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<v SPEAKER_00>Thanks for listening to the His Hands Church podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And thank you for being part of what God is doing at His Hands.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's pray.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's just pray real quick.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Oh, Jesus, thank you so much that you have given us complete victory.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Complete victory over sin, complete victory over anything that Satan has against us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We love you, Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We thank you so much because we we need that, we rely on that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We just pray that you would speak to our hearts this morning, that you would teach us directly from your Spirit, your word, into our hearts, Father.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we ask all this in your name, Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Well, I got a couple quick announcements before we jump into what we're gonna talk about.

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<v SPEAKER_00>A lot of things going on right now, a lot of exciting things.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's just an exciting time of the year right now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh we've got Tailgate Sunday coming up on November 3rd, Baptism Sunday coming up the week after that on November 10th.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Next week, we're actually gonna be starting something uh really cool, something kind of different.

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<v SPEAKER_00>God gave Ben Sykes, um, and Ben speaks from time to time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you've never met Ben, he's awesome.

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<v SPEAKER_00>God gave Ben Sykes this really cool sort of vision for the entire story of the Bible.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The entire story of the Bible in nine weeks.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But he gave it to him in this way that's really visual and really creative, and it just ties the whole thing together in a way that shows you that it was Jesus from the start, Jesus in the middle, Jesus at the end.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, and the first time he showed it to me, I just sat there like blown away and and excited, really excited about God and excited about getting into it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So we're gonna start that next week.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh and it's gonna be kind of cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're gonna have a visual element that we've never really done before.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So I really encourage you to be here next week.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then over the course of the eight weeks after that, we'll be going through the entire story of the Bible, leading right up into Christmas time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh it's it's gonna be great.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We'll kind of tag team that message.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean Steve and Ben got together uh this last week.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're actually gonna film something for it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, and then we just decided, you know what, Ben, you just need to do this you know live next week.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh and he's like, great, uh, this is no pressure or anything like that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh but seriously, Ben, it needs to be good.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um so I'm just because I just okay.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh but but me and Steve and Ben and Bill and just a bunch, we'll be kind of tag team that thing, but it's gonna be really exciting.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So I want you to to put that on your calendars for next week for sure, and then after that, um other things going on right now, we have uh Papa's Pantry is uh is a ministry that we help support.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, when we receive giving, we give 15% of every dollar given to us to three local charities.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's Papa's Pantry that helps with job placement and feeding people and budget counseling, all kinds of things to get people back on their feet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's the Cherokee Family Violence Center as well as the Hope Center.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We we give 5% each to those.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Papa's Pantry is in the midst of a food drive right now, and the Cub Scout group here at his hands is trying to raise uh some food for them to have for their food pantry.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So over the course of the next few weeks, if you want to bring in some canned goods or anything like that, you can bring them on Wednesday nights to groups and classes, you can bring them on Sunday mornings.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, they would really appreciate that, and that would help them out a lot.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um we're also having a sign-up this morning that I wanted just to mention briefly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's it's a tech team sign-up, and so if you're someone that is experienced with technology or just is really good at it, so you're 21 or under, um if you're that's you're probably really good at it if you are 21 or under.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But if you have skills, if you have you know experience in in you know technological fields, or even if you're just someone that's a quick learner and you want to learn more, we have needs all over the place for that, whether it's Sunday mornings running lights and sound in his kids or the junior high room or wherever.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh so there's gonna be a table outside in the lobby, it says tech team sign up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Tim Garber is gonna be out there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's a great guy that helps with that team.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so if you could just sign up and we'll give you some more information about some training and stuff like that, we'd really appreciate it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We would.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Can we pray again?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I know we've already prayed, but you can do it more than once.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Can we pray one more time?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, Daddy, we just want to come to you right now and ask that as you uh speak through your word over the next few minutes that you would uh you would teach us something.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I pray that every word that I say is just what you want to be said and nothing more.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um I pray that you would bless our days.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I pray that you would bless our marriages and our lives, and we ask all this again in your name, Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All right, well, growing up, one of my favorite stories in the Bible is the story of David and Goliath.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's a lot of people's favorite story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's a story that has really permeated our entire culture.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You don't have to have grown up in church to know the story of David and Goliath.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You could have no Bible experience, but if someone tells you that it's a David and Goliath situation, you know exactly what they mean.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Someone's an underdog, someone is almost a guaranteed victor.

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<v SPEAKER_00>When I was in the eighth grade, I found myself in a very literal David and Goliath situation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was one of the smallest boys in the eighth grade, and my school was seventh, eighth, and ninth graders.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the largest boy by far, the largest guy in the ninth grade wanted to fight me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And don't feel sorry for me, I got myself into the whole mess.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh being in eighth grade, I was insecure, and my my kind of compensation for that trying to be cool was just to be really mouthy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So I was this really mouthy eighth grade kid, and I mouthed off to this kid I had no business mouthing off to.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was hanging out with some friends, and and he and I kind of got into it, and I started mouthing off to him, and he said something to me like, You want to fight?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm terrified inside because I had never been in an actual fist fight before.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, I'd beaten up my little brother, but he was tiny and six years younger.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That was about it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That was my experience.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so he says something like, You want to fight?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And my response in front of my friends was like, Yeah, anytime.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Bring it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so the next the next few weeks of my life were probably two of the most stressful weeks I've ever endured.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because every day I'm going to school and everyone's talking about this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Everyone's saying, Oh, Justin and this guy, they're they're gonna fight.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, people are asking me about it, but rather than being humble and saying, you know what, I was just playing around, I need to go tell him I'm sorry or whatever, I'm saying things to my friends like, yeah, I'd like to see him try.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know, I want I want him to fight me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You guys are gonna have to hold me back.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, I'm just I'm saying things that are getting back to him and it's escalating and it's escalating.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He sees me in school in the hallways, and he glares at me, and I sort of looked up at him and glared as I went by.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It all came, it all came to a boiling point about two weeks later.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I show up at school one day, and everyone's saying that today is the day that he has told people that he is going to find me in the hallways and fight me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm I'm mortified.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm just gonna be honest, I'm terrified.

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<v SPEAKER_00>My only consolation, the only thing that is giving me any hope at all is I have two really good friends, two really good friends that promised they would have my back.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And, you know, I played on the basketball team, I was one of the smaller guys, so I was a point guard, so they were they were bigger than me, which wasn't hard to be in eighth grade, and so they were bigger than me, not as big as this guy, but hey, there's three of us, so that helps.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so they told me, they just straight up told me, Justin, if he comes at you today, we're there, it's gonna be three-on-one, we've got you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm like, okay.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so I tried to play it off and still be cool saying things like, you know, well, I probably won't need you guys, but you know, if he does anything cheap or anything like that, or bring some friends, you know, just just in case, just be there just in case.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So two hours later, it happens.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm walking in my hall, I've got my two friends with me, and this guy comes up to me and just shoves me, and the fight starts.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Except for some weird reason, my two friends completely forgot about their vow to have my back.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They had promised me, they had promised me they would be there, and they were nowhere to be found.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They just backed off and watched like everybody else.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And here I am in a very, very, I mean, literal David versus Goliath situation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>One-on-one, me, this small eighth-grade guy against this giant ninth grade boy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was David and Goliath, just with very different results.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Very different results.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know, they they have sayings that you hear growing up, and they're good sayings.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They're things that, you know, will make their way into Disney movies and encouraging, you know, songs and posters for inspiration.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And one of those sayings is the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that's a good saying.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not saying that's not true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I just learned that day that there should be an asterisk next to it, and we should add a few things that just clarify it for people, like the bigger they are, the harder it is to get them to fall.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I learned that that day.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This I definitely learned.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How about this one?

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<v SPEAKER_00>The bigger they are, the harder they hit.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because I just I just got beat up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, I I remember very specifically, I punched him and then he punched me, but his punch had a much different effect on me than mine did on him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so, in front of my friends, my two friends that promised to be there, in front of my girlfriend, which is cool, in front of a ton of other people, I just got beat up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I got beat up and I got suspended from school, and I got kicked off the basketball team because I'd been in a fight.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So it was a good day.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the truth is, I look back at that and I don't even get mad about the whole situation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I deserved it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I needed it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>God used another kid's fist to teach me a lesson about humility, and I needed to learn that lesson.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't blame that kid.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm the one that mouthed off to him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He didn't start anything with me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And even though I know it was my fault, even though I don't get mad at that kid, when I look back on that situation, I still get a little upset at my two friends.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because, you know, they promised me, they I mean, it was, it couldn't have been more clear, we will fight him with you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They said that, and then they just weren't there when I needed them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And had I known that at the beginning of that school day, I would have approached the day very differently.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Had I known, I mean, if someone told me, hey, look, Lee and Ian are, they say they're gonna help you, but they're not.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, I would have spent that whole day hanging out with some different people, trying to recruit some new friends, paying them, doing their home, endearing them to myself however I could, going to guys on the football team, on the wrestling team, saying, hey, I want to be your friend.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Just as a side note, there's this kid that you might need to fight today, but after that, we're good.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, I would have recruited new friends.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I definitely wouldn't have spent my extra time hanging out with the two of them, sitting with them at lunch and laughing with them and talking about the weekend as if you know nothing was gonna happen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If I had known in advance that they were gonna ditch me, I would have treated them very differently that day.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's kind of a weird thought.

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<v SPEAKER_00>As I say this, don't get mad at the people sitting next to you if you're friends or family with them, because they haven't done anything.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's just hypothetical.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But if you knew that a few hours from now, those people were gonna completely abandon you, how would you treat them for the next few hours?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Would you go out to eat lunch with them after church?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Would you sit around and watch football games and hang out and have fun with them?

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, you knew that a few hours from now they were gonna ditch you completely and leave you in a time of real trial, how would you treat them for the next few hours?

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<v SPEAKER_00>What would your attitude toward them be like?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Would you go buy them something nice?

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<v SPEAKER_00>What would you do?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's a hypothetical situation for us, but it was a very, a very literal, actual situation that Jesus found himself in in John chapter 13.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In John 13, it says that Jesus knew before the Passover celebration, Jesus knew that his hour had come to leave this world and return to his Father.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He knew that it was his time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He had talked about it explicitly with his disciples.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He had told them, the Son of Man is going to be handed over, he's gonna be killed, but on the third day he's going to rise.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus had told them multiple times, I'm going to die.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And they just couldn't fathom it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>His friends, his disciples, could not understand and grasp the concept of Jesus being killed, the Messiah being killed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, they had seen Jesus' power, they had seen him do miracles that only God could do, they'd seen him feed thousands of people, they had seen him rise, you know, people from the dead, they had seen him command storms.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How could this man be killed?

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<v SPEAKER_00>They had seen how smart Jesus was.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, time and time again, the Pharisees try to trip Jesus up, try to trap him and get him to incriminate himself.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And every time they do that, Jesus humiliates them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's so smart, he's so crafty.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's no way they're gonna be able to catch Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And even on top of those things, on top of his wisdom and his intelligence and his power, Jesus' popularity was in an all-time high.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He had just come into Jerusalem and the whole city is celebrating Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They're putting down palm branches, they're saying, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, they're anointing him practically as their Messiah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Jesus has the popularity, he has the power, he has the intelligence.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How in the world could they get Jesus?

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<v SPEAKER_00>But Jesus knew.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He knew what was going to happen to him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And not only did he know that he was going to die and he was going to the cross, but he knew that his friends and his followers were going to abandon him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He knew it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He told them that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And just like they had a really hard time grasping the idea of Jesus being killed, they had a harder time grasping the idea of them abandoning Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, these are the guys that have been with him through thick and thin from the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There were other followers that came along.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus would do a cool miracle, and a lot of people would start following him, and then he'd say something really controversial, and a lot of people would leave.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that happened a lot.

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<v SPEAKER_00>His followers kind of fluctuated.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But these guys, they were the ones that have been there from the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They were the ones that have left their families, their jobs, everything to follow Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They're the ones that have put their necks on the line, that have been in a terrible, you know, possible death situation multiple times.

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<v SPEAKER_00>These are the last people that you would expect to abandon Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But Jesus knows that's what's going to happen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He tells them that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They argue with him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, they argue with him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They all say, We would die before we would leave you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But he tells them, No, it's going to happen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You're going to abandon me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And they just can't believe it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So here we have Jesus with full knowledge of what's about to happen to him, with full knowledge that his best friends are going to abandon him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And this isn't even a figure of speech.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is literal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They're going to leave him for dead.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He knows that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But he's got a few hours left.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So how is he going to spend them?

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<v SPEAKER_00>A little bit later in John 13.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It says he loved his disciples during his ministry on earth, and now he loved them to the very end.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he loved his disciples.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He had put up with them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They had tested his patience.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But he doesn't say, That's it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Knowing that they're going to abandon me, I'm done with them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I've reached the end of my rope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No, it says he is going to love them to the very end.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was time for supper, and the devil had already prompted Judas, son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus knew that the Father had given him authority over everything, and that he had come from God and would return to God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Jesus knows what's going to happen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He decides to love his disciples to the end.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then there's just this little word in there that kind of tells us what they're doing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They have supper.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They sit down and have a meal together.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And can you imagine what it must be like to have a meal with your best friends, knowing full well that in two or three hours they're going to completely abandon you?

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<v SPEAKER_00>How awkward and strange of a situation that must be.

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<v SPEAKER_00>After everything I've done for you, but that's not what Jesus does.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This supper is special.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This isn't just another dinner.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is the night that he begins the tradition of the Lord's Supper that we take every single Sunday.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He has this incredibly meaningful, personal, intimate moment with him, and he gives them this beautiful new tradition that illustrates his love for us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So this is a supper that they're going to remember for the rest of their lives, that we're going to remember for forever, that all of Jesus' followers will always look back to.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He decides that in that knowledge, knowing what's going to happen, he's going to start that tradition then.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And what he does next completely shocks them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Completely shocks them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It says a little bit later on, it says, He got up from the table, took off his robe, wrapped a towel around his waist, and poured water into a basin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then he began to wash the disciples' feet, drying them off with the towel he had around him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Jesus washes the disciples' feet, and they are dismayed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They are completely caught off guard and shocked by this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And there's a few things we have to know about Jewish culture to understand why this is so shocking.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Jewish people had so many laws about ceremonial washings to be done before meals.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So many traditions that they did.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, the hand washing ceremony of the Jewish people was elaborate.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was like an etiquette class on steroids.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was it was a lot of steps, and they did it before every meal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They had all kinds of rituals and laws that had to do with washing, but foot washing was not one of them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There really weren't laws about how you had to wash feet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There was this one passage in Exodus about how the priests were supposed to wash their feet before serving in the temple, but that was really it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so there was a tradition in their culture of washing your feet when you entered someone's home, but it was just a practical tradition.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was like us taking our shoes off before walking on someone's carpet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was just to keep things from getting messy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And you gotta understand, this is a time when everyone's walking around with open-told sandals.

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<v SPEAKER_00>These are very crude sandals just made out of animal skins.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They're walking on dirt roads all day long.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So if it's raining, their feet are gonna be caked with mud.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If it's dry, their feet are gonna be caked with dust.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, their feet are just dirty.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so it was a tradition that if you had guests in your home, you provided them a basin of water to wash their own feet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And there were situations where if you had a guest of extreme honor, a guest that you were so honored to have in your presence that you would have their feet washed for them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That did happen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was a tradition that didn't even really come from the law, it predates it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's in Genesis.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Genesis 18 talks about Abraham getting this visit from God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's this really cool picture of the Trinity before we actually see that revealed through Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But it said, The Lord appeared again to Abraham near the oak grove belonging to Mamre.

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<v SPEAKER_00>One day, Abraham was sitting at the entrance to his tent during the hottest part of the day.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He looked up and noticed three men standing nearby.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And when he saw them, he ran to meet them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He welcomed them, bowing low to the ground.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he's giving them honor.

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<v SPEAKER_00>My Lord, he said, if it pleases you, stop here for a while, rest in the shade of this tree while water is brought to wash your feet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Abraham is in the presence of God, and he's gonna wash the feet of these men, but he's not gonna do it himself.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's just gross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's gonna either provide water for them to do it, or he's gonna have one of his servants do it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And there were situations in Jesus' day where someone would have a servant wash the feet of an honored guest, but it was always, always the lowest ranking servant in the household.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In fact, if a Jewish person had had a servant or a slave that was also Jewish, that person would never be asked to wash the feet of a guest.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That is how demeaning and lowly of a task this was.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So the lowest ranking non-Jewish slave or servant in the household would be the one to wash feet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And here we have the Son of God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We have Jesus Himself washing the feet of his friends, washing the feet of his disciples, and there's no dignity in this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, it's just him with the towel wrapped around him, going around, bowing low before them and washing their feet, and they can't believe it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I think it's easy for us to understand why.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And there's so much going on here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, we could spend months looking at this one story and analyzing it from all these different angles.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, the disciples have just had an argument recently that day about which one of them would be the greatest.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They did that a lot.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They always seem to nominate themselves and make really compelling arguments.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So Jesus doing this is kind of a slap in the face to that idea that they're the greatest.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's teaching them servant leadership.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We can look at it from that angle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's an amazing spiritual connection there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, Jesus is teaching us that we have to let him wash us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We cannot do it ourselves.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We have to let him cleanse us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we could focus on it for weeks just talking about that idea.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I want to look at it from a different angle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because to me, there's something so personal and intentional going on with the timing of this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The disciples have had countless arguments in the past about who's the greatest.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus could have used any of those moments to wash their feet and set this example.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They've had dinner hundreds of times.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't think Jesus had decided years ago, hey, at one point I'm gonna wash their feet, and then it became the last night.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's like, Oh, I forgot to do that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I better do it now because I'm gonna run out of time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I gotta do it now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't think that was why this happened.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think there was a very specific reason why Jesus picked this night.

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<v SPEAKER_00>To me, this whole action, you know, save for the spiritual significance, save for the whole teaching them an example of service, to me, it just screams forgiveness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, it just screams, I love you and I forgive you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And obviously I'm I'm inferring into Jesus' mindset here, but to me, I I read that and I look at that, I picture myself having Jesus washing my feet, the tears that would come into my eyes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm sure there were tears in his eyes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I can't imagine what Judas did because Jesus washed his feet too.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If Judas could even look Jesus in the eyes, and to me it just screams, I love you and I forgive you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Bible speaks volumes about God's forgiveness and God's love.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Ephesians 1 7 says, He is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his son and forgave our sins.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Romans 8 1 puts it this way it says, There is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, our forgiveness is so complete that there is no condemnation left.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And what we see time and time again when Jesus encounters sin, because he encounters sin a lot.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Sometimes it's sin in people's lives, sometimes it's sin against him, but when he encounters sin, his response is to forgive.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's what Jesus does.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, he does it with the woman caught in adultery, brought before him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He does it on the cross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He prays, God forgive them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They don't know what they're doing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that's to the people that put him on the cross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>When Jesus is sinned against, his response is forgiveness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And as we're talking about this this morning, you might be remembering things that people have done to you in the past.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Forgiveness is hard.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's really hard.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Forgiving something that's been done against us is a hard thing to do.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's a great message that Steve gave a little over a year ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's called Forgive Every Day, and we have a lot of extra copies of it in the source this morning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you want to grab one, it's on our podcast and our app and things like that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But it's a great message about forgiving things that have been done to you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He uses this uh illustration of arrows, and it's really memorable and really cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So I really recommend that you pick that up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you need some help, forgiving some things that have been done.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But this morning is really not about forgiving things that have been done to us, because what's really interesting to me about this moment of forgiveness that Jesus has with his friends, his disciples, knowing completely that they're about to leave him for dead at his most difficult hour, is that he's forgiving them on the other side of sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In other words, He's forgiving them before they've sinned.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Only Jesus, or sorry, only Judas rather has betrayed Jesus at this point.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Only Judas has planned evil against Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The other disciples really believe they're going to be there to the end.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They really believe they're going to stick with Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They're not intending anything.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They haven't sinned yet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But Jesus goes ahead and tells them in advance, hey, you're going to do this, and then he does this incredible thing for them the same night.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That Jesus forgives on the other side of sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so the question for us is: can we do the same?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Can we forgive on the other side of sin, just like Jesus did?

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's one thing to forgive sin when it's been done to you and someone comes and asks for forgiveness, but is it possible to forgive sin in our lives?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Sin that other people do against us, sin that maybe we even do to ourselves.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Is it possible for us to be like Jesus and forgive in advance?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I think it is.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I've experienced it in some pretty cool ways in my life, and I'll talk about that here in just a second.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But I got really excited this morning, as I was, well, this week rather, as I was planning this message, because I'm thinking about this whole concept of Jesus forgiving before the sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I look at the word forgive, and I'm like, it begins with four.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so many words that begin with four imply something that's going to be to be done, something that hasn't happened yet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So if you forbid your teenage daughter from dating, some of you have, not a bad idea.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you forbid your teenage daughter from dating, you know, you're saying that, hey, before you are able to date, I'm just saying, no, you can't do that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's a lot of other words that begin with four, so I got really excited.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm like, man, I didn't even think of that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm gonna look at the root words, I'm gonna look at the etymology of this word and see if it, if the original word in whatever language it started, it implies something that hasn't happened yet, because so many words, you know, foretell, foreshadow.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm like, oh, this is cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I look it up and it has nothing to do with that at all.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But the concept is still there.

00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.839
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus practiced preemptive forgiveness.

00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:09.680
<v SPEAKER_00>Usually when we do something preemptively, it's to save our skin, it's to minimize damage done to us.

00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:15.279
<v SPEAKER_00>In the sixth grade, I found out that Shannon Schaffner, my girlfriend, was going to break up with me the next day at school.

00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:16.880
<v SPEAKER_00>A lot of things happen to me in junior high.

00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:17.680
<v SPEAKER_00>It was a tough time.

00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:28.480
<v SPEAKER_00>And I was heartbroken because I really liked Shannon Schaffner, but I wasn't about to be dumped, so I dumped her first for no other reason than to not get embarrassed by being broken up with.

00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.319
<v SPEAKER_00>That was a preemptive action.

00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:32.640
<v SPEAKER_00>But it was for my benefit.

00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Preemptive forgiveness, that's just that's strange.

00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:41.519
<v SPEAKER_00>That it's so unusual, this concept of forgiving something before it's happened, that it's almost like we need a new word.

00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:43.680
<v SPEAKER_00>We need a word that goes along with it.

00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.000
<v SPEAKER_00>So we just need to make something up, which is okay from time to time.

00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:50.319
<v SPEAKER_00>And so I thought about for forgive, but that just looks weird.

00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.640
<v SPEAKER_00>It looks like a misspelled word.

00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:57.200
<v SPEAKER_00>And so Steve suggested that we use the word pre-forgive, and I think that works.

00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:58.240
<v SPEAKER_00>It's not actually a word.

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:02.799
<v SPEAKER_00>If you put it on a computer, it comes up as misspelled, but it looks like a real word.

00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:04.799
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, it looks like that could that could be a word.

00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:05.759
<v SPEAKER_00>So we're gonna go with that.

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:06.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Pre-forgiveness.

00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Is it possible for us to pre-forgive?

00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And I believe it is, and here's kind of this is kind of what I envision when I think about it.

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:19.680
<v SPEAKER_00>In order to pre-forgive someone, you have to A, accept the fact that they're going to sin against you.

00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:32.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Accept the fact that they're flawed, just like you are, and accept the fact that they're going to do something either intentionally or unintentionally that upsets you, harms you in some small way, or maybe even a large way.

00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:34.160
<v SPEAKER_00>You just have to accept it.

00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:38.400
<v SPEAKER_00>It's not about having a negative view of people, it's not about looking at people in a negative way.

00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:43.920
<v SPEAKER_00>It's not the opposite of 4-8 thinking, like we were talking about this last summer, but it's saying, hey, we're all flawed.

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.000
<v SPEAKER_00>This is an even playing field, and we're all gonna sin and we're all gonna be sinned against.

00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And on top of just accepting that fact, it's anticipating it happening.

00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:57.200
<v SPEAKER_00>You can anticipate things that people could do to you that would that would hurt you and upset you.

00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:02.000
<v SPEAKER_00>The closer you are to someone, the closer you are in your relationship to them, the easier that becomes.

00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.319
<v SPEAKER_00>So, parents, you can anticipate some things your children will probably do.

00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:09.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Or some things your kids might even do.

00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Because that's just what teenagers do from time to time.

00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:22.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And go ahead and decide now that, you know, when they talk back, when they don't appreciate what I've given them, I'm gonna forgive them now.

00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:24.640
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, kids, you can do the same thing with your parents.

00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.000
<v SPEAKER_00>If you don't have to wait for your parents to blow something out of proportion.

00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:32.000
<v SPEAKER_00>I know you know all it's like the teenage thing.

00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.680
<v SPEAKER_00>I work with teenagers, and I know you gets like my parents don't understand me, they don't know me, they blew this way out of portion.

00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:36.559
<v SPEAKER_00>That might have happened.

00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.160
<v SPEAKER_00>But that's parents get to do that.

00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.160
<v SPEAKER_00>They get to do that because it happened to us too when we were younger, so it's just part of the process.

00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:46.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And so you can forgive, you can forgive that stuff now.

00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.240
<v SPEAKER_00>You don't have to wait until it happens.

00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.559
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, kind of a silly example from my life is that Megan and I will get in arguments from time to time.

00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:57.440
<v SPEAKER_00>We're both pretty hard-headed people, and uh, and when we get in arguments, two things usually happen.

00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.200
<v SPEAKER_00>I say stupid things.

00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:09.920
<v SPEAKER_00>I just do, I don't think very quickly, and so my mouth moves faster than my brain, and in the middle of an argument, it's not like we're yelling at each other, I'm just trying to state my case, and I just say something that is it's just dumb.

00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.319
<v SPEAKER_00>And I know that, and Megan will will often roll her eyes when that happens.

00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:25.279
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, that's not that big of a deal, but for some reason, when she rolls her eyes, it gets under my skin in a way I just can't describe, and I get so upset and I act like it's the first time it's ever happened to me.

00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:31.119
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, she rolls her eyes, and I'm just like, I can't believe why did you do that?

00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:33.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Why why?

00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.680
<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, that's it's disrespectful, it's just rude.

00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:36.319
<v SPEAKER_00>Why would you do that?

00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:44.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And so our argument goes from what we were talking about to the rolling of the eyes, and and it just it becomes this big distraction, it becomes a fight in and of itself, and it's really unproductive.

00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:46.079
<v SPEAKER_00>But here's the truth.

00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:50.240
<v SPEAKER_00>She's probably gonna roll her eyes at me at some point in the next week to month.

00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:51.519
<v SPEAKER_00>It's gonna happen.

00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.839
<v SPEAKER_00>Now she does it less than she used to, or she waits till I turn around, one of the two, but I'm okay with it either way.

00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.920
<v SPEAKER_00>I'll take it, I'll take what I can get.

00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.160
<v SPEAKER_00>But it's going to happen.

00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.519
<v SPEAKER_00>So why would I wait, knowing that that's probably gonna happen and being able to anticipate it?

00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Why would I wait until the moment that it happens to begin the forgiveness process?

00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:12.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Why not start it now?

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.640
<v SPEAKER_00>Why not say, hey, I'm probably gonna say something dumb that really deserves an eye roll.

00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:25.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Um and she's gonna roll her eyes, and when she when that happens, I mean I'm still gonna get emotionally upset by it for a moment, but if I can decide now that it's going to happen and when it does, I forgive her.

00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.680
<v SPEAKER_00>And then when that happens, it's it's done.

00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:29.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's possible to do that.

00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.160
<v SPEAKER_00>It's easier than it sounds, I know, or harder than it sounds, whatever.

00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.519
<v SPEAKER_00>It's it's one of the two.

00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.680
<v SPEAKER_00>You pick one, it's either easier or harder.

00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:44.400
<v SPEAKER_00>Could be somewhere in the middle, but I'm not saying it's easy, but I am saying it's possible.

00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And I I've experienced it in my life.

00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.799
<v SPEAKER_00>I've experienced pre-forgiveness in a big, big way.

00:28:50.960 --> 00:29:03.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Um, I had an experience with my wife three years ago that just completely surprised me, uh, shocked me, and it showed her character and God's character to me in a way that I had never really experienced before.

00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:15.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Um, I'm okay talking about this just because it is what it is, but I had a 10-plus year-long addiction with pornography that started when I was probably in the fourth or fifth grade and intensified throughout my teenage years.

00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.720
<v SPEAKER_00>And I was a Christian, I loved Jesus, but I couldn't shake it.

00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.240
<v SPEAKER_00>I tried everything I could think of.

00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:24.319
<v SPEAKER_00>I read books, I had accountability groups, but I couldn't shake this addiction.

00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.640
<v SPEAKER_00>And it got at its worst in college.

00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:33.599
<v SPEAKER_00>And Megan and I had started dating in high school, and we had decided before we even dated, but but even decided when we started dating that we were gonna have a pure relationship.

00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.880
<v SPEAKER_00>We were gonna wait until we were married to have sex, and we did.

00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:42.480
<v SPEAKER_00>But even in this pure relationship and this desire for pure, I just could not get over this addiction.

00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:43.599
<v SPEAKER_00>And I tried.

00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.680
<v SPEAKER_00>I carried around all of the shame and all of this guilt.

00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:55.119
<v SPEAKER_00>I used words at the time like, I struggle with it, I battle with it, I have a hard time with it, but the truth is I was addicted to it.

00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.119
<v SPEAKER_00>And I don't really even have any shame.

00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:08.640
<v SPEAKER_00>It doesn't really feel that weird for me to talk about it right now because I look back at myself when it started, and I understand that, you know, the fourth grade Justin that got introduced to that was not equipped or ready to deal with that.

00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.440
<v SPEAKER_00>I didn't, I didn't have any idea what to do with it.

00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:18.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And even the junior high and high school Justin that was introduced to more of it was not equipped, didn't have the tools to battle it.

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And so Satan had the upper hand for a long, long time.

00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:32.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And I walked around with a tremendous amount of guilt and shame, and I was terrified about Megan finding out because she was so godly and awesome, and I wanted to marry her really badly.

00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:38.799
<v SPEAKER_00>And I just I feared that if she found out, you know, it would be over.

00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And so I hid it from her for a long, long time.

00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:51.599
<v SPEAKER_00>I did, and and in my mind, I was so unwise at the time, I was just young, and I had a just a messed up view of things, and I really believed that marriage would fix it.

00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:57.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Because I thought that my issue was, well, I can't have sex, but when I get married and I can have sex, that'll fix it.

00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.119
<v SPEAKER_00>That that temptation will go away.

00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And so I was shocked when it didn't.

00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:08.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Because I married the girl in my dreams, and I still dealt with that addiction for years to come.

00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.279
<v SPEAKER_00>And after several years into our relationship, let me back up.

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.720
<v SPEAKER_00>About a year into our marriage, um, it kind of came out.

00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:21.200
<v SPEAKER_00>Megan asked me about it, and I was honest, and I told her, yeah, I do struggle with this.

00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:29.279
<v SPEAKER_00>I wasn't at the point yet where I called it for what it was and just called it an addiction, but I told her I struggled with it, and the emotional toll that took on her was extreme.

00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:35.680
<v SPEAKER_00>And seeing her so emotionally upset and hurt, I mean, it devastated me.

00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:43.680
<v SPEAKER_00>And so that gave me this kind of boost in drive to not look at that stuff and not engage in that.

00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:45.279
<v SPEAKER_00>That got me through for a long time.

00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:52.960
<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, for several months, just seeing her as hurt as she was gave me the motivation that I needed to get past it, or at least I thought.

00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:54.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And I was so excited about that.

00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.960
<v SPEAKER_00>After going several months, I was like, oh, finally I'm free of this.

00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:01.359
<v SPEAKER_00>And I wanted to tell her because I just wanted her to know that I loved her and that I was moving on.

00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:02.559
<v SPEAKER_00>So I told her, hey, I'm done with this.

00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.880
<v SPEAKER_00>I just want you to know it's been so long.

00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:06.880
<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, this isn't even a thought for me anymore.

00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And she was excited to hear that.

00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:11.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Then it came back.

00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.359
<v SPEAKER_00>And then it got worse.

00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:19.359
<v SPEAKER_00>And then it got to the point where it was just as bad as it had ever been, if not worse, and I just didn't have the courage to tell her.

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:24.799
<v SPEAKER_00>I would say I didn't have the heart to tell her, but it really wasn't me worried about her, it was me worried about the result of myself.

00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.880
<v SPEAKER_00>So I didn't have the courage to tell her.

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:33.680
<v SPEAKER_00>And there were so many times over the course of those three or four years where she would even bring it up and say, I'm just so proud of you for getting past that.

00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:37.440
<v SPEAKER_00>And I would just kind of shake my head, nod, yeah.

00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.640
<v SPEAKER_00>But on the inside, I was just full of shame and guilt.

00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.720
<v SPEAKER_00>So a little over three years ago, I started going to counseling about it.

00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:50.480
<v SPEAKER_00>And my counselor was just honest with me and told me that you cannot beat this if you keep it in the dark.

00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.240
<v SPEAKER_00>You can't beat it in secret because Satan lives in secret, Satan thrives in the dark.

00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.720
<v SPEAKER_00>So if you want this beaten, you've got to bring it into the light.

00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:58.240
<v SPEAKER_00>So I had to tell Megan.

00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.359
<v SPEAKER_00>That was my homework.

00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.680
<v SPEAKER_00>That was terrible homework, by the way.

00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And I did.

00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh, and her response floored me, and she was hurt.

00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:13.759
<v SPEAKER_00>She was very hurt, and and she was more hurt by the secrecy of it than by the action itself.

00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:22.720
<v SPEAKER_00>But she told me, as we started to work on that, as we started to go through that in counseling, she told me that she forgave me.

00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:29.119
<v SPEAKER_00>And then if it happened again, she wanted me to tell her that she forgave me.

00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.519
<v SPEAKER_00>She was forgiving me for faults that hadn't happened yet.

00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:41.200
<v SPEAKER_00>She just said, I know addiction is hard, and I've never experienced an addiction, but I know addiction's hard.

00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.759
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not gonna pretend like it's never gonna happen again.

00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.920
<v SPEAKER_00>I know it probably will, and when it does, I want you to know that I forgive you.

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.000
<v SPEAKER_00>But please tell me, because I don't want this to be something that's secret.

00:33:53.359 --> 00:34:06.240
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, for years I had been so afraid of her response, and I had I had, I mean, I played this scenario in my mind over and over again about her finding out or me telling her, and and every time I played through that, it just ended really badly.

00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.760
<v SPEAKER_00>With her leaving me or or, you know, who knows what.

00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:22.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's funny because you would think that that fear, that fear of that happening, would be more motivation for me not to do it than the knowledge that I was already forgiven for it.

00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.000
<v SPEAKER_00>But it wasn't.

00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:30.400
<v SPEAKER_00>The fear of that happening to me was just motivation to hide it, it was motivation to keep it secret.

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:46.639
<v SPEAKER_00>The knowledge that I was forgiven ahead of time was so much more powerful in that in that addiction and that struggle than the fear and the guilt and the shame ever were.

00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And there were a few more slip-ups after that moment.

00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:55.760
<v SPEAKER_00>There were a few more times where I had to go to Megan and say, Hey, I did this.

00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:57.599
<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm really sorry.

00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.280
<v SPEAKER_00>And every time it hurt her, and every time she said, I forgive you.

00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:12.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm not gonna stand here and pretend like, oh, I I now I'm I don't ever battle with lust, I don't ever think in pure thoughts at all, but it's been over three years now since I've looked at pornography.

00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:24.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh, and really Jesus and Megan deserve the applause because I didn't do it.

00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:25.840
<v SPEAKER_00>I tried.

00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.039
<v SPEAKER_00>I tried for years, I tried everything I could think of.

00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:34.559
<v SPEAKER_00>I read every book, I joined accountability groups, I I mean, I tried tons of things.

00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.239
<v SPEAKER_00>And the only thing that that gave me freedom was forgiveness.

00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Forgiveness, it's it's freedom.

00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:55.280
<v SPEAKER_00>And I've realized that more and more in my life that with my wife, if I sin against her, I just tell her, and that's always it's always awkward and weird, but her saying, I forgive you, is the only real freedom I get.

00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:00.880
<v SPEAKER_00>If I try to earn it back in my mind and say, well, if I can just do this or this and this, and then maybe this will be less of a blow, that doesn't work.

00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Real freedom only comes through forgiveness.

00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.679
<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus gives us complete forgiveness.

00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:10.320
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's before we ever sin.

00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:17.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And we may not accept his forgiveness until a certain point in our life.

00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:18.960
<v SPEAKER_00>We may not even even acknowledge it.

00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:25.280
<v SPEAKER_00>We may not thank him for it, but but we have it now, we have it before we sin.

00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:26.480
<v SPEAKER_00>We had it before we were ever born.

00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Here's kind of a way to think about that.

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:32.320
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, I think about my sin, of which there is plenty.

00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Well, the only hope I have for my sin is the cross.

00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.519
<v SPEAKER_00>That's the only hope.

00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:46.800
<v SPEAKER_00>I long gave up on my ability to stand in front of God one day and say, hey, let me in, because check out what I did.

00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.599
<v SPEAKER_00>My only hope is the cross.

00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:50.000
<v SPEAKER_00>That's it.

00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.000
<v SPEAKER_00>That's the only hope that I have.

00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.760
<v SPEAKER_00>So where did the cross occur in relation to my sin?

00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:00.639
<v SPEAKER_00>I know that God is outside of time, and there's some really cool concepts about that, but I'm not outside of time.

00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.599
<v SPEAKER_00>So, where did where did my sin and the cross occur in relation to the other?

00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.440
<v SPEAKER_00>The cross came first.

00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:13.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Before I breathed, Jesus had forgiven me on the cross.

00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Before I sinned, Jesus had forgiven me completely.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's that complete and total forgiveness that is the only hope that I have for freedom.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's the only hope that any of us have.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And just as a quick aside, I know it's awkward and weird to talk about, you know, pornography, that it's like the addiction that no one ever talks about.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so many people struggle with it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We can talk about drug addictions and alcohol addictions, and those are easier to talk about in public.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, but if you're a guy, or or girl, I guess there are people that struggle with it that way too, but but if you're stuck in that addiction and you feel like there's no hope, I just want to tell you, you're not alone, first of all, not even close.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There is hope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There are tools out there that can help you immensely.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if if you want some help in that, take it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know, come talk to me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not gonna counsel you through the whole thing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um I'm not ready to do that, but I can point you in the direction and point you to some of the things that helped me start having victory and keep having victory in that struggle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But there are tools, there is hope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Do not keep it secret.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Do not try to try to battle Satan by yourself.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You're not designed to do it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus is.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he'll do it through you, he'll do it for you, but just accept that that forgiveness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The worship team wants to come back up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We're gonna do one more, one more song.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know, I joke sometimes with the youth group and tell the the kids in our youth group not to feel ashamed when they've come into a relationship with Jesus and they still have sin in their life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the joke I usually use is is, and it's not to make light of sin, it's just to take some of the guilt and shame that they naturally feel away, is that I got saved at 10, and my sins up to 10 were pretty minor compared to some of the things that I've dealt with since.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so at some point, all of us have to just accept that we're not earners.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That Jesus never, ever expected us to earn his love, that our only hope is to accept it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The only hope of the disciples ever getting over the guilt that they had to feel for abandoning Jesus in his darkest hour, the only thing that could have gotten them over that guilt and shame, and apparently they did get over it, was knowledge of the forgiveness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that forgiveness came before it even happened.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So don't hold yourself or your spouse or your kids or your coworkers to a higher standard than God holds you to.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And give yourself and give your family and your friends the same slack that God gives us, the same patience, but even more importantly, accept the challenge that Jesus kind of laid out and say, I'm not gonna wait until sin is done against me to forgive.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm gonna forgive now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>My wife, my children, my friends, they're going to do things that upset me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm going to get sinned against, but I'm not gonna wait till then to deal with it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm gonna say, hey, it's gonna happen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I love that person.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus forgave me before I even breathed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I can forgive this person.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's human nature to think about the things that might happen to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's just what we do.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We kind of self-protect.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And when your mind goes to those places, decide in that moment, whatever you're envisioning happening to you, decide if that happens, I will forgive.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because none of us can imagine something happening to us worse than what Jesus went through.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he took the last hours he had of life to forgive.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Before anyone asked him for it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No one said they were sorry.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No one came to him and begged.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No one even knew they needed it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But he gave it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So let's all take a you know a page out of Jesus' book, which is called the Bible, and practice a made-up word called pre-forgiveness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Let's pray.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Daddy, thank you so much for your love.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Thank you so much for the cross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I want to thank you for my wife right now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the fact that if it wasn't for uh for grace, if it wasn't for forgiveness, I'd have no hope.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I'd still just be stuck and ashamed and guilty.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so, Jesus, I pray that you would free all of us from shame.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You would free all of us from guilt, and you would bring to our hearts and our minds the knowledge that we are forgiven now.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That we were forgiven before we asked for it, we were forgiven before we breathed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All we have to do is acknowledge it and accept what's already there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus, give us the courage to do the same thing in our relationships.

00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:57.679
<v SPEAKER_00>Give us the courage to do the same thing in our marriages, in our relationships with our kids, with our co workers, our friends, everything.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Daddy, we love you so much.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Thank you for freeing us.
