WEBVTT 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:12.080 On Saturday you called me because you said I have something that's gonna not make it into the message. 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:13.199 Can we talk about it on a podcast? 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:13.759 Yeah, yeah. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:15.199 And just a super short podcast. 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:19.440 This will be a much shorter podcast than our normal podcast is. 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:20.879 I don't think it needs to be long at all. 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:21.359 Yep. 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:25.519 And you said you wanted to talk about what translations we use and why. 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:26.160 Yeah. 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:27.199 Of the Bible. 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:35.520 Well, just sometimes I'll be writing a message and I will like opt to use a different translation. 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.399 Okay, so for example, we normally use the New Living Translation. 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:40.159 That's like our standard here at His Hands. 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:45.200 Um it's not because we think it's the best translation over other words or anything like that. 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:54.079 Yeah. 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:55.039 We have a lot of different ones. 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.079 NLT, EIV, and ESV all on there. 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.479 Well, you've you've bought like ESV, I know is one you use. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:02.159 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:03.840 And I don't even I it's good to say that. 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.120 I don't tell you use NLT when you teach the students. 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:08.159 You're free to use it. 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:10.159 Yeah, but I tend to use that NLT and NATO. 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:11.439 Yeah, anyway. 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:21.599 Um so I I had one verse where I switched over to the NASB because I felt like it the translation more accurately described what the original language was. 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:30.480 And I was gonna go on like a little like rabbit trail about different translations and what they do and and how it's not one is right, the other is wrong. 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:36.799 And because some people have like, well, how could this a how do we trust these translations when there's all these different translations? 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:43.120 The idea of a translation brings up some like, is that a questionable or shaky faith sort of situation? 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:43.439 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:45.920 And so I was gonna go on that and I was like, uh, that's not worth it. 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:46.079 Yeah. 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.280 It's just gonna take too long and it's too much of a departure from what we're talking about. 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:50.799 So I was like, we'll just do a podcast about it. 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:51.920 So the Bible. 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:52.560 The Bible. 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:53.680 God wrote the Bible. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:54.480 Yes, he did. 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:55.439 It was kind of. 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:56.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:56.480 Yeah. 00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:57.439 Uh yeah. 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.280 No, it's um well, specifically translations. 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:05.439 I mean, we're not having a conversation now about the origin, the divine inspiration. 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:06.319 We should do a good question. 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:06.959 We should go quick. 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.400 Humans wrote the Bible in their modern language at the time. 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:10.879 Yes. 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:14.159 Which is now an ancient language that requires translation. 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.719 So like even God inspired humans. 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:21.439 Like they we do believe that the what these people wrote that is it is scripture. 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:21.680 Yep. 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.639 We don't think they fell in a trance and like their hand was moving and they don't know. 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.000 Like they have their own voice and their own style, even. 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:29.280 Um that's how God operates. 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:35.599 He uses us as we are, but we do believe it's more than just one person's opinions that this is divine revelation that we apply to life. 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:47.919 Extends from the people who wrote it, the people who saw it, the people who wrote it, the people who collected it, the people who compiled it, because now we we we land in a part where we go, like, this isn't in the Bible for good reasons. 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:49.759 And this might even be a separate podcast. 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:50.319 Yeah, right. 00:02:50.560 --> 00:03:03.199 But sometimes there's a little bit of made-up controversy in the world today, and there's this idea that like when the councils of Christians first got together to decide what was scripture and what wasn't, that there were like massive amounts of debate about that. 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:04.080 There was some. 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:06.159 Like the book of James is an interesting example. 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.919 Um it it was one of the more controversial at the time. 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:11.919 Is should it be, should it not be? 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:18.240 But it wasn't like you had these warring factions of like, I want this one in, well, I'll give you this one if you give me that one. 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:24.879 The early in the history of the church, there was pretty much I mean, it it was like people agreed. 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:30.159 Yeah, and like scripture, they didn't decide it was scripture, it was like it was evident that it was scripture. 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:31.840 This has been used as scripture correctly. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:32.319 Correct. 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:37.759 And there so it wasn't like sometimes nowadays people like to treat it like, oh yeah, well, these guys got together and they decided what was scripture. 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:43.280 Well, no, by that time, like the scripture had made itself evident and they were so anyway, that's a different conversation. 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.240 That's a Bible project is doing a conversation about that right now. 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:47.120 Are they really? 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:47.280 Yeah. 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:49.759 Man, I'm so I am so behind on Bible project. 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:50.800 I need to make that part of my regular. 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:52.000 I just saw it and listened to it. 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:55.199 I got out of listening to that one because they changed their format and I didn't like it at first. 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:57.840 And I probably just need to get over it and I think they're done with that format. 00:03:58.159 --> 00:03:58.560 Okay, good. 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.000 They went back to two guys talking. 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:00.479 Yes. 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.000 Yeah, because they was trying, I was like, ah. 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:03.039 It was more produced. 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.360 It f it was, and it felt like something I needed to watch. 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:05.919 Sure. 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.400 Because my brain wasn't jumping with, like, oh, they're in a different location. 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:10.000 Where anyway, I'll get back into it. 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:19.519 Um, yeah, but specifically for this conversation, you're like you said, they wrote it in in these ancient languages to us, but modern languages at the time, they wrote it in their everyday language. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:21.920 Um, we have three languages in the Bible. 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:31.680 We have uh predominantly Hebrew and Greek, and there are certain parts of the Old Testament that are in Aramaic, which was a you know major spoken language of the day. 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:32.959 Hebrew neighbor conquered. 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.079 Hebrew neighbor, and they conquered Israel and their language won. 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:37.920 Yeah, so that's how it works. 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:43.279 Uh but those are the three languages, mainly Hebrew and Greek, Greek New Testament, Hebrew Old Testament, with a little Aramaic as well. 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:50.480 And then we have all these translations now that exist in our language, and so sometimes it's uh it's hard to make sense of it. 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:53.040 I have a few, it's like I've maybe like a tool belt, you know. 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:54.319 Like there's a few that I go to. 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:55.439 There's my normal one. 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:00.000 Then there's also a few that I'll go to for some other things here and there, and I just thought it'd be easier to do it as a podcast. 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:08.160 Do you read what do you read as your like study Bible if you're just sitting there reading and I read the New Living Translation, but I also will frequently reference New American Standard Version. 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:17.120 Well, and even you say that I have a a number of uh Bible commentators that I read as I study, and most of them are older, like most of them aren't alive anymore. 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:28.959 But so the New Living Translation wasn't around when they wrote, and so they use a lot of um I guess ESV or like the equivalent of ESV at the time, because even all these translations get updated. 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:29.360 Right. 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:30.160 You know? 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:34.079 And so um, yeah, so it's a variety of ones. 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.560 If I'm opening my Bible and reading, I'll tend to read the New Living. 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:38.800 And that's partially because I teach from that. 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.879 So it's it's uh for me at least, some people might be wired differently. 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:50.000 It would be hard for me to always read a different translation than I'm gonna teach from because so much of what I'm reading works its way into how I'm teaching. 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:53.680 So why did you use the specific moment? 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:54.560 What was the verse? 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:55.600 So the verse, okay. 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:57.839 Well, I was talking about justification, is that what it was? 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.519 So I was talking about forgiveness and how the word in our language and that's the whole point. 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:11.519 When I say these translations have been updated, um, it's not that they're messing with it to put in biases, it's the language changes, right? 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:12.480 Like language updates. 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:17.759 And as a youth pastor, it's like, or if you have parent, if you're a parent of teenagers, you know that. 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.000 Like you have to get them to translate what they're talking about. 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:20.399 Correct. 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:22.560 And they're sitting in your home all the time. 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.279 So it's like, how can they be speaking so differently? 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:26.959 And you need that clarified. 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.399 A silly example of that would be when I was a kid growing up. 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:38.720 I mean, I was in the 80s, the teenage ninja turtles, it was like surfer language, and they'd say like gnarly, and gnarly literally means like bad. 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:38.879 Yeah. 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:40.639 It's gnarly, it's all gnarled up. 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.120 But gnarly all of a sudden was like, that's awesome. 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:43.360 Yeah. 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:44.079 That's gnarly. 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:45.680 And that's a silly example, right? 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.560 But you, yeah, I mean, with Gen Alpha, no cap. 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:50.879 Uh no, that is not that's like millennial. 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:51.920 That's I okay. 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:53.519 Um Aura. 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.040 Aura, yeah. 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.120 Um raise your ya-ya-ya. 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:58.240 Okay. 00:06:58.560 --> 00:06:58.879 Fam. 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:00.800 Like fam is Fam twin. 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:01.439 Twin. 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:03.199 Well, that's like two years ago, but yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:04.480 Twin is like bro. 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:06.480 The new version of bro is twin. 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:07.199 Gotcha. 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:11.680 And so And bruh means like why are you doing that? 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:11.839 Yeah. 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:13.360 Like, yeah, I've picked up on that. 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.120 Yeah, so language changes. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:20.639 And um and they don't the the Bible translations we have don't put bruh in there. 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.120 It's not like and Jesus looked at Peter and said, bruh. 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:24.560 Like that's not doing that. 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:35.519 Um But there but there are certain things that change so definitively over time, and words shift that our understood what it means to us is not what it would have meant to them. 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:46.560 So for example, in the and I'll go to what I was doing on Sunday, in the King James Version, uh Philippians 1.27 will say, and I'm not I don't have this memorized in all the translations. 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:47.920 I look this up in preparation for that. 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:48.720 I just want to be clear. 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:54.079 Sometimes it's easy to like front, like you've got, I know, I'm a walking lexicon. 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:59.279 But um it says, let your conversation be holy, okay? 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.959 Well um and it says specifically your conversation. 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.040 Like let it be let it show people that you're truly a believer. 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:07.360 Okay. 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:12.399 Well uh in our day and age, conversation means one thing, like what you say. 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.879 But actually at the time that that the King James was written, conversation that word didn't mean just that, it meant your conduct. 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:21.120 Like you mean when you meet, how you act. 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:25.120 But we've gotten to a point where his language has has changed. 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:30.480 We no no one in our day would read the word conversation and think anything more than what you say. 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:30.879 Right. 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:40.639 And it and it includes what you say, but so now like uh and this isn't just the new living translation, uh, probably the new American standard or a bunch of them, we'll just say your conduct. 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:42.720 And they didn't change it. 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:59.840 No, it's it's trying to let the translation be a tool that you don't have to have an intermediate intermediary step of going like, well, I need to know so much to get from let's say King James, King James to understanding what it's actually talking about. 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:05.840 It's just saying, like, actually let's bridge that gap and say, here's for clarity, what this means. 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:06.159 Yeah. 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:09.200 And so you asked mine, I I have uh NLT is my main. 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:10.320 What's your main that you read from? 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:10.799 ESV. 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:15.200 I think I have the most things memorized in ESV, and that's really why I use it that way. 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.639 ESV's a really solid translation, it's been around for a long time. 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:26.080 And then um I'll use NASB, New American Standard Bible, as my clarifier. 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:27.679 And it's funny, some people do the opposite. 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:30.159 They would do more okay, so let's back up. 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.080 There are a few different types of translations in terms of what they value. 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:39.120 There's word for word, there's thought for thought, and thought for thought is what the new living would be. 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:45.440 It's where meaning is going to is they're gonna value meaning over just the word. 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.720 And so there's a willingness to look at what that would have meant. 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:58.559 Or yeah, and NLT kind of has the tendency to like it it would be more permissible to use idioms that we understand. 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:05.360 So like I don't know if this is an actually an actual example, but like if I said there's a truckload of baseballs over there. 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:06.799 Well, that wouldn't be in the New Living. 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:08.080 No, I know it would say truckload. 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:09.279 I know it wouldn't say truckload. 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:15.120 But I'm saying like I've encountered moments in the New Living where it's like that's more of a modern idiom. 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:19.120 It still makes sense in the context that it's actually using, but it's communicating the thing. 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:20.799 Yeah, I'd love to know the example of that at some point. 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.600 Um it wouldn't be as modern as well. 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:32.559 They wouldn't put they wouldn't put something in that like no one so they wouldn't put something in that no one back then would have had a concept of, right? 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:32.879 Right? 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:34.320 Like what a truck is. 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.039 Um yeah, but it's a thought for thought. 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.600 And so there's going to be an emphasis on I mean a really simple example of that. 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:58.799 And and the New Living is not the only translation that does it, but as I was studying in Philippians, um early in Philippians, Paul says that the entire if you're reading in the New Living Translation, he'll say the whole palace guard has been encouraged or has gotten to hear the gospel basically because of his imprisonment. 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:03.200 Now, there'll be a a foot, you know, a little annotation there. 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.600 And and the new the New Living Translation will will have a ton of those. 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:15.279 And if you click on that, if you're on a screen or if you look that up, you know, somewhere else, it'll say the the actual Greek word there is just the word praetorium. 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:19.440 And praetorium is a word that technically just means palace. 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:20.399 Okay. 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.200 But Paul wasn't imprisoned in a palace. 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:25.679 He wasn't that wasn't his situation. 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:34.159 That word praetorium had come in their day and age, while it meant palace, it had become synonymous with the palace guard. 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:40.000 So the praetoriate was the Roman palace guard, and they ended up becoming like the kingmakers of their big deal. 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:57.279 But even in Paul's time, that that phrase, that word meant it meant the word was palace, and you could accurately say that Paul said the whole palace has been, but then your mind might go, well, Paul's in a palace and the the the king, the whatever, the you know, the ruler of that area. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:57.919 No. 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.200 Um, he's he's saying he's talking about the the guards that are in charge. 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:04.159 So praetorium. 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.559 So it the New Living will say the palace guard. 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:06.960 Right. 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.759 And then it'll it'll let you know, hey, this is Yeah, footnotes are how you survive in any translation. 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:12.240 Correct. 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:15.919 And then they'll let you know, hey, this is this was this, this is why we changed it to that. 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:31.039 But a footnote that occurs in a word-for-word translation is gonna get you much more into like the history of like manuscripts and stuff where it's like in the NASB, if you encounter a footnote, it's gonna be like there are three manuscripts that include this word and two that do not include this word. 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:31.519 Correct. 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.840 In the NLT, it's just clarifying the meaning. 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.480 It's much more about the And it'll include that stuff too. 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:40.879 You'll still have if there are verses that weren't in the original, it'll still say that. 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:45.360 But yeah, actually, I mean, I think the NSB has like every fifth word has a footnote basically in that one. 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:45.840 You're like, whoa. 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.960 And so, yeah, so on Sunday, the example was I was talking about forgiveness. 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.639 And there is um, you know, there's a verse. 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:59.600 I I used a verse from I should have pulled this up ahead of time, um, where I I was like, I want to talk about justification. 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:06.799 And justification means a little something, it's it means something a little deeper than just forgiveness in the way we think about forgiveness. 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:12.480 But a lot of even like the New Living Translation will often translate justification as forgiveness, right? 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:14.559 Because it's trying to, it's not a word we use all the time. 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:14.879 Right. 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:16.799 So the New Living Translation will value that. 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.720 They will say, that translation will say, Well, that's a word no one really uses. 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:26.399 So we'll find an equivalent word there, and it makes it easier to understand. 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:31.840 But occasionally you go, Well, but I I I don't want I want that. 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:38.000 I'm trying to develop in the minds of the listeners the understanding of this specific concept. 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.240 Very specific concept that you need that for. 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.279 And so I don't think there's one I don't think you should live by one translation. 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:43.679 No. 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.080 Um that's where I show that picture of the cart. 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.799 It's like use what works. 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:57.279 And a lot of times uh what actually works the best is switching up the translation because you've been so in the same word 100%. 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:04.480 And so hearing it from a slightly different perspective and slightly different language, it kind of wake wakes it up and brings it to life in a cool way. 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:04.960 Absolutely. 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:06.879 And so, like I said, you got kind of three main categories. 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.399 You've got word for word, new American standard is gonna be in that camp. 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:15.919 You've got thought for thought, that's gonna be New Living Translation, be a major one there, where they're gonna value meaning. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.080 And by the way, like the New Living, it was a huge team of scholars, put it. 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.080 It wasn't like some dude in a room. 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:34.960 And it was a huge team of biblical scholars and also a huge team of English linguistic specialists who and there was this poll, we're not letting the linguistic people, we're not letting it's like we're coming together, how do we say this? 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.039 And that's what it just makes it when I'm speaking to a thousand people from all different backgrounds. 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.279 It's very normal modern language, yes. 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:49.200 NLT is it's not trendy language, no, it's not trying to be fresh, but it's easily understood and the meaning comes across really well. 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:53.279 And then you have paraphrases, which is like more like art project. 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.440 I don't know how to like describe this is some dude. 00:14:55.759 --> 00:15:06.960 Well, and like the most famous paraphrase version of the Bible that we have now, it used to be a book, a Bible called the Living Bible, um, but then that that New Living Bible actually came as like what's a what would a scholarly version of this be? 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:07.840 New Living Translation. 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:12.000 New Living Translation, scholarly version of the Living Bible, the message version. 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.240 Yeah, the message will say truckload. 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:15.039 It might, yeah. 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:23.679 No, the message has a verse about like casseroles being being like and the funny thing about it is it is a paraphrase, and Eugene Peterson who wrote it. 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:24.799 He's a smart dude. 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:29.600 Oh, incredible, he's written some incredible books, and so it's not like some random guy with a bad agenda. 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:39.200 There are some I mean, there's some pretty modern paraphrase versions that are just a person with an agenda who's like, I don't like that the Bible says this, so I'm just gonna translate it this way. 00:15:39.519 --> 00:16:01.200 And so the main thing I would tell anyone is from my perspective, and this certain people may see think I'm too loose with this, but um if it's a if it's a modern scholarly translation, scholarly meaning teams of experts using original manuscripts to put this together, like it's gonna have value. 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:05.440 And what I would tell anyone is you you want to have a couple of translations on hand. 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.080 Like for you it's ESV, and then what else do you think? 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:09.039 NLT. 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.120 Uh I look at the NIV. 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:19.120 I don't really use it much, but there's so much like the NIV is one that uh I probably grew up with that as the main translation that was used in church when I was growing up. 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:19.600 Yeah. 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:21.840 So I learned a lot of stuff in the NIV. 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:27.840 And uh also my app that I use, I was wondering because I was like, why do I never use the NASB? 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.879 It's because I use blue blue letter Bible. 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:36.080 And so if there's ever a moment where I'm like trying to do what you're doing, where it's like, what's the word there? 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:42.480 Let me clarify what that I just click on the verse and it gives me the Greek, and then I just click on the Greek word like strong's concordance or whatever. 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:44.080 You can do it yeah, man. 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:46.000 There was a stuff. 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:47.440 Do you remember the Connect Bible app? 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.320 It's the same Blue Letter Bible is the Connect Bible app. 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:53.200 I know, but I feel like the Connect Bible app was like, I liked it better. 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:54.639 It was simpler, but whatever. 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:56.159 Okay, it's a different app, different thing. 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:01.200 Yeah, and so again, like another example, maybe a classic one would be um the Lord's Prayer, right? 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:07.759 The King James version that most people who grew up in church a long time ago would have learned that is hallowed be your name. 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.400 Well, no one says hallowed anymore. 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.480 But what that means is May your name be holy. 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:15.200 Right. 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.960 So the New Living Translation says, Our Father in Heaven, may your name be Heavenly Father. 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:19.759 Well, there you go. 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:21.279 Heavenly Father, not our Father in Heaven. 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.400 I mix them in my brain sometimes because but may your name be kept holy. 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:25.599 Means the same thing. 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:28.319 The average person hears that and goes, I can put that together. 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.440 Hallowed, what is my kids wouldn't be like, what does hallowed mean? 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.319 Um but yeah, so I have a couple that I go to. 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:34.880 I think they're good. 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:40.880 And I say scholarly because um, like one of the things that bothers me, but I guess it's okay, it's just different philosophies Bible Gateway. 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:41.680 I use that website a lot. 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.200 Don't know if you ever use that website. 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:46.640 I use the website on browser, yes. 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.960 And I are you gonna say, what do you go finish? 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.880 Well, they just include like every translation available, and they're all given sort of equality. 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:54.880 Yes, it seems like they're all the same. 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:55.279 Yes. 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:59.920 So you can scroll and be like, I want to see this in the mirror bible is one that's I don't know if it's on there. 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:00.799 I don't know if it's on there. 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:01.599 But it's not a good one. 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:02.400 Yeah, passion translation. 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:03.920 Passion translation is not a good one. 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:05.359 Is it but I think it's on there. 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:09.519 You can be like, I want to read this in the passion translation, which is not a scholar, it's it's not. 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:19.920 And so I wish they would be like to be to be aware, I think that's the thing is like a lot of people are gifted Bibles just because it's like whatever's the new thing that's out. 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:34.000 Um I do think that even with the scholarly um translations, to be aware of the controversies that exist in those equips you just to have like knowledge on, oh, I'm gonna have that. 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:41.119 Like people will say, you know, NIV or NLT have removed verses from the Bible, which is just not true. 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:46.480 No, they're saying it, what they're what they don't know they're saying is they've removed verses that are in the King James version of the Bible. 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.039 But those verses aren't in the original manuscripts. 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:49.440 Right. 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.039 So the actual controversy is that the King James included those. 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:53.440 Right. 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:59.839 But the King James only included those because the King James didn't have access to the same manuscripts we had. 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.599 They translated the Latin Vulgate. 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:03.119 Yep, Latin to English. 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:04.799 It's an interesting thing to think about. 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.200 Like even verses didn't exist until the 1500s. 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:08.640 No one had put verses with it. 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:14.400 And so basically, pretty early Latin became the official language of the world, essentially, the Roman Empire. 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:19.279 And so they it got the the scriptures were translated from Greek to Latin. 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:24.880 And then for like a thousand years, no one really everyone was like, okay, this is what we got. 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:30.480 And it took like a thousand years for someone to be like, hey, have we gone back to the Greek and double checked? 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.200 Double checked and all these Greek manuscripts. 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:42.559 And so you had some guys like Erasmus is a really well-known name, and he was doing um, he was actually one of the first guys publishing Greek versions of the Bible back when okay. 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:53.839 But then the King James based their translation primarily on the Latin Vulgate, which had some some some things in it that weren't probably maybe shouldn't have been in there, at least should have been noted, this is not in there. 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:58.720 Um yeah, but if you grew up in a King James only, like that's probably the you know, yeah. 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:12.400 And the only translation is the King James translation, then it's you you think these people messed with the translation, when in reality, the access the amount of scholarly access we have to original manuscript copies today dwarfs what they had when they did the King James Bible. 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:27.359 So And that's where having some awareness of what that controversy is equips you to have like, oh, when you encounter you know, verse 15, like you you see this verse 15, and then it skips verse 16 and goes to verse 17. 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:33.279 Just to know how to use a footnote and go, let me read the footnote to clarify why there's no verse 16. 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:43.359 And it'll say, hey, some some maybe include this, but yeah, and that is that is actually one of the beautiful things about the the Bible that we have now is it's so honest. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:59.599 It's it's there's no it's it's a it's a it's a difficult thing to take ancient documents and preserve them, which have has happened in an a an amazing way, and actually have even the ability for there to be debate amongst it. 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:06.960 You actually don't see that in a lot of other faiths, where there's not a hey, I think that our translation might be in need of like you get you're ousted for that. 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:14.400 Yeah, and then NIV, I think the biggest other controversy that I can think of is the gender-neutral they got added in 2011. 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:26.640 And so did it really to talk about to talk about general groups instead of he or she, where it uh where it's like if it's talking about mankind, it would use the term they rather than he. 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:32.960 So or man in general, like it would use a gender-neutral they, which I think is just a cultural. 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:34.079 Yeah, it's a cultural. 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:35.759 That was long before there was like a gender. 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.559 I know, but that was just more cultural at the time. 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:43.440 But gendered language is a really big part of those ancient languages. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:44.720 But that's what I'm saying. 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:54.720 I think they were aware of that and preserved the gendered language when it was it's like how Bible projects will sometimes use y'all when it says you. 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:56.079 It's like it's a helpful. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.000 The thous, the the plural you, like you as a group versus you as an individual. 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:05.440 Language is just one word. 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:05.759 Yep. 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.440 And when you're reading, you can miss that. 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:08.640 You can look at everything personally. 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:19.119 But in the King James, because of their language, thy, the, thou, like those those indicated formality sometimes, but also indicated collective you. 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.599 And so I wish we had a y'all translation of the Bible. 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:24.880 It wouldn't sound so Southern, but it it would. 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:26.240 So it'd be it would be tough. 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:27.200 But or you all. 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:29.359 Just you guys. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.039 You guys need to remember. 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:32.240 But there would be all a lot of that. 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.319 Because it's almost every you in the New Testament is plural. 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:34.480 Right. 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:34.880 So it's not. 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.000 But that changes how you read that changes how you engage with scripture. 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:47.200 Not that the Lord can't use by the power of the Holy Spirit a basically a conversational tone in the scriptures as you're reading it, you know, prayerfully. 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:58.000 But when you know Paul is commanding you to do something, you y'all Corinthians would read very different than you, Madison. 00:22:58.319 --> 00:22:58.480 Yes. 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:06.319 When again devotionally, so I would say that all I wanted to say on Sunday was this, basically. 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:08.319 But yeah, I I use a variety of translations. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:17.839 New Living is what we live with here at his hands because we feel like A, I feel like, um it is a it is a scholarly uh interpretation. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.519 It's not a paraphrase. 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:20.799 A ton of work went into it. 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.079 It was really good work. 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:23.359 It's not perfect. 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:25.039 The scriptures are, right? 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:27.119 It no translation in and of itself is perfect. 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:33.599 So I use, if you look at my um we actually have a little thing on our mobile app, all verses are new living translation unless otherwise noted. 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:33.759 Right. 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:49.440 It's at the top of every and it's I would say every week, at least every two weeks, there's going to be one or two verses that I opt for a different translation in because I feel like, oh, this one isn't quite while it's very conversational, it may skip over something I really want us to dive into. 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:50.880 Yeah, and that's it, that's a style thing. 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:51.440 It's a style thing. 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.000 It's not it's not even this huge conviction. 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:54.160 Yeah. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:24:00.640 Because like I taught on the Sermon on the Mount, and part of that was me reading the entirety of the Sermon on the Mount. 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.839 And I just asked you, I was like, hey, I'm used to it in ESV. 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:04.960 Yeah, I was like, Me reading it. 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:06.319 ESV is a great translation. 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.480 Would be really like I'd be stumbling over the words a lot more for that long of a reading. 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:15.519 No, and I I would say for me, if someone's like, if I'm drawing a circle of like, what do you recommend? 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:32.480 I would say I would recommend ESV, NIV, I think is fine, um, NLT, NASB, the New American Standard, is harder to read because it is so it is trying so hard to be word for word and to structure it the way that it's more written. 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.519 So it's gonna read like it's just gonna read more formal. 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:42.480 You're gonna be like uh, I don't know, if you're watching a a movie that they're trying really hard to talk like the way people talked in the 1800s. 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:42.880 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:44.640 You're like, you're having to like focus. 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:45.920 You gotta do that a little bit. 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:46.799 But there's value in that. 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.799 And so I use a lot of an ESB in cross-referencing and reading. 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:52.640 Um that's pretty normal for me. 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.519