In the Lobby Podcast
Injecting Reality: The Truth Behind Facial Aesthetics, the Instagram Illusion, and Dating in Austin Ft. Injector Kitty
In today’s episode, we explore the intricate worlds of mental health, beauty, and the unexpected spiritual paths that tie into our daily lives. With a mix of humor and raw honesty, we delve into the transformative power of therapy and the unique kind of self-reflection that podcasting brings, almost like a therapy session in its own right.
This week, we’re spilling the tea with a special guest who ditched the conventional medical field for the creative realms of the beauty industry. She’s here to debunk myths and share the real deal about the fine line between aesthetic enhancement and ethical integrity. As we navigate through her professional and personal life, we uncover the deep emotional wisdom needed to defy societal judgments and the often misunderstood nature of her work in aesthetic nursing.
But that’s not all – we’re also getting real about love and relationships. Prepare to laugh and maybe even have an ‘aha’ moment or two as we dissect the challenges of working in caring professions, the unexpected impacts on romantic life, the intriguing role of star signs in dating today, and our experiences with dating in Austin. It's episode 8: Injecting Reality! This episode is your perfect Thursday pick-me-up!
You can follow Kathleen Killeen:
@injectorkitty
What Exactly is Human Design?
This spiritual technique will help you understand how you exert energy and make decisions.
https://www.myhumandesign.com/
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You can follow In the Lobby Podcast: @inthelobbypod
You can follow Cassandra Jean:
@paininmycass_
You can follow Roger Braxton:
@arrogee
In today’s episode, we explore the intricate worlds of mental health, beauty, and the unexpected spiritual paths that tie into our daily lives. With a mix of humor and raw honesty, we delve into the transformative power of therapy and the unique kind of self-reflection that podcasting brings, almost like a therapy session in its own right.
This week, we’re spilling the tea with a special guest who ditched the conventional medical field for the creative realms of the beauty industry. She’s here to debunk myths and share the real deal about the fine line between aesthetic enhancement and ethical integrity. As we navigate through her professional and personal life, we uncover the deep emotional wisdom needed to defy societal judgments and the often misunderstood nature of her work in aesthetic nursing.
But that’s not all – we’re also getting real about love and relationships. Prepare to laugh and maybe even have an ‘aha’ moment or two as we dissect the challenges of working in caring professions, the unexpected impacts on romantic life, the intriguing role of star signs in dating today, and our experiences with dating in Austin. It's episode 8: Injecting Reality! This episode is your perfect Thursday pick-me-up!
You can follow Kathleen Killeen:
@injectorkitty
What Exactly is Human Design?
This spiritual technique will help you understand how you exert energy and make decisions.
https://www.myhumandesign.com/
Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.
You can follow In the Lobby Podcast: @inthelobbypod
You can follow Cassandra Jean:
@paininmycass_
You can follow Roger Braxton:
@arrogee
bring trauma. I'm having conversation. I'm like hey, how's your fucking week?
Speaker 2:And sometimes you're just talking through your internal dialogue.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:Did you know? There's a study that just came out and I think it was a Harvard study. It was, the more you go to talk therapy and talk about your problems, the kind of worst it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe you start overthinking it. Yeah, you start overthinking it Totally. It's, to a degree, right. It's like you want to be self-aware of them. Yeah but then not. I think it's just about learning how to think differently. A lot of it.
Speaker 3:I quit. I took a break from going to therapy because I just felt like I was in this loop of complaining about the same shit and I told my therapist I was like I have to take a break and come back once I've made some improvement.
Speaker 1:I feel like I jumped started mine. I'm now doing just more. There's also a version, I think, where you're right. If you answer the same thing too many times, people then start to look at you in therapy like you don't get it Well, and also.
Speaker 2:Then you start to feel stuck.
Speaker 1:And then you will think exactly what's wrong with me.
Speaker 2:Why can't I uncover anything else? A lot of the therapy I do is not like now I'm in a coaching thing which is less talk therapy, because I found I was getting to the point where I was super self-aware of habits I had and uncovering them wasn't the issue. It was more like okay, how do I release them? And also just continuously getting into a depressive state. So how do we get out of that? And a lot of it's been about her helping me find my spirituality, because I think I didn't feel connected to that side of myself Because I'm not religious. I think she says you need to be connected to something bigger than yourself to truly be thriving.
Speaker 1:For sure, so a lot of it's a guide with spiritual practice.
Speaker 3:So you guys both do it virtual.
Speaker 1:I do virtual and mine is. I actually do it through better no better.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, is yours virtual.
Speaker 2:I did it. I was going in person, but ever since we started the three month coaching thing I'm going virtually, just because it's just easier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I like doing it in my own home. There was something she would do to me when I was there in person she would like align my chakra, like cleanse my aura and stuff.
Speaker 3:She's like real like. She's like, yeah, I love that Awesome.
Speaker 1:How'd you meet that?
Speaker 2:I got connected to her through my like primary care doctor, got it. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it is cool. There are some like parts that feel super uncomfortable, right.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Like just when it's all these like new things where you're like what's the point of this? Like I'll have homework. Like my homework last week was to like connect to like either like a magical creature or something and something like in nature, or like a God or goddess or something, and I'm like what the hell?
Speaker 1:Like okay, come on, golden retriever, that'll be me.
Speaker 2:She's like you could pick unicorns and I'm like sitting on my couch and I have this like unicorn safety and I'm like, okay, this is calling to me, we're going with unicorns. So like now it's like learning about the symbolism of unicorns and like how I am a unicorn. I don't know, it's just like it sounds a little like cuckoo, but that it's also really powerful in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love when, like Kathleen walked in here and she was like you know, I just came here to the podcast from therapy Cause I told her I was like get ready for round two 100%, because I kind of feel like that's like what podcast thing is Cause?
Speaker 3:you just kind of like sit and like open up and like therapy. Really it is yeah, and me and Roger were talking cause, like we, you know, we try so hard at this podcast and we put so much prep into everything and we prep so hard for every guest except for you, because we got drunk and stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, we had the best prep meeting.
Speaker 3:We had the best prep meeting where we were like literally drinking green beers on St Patrick's Day and I was telling you, I was watching Roger's mouth turn greener and greener.
Speaker 2:I know it was a process Like the phlegm got greener and greener.
Speaker 3:I was like I don't want my mouth to look like that, like if you're gonna find a husband if there's cute men.
Speaker 2:So you're gonna find a husband at Gibson Bar for sure, Cass. I don't think so.
Speaker 3:What are you? Did you see any of you guys? Cause I did it.
Speaker 2:I was like in dark homo and I wasn't actually like to get attention to any of them.
Speaker 3:I wasn't either. But then when we went to the East side which I never hang out over there I was like it's like a whole nother universe over here.
Speaker 2:It is it is.
Speaker 3:I'm not used to it. I go over there, so I feel like You'll get more of a mix of people?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, but I don't know. I really like it over there, but I was very confused Like no one was outside.
Speaker 1:No one was outside. We were outside, it was rainy.
Speaker 2:I've never seen that bar so dead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of your holiday, right, like saying I was kind of feeling like yeah, like I yeah.
Speaker 1:You're on your vine.
Speaker 3:I was like I have to embrace it. I'm like there's no hotter, like redhead to rock with in Kathleen. So but anyway, we're so excited to have you here, we got Kathleen Killing, Killing You're doing good.
Speaker 2:No, I'm trying, you're overthinking it.
Speaker 3:She was like don't emphasize the kill point, and I was like I'll try my best Like how do you annunciate your last name correctly?
Speaker 1:Just so that Killing.
Speaker 2:Killing yeah.
Speaker 3:Do we have Kathleen or do we have injector Kitty in the lobby? What do you guys?
Speaker 2:want. Like, who do you want to talk to? I mean, therapy. Round two is probably we want Kathleen.
Speaker 1:It's probably more, but I think your brand is it's dominant and you let's not shy away from.
Speaker 2:My brand, but I also have tried to be like pretty authentic in my brand.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:That I've created and not try to get you know to like. I've tried to present like who I am, I guess on the internet, and I just figure, like the people, that your people will gravitate towards you, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't have to like.
Speaker 1:You have to force them.
Speaker 2:Let go I just think you're not going to be successful if you're forcing this idea, like of someone that you really aren't, onto other people. Mobile People see through that you know.
Speaker 3:Mobile, I mean, and that's why I wanted you as a guest, because I started following you and I was like the content you're putting out is so cool and I can just tell so genuine Like I think one of the videos that really caught my eye on your page is you were like getting ready for a date and you were like showing the process, which we know is like a process which actually wasn't a date.
Speaker 2:Oh, it wasn't no. At the end I was like just think I'm going to a wedding by myself.
Speaker 3:Maybe I didn't watch it all the way through.
Speaker 2:No, it's fine to go. I think it's fine to go. A wedding by myself. Whose wedding? My good friend.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, congrats.
Speaker 2:It was fun.
Speaker 3:But I just like resonated with me because, like watching, like as a woman, it's such a process to get ready and we were talking about this yesterday. It's like if I'm going to put a full face of makeup on.
Speaker 1:We better go. Yeah, I mean shock on the last episode me learning about hair extensions.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, what? Oh yeah, my hair is a constant stream of anxiety in my life Like, especially like, having colored hair and then I have extension. So it's like you always have to like put color and then match the extension Are you going to leave it red? Are we going to go back to the we're going to do a shift soon and I'm like not going to disclose what that is, but mainly out of boredom.
Speaker 1:You got to keep them guessing.
Speaker 2:I do love my red hair, but it's like, yeah, out of boredom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's rocked like every hair color, I'm pretty sure. Like blonde black, I get bored?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get bored, and your hair really does like affect how you feel. I swear, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's why I wanted to bring you on too. It's letting people start treating you different.
Speaker 1:Oh 100%.
Speaker 3:Yes, I mean, you see how, like working with your clients cause you're an aesthetic injector yeah, like just the smallest things can make you feel so much better, whether you know some lip filler, some extensions, whatever it is and you're growing such a huge kind of following in Austin as like being one of the best injectors that, like the girls are wanting to go to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm seeing guys.
Speaker 3:Roger has like we got to get more guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know I'd be looking at some of these men's curves feet and I'm like, dear God, I want you in my chair. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Let me talk to you for a minute.
Speaker 3:I don't even think they know.
Speaker 1:They don't know, they have no clue.
Speaker 2:They don't know, they think they look great yeah.
Speaker 1:And now I've learned yesterday after we met, not to ask what work do you need?
Speaker 2:Well, if you mean it, if you're going to ask that genuinely and you're not going to get insulted, sure Like we can do a consult?
Speaker 3:I was scared yesterday. I'm not even going to lie Cause like before this.
Speaker 2:I don't want people to feel that way around me Like I don't want people to think I'm like sitting there over analyzing their face. No, but I kind of.
Speaker 1:We're like pre-warning your next day.
Speaker 3:I know I have been like Kathleen knew I wanted filler cause I told her I was like, yeah, like come on the podcast.
Speaker 2:If you tell me you want filler, you open up that I was like come on the podcast but also do my face.
Speaker 3:So then when I saw her yesterday I was like, I was like, don't look too hard.
Speaker 1:I walked away with.
Speaker 3:What do we need to do here?
Speaker 1:What'd you say? You said I want to be snatched.
Speaker 2:You want to be snatched. I was like what is this? You never heard that. God Roger, that's been around, I feel like the ultimate cool.
Speaker 3:That's what they come in right. Like all the girls want, like the Bella Hadid. Like what do you call that?
Speaker 2:There's a lot of people that will like show me Instagram filters, and I just immediately try to shut that down Because there's so many things going into that.
Speaker 1:Love. It's probably not even healthy. Honestly, it's not healthy.
Speaker 2:Want to look like that no it's not, but yeah, I mean, I love my job because it's just a lot of making girls feel more confident in their own skin and just like giving them results that are they're still going to feel like themselves. My goal isn't to morph you into an Instagram filter or someone that you're not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then you talk about, like, building your brand and making it authentic. Did you I mean for me maybe how long have you been in Austin? Because, like, do you feel as if you've gotten your following just by you just being an adult person, or I think, both Like you, being a business woman and adult person.
Speaker 2:I think part of it, I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm sure I have my answer, but I want to hear you, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like curious to know what you guys think. But like I think I mean I owe definitely like a big chunk of the beginning of it, like I was working part time for like a smaller mud spa and kind of like growing slowly. I was like working part time and doing injectables and then also doing I was like a labor and deliverator.
Speaker 2:So I would do both and that was kind of like a slow build for a while that I got hired by Injection Room. They have a huge following and so, like I think at first there's a big influx from that, but then since then I've just noticed like growth from just like putting out content that I'm proud of and being myself. You know, I don't know what are you guys like?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Were you born here? What's your perception? I guess I'm from the Bay Area. Ok yeah, I'm from California and I went to UT, so then I just never really left.
Speaker 1:And did you go there for like a master's undergrad I?
Speaker 2:went there for undergrad.
Speaker 1:I was like pre-med there OK, and then like but as I hear a nurse, and I'm like you went to school forever.
Speaker 2:I think people think that about you can get like a bachelor's in nursing as an undergrad degree. I got like a biology degree Decided I wanted to like deliver babies my whole life. So I was like, obviously I'm just going to be a gynecologist.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:I was like that weird eight year old that was going to be a gynecologist, but like then, you know, by the time I graduated it was hard, like it was hard to find doctors that would tell you to be a doctor. Yeah and that's like not the most encouraging thing, and so it's kind of like on the fence about all that. My best friend's mom's a midwife, so it's like, okay, let's go that route. That's a master's in nursing, so it's like okay, I'll just go get my nursing degree.
Speaker 2:Sure and then did like a 15 month accelerated nursing degree. Got that, started working in the hospital, then realized I don't want to work in the hospital for the rest of my life. That's kind of like where the pivot and the career changed.
Speaker 3:I feel like this might sound bad, but sometimes I feel like working in a hospital is like working in a prison yeah, like that's because there's no windows. The lighting's really bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a really weird environment to be in it's anxiety and do sit like I was on night shift. Who's that's?
Speaker 2:what I was gonna ask me also like disoriented in a way, and like I did love what I, I loved what I did, like I loved it in. Not at that point in my life. I Think one thing I can like appreciate so much about what I do now is like I can be so much more myself. They're very like there's a lot of rules in the hospital that just kind of make you feel confined and that you can't really like express who you are because it's unprofessional or sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I feel like that that probably supports a lot of where you are today and you being authentic in your brand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like yeah, like I, I got out of that. I'm not gonna yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna like continue to let that Be something that I feel so heavily of like, feeling like I can't be myself.
Speaker 1:And, honestly, your content does speak that way, like it shines through that you're being like vulnerable and authentic. But me, like I don't know if I'm gonna get injections, I don't want to ask you the question if I get that, I'll pull you something.
Speaker 3:Raju's face apart? No, that's not I see.
Speaker 2:He's gorgeous.
Speaker 1:I see yours, like your page. I'm like you know what I would go like. I would trust you. I love that. Yeah, it's very good.
Speaker 2:That's like the best compliment ever, too, is like when people are like I don't really know. I trust you do whatever you want.
Speaker 3:That's like, yeah, ideal, well it's like it's a big thing, it's a big trust thing. Like you're, if I'm gonna go to your.
Speaker 3:You know I'm gonna have you messing with my face, but I like 100% trust you. Yeah, inject me. Yeah, it's like the results and the work that you're sharing, right, you know what I mean. Yeah, and Thank you. I think that's why a lot of girls want to go to you, because you're sharing like the results that you're giving these women, you know, and they're getting to kind of see what the process looks like like you're filming videos, what it looks like when you're injecting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, foreign after yeah, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3:I always wanted to be an injector, mm-hmm. So it's like, oh be, so fun you get to work with women, yeah. It's like the beauty industry, yeah. And then I was like, oh shit, like you have to actually have a nursing degree, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, in Texas you actually don't. Okay, I have like the Wild West out here, but which is, I don't know I have I'm sure what's the?
Speaker 3:requirements like.
Speaker 2:I don't think there is a requirement.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I can inject people I get.
Speaker 2:I get ads, you can just go Open up a back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, actually no.
Speaker 2:I get ads for like Courses and stuff that are like take this 60-hour course and become an injector, like no degree necessary, um, the I? The problem is is like when, when too many, when the industry gets oversaturated with like people that are not trained properly, that's how the industry gets like a bad reputation for looking fake and you know there's plenty of like work that I've had to Correct and then people are spending even more money on it. It's just, I don't know, yeah, and I'm sure that hurt, not ideal.
Speaker 3:I always like think about, like Cardi B. You know she was like and she was in when she was in Brooklyn. She was getting like.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I mean, I love Cardi, she was getting like ass injections in a basement.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. So there's like people doing crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shit, that is so unsafe yeah so I mean ultimately, like, as in it, you need to know what to do if something goes wrong. Right, because stuff can go wrong, and I'm like I take my job like it's people's face. Like I really do and then. So there is like an underlying Sense of anxiety that I think comes with that, which I think then makes you like a safer practitioner, like it.
Speaker 2:It's crazy to me that these girls I don't want to like get on like a group of people and be like we shouldn't be doing that, but it's just like you should be a little bit more scared, like I don't know why you're not scared and you yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So I guess for me to understand to ladies this might be helpful, for, just like my contextual pull from it, you're doing injections on the front end right, like somebody wants to get something fixed on their face, or yeah, a different way you're doing injections. Is there a job for injections on the back end to like Something goes wrong? Like I get injections, I get sick.
Speaker 2:I mean the.
Speaker 1:Injector should address that, okay Got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the injector should address that got it. But you know that I've just heard of so many different situations where, like, something does go wrong Because they I don't want to say because they got something done by someone who was like unlicensed or sure.
Speaker 2:Because that could technically happen to anyone, right. But then, like I've heard of situations where, like that Practitioner like blocks the person like yeah, that's not, it's just crazy. Yeah, and then no one. And then the problem with that is then no one wants to treat you to fix it, because it they're.
Speaker 1:Then viable yeah. Wow well, that helps me to understand and I asked the question because now I see with your following in your brand, this is a, this is they're making a lifetime commitment to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's the goal right define clients that like will follow me forever.
Speaker 1:Yeah and. It just helps. It makes more sense. Yeah, like outside looking in. Now I'm like no, no, I one, I've already respected you to we had a blast yesterday.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's my new favorite way to like prep for that Do you guys not normally do that.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sorry, I kind of special guest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you're the first.
Speaker 2:I was glad you all are down.
Speaker 1:I was like young, I'm gonna start girl I was, I was fanboying, I was fanboying. When she got you, I was like, let's go.
Speaker 3:How'd you get Kathleen?
Speaker 2:I was like why are you guys talking?
Speaker 3:about normal girl.
Speaker 2:And that's now you got this.
Speaker 3:It's so fun yeah but you're like on the pulse of like the Austin Beauty scene, which I think is so cool, and even talking about like fillers. Like I kind of feel like fillers are like the new Normal. Yeah, and maybe I'm wrong, but I almost think for women we were talking about this a little bit yesterday like we're competitive, yeah, like if Stacy over here has got her lips done bow tops, you know all this stuff. I'm not gonna be like Annie on the prairie and be trying to date Austin and not yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's almost sad, like to hear people say this. In a way, it's like God. Like you know, I feel like sometimes I have this like guilt associated with what I do, like am I perpetuating like an, an unrealistic standard? I mean, I hope not, because the results are not unrealistic but it's like I Don't know it.
Speaker 2:Just it sucks that people feel like, oh, they have to get it done right because ultimately it's like a luxury service and so I think the one thing you've done that sounds really healthy is Someone shows you like an Instagram filter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like put that away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're not.
Speaker 1:I think at that point You're being not only responsible in a such a healthy way. Yeah you're really being caring towards the Somebody's face to set a realistic expectation. Yeah, because the other half of it is they get that done, then they keep coming back to you for this. Look right, and the Instagram filters gonna probably change in the next six to eight months. Totally gotta adapt to something else totally, and now it's botched Right like that's unfair.
Speaker 2:I mean a huge part of like being a good injector is like knowing when to say no. Yeah which is always hard. But it's just like I want to see the long term for people and not just like will this look good in the moment? Right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, it's all like perception too right, because for me I look at personally, I look at fillers as like self-care, because I know that it's gonna like make me. I know I've had them and I know what it feels like when I get Botox and I enjoy it. So it's like something I enjoy in my like self-care routine, right, but then there's some other people that might judge me like you know, oh, she's putting injectables in her face.
Speaker 2:But even sometimes I I mean, yeah, I hope we've like moved past that, so I do think it's gotten a lot better. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think the people that judge you sometimes, though, are like the jealous ones yeah, like cuz. I've even done it myself. It's like if it wasn't something I could afford. Yeah, obviously, yeah, jealous at this other girls right doing it. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Reception. It is, I mean, I think, like a Great place to start, for anyone is like skin care too.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that gets like overlooked sometimes. I'm like why are we putting three syringes in your face when, like, your skin is not healthy? Yeah, so I got a.
Speaker 1:I got like a little bit of a random insight here about skin care.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I just recently got this thing where I put it like on my hair and then wash my face.
Speaker 2:There's like, oh, like, a headband.
Speaker 1:What this thing is the coolest thing about you need the.
Speaker 2:You need the wrist cuffs too.
Speaker 1:I, those are like the game change send it to me Please, like I'm ready. Yeah, I'm in love with this. Yeah, oh yeah, I'm is your hair long? It. Yes, it's long.
Speaker 2:Oh my god.
Speaker 1:I have it braided for another episode. I always have a hat on, so yeah, they do ask me like are you bald? Yeah like no, I have a full head of hair, yeah, but I just always have a hat.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's always the bald guys that have the hats. Oh, yeah, for sure. And then I'll think they're cute and then I'm like, oh, I never mind when they know, no, it's a skill. That's a tough one to get, skill.
Speaker 2:Yeah and I. That's. That's sad. I feel bad saying that, you know, but God, I want to be able to like look if they could get it, if you can get injections, you can go get your hair.
Speaker 3:You can get yeah, people Well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's another thing and actually like two pays are on the rise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not so fixable problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it is to a degree.
Speaker 1:It's their choice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can get a turkey love. Yeah, yourself a transplant.
Speaker 3:And one of my guy friends did that and he came back and I was like what the fuck happened? Because it looks so Weird after you do it like the hair, Mm-hmm yeah right away but I had so much respect for him yeah, doing it.
Speaker 2:Dude, I was talking to this guy on hinge and like we hadn't met, what's not, like we were like vibing over text. He like, right off the bat, he's like telling me he's not feeling well Cuz he had this surgery, and I was like, what kind of surgery did you have? And he goes a hair transplant. Then, boom, sends me a selfie of like his bald head, like all red and like Bold, like I was like I, I'm busy, respect you, but I am busy. Yeah, but now I am busy. That is crazy, I know.
Speaker 1:It's a good fight for somebody to one want to get something done for themselves, like I respect that, but at the same time, I do think it is problematic if you're going to lie about it, Like get it done and tell everybody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, who cares? Yeah, you got it done for a reason. Jennifer Lopez says that she doesn't get like injectables. Yeah, like all the oil or something on her face. Yeah, I thought I'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, Breakout right. And she's like, ha ha, I got you. It's that extra version.
Speaker 2:You know, doing the Lord's work. Her poor injector is probably like you're going to piss.
Speaker 3:Like why are you pissing?
Speaker 2:Maybe so mad, it's like how much do you feel like I think that's something that you have to kind of like accept is going to happen?
Speaker 1:Do people sign NDAs or anything? No, or do you make them?
Speaker 2:No, I mean I'm sure if it was like a celebrity getting treated, maybe they'd make you like sign NDA. I don't know, I feel like they're. Most of my patients are like cool with me posting them yeah.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 3:There's not, like that, celebrity clientele in Austin, I feel like. But I think it's evolving.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:It is, yeah, the micro, the like. I don't want to say like be less celebrities.
Speaker 1:I feel like this South by Southwest this year, like I finally saw the celebrities of like an LA, a New York come here and like really seem overly comfortable. I mean Connor McGregor was at.
Speaker 2:I think it's like a fresh air for them. It is In.
Speaker 1:Austin and it felt good this year.
Speaker 2:But this year really felt like a good South by Because if you like, live in LA or New York, like I would imagine. You come here and you're like people are fucking nice. What is going on Like out of their way nice, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm from New York, my first a little bit here. I was like what's the catch?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because I'm nice.
Speaker 1:But they're people are like a different level of nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's super easy to make friends here.
Speaker 1:It's hard to get used to.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, that's a weird amount too, like with you like being a beautiful woman and then working in aesthetics, like we talk about this all the time, like I feel like there has to be like a lot of misconceptions about you, like who you are as a person and then probably in your dating life as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, like in terms of dating. I mean, this is more like a misconception about like what I do. But guys love to be like you know what kind of nurse are you? I tell them I'm an injector, which for one I think it's seen as like OK, you're not a real nurse.
Speaker 1:I just fucked up, we're OK.
Speaker 2:But then, yeah, guys love to just be like oh, so you like juice people up with lip filler. That's kind of funny, you know it's like, it's just kind of like demeaning in a way. But I'm like, yeah, yes, I have you know secretly analyzing, like, thinking about how many units of talks they need, but like it's just, I don't know. So that's like one thing with dating, I guess, like, but I think they move past it quickly.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like?
Speaker 2:I feel respected for the most part.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like your beauty gets in the way of your boldness as a businesswoman? I think people will discount you.
Speaker 2:I think like there's times where I felt like people don't take me seriously or like I'm seen as like not professional. I don't know if that's like a combination of like how I look or how I dress, but also just like me being a super like chill person I'm not good with confrontation Like any situation where I've had to be like super formal, like when I would have to do like you had to turn it on. Interviews and I'm wearing work pants, like I feel so out of like. This isn't me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then, like, as I'm saying that, I'm like is that something that is that maybe like me projecting my own insecurities onto me and making me think that, like people see me that way?
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:I don't know, like I haven't really, but that's healthy accountability too, like I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We talk about therapy all the time and us embracing it. That's such an emotionally aware way to look at a scenario like that. Like you're, like you're giving the benefit of the doubt both ways to say OK, well, if you do think of me that way, I hear you I see you. If you don't, and that's me. I could still work on me and that me Right. Right, but you still show up, that's the bottom line yeah. Like showing up, is that?
Speaker 2:that costs you nothing. I mean the way I also Every you just being like myself and stuff is like yeah, that might mean that some people don't take me seriously, but then those people probably like aren't for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, like I think there's a huge group of people that gravitate towards me because they feel like comfortable and not like so intimidated by I mean the meds pause, intimidating.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I've been in one so. Yeah, but I didn't think about that Now that you said that I'm like oh, the meds pause. Intimidating, that's true. Yeah, because I think about you. Know, you're walking in there as a woman, maybe thinking that you want to, like, do something to your face. It's like beautiful women that work there.
Speaker 2:You might be going oh, I've had so many patients that feel like that say to me like I feel like I don't belong here and I'm like yeah, I'm like, that's just not, that's not. It makes me sad that, like if that's the impression we're giving off because that's not the case, no, I think that's like an internal, like insecurity, oh for sure, and their worthiness or whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because like there's so many women that, like you know, they go through a divorce or a breakup or and then it's like that's a lot of times I feel like when women go in to go get filler things done is like looking for that sense of yeah.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me if I got through a breakup I should go get fillers, because I think I'm going to do it Honestly.
Speaker 3:If it feels this good, maybe I think like 10 units of Botox would a guy would be like shocked by how good you would feel, I don't know. More like 75. Oh, 75.
Speaker 1:She's like you got a big forehead.
Speaker 2:No, that's like definitely. A lot of people are like I get 25 units, I'm like, ok, well, I would do 50. Crazy.
Speaker 3:Because I grew up like Lake Travis area. Yeah, and it's sorry, excuse me, it's kind of like a weird bubble to grow up in. Yeah, because I remember the girls that I went to high school with. They were getting Botox out, like that's crazy 21. Oh, yeah, and I was like shit. Like do I need to be getting Botox at 21? Like it was a different. They're getting boob jobs in high school, I know.
Speaker 1:I'm from like. I grew up in a pretty blue collar town, predominantly Irish.
Speaker 3:OK.
Speaker 1:And I'm telling you this was. I was not exposed to this, you weren't no.
Speaker 3:I thought you were saying all those football players wanted trophy-wide.
Speaker 1:Well, that my hometown. My hometown was different than the school I was to. Oh, because I went to high school in New Jersey, but my hometown was separate. So it was I lived in New York, went to school in Jersey.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And these guys definitely the guys were walking around with Whomever.
Speaker 2:They thought it's like crazy though, like how many men like don't want their significant other to get work done which is so interesting to me?
Speaker 1:And then like it's a slippery slope. I don't.
Speaker 2:To clarify, like before I say this I do not hate men, I think they're good ones out there, but it's just like very hypocritical because then those are the same guys that probably like go choose a younger, like harder version when the time comes, it's like OK.
Speaker 1:That's where I think it's a slippery slope yeah. Because that same guy who says no, you're like you're a hypocrite. Now look at your next choice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have so many like dirty thoughts going through my mind because I remember I don't even know if I should say this on here, but I'm just going to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't say the name, so.
Speaker 3:OK. So like my ex, I remember I started dating him and I went to go get my lips done. He was kind of like why are you doing that? Yeah, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Well, they view it as, like you're insecure, you're wanting to like change something about yourself and like yeah, and I told him I was like, just wait until I use the monulator, and yeah. And then he liked him. So right now, no one has ever complained about the lips.
Speaker 3:He told me he was like I'll pay for it. Oh my gosh, that was like perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, oh, my God that is funny. Like that is that is one thing like I can't do a man with paper thins, and that's something I maybe need to, you know with white.
Speaker 1:That's my super favorite lips.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh yeah. I don't like kissing a thin lip. That makes sense. Me either, I don't, no. Sorry guys, this is the best Come see me. And then we can consider it.
Speaker 3:Do straight guys ever get lip filler?
Speaker 2:Yes, Does it look? I yeah, no, it can be like lip filler can look. So it's so people, that's like a big misconception I was like like it takes a lot of lip filler to start looking crazy. Yeah, and obviously like if it's done poorly.
Speaker 1:but I think that may be another thing too. Like one thing yeah judgment of like don't get it done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they don't want. They want their girl to be natural.
Speaker 1:Like mentally they go to probably. Yeah, oh, you're going to look like a fake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But you're doing work where I mean there's something. I believe you had a post where it's like showing the before and after where it looks so natural.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It seems like that's what you focus on For sure, like lip filler.
Speaker 2:I mean lip filler too. Like can have such a power and like balancing the face. Yeah if someone has like a fuller face, like some more attention to their lips can like change everything for them in terms of their confidence, and then like a lot of, what I do too is like just understanding the aging process and then kind of I think a filler as like restoring volume that is lost as we age. As we age, like our bone shrink, our muscle shrinks, everything starts kind of falling.
Speaker 1:And so a lot of it's just kind of like restorative. Do you ever like host training for other?
Speaker 2:No, I haven't gotten to that point. I'm sure I will do that.
Speaker 3:I'm like other injectors, would be so lucky.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly Because I'm sitting here learning. I love how that's so sweet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like it's even like the social media aspect. Like you know, eventually, when you get to a place in your career, like the stuff that you're doing on social media, it's like there's so many aspects of being an injector and running your business. That's not just the injecting, you know. It's like showing your clients there before and afters and like really building that brand for yourself Totally. And there's probably like a lot of people starting out that don't understand what all really goes into it.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I mean, the industry is like very, very glamorized as well. Yeah, Do you feel so? I think there's like a lot of people, like nurses that probably want to like me, like want to get out of the hospital, see how like glamorized this industry is, and then think, oh, like I want to do that, and then you know it's still there's still, it's a job like any job.
Speaker 1:Can I ask a wild one?
Speaker 2:Ask a wild one.
Speaker 1:What who's like? You've worked many lives in the world of nursing. What's your worst client experience or patient?
Speaker 2:experience, that's hard.
Speaker 1:Like there's gotta be one.
Speaker 2:I know there's gotta be like one that stands out right. I mean I think I don't know. I mean I'm so pumped.
Speaker 3:I think if you don't have one, I have one, you have one for me. Yeah, because? So I matched with this guy on a dating app the other day and he's a trauma nurse and I asked him. I was like what's the worst thing you've seen? He's probably like so annoyed, probably like you are. Like all the nurses get asked that fucking thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was an L&D nurse so everyone thought I knew everything about STDs and I was like, love, you need to go get a test and you go to a doctor and then get an antibiotic script. This is so out of the pie.
Speaker 1:I can't help you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So this guy that I was talking to.
Speaker 3:He said he saw a foot fall off someone and then like why am I even talking about, like I'm gonna get myself in trouble today You're violating hip-or-rex, yeah? And then he saw like a pool ball stuck up you know somewhere it shouldn't be. And I'm like how does this shit happen? I know that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the other thing too, like how much embellishment is there, because this guy could have just totally been. There's not, like that's probably fact.
Speaker 2:Probably love to stick stuff up their butt. Yeah, they do. It's weird, I know. I know it's not just like Grey's Anatomy, like I know, this happens in real life.
Speaker 1:That was my favorite show as a kid. Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 2:It's so good. I remember when Mcdreamy dies and it's like wow, oh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Doctor Mcdreamy, like he was everyone's favorite no, yeah, it went downhill.
Speaker 2:He thinks out he wanted to believe in this love story, and then it just.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's here in Austin sometime.
Speaker 2:Is he no way?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he goes to like all the F1 races. Okay, I feel like I have seen that.
Speaker 2:I need to get there, like apparently that's the place to be. Like, why where's my invite? We should go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's go to.
Speaker 2:F1.
Speaker 3:Someone sponsor me and Kathleen I know.
Speaker 2:Please sponsor our trip there.
Speaker 1:I'll buy my ticket.
Speaker 2:Roger's ticket. We are there simply to like exist Be scheme.
Speaker 3:Yeah be scheme. Well, that's what I mean the industry that you're in. Do you feel like a pressure to like show up to your job looking a certain way Honestly?
Speaker 2:Great question, no Okay. Well, you're so naturally beautiful, I am just I'm not someone to like put on a beat every day Like I'll go to work, like I think that's one thing about like skincare, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is like when you have good skin, you feel like I don't need to wear makeup. I mean, I have lash extensions that helps Sure, I don't know. I don't wanna show up feeling like this pressure to be glam every day.
Speaker 1:It's not realistic you know, then I guess I'll ask the same question you just asked, but differently. Where do you feel like you have to have your emotional availability at a maximum capacity when you get to work? Because it feels like you're a version of someone's therapist?
Speaker 2:Yeah, in some ways.
Speaker 1:And also their nurse.
Speaker 2:In some ways.
Speaker 1:Like does it ever?
Speaker 2:drain you. Yeah, you'll learn to do that. I think I'm naturally pretty empathetic and just good with people. I mean I say good, I don't say that in a bragging way.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I think it's more like I can relate to people easily.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:And then a lot of the girls too that come to see me. They came to see me because they felt somehow connected to what they're seeing on the internet or their friend referred them or something. So there's a natural connection. That happens with most people right off the bat, and if it doesn't, then it doesn't. But I don't feel like. I mean I would say at the end of the day, sometimes you don't want to go out and be social because you've been talking to people all day, but I don't see it as, like most days, that I'm at work unless I'm down bad or something I don't know.
Speaker 1:Because then it's like, how does that play into your dating too? Because, you go from your nine to five.
Speaker 2:I would say being a nurse, dating this is, more generally, not really something that applies to aesthetics, but being a nurse, I think you have a natural tendency to want to take care of people and be a nurturing person, and so a lot of that is like I'll give that to men a lot of the times, and sometimes I have to check myself and be like no, you need that too.
Speaker 2:You can't just be the one taking care of people all the time or building them up. You want to be with someone that can give that to you in return.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Do you feel like you're hyper-independent when? You're dating people.
Speaker 2:I think hyper-independent, like how.
Speaker 3:Because it sounds like you have this caretaker kind of mentality from being a nurse and I feel like it's so hard as women when we have careers and we're going hard at work all day and then we want to take care of people, it's so hard to be soft and let a man take care of us. Yeah, and I know for me I've developed this hyper-independence where I forget, oh, I can lean on a man.
Speaker 2:I think that absolutely is something I would fall into Slash. Also, I think as women, we're almost trained to be, and I don't know if this is just like Austin I mean, I know it's not just Austin. I do think there's a lot of men in Austin that struggle with being masculine. So then, as women, our masculinity can take over and it can use sometimes to feel like, oh, I have to be like this, or they're not going to like me, or they're going to get. It's going to be too much work for them, or something.
Speaker 1:There's a sense of attraction to that. I think it's nice. It's nice to know that same thing hopefully. I don't want to overeat or overestimate my boundary, but I think it's nice when a man is in tune with his femininity. Oh, absolutely, because me, as a guy a woman in tune with her masculinity is just the most powerful thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's attractive, it is, it's powerful, but I had someone tell me the other day that I'm ferocious.
Speaker 2:Oh my, god, what the hell. Maybe I need to comment. I don't think. How do they mean that? Because I don't think he's not wrong, he's not wrong he knows me so well.
Speaker 3:What was the context? He's a friend of my exes and he was like I see why your ex couldn't put up with you, couldn't handle you. He was like you're fucking ferocious. And I was like, yes, because I'm a lot and so I need someone. I kind of need someone that puts me in my place a little bit walks me off the edge.
Speaker 1:But you're so sweet, honestly, she says it all the time.
Speaker 2:Ferocious is the wrong one, yeah.
Speaker 1:She's such a sweetheart, her delivery may hurt you.
Speaker 2:She may cut you real quick. Sad, oh, yes, what's yours? Yeah, that's fine, I'm a capricorn.
Speaker 1:I'm a cancer.
Speaker 2:Wow, we got a mix of energy.
Speaker 1:Huge mix here. Yeah, I'm the big baby of the bunch. I think y'all will survive. I'll just hotline, bling y'all and be like help me.
Speaker 3:You know what I always do Whenever I start liking someone, I'll actually I know nothing about the horoscopes, but I'll start googling the compatibility. It's just so embarrassing, no you have to dude All the time. I believe in some of that stuff.
Speaker 1:It's so spot on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know You're very spot on.
Speaker 2:That's what I love about Roger. I also have not talked to people when I find out they're sad. Yeah, there's no point.
Speaker 3:Roger's such a cool guy because I'll be like, oh, you know, horoscopes in the moon and energy and woo, woo, woo. And he's like, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm into all of it. I'm like look at this video I just saw.
Speaker 2:I love that, because some guys, you know, I don't like when men are like. I don't want to hear like yeah on judging you for bringing that up. Yeah, don't judge something that you truly know nothing about.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Tell them, Kathleen yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think the other thing is, and then you just say oh, that's a very Gemini thing of you to say If you want to be petty.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll get right back.
Speaker 1:You brought something else up to you the other day human design.
Speaker 2:And I think that's so important. It's so interesting.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I would recommend oh, that's a rabbit hole, so it's based.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's very cool. It's based on your birth chart in the sense of like you kind of you can find out what you're human designed and by like plugging in your where you're born and what time and everything. It's not astrology, but it's similar in the sense of like it kind of tells you the best ways to like expand your energy, the best ways to interact with the world, the best ways for you to like make decisions.
Speaker 1:And it kind of.
Speaker 2:It's very like validating, like if you're someone who's done a lot of like work on themselves and then you go to that and you're like, ok, this is what this validates. Like, why am that way? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Have you, have you ever done like an enneagram test? Mm-mm, I would think it's like the same thing. Enneagram is like a personality test and it sounds similar to like human design. But I took an enneagram test when I was on mushrooms and so I felt like my answers were really authentic. But after I got my results it made like me understand myself at like such a deeper level. So that sounds like what human design she just explained it so yeah, the energy output.
Speaker 1:I think that's important. Yeah it's like you get to see the way in which you express or output your energy and how it affects you. Yeah, yeah versus how you probably should regulate it in certain environments, and also the way you receive energy. It's so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do I do?
Speaker 3:Take a test. I'll send you a link.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't even have to take a test.
Speaker 3:I'm going to put the link in the show notes and you have to do a little bit of research too, Like you have to like it'll.
Speaker 2:whatever link I send you, it'll tell you what you are, and then I like research. What an individual thing meant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if that makes sense. It almost like promotes you to want to do the research.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 1:Because it gives it to you, and then you're like what does this mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're learning about yourself, but I don't know, it's been cool. It's like my. I think I'm like a manifesting generator or something. It tells me like for me, like my gut, decision making is very sacred, and that's like very in alignment with like how I felt that I've made my best decisions and then I go.
Speaker 3:I learned this I learned this.
Speaker 2:And then I like was in a situation with a guy where I just was, like I wasn't feeling it. I get in these situations too, like me digressing for a second, where I'm like this is the type of guy I should date. Like he has a shit together, he's not 27. He like he wants a relationship and like then I'll find myself like uninterested, probably because it's more about the person. I mean. Maybe I don't know, we were talking about that yesterday. Like, is that a reflection of me? I don't know. I think it's more just about the person.
Speaker 1:I need the Kathleen button in my pocket. You're fucking funny.
Speaker 3:Wait, but okay, you like older guys or younger guys? Are you drawn to?
Speaker 2:one. I feel like I'm drawn to, like very youthful energy. So then I like why do I? But I can't. I'm 30. I can't like go for the 26 year old too.
Speaker 3:I do it too, though Lives, yeah, no, it's like I think, because I think I'm so young in my head.
Speaker 1:You do not look 30.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I shouldn't.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. Yeah, I hope not.
Speaker 3:It's like when you feel like you have a young energy, like I don't want to be dating like a 50 year old man.
Speaker 2:And there's like it seems that there's too, like a there's a shift in terms of generations, Like I feel like up until like I'm sure it also obviously depends on the person, but there's that shift around like 36 or something where I'm like you don't get me.
Speaker 1:You don't understand the way that I talk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't fully.
Speaker 3:I feel like they're like my parents. Sometimes I'm like because I'll talk about something they don't even know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:I'm like okay, never mind, I had a friend who she just broke up with a guy I think he was like 39, and she may be like 28, 29. And same thing you just said, Like she was like there was just a disconnect. There was a disconnect and like watching a music video yes, or like you don't think the same memes are funny. Yeah, like it was just simple shit. She was like it actually became an ick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it can become an ick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because she was like for sure. I'm over here having to explain simple shit to you.
Speaker 2:No, yes, I know.
Speaker 3:I think it's like because it's for me like so, like I love like 2000,. Like old school trap, rap, hip hop, yeah. And it's like you know there's been guys I dated who like really related to that, Like they'll listen to some ludicrous or usher yeah, because it's like we grew up with that Right. And then if I'm talking to someone that like never listened to that music, it's like I just don't know, can you turn it off? Yeah, yeah, I'm like mm. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm actually gonna turn it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they'll play you like.
Speaker 1:Listen to this David Bowie song.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like what.
Speaker 1:You're like queen, yeah, and like I, like all of it.
Speaker 2:I don't wanna, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to the gym. I'm not trying to hear David Bowie, nor queen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I'm just like. I don't mean it's not uncultured, it's just I didn't grow up with that.
Speaker 3:I feel like the younger guys kind of. I feel like they like worship me more, not worship. There is that sense too.
Speaker 2:It's like oh Until you've been like fucked over by too many men yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're like no, it actually doesn't really matter yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's the same from a male's perspective. Yeah, I think it's just a matter of like, what is being fucked over, look like, and usually it's, the guy is not willing to be accountable, and then he ends up throwing the fucking wrench in the bomb. The bomb blows up and then it's like, well, you have that guy on your face, but at the same time, to be fair, if there's something that goes wrong where there's that age discrepancy from high to low, low to high, whatever it is, I do think it's ultimately a matter of like, respecting someone's timeline.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, if I'm gonna date someone older, you may know music that I don't know. And I may know music, you don't know. If I date someone younger, same thing. I'm gonna probably try to protect their frontal lobe a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the older person. I want you to protect my frontal lobe a little bit more, right.
Speaker 2:I mean ultimately too, if you like. Care about the person enough like you're gonna wanna learn their world and the way that they think. But I do think that's like a thing with dating older guys. I mean, I think the therapist answer would be that, like I would date people that are younger than me or don't have their shit together, the people that I feel maybe in some subconscious level are beneath me, because then they can't really hurt me. Oh shit.
Speaker 2:That would be like you're gonna go for the 25 year old because at the end of the day, like he might make you sad for two days and you know you can get better.
Speaker 3:Maybe he's hot.
Speaker 2:Maybe he's just really sexy too, maybe he's really hot. Yeah, maybe he's like six four.
Speaker 3:It's a six yeah, like six, four yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's deep.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have like a very specific type, so I think that would probably like get me into like little traps, yeah.
Speaker 3:Same. We were talking about that. I'm like, I like the one percent which is like a man. That's like six, four makes over a hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, it's like the one guy that 500 women want.
Speaker 1:She sent me this one time and then it was like a lot of her exes are tall, cause she's tall, yeah. So she had said that I'll tell you.
Speaker 3:Okay, I say five, 10, but I actually think I'm more like five, 11.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you're five, 11. Six five.
Speaker 3:But I had back surgery and I think it made me grow Really. What I'm not happy about?
Speaker 2:but it is what it is.
Speaker 3:No good thing, yeah, and then I still will like run around in like five inch hills and then I'm like, why the fuck, are these men so short?
Speaker 2:That's like powerful, that there's something like so powerful about like a tall. Yeah, but I'm wearing the heels.
Speaker 1:She said something like that, you little peasants yeah, I didn't realize it's hard for her to date because I'm sure She'll sometimes like meet probably good to great quality guys. From what you expand to me, yeah, and then I'm like yeah, there's a desire for something someone taller yeah.
Speaker 3:I think the thing that's always going through Roger's head is like who is fucking cast?
Speaker 1:because Because he brings a. I don't get it. I literally don't get it.
Speaker 3:I just but I'm so particular yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean she's. She has our own personal life and, mind you, we have a friendship but also a business relationship, Like we're very interpersonal and definitely explain things to each other. But there's a line where it's like I kind of don't want to know, Like I yeah, I don't respect her so much, where I'm like Cass, unless you're in trouble, like I don't need to hear about who you're banging.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I'm the entertainment for my whole office. I'll say that, but then again, if she's in trouble, I want to be the first call.
Speaker 1:I want you to be like come beat this man up. I'll be like I got you Give me 10.
Speaker 2:There's something about like the male female friendship dynamic. It's like maybe I don't want to know everything, yeah.
Speaker 3:But he would know if I like someone 100%. They would get brought around, roger.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:And I'd be like, I'd be like Roger, you knew him. Yeah, Bring him on the show, oh.
Speaker 1:I'm a grill, I'm crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That would be and a respectful.
Speaker 3:That will be an epic episode, oh yeah, that's what scares me because, like we kind of touch on dating on the show, because we have, like our sponsor, thursday dating, it's like a dating app. That's not a dating app. Okay, and so.
Speaker 1:You'd actually enjoy it and you thrive in the environment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because you like meet people in person but like wait what? Yeah? So Roger's.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:The app only works one day a week.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Only on Thursdays.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And then you would basically buy your ticket to attend an event.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:But how many times have you been on a date and like your first 10 to 15 minutes you're like I do not like this.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But you got like, you got to ride it out. I can do it. Yeah, you got to ride it out. Yeah, instead, at a Thursday event, you can go to one of these Thursday dating events.
Speaker 2:Is it like a speed dating?
Speaker 1:It's not speed dating, it's more or less like just access to other signals, so Are you like matching with them for? You can match on Thursday. You can use the app, you can match with them, you can talk with them and then, hopefully, you both buy a ticket to the same event.
Speaker 3:Right, right, right In the same city. Okay. So like, yeah, he hosts them like everywhere, so it could be like at the codependent, for example, or like a workout class, and you go there and you know that, like everyone else there, at that time, pretty much is like single.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So it's like that. It's kind of nice Because I just go with some friends and if there's like a hot guy and there's less pressure.
Speaker 1:Yes, so in the 10, 15 minutes, like if they're fucking weird, you're like, hey, I'm gonna slide down. I mean I told y'all.
Speaker 2:I'm like encouraging the FaceTime, the FaceTime. I wanna assess the vibe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that, but it's also it's a safe environment, and then it's crazy how many dudes will not FaceTime you back.
Speaker 2:I'm like what does that say about you?
Speaker 3:I just it's interesting, like like I love phone calls and people don't like them anymore.
Speaker 2:No, I love, I know I love a phone call.
Speaker 1:I'm on the phone. It's more yeah.
Speaker 2:It's more efficient and you can like assess, actually, like how I'm feeling, like, oh my God, like, if you have to like say something to someone that's like hard to say, do not text it.
Speaker 1:Well then, I guess I'd ask you both right, like what's your love language? Cause I feel like I'm quality time, but like what what's yours? Cause I don't know if I get quality time on the phone.
Speaker 3:They're so interesting yeah they are Because. I don't. I have a hard time like pouring into people with the ones that I don't resonate with.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 3:Cause like, so, like words of affirmation, like I don't need someone to tell me I'm pretty and I'm so great, cause I do that for myself. So then it's like the men that need that.
Speaker 2:I'm like, I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 3:I'm not feeding your ego motherfucker, really Totally. Yeah, so I don't know, not at the beginning, you're a funny guy.
Speaker 2:You're a funny guy, not at the beginning. We can't be having them after that.
Speaker 3:I'm all about like the, the push and pull. Yeah, like kind of like the femme fatale, like I'm not going to give it all to you right away.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So, but like mine, quality time and physical touch Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I would say the same, plus a little bit of words of affirmation, like I would like to be like reassured. It's not someone, it's not that I need someone complimenting me, but it is nice.
Speaker 1:I just like to check in. I want to know we're on the same.
Speaker 2:When you want to be someone that you feel like appreciated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2:I mean that's part of it but definitely like physical touch and quality time. I'm like a clingy bitch. If I like someone, I hear you being dog. I want to be with you all the time.
Speaker 3:I think that's how, like, not. I think that's how you know when you like someone, though, yeah, it's like you don't want to leave their side. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You want to spend time and you want to get to know them in all environments right Right. Like that makes it fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause, then you can go home and you you're able to reflect on the day yeah. Be like what'd you think of that person, What'd you think of this Totally? And then it's fun. Yeah, it's like a TV show.
Speaker 3:It's not even like I don't even think it's unhealthy, cause there's like been people I dated and like we liked each other and then we just never separated, yeah. And then there's also been people where I felt like I had to play the game a little bit and like what? I don't like that feeling. I don't know, do you ever play the game? Or oh for sure.
Speaker 1:I feel like you got the game.
Speaker 2:I feel like you've got the game. I'm not gonna say that, but I'm like I've been single for so long and I'm like that's what I was going to ask you.
Speaker 3:I'm not doing something like how long? Like four years?
Speaker 2:Okay. So your last relationship was four years ago, or that was like the last I've had like flings in between them, but I don't think I've like ever since that relationship like truly called someone my boyfriend.
Speaker 1:What happened when we went to Juicy shit?
Speaker 2:I mean, it's not like that juicy, Like, literally, I went to a wedding with him the night before. You know, I was tipsy, I was talking about our wedding situation, he, that might have freaked him out, I don't know. We were 26. Like. Like eight, like a year and a half or so, okay, and then, like embed, the next morning I did like a check in. I don't know Like I look back on this and I'm like what called me to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Something subconsciously like called me to do this. But I was like, hey, babe, like how are you feeling? Like are you happy Like tell me about, like just having like a healthy little feedback about our relationship? And he's like I think I want to break up. No, tough.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Tough Like no warning signs for me and did he hit you. You know, people ask you like looking back, like do you wear their signs that you didn't see? I'm like, maybe, but I don't.
Speaker 1:Was it like I think I want to break up and we are going to break up?
Speaker 2:No, it was like it was. We are going to break up.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's like. It's always hard when someone puts you in that position of like it's a hard, no, like, there's no talking through it.
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, I don't want to like fight a man to like want to be with me. I'm not trying to convince you to want to be with me. I mean we have like a good relationship now. It wasn't like ugly. I definitely like continue to hook up with him to the point where I was like very numb to it.
Speaker 3:Did you think that like that was going to be your person Like?
Speaker 2:I think at the time you feel like that's your person, like that was probably like the first time I was like in love as an adult of like who I am now. I was like the only other like serious relationship I had was in college and like I did love him so much but I grew out of like I was kind of the one who initiated the end of that one.
Speaker 2:So it was like that was the first probably like true heartbreak situation. But I mean, it's like you look back at I look back at myself at 26 and I'm like different person. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:I give it to y'all too. It's like I've heard you speak about it and now hearing you as well. I've always struggled with like how do I break up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, it's so hard to break up with someone.
Speaker 1:It's so hard.
Speaker 2:It's awful. Like I don't sometimes I'll be in those positions and I'm like I wish I was on the other side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get clammy.
Speaker 2:I get weird.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm too big to be this awkward.
Speaker 2:Yeah, plus, like your cancer, like you're probably like I feel so much for the other person.
Speaker 1:Yes. Like, I'm just like, but then I end up ruining it cause I'm like I should have ended it so much longer ago. But I care too much. I'm like I want you to be good, yeah, and I could stay and help, but I'm probably doing this and this without you.
Speaker 2:I think like the biggest thing to realize, like when you feel the need to end it with someone but you're scared to do it is like I'm not serving this person by staying in their life. You really I'm not like I don't want to be here, like that's not kind to them. For sure that's actually like limiting the both of you.
Speaker 1:Or even to yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then stuff starts happening that's bad anyway, like the cheating or infidelity, absolutely. Or like treating your partner the wrong way, cause you're like resentful, cause you don't want to be there. So it's so valid. You guys really had me questioning. I'm like, oh, like, when was the last time I broke someone's heart?
Speaker 1:It's hard.
Speaker 3:I don't know it's hard. Yeah, I hate it. Hope I appreciate you guys being there. Thanks forρt.
Speaker 1:What do?
Speaker 3:you think about, like in general, like we kind of ask everyone this and I think there's kind of a consensus, but uh, like the dating in Austin, specifically, yeah, the scene and the Peter Pan syndrome, like do you think it's a thing?
Speaker 2:the answer is definitely a thing. I mean I don't know if it's like the types. I'm going for it first of all. It's like you kind of get to a point where you're like is hinge is, are the dating apps my only option? Yeah like when do where would I go? Yes, go out in the world, but like where?
Speaker 1:Thursday events.
Speaker 2:Where are the high value? Where the high value? I'm just like my mind just goes like Austin proper yeah no. We're not against it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I've never seen any. I've never seen any cute guys at Austin proper and everyone's obsessed. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:I think it's like you think that that's gonna be the spot yeah there's a men in suits, yeah, who have their shit together.
Speaker 3:But I'm like in reality, I know, because I feel like, like the high value guys aren't even on Dating app.
Speaker 2:No, that's another thing. It's like I have a friend that tells me like you're not gonna meet your person on hinge and part of me is like I'll prove you well, no, I mean, part of me believes that to a degree, and then the other part of you's like there's plenty of people that do yeah, yeah, um. You're valid but yeah, I mean I try not to like stress out about it too much.
Speaker 3:I feel like, I feel like.
Speaker 2:I do this like come into your life.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm sure. I know like for me lately I've been feeling it so hard because I'm turning 30 this year.
Speaker 2:I'm like fuck, where's my You'll turn 30 and then you'll realize like yeah, this isn't actually a thing, like I'm just. Well, you're not, I'm not any different.
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna find anyone when I'm like freaking out about it, yeah no, I mean. I find them when I'm just yes, out about your business.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's what's hard, though it's hard to get out of that mindset. Yeah, cuz I know for me and I maybe you're the same way I feel like I have everything I need in my life, yeah, like a good, and like the one thing that I feel like is missing is like a lot of yeah, I love yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's probably a big reason like yes to better myself.
Speaker 2:But like a big reason of like why I wanted to go to therapy is like I need to get to a place where I'm like the highest, my highest version of myself, like I need to be someone that, like, I would want to be in a relationship with, and part of you's like I'm gonna work on myself because I know, ultimately, like that will draw better people into my life and I'm Putting that work in so well, what's the?
Speaker 1:what's like? The one red flag that is like a oh, oh, hell, no, like you're. You're the second, you see it, you're like. I'm running.
Speaker 2:God. I mean there's like classic, like if they're talking about their ex, a lot like Kind of oh, I just like I need a man that can, like make a decision like I. I Can make a decision, but I don't want to. I want to be led. You know, I don't cast this yeah. I want to lead. So if you're like leaning on me, like, well, what do you want to do? I'm like Literally figure it out.
Speaker 3:Yes, I don't guys back.
Speaker 2:Figure it out, or just like something I've tried to be mindful of, like red flags. When I'm in the talking stage with people before I even meet them, if I'm Talking them off, a dating app is like what energy are you giving me? Because if you're not giving me like Good energy, now, like I know you're just gonna disappoint me.
Speaker 2:Yeah you know, it's just like you can kind of spot out the fuck. But I had a man like send me the this. He was in the sauna and he like, and I hadn't met him and I was like you've got to be fucking. I was like you were, you ruined it like it was going Well this is done because, like what the hell is that?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know what, like you don't want me to, like feel good about myself, whoa, so that's actually Manipulative. Now you're turning this on me and making me seem like I Don't care about your health. Yeah when really I just don't want the shirtless sweaty. Like the shirtless sweaty was enough, we didn't also need the bicep.
Speaker 1:Okay. So this is something that I would say. I pick up therapy right Like. Do you openly say like you should not have sent that picture, or you're just?
Speaker 2:like I openly say you ruined it.
Speaker 1:Okay you ruined everything now Do you explain it? Though?
Speaker 2:Cuz like my juice, so that's another thing I will get me situations I'm like I don't feel like I need to explain to you Like if you are not self-aware enough to know how you've done wrong like there's literally no point in explaining it. Yeah, I agree, I kind of I've stopped Explaining it, yeah, because I'm like, if you don't get it, what are we doing?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the hard thing too is like you. You can't teach someone to be self-aware. They know, make that noise. Yeah so there's no point in even trying. I feel like I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Y'all, both are like this, like yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there are girls that will. Yeah, how about it, sister? But it ain't me, it ain't gonna be me.
Speaker 3:This was like amazing, like as cool as I thought you were yesterday. I'm like even more like girl. Yeah, you are beautiful inside and out seriously sure and like, honestly, it's so fun for us cuz like not only do we get to interview people, but we're like making friends.
Speaker 1:So fine, I'm hopeful that we can call you a friend now all this keep you in our network for sure.
Speaker 2:Like you are, you're really good talk about, like get down and talk to people about, like who you are, like have intentional conversations. Yeah, and this is fun, yeah, it's like the therapeutic stuff y'all brought up in the beginning of the episode this is felt therapeutic
Speaker 1:right level of like again. I think I said this the last episode. I get to learn a lot from the guest and cast. I mean this girl, yeah, she teaches stuff again. She's not gonna teach you until, but she just how she, how she does, how she operates.
Speaker 1:Yeah me being here here into women in power speaking, and you y'all are both like Killing the game in your own respective rights, but it's nice for me to be a part of this conversation, so like thank you to both of you well, you too, because it's nice to have like a good guy, you know that like can listen to what we're saying and like, have these like collaborative Conversations because, like what you said, like I don't, like in general I don't like surface level conversations.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is way more fun. Yeah, I'm like let's sit and talk like yeah, super natural. Yes, it didn't even that's. What I love is like when it doesn't feel like a Podcast it's the good episodes or when we're just.
Speaker 1:I mean we're rifting. Yeah, this is just healthy, I know but you got to close this out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you have to close out the podcast.
Speaker 1:So we close out every episode with just a simple saying and we want everybody to come back next week because we know it's going down.
Speaker 3:Shirts that say going down.
Speaker 2:Okay here.
Speaker 3:It's what just the front of it just gonna say going down, okay, and then the back's gonna be like in the lobby podcast. But I feel like it's such a like sexual play yeah it's so good yeah it's like going down, it's encouraging you to do that. Oh, that's a good look at you.
Speaker 2:That's a good. Why do they?
Speaker 3:forget. Like what are you thinking? I don't know, I've dated men. Like I don't do that. I don't do that. I'm like you know what me either?
Speaker 1:I played the fifth in any kind of what do you do? I disagree.
