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<v SPEAKER_00>Hi, my name is James Rathman.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm Bruce Nickley.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And this is the Redemption Church Denver Podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We are continuing through 1 John.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's uh been a while since we've been here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Due to some sickness and travel, this uh got placed on the back burner a bit for me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh but we're back, and today we are going to cover 1 John chapter 2.

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<v SPEAKER_00>1 John 2 is covered in two lessons in the study guide that we're following for our Bible studies this year.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But we are going to cover those two lessons uh all at once just by covering all of chapter 2 of 1 John, which is a pretty long chapter but is uh wonderful and full of things that you probably recognized or were familiar with anyway, um, and now can locate them in 1 John 2.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Bruce, I'm so glad to be doing this again uh together.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I enjoyed last time so much, and it's uh such a joy to get together and talk through 1 John.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So uh what do you say we go ahead and jump in?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Great.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So 1 John chapter 2 is a long one, sections that we've broken it out into.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We'll talk about Christ our advocate, which is described in the first section.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Then John talks about the new commandment, and then there's something like a like a hymn uh takes like a like a poetic format where he describes that he is writing to little children, fathers, and young men.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Then the section that you're probably familiar with, uh the do not love the world, and then a warning concerning antichrists.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So we get to uh talk about antichrists, which I'm sure everyone's looking forward to.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Lots of talk about the Antichrist.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Lots of talk about the Antichrist these difficult days.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, that's right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Has that uh uh over the course of your life has that changed at all?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Has there been a time where people aren't talking about the Antichrist?

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<v SPEAKER_00>No.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Every world crisis you see um wa awakens this um fervor about the Antichrist is right around the door, and speculation about who it is and you know how can we identify him.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And we'll get to what the Antichrist is in this chapter, but um uh it's not what is so popularly held out there.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But we won't we won't be able to relieve any of the need to be talking about it.

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<v SPEAKER_03>No.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Absolutely not.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So let's go ahead and jump in on these first sections um of Christ our advocate.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um maybe I'll read a little bit to give a refresher in people's minds, and we can uh try and draw out some of the meaning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He begins with, My little children, I'm writing these things to you so that you may not sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So let's start there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So He's writing these things to us so that we may not sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There are two key words there that I think we want to draw out.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The first one is describes Jesus Christ as our advocate, and the second describes Jesus as our as the propitiation for our sins.

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<v SPEAKER_03>What's an advocate?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yes, great question.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You ever you ever had needed a lawyer?

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's kind of the thrust of his use of this word here.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And it's actually the same word that is applied to the Holy Spirit, who is our paraclete.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And we normally think of, well, the Holy Spirit is the one who comes alongside of us and comforts us and aids us.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Uh, but in this context, especially around sin, um he's acting kind of as our defense attorney.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And and he's saying, okay, I've we've we have a someone who has sinned here.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And the thrust of the Greek here, uh, when he says, I write to you so that you may not sin, but if anyone does sin, it has the thrust of, and you probably will.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>We have an advocate with the father, we have a paraclete, the one who's going to come alongside.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And the very first thing that he mentions in his defense of um the believer is his propitiation.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>He he brings that up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um so there's a there's kind of a courtroom image that we can develop here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Very much so.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So we're accused be when we find ourselves in sin, and as and we stand as the accused on trial, and then who shows up as our attorney?

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Lord Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The Lord Jesus shows up as a as our attorney.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's going he sits down and says, I'm going to advocate for you.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And that's pretty amazing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Then what evidence then does he bring to the table?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think that's what's the propitiation, if we continue in that metaphor.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Propitiation, we we encountered this word in Romans, uh, but it's an uncommon word.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What does that mean?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Well, um in the RSV version that I grew up on, it uses the word expiation instead of propitiation.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And I think that's cowardly.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Well, it's uh it's I think it's sprang out of a desire to protect something of the nature of God as being a god of wrath.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Because that's at the heart of the concept of propitiation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, they wanted to not have him be a god of wrath.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um J.I.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Packer in his wonderful book, Knowing God, um, in his chapter on the heart of the gospel, makes this distinction.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um what's the difference uh between expiation and propitiation?

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<v SPEAKER_03>The difference is that expiation only means half of what propitiation means.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Expiation is an action that has sin as its object.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It denotes the covering, putting away, or rubbing out of sin so that it no longer constitutes a barrier to friendly fellowship between man and God.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Propitiation, however, in the Bible denotes that all that expiation means and the pacifying of the wrath of God thereby.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's the concept that liberals wanted to get away from.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um God has no wrath, he's a God of love.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Isn't he?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>John even says that in this book.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So it so expiation describes the removal of sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Propion describes the removal of sin and the satisfaction of the wrath of God.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So that so then when it says that he is the propitiation for our sins, it means that he has taken our sin upon him to remove it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then we get a glimpse into what is the way that it's removed, the wrath of God is poured out on him.

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<v SPEAKER_03>On him at the cross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>On him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he receives the wrath of God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because what is the you know, the the what is the punishment for sin?

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's the wrath of God against it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's what it is.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I I uh heard uh RC one of R.

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<v SPEAKER_03>C.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um podcasts on the cross around Easter time, and he actually took the the view that um Jesus probably was almost unaware of the nails and the the beating that he took.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yep.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Because he was he was so focused on what his mission was to endure the wrath of God in our place that is far more horrific.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's what caused him to sweat great drops of blood in the garden.

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<v SPEAKER_00>My um one of my favorite sermons ever is uh Keller's sermon on the crucifixion.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he says, Notice what he doesn't cry out.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He doesn't cry out, my hands, my hands.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He doesn't cry out my feet, my feet, he doesn't cry out my head, my head.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He cries out, my God, my God.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because he's crying out at the point of his greatest pain and suffering.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that that transformed me when I learned that to see the because as you see the depth of his suffering on the cross, you're simultaneously seeing the depth of his love towards you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In receiving it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I I I think that's the strange movement of trying to guard the love of God by making the term merely expiation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's actually hiding the depth of the love of God towards you when you're unable to see the satisfaction of the wrath of God that Jesus bore on your behalf.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's absolutely true.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um Packer quotes um from John Murray's work on the atonement.

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<v SPEAKER_03>He says in this vein that the doctrine of propitiation is precisely this: that God loved the objects of his wrath so much that he gave his only son to the end that he by his blood should make provision for the removal of this wrath.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It was Christ's so to do to deal with the wrath, that the loved would no longer be the objects of wrath, and love would achieve its aim of making the children of wrath the children of God's good pleasure.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's better than you could imagine.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The gospel's often better than we would allow ourselves to think.

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<v SPEAKER_00>When our advocate shows up, so that as we see that Christ is our advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, he is the propitiation for our sins.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he shows up in the courtroom and he pleads on your behalf, and the evidence that he brings to the table is his sacrifice.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>His sacrifice.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is sufficient.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then the wrath of God is satisfied.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says for our s for our sins, not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Does this mean that there's a uh universal atonement?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Well, some would argue that.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But um we see this language, the kind of a universalistic um uh uh appeal to the propitiation of Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, for good reason, I think John speaks this way.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um again, John Murray years ago, I ran across um in his work on the atonement, um, three reasons for why John uses this kind of language.

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<v SPEAKER_03>One is that it's a propitiation um that is um there's a scope of the propitiation.

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<v SPEAKER_03>There is an ethnic universalism to um the cross and the application.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Jew and Greek.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Jew and Greek, Gentile to the nations.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um so that's a good reason for using the world um motif here.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Uh the second reason is the exclusiveness of the propitiation.

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<v SPEAKER_03>There is no other sacrifice for sins.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Where can you if it if it's if for all the world, who can you turn to?

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's only Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And uh remember all the Old Testament blood sacrifices were pointing to the one sacrifice that would take away sin.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And that was Jesus, um, the Lamb of God.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And then the third reason he offers is the perpetuity of the propitiation.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, it's effective throughout all the ages.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, it's just as effective today as it was when the apostles embraced um the gospel um after the resurrection.

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<v SPEAKER_03>So three good reasons.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, doesn't destroy the what the reform view of the extent of the atonement is, that he died for his sheep, and um he's just got sheep all over the world that he's going to be drawing to through the preaching of the gospel.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I think sometimes people will say I've heard people say there are forgiven people in heaven and there are forgiven people in hell.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Uh huh.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it's just the who received it or who accepted it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Something I've heard said riffing off of this thing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The concept of forgiven people in hell is uh is a uh like catastrophic.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's a that's a total contradiction.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes that's absurd.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>They wouldn't be there if they were forgiven.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And and likewise it's worth noting, like what is what what wrath would be reserved for them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If the wrath of God was satisfied towards all the people for whom he intended it to be satisfied for, right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Then there's no wrath being poured out on them in hell.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um not that there's not uh difficulty in grasping the effectiveness of the atonement or the particularity of the atonement.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There is difficulty in grasping that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um but the difficulties are not just on that side.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's far more strangeness uh to see uh uh that that Christ's atonement was uh uh given to all people and then uh ineffective.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>If John Murray makes a point um that you have to understand these three little words.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um when Paul is talking about um the cross, when he says Christ died for us, that literally means he stood in our place and took the wrath that we deserved and um died as the sacrifice for sins that was the perfect Lamb.

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<v SPEAKER_03>He had no sin to atone for himself, but he gave his life to atone for our sin.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Now, if he atoned for the sins of everyone in the world, then everyone's sin has been paid for.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And for God to require that payment again of someone in hell is the concept of double jeopardy, right?

00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.480
<v SPEAKER_03>That that we just you know revolt against.

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<v SPEAKER_03>God would not be just if their sins were paid for, and yet he required them to pay for their own sins.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Well, then he goes into uh this can this consistent theme throughout John, which is something like our our ability to know that we know.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's something that he's always referring to.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How do I I I think I know this about God?

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<v SPEAKER_00>How do I know I know it?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he jumps into this and he says, By this we know that we have come to know him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think I know Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>How do I know I know him?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so he gives us ways that we can know that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says, if we keep his commandments, whoever says I know him but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But whoever keeps his word in him, truly the love of God is perfected.

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<v SPEAKER_00>By this we may know that we are in him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So I sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There are I don't walk in his commandments often.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think I know Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But how do I can I know that I know him?

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<v SPEAKER_03>I think that's what he's really trying to get at here.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And when when we read about um keeping his commandments, um the way God even um established the old covenant, um there was the absolute requirement for perfect righteousness laid upon all the people.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And yet within the provisions of the temple rituals and so on, uh he made a provision for sin to be atoned for.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um so uh even though he requires a perfect obedience, and having this provision for sin, I think can help us understand that the kind of obedience that he requires of his people in the covenant relationship with him is purposeful obedience.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um no one can give him, only Jesus could give him perfect obedience.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But our striving to give him purposeful obedience, I think, is one of the strongest evidences that we know him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So we can look at our lives and see our purposeful obedience.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we can cite that as evidence that I know Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we should and we ought to.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that means that when we find ourselves in patterns of repeated sin, unrepentant unrepentant sin, sins that we're letting linger and not battling against, then we should not expect to have this sort of double level of knowledge that we know that we know him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We we can't have that.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We'll probably find ourselves in states of just perpetually vacillating.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And and lying about it.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, because that's that's what he says here is um the one who says I know him but is not does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It's easy to lie.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, self-deception is one of the easiest things for the natural man to do.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Just it's uh second nature to deny the truth about yourself.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and to think you're you're a pretty good person.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yep.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And yet you don't keep the commandments.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yep.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um and it's uh it's so amazing because it is the very law of God that shows us our sin and should drive us to look for a righteousness that is outside of us.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Because I can't give God the righteousness that he requires of me.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I can't do that.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, that's despair if I am on that treadmill, because I'll never know if it's enough.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I'll never know if it's in accord with his revealed will perfectly.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um and so it should drive us to look for a righteousness that is foreign to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Aaron Ross Powell And that's where he began this section.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's exactly right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Is showing us the righteousness that is alien to us but is imputed to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Shows us our need for it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And then uh so there's this there's this initial step that must be taken when we find ourselves in sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We have to turn to that righteousness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We have to turn to the righteousness of Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>As our repentance away from him from sin is that returning to Him.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yes, that's the fundamental meaning of repentance.

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<v SPEAKER_03>It's a change of mind, it's a turning away from sin and toward our Savior.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um we we I think when Luther starts his 95 thesis, that Um states the first one is our life should be a perpetual repentance.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's what he's talking about.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Repentance is a good thing when we're turning afresh to commune with Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Turning away from sin, yes, but turning to our Lord in fellowship and communion is at the heart of it as well.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I wanted to, because this is such a central theme in John, I wanted to touch on what the confession says about assurance of grace and salvation, because I feel like we're right in that range of can we have assurance of salvation?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Many people say that you can't.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it sometimes is worn as like a badge of honor that you yet you can't have like in if in the Eastern Orthodox tradition, it's it's like um uh claiming to have assurance of salvation is basically assurance that you don't.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And being perpetually torn is um uh evidence that you might.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But in um but the truth of scripture is that uh assurance of salvation is is ours to have.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's something that's given to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The confession says this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It says in chapter 18, although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God, and a state of salvation, which hope of theirs shall perish.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus and love him in sincerity, endeavoring to walk in all good conscience before him, may in this life be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace, and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, which hope shall never make them ashamed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So the what this what this paragraph says is Is there such a thing as false assurance?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes, there is such a thing as false assurance.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There are unregenerate, vain men who deceive themselves.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But just because there is such a thing as false assurance does not mean that there isn't such a thing as true assurance, that this that assurance of salvation is something truly available to the Christian, and it is given to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But it goes on, and this is an important distinction, I think, to make.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In section three of this it says, this infallible assurance doth not so belong to the essence of faith, but that a true believer may wait long and conflict with many difficulties before he be partaker of it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yet, being enabled by the Spirit to know the things which are freely given to him of God, he may, without extraordinary revelation, in the right use of ordinary means, attain thereunto.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So the distinction that's being made here is assurance of salvation and saving faith are not the same thing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They are not essentially the same thing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You can have saving faith and have long seasons, long stretches in which you don't have assurance of your salvation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But it is promised to us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the way that we can attain it is by ordinary means, ordinary means of grace.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We can attain it by repentance, we can attain it by receiving the word and sacrament, by uh uh keeping the Sabbath and honoring the Lord's day together, by being built up in the church body.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The ordinary means of grace, by reading the scriptures and trusting in them, are sufficient to provide us with assurance of salvation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Absolutely.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Seeking war against sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So it's an important distinction because you many people may be thinking, like, I haven't I don't think I have that, or I don't know if I've ever had that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not assured of my salvation, therefore I don't have salvation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's not the way to think about it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But you ought to pursue assurance of salvation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the threats to it, and what we see in 1 John here is if you are living in perpetual unrepentant sin and you're consciously hardening your heart to it, you can't expect to have assurance of salvation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's there's uh if you're in the midst of that and you feel unassured, that's you're you're right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You're right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's that feeling.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It doesn't mean that you're not saved.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh but it it does mean that you will not have assurance of salvation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You can't know that you know.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You may know him, but you won't be able to know that you know him.

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<v SPEAKER_03>That's that's attention.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, and especially, you know, in the normal Christian life, excuse me.

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<v SPEAKER_03>We battle with sin every day.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um the the battle between the desires of the spirit in Galatians 5 against the battle of or against the um desires of the flesh, it can it can affect our assurance.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um you know, you you go, I've walked with the Lord 50 years and still struggling.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I'm struggling with this.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Am I a real believer?

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<v SPEAKER_03>And then you go back to the promises, what he says, even in here in 1 John, that if we confess our sins, he's faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And you do that.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And and that's where you you let the um the scriptures encourage your heart.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, because the evil one will come all all day long and say, Oh, look, you did that again?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and you can say, Well, I did confess it, and he's cleansed me of it, and I'm done with it, so I'm not listening to these fiery darts that come from the evil one.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, and that that in itself, going through that process is something that gives us and strengthens our assurance.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, an unbeliever wouldn't want to do that.

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<v SPEAKER_03>No.

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<v SPEAKER_00>No, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I think you you'd said before we started recording the battle is uh part of the evidence of our salvation.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The battle against sin.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>I had a professor in seminary, Dr.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Burchette, who did 35, 40 years of counseling as a pastor, and he he one of the things he said, he says, you know, I'll I'll give more credit to the person who questions whether they really are a believer because of their wrestling with sin, over the person who is what he called cock sure.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Oh, I'm I'm good with God.

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<v SPEAKER_03>You know, we're, you know, if you don't see that struggle against the sins of the flesh, there's good reason to question.

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<v SPEAKER_03>For sure.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Bad news for Foghorn Leghorn.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Should we move into the new commandment?

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:21.359
<v SPEAKER_00>So he moved into the next section and he says, Beloved, I am writing to you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>The old commandment is the word that you have heard.

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<v SPEAKER_00>At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So is it a new commandment or an old commandment?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And maybe what's the commandment?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Well, the the old commandment is um Leviticus 19, where he says, love your neighbor as yourself.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And Jesus reiterates that um in laying down the two great commandments in the Gospels.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but in one sense is that new?

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<v SPEAKER_03>Because that's still binding on believers.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, love your neighbor as yourself.

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<v SPEAKER_03>But I think that's kind of the that's the Old Testament standard.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and when Christ came as the true light that's already shining, he kicks it up a notch for his people because of his life um being incarnate, living with his disciples um day by day, they saw what true light and true love and true grace is is really like.

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<v SPEAKER_03>They saw it embodied in Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_03>And when he speaks to them about um the command to love, he kicks it up quite a few notches when he says the new standard, the new commandment is love one another as I have loved you.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Um, including, you know, he laid down his life for us, John will say we ought to also lay down our lives for one another.

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<v SPEAKER_03>We should have that kind of standard for love in the body of Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Aaron Ross Powell So it is it's old because it's been there from the beginning, and it's new because it's fully realized in Christ.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Exactly.

00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:22.640
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's shown to us in Christ in a way that is like when we look back before Christ, it's like it was darkness.

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<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.359
<v SPEAKER_00>And now the light has shown.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's like the difference between uh a um bud and a flower.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Is there were you uh are they the same thing?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, in one sense they're the same thing.

00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:39.839
<v SPEAKER_00>But we have different words for them because we know that one when the flower shows up, something new has come.

00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:40.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:51.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And when you now that you see the you know rose in all of its glory, there's uh a light has dawned, a new thing has shown.

00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:56.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And we can't we can't go back to the admiration of the bud that we had before.

00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.279
<v SPEAKER_00>There's something more glorious here that we that we we see the bud was leading to.

00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.200
<v SPEAKER_00>But now that we've seen it, it we can't ignore the fullness of it.

00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:29.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Now that we've seen Christ lay his life down for us, that these promises have been fully realized, there's a a light that has dawned, and a a giving of his spirit to the church in a new way that we might participate in the the love the love that he calls us to in this commandment.

00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:29.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:48.319
<v SPEAKER_03>And he's he's poured that love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit that has been given to us, and and we are able, by his grace and strength, um, to have that quality of love that should be one of the most distinguishing marks of the local church.

00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:55.200
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, I'm so thankful for this church, James, to see how the people here really truly love one another.

00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:14.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes, it's a beautiful thing to behold, and it's the world needs to see that because um that's one of the things that Jesus said the world would be watching and actually be persuaded of that the Father has sent the Son into the world by how we love one another.

00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:15.200
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, for sure.

00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:16.400
<v SPEAKER_00>So for sure.

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, it is, it's so beautiful, it's such a beautiful thing to be a part of.

00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:26.240
<v SPEAKER_00>I I I think like we we forget how rare it is.

00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:27.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:42.480
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, that's one of the things that a lot of people who are who grew up in the church and who left the church uh blame the church for because it wasn't a place where they loved one another.

00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:51.599
<v SPEAKER_03>There's backbiting and gossip and slander and you know uh adulteries and all kinds of things going on, kind of like the Corinthian church.

00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:52.160
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:52.799
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.039
<v SPEAKER_03>But but uh can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:57.599
<v SPEAKER_03>No.

00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:05.200
<v SPEAKER_03>Um let me ask you, James, what does it mean to walk in the same way in which he walked?

00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.200
<v SPEAKER_00>Back up in verse six.

00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:07.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.159
<v SPEAKER_00>Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:23.599
<v SPEAKER_00>We uh I think it requires a familiarity with the person of Jesus, as he's shown to us in the Gospels.

00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:31.360
<v SPEAKER_00>Where we see it the the pattern of his relating ought to be the pattern in which we relate.

00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:40.559
<v SPEAKER_00>When we see his uh patience with the disciples, we ought to be patient with one another.

00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:50.320
<v SPEAKER_00>When we see him wash his disciples' feet in the service, uh taking up the place of service that he calls us to embody, we are uh encouraged to take up that place of service.

00:34:50.639 --> 00:35:08.719
<v SPEAKER_00>When we see him uh uh turning over the tables in the temple, arguing, uh humiliating the enemies of God and his enemies, we ought to argue and we ought to humiliate the enemies of God and his enemies.

00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.199
<v SPEAKER_00>We should be we should try and be like Jesus in uh the ways that he is.

00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.519
<v SPEAKER_00>We should be gentle with the woman at the well.

00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:23.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And we should be uh wise as serpents with the Pharisees.

00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:24.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:32.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, even going to the woman at the well, very gentle with her, but boy, he brought her real need out.

00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Um he he wasn't afraid to confront her with her sin.

00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:37.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.559
<v SPEAKER_03>And and that led to a transformation of her of her soul.

00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:44.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, it becomes her testimony.

00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:44.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:52.320
<v SPEAKER_00>I think it's one of the most amazing things about that story is when she runs back into the town, she says, Come and see the man who told me all I've ever done.

00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:53.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.360
<v SPEAKER_00>It's like the thing that we think would that's why we have to be like Jesus.

00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:02.320
<v SPEAKER_00>Because what we think people need to hear or ought to hear, we don't know.

00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:03.840
<v SPEAKER_00>We don't know at all.

00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.440
<v SPEAKER_00>We should try and think like, what how did Jesus handle these things?

00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:07.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:14.559
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, like what we would think she would need to hear is like, hey, you know, it's all good, everything's good, isn't it?

00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:14.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.119
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, disciples are running in, I'll give you some of the food that they get when they bring come back.

00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:25.119
<v SPEAKER_00>What she needed to hear is you've lived with five men, the men you're living the man you're living with now is not your husband.

00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:26.239
<v SPEAKER_04>Yep.

00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.159
<v SPEAKER_00>And that's what she needed to hear.

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:28.960
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:37.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh that's uh um uh it it's not it's not rare to find that.

00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.400
<v SPEAKER_00>Um it's not rare to have a friend in in a position like that.

00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:46.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Um and so we should act like Jesus towards those friends.

00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:47.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:48.800
<v SPEAKER_03>What would Jesus do?

00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:50.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, that's a good question.

00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:51.760
<v SPEAKER_03>It's the best one.

00:36:52.719 --> 00:37:00.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Um it uh it's not the totality of the Christian life um as liberalism would would have us believe.

00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:01.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:03.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Not just there for an example, right?

00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:05.440
<v SPEAKER_03>But he is an example.

00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:06.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:07.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.159
<v SPEAKER_03>That we're told to follow.

00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:20.800
<v SPEAKER_00>So the uh new commandment is possible because the light is shining, and that's in Christ.

00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:28.159
<v SPEAKER_00>And one of the tests of this is whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumming, for stumbling.

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:36.320
<v SPEAKER_00>But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:42.159
<v SPEAKER_00>So what's r uh how do you how do you walk in this new commandment?

00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.159
<v SPEAKER_00>You love your brother.

00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.679
<v SPEAKER_00>I think he's particularly referring to brother within the church.

00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:57.280
<v SPEAKER_00>This means the people in your church, which in one sense it's like it's such an argument from the lesser to the greater.

00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:07.440
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, if uh how could you know that you're walking in the fulfillment of the commandment of Christ, to love as I have loved you.

00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.519
<v SPEAKER_00>John says, Well, just look, do you love your brothers in the church?

00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Do you love your brothers and sisters in the church?

00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:22.239
<v SPEAKER_00>And if you do, then you can that that's evidence that you are fulfilling this great commandment.

00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:26.239
<v SPEAKER_00>If you if you don't, then you are in the darkness.

00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:32.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And you would you would almost think it would be a higher bar of like, well, are you loving your enemies?

00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.920
<v SPEAKER_00>But it's like a lower bar of evidence.

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:50.800
<v SPEAKER_00>And I think he goes to that lower bar of evidence because it is uh you know my my children fight constantly.

00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And they almost exclusively fight each other.

00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Who do you fight with more than your brothers and sisters?

00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.800
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, that's the this is the test.

00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:07.280
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.599
<v SPEAKER_00>That's where it that's where it takes place.

00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.199
<v SPEAKER_00>It's very easy to abst to to love an abstract enemy.

00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.280
<v SPEAKER_00>It's very hard to love your brother.

00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:15.760
<v unknown>Yeah.

00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:16.800
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:25.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Um later in 1 John 4, um verse 19 says, We love because he first loved us.

00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.519
<v SPEAKER_03>If anyone says, I love God and hates his brother, he's a liar.

00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:36.239
<v SPEAKER_03>For he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:42.000
<v SPEAKER_03>And this is the commandment we receive from him that he who loves God should love his brother also.

00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:44.480
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, there there's the real test.

00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:54.159
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, you can say you love God and that um that nobody sees, but what people are observing is how do you love the guy next to you?

00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:54.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.320
<v SPEAKER_03>How do you love your brother in the church that it just kind of grates you the wrong way?

00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:01.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, totally.

00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:05.440
<v SPEAKER_00>I've noticed that almost everyone in the church has a personality.

00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:06.239
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:07.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.599
<v SPEAKER_00>And some some are better than others.

00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:10.400
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.679
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, that's the way that's the way it is.

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:21.760
<v SPEAKER_00>And I think too all the abstract people that uh I can love so easily, almost none of them have personality.

00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.960
<v SPEAKER_00>None of them grate me in any sort of way, right or wrong.

00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:28.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's I can sit back and love them.

00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:29.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:38.320
<v SPEAKER_03>I I think this applies to not just the congregation of the local church, but your attitude toward other believers in other churches.

00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:38.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:46.719
<v SPEAKER_03>That that you might not agree with theologically, or you might even have a big debate with them.

00:40:47.280 --> 00:41:00.079
<v SPEAKER_03>And what grieves God, I think, more than anything, is to see, you know, those animosities grow because we aren't we don't believe the same things, say look about baptism.

00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:00.719
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:09.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and and because you're not pure as I am on your doctrine of baptism, you know, I'm gonna despise you.

00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.440
<v SPEAKER_03>That's well, that's supposed that's a form of hatred.

00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:12.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and and the Lord wants us to have no part of that.

00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.000
<v SPEAKER_03>And I I I learned that the hard way in in our Church and Evergreen boy.

00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:32.000
<v SPEAKER_03>It is so easy to be become arrogant with your doctrine, and you're well, that's what happened to us.

00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:39.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Um it it just created a what I would say just an ugliness about the body of Christ.

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.880
<v SPEAKER_03>That, you know, um, we can't do that.

00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:56.079
<v SPEAKER_03>That was a hard lesson to learn, but we need to love our brothers in other denominations, as long as they're true brothers, that you know, they're they're true believers, they hold to the essentials of the faith.

00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:57.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:58.800
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, it's so important.

00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:00.159
<v SPEAKER_00>It's so important.

00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.840
<v SPEAKER_00>I think part of that love is a willingness to be associated with.

00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:06.719
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:23.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, because you uh being a Christian, you will be associated with, you are associated with people who are representing you poorly or even just in ways that you don't want to be represented with.

00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:30.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And part of our part of like cultivating a mature heart is I'm those are my people.

00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:30.800
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.079
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm still I'm with them.

00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.159
<v SPEAKER_00>They're my brothers and sisters.

00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:39.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And they look silly and foolish, and that might make you think I'm silly and foolish, that's okay.

00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:40.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:40.800
<v SPEAKER_00>That's okay.

00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:42.800
<v SPEAKER_00>I love them, they're they're my people.

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:43.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:58.400
<v SPEAKER_00>That's um, there's such like a I feel like I can just see this across the generations of the church, of just like reactive generations towards the generation that came before as ways of just distancing ourselves from them.

00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:06.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Like it used to be the fundamentalists distanced themselves from the liberals uh by calling themselves fundamentalists.

00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:12.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And then we had to come up with a new word, evangelical, so that people would know that we're not fundamentalists.

00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:33.760
<v SPEAKER_00>And then we had to, you know, broaden to a um uh like a total expansion, you could think like a almost like a commercialization where there's like no distinction within the church, uh, so that we would know that we aren't even as like uh tight-fisted as the evangelicals.

00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:41.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And you see a swing back right now towards uh um just like a cacophony of purity spirals.

00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:53.280
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh they're very hard things to hold together, but the love of Christ requires us to um even even practice loyalty.

00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:53.920
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:43:54.159 --> 00:44:02.400
<v SPEAKER_00>I think that's uh I think that's un un Uh underappreciated.

00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Something I wish I had done more.

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:18.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Um and learned more was something like uh loyalty towards the particular people who had cultivated my faith.

00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:19.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:24.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Um I think debates on these secondary issues are important.

00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.760
<v SPEAKER_03>I agree.

00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:30.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Because our knowledge grows as we continue to talk about things.

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:40.880
<v SPEAKER_03>But um one of the questions that we've battled with in in our church in Evergreen was why hasn't God brought some unanimity on the doctrine of baptism?

00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:41.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:43.119
<v SPEAKER_03>For 500 years.

00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:43.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.039
<v SPEAKER_03>It's just not there.

00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah and and it's divided Christians, you know, for centuries.

00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:50.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh-huh.

00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.360
<v SPEAKER_03>And when you ask that question, I think there is an answer.

00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:01.760
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think it boils down to there's something more important than your view of baptism.

00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:09.199
<v SPEAKER_03>And that is the visible unity of the body of Christ and the love that is seen there, those two things.

00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:09.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:17.920
<v SPEAKER_03>That's that's more important, I think, even to God, than um than where we come down on baptism.

00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:25.440
<v SPEAKER_00>It will be it will be because Christ's prayer for our unity will be realized.

00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:26.320
<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.079
<v SPEAKER_00>It will be realized.

00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:41.440
<v SPEAKER_00>So so we know that these divisions that are within the church now, although necessary for a time, uh will be will be united.

00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:49.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Sort of like why did I think of it like um uh man, why did he rip out that chunk of Adam's side?

00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.719
<v SPEAKER_00>It seemed nice when Adam was one thing.

00:45:54.079 --> 00:46:04.159
<v SPEAKER_00>And the reason was so that he could uh make the two things one again that are more glorious and more fruitful.

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.760
<v SPEAKER_00>That's my hope of what the Lord is doing with his church.

00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:08.159
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.519
<v SPEAKER_00>I don't want to pray for that.

00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:10.239
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:11.519
<v SPEAKER_00>But we can practice it.

00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:11.760
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:16.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And the way that we can know that we're aiming towards that is you love your brothers and sisters in the church.

00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:16.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Absolutely.

00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:18.960
<v SPEAKER_00>You seek to mortify your hatred towards them.

00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:19.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:21.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Especially the ones you don't agree with.

00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:22.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, totally.

00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:23.679
<v SPEAKER_00>That's how you know.

00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:24.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:26.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Whether you're doing it or not.

00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.760
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm writing to you little children, because your sins are forgiven for his name's sake.

00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:35.039
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm writing to you fathers because you know him who is from the beginning.

00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.320
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm writing to you young men because you have overcome the evil one.

00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.199
<v SPEAKER_00>I write to you children because you know the father.

00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:44.639
<v SPEAKER_00>I write to you fathers because you know him who is from the beginning.

00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:50.719
<v SPEAKER_00>I write to you young men because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Why this hymn?

00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:06.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, in in a lot of the Jewish literature, you see one of the key ways for them to emphasize something was to repeat it.

00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:06.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh-huh.

00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:20.800
<v SPEAKER_03>And um this is a beautiful repetition that I think gets at the concept of growth in the Christian life, from little children to young men to fathers.

00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:21.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:29.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, that growth is not just something that you you should encourage, but it's required.

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:42.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, you know, there's a rebuke in in Hebrews 5 that he says by now you should be teachers, but you need someone again to teach you the the um fundamentals of the faith.

00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.119
<v SPEAKER_03>You need milk, not solid food.

00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:45.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:51.599
<v SPEAKER_03>So he was a little frustrated with that church that um they weren't moving along.

00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:59.679
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think one of the things we can draw from this is we need to constantly think about growing in our Christian faith.

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:07.599
<v SPEAKER_03>And as long as I've walked with the Lord, I I need to continue to challenge myself to grow.

00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:08.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:12.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, not think that I've arrived because I haven't.

00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:12.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, you know, I I am a father.

00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.840
<v SPEAKER_03>I went through the young man stage and the the baby stage um in the Christian life.

00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:22.480
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:26.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but boy, I'm I'm now a grandfather.

00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.400
<v SPEAKER_03>That's a whole new life.

00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:29.440
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, for sure.

00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Marty and I talk about how do we do this?

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.559
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:39.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh it's not the same as parenting, but uh boy, it's a challenge.

00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:40.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:45.199
<v SPEAKER_03>And how do I how do I engage my grandchildren in the things of God?

00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, new challenges, yeah, new ways to grow.

00:48:49.519 --> 00:49:08.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Um what what do you think a Christian life would look like that it didn't have an awareness of, or somebody who doesn't who who basically doesn't think that there is growth in the Christian life, or that there ought to be growth in the Christian life.

00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:15.280
<v SPEAKER_00>But it's just sort of you walk through the door, you pray the prayer, you accept Jesus, the end.

00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, that's not a good place to be.

00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:20.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Not a good place to be at all.

00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:27.679
<v SPEAKER_00>I I can imagine that it's well it'd be very it would of course be very thin.

00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:39.280
<v SPEAKER_00>And but I can also imagine I can't imagine having any assurance in that in that state.

00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:45.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Even so you can imagine that person, but you could also imagine a person with a sense of arrival.

00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.599
<v SPEAKER_00>That they have like arrived at the fullness of the Christian life, they need not grow anymore.

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:58.480
<v SPEAKER_00>And there's they basically know it and there's nothing else to learn or grow in, or they're they're basically sanctified and there's no more growth growth needed.

00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:15.199
<v SPEAKER_00>I feel like that's just like a recipe to get blindsided by sin or some catastrophe in your life, and that just leading to like a spiral of like, I thought I had made it, I thought I was done, I thought I had arrived.

00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:16.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:26.880
<v SPEAKER_00>But an expectation of growth and the the con the the expectation that we will more and more die into sin and live into righteousness throughout the whole of our lives.

00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I feel like there's an encouragement there.

00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:45.679
<v SPEAKER_00>That's like poor that's like uh one of the one of the uh ingredients of our perseverance is the the understanding that we will always be growing in the Christian life.

00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:46.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Yes in this life.

00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:47.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:50:48.079 --> 00:51:03.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Um I think we have a a modern doctrine uh in the last 75 years, I guess, um, that sprang out of uh what some would say is a faulty evangelism.

00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:03.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh-huh.

00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:12.079
<v SPEAKER_03>And um the faulty evangelism is you know, just come forth, make a profession of faith, and you're saved.

00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:12.960
<v SPEAKER_03>All right.

00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but then there's no follow-up, there's no real fruit.

00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.440
<v SPEAKER_03>I saw this in some of my uh youth ministry things.

00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:26.320
<v SPEAKER_03>You take kids off to camp and they make a profession of faith, but their life doesn't change at all.

00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:27.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, that's what made me start thinking.

00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Am I telling them the whole truth that they need to hear?

00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:45.599
<v SPEAKER_03>But the the doctrine that arose around that defect was the doctrine of the carnal Christian that says you can you can accept Jesus as Lord or as Savior, I should say.

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.599
<v SPEAKER_03>You can accept him as savior.

00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.800
<v SPEAKER_03>And the next step in your pilgrimage would be to accept him as Lord.

00:51:53.440 --> 00:52:04.159
<v SPEAKER_03>In other words, you don't you can you can have assurance of salvation by coming forth and saying the words, praying the prayer, um, but you don't really have to repent of your sin.

00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:04.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:10.400
<v SPEAKER_03>And that has devastated um the cause of the gospel.

00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:12.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, I think that's true.

00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:13.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Um I think that's true.

00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:23.360
<v SPEAKER_00>There's uh, yeah, well, it reminds me of the Great Commission, go therefore and evangelize converts of all nations.

00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:24.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Isn't that what it says?

00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, I think there's a little more to that.

00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:30.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Oh.

00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:33.280
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, make disciples.

00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:42.719
<v SPEAKER_03>That was uh Well, you know, and when he says in verse 14, I write to you, young men, because you're strong and the word of God abides in you.

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:52.000
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, if you if you don't have in some sense the word of God abiding in you, in other words, it's in your thoughts.

00:52:52.320 --> 00:53:00.320
<v SPEAKER_03>It's it's made its way to your heart for your motivations, and it's guiding your your choices.

00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:05.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Um that's that's a sure sign that you might still be in the darkness.

00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:06.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:10.320
<v SPEAKER_03>If you don't have that dynamic in your life.

00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:12.800
<v SPEAKER_00>What are ways to do that?

00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.679
<v SPEAKER_00>What's the practical way somebody can do that?

00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:42.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, in Ephesians 5, um, Paul exhorts the Ephesian church with these words, uh, don't get drunk with wine, for that's debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart, always and for everything giving thanks in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God the Father.

00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:43.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Look at how many practical things there are there.

00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:44.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, lots.

00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:52.800
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, that that's stimulating our fellowship and our communion in the body of Christ, in our worship and in our service.

00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:57.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, no matter what you do, do in the in the name of the Lord.

00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:11.599
<v SPEAKER_03>But in the parallel passage in Colossians, um, he says, Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, and sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your heart to God.

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:17.440
<v SPEAKER_03>And whatever you do in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord, Jesus giving thanks to God, the God the Father through him.

00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:24.079
<v SPEAKER_03>You see the the slight twist in what he is saying to the Colossians.

00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.280
<v SPEAKER_03>In Ephesians 5, he says, Be filled with the Spirit, and these things will follow.

00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.559
<v SPEAKER_03>And in Colossians, he says, Be filled with the word.

00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:33.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly.

00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.880
<v SPEAKER_03>And that's what he's saying in verse 14 of John, first John 2.

00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:40.480
<v SPEAKER_03>The word of God abides in you.

00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:41.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:45.039
<v SPEAKER_03>And so if that's the case, these things will follow.

00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:45.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:53.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but if you want to be filled with the Spirit of God, don't sit around and wait for some mystical experience.

00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:57.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Open your Bibles and start studying the Word of God.

00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:57.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Laying it up in your heart.

00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:02.320
<v SPEAKER_03>You brought up the Psalm 119 passage.

00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:02.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.239
<v SPEAKER_00>How can a young man keep his way pure by keeping it according to your word?

00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:06.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Your word I have treasured in my heart that I might not sin against you.

00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:10.559
<v SPEAKER_03>That's strength.

00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.000
<v SPEAKER_03>That's living in the light.

00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:12.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:21.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Um he goes on then to do not love the world or the things in the world.

00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.880
<v SPEAKER_00>If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:32.480
<v SPEAKER_00>For all that is in the world, the desires of the flesh, and the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:38.239
<v SPEAKER_00>And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:51.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, love is uh um love is a love is um love can be good.

00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh and love can be bad.

00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:01.119
<v SPEAKER_00>The the whether love is good or not is depends upon the objective of your love.

00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:02.400
<v SPEAKER_00>Like faith.

00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Faith can be effective for your salvation under eternal life.

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.679
<v SPEAKER_00>Or it can be useless and futile.

00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.320
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh it depends on what your faith is in.

00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:13.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Amen.

00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:15.119
<v SPEAKER_00>And love is the same way.

00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:30.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Love is so your um so if you love the world, well, I guess let's talk about what is the world, what does he mean by the world, and what does he mean by all that is in the world?

00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:33.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Desires of the flesh, desires of the eyes, pride of life.

00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:41.440
<v SPEAKER_03>I think part of what he's getting at is philosophically to start with.

00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.880
<v SPEAKER_03>There is a philosophy of the world.

00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:55.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, we're going, I just in my class, we've gone through the parable of the two houses and looking at that second house that's built on sand.

00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:58.639
<v SPEAKER_03>All the isms of the world.

00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:07.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Um starting with humanism and egotism and autonomism that express themselves in different ways in other isms.

00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:08.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, that's all worldly philosophy.

00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:11.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:19.440
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think uh when Paul warns the Colossians, don't let anyone deceive you by philosophy and empty deceit, that's what he has in mind.

00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:26.559
<v SPEAKER_03>Um there's a worldly philosophy that's completely against the Lord in rebellion to him.

00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:44.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, I I think there's if there if there's something that that like just really speaks to my heart that I feel yeah, that I just even feel pastorally, it's I in it that it takes like no effort to arouse my passions about.

00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:53.360
<v SPEAKER_00>It's a I I hate seeing Christians deceived by philosophy of this world.

00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:54.960
<v SPEAKER_00>I hate it.

00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:20.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And there's there's almost nothing that makes me feel more jealous positively, I think, for the name of God and for the people in our church than when I see the the the subtle uh philosophies of the world twisting people's affections away from the Lord uh is something that I hate.

00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:43.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh I think that it's it's may it maybe it's uh that sounds too generic, but I I it's it's w we the the world is we we can I so so as I say, the older I get, the more black and white I see.

00:58:45.840 --> 00:59:14.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And it just to sort of turn that phrase on its head, uh because I think that what's become so what's become so um in focus to me over the course of my ministry just the past ten years is uh the world and the scripture and the word of God are antithetical to one another.

00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.400
<v SPEAKER_00>They really are life and death.

00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And I think I used to think that they were close.

00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:25.679
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, that they that the these were like um near misses.

00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:33.119
<v SPEAKER_00>And the shape of life in the church, uh lots of other communities could be shaped that way.

00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And probably ought to be and probably would be if they were left alone or whatever.

00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:39.039
<v SPEAKER_00>I don't think that at all anymore.

00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.360
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I just it more and more it's like this is life and death.

00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:43.920
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.320
<v SPEAKER_00>Those are the two ways that are before us.

00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:55.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And especially just as you follow people's lives and you see subtle, you see little compromises lead to death that felt like nothing back then.

00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.360
<v SPEAKER_00>They're just subtle agreements with the world.

00:59:57.519 --> 00:59:59.679
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's like this leads to death.

01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:01.440
<v SPEAKER_00>This leads to death.

01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And I that I used to wonder if that were really the case.

01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:05.599
<v SPEAKER_00>I just wonder that less now.

01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:06.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.079
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm sure I make compromises all over the place in my own life with the world.

01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:11.119
<v SPEAKER_00>I know I do.

01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:19.440
<v SPEAKER_00>I know I do, but uh but um but they seem lethal now.

01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:28.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, I think John is uh very concerned about the same thing in terms of uh false Christs, antichrists, and deceivers.

01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:28.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:30.639
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, in his letter here.

01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:36.320
<v SPEAKER_03>He comes back to that theme quite often, as we'll see in the latter part of chapter two here.

01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:42.960
<v SPEAKER_03>But this the the second part of the worldliness, not philosoph, not just philosophically, but materialistically.

01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:43.519
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.599
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, the things in the world.

01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:58.800
<v SPEAKER_03>And um what's interesting to me is when he mentions the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and the pride of life, those are things that are in me.

01:00:59.039 --> 01:00:59.679
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:01.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Because you know what?

01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:02.480
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm still in the world.

01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:03.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.320
<v SPEAKER_03>I am a creature in this world.

01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:15.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Um regenerate, um, new creation in my soul, but my flesh is still that.

01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:16.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:17.280
<v SPEAKER_00>Man, it don't you know?

01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:21.920
<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, I just feel like I notice all the time, I'm attracted to things I should be repulsed by.

01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:22.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:24.880
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, I'm seduced by things I should hate.

01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:25.280
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:29.519
<v SPEAKER_00>I want to retrain my affections to be more like the spirit.

01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:29.760
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:38.880
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, be more informed by the spirit, so put to death those parts of my flesh, to to it be repulsed by things that I should be repulsed by.

01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:44.000
<v SPEAKER_03>And that's a there's another one of those signs of regeneration.

01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, the natural man doesn't think that way.

01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:47.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:54.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Um but to think I should be repulsed by that, and I am in the deepest part of my soul.

01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:54.559
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:55.440
<v SPEAKER_03>I hate this.

01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:58.639
<v SPEAKER_03>But I mean, Paul says the same thing in Romans 7.

01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.039
<v SPEAKER_03>I do the very things I hate.

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.480
<v SPEAKER_03>I I and I I struggle with this.

01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:05.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Yep.

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:11.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and I think that's the the normal growth and the normal experience in the Christian life.

01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:18.480
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, the m the longer you walk with the Lord, the more you see the corruption of your flesh.

01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:19.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Um and not not to the point of despair.

01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.800
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, Paul says, I'm perplexed, but I'm not driven to despair.

01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:30.559
<v SPEAKER_03>I'm perplexed why God has left us in that condition.

01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:31.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:34.559
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, to battle out sin against our flesh.

01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:39.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Because they're these are very much things that will be there till the day we die.

01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:51.199
<v SPEAKER_00>There is this sort of like filter, I think, that he puts at the end of this where he says the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

01:02:51.360 --> 01:03:02.480
<v SPEAKER_00>I can sort of think of how this is like a mechanism for identifying in your life the desires of the flesh, desires of the eyes, and the pride of life.

01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:18.880
<v SPEAKER_00>One way I think of those is you're on your deathbed, and which does this provide solace and comfort, or does this feel uh useless and and cause despair?

01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:19.360
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:30.400
<v SPEAKER_00>That's a helpful filter for identifying the things that are just the desires of the flesh, desires of the eyes, the boastful pride of life.

01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:31.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:31.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:43.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Um when he says here um whoever does the will of God abides forever, um what what is the will of God?

01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:45.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Your sanctification.

01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:47.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay, yeah.

01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:49.360
<v SPEAKER_03>That's that's a good Thessalonians.

01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:50.480
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:03:51.119 --> 01:04:02.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Um I I was thinking of a passage in John 6, uh-huh, where Jesus um um talks about being the bread of life.

01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:09.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and that in verse 28 it says, They said to him, What must we do to be doing the works of God?

01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:14.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Or you know, the you could easily put will of God in there, the works of God.

01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:15.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh-huh.

01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:20.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Jesus answered them, This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.

01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:21.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Good.

01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:22.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Don't you love that?

01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:23.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, I do love that.

01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.239
<v SPEAKER_03>They and then they immediately goes right over their heads.

01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:26.719
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:31.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh because they sent, so then what sign do you do that we may see and believe you?

01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:33.599
<v SPEAKER_03>What work do you perform?

01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:36.960
<v SPEAKER_03>No, you didn't hear me.

01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:41.360
<v SPEAKER_03>This is the work of God that you believe in me.

01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:46.480
<v SPEAKER_03>It's his to believe in me.

01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:46.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:55.440
<v SPEAKER_03>And that's what the Holy Spirit works in us when he regenerates us and brings us to faith, gives us the gift of faith.

01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:02.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Um but they fell right back into their legalism that what do we need to be doing?

01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:03.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:13.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Um you know, it makes me part of what it just occurred to me there is the thinking in the do not love the world sort of frame.

01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:15.119
<v SPEAKER_00>I think it's helpful to have this language.

01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.679
<v SPEAKER_00>We can think of it as like this is just a cutting off.

01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:24.800
<v SPEAKER_00>But I think John is also giving us a pathway forward for our growth and sanctification.

01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:29.440
<v SPEAKER_00>For and it that is this language of, you know what I'm doing?

01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.360
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm loving the world.

01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:37.840
<v SPEAKER_00>I think we we need we need that language in our repentance, you know, to be able to identify those things.

01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:39.679
<v SPEAKER_00>It's like, you know what I'm actually doing here?

01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:42.880
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm you know why I've fallen into this again?

01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:44.960
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm loving the world.

01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:52.719
<v SPEAKER_00>I need to turn my love towards God and love the eternal things.

01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:59.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And now, how does that frame how I would enter this situation again or how I would pursue this again if I were loving that way?

01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:05.119
<v SPEAKER_00>It's really helpful you know, it'd be really helpful to walk through that.

01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:08.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, and to have those words.

01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:09.360
<v SPEAKER_00>It's like a pathway out.

01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:10.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:16.400
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, it I think one of the hardest things uh in the Christian life is to judge your motives.

01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:17.440
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:22.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Um why do I want these things?

01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:26.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Is it to to satisfy my flesh?

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:26.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh-huh.

01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Or is it to glorify God?

01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:42.320
<v SPEAKER_03>Um is it just to eat for survival, or um is it eat because I love this so much I'm just gonna not stop eating it?

01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:42.800
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.440
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh that those kind of motivational questions.

01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:51.280
<v SPEAKER_03>Um we've talked in in my class about becoming more epistemologically self-conscious.

01:06:51.679 --> 01:07:00.159
<v SPEAKER_03>And that's one part of that dynamic is to say, okay, I can back off and look at my motivations here.

01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:00.719
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:02.880
<v SPEAKER_03>Before I make the choice.

01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:07.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, or even after you make the choice, you that sometimes blow up in your face.

01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.320
<v SPEAKER_03>You go, what what was I thinking?

01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:12.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, that's usually where it is for me.

01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.960
<v SPEAKER_00>That's usually where the moments of clarity.

01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:25.760
<v SPEAKER_00>You look back and then it's like it's like uh, oh man, this was that was love of the world in this way, or that was covetousness or whatever.

01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:27.360
<v SPEAKER_03>Very helpful.

01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:28.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:31.360
<v SPEAKER_00>Well, he goes on.

01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Let's talk about some antichrists to wrap it up.

01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Children, it is the last hour.

01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.239
<v SPEAKER_00>And as you have heard, that antichrist is coming.

01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:42.719
<v SPEAKER_00>So now many antichrists have come.

01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:46.159
<v SPEAKER_00>Therefore, we know it is the last hour.

01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.800
<v SPEAKER_00>They went out from us, but they were not of us.

01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:56.320
<v SPEAKER_00>For if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.360
<v SPEAKER_00>Let's stop there, I think, and we'll get to the anointed.

01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:03.519
<v SPEAKER_00>We'll address the anointed separately.

01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:07.280
<v SPEAKER_00>So Antichrist, it's the last hour.

01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:10.719
<v SPEAKER_00>What is what's the last hour, what's all this last hour talk?

01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:11.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Oh well.

01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:28.640
<v SPEAKER_03>Um my view is he w was referring to um Jesus' prediction that um that generation would not pass away until all the things that he described in Matthew 24 would would occur.

01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:29.119
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:47.199
<v SPEAKER_03>That includes the destruction of the temple, um and and his appearance, his parocia um in coming back to bring the judgments that he promised uh he would bring at his coming against uh the the Jewish nation.

01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Um because the old covenant was coming to an end.

01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:51.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:08:51.600 --> 01:09:02.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Um all the temple sacrifices, even if they weren't in rebellion to to God at that in that age, right, needed to be done away with.

01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:03.279
<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:08.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Because the sacrifice, the once-for-all-time sacrifice for the world had come, it had been fulfilled.

01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:09.600
<v SPEAKER_00>Exactly, exactly.

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:17.600
<v SPEAKER_03>But since they were a rebellious people, the Lord raised up uh the Roman armies to utterly annihilate Jerusalem.

01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:18.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:31.760
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think you see in Scripture, even though Jesus said he didn't know the day or the hour of his return, that was from the fathers only, um, he did specify that generation would see all these things.

01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:41.920
<v SPEAKER_03>And as they got closer to the end of that generation, it was becoming from a generation to weeks to days to hours.

01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:42.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:49.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and you see a progression in time getting closer and closer to that terminal event for the Jewish nation.

01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:50.800
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:09:51.359 --> 01:10:03.760
<v SPEAKER_00>So in this last hour, there's this sharp contrast between the proclamation of the gospel and the between the new covenant and the old covenant, really, between those whom God is divorcing and those whom he's marrying.

01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:04.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:05.039
<v SPEAKER_00>That's one way to see it.

01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:05.520
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:11.119
<v SPEAKER_00>And there's a uh, and I agree.

01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:22.479
<v SPEAKER_00>I think that there's a I think there's like a direct um referent that uh uh they have in mind with the the Lord's warnings for this generation.

01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:40.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And I also think that there's a um for all of church history reality that the proclamation of the gospel, the proclamation of Christ as Lord, will always elicit antichrists.

01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:40.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:45.359
<v SPEAKER_00>Now that Christ has appeared, the shape of opposition is anti-Christ.

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:46.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.880
<v SPEAKER_00>It's it's against him as Lord.

01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:55.760
<v SPEAKER_00>And so there's uh so they're recognizing this um appearing of of Antichrist.

01:10:56.239 --> 01:11:15.920
<v SPEAKER_00>This has sort of captured our, as you said earlier earlier in the beginning, it's captured our popular imagination, but I think it's much um uh I don't know, more present, more more maybe more ordinary than folks might imagine of like what the Antichrist is.

01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:16.399
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.119
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's defined here.

01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:28.560
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh it's those that go out from them, they're separated out from the church, they're separated out to show that they were not among them.

01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:36.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's uh those who reject the Father and the Son.

01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:41.279
<v SPEAKER_00>This these are the Antichrists.

01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:49.520
<v SPEAKER_00>So it's it's basically those who explicitly deny that Jesus is the Christ.

01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:50.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:52.960
<v SPEAKER_03>That's clear from verse 22.

01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:56.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?

01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:57.760
<v SPEAKER_03>This is Antichrist.

01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:06.880
<v SPEAKER_03>And so it's not a person, per se, that um you know dispensational theology wants to make.

01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:12.560
<v SPEAKER_03>Um they I think they can conflate the man of sin with the Antichrist.

01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:21.359
<v SPEAKER_03>But so often when they talk about the Antichrist, they never go to the passages in 1 John and Romans that talk about the Antichrist.

01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:22.399
<v SPEAKER_03>What is that?

01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:32.079
<v SPEAKER_03>And from all that we've said here and see in John, um he denies that Jesus is the Christ, verse 22.

01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:34.800
<v SPEAKER_03>He denies the Father and the Son.

01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:39.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Um that's a a denial of the um the Trinity, actually.

01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:40.479
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:46.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Um they're both um um members of of the triune God.

01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:53.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Um in um in 4.3, I think it is, he does not confess that Jesus is from God.

01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.600
<v SPEAKER_03>So there's a denial of the incarnation.

01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:56.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:58.159
<v SPEAKER_03>He he didn't come in the flesh.

01:12:58.479 --> 01:12:59.680
<v SPEAKER_03>In the flesh, yeah.

01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:05.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, and that's in in one or 2 John 1.7 as well.

01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:20.560
<v SPEAKER_03>And as you pointed out, they were cut off from the body of Christ, um uh puffed up with visions of their own making, and went out and demonstrated, hey, we really don't believe what this message is that we've heard from the beginning.

01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:22.800
<v SPEAKER_03>We're leaving that, we're committing apostasy.

01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Now they wouldn't say that because they thought they had the truth.

01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:26.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, yeah, that's right.

01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:27.920
<v SPEAKER_03>But but in fact, they were committed.

01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:29.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Apostates rarely self-identify.

01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:30.479
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:31.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Rarely.

01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:39.680
<v SPEAKER_03>But um again, that's in perfect accord with what Jesus said would happen at the close of that age.

01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:40.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yep.

01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:45.039
<v SPEAKER_03>There would be many coming in his name saying, I'm he, don't go after them.

01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:55.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, along with all the other signs, that that terminal generation of the old covenant administration of the covenant um was coming to an end.

01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:56.319
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:07.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Um and I think it's beautiful that before it did come to an end in 8070, the Lord gave that young church 40 years to get established.

01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:07.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:12.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Um so it's like, you know, don't quit your day job.

01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:13.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, exactly.

01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Before you have something uh uh something better to go to.

01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:18.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:20.800
<v SPEAKER_03>And that what a gracious thing to do.

01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:28.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Um what is the do you think we ought to have an expectation of antichrists currently?

01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:29.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Absolutely.

01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:37.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And what do you think is the usefulness of having that expectation of antichrists?

01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:43.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Um so that um I think John argues here so that you won't be deceived.

01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:51.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Um these guys are specifically out to deny cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith.

01:14:51.439 --> 01:15:00.319
<v SPEAKER_03>And um, like Jehovah's Witnesses, for instance, you know, uh denying that Jesus is the eternal Son of God.

01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:03.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Um be aware of that.

01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:11.840
<v SPEAKER_03>You know, most a lot of the people in the cults got into that position because they didn't know why they believe what they believe.

01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:20.239
<v SPEAKER_03>And some smooth-talking Bible-twisting person comes along and says, Oh, well, you join us and you you'll be special.

01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:30.640
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, there are it's like he describes this pattern of maturity, and then he describes these threats that can cut you off.

01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:42.640
<v SPEAKER_00>The world, the the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, boastful pride of life, and then particular people who are seeking to deceive you, who are antichrists.

01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:43.520
<v SPEAKER_03>Exactly.

01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:47.520
<v SPEAKER_00>And these are real real threats to our Christian walk.

01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:51.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh and and threats to our maturity and our our perseverance.

01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:52.800
<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:57.920
<v SPEAKER_00>So we have to know that they're we have to know that they're there, and we should expect them.

01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:09.439
<v SPEAKER_03>And we have the Holy Spirit as another paraclete to aid in our protection against deceitful teaching.

01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:11.760
<v SPEAKER_00>Aaron Powell So let's jump to verse 20 on that.

01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:16.399
<v SPEAKER_00>But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.

01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:23.039
<v SPEAKER_00>I write to you not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth.

01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:32.640
<v SPEAKER_00>So there's this so he says, so he's saying there's these antichrists that are it's the last hour you should expect this.

01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:41.600
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh and they're they're coming out to deceive, but you are have been anointed by the Holy One.

01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:43.439
<v SPEAKER_00>What is that anointing?

01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:45.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And how can I get some of that, Bruce?

01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:51.760
<v SPEAKER_03>Well, uh it's not getting that, it's getting him.

01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:52.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Nice.

01:16:53.680 --> 01:17:04.319
<v SPEAKER_03>It's I think he's referencing the uh regeneration, regenerational work of the Holy Spirit in bringing us to spiritual life.

01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:04.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh-huh.

01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:11.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Um I like the way Titus um Paul talks to Titus about this.

01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:25.600
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, for we ourselves were once foolish, chapter 3, verse 3, disobedient, led astray to slaves, uh slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by men and hating one another.

01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:41.439
<v SPEAKER_03>But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which he poured out upon us.

01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:43.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, this anointing language.

01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:44.399
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, it is.

01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:52.159
<v SPEAKER_03>Um we're regenerate by being made a new creation, being born again, being raised from the dead.

01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:57.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Those are the three main analogies that we have about regeneration.

01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:02.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Um, but we're also renewed by the Holy Spirit.

01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:12.239
<v SPEAKER_03>And I think that renewal is referencing the um the renewal of the image of God in us that Paul speaks about in Ephesians 4.

01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:18.399
<v SPEAKER_03>The three things that we are renewed in is knowledge, holiness, and righteousness after the image of God.

01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:19.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:25.199
<v SPEAKER_03>And so there is a benefit, and we go back to the scriptures and the importance of that again.

01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:36.800
<v SPEAKER_03>It's the Holy Spirit that uses the Word of God to fill us with the Spirit of God, and that process is one of enlightenment.

01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:37.600
<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:41.760
<v SPEAKER_00>And then we're able to say, amidst deception, that's not true.

01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:42.399
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:44.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's the old ways.

01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:44.880
<v SPEAKER_00>These are old ways.

01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.119
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, it's like he's saying, you know.

01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:50.640
<v SPEAKER_00>And I think one of the first modes of deception is you don't know.

01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:51.279
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:52.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Did God really say?

01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:53.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, exactly.

01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:56.560
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, and it's like, yeah, yeah, no, I know what he said.

01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's written down for us, which is awesome.

01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:05.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, we do have some advantages than than they had um earlier on in the church.

01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:12.800
<v SPEAKER_00>But that anointing language also makes me think that pouring water from above, like cupping it in your hands, then pouring it down on somebody, is a great image of baptism.

01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:13.840
<v SPEAKER_00>That's a beautiful image.

01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:14.720
<v SPEAKER_03>Very nice.

01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:15.039
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:16.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Very nice.

01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:25.199
<v SPEAKER_00>So uh He goes on and he says, uh Let what you have heard from the beginning abide in you.

01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:30.800
<v SPEAKER_00>If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father.

01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.399
<v SPEAKER_00>And this is the promise that he made to us eternal life.

01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:47.119
<v SPEAKER_00>I I think that shows exactly what you're just explaining, that the Holy Spirit allows the Word of God to it it apply, He applies the Word of God to our hearts.

01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:56.720
<v SPEAKER_00>And then we're we're able to abide in the Son and in the Father by abiding in what we have been told, what we've heard from the Word of God.

01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:57.199
<v unknown>Yeah.

01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:08.720
<v SPEAKER_00>And then we're in the Son and we're we're in the We're in the Son and in the Father, and then we have the um we we are not deceived.

01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:09.359
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:13.039
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, think about what Scripture says that we have in Christ.

01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:16.560
<v SPEAKER_03>One of the things is that we have the mind of Christ.

01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:17.279
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:20.560
<v SPEAKER_03>I mean, talk about mind-boggling concepts.

01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:21.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, it's insane.

01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:23.520
<v SPEAKER_00>Um and I love the argument.

01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:25.760
<v SPEAKER_00>Who knows the mind of a man but the spirit of a man?

01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:27.840
<v SPEAKER_00>You have the spirit of God.

01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:28.800
<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:29.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Right.

01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:39.600
<v SPEAKER_03>And you're as long as your mind is being illumined by the word of God, the spirit of God will write those things into your soul.

01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:43.920
<v SPEAKER_03>And and you'll be like these young men where the word of God abides in you.

01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:44.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:48.239
<v SPEAKER_00>And then we'll overcome the evil one.

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:50.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, that's the added benefit.

01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:52.800
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, that's the perk on the back end.

01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:54.399
<v SPEAKER_00>So we should expect overcoming.

01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:55.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.960
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, we should be poised to overcome the deceptions of the world.

01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:00.000
<v SPEAKER_03>Yes.

01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:04.800
<v SPEAKER_00>I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.

01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:08.880
<v SPEAKER_00>But the anointing that you received from him abides in you.

01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:11.680
<v SPEAKER_00>And you have no need that anyone should teach you.

01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:19.600
<v SPEAKER_00>But as his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.

01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:21.439
<v SPEAKER_00>Probably close with those verses.

01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:22.319
<v unknown>Yeah.

01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:28.319
<v SPEAKER_00>It's sort of a recap of the things that we've hashed, but that we've hashed out.

01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:32.800
<v SPEAKER_00>But he's writing about those that have deceived you, and he says, But you've been anointed.

01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:37.760
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, it's like uh in Hebrews, but we have better things in mind for you.

01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:38.239
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:43.520
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, you've been anointed, and you abide in him.

01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:45.520
<v SPEAKER_00>You have no need for anyone to teach you.

01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:58.880
<v SPEAKER_00>This is new covenant language that we've put he has written his law in our hearts, that there's no need that anyone should teach his brother or say to his brother, know the Lord, you know him.

01:21:59.039 --> 01:21:59.680
<v unknown>Yeah.

01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:07.199
<v SPEAKER_00>And he's it's like he's saying, like, rest assured amidst this, take your stand, stand here, abide here.

01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:13.680
<v SPEAKER_00>This is uh given to you by the receiving of the Holy Spirit and coming to Christ.

01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:23.119
<v SPEAKER_03>I think, if I'm not mistaken, I'll I'll double check, but I think when it um the verb for abide here is a passive imperative.

01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:31.439
<v SPEAKER_03>Um and I love what Francis Schaefer used to um talk about this dynamic of active passivity.

01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:32.079
<v SPEAKER_03>Uh-huh.

01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:33.920
<v SPEAKER_03>Wonderful concept.

01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:37.760
<v SPEAKER_03>But the the key question is how do you obey a passive imperative?

01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.840
<v SPEAKER_03>Imperative is a command, but the it's being done to you.

01:22:42.079 --> 01:22:42.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, it's being done to you.

01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.479
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, how can you command it to have something that's done to you?

01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:46.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, yeah.

01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:52.640
<v SPEAKER_03>It's it's a real tension there, but I think um it's staying put.

01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:59.439
<v SPEAKER_03>So it's it's being it's staying put in those areas where you know you will be acted upon.

01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:00.239
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:06.800
<v SPEAKER_03>If you give your mind to know the scriptures, the word of God, you're gonna be acted upon.

01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:10.079
<v SPEAKER_03>That's what Paul says in Romans 2 12 or 12.2.

01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.199
<v SPEAKER_03>Um be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:15.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, that's another passive imperative.

01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:21.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Get into the scriptures, and your mind will become more and more the mind of Christ.

01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:22.640
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:23.600
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:28.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Well, this is a wonderful, this is a wonderful chapter to get to work through, Bruce.

01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:41.520
<v SPEAKER_00>Um, I think it's super practical, it's super encouraging, and especially to, and it has this just like great, you know, John is like, it can feel repetitive, but he's really like circling these things.

01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:46.159
<v SPEAKER_00>He's like, if you just follow him, then you are meditating over and over again on these things.

01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:48.000
<v SPEAKER_00>You're chewing on them with them.

01:23:48.640 --> 01:24:05.199
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's wonderful to start in a chapter with our advocate and our propitiation, and then move practically to uh being able to withstand the pressures of the world and the deception that comes from us to that would cause us to walk away from that advocate.

01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:06.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:08.399
<v SPEAKER_00>So thanks for working through this.

01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:09.439
<v SPEAKER_00>Hey, my pleasure.

01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:10.560
<v SPEAKER_00>Been a delight.

01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:22.159
<v SPEAKER_00>Thanks everybody for listening in and uh hope you're enjoying working through first John, and we will uh hopefully get the next episode out quicker than a month apart.

01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:23.680
<v SPEAKER_00>All right, thanks everyone.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Goodbye.
