Episode 437, The Andrew Parker Show - O.J. Simpson Evidence of Guilt? Iroc Avelli Alleges He Has the Goods.

In Episode 437, Andrew Parker sits down with Iroc Avelli — a man who knew O.J. Simpson for years — and who claims he has recorded admissions by Simpson himself tied to the 1994 murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

In this extraordinary interview, Avelli walks through his history with Simpson, the world surrounding O.J.’s celebrity, and the chain of alleged evidence that he says has been seized and withheld. Andrew asks direct legal questions, challenges the timeline, and explores what is fact, what is allegation, and why this case continues to sit at the intersection of law, crime, public perception — and history.

A fascinating conversation that revisits one of the most infamous criminal cases of our lifetime — through the eyes of someone who says he was on the inside.

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Episode 437 Transcript

Andrew Parker (00:02)

Welcome to another episode of the Andrew Parker show thank you once again for joining us as Every episode we talk politics Israel and the law And You know, it's not often Over the last geez. Well, we've been doing this eight nine years. We're on episode. What is it? We're on episode 437 today

Yes, indeed. And for the vast majority of those episodes, we have talked politics, both international as well as domestic politics, ⁓ and Israel. And boy, recently there's obviously been a lot to talk about as it relates to the Jewish state of Israel. ⁓ well, the fundamental foundational

bastion of Western civilization and that is the Jewish state of Israel. ⁓ As goes Israel goes to the United States and the rest of the world and so a focus on it is not unimportant. But today we're going to talk about the law. Yes indeed, day in and day out I as you know spend my time practicing sometimes. ⁓

I get assailed and beat up over it and we fight back. In fact, today we are filing a petition with the US Supreme Court. Well, it'll be filed in the next few days, but we are making certain filings there and we'll see if the court takes up our case. But we're not talking about the US Supreme Court today. What we are talking about is a...

Well, a case that you all remember.

That is the O.J. Simpson murder trial back in, what was it, the mid-90s, as you remember, on June 12th into the wee hours of June 13th, 1994. Think about what you were doing back then.

when the bodies of Nicole Nicole Brown Simpson and Who was it Ronald Goldman? were found At Brown Simpson's home Having left dinner at the Mezzaluna restaurant in Los Angeles coming back that evening

And remember these various occurrences. Nicole Brown Simpson's sisters called Mezaluna to say that Nicole's mother had left her glasses at the restaurant and Ronald Goldman volunteered to return those glasses.

How about Cato Cailin, a friend staying at a guest house at O.J. Simpson's home. He and Simpson went to McDonald's for dinner that night. Cato Cailin and Simpson returned home around 9.45. You know, it's just shortly thereafter that Goldman leaves the restaurant to return the glasses. Fateful evening. How about the neighbor, Pablo Fenvez?

who, a neighbor of Nicole Brown Simpson, hears the cries and constant barking of a dog. Can't remember the term they used for ⁓ the barking dog, but that was a big issue in the trial. And the limousine driver, Alan Park, remember his name? He arrives at Simpson's around 10.25.

Cato Kaelin hears three loud thumps. That was mysterious. Uh-huh. He testified about it. And the timing goes on and on. Ultimately, Park calls his boss and...

testifies that Simpson was not home. Hm. Right at the particularly important time.

So those are just a few of the facts we recall, as well as all the DNA evidence, the glove, didn't fit, it did fit, it didn't fit. And O.J. Simpson gets acquitted.

Well, today on the Andrew Parker Show, episode 437, we have on the show someone who knew O.J. Simpson for many, years and for a number of years prior to the fateful evening in 1994.

And that is Iraq Aveli. Iraq is here today to talk to us about some of the evidence he has that relates to the O.J. Simpson case. Iraq was a former bodyguard. We use the term a bit colloquially. He was a part of those around in the sphere of O.J. Simpson. He was an important part.

of O.J. Simpson's, shall we say, And Simpson needed protection at times. And as Simpson's former bodyguard or part of his protection, of course, Iraq had ⁓ connection to Simpson and it had access

to information related to Simpson.

Iraq has been involved at various times with certain elements of society that allows him to be, shall we say, street smart. He understands the street and what occurs. He's also had run-ins with the law, and he's dealing with fighting.

back against claims and allegations against him right now. And we're gonna talk a little bit with him about that. We are going to talk about the evidence that he has as it relates to the Simpson trial and guilt and innocence. And we're going to see where this might take us.

as we are joined by Iraq Avelli.

Rock, thank you for joining us on the Andrew Parker Show.

So.

As I understand it, the information that you have comes from a time directly relevant to the facts surrounding the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. ⁓

So I say, doing the right and the king's issue.

Yes.

You were part of the Crips or Bloods or only six is Crips. Yeah, am Crips. Yes. All right.

Compton, LA. Compton is Compton. Yeah, it's Compton. It's Compton. It's its own, yeah. Yes, it's its own thing. So when the Rodney King situation happened, as everybody should already know, I'm just going to be blunt and be straight. OJ didn't give a damn about black people. You know what saying? I'm just going to be telling like it is. And you knew OJ pretty well. I knew OJ too well. You know what saying? I knew OJ too well. I used to him his cocaine. He used get his cocaine from me. Oh, OK. So he had a large cocaine.

Never in my life sold cocaine to Nicole.

It's an entourage got cocaine from me. So at the same time not just that I mean all this stuff is public It's already known public information, right? Cuz I want to I got caught trafficking cocaine from Florida Okay, and some leaving OJ house in Florida. That was after the case and everything This is in 2001 and some of the same guys that set me up. Yeah trafficking that cocaine was at OJ's house. Okay

And those are some of the same guys that testified against OJ at that frivolous robbery trial in Vegas. Oh yeah, the Vegas robbery trial that came after the Nicole Brown Simpson trial. So there was many times that I knew LAP was watching me, I FBI was watching me. And a lot of them so-called legendary guys who used hang out with OJ was pimps. And they would send up lot of L.A. members, so-called game members up.

Most of the game was like Crips of Bloods and got caught charges in Vegas was. Primaries were set up by these pimps that used to hang out with OJ. OK, and that is that how you got set up? That's how I got set up. The records will show I got caught trafficking cocaine from Florida. Did you do time for that? I beat that case on legal search and seizure. Oh, you did. All right. Because it was tipped off by the informant. Yeah. And it came directly from the same guys that testified against OJ at the.

All right, so it was thrown out. It was thrown out, but they used a gun that was allegedly built inside my Lexus and They use that gun to convict me in a trial in Vegas. All right So then there was a separate charge related to gun possession Well, they was going around saying I was robbing pimps and I was robbing people in Vegas and so

So were you convicted of the robbery charges? was with that gun. Yes I was. Okay. I convicted of... And you did time related to that? I did a total of nine years. Nine years, alright. And the whole time I was in prison, LAP and FBI...

And what years was that? I went to prison and I got convicted in 2002. I got out in 2009. I was in Max. When did OJ pass away? I'm trying to remember. Just in April. OJ just passed away. Just recently. yeah, yeah. And the last time me and OJ was together was 2018. OK. And so after you got out of prison, you continued your relationship with OJ. Me and CJ. CJ Clarence Stewart, the guy that did not testify against OJ. Yeah.

You know his name is Clarence Stewart his name CJ CJ. Yeah, CJ won his case on appeal. He was on the robbery charge with OJ Okay, but he was he never testified against OJ. Neither did I all right either one of us I mean they all right, but you continued your relationship with OJ. OJ was scared of me. OJ was super scared because I accused Whoever set me up. I told OJ I'm gonna get whoever set me up trafficking Yeah, cuz no matter what only a few people knew I was at his house leaving his house. Yeah in Florida

So that was in 2001, 2002. And that case, everybody's public record, was caught trafficking cocaine from Florida. But the thing about it, I beat that case on legal search and seizure. But two people called me right before I got pulled over. And those two people, I'm just gonna say their name, Michael Spencer. That's one of the guys that testified against OJ. He was always involved in human trafficking. He testified against OJ in the Raabbi Trial.

You see the dark skin guy. He said, Jay told him to bring a gun. But I just want to focus on, your relationship with OJ. You started working with him in the late 80s, right? And you worked with him through the time when the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson happened. Stop working with him and doing the right thing because he made a lot of comments. during Rodney King, which is around 91. One, absolutely. Before the death of Nicole Brown Simpson.

And so you were not working with him at the time of the death because of the comments he made towards black people and me being a black man. I'm a stand on my blackness no matter what. But he didn't care about black. Oh, Jane, I give a fuck about black people. OK, keep it real. Keep it straight. Keep it honest. Yeah. So he made some comments that I did not like. Yeah. So I shut it down. I did not get back with. Oh, we hooked up again in nineteen.

Oh, 99. All right, so during these years when the murder occurred, the trial occurred, he was acquitted, you know, due to the glove and whatever other mistakes the prosecutors made. You know, but he was acquitted. You were not kind of in his sphere. How is it that you came upon information that relates to O.J.'s guilt?

Yes, I see that. Let me show this picture. Yeah, there is a picture that Iraq, Aveli states he took with his camera in what year? In 2018.

We went to the alright, but what's the relevance? So you took a picture of him in 2018? What is that the word?

What really happened regarding what the double murders on the call? ⁓ all right And but what does that picture have to do with those murders because when he told me to me I took the picture and record. this is at the time that he Told you about what did he do? He admitted to the murder immediately being a part of it He admitted being a part of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman And and he admitted that at the time you took the picture

That I just showed in 2018 and the thing him and I had connected together He wanted to get off his chest because the same guys that set me up. Do you have a recording of him admitting to this? Yes, I do Okay, and where is that recording now? Well, a couple of recordings at Bloomington Police Department is in my backpack So you had a backpack with these recordings? Yes, were they on a jump drive thumb drive thumb drive

And so these thumb drives that recorded his admission to the murderer being a part of it ⁓ are in the backpack that is being held by the Bloomington Police Department? Absolutely. Okay. And how is it that the Bloomington Police Department got these critical pieces of evidence regarding admitting to these double murder? First of all, they use a confidential informant.

It's in my case. You see his name is Will Lapham. He tested, he was about to go to prison and he called his friends who was two detectives for Bloomington to the police department, George. Well, before we get into the detail of it, what you're saying is you were picked up for a charge that you claim is a false charge and the real purpose of picking you up was to get your backpack, which they now have in their custody.

Bloomington and and so you're saying that these charges are bogus everything's on video The whole so-called case I got one of my civil attorneys here right now, know We got everything on video cuz the house had security cameras. So everything they say I did I never did and and what are the charges against you assault over deadly weapon in possession of a firearm Allegedly beaten up because you were you were a felon and felons can't possession of firearms. So as we'll happen is about

He just got convicted. get it. But that's why they picked you up because they claimed you. Yes, they claim. But I never had a gun. You didn't have a gun. I never had a gun. No, they just used they know that they use that and they always throw up Iraq as a road assistive crib. He got strong ties with right night. They always bring that up. Bring up your history and part of the crib. Yeah. And people don't know. I did the 1993 game summits around the country. Yeah. Jim Brown. Yeah.

And we also, was also a part of American. You were on the good side there. Absolutely. You were out there with Jim Brown. That's right. All right. And my oldest brother is Rockhead Johnson from Compton. Jim Brown put him on me when I was 19. We run a country telling kids to stay out of the game. Right. Right. We run a country. Yeah. They don't tell that part of the story. only tell, yeah, he was part of the Crips and yeah. All right. So, so they've got these charges.

And I think they brought these charges against you back in 2022. Yes, they did. And they're still going on today? Yes, sir. What's taken so long? Well, for one thing, they first admitted that they never took my backpack. So they kept... fought. They claimed that they don't have it? At first they kept saying they never had it. They took my phone. Yeah. Because I had everything on the phone as well. Yeah. And they wiped it clean. They wiped it clean.

All so you got your phone back and had nothing on it. They made me sign and my civil attorney signed a paper. And you're saying that your phone had these admissions on it? Absolutely. What else did your phone have on it that related to the O.J. Simpson murder case? The people that he named that helped him. That helped him? Yeah. So he had help from other people? Absolutely. And he named them in his own voice on your phone? On my phone and on his phone. And your phone was wiped clean?

Bloomington Police Department and when was that that it happened in 2022 or more recent 2022 we ⁓ didn't get the phone back to 2023 right anything to show my innocence of the crime was in that phone on that phone took it was hooked up to surveillance innocence of the armed robbery or crime Yeah, the Bloomington crime that they wipe everything they wiped it clean and then and then in terms of the backpack They took your backpack

Have you sought to get the property inventory at the Bloomington police so you can see They won't give it to you, but you've tried to get it. We've been legally legally. You've tried to get it and you can't you can't get it I got my civil attorney mark Conant back. He filed a motion in civil court Yeah, and and brought up the backpack because I had not just in day. Well, I got an NDA and not disclosure agreement with OJ Yeah, I got an NDA with a lot of people in that backpack non-disclosure

That backpack has nothing to with the state of Minnesota. Right. No country band in it. Right. All those in that backpack. Do you know if the thumb drives are still in there? Well, he claimed there was six black thumbs. Who claimed George who essentially retired? he was a detective. Yeah. Yeah. So the detective claimed, yeah, there were six of them in there. But didn't they claim doesn't Bloomington police claim there's nothing of evidentiary value in in the backpack? Play for the people.

Yeah, well now I hear what you're saying. Well, if you got nothing to hide then let's let's play it up Cuz you claim that it yeah, I see but but you claim those thumb drives from your backpack Are Significant evidence of OJ Simpson's involvement in the dual double murder OJ wanted clear his chest and he wanted clear clear the air He wanted to say everything that happened. He trusted me to say

If you don't get the thumb drives, if you don't get the thumb drives in that backpack and your phone has been wiped clean, ⁓ what evidence is there that you're telling the truth? I always got copies. You got copies of the thumb drives? You see all these copies, multiple colors? Well, I see them, but you know, I don't know what they are. I know, but like I say, I got copies.

So you're saying you have copies of the thumb drives that were in the backpack. Wait, wait, that OJ Simpson admitted his involvement in the double murder. Absolutely. So you don't need what's on the backpack. course you do, but in terms of the proof of the admissions by ⁓ OJ Simpson when you interviewed him and he wanted to get things off his chest.

You've got that on recording. But this is an active investigation. I don't want to be caught up in no... I'm not asking you to play them. I'm just asking they exist. So, I mean, my thing is to you... So, if somebody, you know, gave you a subpoena for that information, you could give it to them. If I want to. Yeah. Well, if it's a subpoena, if you don't do it, the court gets involved. Yeah, absolutely. But the same thing, I had NDA, a non-disclosure agreement, and I do not...

All right, so you don't violate the NDA but a court could order you to anyway But the thing about the court can also order the Bloomington Police Department to turn them over as well Yeah, yeah, they could but the point is you want transparency Absolutely. So you want to be able to play these but you don't want to violate your NDA. Absolutely All right. So but you are saying that they exist They definitely exist not in the backpack, but your duplicates that you have definitely have you have

Okay, and what is it that's on those? We're not gonna play them, ⁓ but you because you got an NDA as it relates to that. Can you speak about what is it that's on those recordings?

I can speak to this right here. You can hear OJ's voice. Okay, and you know it's OJ. That's right. You can hear his voice and my voice. I mean, it's pretty clear it's OJ and you. Absolutely. All right. And you're asking him questions or you're giving him a chance to talk. Yeah. And he's talking. He don't have no other choice. Yeah, he's talking though. He's talking. All right. And you've heard these recordings yourself. You made them. Yeah.

And he's talking and what he says is very important evidentiary evidence related to the double murder. Absolutely. And to the exact same guys that set me up trafficking in cocaine. Well, that's a different man. I know, but I'm gonna bring it up though. Okay. because the thing of the point I'm making, the reason why they DNA, they didn't have these guys DNA because they've been informants for a whole long time. Yeah.

You know what saying? They be hailing this shit as informants. And basically you're saying they are not trustworthy. Fuck no. Okay. My problem. All right, so they're not trustworthy. They're saving their own skin and they don't care about the truth. They're just trying to hang you out to dry. I mean, they've been trying to keep me in prison for a long time. Yeah. They've been trying to keep me, every time I'm looking around, I'm getting some kind of charges. Yeah.

Yeah, and you have a criminal lawyer on that case. Yes, I do I have many criminal lawyers What's the status of the case this? 2022 case that they brought against you in Bloomington. What's the status now status now? They saying I'm incompetent cuz I've been shot in the head. They

playing football, I'm incompetent to go to Yeah, I looked up your case and I saw a rule 20.01, incompetency finding, more than one. ⁓ And I don't know what to make of that. It's a somewhat unusual finding. Courts don't find incompetence all that often. Why are they finding that here? So they won't go along with the trial. So don't get my property back. So they're just delaying.

As long as possible and making you look bad you got it So I didn't I was not the one to come forward to say it was blooming complete departments, you know did this now. Yeah. Are you incompetent? Pull like this here. I don't trust the system All right. Well, there are lot of people that don't trust the system, but are you know, do you believe you're incompetent? Are you able I'm gonna pull like this here. Do I seem like I've never been civilly committed? Well, I'm sitting here right next to you. You don't seem incompetent to me, but you know

You know when the court makes that finding you presume it's it's got a foundation to it It doesn't always but you presume that at least but I'll tell a person a minute. I got PTSD times three Okay, I come in peace. I leave in peace. you don't see me out here committing crime Do you see me committed another crime since 222? No, I haven't seen it Okay, the so-called witness and alleged victim the call for ten cases. Yeah ten cases Uh-huh. We'll lap them just got caught trafficking cocaine

Yeah. Human trafficking. But there's nothing going on with your case. That's my point. That's the thing about it. They playing politics with me. They trying to force me to talk. By Bloomington coming out police department saying, ⁓ he's talking to himself. How can I be talking to my someone else, a narrator? Yeah. All them thumb drives got a narrator. Yeah. Just like you narrating this right here. So if you hear my voice and you hear your voice, people already know it's two people talking, correct? Yeah. So why Bloomington police department? Since they say that, ⁓ OJ bodyguard's talking.

Play it for the people. Play it for the people. So they're claiming that what's on the thumb drives that were in the backpack was one person talking to himself. How can that be? First of all. And you're saying that is baloney. That is bullshit. I'm sorry again. Well, it can be baloney. It can be BS. BS. Put it that way. Ask them where's the warrant for the backpack. And plus the lock for the backpack. Because the backpack was locked.

What about that the warrant issue? How is it that do they have your backpack and that they have a right to it? And tell me how they got in the backpack Who how to bloom the police would get police? ⁓ the detective? Yeah, because he go to key. Yeah, there's a key show the people Yeah, the key to the lock on the backpack. Yeah, right there. Yeah here here you can you can see kind of you know that there's a key that is

Tape to the back of this card. That's the key to the lock on the back. But how did they get in it? And how they know it was my backpack? Yeah. Well, they could have torn it open. Who knows? But I mean, you got to have a warrant for a lock back. Well, that's right. That's right. But that's what I was going to ask you. How do they even have the backpack? What's the basis for them taking your backpack? We'll lap them told my head the end day with OJ. ⁓ OK. The confidence. So he provided evidence.

to allow for them to take the backpack. So he went and go to prison. He said, hey, I rocked out an NDA with thumb drive with OJ Simpson. Is there stuff on that thumb drive that would have implicated Lapham? No, not at all. He was trying to sell the story. OK. He used that to get out and go into prison. He's on five years probation. Yeah. And he was working as a confidential informant, a paid confidential informant. I don't think taxpayers like people, you know, using their taxpayers' dollars to use a confidential informant.

We are talking to Iraq Avelli, ⁓ one-time bodyguard and in the sphere of O.J. Simpson, who speaks of him interviewing O.J. Simpson in 2018 at a time when Simpson wanted to get things off his chest and is heard on

thumb drives as a valley states it ⁓ That in which OJ Simpson ⁓ admits his involvement in the double murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman back ⁓ in 1994 June of 1994 Iraq Again, thank you for being with us. We'll be right back

Bye.

we return with Iraq, a valley to talk of OJ Simpson and the double murder and some of the well ups and downs since that time as it relates to the evidence. So who killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman if it wasn't as occurred in the courtroom in 1995 if it wasn't OJ Simpson.

he was as we know acquitted of that crime a rock of ellie saying that he has evidence that runs counter to that acquittal ⁓ Iroc how do you think you might go about ⁓ getting your backpack back in your possession well let's say this i'm not going to the jury got the case wrong in l.a. nineteen eighty four okay he was charged with murder

that he was charged with conspiracy.

So you think someone else may have done the murder but he was involved because the medical examiner already told us more than one person that was more than one knife was used. OJ admitted.

So he may not have even killed them, but he had it done. He was a part. He admitted. I'm just saying what he admitted to me. Because you were I mean, he's talking to you. You're recording it. He's admitting it. You're hearing it. I'm hearing it. And what you're hearing is he admitted his involvement. He wanted his story to get out correctly. Yes. He wanted his story to get out correctly. He said, know, whether it's true or not, you know, because it's years later. It's OJ Simpson.

saying what he's saying. But it's important evidence. And that is still an open case, isn't it? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we got an interview right here. LAPD constantly interviewing me. And here you go, thumb drive right here for one of interviews. Are you saying that the LAPD and the FBI are still involved actively in this case? Absolutely. So they are still looking at who

Did this murder. want to. He's not is that is right? Absolutely. OK. But they know I don't talk. mean, thing about it, these guys. They sent me to prison. I did my time. But here seems to be the rub. You talk about this backpack, the backpack Bloomington police have. You talk about the wrongful charges that are being levied against you by the Bloomington police.

as kind of a subterfuge to avoid the evidence that in fact is in that backpack. But the fact is you have copies of what's in that backpack. The fact is I held this since 2018. I never went public with nothing. You held the copies and all of it. I never went public. I understood. I never went public.

Now you're going public. Because Bloomington Police Department legally took my backpack and said I was talking to myself. Yeah. And you can't... opened up Pandu's box themselves. Okay. So now you want to go public, but you don't want to because of the NDAs. That's right. But I never went public. So if a court ordered you to, even in light of the NDAs, you would do it. You'd go public with everything. Under the advice of my attorneys. Yeah. If the attorneys advised you, it was okay.

I'm gonna say this make this very clear. Let me be perfectly clear. I had those NDAs ever since 2018. Menno J did NDA in 2018. And you haven't breached them or violated them once. I never went public. Because I know a lot of his shit was, I mean a lot of stuff he told me was watered down. Okay, I know a lot of stuff was watered down. I've been in prison before. Where he didn't fully come out with everything. But he came out with enough. He came out with enough. He came out with enough that...

Betrayed more than did he name other people that he did. Can you name those names or you can't you can't? right a confidential informants their confidential informants, absolutely And and are these people that the public would know their names? Absolutely because you look at one of them out of fact one of God they gave immunity to when he testified against OJ in the robbery trial It was his cousin. ⁓ yeah

They've been confidential in the city of Las Vegas. They sent a lot of people to prison in Las Vegas. And they was always involved with beating up women. Wow. Not good. Well, I'll tell you, ⁓ it's ⁓ fascinating. It's a very interesting story. I like when things transpire down the trail here, both in your case as well as as it relates to this evidentiary information.

⁓ that you have. ⁓ come back on the Andrew Parker show and we can talk more about it. ⁓ Absolutely ⁓important. ⁓ You know, people are going to have their differences of opinion as to what's fact, what's fiction, what's real, what isn't, what's going on with the Bloomington police, what's going on with the court and the findings of competence and competence.

All those sorts of things where you know what state of mind OJ Simpson was in is that OJ Simpson once they hear ⁓ the person on the audio I think his voice is fairly distinct so as mine and yours is as well. So ⁓ yeah we would we'd like to have you back on as this transpires and thank you very much for coming on today. You are listening to the Andrew Parker show episode four hundred and thirty

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