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<v SPEAKER_00>Good morning.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Oh yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Sorry.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Good afternoon.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Welcome to church.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Welcome to Redemption Church Denver.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If this is your first time, welcome.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If not, y'all know me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm Ed Eby.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You usually see me standing over there in the corner playing the base.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And uh today I'm going to be bringing the message.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So uh last week I went in for my annual physical, and my doctor wants me to get back to my original weight.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm kind of thinking that eight pounds, six ounces just ain't happening.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um yeah, that actually went over better than I thought it would.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um again, my name is Ed Eby, and uh I have just a ton of hobbies.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm a novelist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh some of you have read my book.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm uh uh let's see, I'm a carpenter, I'm a bass player, I'm a photographer, I do the IT at a missions organization here in town, uh called World Venture.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I used to pastor in Washington, D.C.

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<v SPEAKER_00>many years ago.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I was the assistant pastor of a small black church down on the streets, and we did a lot of drug and alcohol intervention, a lot of prison ministry, and I'll talk a little bit about that today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um I enjoy speaking, so thank you all for letting me speak to you today.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I just want to take a moment here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I know they didn't they didn't pay me to say this or anything, but James and Zach are like the real deal.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um there was a period of about two years that I was the assistant pet or I'm sorry, the youth pastor of a very large church in uh in Virginia.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if I told you the pastor's wife's name, you would know who she is.

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<v SPEAKER_00>She was very famous.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And uh one day I walked into church, and here the church's secretary just comes running down the stairs, just in full tears.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I grabbed her and hugged her while she just wept on my shoulder and uh found out that the pastor had said something really nasty to her.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm like, you know, pastors shouldn't be like that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But we're really, really blessed to have some really fantastic men of God that are leading this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Thank you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I totally agree, uh, that are leading this congregation, and I've been privileged to get to know these guys at a very intimate level.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I know all of their dirt, so uh, but it's safe here.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um and they're just very authentic guys that uh really walk what they talk, and I just I just wanted to say that that I just am so blessed that we have such um such fantastic pastors.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So uh again, they didn't pay me to say that, but I just had to say it because it's true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um I may sit at some point today, uh depends on how well my back does.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh so today I want to talk to you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We we had the we had the scripture out of Isaiah, and I'll allude to that, I'll actually refer back to it in a little bit.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Today I want to preach a message that I have preached probably a dozen or more times in my pastoring career, and um I've preached it so often because it is the most powerful story in the entire scriptures.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You can argue with me about that later if you want, but that's my position.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It is the core of everything that we believe.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm gonna talk about the cross and the resurrection, but we're gonna talk about the great exchange.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that's how Jesus took everything that was awesome and holy and pure and good, and he came to earth and he exchanged that for our ugliness and mess that we live in.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's it's the great exchange.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So as I take you through the cross and through the resurrection, you're gonna constantly see this concept of Jesus taking our mess and giving us his righteousness.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And we find that in the scripture that uh was just read, it says, by his stripes we were healed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that's kind of that's kind of the key that that clues us into what happened on the cross.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh the scripture says, Surely he has borne our grief and carried our sorrows, yet we esteemed him smitten by God and afflicted.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquity, and upon him was the chastisement that brings him brings us peace.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And with his wounds we are healed.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So you see that you see that exchange that happens there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He left heaven, where everything was perfect, he didn't have to do it, but he loved us so much that that's what he did.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He came to earth, he became human, he was God and human, fully God and fully human, and he took upon himself all of our sins.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, as I talk today, uh I'm gonna get a little graphic, and uh I hope you're okay with that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But as I'm talking, I don't want you to feel sorry for Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>As he went through all of this, you have to remember that he did it because he wanted to do it for us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It was his expression of love for us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He loved me so much that he was willing to do all of this stuff, and I'm crazy enough to believe that if I had been the only person who had ever sinned, he would have gone through this for me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that's true for you too.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Every once in a while, um I I love counseling people.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's that's one of the things that that God's gifted me with, and I'm not professional or anything, but I'm a good listener.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And um I was sitting with a couple um was it Monday night, I think, Tuesday night.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh forget what night it was.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was sitting with a couple in my living room, and this doesn't happen very often, but this young lady was sitting there questioning whether God really loved her.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And all of a sudden, I was hit with this powerful feeling of love for this young lady, and and I recognized that it was God letting me see her through his eyes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And it was just I I can't put into words the incredible love that he had for this young lady that was sitting there weeping because she didn't know if God loved her.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And all I could do was say, I can tell you with a certainty, God loves you beyond anything that you could imagine.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he loves each of you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So I'm gonna start the story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, mostly I'm gonna take it from Matthew 26, verse 36, all the way through 27, verse 54.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you don't believe me, it's in the Bible.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You can go look it up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In fact, if you've been following our scripture reading in the app, it was in there this week.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So this shouldn't be unfamiliar to you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If it is, that's cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'd be happy to tell you the first time.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So uh I'm gonna start the story in the Garden of Gethsemane.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus is there and and he knows he's got this terrible thing coming.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Because, like, he can see into the future, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so he's there weeping, and he asks a couple of his disciples to come with him, and and they fall asleep on the job.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's like, come on, guys, get with it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But Jesus knows this terrible thing is coming, and he's weeping before God, and the Bible says he's sweating drops of blood.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I understand that physically that is possible, that you can sweat drops of blood, but you got to be under intense, intense pressure.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I've never been there, but I understand it is physically possible.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he's crying before the Father, Lord, if there's any way that you can release me from this thing, let's do it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus comes to a point in his prayer where he says, Nevertheless, Lord, not my will, but thy will be done.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And something really, really interesting happens.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's at that point that angels are able to come and minister to him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I find it real interesting.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, in my life, I'm I'm not a perfect guy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm I screw up like everybody else.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And there are lots and lots of times where I don't want to go through something.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I fight God and I kick and I quail and I cry and I don't want to go through it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But it's not until I say, Nevertheless, Lord, not my will, but thy will be done, that God is able to come and minister to me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I don't know where you are in your walk.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't know where you are in your struggle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I do know that you are going through struggles because all of us do.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But maybe that's where you are.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Maybe you're in Gethsemane, crying out to the Lord, and you haven't yet said, Nevertheless, Lord, not my will, but thy will be done.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And you're wondering why the angels aren't showing up to help you out.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Maybe that's where you are.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he's there praying, and and uh and finally he comes back, he finds the job, the disciples asleep on the job, and he says, Come on, guys, wake up because here come the here come the bad guys.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And uh so Judas comes up, and there's a bunch of guys behind him with swords and and torches, and Judas kisses them on the cheek, and you know the saying, uh it's better to get uh wounds from an enemy, wounds from a friend are better than kisses from an enemy, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Actually, that's one of the proverbs.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Judas kisses him on the cheek, and and he says, This is the dude.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Peter hauls out a sword, and uh the Bible tells us that he cuts off the servant of the high priest's ear.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So, how many here have ever played with a sword?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Two, three, four of you?

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<v SPEAKER_00>So, so he cuts off the ear of the high priest's servant.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if you have a heavy sword and you take it and you do like this and cut a guy's ear off, that sword is gonna go right on down through the guy's body and split him in half.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Am I right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's not what happened.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Peter was going for the guy's head, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the guy ducks and his ear gets sliced off.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so Jesus, he reaches down and he rebukes Peter, say, put up the sword, dude.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If you live by the sword, you're gonna die by the sword.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He picks up the guy's ear, and I guess he must have brushed it off.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't know, I'm assuming he did, and he puts it back on the guy's head and he heals him right there.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so they drag him off to the uh to the high priests.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They drag Jesus off to the high priest.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, I want to tell you, I'm not gonna tell you the whole story.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm just gonna hit the highlights.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This is a story that I have studied for years and years and years, and each one of these things I'd love to take, you know, like an hour to talk about, but y'all don't want me to do that, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>No?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Okay, okay, good.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So um, they drag Jesus in front of the high priests, and they begin to come up with all of these lies about Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And but nobody could could agree, you know, none of the lies agreed because they were making them all up on the spot.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I just I don't know.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Have you how do you respond when somebody lies about you?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't I don't take it very good.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not really gracious when somebody lies about me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And yet Jesus stood there and said nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>They um they struck Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh some people think that they punched him, other people think that they used sticks and you know, like baseball bats and whacked him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And they said, Oh, prophesy who hit you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus in that moment went through extreme feelings of rejection.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know how it feels when you've been rejected?

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<v SPEAKER_00>You see, Jesus himself is perfect acceptance.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus loves every person on the face of the planet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He just loves them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus took on himself that rejection.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know how it is when your girlfriend says crap about you to somebody else and and or or somebody that you were just you really thought highly of, turns their back on you, or or doesn't return the phone call, or doesn't return the email.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus took all that rejection on himself.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Out in the courtyard, Peter's hanging out with the the servant people, the there's and there was a servant girl that saw him and said, Hey, you're one of Jesus' people! And Peter goes, No, man, I don't even know the guy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know how it feels when your best friends let you down.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You know, you're in a hard spot, they're walking away.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So then a little bit later, they took Jesus to the civil authorities.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Uh what was going on back in those days, uh, let me back up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So back in the Old Testament times, the religious authorities were in charge of national uh events.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So they could put somebody to death.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But because Rome was over uh was ruling Israel at the time, the religious authorities couldn't put Jesus to death.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So they had to take him to the civil authorities, and they took him to a guy named Pilate.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so Pilate interviews Jesus, and he can't find anything wrong with him to put him to death.

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<v SPEAKER_00>But the people are about to riot.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So at that time, uh, what Pilate did was every year at the time of the Passover, uh he would release one prisoner to the people just to kind of make people happy and and and uh you know keep the peace.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so there was a guy named Barabbas, and uh he was a what we today would call a terrorist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He was a murderer and an insurrectionist.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We would call him a terrorist, right?

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<v SPEAKER_00>So so he he took this guy out.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He says, This is the worst of the worst.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put this bad, bad guy up here, and uh um they're gonna pick Jesus to be released because they're not gonna want this insurrectionist, this terrorist to be among them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he says, Who do you want released, Barabbas or Jesus?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And the people all said, Barabbas.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And he's like, Oh, where in the world did that come from?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus was rejected by the world.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Rejection is a terrible thing, but Jesus took all of that on himself.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus, uh, or I'm sorry, Pilate heard that Jesus was a Galilean.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And uh, so this this is, I'm gonna go over to Luke 23 to pick up this part of the story because Matthew didn't write it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he sends Jesus over to Herod, and Herod is all excited about it, and he wants to see Jesus because he's heard Jesus has done all these miracles, and he's hoping that Jesus will make, you know, a dove fly out of a handkerchief or something.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I don't know.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He's looking for a miracle because I guess his court jester was uh on strike or something, I don't know, but he wanted to see a miracle.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so Jesus just stands in front of him and doesn't say anything, and Herod goes, Ah, forget it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So he sends him back to Pilate, and Pilate and Herod became friends that day.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Pilate takes Jesus and he flogs him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Now, the when I when I was a kid, I thought I heard about you know the flogging of Jesus, and I thought it was like uh, you know, but in a in the I grew up on a farm.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So we had a cow whip, you know, it was a long, long pole, and at the end it had this floppy thing, and you whack a cow with it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um if you watched Westerns, you can see the guys with the snake whips, you know, and they you know, like Indiana Jones, you know, he's got that snake whip, and and he pulls it out and he does all these kind of things with it.

00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.599
<v SPEAKER_00>That's what I thought the whip was like that they whipped Jesus with.

00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:00.640
<v SPEAKER_00>But that's not how the that's not the kind of whip that they used on Jesus.

00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:09.279
<v SPEAKER_00>The kind of whip that they used on Jesus was, and this is this is not taken from the scripture, but it's taken from historians at the time.

00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.400
<v SPEAKER_00>It was called a cat of nine tails.

00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.400
<v SPEAKER_00>Cat-O-9-Tales.

00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:18.000
<v SPEAKER_00>That's how it's spelled.

00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.240
<v SPEAKER_00>And it was a really, really nasty thing.

00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:31.839
<v SPEAKER_00>So it had a a handle, and then out of the handle were these wooden bra, I'm sorry, these leather braids that came out.

00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:41.680
<v SPEAKER_00>And there could be nine of them or twelve of them, or it didn't matter how many their tails there actually were, it was called a cat of nine tails.

00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:58.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And in braided into the leather strips were little bits of glass and razor blades and sharp steel and all kinds of really, really nasty things.

00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:13.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And they took that cat of nine tails and they would swing it and it would wrap around Jesus' body, and just about the time it would hit his back, they would just pull straight back on it.

00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:23.200
<v SPEAKER_00>And those the glass and the and the bits of steel just shredded his skin right off his body.

00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:34.079
<v SPEAKER_00>We know that is true because I'm getting out of line.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Here we go.

00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:48.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Over in Psalm chapter 22, the psalmist looks forward a thousand years into the future, and he sees Jesus being whipped.

00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:56.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And he says, and I'm gonna read it for you, Psalm 22, verses 14 and 17.

00:20:58.319 --> 00:20:59.680
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not gonna read it to you.

00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:00.880
<v SPEAKER_00>I didn't write it down.

00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:02.799
<v SPEAKER_00>Somebody have it for me.

00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.279
<v SPEAKER_00>I got too many pages up here.

00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:08.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Oh, um.

00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:10.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Hold on.

00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:17.279
<v SPEAKER_00>Just a minute, you gotta hear this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Psalm chapter 22, verses 14, says, I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint.

00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.319
<v SPEAKER_00>My heart has turned to wax and is melted with me.

00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:47.519
<v SPEAKER_00>Verse 17 says, All of my bones are on display, and people gloat and stare over me.

00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.880
<v SPEAKER_00>They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garments.

00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.279
<v SPEAKER_00>He could count his bones, he could look down and see his bones.

00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:00.400
<v SPEAKER_00>His flesh was torn from his Body.

00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:09.759
<v SPEAKER_00>That's why the scripture that was read earlier said, people looked at me and it was it didn't look like a human form over in Isaiah.

00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:12.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Did I have that written down?

00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:14.400
<v SPEAKER_00>No, I don't.

00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:28.160
<v SPEAKER_00>I used to uh when when I was in the city, we used to take guys out of the out of the prisons and uh we'd do a work release program with them.

00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:38.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh we were allowed as pastors to come in, the city allowed us to do this, to come in and have a uh devotion with them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And most of the guys coming out of prison were Muslims, and they believed in Jesus, but they believed that he was a good prophet, and they also believed that Jesus, the story of the cross, was made up by humans, and they didn't believe it was real.

00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:05.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And so they had all their defenses around the gospels.

00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.039
<v SPEAKER_00>That didn't bother us.

00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:17.599
<v SPEAKER_00>We just preached Jesus out of the Old Testament, and out of the 50 guys that came through the program, there was only one who didn't give his heart to the Lord.

00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:22.720
<v SPEAKER_00>We preached Jesus out of Psalms and out of Isaiah.

00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:34.799
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh we saw how Jesus, how Jesus on the cross was prophesied out of the Old Testament.

00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:43.359
<v SPEAKER_00>So they they whipped Jesus and then they put this royal robe on him.

00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:49.680
<v SPEAKER_00>I don't know if it was Pilate's robe, I don't know who gave it up, but they put a royal robe on Jesus.

00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:55.200
<v SPEAKER_00>And so what happened to this robe as they put it on him?

00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.519
<v SPEAKER_00>His body's just mutilated.

00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:03.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Well, the blood started soaking through.

00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And it didn't matter that he had a royal robe on him.

00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.000
<v SPEAKER_00>He sure didn't look like a royal guy.

00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:15.440
<v SPEAKER_00>He looked all messed up and the blood seeped through and ruined the robe.

00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:20.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And you know what?

00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:22.480
<v SPEAKER_00>That's how we do church a lot.

00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:38.480
<v SPEAKER_00>We were messed up people, and instead of being authentic and letting people see how we are, we put on this pretend robe.

00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:42.640
<v SPEAKER_00>And we walk into church and we look good, yeah.

00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:51.839
<v SPEAKER_00>And we do what I call plastic church, where we just pretend that we've got all our stuff together, and we don't.

00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.400
<v SPEAKER_00>I love our small group.

00:24:54.480 --> 00:25:02.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh we sit around and and we we we share the dirt on ourselves.

00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:04.799
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm going through this.

00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:12.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And we we sit and we cry together, and and we pray for one another.

00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:30.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I'll I'm going somewhere, and all of a sudden God will put one of our um our uh small group mates on my mind, and I'll just pray for them because I know their their wounds, I know how they're hurting, and I can pray better.

00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:44.480
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, people think that that church people are um pretentious and hypocrites, and you know what?

00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:46.160
<v SPEAKER_00>A lot of times we are.

00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:48.880
<v SPEAKER_00>We're pretentious.

00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.799
<v SPEAKER_00>We're we we pretend like we got everything all together.

00:25:53.119 --> 00:26:11.759
<v SPEAKER_00>And the only difference between people in the world and people in the church should be that we have a hope for our future, and that we have people around us to put their arms around us when we're hurting and going through our stuff.

00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:13.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Because we're all going through it.

00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:20.480
<v SPEAKER_00>So just like the world, they're going through their stuff, and we're going through our stuff.

00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:30.799
<v SPEAKER_00>So they put this royal robe on Jesus, and it didn't look like a royal robe by the time it was done.

00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:38.319
<v SPEAKER_00>And the blood clots started started sticking things to his body, and then they ripped it off of him.

00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:58.160
<v SPEAKER_00>They, they uh Pilate writes on a piece of paper in three languages, Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews, and they put it on the top of his cross.

00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.079
<v SPEAKER_00>They strip his clothes off.

00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:13.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, I believe that Jesus was sent to the cross naked, and I'll tell you why I believe that.

00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:20.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Is because his undergarment that he wore was made, it was very expensive.

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.160
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh they it was made all in one piece, it didn't have any seams.

00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:28.960
<v SPEAKER_00>It was made on a loom that it was, I I don't, I don't know.

00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:35.039
<v SPEAKER_00>I I guess if you would knit it, if you're a person who can knit things, you could make a garment without any seams.

00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh it was the same concept.

00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:46.640
<v SPEAKER_00>It was very expensive, and that's what the soldiers threw lots, they they threw dice or whatever, uh, to see who would get his undergarments.

00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:54.559
<v SPEAKER_00>So I believe that Jesus went through the streets of Jerusalem completely naked.

00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Um that's that's my belief.

00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:00.640
<v SPEAKER_00>You can argue with me about that later if you want.

00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:04.400
<v SPEAKER_00>They put a crown of thorns on his head.

00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:10.319
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, when I was a kid, I thought, oh, rose thorns, right?

00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:11.920
<v SPEAKER_00>No.

00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.480
<v SPEAKER_00>My dad has a thorn tree on my brother now.

00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:19.279
<v SPEAKER_00>My brother has a thorn tree on his farm.

00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:24.160
<v SPEAKER_00>And I used to, I had a crown of thorns made up.

00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:35.759
<v SPEAKER_00>The thorns on that thorn tree are about this long, and they're so sharp that if you touch the end, it it breaks your skin.

00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:43.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And and I believe that's the kind of thorns that they put on Jesus' head.

00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.240
<v SPEAKER_00>And they didn't just gently place it on his head.

00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:53.119
<v SPEAKER_00>The Bible says that they beat it into his head so that blood ran down.

00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.240
<v SPEAKER_00>Now we're talking about the great exchange, right?

00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:02.559
<v SPEAKER_00>So what are the things that attack our heads that Jesus took on himself?

00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:10.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Well, um told you I did a lot of a lot of drug and alcohol intervention.

00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:16.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Um I know for sure that that drugs do this mind-altering things.

00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:25.359
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, there was a guy in our in our aftercare center that uh got high.

00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.720
<v SPEAKER_00>And I was staying, no, I got called.

00:29:30.960 --> 00:30:01.359
<v SPEAKER_00>And um, so I went rushing over to the aftercare center, and this guy was had gotten into some bad crack, and he was taking furniture and just moving it over here, and and and then grab another piece of furniture and he move it over here in his room, and I couldn't get in because the door was jammed because he had put a dresser up in front of it, and he was just so full of crazy energy that he was just moving his furniture back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.

00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.039
<v SPEAKER_00>I know that drugs attack the mind.

00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:18.799
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, what happened was that we I we commanded him to be sober, and instantly he was.

00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:30.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And um it was it was just like he had drunk twenty five gallons of coffee.

00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.200
<v SPEAKER_00>He was just cold dead sober.

00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.240
<v SPEAKER_00>He said, I'd never seen anything like this before.

00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And um I stayed at the aftercare center that night.

00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:57.519
<v SPEAKER_00>I slept down on the couch, and outside our aftercare center, there I there was a prostitute, a pair of sisters that lived next door, they were prostitutes and they they were out beside the house doing their thing and drugs, drug deals going on all around the house.

00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.880
<v SPEAKER_00>But I know that drugs attack the mind.

00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.279
<v SPEAKER_00>I know that alcohol attacks the mind.

00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:08.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Um depression, suicide.

00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:18.240
<v SPEAKER_00>There's actually a uh chemical reaction that happens in males' minds when they watch pornography.

00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:24.799
<v SPEAKER_00>See, Jesus took all of that stuff on himself at the cross of Calvary.

00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:31.279
<v SPEAKER_00>Says, by his stripes we were healed.

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.279
<v SPEAKER_00>Remember, I talked about how Jesus' flesh was ripped from his body?

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.319
<v SPEAKER_00>It's by his stripes that we are healed.

00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:39.759
<v SPEAKER_00>Another story.

00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:44.640
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh, it was a cold, cold night in Washington, D.C.

00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:53.839
<v SPEAKER_00>And um we went down to, we did a lot of uh playing music out, and our senior pastor preached.

00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.160
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh it was a cold night.

00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:06.559
<v SPEAKER_00>We went up to Nate Dugar's church on 14th Street, and I remember how cold it was because I was supposed to play bass, and when your fingers get cold, it's hard to play.

00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:14.720
<v SPEAKER_00>So if you ever see me in the wintertime wearing mittens in church, that's why I'm trying to keep my fingers uh loose.

00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:57.920
<v SPEAKER_00>And there was a young lady, we'll call her Gail, uh, that wasn't her name, and um she had a tumor the size of a small orange on her ovary, and she was going to go in the next day for surgery, and she came down for prayer, and our pastor had counseled her and knew some things, and he said to her, I need you to forgive your father, and she said, I can't do that.

00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.160
<v SPEAKER_00>I said, Yeah, you can.

00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.400
<v SPEAKER_00>I need you to forgive your father, and no, I I just can't do it.

00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And she was just in tears.

00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:21.200
<v SPEAKER_00>Her father had done some really, really evil things to her, and finally she broke down and she forgave her father.

00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:36.640
<v SPEAKER_00>The next day she went in to have her surgery, and before they opened her up, they took an x-ray just to make sure that the thing hadn't moved, that everything was exactly what they expected.

00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:44.160
<v SPEAKER_00>And the doctor puts the x-ray up on the up on the uh back in those days, they had like, you know, those old film x-rays.

00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.400
<v SPEAKER_00>You've seen it in the movies, you know what I'm talking about.

00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.519
<v SPEAKER_00>My dad used to do that.

00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:53.599
<v SPEAKER_00>He was a radiologist, he put the x-ray up on the on the light panel, and he started getting all upset.

00:33:53.680 --> 00:34:00.799
<v SPEAKER_00>And he ran out of the room and he got a couple other doctors, and they came in and they started talking, and she's sitting over there just scared to death.

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:07.519
<v SPEAKER_00>She's about to have surgery, they're gonna open her up, they're gonna take something off of her ovary, and they are freaking out, and she's freaking out.

00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.639
<v SPEAKER_00>She finally says, Tell me what's going on.

00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.159
<v SPEAKER_00>You're scaring me.

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:21.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And the doctor comes over to her and says, takes her over to the x-rays and says, Here's yesterday's x-ray.

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And he puts it up and he says, Here's the tumor, here's today's x-ray.

00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Puts it up and she says, It's gone.

00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.280
<v SPEAKER_00>What happened?

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And she said, uh, I don't know.

00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.360
<v SPEAKER_00>They prayed for me last night at church.

00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:49.440
<v SPEAKER_00>And the doctor said, Well, I don't believe in God, but you keep believing in your God because there's yesterday's x-ray, there's today's x-ray, there's a tumor there, and there's no tumor here.

00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.880
<v SPEAKER_00>By his stripes we're healed.

00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:07.119
<v SPEAKER_00>1 Peter calls out in uh chapter, 1 Peter chapter 2, verse 24, and he says, by his stripes we were healed.

00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.519
<v SPEAKER_00>So in Isaiah, it says, by his stripes we are healed.

00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:14.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Peter says, by his stripes we were healed.

00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.800
<v SPEAKER_00>It happened on the cross at Calvary.

00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.679
<v SPEAKER_00>In Isaiah, before it happened, it was present tense.

00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.800
<v SPEAKER_00>By the time Peter came along, it was past tense.

00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:28.960
<v SPEAKER_00>So they took Jesus and they put him on the cross.

00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.679
<v SPEAKER_00>Or they put the cross on his back.

00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And he begins to walk through the streets of Jerusalem.

00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.280
<v SPEAKER_00>I believe totally naked.

00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.360
<v SPEAKER_00>You can argue that point with me if you want, but certainly incredibly humiliated.

00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.480
<v SPEAKER_00>And he's dragging this thing down through the streets.

00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.360
<v SPEAKER_00>His strength is gone.

00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And finally he just collapses under the weight of this thing.

00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:03.199
<v SPEAKER_00>And they pick it up and they grab a man out of the out of the crowd.

00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.440
<v SPEAKER_00>His name is Simon of Cyrene.

00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.400
<v SPEAKER_00>I've done a lot of study on Simon.

00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh it's a fascinating story.

00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:22.480
<v SPEAKER_00>They put it on his back, and Jesus continues to a place called Galgotha or place of the skull.

00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:31.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And every step that Jesus takes, he leaves his precious blood behind him.

00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.960
<v SPEAKER_00>I told you, don't feel sorry for Jesus.

00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.280
<v SPEAKER_00>He did that for me.

00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:42.159
<v SPEAKER_00>Because he loved me.

00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:51.119
<v SPEAKER_00>They took him up to the to Galgoton.

00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.960
<v SPEAKER_00>They laid him out on the on the cross.

00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.639
<v SPEAKER_00>And the Bible says they put the nails in his hands.

00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:06.480
<v SPEAKER_00>You have to understand that at the time the forearm was considered part of the hand.

00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Scholars believe that it actually the nails went through his wrist.

00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.760
<v SPEAKER_00>Otherwise, if it was in his hand, the flesh would have just torn out.

00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:25.599
<v SPEAKER_00>So the nails went through his wrists, and they nailed his hands and his feet to the cross.

00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:36.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, when you're on the cross like that, you don't, you're not going to die from your wounds.

00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:45.119
<v SPEAKER_00>What happens is your chest muscles get paralyzed because your arms are stretched out like this.

00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.840
<v SPEAKER_00>And so what the guys would do is they'd sink down and sink down and sink down.

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:56.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And then they couldn't breathe because their chest muscles were were uh constricted.

00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.639
<v SPEAKER_00>So they would push up.

00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Then they'd grab a breath and they'd sink down.

00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:09.360
<v SPEAKER_00>And you know, eventually they'd run out of strength and they couldn't breathe anymore.

00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.679
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus not only took our sin, but he took our guilt.

00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.519
<v SPEAKER_00>How many in here besides me have ever done bad things?

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:38.639
<v SPEAKER_00>How horrible would it be if he just took away our sin and left us with the guilt?

00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.280
<v SPEAKER_00>Wouldn't that be awful?

00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.679
<v SPEAKER_00>That would be terrible.

00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.400
<v SPEAKER_00>But he took our sin and he took our guilt.

00:38:51.920 --> 00:39:02.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Not only did he take our sin and take our guilt, but in his death on the cross, he made us pure.

00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Now that's one thing that just blows my mind.

00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:18.639
<v SPEAKER_00>When God in heaven looks down and sees little old Ed Eby and all the screw-ups I do, he doesn't see me as a screw up.

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:25.679
<v SPEAKER_00>He because Jesus Christ exchanged all of that stuff for what he had.

00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:42.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus took the sins that others have meted out upon us.

00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:45.599
<v SPEAKER_00>You know how it is.

00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.960
<v SPEAKER_00>You can be going along minding your own business and somebody comes along and assaults us.

00:39:51.360 --> 00:40:00.800
<v SPEAKER_00>It can be a sexual assault, a rape, it can be a verbal assault, it can be all kinds of other things.

00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.440
<v SPEAKER_00>But Jesus took that on himself.

00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.800
<v SPEAKER_00>They placed him between two thieves.

00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And one of the thieves mocks him.

00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Now Matthew doesn't pick this up, but one of the other gospels do.

00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:26.079
<v SPEAKER_00>The other guy says, Hey, Jesus, I know who you are, and I believe in you.

00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Remember me when you come into your kingdom.

00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus took time out.

00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.920
<v SPEAKER_00>He stopped dying for just a few minutes.

00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.559
<v SPEAKER_00>And he started the first prison ministry right there on the cross.

00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And he turned over and said, I'll see you in a little bit.

00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.800
<v SPEAKER_00>They cast lots for his clothes.

00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:54.400
<v SPEAKER_00>I told you about that.

00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus looks down and he sees his mama down at the foot of the cross.

00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:02.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Everybody loves your mama.

00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:03.840
<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, not everybody.

00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Almost everybody loves their mama.

00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:11.599
<v SPEAKER_00>And I just lost my mom back in December.

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:13.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Lost my mother-in-law.

00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:15.599
<v SPEAKER_00>It was a hard time.

00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:18.639
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus looks down and sees his mom there.

00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:24.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And he says, Hey John, she's now your mother.

00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.440
<v SPEAKER_00>You take care of her.

00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.840
<v SPEAKER_00>And he gives away his mother.

00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.039
<v SPEAKER_00>They put some sour wine on a branch of hyssop.

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.679
<v SPEAKER_00>If you are a student of the Old Testament, you'll find that back at the original Passover.

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:46.880
<v SPEAKER_00>They used hyssop and the blood of the Lamb to overcome the death angel.

00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:59.599
<v SPEAKER_00>And then Jesus gets to the end of his life and he calls out with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:03.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Quoting from the King James, I hope that's okay with you.

00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:12.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, I have many times in my life erroneously quoted that scripture.

00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:40.320
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus, in unthinkable obedience, goes to the cross, and when he takes on all of our sins and sicknesses and diseases and all of the crap that we go through, he's hanging there on the cross, and God cannot stand to be in the presence of that sin.

00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.920
<v SPEAKER_00>So he turns his back on Jesus and lets Jesus bear it alone.

00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.599
<v SPEAKER_00>That's my sin that was on Jesus.

00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:57.519
<v SPEAKER_00>But God in that moment turns his back on his son in absolutely unthinkable obedience.

00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:04.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus cries out, My God, my God, how has that, why hast thou forsaken me?

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:15.039
<v SPEAKER_00>But you and me, in our unthinkable disobedience, cannot even cry that prayer in honesty.

00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:21.360
<v SPEAKER_00>Because our God has never forsaken us because of Jesus' obedience on the cross.

00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Do you see the exchange?

00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:24.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Isn't that cool?

00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.800
<v SPEAKER_00>If I was in a black church, I'd have 30 amens right there.

00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus cries out, it is finished.

00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.679
<v SPEAKER_00>And he drops his head and he died.

00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.360
<v SPEAKER_00>The other guys they had come along break their legs.

00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.239
<v SPEAKER_00>But Jesus gave up the ghost.

00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:48.639
<v SPEAKER_00>He did that for me.

00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:51.440
<v SPEAKER_00>He did it because he wanted to.

00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.960
<v SPEAKER_00>Suddenly the earth became dark.

00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:59.519
<v SPEAKER_00>There was an eclipse.

00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:01.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Believe.

00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:10.400
<v SPEAKER_00>There was a violent earthquake, and the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom.

00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:17.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, if you're not a Bible scholar, I'll just give you just a little clue about the veil in the temple.

00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:25.599
<v SPEAKER_00>It was a a place that that it was a curtain that separated the holy place from the Holy of Holies.

00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:31.199
<v SPEAKER_00>And in the Holy of Holies, humans weren't allowed to enter but once a year.

00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.159
<v SPEAKER_00>And they they sent the high priest in.

00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:41.119
<v SPEAKER_00>They actually put a rope around his waist in case the presence of God killed him.

00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:47.920
<v SPEAKER_00>It was so powerful in the Holy of Holies that you could be killed for going in there at the wrong time.

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:57.679
<v SPEAKER_00>So they put a rope around the high priest's waist, and he had bells on the bottom of his robe so that they could hear him still moving around in there.

00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:11.039
<v SPEAKER_00>And the veil was so powerful, was so strong that when they made it, I'm going to get this wrong, it was either 15 horses on each side or 30 horses on each side.

00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:25.199
<v SPEAKER_00>They hooked horses to this cloth and they whipped the horses and they tried to make them go in opposite directions to see if they could tear this curtain, and they couldn't do it.

00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:42.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And the curtain in the temple tore not from the bottom to the top, but from the top to the bottom, as because only the hand of God could have torn that curtain.

00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.519
<v SPEAKER_00>And what does that do for us?

00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.119
<v SPEAKER_00>It allows us to now come into the presence of God.

00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.599
<v SPEAKER_00>It's because I'm in the presence of God.

00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.920
<v SPEAKER_00>When I play music, I just I connect to God.

00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:05.280
<v SPEAKER_00>I don't know how it works.

00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:06.159
<v SPEAKER_00>I just know I do.

00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.440
<v SPEAKER_00>That's why I have to play.

00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:15.280
<v SPEAKER_00>That's why when I first got in touch with Zach before coming to this church, I said, I'm looking for a place where I can play music because I have to.

00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Because I get to go into God's presence.

00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.440
<v SPEAKER_00>And it's just me and God.

00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:29.840
<v SPEAKER_00>And you and I have that option now because the curtain in the temple was torn from top to bottom.

00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.079
<v SPEAKER_00>We can go into God's presence.

00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:38.559
<v SPEAKER_00>It broke down the separation between God and man.

00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:55.920
<v SPEAKER_00>I was uh going over the notes with um James before I gave this message, and he said, dude, we try to tear the curtain ourselves.

00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:03.440
<v SPEAKER_00>We try to break down that thing between us and God, but we can't do it.

00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.119
<v SPEAKER_00>It's already been done.

00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:13.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Romans 10, 3 says that men have gone about to establish their own righteousness.

00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And and it's just foolishness.

00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.440
<v SPEAKER_00>We have no righteousness of our own.

00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:21.760
<v SPEAKER_00>We can only rely on Jesus.

00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.039
<v SPEAKER_00>So Jesus throws his head in his shoulders and he dies.

00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And I'm going to cut out a whole bunch of good stuff for the sake of time.

00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:39.119
<v SPEAKER_00>The next section here is gathered from a lot of different scriptures throughout the New Testament.

00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:48.480
<v SPEAKER_00>But what we gather is that he descended into what was then known as Hades, and he preached to the captives.

00:47:48.639 --> 00:48:02.159
<v SPEAKER_00>At that time, there were, um, James told me not to go into this too deep, so so I'm I'm not going to try, I'm going to try to just skim the surface, that before Jesus' time, when people died, they'd all went into Hades.

00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:06.159
<v SPEAKER_00>It was like a holding cell, it wasn't hell like we like there is today.

00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:12.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And Jesus preached to the captives, and many of them believed that he was the Messiah.

00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:28.159
<v SPEAKER_00>And when he burst out of hell, or Hades, he he stopped off at in um in Jerusalem to talk to the people, and he was on earth there for uh quite a few days.

00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.199
<v SPEAKER_00>I think 500 or 600 people saw him.

00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:47.360
<v SPEAKER_00>And interestingly, some of the people that were in Hades were seen walking around Jerusalem, like all these old dead people, like Isaiah and Jeremiah and the people that were looking for the Messiah were seen walking around Jerusalem.

00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:55.440
<v SPEAKER_00>He bust out of the grave and he overcame death, hell, and the grave.

00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Another scripture says he has the keys to death, hell, and the grave.

00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.719
<v SPEAKER_00>I gotta get this because this is good.

00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.239
<v SPEAKER_00>It was the resurrection of Jesus.

00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.840
<v SPEAKER_00>See, if we only talk about the cross, we missed the good part.

00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:21.519
<v SPEAKER_00>It was the resurrection of Jesus that raises us up to new life.

00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:30.480
<v SPEAKER_00>It was only because Jesus overcame death, overcame hell, overcame the grave that you and I can live a resurrected life.

00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.039
<v SPEAKER_00>That's why we get baptized.

00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:39.840
<v SPEAKER_00>We go into the it represents going into the grave with Jesus because water is a grave, right?

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.000
<v SPEAKER_00>You stay under there for more than 10 minutes, it's not good, right?

00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.880
<v SPEAKER_00>It's water is death.

00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.760
<v SPEAKER_00>We go into death, and we it represents going into death with Jesus.

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:59.119
<v SPEAKER_00>When we get pulled back up out of the water, that represents us being resurrected with Jesus.

00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.760
<v SPEAKER_00>So Jesus now sits at the right hand of the Father, interceding for us.

00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.280
<v SPEAKER_00>What does that mean?

00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:15.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Well, we screw up, we we do something really bad.

00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:28.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Oh, by the way, uh this death and the great exchange is not just for good people, it's for all people.

00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:47.039
<v SPEAKER_00>We used to hang out with uh uh Grace Nelson, who was uh Senator Nelson's wife, who's still in in uh Congress, uh she would come down to into the ghettos with and meet with us a lot.

00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:54.480
<v SPEAKER_00>We uh it was Grace Nelson and Rosemary Tribble, and they would come down together.

00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:07.280
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh Rosemary Tribble, you can look it up uh on on the internet, she's a very outspoken victim of uh sexual abuse.

00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:27.679
<v SPEAKER_00>And um it was very traumatic for her, and she's very outspoken because she wants everybody to know that this shouldn't be hidden, that it needs to be brought out in the open, that healing is available.

00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:38.960
<v SPEAKER_00>And I remember watching her holding hands with these prisoners, some of them murderers, some of them rapists.

00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.360
<v SPEAKER_00>And she would sit stand there and sing, Jesus is the best thing that ever happened to me.

00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Because she had forgiveness.

00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:55.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Jesus didn't just die for good people, he died for the horrible people as well.

00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:58.320
<v SPEAKER_00>And he loves them just as much as he loves us.

00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:13.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Now, today I didn't put any question any uh phone number up there for questions because you have a question for me.

00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:18.320
<v SPEAKER_00>You may not know you have a question for me, but I'm gonna say it and then you go, oh yeah, I wanted to know that.

00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:29.599
<v SPEAKER_00>So I've talked about the great exchange, and I've talked a lot about by his stripes we are healed.

00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:35.039
<v SPEAKER_00>So, your question is you didn't know you were gonna ask this question, but this is your question.

00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:44.079
<v SPEAKER_00>How in the world can you stand up in front of people and preach healing when you have Lyme's disease?

00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.719
<v SPEAKER_00>You didn't know you had that question, did you?

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.320
<v SPEAKER_00>But that's your question, right?

00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.800
<v SPEAKER_00>I really struggled with that this week.

00:52:55.119 --> 00:53:00.639
<v SPEAKER_00>I actually sat down with Zach and talked with him about it.

00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:07.840
<v SPEAKER_00>I sat down, there's another pastor that counsels me occasionally, and I talked with him about it.

00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.719
<v SPEAKER_00>I absolutely believe everything that I just spoke.

00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.880
<v SPEAKER_00>And I believe that healing was provided for us on the cross at Calvary.

00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:31.280
<v SPEAKER_00>Sometimes God heals through supernatural means, sometimes God heals through doctors, sometimes God heals by taking a person home to heaven, getting a new body.

00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:37.280
<v SPEAKER_00>And I really struggled with this.

00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.800
<v SPEAKER_00>I have Lyme disease, uh I have a lot of pain in my joints.

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:47.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh uh, but I'm way better than I was before I went to Florida.

00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:48.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Way better.

00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.360
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I still have a lot of pain in my joints.

00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:59.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh I have pain in my back because the theory is that this hip is all bungled up because of the Lyme disease.

00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:03.519
<v SPEAKER_00>This hip hurts and this knee hurts, and this elbow hurts, and this wrist hurts.

00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:07.360
<v SPEAKER_00>And last week when I was playing bass, man, it was really hard.

00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:14.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And how can I preach this kind of message if I still have sickness?

00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And I got to thinking about it.

00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:29.840
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, if a person is, let's, I'm like the the absolute worst crime that I can think of is a sexual assault.

00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:40.400
<v SPEAKER_00>If a person is assaulted sexually, yes, Jesus provided healing on the cross, but that doesn't mean that they don't have to go through counseling.

00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:49.280
<v SPEAKER_00>They may go through years of counseling and trauma, excuse me.

00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:59.119
<v SPEAKER_00>And just because Jesus took the root of the problem doesn't mean we don't have to live with the results of the problem.

00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:02.400
<v SPEAKER_00>It's there.

00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.519
<v SPEAKER_00>We have each other to love through the issue.

00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:13.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Oh.

00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:15.519
<v unknown>Yeah.

00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.159
<v SPEAKER_00>I I really I really struggled with this this message.

00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.119
<v SPEAKER_00>I I know God wanted me to give the message.

00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.519
<v SPEAKER_00>I mean, the the scripture was in our reading this week for Pete's sake.

00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:43.280
<v SPEAKER_00>And I've never preached the message when it didn't touch hearts and bring people to Jesus in new and living ways.

00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:50.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Oh, Russ used to talk a lot about tension.

00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:52.320
<v SPEAKER_00>I like that.

00:55:52.639 --> 00:56:02.800
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, he talked about one scripture says one thing, and you read another scripture, and it looks like it's totally different, but really the scripture is talking about the same thing from a different perspective.

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:04.639
<v SPEAKER_00>I like the word tension.

00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:11.360
<v SPEAKER_00>And there's a tension between the spiritual reality and the reality that we have to live in.

00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:22.079
<v SPEAKER_00>And sometimes, although we know that that something's been made available for us, we're still in boots of clay.

00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:24.239
<v SPEAKER_00>Oh.

00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:29.519
<v SPEAKER_00>I just I I highly honor authenticity.

00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:31.840
<v SPEAKER_00>And I wanted to share that with you.

00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:36.480
<v SPEAKER_00>It was really, really, really hard for me to do that this week.

00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:46.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Um I know that this message has taught touched some people's hearts.

00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.000
<v SPEAKER_00>And uh I'm available.

00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.840
<v SPEAKER_00>Uh if you want to get with me, if you want to just talk a few minutes, that's cool.

00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:59.360
<v SPEAKER_00>You want to sit down and have a session where you pour out your heart, that's cool too.

00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:05.199
<v SPEAKER_00>My email address is uncleed eby at gmail.com.

00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:09.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Or you can get a hold of Krista, she'll get it get me in touch with you.

00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:17.920
<v SPEAKER_00>But this message, it's the core of what we believe.

00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:24.480
<v SPEAKER_00>Some of you haven't really heard the message like this before.

00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Some of you have, and you've forgotten.

00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.239
<v SPEAKER_00>You know, we get all caught up in our lives and we forget.

00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.400
<v SPEAKER_00>And that's okay.

00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Because we're humans and God knows about that.

00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.960
<v SPEAKER_00>If you want to talk, I'm happy to talk.

00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:48.719
<v SPEAKER_00>Father, I just thank you for this message, and thank you for making me go through it.

00:57:50.480 --> 00:58:06.480
<v SPEAKER_00>And I just pray that that we would be reminded over and over of your incredible love for us, that you went through this willingly.

00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:15.280
<v SPEAKER_00>And you'd do it again if you had to, but you don't have to, because it's been done.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I pray that we would take the message of the cross, the resurrection, and God's love with us throughout the week.

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<v SPEAKER_00>In the name of Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Amen.
