Buildex 2024 D1E2 | Future of Construction Tech with Luke Forrest, Sr. Regional Manager at Autodesk

Step into the future of construction with James Faulkner of Autodesk, as he joins us from the lively BuildX Vancouver 2024. Get ready to traverse the groundbreaking advancements in construction technology and discover how the fusion of human skill and robotic precision is reshaping our industry. We reminisce with James about the seismic shifts since Autodesk's game-changing acquisition of Plangrid and uncover the strategic maneuvers behind their hefty investment in construction tech, including their latest acquisition spree.

Navigating new tech in the construction realm isn't just about the tools; it's about the people and processes that make innovation tick. This episode peels back the layers on the necessity of roles dedicated to data and system understanding, pivotal for driving operations and profitability forward. We tackle the myths stalling tech adoption head-on and celebrate the success stories that light the way. Through robust training and internal accountability, we explore how companies are overcoming hurdles to smoothly integrate cutting-edge software solutions.

Finally, we cast our eyes to what lies ahead for the construction industry with a focus on robotics, AI, and the digital transformation of traditional practices. Witness the shift from Excel to cloud solutions and learn how strategic, incremental steps can lead to substantial ROI. As communication and document management evolve, we ponder the coexistence of human and machine on the modern construction site. By the end of our conversation, you'll grasp the full potential of integrating AI and robotics into construction, all while keeping the human touch that's central to our craft. Join us on this journey into the dynamic future of construction, where innovation is not just imagined but implemented.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Site. Visit podcast Leadership and perspective from construction With your host, james Faulkner, live from BuildX Vancouver 2024. Mr Forest, hey, how are you doing? I'm doing well, you're back in the saddle here.

Speaker 2: 0:27

I know I was thinking about it the other day. I think it's been probably four or five years. It's the last time I was here. We had just got acquired at Plangrid by Autodesk.

Speaker 1: 0:35

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 0:36

Yeah, and that shows how much time is flying, because I've worked almost double the amount of time at Autodesk than Plangrid.

Speaker 1: 0:43

So you did tell me your new title, which was you might need to. It's like a page turner. It's quite long, so give it to us.

Speaker 2: 0:51

Yeah, so I'm the Senior Regional Manager of Western US Territory Sales at Autodesk, focused on our construction product suites. Wow.

Speaker 1: 0:58

Yeah, yeah, that's Thank God. There's no business cards anymore, because you'd need like a long, wide one.

Speaker 2: 1:04

You know what? Last time I printed a business card, I think by the time they came it was obsolete. I got another title anyways. So yeah, it's definitely find me on LinkedIn. I'm definitely active on there and that's why you, you are.

Speaker 1: 1:14

You are, yeah, try to be Well, thanks for coming on, I appreciate it. I know that we sort of hit each other in certain ways with certain customer cohorts that we have, you know, Autodesk, sitemax, yeah, so maybe just give us a. I want to talk to you about the future of construction because I think things are probably changing quite quickly, as you can tell. Where do you see the big innovation, changes with Autodesk and what you guys are looking at right now?

Speaker 2: 1:40

Yeah, we were obviously doing a lot of things. We actually just acquired a company called PayOps or GCP, depending on if you live in Australia or North America and so we continue to innovate. I think over the last five years, autodesk made a big investment in construction. You know, everyone you mentioned Autodesk will say, hey, I use AutoCAD or I use Revit. This building we're sitting in is probably most likely designed by an Autodesk software, and so really what we're looking forward to is allowing customers to work in their Autodesk solutions across the entire lifecycle of construction.

Speaker 1: 2:11

Right.

Speaker 2: 2:11

So when it starts and design, those can transfer into our construction and asset management turnover. So there's lots of things we're doing. You know, obviously, like all large tech companies, we're looking at AI and what that means to our business. We already acquired some companies previously that do some of that work for us. So the innovation at Autodesk is endless really. So we try to listen to our customers as best we can. When you have as many customers as we do, it is hard to kind of narrow in on one area, but we have just in the construction side of our group, over 1,000 developers working on the Autodesk Construction Cloud Wow.

Speaker 1: 2:43

That's a lot of people 1,000 developers, developers Whoa, that is crazy. That's more than we have.

Speaker 2: 2:49

Yeah, a couple I'd imagine. Right, but a lot of that came from the acquisitions of companies like Building Connected. I come from Plangrid originally. That was acquired back in 2017.

Speaker 1: 2:57

So how many people from Plangrid made their way into Autodesk?

Speaker 2: 3:01

When we got acquired we were probably around 500 people, and so a lot of what has made the Autodesk Construction Cloud as those groups we continue to integrate into the core business of Autodesk on the design side, and so now there's people parsed in different areas, so we have a multitude of levels, whether it's named accounts, mid-market territory, which I cover, and so we do really run the gamut. We do manufacturing. We have a movie making group that does all the visual effects. If you go to the Toronto office, there's actually an Oscar that sits in there. So it's a very unique company to work at. And really, when they focus on what we do, we're really focusing on design to make. You can design it at AutoCAD or Revit or the other solutions you can make in the Autodesk Construction Cloud or other solutions, and so we really do run the gamut of how do we support different types of customers across their life cycle and journey.

Speaker 1: 3:49

That's pretty cool, the so in terms of the competitive landscape. I'm not going to name names. I'm just going to give you a moniker that I've recently come up. We're going to call it the Big Orange. Ok, so you guys come up against the Big Orange. So I took that from IBM's Big Blue.

Speaker 2: 4:11

Yeah and you know it's funny, it's previously, before working in construction tech, I worked at SAP right and it was SAP, Oracle and then ultimately Microsoft who's played in the space and Salesforce has grown and I think when you look at the competition right, everyone's taking a different approach of where they started from. I think it's really down to the customer to make a decision on which one fits their business. At the current time, I think the construction technology market overall is just scratching the surface. Honestly, In the eight years that I've been in construction tech, there has been tremendous amounts of innovation, but we're still not getting anywhere close to the level of sophistication that will come in the next 10 to 15 years.

Speaker 1: 4:48

Yeah, so where do you see you touched on that you might. You've acquired some AI companies. Where is that AI being? Is it in tasks that are like setting up projects, setting up things and being able to analyze what last projects did? So you're sort of starting at a further state forward rather than having to reinvent the wheel every time. I mean, it's kind of like like I've even seen this is a very rudimentary example but even in Google Docs, now you'll start and it'll just give you it's not even a template. There's three buttons come up. It's like do you want to start with the document? Like you had last time. I was like, oh, that's pretty cool, so I didn't have to reinvent it every time. It's that boring kind of work AI seems to be able to do. That very, very well is repeated tasks are kind of gone.

Speaker 2: 5:40

Yeah, there's tons of stuff that we're doing there, but I'll focus on what we're doing in construction. We acquired a company probably three years ago now, which is three years ago. Now would be a third acquisition between when we've actually acquired a company that does estimating and Pro-Est, and now we've acquired GC Pay, which I was on vacation so still catching up on that but Pipe, which is now auto specs, allows you to throw your spec book into our system and extract all of the submittal information to start that process quicker. When we look at the advantage that has on the construction industry, we have confirmed with many customers that it cuts down like two weeks of work. Now that work is usually given to a junior person and I think when you look at what's changing in the industry is when you originally started selling that tool, people said I want them to go through that, I want them to know what's in there. And I think now, with the labor shortage and the ability to try to get projects started quicker and try to reduce errors, tools like that and the AI to be able to extract that information, throw it in our submittal tool to then start the approval process. Architects, engineers, sub-trades, whoever that is Like that has a huge monetary value to companies, and so I think that's an example.

Speaker 2: 6:42

The other one that we have in our system is you're able to take photos and it will recognize if it's a wall, if it's a beam, if it's a joint, if it's a door, and so if you're tagging issues, it'll automatically tag the location is another area where that's been around since Plangrid, where you will have the exact longitude and latitude of where this photo is taken. So if you think about large infrastructure projects, which are top of mind right now for both the US and Canada the ability to have that exact where this photo or issues taken, if you go back to have to re-rip up that road, you're going to know what's underneath because of the photos. And I think that automation is one component. But when you look at the automation of reporting and predictability that's something that Autodesk has had for five years with Construction IQ it's telling you what problems to look out in certain projects.

Speaker 2: 7:27

Now that becomes really complex, because the data and the structures that they have at the construction level have to be good, right, and I think one of the things that I think needs to improve for the construction industry is the way that they are structuring or looking at or figuring out what they want to see from a data standpoint to be able to act on it. And I think when people have implemented solutions, they haven't thought about what is the workflow we're trying to get to or what are we trying to solve. Because originally the problem was we want to get off paper. I would say that most of the industry 80%, because there's still definitely this 20% out there that are a little bit laggers in that space They've already implemented a sitemax or the big orange or Autodesk or some of the other solutions in the market. But now it's how do we optimize what we do within these systems to get us where we need to go?

Speaker 1: 8:11

Right, right. So are you guys seeing transfer into you guys from orange A?

Speaker 2: 8:19

little bit. I would definitely say there's that. But I think for in the market there's an opportunity for everyone. It really does depend on what the customer is looking for. I think where we win in the market overall, I think, is we're able to take everything from design through to construction right.

Speaker 2: 8:37

The other competitors in the market are the ones using our files to be able to do the job Correct. We're the ones creating the files and connecting to that, and so Autodesk is in that unique position where the architect and engineer and mechanical or whoever's designing the buildings they're able to design it in Revit. That Revit workflow can then go get Clash Detect automatically. Right, we talk about AI, the ability to automatic Clash Detection, to sign that out to individuals, whether it's in Revit. That goes back to that system and then back into our construction cloud and from there we're able to budget out that project. We're able to execute on that project, we're able to turn over that project with the tools that we have, and so I think that really is the advantage that we have in the market is truly the end-to-end construction management.

Speaker 2: 9:16

Now, there are definitely challenges that come with that, because there is still construction contracts in the way that data moves between individuals.

Speaker 2: 9:22

But we're doing something really innovative with a tool called Bridge, which is allowing the core site.

Speaker 2: 9:28

So, let's say, a general contractor is the one who owns the. I am going to own data as part of this If you're a sub-trade on that project and you want to manage your own data because after construction you still have a contract with it. You can replicate that data from a drawing standpoint, from a document standpoint that as soon as you get floated in the core site, it will come to your Autodesk site. So everyone walks away from the project with valuable information, improves closeout time, improves what the owner is getting from those sub-trades and GC is working on the project, and so, again, this is a very new concept to construction and is very confusing, but it's what the industry's asked for. I think when you look at what people have asked for, which is, hey, the biggest problem we have is everyone's got their own version. This will allow for somebody at a core tenant to have that information and disperse it out into other sites, and I think that's a big advantage that we have in the industry is the ability to do all that stuff.

Speaker 1: 10:16

Yeah, what do you wish would change?

Speaker 2: 10:21

I think I probably said this four years ago, but I think the biggest gap that construction companies have in picking up construction technology is when you look at the way they're broken down, and when I started working construction tech, it was always who's the young PM that's good with his technology, that's gonna implement this solution? Well, when you come out of trade school or you become a project management, your background is not operation management, it's not on data structure management, it's not on how do I integrate an ERP system the number one question. I ask the customers. They say, oh, I want to integrate into my financials. Have you done this before? Has someone there done it before?

Speaker 2: 10:54

Because these are complex things that include, you know, apis and data and mapping and how do we report on this and holding people accountable to the structures that you need to follow as a business.

Speaker 2: 11:04

So I think the biggest growth that needs to happen at all levels is hiring people that aren't tied to actual project execution and tied to how do we run the business, and I think that's ultimately where the industry and you see it in larger companies, where they'll have VDC groups or they'll have operations groups, but for your mid-sized general contractors, anybody who's doing 15 to 30 million that one person you hire for, whatever the dollar total is can have immense value, because then you're starting to get that insight that allows you to say where do we lose money on this project and how do we focus in on that area and also hold people accountable to the standards that we need as a business.

Speaker 2: 11:35

But everyone's running too quick, right? That's the problem is, we got to build this as a tight turnaround and that's why I think when you try to do it through project managers or even a VP of construction, they're too busy to deal with this. You need someone who's an advocate, and in sales, for example, which is where I come from we have sales operations that help us manage our data. We have marketing operations.

Speaker 1: 11:53

You have CRMs. You got a lot of CRMs. We have CRMs right.

Speaker 2: 11:55

And so these systems are CRMs, they're project management, they host a lot of data and you'll hear a lot of people in industry say the data's the new gold for construction. But how do we operationalize that data and make it useful to making decisions in the future?

Speaker 1: 12:09

So do you think it's the fact that for a construction company to be profitable, there's very little margin on a GC side anyway, more on the sub trade side but that they, in order to implement anything new, they kind of have to almost press pause or do two things at once they're old stuff and the new stuff because they're not sure, and sold, that the new stuff will work how they want it to. Yeah, so how do you guys address that at AutonF?

Speaker 2: 12:36

At this point I would tell the customer if you don't think it works at this point we have thousands and thousands of use cases that says it does right and I think it's our job to guide them through what we have seen in both success and failure within rollouts. No offense to the customers, but usually when software rollouts are not successful, a lot of it falls to them because they don't resource it. You have somebody's doing two jobs this is their secondary job, not their primary job or they don't pay for professional services and training. So if you look at any successful software rollout, those individuals have to be trained, retrained because there's new features and you have to have accountability where there's someone internally that owns this. And if there is no accountability, if a superintendents accountable to building the building, who's accountable to rolling out the software?

Speaker 2: 13:25

And I think that, ultimately, is some of the changes that we continue to see happen. The good companies are doing it, but I think that is where I would focus on if I was a construction company is how are we rolling this out? What does success look like? And also not doing too much at once, right, get bite-sized wins and then from those bite-sized wins you can roll out additional features. Most companies will come to us and say we want to do everything. And we'll say to them let's slow this down, let's get some wins, and then the people are more receptive to using more of the technology.

Speaker 1: 13:51

Nice. So what is the typical entry point for your customers? Is it just the overall concept of adopting an entire cloud solution or is it the fact? What are the main features that bring people into your platform that haven't been in there before?

Speaker 2: 14:10

Yeah, I would say we always sell on pain right. What is the pain point of your business and what can we fix that you get tangible ROI and value today? But there is a vision of like, where are we going to go in?

Speaker 1: 14:18

terms of partnership. I guess what I'm asking. What are the common threads that you see that most customers are like what is the most pain?

Speaker 2: 14:24

Yeah, because we sell a magnitude of products right across pre-construction and site construction. It's different. I would say that communication and document management is still the number one. Cost management would be definitely number two, right, construction companies are just laser focused on how they manage their costs. As you mentioned, margins are tight, as they've ever been, right, and so how we do that, and then from the pre-construction standpoint, it's still the numbers, right. Hey, I'm estimating, and a lot of the estimating that's been happening in the industry has been done on Excel, so how do we repeat that and have that data that you talked about earlier around? What do we look like on another project? Should we be doing this project? Should we even tender this based on the numbers that we're seeing and what we got to get to? I think those are some of the key things that drive people in, which is just still managing the dollars, managing the documentation, and then everything else is a bonus that they add on as they go, but those are probably the three core things.

Speaker 1: 15:16

So are people still sharing drawings in the same plan grid way that plan grid was? Is that still kind of the is that viral growth. You saw this from plan grid right away. It was. Can you get me those drawings? Y'all share it with you. You open an account and suddenly you're maybe using the free version. You're collaborating on set of drawings.

Speaker 2: 15:37

Well, we have a variety of different ways in which you can set up an account with us. So we have account based, which is the ability for everybody to see. So, again, mainly general contractor owner mechanical would buy that kind of model. It depends on the number of employees and the value they get. But that bridge idea of round everybody's able to see it if you load in the tenant site is kind of where we're pushing towards, which is everyone can have that same information. But it is very similar, right? It's. The one big change that has come from plan grid is the ability to hide information if you're a general contractor owner, the ability to hide some files, drawings you want everybody to see. So it's the same mechanism. And that is really. When you look at the Autodesk construction cloud, although it's been rebuilt, a lot of the core strong things that plan grid did on the mobile side and then the document management is still very much part of the system.

Speaker 1: 16:21

Nice, okay. So where do you see all of this like? When you're laying your head down on the pillow at night? Do you think of what construction is going to look like in 10 years from now? In terms of like, maybe, so maybe. A couple of categories here maybe robotics, ai, labor.

Speaker 2: 16:41

Yeah, I definitely think about it quite a bit and I think when we start talking about robotics and AI, I think AI is definitely kind of the buzzword that's in the industry right now. I think the industry needs to focus and I think the industry often talks three years ahead of where it actually is, because last time we're on this, we're talking about BIM. Bim workflows still haven't been enabled across the industry and to me that's crazy. Like this is 2024, cars are driving themselves and we're building off 2D drawing sets rather than a model that you can easily build and that's easier to visualize what we're doing From an AI standpoint. I do think that that's going to be an ability to streamline some of that data that we talked about and make it easier in terms of some of the stuff that we're trying to track.

Speaker 2: 17:22

I don't think it's a be all end all for the labor shortage, but, again, the more that we can streamline and operationalize and speed up the way in which we're doing some of these tasks rather than the building, that's going to have a huge, huge effect on the future of construction. But I still think we need to become BIM enabled. There's huge advantages If you look at general contractors and owners the fact that clash detection is still not done in every single project and you talk to everyone, right? We'll get customers and they'll say, hey, we want to improve our RFI process. They'll say, well, why don't we fix you not having RFIs? Because we have the ability to do that If you have a better clash detection process that doesn't end up on site and you're telling me your average RFI is costing you a change order of $20,000,.

Speaker 2: 18:00

If you have 10 of those in product, there's the barge in right. So if you improve the upstream pre-construction process, the downstream construction process will be a lot better. So I think the industry itself with AI is going to be beneficial and the ability to do a lot of that work automatically, but the work itself still needs a human touch of okay. This is why this can't go here. There is going to be a clash and the human element is let's get the data in front of them to make decisions rather than spending all the time collecting data.

Speaker 1: 18:26

Oh, okay. So on the robotics side, I mean, I think to me, so we had the SuperDroids guys, we did. Did you listen to that?

Speaker 2: 18:36

No, I have not listened to that, but I see the robots at every single trade show I go to and they're definitely freaky.

Speaker 1: 18:41

They are. They are freaky. I mean the ones that make perfect sense, the ones that go and lay out a slab. It's amazing, right? What do you think of the? Do you think there's enough trust in the accountability of a robot? It could just get it all wrong. I mean, somebody's going to come up to fact check that whole thing after it's done, right?

Speaker 2: 18:59

Yeah, but if you ask them construction VPs and people that are president's construction company they might trust the robot at this point more than some of their own workers, depending on the worker. I had a conversation that was interesting about that recently, I do think for some of the demolition stuff going on, the robots taking part in that, I think there's definitely the ability to get around some of the labor shortage with that. I do wonder and there was 60 minutes where they were talking about 3D printed homes in Texas, can't remember the company's name, but it was really unique.

Speaker 2: 19:28

And I think that's where how do we speed up the building process through using some of this technology that we have, that not every home needs to be custom, that we need to build, and how do we end up doing that with robotics or systems that are able to help us? I do think that will fill a major gap in the future. I think that's where it's going, and if you look at the innovation of some of the people that are pushing that like, I do think those are the companies that are going to win over a period of time. Right, it's the status quo today. If you're trying to think about the status quo, you will end up losing in the future.

Speaker 1: 19:56

Yeah, no for sure. So definitely the intersection or the sort of harmony between modular building and robotics? I think will definitely be it, because you probably saw those sort of V1 versions of these. It looks like icing making the walls and it looks like a Michelin man wall.

Speaker 1: 20:18

It's all weird looking right, you're thinking how's this rebar work and how structurally sound is that? You start to think about all of those things. But when you go modular, you're talking autonomous vehicles, autonomous cranes, robotics, receiving, I guess the hard part, and you probably know that's not a problem to say it to you. But it is interesting that often with innovation, a lot of ideas come to the construction realm with the manufacturing mindset, like a manufacturing floor. The problem is that environment and construction is the floor is evolving, so it's never the same.

Speaker 1: 20:57

It's not like Tesla where you can just suddenly have we make half a million bottle threes and then the tooling is the same every single time. You just bang it out. The tooling has to change constantly because the actual environment is changing and it's vertically growing, it's expanding. So everything is this peril, possible peril everywhere, and we are many, many years away from there only being machines on site. So as soon as there's a proliferation of machines, then you have serious possible injuries because machines are strong. So there's lots of stuff that's going to be happening that I find pretty interesting on where things can go. So what are your thoughts? Has Autodesk acquired any robotics companies? Is that in the Not yet.

Speaker 2: 21:45

We're mainly still in the software business, right? I think that's a mixture of hardware and software. I'm not in that area of the business that makes those decisions. We have an entire group of people but I do think your point of like.

Speaker 2: 21:57

How do they interact with the humans? Think about a site safety meeting on Monday morning and you've got 12 robots in there and then all your workers. I don't think anyone's really thought that through yet. It's like do they have to adhere or they're just going to be roaming around the room is cleaning the floor, but what happens if someone's trying to hang?

Speaker 1: 22:12

a seal. Well, they don't have to adhere because they just do what you're telling them.

Speaker 2: 22:14

Yeah, exactly, they can do whatever you want, but yeah, I do think that will be interesting. I wonder the first company to be able to figure that out is going to win, and I think, ultimately, it's a very interesting time in the convergence of robot plus human beings generally as an overall human, like even chat. Gpt is changing everything immediately in AI and so, for construction, how do you utilize those tools? And I still think it's in the data. I think those areas are going to help with the labor shortage. But I think the automation of workflows, the ability to track people when they're on site that's something that we hear all the time. It's I want to track what's happening, automatic safety reporting that goes out through an automatic field form and populates, and so that's the stuff that I think we're really focused on is how do we take some of that insight from AI, populate it to make decisions at the executive level and allow them to figure out where they want to make investments?

Speaker 1: 23:04

Crazy.

Speaker 2: 23:05

Yeah, it is a crazy time it is.

Speaker 1: 23:07

It is a crazy time. Do you think that the next so I guess innovation multiples like if you were to talk about an hour development time that used to take an hour is now taking 15 minutes? Do you think that we're now in this compression time where innovation is coming so fast we don't know, almost don't know what to do with it?

Speaker 2: 23:32

I would say so. I think I've said for a while that I actually think our software is ahead of where the industry's at, because if you look at the utilization, of our tool and the ability of what it does.

Speaker 2: 23:41

the industry hasn't actually caught up to it. Again, back to clash detection. Not everybody in the industry is clashing every job in an effective manner. So if we haven't got there, we haven't actually realized the tools that we have today rather than the tools in the future, and I think that's got to be. The focus is, we've got to operationalize and figure out how much of these tools that we already purchased can we get value out of and then look to expand Again. It's that walk, run, sprint approach and I think we're still in the we're starting to lightly jog.

Speaker 1: 24:07

Lightly jog. I like to lightly jog, it's good. No sweat, no sweat, no sweat.

Speaker 2: 24:11

Listen, you'll go to a site and you'll see TVs and touch plans and all that stuff which is different than eight years ago, but you'll still go to a couple that got drawings there, and that's the way they're communicating is through email. I still hear tons of hey, we're tracking RFIs through email, Like that. We started talking about robotics. Yeah, we're still tracking RFIs through email. We're still not at the inflection point of when that needs to come in.

Speaker 1: 24:35

Yeah, well, it's still gonna come down to the. You know what the sub trade has, yeah, and what they're willing to do, and often you know it's a, it's a sub trades market. It is, and you know, a GC. Can you know they? They're not all, they're not getting, they're not, they don't have a lineup of people who can do this work. So it's basically, you are, you're stuck to how the GC, how the sub, sometimes wants to. Just you just have to accept it.

Speaker 2: 25:04

Yeah, and I do think that one of the areas the construction industry and you can see it that they're working on improving it. From From when I started, construction tech was trying to get younger people and, I think, innovation and the future tracks that attracts it For sure, right?

Speaker 2: 25:17

if you have kids that are playing video games all the time and that's what they grow up on, then you give them an email, rfi and a 2d drawing and say go, build it. They're gonna look at you and go why am I here? Right, and I think that when you look at the what's so exciting about the industry, as you see what you build and it is, each one is unique and it is truly a project that you got to think through. But adding that innovation layer of here's how we want you to take this on. I think that's what excites people, right. It's when you give them an old-school job and say it's the way we've done it forever. That's not very enticing to a kid coming out of school that wants to change the world.

Speaker 1: 25:49

No, that's true. Thinks they can change it. Well, hopefully that's cool. Okay, luke, always a pleasure. Thank you, man, I really appreciate it. Thanks for stopping by. Your new branding looks good. Yeah, it's nice, it's nice, nice and black, yeah, very.

Speaker 2: 26:04

Star Wars, very Star Wars.

Speaker 1: 26:05

It's good. Yeah, they did. I won't call you.

Speaker 2: 26:07

Darth Vader yeah, luke, I am your father. I've heard a million times in my life, so, yeah, okay, I appreciate you.

Speaker 1: 26:12

Awesome Thanks, man. Well, that does it for another episode of the site visit. Thank you for listening. Be sure to stay connected with us by following our social accounts on Instagram and YouTube. You can also sign up for a monthly newsletter at sitemaxsystemscom slash, the site visit, where you'll get industry insights, pro tips and everything you need to know about the site visit podcast and Sitemax, the job site and construction management tool of choice for thousands of contractors in North America and beyond. Sitemax is also the engine that powers this podcast. All right, let's get back to building.