Buildex 2024 D2E8 | Video Security Technology Integration in the Construction Industry with Laura Flamm and Blair Shellenberg from Motorola Solutions

Embark on a journey through the cutting-edge intersection of construction technology with our esteemed guests, Laura Flamm and Blair Shellenberg from Motorola Solutions. Prepare to be captivated as we uncover how product technology partnerships are revolutionizing the integration of video and access control software within the construction industry's complex tech ecosystems. Blair brings an infectious enthusiasm for cloud-based video surveillance solutions, offering a glimpse into the future where security systems are both adaptable and comprehensive, tailored to the unique demands of construction site safety and logistics.

Step into a world where artificial intelligence isn't just a buzzword, but a game-changer for on-site safety and efficiency. In this episode, we're exploring the innovative AI models that serve as vigilant guardians, monitoring sites and ensuring strict adherence to safety protocols through advanced video analytics. Imagine cameras so smart, they can recognize the color of a worker's hard hat, and systems so intuitive, they autonomously maintain compliance with 'set it and forget it' ease. This conversation is a must-listen for those ready to witness how AI integration is setting new benchmarks in the realm of construction security solutions.

Finally, we'll navigate the evolving landscape of construction site security, highlighting the powerful integration of body cameras and advanced analytics, and drawing parallels to the meticulous asset tracking seen in healthcare systems. From RFID tags to license plate recognition software, we discuss how these technologies not only bolster security but also refine operational workflows. Dive into an immersive discussion on how Motorola Solutions is crafting a more secure, smarter, and safer future for the construction industry, transforming challenges into opportunities with their trailblazing technologies.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Site. Visit podcast. Leadership and perspective from construction With your host, James Faulkner.

Speaker 2: 0:09

Live from BuildX Vancouver 2024.

Speaker 1: 0:25

Hello you guys, how are you?

Speaker 3: 0:27

Hey, James, I'm pretty good. How are you?

Speaker 2: 0:29

I'm doing awesome there Amazing. Thank you for having us.

Speaker 1: 0:32

We have Laura Flam and Blair Schellenberg from Motorola Avigilon, so we met at your Christmas party that was fun, that was really fun. I kind of like made my way around just via osmosis from one person to the next. I kind of got stuck on you. We started talking about technology and, yeah, you are a iceberg of information, and I only got what was above the surface at the Christmas party. So you gave me a little glimpse under the water, but there's a depth of stuff there.

Speaker 1: 1:06

And also, blair, known use since we were very young, very young, yeah, so this is how this whole relationship kind of got going. So thanks for the intro and thanks for inviting me to the Christmas party. Otherwise we wouldn't be sitting here.

Speaker 2: 1:19

And thanks for having us here today. We're really excited about talking to you more.

Speaker 1: 1:22

Okay cool. So just maybe let's just a little quick intro. So Laura, your position and the area that you oversee, and then Blair after that, just provide.

Speaker 3: 1:37

Sure thing. So I lead our product technology partnerships with external vendors, so that basically means anybody who's coming in to integrate their application with either a video management software or access control software. I'm handling all of the process behind that partner relationships and also helping with concepting out what that integration should be and then also really kind of working with Blair and with folks from our sales team to go okay, what does the field need when it comes to integrating your video and their access control applications with other applications in their tech stack? Because, at the end of the day, every customer has unique needs. Every customer has, you know why, tech stack. That goes well beyond, unfortunately, anything Motorola can cover is end to end, as we are, and so we've got to make sure that our technologies can talk to those technologies and create efficiencies and workflows that make sense for those customers.

Speaker 1: 2:45

Cool.

Speaker 2: 2:46

Okay, and then Blair. Well, I'm the Alta cloud video specialist for Motorola solutions and basically I'm two tiered. I work with partners with respect to our cloud based video surveillance solution, which is a simple, smart, secure and open product, which is something that I'm very excited about, and I'm also on the business development side, working not only with integrators, but also within users, on a daily basis.

Speaker 1: 3:09

Very good. You come with a lot of energy. You always have, I try, yes, very good.

Speaker 2: 3:13

Thanks, James.

Speaker 1: 3:15

Okay, so let's let's break this down for a while. We talked a lot of, you know, big words, integrations, tech stacks, all this kind of stuff that you know to us is just common knowledge. But to most people let's just talk about like hardware, for instance, and how it sort of dovetails with wireless, how it dovetails with, like you know, you also have some power solutions, as well as solar. So you know you don't have to bring power to, you know, to supply those different technologies. Maybe just take us through sort of what the sort of vision is of the product you guys are trying to do and what you're trying to do for construction.

Speaker 3: 3:45

So, you know, I think about just sort of a really good kind of everyday use, right where you know you've got a need for this type of thing.

Speaker 3: 3:57

You know we have partners who do things like perimeter intrusion detection and you can use video to monitor your perimeter, monitor potential intrusion events. But if you are, let's say, a critical infrastructure type site with really high security needs, you're probably going to have something that it goes above and beyond that, so something that's radar-based, sensor-based, that has the ability to detect potential intrusion events well before a human or even a camera probably could. And so you know, what you absolutely want to avoid in those scenarios is having your security operations center person getting an alarm in their perimeter intrusion application and then having to swivel, chair over and look at their video management application and find the closest camera and then use their pan tilt zoom controls to zoom in on that area and then hit the record button. You don't do not want that, because at that point that perimeter breach has happened, whatever it is, you know, bear Fox you know person Drug addict.

Speaker 3: 5:19

They're in and they're causing trouble, right? So what we do is we work with those complimentary technologies. Give them our APIs, make sure that they can actually communicate through our interfaces with the video management software. So, as soon as that perimeter detection alarm is coming in, that's happening in the video management system. And the human? There's no human in the equation, because your video management software is configured to have the closest camera to that spot, zoom in and start recording immediately, with no human intervention.

Speaker 1: 6:01

OK, so I mean we have, we've got like another, don't have to name the name. There's another one behind us here that's got their cameras up there, and so you know, in terms of the differentiator of what you guys are doing, is it mostly to they seem like they're a close end solution and you guys are providing sort of an open end solution, as that, basically, you're providing all the hardware, the APIs, and then they do all the rest Is that you know I wouldn't.

Speaker 3: 6:31

I think there's there's two aspects to it, right, because you know Motorola is has really a great portfolio of end to end technologies that are all integrated with each other at this point that somebody can go ahead and use on a site. You know, for instance and Blair, you can, you can speak to this really well, I think you know we've got an option for somebody to integrate their video or their access control applications all the way through to their radios.

Speaker 2: 7:04

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 7:04

Yeah, ok, let's talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 2: 7:06

Well, you know, one of one of the one of the interesting things I came on with the VSNA side about four or five months ago.

Speaker 2: 7:12

You know, having come from the LMR or land mobile radio side of things, and what Motorola has been pitching for a number of years after the purchase of a Vigilon, is that end to end connectivity Detect, identify, communicate and respond so that when you detect, whether that's via analytics or access control or whatever that may be, you can address that situation right away, instead of having that situation happen and then having to roll back through tons of video which can take a whole bunch of time. It's done very quickly for you and it's very effective when you tie in all these different systems, whether it's your access control, it can be sensors, those can be sensors on site indoors, you know, could be cigarette smoke, could be vape, could be road sensors, temperature sensors, etc. It's all put together to make different groups as safe as possible, whether it's healthcare or education or construction. Motorolas really put that end to end solution which, in my opinion, you know, isn't rivaled by anybody, I see OK.

Speaker 1: 8:14

So is there? It seems that there is a opportunity to have a I guess you could call it a sub brand or some kind of package, because it seems like there's, as you said, like there isn't probably another rival to the suite of technologies you guys have all in one. I think when you come to places like this, people need to see it in a booth with a name and that's that. So there's probably really an opportunity there for a kind of a company to do that all the time. And this is for construction. So you know, it's black and yellow and it's got its whole thing and this is your solution for construction, because I think that when it comes to this stuff, you have to figure out who is the customer. So, typically, who is it? Is it security companies who are coming in? Would they be using your technology? Would it be the general contractor that would contract you guys out to provide the security? So, or what kind of opportunity is it create for business development in terms of who would be charging the job site?

Speaker 2: 9:22

I think it's yes, yes and yes. There, you know, we talk to architects, we talk to engineers, we talk to developers, we talk to the security companies. We're working with all of them. You know I'm personally on the Alta where cloud video side, but we're talking to them about the whole suite of products. We have really three silos when it comes to security.

Speaker 2: 9:43

You have the PELCO side, which is for third party VMS or video management systems. You have the on-prem or unity product, which has been around. People know that you have servers on site, et cetera. And then you have the cloud-based product, which my job right now is to go out there and spread the word I mentioned earlier. I say cloud, cloud, cloud, cloud a lot. It's really about making people aware of the advantages, benefits and all that type of stuff. And it can be you know, definitely can be applied to the security side of things I'm working with. You know large developments, you know to put video cameras for. You know for buildings I'm doing perimeter security for certain construction projects, et cetera. You know it's really getting out there and making people aware of what's available and providing the best solution, of that end-to-end solution to each user.

Speaker 1: 10:30

Cool, okay. So Laura, we had some. Because you're very organized. I can tell you had sent over some notes here, so I'm just going to sort of just chat about this for a minute. So you're working with some AI stuff to track PPE. Yes, so let's just talk about that for a second. I'm pretty excited about that.

Speaker 3: 10:53

I know it's great, so it's interesting. We've got a few different things as far as AI goes. So we have actually a very large customer in the construction engineering side of things here in Canada who is applying their own AI, like writing their own AI models and applying that to their video data. So using our API to get video data, get everything they can right, and then taking their AI and using that to create a project monitoring dashboard.

Speaker 1: 11:32

I see.

Speaker 3: 11:34

Which is pretty cool. As far as the PPE goes, that's also something that people are using their video data for. So, for instance, we've got I know, in the Ulta camera line we've got a camera that actually recognizes color.

Speaker 1: 11:50

I see yeah.

Speaker 3: 11:51

So if you've got, let's say, somebody on site, first off, you can use our analytics to make sure they're actually wearing a helmet, right? So that's something that you can do with video data. You can apply AI to that.

Speaker 1: 12:06

Can't tell what all the stickers are on these days.

Speaker 3: 12:09

They look like bad hairdos. But in the case of you know, whatever partners, they're looking at actually taking the L6, you ought to get into this and talk about this L6 camera but they're taking that and using it to basically say is the contractor who's supposed to be wearing the blue hard hat?

Speaker 1: 12:31

I see yeah.

Speaker 3: 12:31

Wearing the blue hard hat and the folks who are supposed to be wearing the yellow ones, who are like the every you know everyday staff or whatever, Are they actually wearing the yellow ones? And how can we enforce that easily? And so you can use that to get alarms pumping into your VMS for somebody to be able to go out and be like, hey, you've got the wrong hat on.

Speaker 1: 12:54

Right, and so is this happening real time though.

Speaker 3: 12:57

Yep.

Speaker 1: 12:57

Okay, so this is like retroactive.

Speaker 3: 12:59

Oh no, this is real time alerts.

Speaker 1: 13:01

Wow, that's crazy. Okay, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 13:03

Sorry to jump in here, James, but these systems, or these solutions now, are set it and forget it type systems. You set up rules. Is your name Ron Popiel? No, it's not, but Remember that Set it and forget it. It is truly a set it and forget it type system and you create the rules. We work with the integrators to create the rules for the end users so that these issues or these security challenge don't happen. You know invariably something's going to happen that we don't know about and we can tweak the system moving forward, but no longer are you going to have people sitting there looking at the video screens. You know, all day long, it's all done for you on the back end through these solutions, whether it's on-prem or whether it's a cloud solution. Right?

Speaker 1: 13:43

so, for instance, just a use case, so would somebody be getting an alert to a mobile device saying someone does not have this appropriate PPE kind of thing, exactly? So that's going to be it. So that's what that company is doing. They're creating their own app, basically.

Speaker 3: 13:57

So they can use our mobile app.

Speaker 1: 13:58

Okay, so what's your mobile app then?

Speaker 3: 14:01

So Blair's pulling out the mobile app. I love it, right. I mean it's you know you're able to view live camera streams. You're able to get alerts. You're able to set the different camera views that you want to have on your app, so you can just go and scroll through them.

Speaker 1: 14:20

Blair's place.

Speaker 2: 14:21

You can actually that's my garage, it's all of the function or pretty much most of the functionality that you have in the actual application can be done via the app that's searching for individuals ie, I want to find someone with a red top or blue jeans or using the analytics. These can be things like line crossings, anomaly analytics the list goes on. There's sound analytics for tire screeching, loud screams, blasts, et cetera. So really the possibilities are endless in how you can address these security concerns.

Speaker 1: 14:55

It's interesting because when we came to set up this booth here, because there's a time you can move in and everyone's putting their displays together and a couple of booths down, their whole thing fell over and it was really loud and they're like, I mean it all smashed into bits. But there's an example of a sound that you would pick that up just to focus on where that is and that could be an alert. That's obviously I mean on a construction job. You hear loud bangs. Usually everyone's trying to avoid loud bangs, unless it's a, you know, pile driving or something like that, where it's have don't, don't, don't constantly right. That kind of stuff is different, but if you had, so I I'm trying to piece together like what that customer of yours is is doing. So they are create you you have, you're taking in all the information that's going real time. It's always being saved in the cloud, correct? So no on-prem.

Speaker 2: 15:56

Actually it's a little bit different than that. So we try to optimize bandwidth so we're not streaming up and down to the cloud all the time, because when you have a whole bunch of cameras streaming up and down to the cloud, can you do that end?

Speaker 1: 16:08

of the day, kind of thing. So we're talking and turn our memory first and then it's absolutely so.

Speaker 2: 16:14

you can schedule that in the middle of the night when there's no bandwidth issues.

Speaker 1: 16:17

So the? If so, where's? Where does the API layer analyze that? If it's not going up constantly, that means the software would have to be.

Speaker 2: 16:29

From the altar perspective. The analytics are on the cameras.

Speaker 1: 16:32

Oh, they're on the cameras. Yes so the customer you have who's building the AI solution to analyze the information for PPE. That needs to go. The API needs to be Open.

Speaker 3: 16:45

They are. They're actually using our on-prem.

Speaker 1: 16:49

Unity Got it OK.

Speaker 3: 16:50

Video management.

Speaker 1: 16:51

I see, ok so they're writing it for that on-prem server. They are OK, that makes more sense.

Speaker 3: 16:56

They are, and so I was wondering how they were going to get it if you're not uploading it? So our Unity video management system also has a cloud services.

Speaker 1: 17:07

Got it OK Side of it, just for storage Right.

Speaker 3: 17:10

And also with system management, so you can handle the licensing aspects through that, things like that.

Speaker 1: 17:16

That's pretty cool, yeah, so essentially, when you have, what are you doing with Remember we were talking at Christmas about that technology had like personal cameras, like the little ones, the little pelican Body worn cameras.

Speaker 3: 17:35

The body worn you guys getting into that. So that is another side of Motorola.

Speaker 1: 17:39

OK, let's talk about that.

Speaker 3: 17:40

Yeah, that is another side, another area within Motorola, Also really interesting business. Lots of interesting things going on there. I can't necessarily speak.

Speaker 1: 17:54

OK.

Speaker 3: 17:55

To that simply because I'm not in it, but Blair, I think, has got it.

Speaker 2: 17:59

We have a very extensive line of body cameras, both for public safety all the way down to retail as well. You know we see what's going on in the world these days, and we're utilizing cameras in many different ways.

Speaker 1: 18:10

So is that the way that police have their own camera that they put on that kind of thing?

Speaker 2: 18:13

Absolutely, and Motorola Solutions is the leader with respect to public safety. Radio systems, we have body cameras and we're tying in all the video these days with all the different software packages that we have. All part of that end-to-end solving for a safer ecosystem Cool.

Speaker 1: 18:31

So that to me sounds really interesting. Like there's a couple of things that I go OK, this is where things kind of get really. I mean, I've been on a lot of construction sites and I've seen all sorts of stuff and really what happens is you get stuck to the lowest common denominator of a sub trade who might not be participating, how they're a safe company, but they're doing their own thing, and there's lots of subs that come onto a site and the GCs can only control so much. But when you're talking about color tagging, for instance, that makes perfect sense. So like if you needed to know, like you'll see, there's PPE signs before you get onto a job site, you need to have steel toe boots, you need to have a metal plate underneath the boot, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You need to have hard hat, obviously, vizze vest. Those things obviously AI can detect.

Speaker 1: 19:26

But I think what starts to get even more interesting is when you start actually tagging with different sticker products so that AI can really pick up and categorize, basically. So everyone might have like a it's like a you know on their shoulder. For instance, maybe one of those you know how they used to have a plastic little sheet for, like, you know your name tag to go in or whatever that's there, but that has like a magenta block in it. So now you know what magenta people are all doing so that they, rather than having to try and identify. You know a hard hat that's got 100 stickers on it and you're like, is that a hard hat? Is that guy someone's hair? Like, you're gonna get problems there. So, and it's also seen, I can see how PPE will be integrated into those systems, like the boots, for instance, might have a little color swatch on it or an opportunity to put the thing in it, so that we start to have all of these. Obviously they're visual tags for AI to really pick up properly.

Speaker 3: 20:36

And I think you know it's interesting. I should find out if there's something like that, I think, being used in construction already, because we do see that in healthcare.

Speaker 1: 20:48

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 20:49

And specifically in healthcare. You know we see a lot of use of real time tracking systems, real time asset location systems. You know from everything from equipment to. You know, infants in the NICU right Could have an RFID tag Right Because you guys have sensors too, right?

Speaker 1: 21:11

Exactly, rfid is expensive though. It is A little piece of paper that's magenta is cheap and they don't get, and if they get lost, no one cares. Yep, or there's RFID tags. I mean yeah, yeah, because we've actually been dealing with that. We have one of our customers who is in the restoration industry and they have you know, they'll leave you know air blowers and dehumidifiers in properties all over the city and they have to track where they are. So there was a company called Nero, I believe, that was doing asset tracking. They might have been using some of your hardware actually.

Speaker 3: 21:44

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1: 21:45

But don't quote me on that, but they should If they're not. But that would basically, once that particular device left the truck it was basically what location did the truck not see it anymore, and then the truck drove away and then that would start the clock of how long that thing has been there. So there's some kind of interesting stuff going on, but it was just so expensive to have RFID tags on everything. Is the price of these all coming now?

Speaker 3: 22:16

That's a good question, I don't know. We definitely have partners who are in that area and doing very well. Yeah, I don't know RFID in particular. I think there is an alternative as well which really comes into play with our video management software, which is license plate recognition.

Speaker 1: 22:43

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3: 22:45

So we have another great example of big construction company over in Europe. They really needed a way to be able to let employees and contractors and things drive into the parking lot to park at this massive construction site, and they were just really struggling to figure out a way to permit people to come in, get access, leave when they needed to leave, just make sure that they were staying organized as far as parking goes. And so they went actually to their systems integrator and said hey, what can you do? How can we manage this better? The systems integrator, of course, was like, well, a visual on Scott license plate recognition built into their video management software. Let's see what we can do with that. And so they created, again using our API, an integration between the LPR data from the video management system and the access control system that was handling the gate.

Speaker 1: 23:53

Oh, that makes sense, that's cool.

Speaker 3: 23:56

And we have an access control system that obviously does that as well. This happened to be a different one, but they went ahead, did the integration, and so now you've got the ability to automatically update our license plate recognition watch list with the contractors and people that should be on site and let them in and out without having to manually do all that stuff.

Speaker 1: 24:17

Yeah, that's cool, I was also. I was chatting with a guy yesterday who was introduced to. We had a conference call, we were chatting site max, and he started a company where they were staging all of the trucks that were coming in, because a lot of the delays are actually traffic delays and disorganization of when trucks are coming up for deliveries four things to come into sight. Perfect example I don't know if you've been looking at the butterfly building here on Nelson and Barard. If you tried to go up Nelson, I mean it's, you know you go, you go um Thurlow and then take a left on Nelson down the hospitals on the right and the church is there To be able to get, to get that stuff going through.

Speaker 1: 25:01

Is there now, at the stage where everything is being loaded into that place? I mean there's one thing when the, when the, you know when they're doing the forming, you know you got concrete trucks coming by to deliver concrete, that's, that's kind of predictable. But when you're starting to get the other part, when you're doing all the cladding windows, all that stuff, and then you have every fridge, every stove, all of that's coming right and they want to get them all in. I mean it's flooring all of that stuff right? I mean, this is where it starts to all the staging of when those trucks are coming, so, and there's AI tools on how to optimize that based on traffic flows.

Speaker 3: 25:44

That's great.

Speaker 1: 25:45

Like red lights, all that it taps into ways and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3: 25:49

That's great. Well, I mean it's a natural it's a natural fit to take, like LPR data from your video management system and start to kind of build that into that model, right, because you know we have customers in the manufacturing industry too who are doing that. They're using the LPR data to basically, you know, track trucks leaving their facility and trucks you know trucks coming back in, right, so it's one other way to that. We've seen customers getting innovative with this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2: 26:17

How much time on site being able to access via access control based on license plate, the open path, or should I say all to access control. You can actually do touchless access. Yeah, you can access a. You know a gate to let you in remotely, just with your phone, even with the windows up. You know kudos to John Ferris for saying that every single time. But no, some really neat technology on the side.

Speaker 1: 26:42

Yeah, it's pretty cool. It would be. I think we should have another chat about what we could all do together because there's a sort of a package thing I'm seeing where you know I had a, we had a guy on yesterday, sean Gray, and he was telling me that uh night he says 99% and it's when I hear 99%, I think is it 98.4 or whatever, because nothing's really 99% on the nose. But he said that 99% air quotes Of the revenue and construction is not the big guys, all small business, absolutely under 50 people Revenue. That's crazy. So you think about that. So the opportunity, might we all think of it. Say, is it lead cores, as the PCL's, as the Ellis dawns? Think of all of the job sites that are out there that are just one building and they're not a hospital, they're not an airport and they're not. You know some, you know government institutional building. You know it's not some massive high-rise, it's like a condo unit six floors, still a job site, with a hole in the ground, underground parking still has a perimeter, lots of business there. So the question I always say is, is it people do want to spend on that and the lightest, easiest, most reliable hardware with the biggest name will win that, because it's all about when you're dealing with anything on-prem, any hardware.

Speaker 1: 28:05

It's like what if it goes down? There's that like software. We don't have to worry about that because you know I want any AWS. There's lots of redundancy. You got all that figured out. Software, software, software. That's why you see so much on bring your own device. Because it's just there's a redundancy. There's like, well, oh, your phone's broken here, I'll just log in as you, I'll be on my my file and now we have, we can just log in on and have that that person. So but I look at you know a package for that 99% and I go and then you're integrating how subs work into it as well and getting that ecosystem together. Things like huge opportunity there, absolutely yeah. So yeah, we should chat more.

Speaker 3: 28:46

Yeah, I think you know too. We see, we see use cases right with. You know partners of ours who will take camera infrastructure mobile. Great, so they'll put cameras on, let's say, a trailer of some kind that had solar panels on it. The power to that camera comes then through solar and they, you know, can can haul that or or transport it out to.

Speaker 3: 29:15

You know disparate areas within a very, very large site and and do things that way, and so you know. The other thing is to like Whatever, whatever they're putting up there, whatever camera it is, you can still get that data you know back to two more of a centralized VMS platform as well. So I mean, I think that's, you know, something to Consider.

Speaker 2: 29:40

I've got a number of customers out there who are actually using cradle point routers and they're using that for the Wi-Fi for the trailers and then connecting a couple of altacloud cameras to that.

Speaker 1: 29:50

Yeah, very effective, yeah that all was to me is is the if you start with internet, you guys partner with Rogers or your partner with you know whatever, just to get them onto the network, and then it's like bolt-on, bolt-on, bolt-on, bolt-on. How deep do you want to go with?

Speaker 1: 30:05

absolutely with the throughput these days you get with the carriers. That's. That's pretty cool. I think it's pretty exciting where things are all going. So, anyway, how does everyone get in touch with you? If anybody hears this? How do they reach out? And you know, chat construction solutions with you guys. So how do they find you Well.

Speaker 2: 30:22

You're welcome to email me, blair dot Schellenberg at motorola solutionscom. That's B L A I R Dot Schellenberg. Sh e L L E N B E R G at motorola solutionscom.

Speaker 3: 30:35

All right and on my side, email integrations at a vigil on calm, just really email integrations, that okay email integrations at a vigil on calm, and and we'll see where we can go with things.

Speaker 1: 30:51

Well, thank you very much, you guys, so we can have more conversations. Absolutely, I'm looking forward to it. That sounds great, okay, laura Blair.

Speaker 3: 30:58

Thank you very much, my friend pleasure.

Speaker 1: 31:01

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