WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:01.120 What's going on, Madison? 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:01.520 Hi. 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:02.160 How are you doing? 00:00:02.479 --> 00:00:02.560 Good. 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:02.959 How are you? 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:03.439 I'm good. 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:04.000 I'm good. 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:05.440 I am I am tired. 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:07.919 It is Monday, today after Sunday. 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:09.439 You just preached a message yesterday. 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:09.679 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:10.000 I did. 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:10.800 A whole message. 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:16.160 I had said I thought that yesterday went really well, and you said if I could do it again, there's a bunch I'd do different in the message. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:17.039 Oh, not a bunch. 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:18.800 Just uh No, not like a bunch. 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:21.440 Just one probably one little thing, but that's how it is almost every time. 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:21.839 Sure. 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:23.359 You probably have the same thing when you teach. 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:23.760 Right. 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:24.079 Yeah. 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:34.399 Which is why we do this thing we're doing right now every once in a while called the cutting room floor, where we take uh a message that we we taught on and said, hey, there's some stuff that didn't quite make it into the cut. 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.119 And sometimes that's on purpose, and other times it's after the fact. 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:38.159 You're like, I should have said this. 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:38.560 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yeah. 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.280 Did you know over the weekend that we were going to have this? 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:43.920 Like as you were prepping the message, you were like, oh, we're going to do this. 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:47.439 Because you you called me and you were like, we need to talk about podcast something. 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:49.359 And then we never we never touched base again. 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:51.600 And I was like, No, I made this decision on Saturday. 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:58.719 I was writing it and I started to like there's just uh the what we covered had a lot of stuff you could you could you know you could go in a lot of different directions with. 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:03.679 And I was starting to go through some of that stuff and I was like, no, this would be good to just this is good to set to the side. 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:05.680 And so we we talked about John the Baptist. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.040 And when he sends disciples to Jesus to say, hey, are you really the Messiah? 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:10.159 Because John's in prison. 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:13.200 He doesn't probably think that's the way this is going to go, as he's, you know, one of the things. 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:14.799 I shouldn't be in prison if you're the Messiah. 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:17.840 Yeah, I'm the one that I'm the prophet that kind of paved the way for you. 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:23.040 I kind of imagined I would be by your side at the forefront of this new kingdom, and didn't think I would be here. 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:33.760 And uh and so we just kind of talked about Jesus' response to John the Baptist and really using it as a framework to understand how we deal with honestly, disappointment with God sometimes. 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.519 Sometimes we feel like God is not living up to what we expected him to do. 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:43.200 Um and John sort of seems like that's it's that we don't can't read his mind, but it seems like that's what he's doing. 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:46.400 The only thing I would change in the message is I had these three things. 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:53.439 I said, look, when you're when your expectations of God uh aren't met, you should examine your expectations, find out where they actually came from. 00:01:53.680 --> 00:02:00.319 Um you should adjust the expectations, and the biggest thing is just let them go and realize that God always does unexpected things. 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:05.200 Some of those unexpected things are gonna be hard, some of them are gonna be like, wow, that's amazing. 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:10.080 Um, but God just refuses to abide by our expectations all throughout Scripture. 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:16.159 The one thing I would change is I I would have said, go to Jesus, because John's He did do the right thing by Yeah. 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:17.919 Yeah, like it and it's kind of assumed. 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:21.199 He didn't just give up in prison and correct and let go of his expectations. 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.080 He sent, he was like, I'm gonna go to Jesus to clarify. 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.759 So that's what I would probably go back and make four and say, number one, go to Jesus. 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:28.080 Right. 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:36.240 Number two, examine the origins of those, because you know, Jesus was really up front with his disciples about following him would be hard, there would be persecution. 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:41.599 He didn't promise rosy wealth or you know, it wasn't like rosy circumstances and all that. 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.719 In the midst of all of that, he seems very open to questions. 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:45.039 Correct. 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:46.960 Like he's not like shutting people down all the time. 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:49.280 Sometimes he's like, that's not for me to know. 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.840 I don't even know that, so I can't really give you a appropriate answer. 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:55.199 He's like, I'm not playing this game. 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:55.520 Yeah. 00:02:55.759 --> 00:03:02.000 But for his followers and for the people he loved, there was not a um a distancing there when it comes to clarifying what he's saying. 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.719 Yeah, he's not the kind of teacher that you're afraid to raise your hand and ask a question. 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:05.759 Because yeah, 100%. 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.560 But that, yeah, so that's probably the only thing I would have changed. 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:09.840 But I really enjoyed that message. 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:17.840 I think it's one of those things that um it's it it as more I thought about it, like, yeah, it is very easy to get disappointed in God. 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:32.719 And I know a lot of people who have I say a lot, I definitely know people that I can think of right now that kind of have abandoned their faith the moment something didn't especially something big in life, maybe a death or their marriage fell apart, something like that. 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.840 It didn't go the way that they wanted it to go, and maybe they had prayed about it. 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.759 And because they didn't get what they wanted, they're like, I'm done with God. 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:44.159 And uh I don't think John the Baptist was at that I don't think he was there. 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:44.639 Right. 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:48.240 But a lot of people get there, and uh I thought it was a really relevant message. 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:57.439 So yeah, and so that's what you would have done differently specifically for the message you gave, but going into it, you knew certain aspects of this scripture just is too much to get into. 00:03:57.759 --> 00:03:59.039 It's such an interesting conversation. 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:03.759 And so, like, okay, I'll open up Matthew uh 11 is where we're at. 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.919 And so uh, you know, John the Baptist sends his disciples to say, Hey, are you the Messiah? 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:09.360 Are you the one we've been expecting? 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:10.960 Or should we look for somebody else? 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:18.480 And he says, Look, tell John, the blind see, the lame walk, those with leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised to life, the good news is being preached to the poor. 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:25.120 He's pulling from like Isaiah and some other he's kind of doing a grab bag of different prophetic things from the Old Testament. 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.800 Um, and he adds, God blesses those who do not fall away because of me. 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:35.040 And then Jesus starts to talk about John, and he says, What kind of man did you uh go into the wilderness to see? 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:40.399 Was he a weak reed swayed by every breath of wind, or were you expecting to see a man dressed in expensive clothes? 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:40.800 No. 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:43.199 People with expensive clothes live in palaces. 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:44.480 Were you looking for a prophet? 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:45.040 Yes. 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:46.319 And he's more than a prophet. 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:53.439 John is the man to whom the scriptures refer when they say, Look, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, and he will prepare your way before you. 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.680 I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.279 Yet even the least person in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he is. 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:08.399 And from the time John the Baptist began preaching until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and violent people are attacking it. 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:12.639 For before John came, all the prophets in the law of Moses look forward to this present time. 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:17.519 And if you're willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come. 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.240 Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand. 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.079 To what can I compare this generation? 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.800 It is like children playing a game in the public square. 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:29.199 They complain to their friends, we played wedding songs, you didn't dance, we played funeral songs, you didn't mourn. 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:33.439 For John didn't spend his time eating and drinking, and you say he's possessed by a demon. 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:40.399 The Son of Man, on the other hand, feasts and drinks, and you say he's a glutton and a drunkard, and a friend of tax collectors and other sinners. 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.759 But wisdom is shown to be right by its results. 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:58.560 And so um So there's two kind of there's a lot there, but two of the more puzzling things you kind of pointed them out on Sunday, but the one that immediately jumps to me is the least John is least in the kingdom of heaven. 00:05:58.959 --> 00:05:59.040 Right. 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.680 No one maybe which verse is that? 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.560 Verse um 11. 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.360 Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he is. 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:19.920 And then the other one that's somewhat confusing and maybe takes some just like I don't know if it's Bible trivia or just uh wisdom and insight into scripture and into what Jesus is saying is the Elijah stuff. 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:20.720 The Elijah stuff. 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.560 Yeah, and those are the two things primarily that I was like, didn't get into. 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:29.519 Um so yeah, you wanna get what is I mean, what's your familiarity with some of that stuff? 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:37.199 So there's another passage where uh Jesus is transfigured and Elijah is there. 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:37.680 Correct. 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:39.439 So there's the the Elijah moment. 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:40.240 That's yep. 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:53.279 There's the Elijah moment where Jesus references like the prophets that came before and they still I might be conflating something, but look what they did to those prophets and their rejection of them and whatnot. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.240 And then doesn't someone else call? 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:58.480 Oh, who do people say that I am? 00:06:58.639 --> 00:06:59.600 Some say Elijah. 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:00.240 John the Baptist. 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:01.360 John the Baptist, right? 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:03.439 Who and some say Elijah, some say Elijah. 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:11.279 And then you even have like Revelation where there's the two witnesses that uh Elijah and Moses are often who that's it may do it directly say that it's Elijah and Moses? 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:13.839 Maybe it does, but at the very least that's what's talked about. 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:15.680 I I should know that, but you know. 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:21.120 Um yeah, no, and so uh I don't think Jesus is saying that he's Elijah. 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:23.360 He's not like the spirit of Elijah. 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:24.319 Well, maybe so. 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:25.360 It's not like a ghost. 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.160 No, or John or John the Baptist. 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:30.800 Sorry, yeah. 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:31.120 Yeah. 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:32.399 John the Baptist is not Elijah. 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:42.000 So he's referencing a scripture, it's Malachi, very last book of the Old Testament, uh very last like you know, Malachi uh five, four, uh sorry, four five. 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:49.279 And Malachi four five says, Look, I am sending you the prophet Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:56.639 His preaching will turn hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, otherwise I will come and strike the land with a curse. 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:58.000 So that was like an expectation. 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.120 It's like the cliffhanger that the Old Testament ends off with. 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:01.759 Yeah. 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.199 Like so they're waiting for Elijah. 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.759 Um and Elijah is gonna somehow sort of uh bring in the day of the Lord. 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.199 The day of the Lord is this concept we see in the Old Testament a lot in the New Testament. 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:31.439 But essentially, um the Jewish people believed, and the scriptures taught, that there's actually multiple days of the Lord, but the day of the Lord is a phrase that essentially says like um like this fulcrum moment where before judgment takes place, before like God maybe it's an empire full collapses. 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:36.000 You know, you could actually say that maybe like Passover was a day of the Lord for the Egyptians, right? 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.360 Before something big changes. 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:42.879 And so the big day of the Lord they're all looking forward to is the Messiah coming, and and everyone's like, well, Elijah's got to come first. 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:51.600 And so Jesus is saying that, yeah, that that is the role that John the Baptist fulfilled, that he is that Elijah, not actually Elijah. 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:53.440 The prophet the same person. 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:53.679 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:58.960 It's like the I'm trying to think of the uh the not churchy word to say like the mantle. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:08:59.600 You know what I mean? 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:00.240 Exactly. 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:04.879 The role that that Elijah played is being played out in a similar way. 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:13.200 And and someone even say he has the same the same spirit, and not the same spirit like the literal spirit of Elijah is his spirit. 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.039 Trevor Burrus The same calling and purpose and mission. 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.480 Same you know, and we say okay, it's like I'm so sorry, because it's just what comes to mind. 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:21.600 It's like basketball. 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:22.240 Okay. 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:23.519 Do you know who Michael Jordan is? 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:24.480 So there you go. 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:25.120 Kobe Bryant. 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:26.080 You know who Kobe Bryant is? 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:26.480 Yes. 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:26.960 Okay. 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:29.039 I know you're not a basketball guy. 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:29.840 Yeah, no, I'm I'm there. 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.279 So Michael Jordan is like when Lil Bow puts on the shirt. 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.440 Yeah, well Lil Bow becomes like Mike. 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.159 He has the spirit of Jordan's going with. 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:39.120 Is that really where you're going? 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:40.080 But that's maybe better. 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:40.879 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:51.039 But no, no, like the point is that there have been people, so okay, Kobe Bryant came after Michael Jordan and they had a little overlap, but like he just reminded people of Michael. 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.200 He looked, he he played like Michael. 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:54.720 When he moved, he looked like Michael. 00:09:54.799 --> 00:10:03.279 And you can actually people have taken video footage, and like here's Michael doing a certain move, and then there's Kobe, and it's like the same person almost. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:04.639 Like it's it's eerie. 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:09.679 And so sometimes someone comes along and you're like, man, it's almost like you are that person. 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.559 And so um that's what I think Jesus was referencing. 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:19.039 And you actually mentioned the Mount of Transfiguration, where Jesus goes up on the mountaintop um with his uh few of his disciples, Peter James and James. 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:26.080 Peter James and John, the closest three, and then he's transfigured into his glorified self, like what the version of him we'll see in heaven. 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.159 And Moses and Elijah are there, and he's talking to Moses and Elijah. 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:30.639 Right. 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:35.120 And that you would the way it indicates that that that is Moses and Elijah. 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:35.360 Yeah. 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:36.639 Like in heaven, essentially. 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:37.120 Right. 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:38.559 John the Baptist is his own. 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:58.159 And it's another it's another like uh skewed, not skewed, I don't know what the word is, but it's another fulfillment of the Malachi thing because there's the John the Baptist playing the role of Elijah, but then there's for Peter, James, and John witnessing the actual Elijah in the presence of And we see a lot of that in scripture, like in Romans, it talks about how Jesus is the second Adam. 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.759 You know, it's like he kind of steps into the role of Adam and redoes things. 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:11.120 And so, you know, um, yeah, it's there's a prophecy in Malachi that before the Messiah comes, Elijah would come to sort of prepare the people to prepare the way. 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:11.360 Right. 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:14.559 And Jesus is saying, a lot of everyone was wondering that, is this what this guy is? 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.559 And and John the Baptist said, like, I'm here to prepare the way for one who is greater. 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.200 Like Jesus is basically going, Yes, you are correct. 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:23.840 Yeah, it's such an interesting that was John. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:24.080 Right. 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.159 That was John, which means I am the Messiah. 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:26.559 Yeah. 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:35.679 And to respond to you know, when like a question's asked, and even if it's not the question asker, there's kind of like doubt in the mind kind of springs up all around the crowd. 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:36.000 Right. 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:41.600 And so John's disciples come to Jesus and ask, like, are you the Messiah or should we be waiting for someone else? 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.879 And he gives the clarifying Elijah thing. 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:49.519 And so it's like it's almost like he's responding to, yes, the followers of John, but anyone else that's listening. 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:50.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.080 His own followers would have been there for that as well. 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:52.639 That's cool. 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:53.360 It is really cool. 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:53.919 It is really cool. 00:11:54.879 --> 00:12:01.519 Anything about Elijah, like the actual prophet that is special compared to another prophet? 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.159 Like why is Elijah the one Malachi picks out? 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:08.159 Aaron Powell Well, I mean, Elijah's obviously one of the more famous prophets. 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:14.480 Um the thing about Elijah that's so interesting is that in his story in the Old Testament, he doesn't technically die. 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:16.799 He's swept away. 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:22.960 Uh well, that's so there's there's two characters in the Old Testament that depending on how you read it, you could say didn't die. 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:24.879 One is uh Enoch. 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.039 Enoch, and that's the more God just took him. 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:27.200 Right. 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:28.000 Like he walked with God. 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:30.000 There's his chariots of fire is Elijah, right? 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.320 Elijah gets the the angel Uber. 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:32.480 Yeah. 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.559 Like the red carpet's rolled out. 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:36.559 That's a crazy story. 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:47.120 Um, and so like, because Elisha or or Elisha, depending on how you pronounce it, uh the prophet that was the protege of Elijah goes with him that day. 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:54.159 And basically Elijah tells him, you know, if you see me leave, then God will give you a double portion of my spirit. 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:54.480 Right. 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.480 And that's another interesting parallel. 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.960 Like, Elisha gets a double portion of Elijah's spirit. 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.720 Not of Elijah himself, but it's like the same spirit that Elijah carried. 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:14.559 And Elijah was just known as um extremely bold, I mean, challenged kings, you know, that kind of thing, which is a something that prophets do pretty often in the Old Testament. 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:18.080 Is it Elijah that goes to the Gentiles? 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.799 Remember, Jesus brings up, or is that Elisha? 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:21.840 I get them confused. 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.879 Well, Elisha went, he healed uh the Gentile of leprosy. 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.799 That's always like, where did he go first? 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:29.919 And then he heals Naaman. 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:31.039 Yeah, Naaman is Elijah. 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:31.759 Okay. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 Elijah's big I mean Elijah's biggest story is his battle with Ahab and Jezebel. 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:36.559 Gotcha. 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:47.360 And they're worshiping Baal and all the Baal worshippers on the mountain, and they have the sacrifice, and Elijah's like, they're all doing their, they're cutting themselves and screaming, because that's pagan worship, right? 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.679 Like soaks the altar down. 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.320 He's telling them, hey, maybe you're maybe your God's asleep or using the bathroom. 00:13:54.639 --> 00:14:00.720 So, you know, that's kind of the Elijah, and he he said that it wouldn't rain for three years or something crazy like that. 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:06.960 Um but yeah, so because I think he didn't die, he like just rides off into a chariot. 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.159 I I don't know how that works. 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.320 Well, there's like a continuation, maybe. 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:17.759 And then the Malachi ends with that to be continued, and Jesus is saying, Hey, this is getting wrapped up. 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:19.840 Yeah, it's getting so he served that purpose. 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:27.440 And that's that's Jesus just uh, I think, in many ways, affirming that he is the Messiah and that John the Baptist, what yeah, hey, you guys, your suspicions are correct. 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:30.159 And remember, there hasn't been a prophet in Israel for 400 years. 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:30.480 Right. 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:34.399 So Malachi, you know, leaves it on that and they're all just kind of waiting for that. 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:34.879 So yeah. 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.200 So there's that, and then there's the other part you mentioned, the whole thing. 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:39.679 He is the least in the kingdom of the Bible. 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.080 Yeah, he says, no, no one has ever shined brighter than John. 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:54.720 Like John, if you want to make a list, Jesus is basically saying if you want to make a list of all those who have followed God has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist, yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:55.440 Yeah. 00:14:55.759 --> 00:15:00.799 Well, it's sort of like and this is where it's it's a I've heard a lot of different explanations of this. 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:05.600 Um have actually taken that and said, Oh, is John the Baptist not included in the kingdom of heaven? 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:06.480 You know what I mean? 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.840 Like is he is he did he not did he miss the cut? 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.080 Like maybe he got almost there, but I don't think that's the case at all. 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:12.320 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:20.720 is it a connection to the Sermon on the Mount, like saying, like just like this, the least of the least is the greatest. 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:36.159 Because if there's this Pharisee, you know, culture where it's like, well, okay, John is another version of a religious figure that's like, oh, he you know, has deprivation, he goes and eats locusts and honey, he's kind of crazy. 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:43.200 Like, am I supposed to be like that, or is it Jesus saying, like, hey, even the least of these in the kingdom of heaven, it could be is it one of those moments? 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:49.360 I mean, it could be because uh obviously with Jesus, there's so many times that he says things, we're like, well, operating on a couple levels. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.919 Yes, there's there's some layers to of depth. 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:57.039 I mean, one way to read it too is to recognize that here this is so cool to think about. 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:05.600 Take like John the Baptist, Elijah, Moses, Elisha, Ezekiel, you take all these great Jeremiah, these great prophets from the Old Testament. 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.440 Like those guys would all be considered prophets. 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.080 Um, David, you could call a prophet as well. 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:23.440 And to realize like how much they knew of God, like how intimate they were with God and how close they were with God, and yet none of them actually got the Holy Spirit like we do, right? 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:29.440 In the sense that um like all of us as believers have the Spirit inside of us. 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:36.000 None of them got to see the cross, none of them got to you could actually make the argument that we know a side of God that none of them even got to know. 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:37.360 We've gotten the full picture. 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:54.399 Yes, that even those guys, you know, and John, you kind of get this from John, like, hey John, you're you're the greatest that's gone before you, but even you've sort of failed to see that these are really the signs of the Messiah, not just I'm starting a fight with Rome or with the religious leaders. 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:55.039 You know what I mean? 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:11.359 So basically what I've heard some people interpret that to mean is that even the most basic Jesus follower, if they've really given their lives to Jesus, knows that they know that Jesus Christ died on the cross for their sins, they're totally forgiven, that their he that eternity is secured. 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.319 John the Baptist didn't get to see that. 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:14.559 Right. 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:15.680 He didn't get that blessing. 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.640 He didn't Moses never experienced the Holy Spirit in the way that we do. 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:18.880 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.559 Not in the way we do, or grace or mercy, or the knowledge that I am totally. 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:24.000 Yeah, it's not true. 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:24.240 Yeah. 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:29.680 Even the greatest, even David, you know, I mean, I'm never gonna say, well, I think I'm a better Christian than David was a follower of God or whatever. 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:36.000 I mean, David has his flaws and but his my low points maybe haven't been as low as David's as far as the way the world would view him. 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:36.240 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.799 You've contributed less to the Bible than they're not much. 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:40.559 But my high points have not been nearly as high. 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.799 So the average is definitely But no, like David didn't know the mercy of God like we know it. 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:50.640 He did not live life with the assuredness of salvation and forgiveness. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:52.480 That's why you have uh scriptures like Job 14. 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:54.319 I always use it when I do funerals. 00:17:54.480 --> 00:18:00.799 You know, Job 14, 14, Job, the godliest man on the earth, says, like, if only I could know whether or not there was life after death. 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:13.599 So, in a way, we actually have a we have a more full revelation of God, we have a clearer picture of God because of us being on this side of Jesus than even John the Baptist, Moses. 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:29.759 Like, we can hang out with them and and we could actually blow Moses' mind if we could sit with the human Moses and be like, dude, but here let me tell you how it's actually going to go down, and the Messiah is gonna come, and you know, because Moses said there will be another like me, but Moses didn't really know what that meant. 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:34.400 The fullness, that's why everyone's so confused about who Jesus is, including John the Baptist. 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:52.000 And that's where it's like because they're all sort of taking prophecies, and I think it might mean this, and they're coming to certain conclusions, but we actually get to know what that means, and we know that he is this suffering savior and he died for me, and I don't have to live a life sacrificing daily to get God, get on God's good side. 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:52.880 Like, I don't have to do that. 00:18:52.960 --> 00:19:00.240 That is a gift that we have that even the least of us in the kingdom have a blessing greater than John or any of the others ever had. 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:09.440 That's which is what's so interesting about the book of Acts and all the letters is like they're processing the the follow-up to all of that to say, like, hey, none of us understood it. 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:10.799 Now we see it clearly. 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:12.640 What do we do in light of seeing it clearly? 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:13.039 Right. 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:19.200 And so John died, unfortunately, before that clarity arrived, and the cross arrived and the resurrection. 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:26.319 John never probably saw Jesus as the one who like he takes my sins away. 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:26.720 Right. 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:28.000 Like he Jesus did. 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:28.559 Yeah, right. 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:29.440 But you know what I'm saying? 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:40.559 It's not like we see Jesus through the cross, and that is one of the foremost, it has to be one of the foremost pictures that we have in our minds of Jesus as the one who paid the price for my sin. 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:41.039 Right. 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.519 But the others never they never had that. 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:52.799 And so in a way you can say, like, man, we even though we don't rank as high in the hierarchy of like John's the high best of the best. 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:54.240 But he's still the least. 00:19:54.559 --> 00:20:06.319 But in the kingdom, like even us just r regular Jesus followers have a we have experienced a revelation of God that is greater than even the best revelation John got, which is really cool to think about. 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:18.720 This might crack open what might need to be another conversation, but does obviously theologically the cross goes forward into eternity in terms of its impact. 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:20.480 Does it go backwards into eternity? 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.599 Like, yeah, that's typically the way it's like is John cool? 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.960 Like he might not have fully recognized it. 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:39.680 I guess as a Christian now, there's so much invested in the recognition of my sin and the re receiving the forgiveness that it's like if he didn't recognize that in the same way, the cross goes backwards. 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:40.240 It does. 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:41.200 Yeah, for sure. 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.720 And obviously, yes, that would be a different that's a whole different conversation. 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:45.200 Right. 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.799 Um but yeah, no, that there is a retroactive aspect to the cross. 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:54.720 And so, yeah, I mean John is isn't having any challenge saying John is under the grace of God. 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:59.440 But he never got to like he never got to experience it. 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:04.880 It'd almost be like, and this is gonna sound kind of morbid, but like I'm okay, so I'm I'm basketball again, crap. 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:11.599 Uh you know, I'm 40 now, and I have I've had these like I've talked to you about it a little bit. 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:16.480 I've had a few little like midlife crises, I'm gonna die one day, the realization of that. 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:18.799 Hey, listen, I'm working on it, okay, and I'm making progress. 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:22.720 And I'm very at least open about what I'm walking through and processing. 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:34.880 Um But you know, I've had these moments where I've I've thought, like, what if I die and I don't get to see like I've spent all this time with Liam working on basketball and and I've gotten to see some really cool moments. 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:38.480 But like if I died today, I have no doubt I wouldn't get to see the best moments. 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:39.839 The best are still yet to come. 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:42.400 I believe fully that they're they're gonna happen. 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:46.240 And if something happened to me, I'm still like a part of all that, right? 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:46.640 Right. 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:52.799 But I just personally be like, oh man, like I didn't get to see, I didn't get to see the the big game, his senior year when he won. 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:53.440 You know what I mean? 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:54.000 Because I'm not there. 00:21:54.079 --> 00:22:04.000 Well, it's kind of like that with the again, no analogy is perfect, but you know, Moses and Abraham, like Hebrews chapter 11 talks about how they looked forward to this, but they never got to see it like we have. 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:08.880 And so like they are absolutely in the hall of faith, so to speak, right? 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:23.119 They are c are included in the New Testament as pillars of our faith, but they just never got to experience what we get to see now and experience now, which is a personal relationship with Jesus, and really understanding the revelation of who God is in Jesus. 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:28.640 Like we know that that's God, and they were they just weren't even as certain. 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:37.039 So we actually have a you could actually make the argument that we have a clearer understanding of who God is than even the greatest prophets of the Old Testament. 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:38.240 Like both things can be true. 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:45.039 Their faithfulness can be true, while also their misconception about the reality of how or just their incomplete picture. 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:46.160 They just were early in the story. 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:51.359 Yeah, even with your analogy with Liam, like you can understand that the the greatest moments of his life are yet to come. 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.400 But your misconception of what the future may hold for him might be. 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:54.960 Totally true. 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:56.000 You know, whatever. 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.960 I might even not understand what direction the level to the level of what it's a year for. 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:01.359 That's good. 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.279 So yeah, so I think that's what it's communicating. 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.240 And and obviously didn't have time to go into all of that in the message, right? 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:11.599 Because we focused on this you know major aspect of what it's like to question Jesus, so to speak, and God. 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.599 But yeah, I think that's that stuff at the very least is very interesting to think about, read about. 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:16.000 Yeah. 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:16.799 So cool. 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:17.359 So there it is. 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:17.680 There it is. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.839 Matthew 11, the parts we didn't cover on Zen. 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:20.640 The deleted scenes. 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:20.799 Yeah. 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.920 Um, cutting down floor. 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:22.880 And I enjoy doing this. 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:25.279 This is fun, because it just there's so much we could talk about. 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:26.799 So yeah, thanks for listening. 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:27.279 All right. 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.640 Thanks for hanging out and talking about this. 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:29.599 Of course. 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:31.200 Because you kind of had to. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:32.319 I did. 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:33.440 But you seem to want to also. 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:34.000 Yeah, I did. 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:34.559 So we're good. 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:35.359 All right, very good. 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:36.079 Bye, everybody. 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:36.480 Bye.