In the Lobby Podcast
Jane Santiago on Cultural Blends, Self-Discovery, and Cultivating Authentic Connections
When Jane Santiago entered the studio, the atmosphere changed; her prayer was not just words, but a catalyst for upliftment and connection. Her story, an intricate tapestry of Puerto Rican and Korean threads, is one of cultural richness and the courage to shape an identity amidst the challenges of military family life and societal prejudice. Our discussion weaves through the vibrant scenes of Austin's dating landscape, the complexities of friendship, and the serendipitous moments that turn strangers into confidants.
This podcast is far more than a conversation; it's an exploration of the deep-rooted issues that affect us all, from the subtleties of racism to the empowering journey of self-recognition. Jane Santiago, with her dynamic heritage, opens up about the resilience required to navigate and celebrate one's cultural background in a world rife with stereotypes. Together, we confront these challenges, drawing strength from the sacrifices of immigrant families and the beauty of diverse American history.
At the heart of this episode lies the nuanced sphere of love and relationships, where strength and vulnerability coexist. With Jane's candid insights, we tackle the paradoxical nature of emotional availability and the importance of authenticity in our connections. The healing process after heartache and the essential role of a support system in rediscovering joy also find their place in our conversation. Join us as we celebrate Jane's captivating online presence and the profound conversations that are the hallmark of our show.
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When Jane Santiago entered the studio, the atmosphere changed; her prayer was not just words, but a catalyst for upliftment and connection. Her story, an intricate tapestry of Puerto Rican and Korean threads, is one of cultural richness and the courage to shape an identity amidst the challenges of military family life and societal prejudice. Our discussion weaves through the vibrant scenes of Austin's dating landscape, the complexities of friendship, and the serendipitous moments that turn strangers into confidants.
This podcast is far more than a conversation; it's an exploration of the deep-rooted issues that affect us all, from the subtleties of racism to the empowering journey of self-recognition. Jane Santiago, with her dynamic heritage, opens up about the resilience required to navigate and celebrate one's cultural background in a world rife with stereotypes. Together, we confront these challenges, drawing strength from the sacrifices of immigrant families and the beauty of diverse American history.
At the heart of this episode lies the nuanced sphere of love and relationships, where strength and vulnerability coexist. With Jane's candid insights, we tackle the paradoxical nature of emotional availability and the importance of authenticity in our connections. The healing process after heartache and the essential role of a support system in rediscovering joy also find their place in our conversation. Join us as we celebrate Jane's captivating online presence and the profound conversations that are the hallmark of our show.
You can follow Jane Santiago:
@janesantiagomarini
Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.
You can follow In the Lobby Podcast: @inthelobbypod
You can follow Cassandra Jean:
@paininmycass_
You can follow Roger Braxton:
@arrogee
I know this one, I know I'm so this one I'm having myself. It's so much better than you think, cass. That's so sweet. I wish we would have been recording when we just did this little prayer circle with you, jane, because Roger and I were not having the best day, and then we came in here with you and you said some of the most beautiful words, oh yeah, and I feel like it just calmed my energy and then it reminded me why I wanted you on the podcast to begin with and why I kept telling Roger I was like we have to get Jane on the podcast. So I'm so excited to have you, jane Santiago, in the lobby podcast and have you in our lobby today.
Speaker 2:So and this speaks volumes. I mean you're absolutely correct. I think you walk in here, you have a certain light that you express, you have a way in which you just have a very respectful, appropriate demeanor. But you have a story to tell too right, and I'm excited to not only have the conversation on in the lobby podcast today, but I think our viewers will be very happy to learn more about you. It may be inspired as well. I think you have a story that touches multiple, multiple different coasts, but also multiple different women, and I think that's important on our podcast as well.
Speaker 3:Thank you, guys. I want to also praise you both for being so selfless and bringing people on and interviewing their stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, in an age of selfishness like that's so big of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You're so cute on your podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you so cute and like literally, Jane and I, when we first met, we like totally like hit it off and one of the second things we ever did was we went to a live podcast show together oh my gosh, yes.
Speaker 3:Where Shannon Ford, where was it?
Speaker 1:Shannon Ford, we're both like obsessed with. She's a podcaster, she's amazing, she's so funny.
Speaker 2:Where was this?
Speaker 3:The Paramount.
Speaker 2:Okay, got it.
Speaker 3:She had a live comedy show. And it was so cool because you so rarely see influencers go that far in life that they start touring off of their Instagram fan base and having this comedy show and it was. That's our goal over here. Let's go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can do anything, she was on stage by herself, like she did a whole show, just like by herself on stage. And the funniest thing too was she had like VIP meet and greet and Jane and I walked up to the venue. It was my second time hanging out with Jane. It was like a new friendship and Jane was like watch this, I'm gonna get us backstage and we're gonna meet her and I'm like I don't know, jane, like I'm not really like a rule breaker, like that.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:And I don't even know how it happened, but you got us to meet her Believe baby.
Speaker 3:Everything is energy. I believed we were gonna meet her and be there Like it had to happen. We got so dressed up, we were so looking forward to it and, truly by accident, we didn't know that there was gonna be a VIP meet and greet and I just couldn't afford for us to live our lives and not have that moment. It's something like a moment, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was a memory too right Like this is a memory where I could see that you're both engaged to the memory Two very different perspectives but also at the same time it was memorable in the same way, right Like I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:So fun it was. And you know, since we keep our like podcast kind of Austin based, yeah, you know, what I think is really funny is Jane and I first became friends on a boat in like Travis, on like Travis, but it was like a mutual. Our friend Arjen, Okay, invited me. And it was like our mutual friend group.
Speaker 2:I think I remember this boat invite Cause I wasn't invited. You were not, I was not invited, okay.
Speaker 3:We didn't wanna be.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's fair, it was a vibe.
Speaker 3:I literally spent 90% of the time on other boats. I was having such a bad time and then the little time I spent on the boat like Cass, was the only person I like really vibed with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that was the thing. That boat invite was not meant for me. It was meant for more of y'all.
Speaker 3:It was a lot of women, it was a yacht, it was women and it wasn't about connection, yeah, and it wasn't about actually meeting people that you might have community with yeah, it was a lot of like male ego just inviting as many women as they could invite and because everyone knew that it didn't really lend itself to like a lot of positive female interaction or a lot of positive female male interaction on that boat. Luckily there was a like Latin boat next to us which was such a vibe. I had a great time on there.
Speaker 2:But I think that's a little bit telling too, because, do remember, while we also love that this is Austin based, as far as our platform giving you the ability to talk about misconceptions and a little bit more about your story, think about the way in which that male ego can play into dating in certain ways, of course, and I'm sure y'all probably walked away from that boat thinking I do not want to date any of these men on this boat. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they're all doctors.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Surgeons no.
Speaker 2:And maybe it's the moment right. But also I think there's something to say that, in a moment that was probably not most fitting for y'all to maybe meet or establish your first kind of interaction, you both walked away friends, yeah. You really did. That's healthy and that speaks volume about you both too.
Speaker 3:You know she was sweet. She was like I sat down. I don't know if I looked hungry, but she offered me a snackables PB&J, oh but I don't know the little family. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Crestables, and that was like.
Speaker 3:Uncrestable. Thank you, like the only person who's like offering me something other than drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 1:It's the five year old and me, I'm like she's the peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Speaker 2:I feel, I envision this moment.
Speaker 3:We shared a crustable of me taking friends.
Speaker 2:I envision the moment with Cass, just like her bag, like hold on, are you hungry, give me one second going in her bag. It was innocent. Did she have multiple options of food?
Speaker 1:No, only PB&J, because I'm five in my head.
Speaker 2:She came to my pool one time she had like a sandwich, it's like chips, pretzels. I was like Cass, like where's the two year old? That's here.
Speaker 1:She's everything. I embraced, my inner style. I love it. That's what I loved about Jane, though, because when I met her and I know you've seen this, Roger the Austin like boat scene.
Speaker 2:Oh it's.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's like a place where you're gonna usually find like really genuine connections.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And like, I think, within like the first five minutes of meeting Jane, she told me she was a dancer.
Speaker 2:But you see, that's a part of the story that we wanna get into, because if that's something that she told you, I think for me, for context, like I wanna make sure I understand, where did you grow up? Like, tell me about home, because I'm, while I live in Austin, I'm originally from New York and I think there's parts of that that have come out in other episodes and you may hear it if you ever have the chance to go out with me and have a drink.
Speaker 3:Explained the swagger.
Speaker 2:My New York style.
Speaker 3:I have to admit, this man has so much style. Yes, Very thankful it's not an Austin theme, and I'm style.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you you should see his closet. Oh yeah, I would love to, I would really love to.
Speaker 2:It is, it's a thing. But I gotta give credit to where credit is due my older brother and sister. They can dress.
Speaker 3:Okay, they can dress, that's important.
Speaker 2:My mom too, my mom's got it going on.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, you get it from somewhere.
Speaker 1:That's Jane, though she's always and you're asking her where she's from. But she's always dressed up, and I feel like there must be a cultural difference, or she just has it, because people in Austin do not dress up, and this woman's always dressed to the 10s. So you too, though you're like, you got both of you, you got this. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3:So cute. Okay, where I grew up, I moved a lot. Growing up I'm a military kid. My dad was a doctor and lieutenant colonel in the army.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow the.
Speaker 3:US army. He is Puerto Rican. My mom is Korean. I was born on the army base in Panama City, Panama, like South America.
Speaker 2:And thank you for his service.
Speaker 3:Oh, thank you. Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 3:Because we're all enjoying freedom.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And what the world, being the state of it, is. We often don't realize how fragile safety is.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we take it for advantage.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we get to enjoy that off of people losing their mental health, losing their physical health, and it's beautiful to be grateful for that. That's all they want too. They do it for us, yeah. So, this is great. It's good to be in America. We're so blessed Hell yeah.
Speaker 3:I was born in Panama. I moved a lot on the army bases around the world and I ended up going to high school in San Antonio, texas. I then went to college here in UT Austin, okay, and then I graduated early and then I went straight to South Korea. My parents had moved to South Korea when I was 17, so I was here by myself during that time.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:And my mom. She felt, if I can be frank, and that's what the podcast is about.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is what it's about.
Speaker 3:If I can be frank, america when my dad was working as a doctor and lieutenant colonel, my family had a lot of respect. You know I never knew racism at that time. I'm very sensitive and emotional, so forgive me in my emotions.
Speaker 2:Racism is live and well.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I can give you some experiences myself, but please, I want to hear your Of course, like people think that racism isn't alive because we're appreciating hip hop, we're appreciating K-pop, we're appreciating fashion and Netflix shows, but racism is very much alive, let me tell you, oh yeah. Today, very present day.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Just because some people are borrowing what's cool and sexy from other cultures doesn't mean they're actually appreciating. Yeah what our people and history have been through. So my dad, unfortunately, was a prisoner of war. He was tortured and electrocuted for being in the US. Yeah, thank you, yeah. And when he came back, the US military sent him to rehab in DC for a year. My mom and I had no idea what was going on. You know from my mom. She was a Korean woman who married an American, puerto Rican, but still American.
Speaker 2:For sure officer.
Speaker 3:My dad took care of everything from my mom and I. Her English is conversational. She didn't grow up here. Same thing for any of us If we were to go to Poland.
Speaker 2:You don't know the system there, so my mom it was a level of lack of like, yeah, so we had no idea what was going on.
Speaker 3:The military is just like your husband's in Washington DC. We'll send him back to you in 10 months. We're like interesting. When he came back, he was not the same person. Wow, and my mom and I became full-time caregivers. We were no longer living on the military base and we were just civilians in the American public. Wow, and that's when, like, I experienced racism for the first time and I sought for my mom too. I stood up for my mom a lot. My mom is so beautiful and such a queen she lets her roll off of her.
Speaker 3:She's just like you, basic people.
Speaker 3:I don't know what you think you know, but for me I'm like that's my mom and I don't really grow up seeing people talk like that to my mom. You're not going to talk to my mom like that. You're never going to look down on us. She speaks two languages. How many languages do you speak? You're not going to look down on us. I'm very feisty like that. I protect people I love. So it didn't bother my mom, but it bothered me a lot, and separately. A bigger issue than that was when my dad was active duty. Keep in mind my dad's a doctor. When my dad was active duty, he had very good healthcare. But when you're retired from the military, you go to the VA hospital.
Speaker 2:Oh, it changes, completely, it changes.
Speaker 3:Like, oh, you're not working for us anymore, like let's just drug you. He would spend 20 hours a day sleeping. My mom and I would feed him and his head would be like nodding off. And it wasn't like that for a day or two. You guys, it was like that for so many years, like seven years, and my mom and my dad felt like no, I've served the army, I've served America, they're going to take care of me. It wasn't like that. And him being a doctor himself, he was like no, it's working, the Western medicine is working. And my mom would beg him like please try Eastern medicine. Like this isn't good for you, they don't respect us anymore. Like you've got to quit believing in the system. So she had asked me and I feel I kind of regret this now she had asked me when I was in middle school and high school. Like let's move to Korea. But for me I was a kid and so I was like I don't want to go to Korea. Like I don't, I didn't grow up there.
Speaker 2:But it's perspective too, right Like you can't take away the idea that you were a child. I was a child, you know.
Speaker 3:So she waited until I graduated high school.
Speaker 2:Gotta be fair to yourself.
Speaker 3:Thank you, yeah, so I graduated high school after my junior year so that I could go to college early and then she could take my dad to Korea to get help. So they were there and I stayed here. I finished college and she would tell me you know, at that time I was considering going to med school and I'd taken my MCATs and everything, which was really hard, and I spent all my college years like being this really good pre-med student. I wasn't a party girl Like what. It depends on your major. What your experience is at like is like at UT, but if you have a very difficult major, you don't really get to do that like party girl lifestyle.
Speaker 3:Sure the figure baby lifestyle that I hear about now.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:Like I can't really. I was working, I was a medical assistant, I was an EMT, yeah, I was making sure I got good grades. I was signing up for like shadow doctors and things like that to look good on my med school application, you know. But my mom, she saw how much my dad suffered being a doctor and how unhealthy America was and she also felt that I needed to be around people who literally just looked like me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And she told me like you know, you're graduating from college, you don't need to be in America anymore, come to Korea. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to give it a year, and I expected to come back, to be honest. But when I moved there I could see that she was right. Like there, I didn't even know. You know, like when you're a fish in water, you know, so you're surrounded by water.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that I was constantly feeling less than.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I was in America until I went to Korea and I was around people who looked like me and they thought it was cool that I spoke English and it was like my first. I didn't know that I had gone so far in life. Yeah, not feeling like a part of the community that's around me, always feeling like an outsider, and so I stayed. I realized I needed friends. So, like when I was in college my friends would joke about me being their Miss Korea. So I was like I'm going to run for Miss Korea and I didn't do it. I was like I'm not going to go far. I'm five foot four. Those girls like in beauty patterns are usually pretty tall, you know, and they like usually train for it and things like that. I was just like I'm just going to sign up for it because I just wanted to make friends. Literally, I was living two kilometers south from North Korea yeah, like we were not in Seoul, my family and I, when I went over there. So I signed up for it just to like make some friends.
Speaker 2:And maybe for me it's like when you're not living in Seoul and where you were living. What does that mean? Like what?
Speaker 1:does that come with Right?
Speaker 2:I think, when people think North.
Speaker 1:Korea. There's like a.
Speaker 2:You were saying you were living by the border.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, but living by the border, what does that come with? Is there like you have to be more careful, or do you have to be more alert, or it's very safe. Okay.
Speaker 3:However, korea is very mountainous, it's a peninsula, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm a contextual guy, like I got, I got to get the holes for sure, oh, for sure it's very farmland. Okay.
Speaker 3:The area we were at, okay, and my aunt has a farm too, like lots of cows, okay. So Korean people love to hike. Look, there's lots of mountains. People love to get up there in the mountains. It's especially great for older people and they love to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And the one. It's very safe. In fact, incheon Gak, which is a Korean how can I say? Like roller coaster place, is next to the border, like there's like a play land next to the border. On our side, south Korea side, however, there's also military with like barbed wire fence, of course, because you can't go there and they also should not come here.
Speaker 3:Of course we hear about like Eunmi Park, like the refugee you know that she escaped, but like it's a lot for them to North Koreans to escape, like Because in North Korean culture and you know Korean culture in general very family and generational oriented and Ubi Park was North Korea. She's North Korean. She escaped with her mom. She saw her mom get raped in front of her, which I know is an ugly topic, but like that's what it, that's what it takes, because those guards aren't gonna just let you in to be a good person.
Speaker 3:Yeah you got to bribe them, you got to do something and also you better make it because and you better not get caught because should you not Make it with?
Speaker 2:your family emotional to like here or even think about that stuff like it's just it's a lot.
Speaker 3:Should you not make it, they will not only damn you and make an example of you, they'll make an example of your entire family. Yeah in the city center. So it's a lot the South Korea guys. I just find though.
Speaker 3:Yeah but you should be careful when you're hiking the mountains. There's one story when I was there of an older lady she might have been hard of hearing because she was hiking the mountains that of the North and South Korean border on the South Korean side and the Army guys on the megaphone. Our military is mandatory for all men in Korea. Okay, yeah, I like saying hey, don't get any closer to the the border. Yeah we'll have to shoot you. And she just kept going and they will shoot you not because they want to.
Speaker 2:But so that helps me and understand. So you're living closer and closer to the border, which is. Those are shared experiences, potentially that you could have based upon just even those examples, right like. What. I don't want to interrupt you there, but it's like what, what made you move right, like if you got yourself there and you feel like this level of welcome, well, like this welcoming experience you stayed longer than you anticipated like why leave?
Speaker 3:why did I come back to Austin?
Speaker 1:I want to touch on some other stuff. Yeah first Sorry, roger. No, no, no but like I just think you're such a beautiful soul and You're always so grateful and you're always practicing gratitude and whenever I'm like in my own head or like really down, you're always like reminding me of Gratitude and I just can't help but think that, like being so close to like North Korea and everything that's going on there has had to influence your perspective on what gratitude is.
Speaker 1:Oh, for sure and then the other thing I want to touch on, because you know former pageant girl here in some ways Because she was talking about you did the Miss Korea pageant, did that? Was that? How did that go for you? Because I know you said you were trying to make friends and you know you came back to Austin, as Roger was saying. But how did that? How was that experience it?
Speaker 3:was a really cool experience because I never had Asian Girlfriends growing up. I was always the only one like I was saying, like always feeling like an outsider, a different or other than, and so it was really cool. You know, like all it's the little things like oh, you should do your makeup like this because our faces are like this, you know. Or you should dress like this because, like it's more flodding on body types like ours, like it was a beautiful, like girly fun Energy, and I think I wasn't competition for them. I saw some cattiness between them, but I was. Everyone knew I wasn't gonna win Miss Korea Because I lived there for two months. Yeah, you know what I mean? It was just. I think it was just an interesting story for everyone. Like, why is this Puerto Rican Korean girl who just moved from America Running in this? Yeah, so, but it was. I was so grateful to be a part of it.
Speaker 2:And you think that helped you at all.
Speaker 3:I love that you did it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you should see the photos.
Speaker 1:I see the photos of her from the pageant I'm like oh my gosh, she's so beautiful, but I just like, as a woman, it's such a. You have to be so confident. Yeah that type of thing and put yourself out there and congrats yeah.
Speaker 3:Doing that yeah that's huge. Yeah, it's interesting because I don't know if it's cuz I grew up as the only Asian girl and the communities I grew up in. But I didn't feel pretty, even though people told me I was pretty, because it always came with like a oh, you're so pretty.
Speaker 2:Like a backhanded girl.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, and I was like, oh, I guess Asian girls aren't beautiful. I don't know like where I started forming this belief. So then when I was there and I saw like Asian girls being like pretty and like nice and like everything, it was like it healed a part of like that wound inside of me. Yeah some reason it was nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting because, like, I've even heard that, like being around you, like some some of our girlfriends have said things before like oh, jane gets so many guys because she's Asian and there's not so many Asian guys or girls, sorry, in Texas, and I've heard people say things like that and I know you've heard it as well, and to me it's not something that I even thought of, like how that actually like Affects someone. You know, because to me you're just a beautiful Woman, but then it's kind of backhanded, I feel like when you're saying, yeah, I was of XYZ.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's almost like if I wasn't Asian and I was more like Caucasian American looking. I also want to do a side track and say that, like Latin Americans so sorry, no, you're good Latin Americans who have served the military, black Americans who have served the military and Asian Americans who still American join, who have served the military, no one deserves to Be called American more than us. Like our families. I've literally sacrificed so the term like Asian American or Latin American, because even though I don't look very Puerto Rican, I am half Puerto Rican.
Speaker 3:Yeah like I hate that I think, like I am also Korean and Puerto Rican, but I'm also American, and like my dad, literally, is disabled from Serving in this country. I don't want to hear anything ever about my family being less than I. Won't stand for it. So whenever people are like, oh, like you're pretty for an Asian girl or guys like you, cuz you're Asian, it makes me feel like so if I didn't have slanted eyes, like I'm, nothing about me is valuable. Yeah like that's funny.
Speaker 2:I think you bring up something interesting and like I I'll put it to your point where there's some stigmas, right, like I think it's almost hard for people to understand the level of dimension that you can come with Just because you don't look like somebody right, like I'm from New York. Everyone thinks I'm from the inner city of New York, where they are correct to some degree, but I also did Go to school in New Jersey. I was raised in other other places other than the city, but naturally people are gonna put you in a box that makes sense to them, right? So I think sometimes, a little bit like what I feel like I'm hearing is when someone can say to you all right, like you're pretty, but you're pretty for an Asian girl. It's like, well, what does that mean? It's like I'm pretty for the box of Asian that you understand or the box of Asian American that you understand right which is so different right, and usually they're, they're tied to epitomies and it's just unfair.
Speaker 2:So I'm sorry that you've had that experience.
Speaker 2:Okay but at the same time, yeah, it's, it brings you to a level of gratitude and being grateful. So I think it's just, it's very interesting to hear for me, one Male to male and female, right like there's a different experience that you have versus myself. But also I share a Puerto Rican descent and I would love to, it's nice for me to hear from somebody else, right, that you've had some of that shared experience or it aligned with you, not because that's fun or anyone should experience it, but just to know I'm not going fucking crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, definitely. And people want to say things like oh well, you don't look very Puerto Rican. It's like all Puerto Ricans, are mixed. Oh, that's, we were colonized you know there's no such thing as it. Who is a pure Puerto Rican? Jlo, that's not true. Yeah it's from a hundred. Her 23 me would go off the charts and just like that, no one's American yeah you know?
Speaker 3:oh, I did mine and it's crazy yeah you were all mixed and that's what makes it beautiful. And yeah, as much as I stand up for like oh, you will not make anyone feel less than I also have to like back up myself and say that I get defensive because I just I really love people and I really love us being a community and being there for each other and being less superficial and sharing love, like not to get too deep and like randomly sidetracked. But I was having a phone call with my friend on the way here to restore my faith in humanity because so many people want to Think that life is about Making money, looking hot, getting things, and it's like you really live for that.
Speaker 3:Yeah you really live to be that separate and better than than your fellow human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, it's like that also brings me to another point where you can connect some of your history and a little bit about you and I hear it and I learn more about it, and it sounds not only interesting but it helps me to understand you. Do you think like you're given that same stage in your dating experiences, like do you think that your perspective alters your dating experience?
Speaker 1:I think you have to preface this too, though, because Tying in your career right now yeah, I mean absolutely.
Speaker 3:Oh, with, this is a cannonball, I know.
Speaker 1:And I'm so cautious of this too, because the first thing I asked Jane is are you gonna let me talk about you being a dancer? Yeah and she's so open with it and that's why I gravitated towards her. When I first met her, I was like this woman is so vulnerable. Right off the bat, she was so confident in herself. She had no worry about telling me that she was a dancer. She didn't worry about how I was gonna judge her, perceive her. She was like this is who I am, this is what I do.
Speaker 2:She's like it's fun, like come see me, like Showed me her shoes which is the way it should be right, like I had nothing you should be ashamed of, but if you're gonna lie About it, then there should be another conversation and then people have the right to judge and feel the way they feel and I'm a woman that's kind of like fascinated with dancing.
Speaker 1:Okay, like I've done like all the dancing classes, yeah, I like. I just think it's so like fascinating and such a fun like glitzy Girlie kind of world in some ways that I was asking you like all the questions about it.
Speaker 2:I feel like there's a level of empowerment, like it's it to me. I respect it wholeheartedly, but I just I get very confused when people lie about it, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I understand the lying, because I used to lie. Yeah, I started dancing and I I Truly thought in the beginning of my journey I will go to my grave with this got it. I'm gonna make my money. Yeah, make up what I lost during coveted, which I might get into later, might not, but let's move past it for a second. Sure, and go to my grave. Never telling when this I was like. I am especially never telling my husband this my future husband.
Speaker 3:Yeah and then I remembered this book that I read by Sam Harris, who's a great modern philosopher, called lying, and it's a book about the butterfly effect of the truth and the butterfly effect of lies. Yeah and how we think that these little white lies Don't change anything and are convenient. And it's a beautiful book.
Speaker 3:Everyone should read, or at least listen to segments of it, even if it's like a 10 minute overview on youtube, because it's about how You're not only screwing over Other people when you deny them the truth, you're screwing over yourself. Yeah, and you know, jordan Peterson I love modern philosophers also talks about how he's never he's you know, counseled hundreds of people was a Harvard professor and he talks about how he's never met someone who could get away with something. Yeah in their conscious.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah and it really, and I started to feel that way as a dancer, I felt shame, I felt like trash, if I can be very vulnerable of course.
Speaker 2:I also felt like we've all lied and have experiences similar, but right, and that's so true too.
Speaker 3:People always act like being a dancer is like very other than experience, but it's so human, because who hasn't felt Like they had something to be embarrassed about? Who hasn't felt like Am I good enough, am I okay? Yeah you know like I'm in my journey of trying to make it as an adult, just like all of us, and like Am I deserving? Could I really tell the truth about myself and still be loved and accepted by people? Yeah, and lying is a huge act of Not self-love. I don't know how else to say that.
Speaker 2:No, it's healthy.
Speaker 3:Whereas telling the truth is an act of self-love, because when you tell the truth in your brain, you're saying I deserve to be loved and to be accepted. Yeah even though I'm not perfect and everyone has to come to that healthy place of like. I am not perfect, I have room, I have to grow, but damn, I still deserve love. There's something good inside of me that no one can take away, and I won't deny myself trying to make me cry, jane. I will not deny myself true friendship by hiding who I am. No, I.
Speaker 2:I would even say to like your point, where it's just like Everybody like you have such an open heart and you talk about like wanting to restore your faith in humanity and having that phone call with your friend. It's like hearing you speak and hearing you discuss it in that way. It's like even that closed-minded shift that I may just have had, where it's like tough for me to understand if someone wants to lie, but then you're right. It's like we've all lied about things.
Speaker 2:Of course, not only have we all lied about things, we've all had to face the truth and something. And when you do, guess what you? There are people that you've hurt and there are people that you have to apologize to, and there are some people you don't have the chance to apologize to just because it is what it is. But Really living in that truth, I mean it's it's, it's an act of self-love and it's hard to. It's hard to face right like I. Just, I respect you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3:I respect you too.
Speaker 2:I don't think you understand how much that can affect people in the audience, but also even us, right like I. Just I love the way you Annunciated that, or or vocalized it.
Speaker 3:Thank you for giving me the chance to yeah again.
Speaker 1:That was so beautiful because even Roger and I were talking about this the other day and I was telling him some things. Roger knows a lot about me a lot about me, like I tell him every pretty much everything All this did. Oh, what a beautiful friend People. You can tell everything too. Yeah, I tell him, like all the dirty laundry I'm like.
Speaker 1:I did this, but I'm not like this anymore and I was telling him about this guy I was dating and I was like, but I don't want to tell him about x and I don't want to tell him about this.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Roger's like, all that stuff's cool with me, though, because he accepts accepts me for who I am and it's like, why would I even want to date someone that I don't feel safe telling those things too, because it's that version of lying to myself. So what you're saying I just like if, like it encompasses so many things that I've been experiencing personally. I know you've been experiencing, but it's like because it goes both ways.
Speaker 2:I tell you everything and in those moments when I do tell her everything, it's like not only a stress is like pulled off my shoulder. There's something that's rewarding about it, right? Yes?
Speaker 3:it's a level. Yes, you want freedom in life that doesn't come from money. Yeah or people liking you. It comes from the inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:The thing that.
Speaker 1:I struggle with. With this, though, is like the concept of, like different versions of myself, right. Yeah sometimes there's like versions of like past me that are so not me anymore. I feel like I've shed that skin.
Speaker 2:I hear.
Speaker 1:I've really shed that skin, so then it's like I don't want to bring up these things from my past, isn't?
Speaker 2:that shitty when, like people, make you live in that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it. But if a Jane might be on to something, it's a part of your Truth.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It is. Yeah, I think that that's Okay. Yeah, you know what? Because I'm going through a lot in my dating life right now.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 2:The juicy shit yeah.
Speaker 3:Juicy he.
Speaker 1:He's kind of trying to make life of some heavy shit.
Speaker 3:Well, we have differing opinions.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:I mean. I also understand him, though, because and let me preface this by saying like I might be father-along in my inner work journey, but that doesn't make me better than anyone.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:Because they might be father-along in their fitness journey. They might be father-along in their money journey, absolutely. You know something like we're all got our strengths and weaknesses. So my guy that I was dating, he's not as far along in his inner journey, and so he felt like Most guys aren't. Most guys aren't.
Speaker 2:It takes a traumatic experience to get there.
Speaker 3:I love a man who is, and let me tell you, in this world, there is nothing more beautiful than a man who's gonna work on his inside.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I went to an event on Sunday it was a potluck and my friend Ashley and I we met this guy who, when we visually saw him, he wasn't either of our types, but he sat down and talked to us while we were eating in the potluck and he was.
Speaker 2:He was everybody's type.
Speaker 3:He was everyone's type Hard-eyed, Hard-eyed. Both was like oh my God.
Speaker 2:Who is this man?
Speaker 3:Who is this man Like? He has a girlfriend and girl he's dating, but he was so lucky and we all know it because he did the inner work and he just got so attractive because we felt safe around him.
Speaker 3:And I don't think that men understand that. There's nothing sexy for us as women when we have to clam up and you guys don't like it when we're like that either but you owe it to yourself and us to make it safe for us so that we can relax, and that is very masculine and in that way, there's nothing more masculine than going to therapy. Reading books on love, reading books on how to hold space and be there for people and be the bigger person.
Speaker 3:Like that is a man Tell me how much money you have, I don't care what your body looks like. If you do not hold space for a woman, if you can't say hey, what do you need right now? If you can't say like I'm hurt but I know that you're hurt too and I want us to resolve this Like what's it gonna take? You're not a man, don't you dare call yourself a man. You you hurt. You either heal or you hurt. Yeah, you'll be a step up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like the man has to be so strong and like emotionally regulated yeah. And I feel like cause. I feel like women, we're a little bit more hormonal and emotional and we move like water. So if we're throwing all this at you, I feel like the man's gotta be a little bit calmer to be able to handle it and that's. You have to do that like self care, self love, introspection, to be able to be that space for a woman.
Speaker 3:Of course. Let me tell you something Women are multipliers.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Whenever guys like what do you bring to the table? I'm like I can multiply you. Yeah, they're multipliers, right.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 3:So I will multiply everything about you, you know, let me be vulgar for a second, because I'm kind of like that, like, if you, come inside of me, I will multiply and give you children. Yeah, you give me bad energy, I will multiply that back to you. If you give me good energy, I will make a home for you.
Speaker 3:I'll be the best life of your life and ride for you and stand up for you. I'll dress you better. We'll get healthier together. I will mold a good woman and I'll give it up to guys, cause I have a lot of guy friends. I know that there's some bad women out there, but that's a girl Just like how we and we need to talk more about this how there's like real men and there's little boys. There's also real women who handle life and can really be there for you and ride for you, and there's little girls, you know, and if you meant her like, oh, there's no good woman out there, it's cause you're rewarding little girls. If you want to stand next to a real woman, she will multiply everything you hand to her and that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 3:I think it's a very good mirror for men when they're like all women are bad. I'm like that's really interesting.
Speaker 2:You know, that leads us to one of our or leads me to one of our questions from the podcast that we like to make sure we ask everybody of. What is the biggest misconception about you? Cause, like, you're delivering such great truth, encapsulating things in such a good way, opening up my perspective, which, I'd like to say, is easy but also hard. I'm very open but at the same time, like it just it takes a certain level of me understanding and hearing somebody. I hear you very well and you're definitely approaching topics in a good way. I think it's helping me to highlight conversations that we've had. But what is the biggest misconception about you? Because, if you're offering all of these jewels and pearls and knowledge on the podcast today, is there anybody else in the world that doesn't see you that way?
Speaker 1:Like, I know I'm on this. I'm like how can you not see how beautiful?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it yeah.
Speaker 3:I think the biggest misconception about me.
Speaker 2:Cause she talks very highly of you and you match all of that energy that she talks about you with. I love her too. So it's like, yeah, please take it away.
Speaker 3:I think the biggest misconception about me is that I'm very strong and I don't need anyone. You know, I'm a human too. Like all the strength I've had, I've had my experiences work out my resilience to get to this point. But I'm human too. I need to be held too. I need people in my life to hold space for me and let me be vulnerable. I need guidance sometimes too, Like I'm not perfect. I'm not above saying that, because I actually want to be my best and, yeah, I think a big people see me even though I'm very small, framed like I'm a hundred pounds, I'm five or four Like people see me as very strong and they tell me that all the time.
Speaker 3:but like I don't, you know, want to be strong all the time too. I want to like, relax and have fun too.
Speaker 2:There's something that you're touching on that I want to make sure we dive into. It sounds like you have a very large risk appetite.
Speaker 3:I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you'll take on large risk, but you're also rewarded in large ways. So if you want to dive into some of the other topics that you can about ways in which you have been rewarded in large ways, that's great as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But do you think that that plays a part in your dating Like? If you are able to have that large risk appetite, will you take on more of a man project than you should? Will you multiply more than you want to Like? I mean, I want to give you the stage to answer it however you like, but how does that affect your dating life?
Speaker 3:I don't settle.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:And I think that's my big risk, like I've been talking.
Speaker 2:Does that make you move fast or no?
Speaker 3:Ooh, I do move fast, okay yeah.
Speaker 2:And that in the healthiest way possible for our audience. It's like stop the judgment world. I mean it in a way of like you'll know you're done and you're like you got to move to your next.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know when I'm done, but it doesn't mean I don't hurt. When it's over, I say that I won't settle. I say okay, I think this is my biggest risk.
Speaker 3:I've been offered marriage four times and all four guys were millionaires and I did not want to marry them, because I don't want to marry someone who wants to own me. I want to marry someone who wants to love me. And there's a really good book by Bell Hooks called All About Love, because we're so confused on what love is. It's a beautiful book, right, it is good, and she defines love, which is important to say, because I love tacos and it's not the same as I love you, because I don't.
Speaker 2:As good as that book is, it's tough because you reference it back in a lot of your experiences and then you start to say like nope, that's not good enough. Nope, that's not good enough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and maybe we should say like this situation needs more work. The thing about love is that it's infinite and love is about pouring into someone's spirit. That's what she defines love as Like I pour into your spirit. I don't pour into the spirit of tacos, but I pour into the spirit of my friends and family, my people trying to make sure you're okay. I want to pour into. I love you means I want to pour into you. I love you does not mean I want to take from you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Love you means I want to pour into you Like it matters to me that you're okay. I'm not okay if you're not okay. That's love. And a lot of the guys from my past that I've dated you know they might have taken care of me financially or even socially when it came to their ego and like wanting to make me their girl and protect me, but I didn't feel that they really cared to pour into my spirit and love and grow my spirit and heal me and I felt that they loved that I would do that for them. But I want love back.
Speaker 2:So you want reciprocity, I do yeah.
Speaker 3:And I would accept, like I think that's why it worked so hard to be financially stable, because I want real love and I deserve it and I don't need my. Of course, I would like us to have financial abundance, and that's not wrong to say, because just like I need a lot of health to have a good life and that is a resource I need a lot of money to have a good life, and that's a resource too. But I can, if I can contribute that way and my dude can a little less, that's okay. As long as we have real love and partnership, everything else is okay. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's what life is all about is love. It is. I think that, jane, you found me when I was like at like one of the lowest points of my life probably, and I was in such a dark place and like in our friendship, all you did was like pour love into me and show up for me. And I think people are too afraid to say I love you, whether it's to their friends or to someone they're dating, when really all you're saying is I want, I see the brightness in you and I want to pour into you. So I have a really hard time. Why people are confused, cause to all my friends I always say I love you, right, and that's just saying like what you're saying? Like I see you, I want to pour into you. And another friend of mine told me that if you want to receive love, you have to show up as love every day, right, like when you go to Starbucks, like you have to like smile at the barista and say hi and how's your day?
Speaker 2:Oh, I have the worst time with those folks on the side of the street that are like hey, do you care about? I'm like, yes, I care about it, but I'm walking the damn dog yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's real. That's okay. You don't owe them anything, but it also takes something to be like. I see you. I hope you have a good day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:That's what cause I'll go like head down throughout my day and I'll just like be in my own little world. And that's not showing up in the world, emitting a frequency of love. That's fear.
Speaker 3:There's no room for fear. There's no room in love for fear. It takes so much bravery and we all want it and that's so cool, Actually. I'm sorry, I can't have to. That's so cool to think that, like for the most precious thing in the world, all we have to do is overcome that fear.
Speaker 2:That's it. Yeah, and like it, I don't even have anything to say, you're both just saying it, right. Yeah, you keep going, cause I'm rocking with your message right now.
Speaker 1:Jane. She took me to this dating event at Julia Kuyah. It's like a healing kind of like cold plunge place here in.
Speaker 2:Austin and we'll no longer be going to those and we're going to Thursday dating events from now on.
Speaker 1:Well, Kuyah is like a wellness center. So we went to an event at Kuyah and it was like a dating event, right? And the first thing I said when, like, we were like in this circle and we were meeting new people is, this guy looked at me because we were sitting across from people going in a dating circle and the first thing I said to him was I don't want to be seen, because we had to sit there and make I don't know if you remember this, but it made prolonged eye contact and the first thing I said to him was I really don't want to be seen right now.
Speaker 2:Like my eye contact. It's too tough sometimes, like I like look through people, so I have to like look off and then look back and then it makes me look bad. I'm like you don't want these eyes Like you want it.
Speaker 1:But for me that was like such a profound experience and like what you're saying, like with me walking heads down and like realizing that I didn't truly want to be seen. You know, and if you don't want to be seen, how are you going to receive love? Do you want, do you feel like you're deserving of love? Oh no, we could do a whole podcast.
Speaker 2:She just hit you with a reverse uno card.
Speaker 1:We could do a whole podcast episode on this, but recently I just stopped seeing someone that I don't even know, if I want to call it, seeing I had been in this long cycle and you know who it is. So I'm talking about entanglement.
Speaker 2:He fumbled the bag. He sounds great, but I just don't know. I don't get it. I can't defend him.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter. From day one I knew this person was emotionally unavailable and I continue to try to pour into someone who I've been on his team since day one.
Speaker 2:I hope he hears this.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. He's not emotionally available, so I knew that I was obviously going after someone who's emotionally unavailable. So it's like I clearly must not be that emotionally available. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think if I could offer my two cents and just what you want when did this become Cass's therapy session no I? Think you did a good thing here, which is like on the podcast you ask a question, right, and you have every right to ask a question. As much as this is a stage for you, it is for us as well.
Speaker 3:It is, but I think you do.
Speaker 2:You definitely do right, and we all do, and to everybody in the audience, they do as well.
Speaker 2:I think there's something that is important about where I say I defended this guy. It's like I defended him because you offered a lot of opportunities for him to be seen and you kept giving him every opportunity for a safe space to be seen, and sometimes us males do need that a little bit more. Right Like I know, I've had states where vulnerability was not my strong suit. I've had states where being emotionally healthy was not my strong suit. I've had moments where I was on that brink of like, hey, there's a version of either I'm healing or I'm hurting right, and maybe I was doing, hurting and not even. Maybe I was hurting and not healing and offering that frequency to life. You offer this guy every opportunity to exist on that right path and I think the answer is you do deserve love. Just don't let that dilute your experience or change the way in which you want to experience love, because you did a wonderful job, like a bang up job, and you deserve all the credit in the world and you really have to accept that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I saw someone hurting, I suppose, and I tried to pour love somewhere where they didn't want it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I held space.
Speaker 1:You're putting mulch on cement For that person where, if they wanted to step up, they could have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a beautiful thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:I regret loving someone and the thing is as quickly as I switched, I started putting the love back on myself. I realized, like all it is is that how much damn love you were giving out. Yes, how much damn love I was giving out is how much love is inside of me.
Speaker 2:Yeah Of course I love that.
Speaker 3:It's also a beautiful thing to love, even when it fails. Yeah, it's like sometimes you can go through periods when you're hurting.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And you, just like you said, hoody down, just like I'm gonna work on myself, you know, and you start saying very false beliefs and you're like, fuck everyone, yeah. And then you meet someone who brings out, shines your light in a dark room.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And then you're like damn, I forgot I could feel this, and that is something to be grateful for. Oh yeah, it's like, yeah, it turned on the light inside of you.
Speaker 2:This is the conversation we had over brunch.
Speaker 1:That's what's so. Fun is like when you're seeing the world in black and white and then you meet someone and you kind of start seeing the world in color again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Jane was like that for me, though, so that's like a different form of love.
Speaker 2:I think you I mean there's versions of you. That is that for not only her but me. I mean. Look at the stage right now on the podcast. There's so many great things that you're saying on here that I cannot tell you the level of appreciation that I have.
Speaker 1:No, I can't. I'm telling you. I told Roger so many times. I think, you have got to get Jane on because it's going to be so beautiful.
Speaker 2:And we're team receipts over here If you ever need to see the receipts, we got them.
Speaker 2:But I mean, cass, you've been that as well. You have been so amazing to my healing journey and so amazing to helping me see that color again, because it's tough, right Like mind you, there's also other people that have been in my life Like I have an amazing person that's in my life now who has been a part of that as well. But it's hard to find those qualities after you've been what you feel like duped from somebody else in the world, no matter the experience partnership, friendship, business it hurts. It hurts and pain is real. But when you go through it, rather than like box it in and avoid it or try to get even or try to hurt somebody or try to get back at them, those are all the wrong ways and you have to go through it. And when you go through it you come out so much better. So it's just, it's nice the way again you said it to be able to see the world in color again. It's like you have that experience. You just loved the wrong man, that's it.
Speaker 1:And you know what's interesting is like loving someone who wasn't meant for me. I've never looked at myself harder in the mirror. It felt like like I'm not saying that this person was my twin flame, but I don't know if you've ever heard of like a twin.
Speaker 2:He wasn't your 20, 20, 20?
Speaker 1:No, but like the concept of the twin flame, I feel like I really had to like look at myself in the mirror this last year and look at everything about myself and face everything about myself and get that reflected back in my face, and so I probably never had so much growth from putting my love in the wrong place.
Speaker 3:You know people say that love is like this honeymoon, honey phase. But no, like I'm reading this book right now. This is very cheesy and vulnerable because, as a 31 year old woman, you do not want to admit you're reading a book like this because you want to look cool. But let me not look cool for a second. I'm reading a book called Calling in the One, because it was so highly talked about, so recommended by Catherine Woodward Thomas, and she talks about how, in our parents' generation of getting married, it was all about like, okay, we need to survive, so we need to combine our resources.
Speaker 3:Someone needs to get through the house and someone needs the money, someone needs to do. You know it was just filling job roles Whereas, like in today's world, where you potentially can just be self-sufficient in like a task way, what we want out of our partner and love is for someone to help us meet our potential. And who said reaching your potential was comfortable? You know who said that it requires looking at all of it is good, all of my like. You said it requires looking at all of your flaws, all of the ways in which we knew to do better and we didn't do better, where we have no one to blame for our but ourselves, for holding ourselves back. And it also requires seeing these are all the good things about me and I need to keep shining that light brighter while working on taking away the darkness inside of me. And that's so beautiful, that makes life and love so worth it for all the shit we go through.
Speaker 2:you guys, I think something that like relates to why you thought she would be just so great on the podcast is really relative to what you just said there. I think you talk about ways in which our parents experience love and marriage right, and then there's a new version of that in the present reality. We're in our present day. Well, guess what? We are the ones going through that change and evolution process, and I think that's really where people don't give enough attention to what's happening in the dating world that we live in today, because we have parents judging it one way, and then we have us experiencing it another way, and then we have these new codes of conduct and rules that we have to adjust and abide by. To that we're like, wait, I was raised on something totally different, and then it just creates chaos and confusion. But in chaos and confusion you could really find something beautiful. So yes to your point, it is so beautiful.
Speaker 3:So beautiful.
Speaker 1:It is yeah, love is great.
Speaker 2:So what qualities do you look for in a person? I mean, we've talked about not only a little bit of your story, we talked about a little bit of kind of some of the things you do for business, and if you want to dive into anything that we've already talked about in the past, by all means take the stage at any given moment. But we also dived into some of the wisdom that you have, ways in which you've gotten it, which is revealing.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's so much on Jane and Jane's story. We're not going to get the touch because we're going to have to wrap it up. But what I do want to say is there's so many other topics I want to cover with her, so we're going to get her back on the podcast too, because Jane also had.
Speaker 2:I'm over here like so interested.
Speaker 1:She literally had her own business in Korea as like a translator before she came here and she's so beautiful and she does so much healing therapies with plant medicine and therapy and journaling and self care and there's so many other points I really want to touch on with her. Actually, this weekend she like this coming weekend, she invited me to a plant ceremony to do like Aya and some other stuff and I really, really, really wanted to go.
Speaker 1:It's not going to work out. I'm going to have to go to one. You're going to maybe get you to go to one.
Speaker 2:I'm down, then we can get.
Speaker 1:Jane back on and talk about all of this. We're out of time for the show. We've got to wrap it up. Where can people say this? And I don't know if we should say this, but where can people go to stalk you on social media?
Speaker 2:Because they're going to want to learn more about you.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, I would just want to go look at her photos. She's so beautiful, she's so sweet.
Speaker 2:Cass is your biggest fan over here.
Speaker 3:You could go to Instagram just Jane Santiago Marini.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool. She posts the cutest stuff, and then we always close it out one way.
Speaker 2:There's only one way in which we close out the podcast.
Speaker 1:This is episode four or five, and I'm already like. This is so dorky, but I love it.
Speaker 2:It's so funny, though, because we have to follow in line with it. But for everybody next week that's watching this week, make sure you come back, because you know this is the one place where it's going down.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for coming on. We love you so much. Yes for having you, You're such a beautiful soul seriously so we appreciate you.
Speaker 2:Thank you for your time.
Speaker 1:Thank you Good.
