My mom was alone in Nairobi when I was born. We moved to North Carolina to Chapel Hill when I was five, and I hated it. It was awful. And I also have curly, unruly hair. And around that time, my um it was discovered that I needed vision correction, so I wore an eye patch to school and big thick glasses.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_03And I had a British accent from going to British overseas school, and I was picked on a lot. Oh, not the eye. Yeah, I hated the American South. Yeah. And never thought that I would come back here. Um, but I moved to Greensboro for college and moved away for 20 years and then came back here and connected with you.
SPEAKER_00I worked at a nonprofit full of incredible people. You reached out because you were about to start your master's program at UNCG and you're looking for people to talk to about it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the peace and conflict studies program at UNC Greensboro.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, which I think is still a thing. It still looks very different than it did when I did it. But um so we met up for coffee and I was like, who is this amazing person? And then but we didn't connect more than that.
SPEAKER_03I don't feel like you thought I was an amazing person when we met.
SPEAKER_00You really don't think so?
SPEAKER_03Uh-uh.
SPEAKER_00I don't I don't think I registered at all for you. Really? Yeah. I well, I did, but yeah, I thought you were so cool. And I thought you were so cool. Genuinely was like, I think I was uh what's the word? When you feel small next to someone. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'm not even gonna give you the word.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03Cause you're small next to you.
SPEAKER_00Okay. We're doing the the Spider-Man meme. Yeah. Um, I yeah, I thought you were so cool. And then I guess a year, was it a year later that we actually genuinely connected? No, it was two years later. Two years. Yeah. Um, you did an internship and at the nonprofit.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00I was no longer there. Um, but everyone kept talking about how amazing you are. Oh, really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I saw you at um one of the staff members' going away party. Yeah. And you said that you wanted to talk because you were looking for a job. Yeah. You had recently come back from Colombia and you were ready to work again. That's right. And I said we could meet for coffee.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And then and you said I was putting your number in my phone and you said, um, my last name is Noel's like Beyonce. And I was like, Great, got it. I love this person. Um relation. I was desperately looking for a job. Um, I had left my full-time job a few months before that, maybe even a year before that. And um, my plan was to move back home to Colombia for a few months. I had planned on two, ended up staying almost five. Um I really deeply needed to reconnect with my country and my family there. And and my plan was I'll just I'll head back to Greensboro and I'll, you know, I still have my savings, I'll look for a job for a couple months and I'll get one. Like I really thought it was just like gonna be this thing where I was gonna will it to happen. And then um, two years went by and I had applied to so many places, um, and I never got called for one single interview. I was really sad.
SPEAKER_03You were so sad, your spirit was yeah, crushed. You could feel it then. I could. I could see that you were so sad, you were mired and self-doubt, as everyone gets when they're unemployed and can't find a job because job searching is soul crushing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and it feels like you're the only person in the world who's ever experienced that because no one talks to you about it. I was like, what are people gonna think? Like, I haven't been employed for a year, I'm not worthy. And it was also like a mix of like um searching for both a job and also being single and dating is atrocious. And I recommend it to no one, yes. Yeah, um, so it just felt like rejection after rejection in different parts of my life, and that was horrible. And I just moved back in with my parents, and so I also felt like just all of these things in my life felt like weren't working, and meanwhile, everyone else's lives seemed, you know, you always think like, well, everyone is progressing, everyone's advancing, getting new jobs or getting promotions. Meanwhile, my savings were, you know, dwindling down. Um, and I think around the time that I you and I got coffee to talk about that specific thing, things started shifting a little bit because I kept meeting up with people who made me feel like you, who made me feel like you're girl, you're fine. This doesn't make you less worthy. Um, don't let the system break you down. Like you you know the things that are working out for you and are in your favor. Um, I just didn't really believe it at the time. Yeah. And the more I focused on out like trying to gain things outside of myself, the less, the more empty I felt.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. When I met you, you were feeling bad about yourself that you didn't fit into a LinkedIn stereotype. Oh yeah. You had a heated LinkedIn, you did not want to network. No. When I told you that you needed to start talking to people, and that's where your leads would come from, you were you worked so upset.
SPEAKER_00It's like, you mean I have to I have to email people and then like yeah, it just felt so stuffy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you thought I meant like you would have to put on like business casual and go to networking events, and I could tell that you were not feeling empowered by that process.
SPEAKER_00I really wasn't, and I remember even like my first the first person that I uh met up with, one of the first things they asked me was, What's your LinkedIn profile look like? And I was like, I can't fucking do this.
SPEAKER_03That's what everybody asks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and it's really painful. I I really think that it it it is the worst invention in the last, I don't know, one, ten years or whatever. And I fought it for so long. And then but because I was in that stage of like, I'm desperate and need a job, and everyone kept telling me you have to be have a present on LinkedIn, I was doing it and I was like posting little things, and I was just like, who the fuck is she?
SPEAKER_03I don't think I ever saw your LinkedIn profile.
SPEAKER_00Ew, I don't want I think I might delete it at this point, it's really bad.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it's probably fine, but I think It's not me though. No, it's not you, and I think I sent you a few jobs, and you just really didn't want to do any of them. And I knew that you were going to find your own way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I didn't. I really didn't, and I felt really bad about not wanting any of those jobs. I felt really guilty and like a loser. And like I would have moments where I was like, am I just lazy? Like maybe that's it.
SPEAKER_03And I know it's not. I think you were just listening to your inner guide.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I knew that none of those things would make me happy. Um even though I also desperately needed money and I continue to need that, but like I really I did not want to settle for for anything. I didn't want to. And so I think over time and through a lot of therapy, I was going to therapy every week, um there was a clear moment where I was like, I realized that I had been, I'd spent the last two years searching outwardly for something that the world was telling me I needed in a very specific way, uh, which is a nine to five. You need to, you know, be a part of an institution in some way to be able to make it in this world. Um and the moment I started actually thinking about what I do have already without all of that, yeah, that's when things started making sense. So um I really I don't know what it would have been my life during that time without my book club. Um, because that really without me v being conscious about it was what kept me afloat.
SPEAKER_03I remember that. You told me about where was Silent Book Club in the process?
SPEAKER_00Um we were still Silent Book Club, so we recently changed our name. Um we had just moved up probably to two meetings a month. So for context, I um I'm leaning into calling it a literary community now. Um yeah, and uh I've led that since 2019, started as a book club um called Silent Book Club, which is a part of a global network of book clubs, and I essentially was a volunteer for them. So I've been doing that um since 2024 in a more intense way. While I'm like desperately searching for a job, I'm also continuously and just like working really hard to grow this community and doing a lot of fun things and partnering and with people in town and meeting new people. Um and all of a sudden it blew up, like really, really blew up. And I realized I've had the thing right in front of me this whole time that I've been searching for. I was looking for positions that would allow me to grow my communications work, um, content creation, copywriting, just being creative in some sort of way, uh, video production, all of that. I was looking for ways to be in community and do community building and engaging and um and yeah, and other things that I was like, I've actually been doing all of the things that I've been searching for this whole time. It's just that it it pays me nothing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So you said it was Silent Book Club. What is it now?
SPEAKER_00It's called Reading Room, which is rebranded. Um and now it's like someone actually last night I was at a bar and I ran into someone that um has come before. Yeah, on a third on a Wednesday. Hmm.
SPEAKER_03What brought you to that bar?
SPEAKER_00My best friends, as of recent, as of a month ago. Um was just there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was. But I it was an accident. I did not know he was gonna be there. I promised. This this other person uh who has come to Book Club before said, Hey, is that your full-time job? And I laughed so hard. I was like, I'm really like, I'm so happy that you see it that way because it it will be. Like I am determined to make it so. This is like what I spent 80% of my time doing at this point. Um so anyway, all of that to say that I um I'm glad that I held on and that it didn't settle. There were like definitely a couple of times um where I was gonna like just be like, let me just take this job and just do the thing and just get some money back in my account until further notice. And I just knew that deep down I just needed to hold on a little longer. Um and that is the whole intention of this podcast is to really think about ways that we challenge the status quo, that we challenge the way that people tell us we need to live versus how we like feel deep within. Um and slowly things are started falling into place, and I've gotten some part-time and contract opportunities with people who are doing really amazing things in the community, I think that have branched out of my work with reading room um and people seeing what I do and connecting with me in a way that feels natural to me. Like at a bookstore and talking about something that we both love instead of sitting across from each other with a bad coffee and talking about LinkedIn.
SPEAKER_03Yes. And you and I had coffee a year ago, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I think it was September of last year that we reconnected for that coffee when you're Spirit was crushed by the idea of LinkedIn because you invited me to your birthday party in October. And it's been not even a year, and your spirit is no longer crushed. You don't have to play the LinkedIn game to find happiness and prosperity. I think you're trusting your intuition much more than you ever have. And you're standing tall and you're completely different. Shout out to Katie Boulevard for creating our theme music. We have music and it's we have a podcast and we have theme music. It's official. It's official. Katie Boulevard's an incredible local musician. Yeah. Visual artist. And we hired her to make our theme music. And um my inspiration was I want people to get up and dance when they hear it. Come on. Said I wanted a chill vibe. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then we told Katie Boulevard to do something with that. Yeah. She delivered. It's perfect. It's just what we wanted.
SPEAKER_03I think when when I think about this podcast and what gets me excited about it, I want to talk about uh the paths that people have taken, primarily women and people who identify as non-binary towards greater freedom. Because not uh traditionally, not many people have had the luxury or the ability to take make the difficult decisions that have led to greater freedom and a truer identity. Those are the kinds of people that I'm drawn to, and I think the kind that you're drawn to as well. I like the people who are themselves and who have lived on the margins, according to um, I guess what people in the mainstream would say, and who therefore have developed resilience and courage and strength and live much more interesting lives um than others. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, so I um can I say something before you go into that? Yeah. I just I keep thinking too that sometimes, like obviously we understand that there are like this isn't just like anyone being able to be like, I'm gonna live differently, and then doing it. You know, like we we totally understand that there are systems in place that do not allow for that freedom and that their purpose is to not allow for that freedom. Um, and I just want to recognize too, like the privilege that I have had of like, you know, I've moved back in with my parents. Like I'm able to be sustained in other ways that we're in in ways that there are, you know, hundreds and thousands of people that like don't have that luxury. Um and and I think we're interested in also talking about that and and the systems in particular that keep us unable to make these decisions because it isn't like you know, like the self-love movement, which I appreciate, but it's like, well, I all I mean, it can't all be fixed by me telling me I love myself in the morning. You know what? Fuck that advice. Like I know that the post-it note is important.
SPEAKER_03Okay, fine. Yeah, I have linear affirmations and they work, but if I'm not into the self-love path, yeah, I think it's not gonna do it for me. No, it's not gonna do it for me.
SPEAKER_00I just wanted to clarify that this is not a self-love podcast.
SPEAKER_03This is not a lean-in podcast. Lean away, lean away, say no, yeah, yeah. Um, forget about FOMO or um what is it? Living your best life. Yeah, yeah. That's not what this podcast is about. Right. And we're both women of color. Um, I came from um an Ethiopian mom who didn't finish high school and had a lot of health problems and mental health problems and didn't get to live the life that she dreamed of, but poured a lot of love into a lot of love and a lot of flawed love into her two daughters, my sister and I. But I grew up with a dad who was white and came from privilege, and I um had a very comfortable upbringing financially, yet I started working when I was 15 um in a, you know, for a company. I started babysitting earlier than that, but I've I've always made the decision to do things my way, and I've always been willing to work really hard to get to do it my way, even if that means multiple jobs. And I was able to do that, I think in part because I came from um a white father, so I I came into my interactions with other people from a sense of privilege, even if I am a woman of color and moved here from East Africa. I think that coming from living in a household where my dad had a PhD and is overeducated and is an economist and played classical music, I was able to move through different spaces with a lot of confidence. No one will hear this. That's the name of our podcast, and it's one of my favorite things, I think, about our podcast. Yeah, I still get chills whenever I hear the name, and I like that no one understands the name when I say it. Yeah, they look confused, but they like it. Yeah, yeah. That's been my experience when I've yeah, that's when whenever I tell people I'm starting a podcast, they get a look like, oh, cute.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then when they ask what it's about, I say, Oh, we want to talk about women and people who are non-binary, maybe the occasional men who have chosen a different different path or made a difficult decision, and they're like, Oh, cute. And then when I get into the name, no one will hear this. That's when I feel like I get their attention. Yeah. And the name came about we were um in the phase of our podcast planning where we were talking about what we would name it, and we knew we wanted something around deconstruction, but we couldn't come up with a name that way. And I had just finished reading Ocean Wong's on Earth, We Are Briefly Gorgeous, and that's a beautiful book. And if you haven't read it yet, um, read it. Yeah, it's a story about a Vietnamese American young man. The premise of the book is that it's a letter to his mother, and it's written in English, and um she is illiterate and she doesn't speak English, so she will never read it. And I found this podcast episode between him and Dua Lipa, and it's a beautiful episode, and he has this amazing quote. He says, What is a message in a bottle thrown into the sea and then never found? What is the point of language if the you is not there anymore or will never be there or was never there in the first place? Then the crisis falls on language itself. Can the act of writing for someone who will never hear it? Does that do anything for the speaker? Does that do anything for the self? Can it build a world? Can it get the main character in the book to say things to his mother he could never tell her in person? In a way, the denying of a listener allows the confessor to say more than he ever would if his mother could just pick up the book and read it. And we started talking about that, and it was almost as though our ideas were falling on top of each other as we tried to get them out. And we started talking about that um question if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Yeah. And yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and we also were the the word vulnerability kept coming up constantly in our planning and our like, you know, what do we want the tone of conversation to be? How do we want, when we have guests, how do we want them to show up as open as we are? Is that possible? Um and and I think you mentioned, well, what if we give people who are on the podcast the option to decide when we record a conversation, let them hear it, and they get to decide if we put it out to the world or not?
SPEAKER_03Or if it goes in their personal archive. And that's when this idea came about because we looked at each other and we said, Do we care if anyone other than us and the guest ever hears it? And we really, really, really mean no.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03We don't care because what we want is we want to have conversations that transform. Yeah. And we think that um the answer to that question is yes. If a tree falls in the forest, it still makes a sound if no one's there to hear it. And Maria came up with the name.
SPEAKER_00No, you said it and didn't even notice. You literally said, Well, what if we just tell the guests? Um, uh, you you have the option to put this out or not. It might just be that no one will hear this.
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_00You literally said that, and then I wrote it down and I waited till you stopped talking, and I said, That's the name. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So that's that's the premise is if you're a guest on the show, then before we even start recording, we'll have an agreement with you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That we will give you the episode, and if you don't want anyone to hear it, it goes in your personal archive. And we'll always have the memory of making that conversation together. And the three or four of us will always have the episode to listen to, but it might never get released to the public. We want to have those kinds of conversations with people where they say the thing that they worry um their boss might hear, or their ex might hear, or their parents might hear, because it's what they would say to you or me in private or to their friends. Um to themselves. Or to themselves to process an experience. And that's the conversation we want to have, not the conversation that's recorded for the listener.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And that I think lines up with the whole purpose of us talking to people who defy the status quo in some way, is that how do we yeah, how do we stick to our inner voice and and lean into our own curiosity to experience life as we deserve and not as we're told.
SPEAKER_03If we're talking about our lives and in particular the people we've dated and the sexual experiences we've had, or uh the ways our parents have hurt us or disappointed us, or the way we've disappointed other people and hurt them, then we uh want to do that in the most authentic way possible and not worry about whether or not someone's going to hear it. Yeah. And there are some topics that I think about well, what what would happen if my if my boss heard that? I have a a job where I deal with the local public and high net worth individuals, many of whom are probably incredibly conservative. And I just picture them complaining to my boss, and um, but that's not how I live my life, and that's not how I exist in my friendships, and that's not how I make the choices about who I love or who I date or don't date. Yeah. Or what job I take.
SPEAKER_00And there is freedom in that um that shift too. Like I'm even thinking last night I was at the bar with some friends, and we were talking about sex very loudly. And I, in that moment when my friend is literally yelling the words oral sex and and sucking dick, I turn and I realize that there were two people from my book club standing right there who we had like been talking to throughout the night. Um, but I think their parents were also with them, and that undid something in me where I was like, nope, no, nope. And I I pulled my friend towards me and said, please stop yelling the word dick.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00But like they like, what am I? A like a nun? Yeah. To me now it's silly, but in that moment, like the immediate like feeling of, oh God, they cannot hear that I am having this conversation with these two gorgeous men, you know.
SPEAKER_03Right, or know that someone in that scenario sucked it. One of us. None of us sucked it, not me.
SPEAKER_00Um so I this is an experiment, I feel, you know, for us, for whoever comes on. Um, and I couldn't imagine doing it with anyone else. Feels so good. Um and yeah. Yeah. Thanks for joining us on this journey. Whoever's listening. Yeah. Sorry, mom.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Thank you for listening to No One Will Hear This.
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SPEAKER_03No One Will Hear This is created and hosted by Maria Perdomo and Kathy Knowles. Beam Music by Katie Boulevard. You can find us on Instagram as No One Will Hear This. Thanks for listening.