SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey, what's up? What's going on? Welcome to English with Dane, a podcast designed to improve your English. As always, I'm your host Dane, and you can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Englishwith Dane. This episode is a casual conversation with my friend Andy. We try to talk at a natural pace while also trying to be extra clear, so I hope that gets through. We talk about the learning process, being okay with being bad at things, body positivity, social media, and a few extra things along the way. You can follow her at andy. I'll link both things in the description of the episode. I hope you enjoy our conversation. Do you know what I mean? Just straight up. Um and with the gym, there's this whole thing of people don't want to start because they're not comfortable with their body.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

And they don't even want to go.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Yeah. Because they're uncomfortable with their body. I'm intimidating walking into a gym. And that's a part of it. Like, I I don't know if I'm doing it right. I I I'm probably not lifting a lot compared to other people. Like it's hard. There's a lot of people around. You don't know the machines. If you don't have somebody to show you around, thank God you guys are there with me when I go. I I wouldn't go on my own. I mean, I mean, not at the beginning. But it happens in yoga as well. Like people show up to class and they're like, I'm not flexible. I'm like, that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

In the gym, it's like I'm not strong. It's like it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

You will maybe become that. But the the I think that one of the main differences maybe between gym culture and yoga culture is really deep down in yoga, you're supposed to, if you take it seriously, okay? Not if you think of it as like pilates, which you could.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Beef.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

But let's not.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Throwing it, throwing pilates under the bus.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Are completely different. Yoga has a very like spiritual side of it, but even if you don't believe in all of that, which is fine, hopefully, people who come into yoga, they get a good teacher who shows them that you're not supposed to look for an end result. You're here for the process, the the experience of this practice, and it's a practice. You put things into practice. You don't need to be flexible, you don't need to have a super quiet mind. You don't need to be strong. You don't need to be able to do all the poses. You need to experience that practice for what it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

It's that it's we I mean we go back to it, but it's that pressure of like thinking you need to be good at something quickly, yeah, and then feeling insecure when you're not about it. And and I feel like we're just talking about language learning too.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

People expect people expect to suddenly be, I want to have a C1 level or I'm I want to have this level, and they're just had they have that end goal in mind, which in a way is okay, right? It's okay to have goals, but it's but it's also but it's not okay to be comparing yourself in turn, like comparing yourself to that goal every day.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Is that gonna stop you from enjoying the beginner's experience?

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Exactly. Is that gonna stop you from embrace embrace not being really good at something?

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Like you need to be able to embrace being a beginner and also just enjoy the process of you learning. I feel like most of my students, because I was a yoga I a yoga, sorry. I was a I was an English teacher. We worked together. And I loved teaching beginners, but most of them were extremely frustrated. Yeah, and they were extremely upset with themselves. And it's really sad to me because I was like, hey, you know, first of all, it's not gonna be like this forever. Trust me, it's not. If you keep doing it, it can't be. It can't be, it's impossible. Yeah, if you keep coming and you keep putting in the effort, things are gonna change. Yeah, sure, slowly. But hey, you know, give yourself that time, that space. Even enjoy it, like, oh look, I didn't know this. Now I know this. You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

I I always tell tell students that before they embark, let's say, on their English learning journey or whatever cliche you want you want to use, um, one of the biggest things you can do as a favor to yourself is replace frustration with curiosity.

SPEAKER_03 4:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

So when you're thinking, oh, I uh it's because oh, this is so hard or this way is so complicated. Oh, why can't I do it? Instead, you think, uh, huh. I wonder why. This is expressed like this is expressed like this. That's that's interesting. Exactly. As opposed to thinking, well, another thing I have to learn or whatever. If you can replace that frustration with curiosity, then you'll over time train yourself to just be a better learner of whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

100%. I can't believe you said that because I say that at the beginning, at the beginning of every yoga class I teach. There you go. That's crazy. I'm always like, and we're gonna embrace this practice from a curious mindset rather than a an expectation. Because I think coming in coming at anything, but be it pole dance, be it yoga, be it um learning English, you have expectations. That's okay. But if you're able to release them and see yourself for what you are learning, that thing that you're learning, you give yourself the space to actually like embrace what you're good at, what you're bad at, and that's okay. You know, you don't have to immediately be good. It's like very results-driven mindset.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Yeah, right. This is not you're not like expanding a business.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

You know, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 5:54

This is just you don't have to be an English teacher.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Yeah, do do it for yourself, I think is is a good message overall. But and yeah, embrace being a beginner, allowing yourself to just be bad at something, right? Something we talked about before the show that is a an important message that we well that you wanted to get across in those conversations.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

I believe that 100%. I think you learn more about yourself when you're bad at something, when you're frustrated with yourself. You have to listen to how you talk to yourself about yourself, and that's really important, I think.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

I saw this thing the other day on TikTok that was like my favorite place, your favorite platform of all time. If you if you had a friend that talked to you, how you talk to you, oh my god, you would never tolerate that person would be my enemy. Yeah, but we talk to ourselves like that. I mean, I'm we're all guilty of it, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Of course.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

You know, you have an off day at the gym, at work, at yoga, whatever, and you're without bodies, and you leave and you go, Oh, I'm a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

I suck at the and it's just like, why would you you know something that was really hard as well coming into pole dance, just going back to how you talk to yourself? Um, you know, in pole dance, we are wearing shorts and just sports uh bras and things like that. And the girls who show up, you know, they look different than me. And they're also younger and they can do things much better than I can. And it's also like putting yourself in situations when you're like, hey, I'm gonna be vulnerable here and I'm gonna show up with how my body looks and my age, and uh because I'm 32. Am I? I'm almost 32, and uh, you know, these these girls are 17, right? And they're like really skinny and short, and they just look really different to me. And you know, that's that for me is being vulnerable, and that can be for other people coming out into a an English class, then being, I don't know, older and showing up with younger people and sucking. And that's okay, you know? Embrace being vulnerable as well.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

100%. Um that's that's I think that's the key. A lot of times, and I'm guilty of this, man. When I when I when when me and and and Nati went to Brazil, I feel like my Portuguese is okay enough to communicate. But when I was there, I was like, oh man, I feel like such a hypocrite. I'm not doing the thing that I preach on my podcast because I was afraid of being vulnerable and someone thinking, oh, he messed up, oh, he made mistakes, oh he made it. And also I didn't have to use it much because Nati was there, and then we're interacting with her friends, they speak English, it's all good. So I didn't actively seek situations in which I had to be vulnerable.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

But that vulnerability is is key. Yesterday, we were recording this on the 10th of March. Yesterday, I went to this award show, right, with my with the other podcast that I had. And it's such um a space in which I'm not comfortable.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Right. Where it's like all eyes on you, you're getting your picture taken, you're walking the red carpet. And this whole time I've I'm I've had this like imposter syndrome thing of like, what am I doing here? Interesting. What is it? And then yesterday was really the first time where where I had like a lot of um internal dialogue before going. I remember I was in the shower getting ready for the event, and I was saying to myself, Who do you think you are? No, no, I was saying to myself the opposite. I was like, I was saying just over and over, I was like, you deserve to be there.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

You're there because you're you got nominated for something that you've worked hard on.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

You deserved that.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

So I'm like, I was like, I fit it, I'm I'm there because I I'm I deserve to be there. And I just kept repeating it over and over. And then once I was actually there, I was like, hey, okay. Yeah, let's do it. And then I was I was analyzing it because I very much feel like an outsider in that world. Yeah. So I was I I had the perspective or the vantage point of an outsider while at the same time trying to maintain that sort of idea that I'm I deserve to be here because I've worked hard for it. You know?

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Imposter syndrome is like a real, real thing. And I find it funny that you would think that about what you do with your podcast. Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

And what's what really helps is is like we get a lot of messages that are like really positive. Yeah. And they're not like, and the messages aren't like, oh my god, you guys are incredible. The messages are, hey, I'm having a really bad time right now. And you're my life through it. And it's nice to just disconnect for 45 minutes and just laugh and just so keep keep doing it.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

That's the only reason why I'm still on social media. While I'm still using my Instagram page as a platform to, you know, talk about things that I think matter, because I end up connecting with women who have had similar experiences to me. I think most women actually have had a difficult time with their bodies um in general, and that has, you know, translated into their diet and food habits. And um the messages of women being like, thank you for talking about this, or thank you for bringing this up, or thank you for, you know, making a video about this thing that I'm really I feel really shitty about or that I don't like about myself, about my body. I find it crazy how many people actually have gone through similar things and why no one's talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Let's get into like the social media thing. Um I feel it's interesting that that now social okay. I feel that social media is partly or in in in a we say social media like Instagram, TikTok, whatever, but really it's it go obviously goes back to the beginnings of like the modeling and the makeup and making like women have been made to feel insecure about their appearance, right, since there was media, from what I understand. Right? Like you need to fit these molds, and if you don't, you need to work to fit these molds, right? Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Um and if you want cellulite, then go kill yourself.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Yeah, what are you doing? You better fix it right now, because if not, you're not deserving of love.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

And how dare you?

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Yeah. And it's it's it's weird that now social media, well, obviously there's like ringones, right? There's like little gaps, there's places for everything. But now social media is depending on your algorithm, is also very conscious. It's like it's the culprit, and it's also trying to be like the medicine.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

It's trying to be the fix.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Yeah, the fix.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

So, how do you how do you navigate that space? Because your your social media page is is very much about body positivity, right? About a healthy relationship with food. So, how how do you navigate because you're also a big-time consumer of social media. I am. So, how do you navigate being both in the rabbit hole and also trying to use the rabbit hole to get out of the rabbit hole?

SPEAKER_02 12:28

No, the good thing is my algorithm really knows me, and I find inspiration from the things that come up on my social media page. I see women being brave, being vulnerable, showing up as themselves, unapologetic, and it's inspiring. And it's thanks to these women that I started doing the same. Because honestly, I get a lot of like international pages, not so much Spanish pages. So I was like, where are these people in Spain for Spanish people? You know, because sure I'm getting them because maybe I speak English and I get the algorithm knows that. But I I was like, no, I have I want to give back the same way, like what they gave me, the inspiration, the confidence. Like when they see me show up with my belly, with my cellulite, with my body just as it is. More women connect with me and they're like, Thank you for not, I don't know, editing, for not cutting that out, for you know, even telling me to love that part of myself or at least accept it. Let's start with just accepting it. So it's true that social media has you know done a lot of damage, but now I think, especially in the new generations, uh Photoshop and editing your images to you know erase the parts that we don't like about ourselves, that's not gonna, that's not gonna go any further. That's not gonna float anyone's boat.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

I have I have more questions. These are these are obviously from probably from ignorance about the matter. Um, but it's also something.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

No, because men get it their way. No, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

But I'm not talking about that. Um I mean at what point and again, maybe this is like a pitfall of this type of thinking, but again, I just want to emphasize that I'm ignorant about this, so I I'm sorry if this is not like an appropriate way to approach it.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Immediately offended.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Uh immediately no. Um body positivity. Like we had it we had a talk one time, and I'm not I'm not trying to throw you under the bus.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Oh god, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

No, no, no, no, no, dude. So I remember one time you expressed frustration that conventionally attractive and conventionally good looking bodies and people were preaching body positivity, and you felt a little bit like like it kind of wasn't theirs their place to do that. Yeah. Was it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

Because so there's this thing where like body positivity should be accepting all bodies, right? Not just, let's say, fat bodies. Yeah. Fat needs to stop being a bad word.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Yeah, yeah. Right. 100%. Yeah. Skinny good, fat bad.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Exactly. So, really, no matter what body shape size you have, you should be able to preach body positivity because you're you know, uh people can hate their bodies no matter what it looks like, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:37

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yeah, body dysmorphia is very real, very real, no matter what size or shape you want.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

And oftentimes, this is something that's so crazy. I was watching um this vlog. There's a uh a fitness guy. Well, he's like Mr. Olympia, he's like the the the winner of competition, Chris Bumstead, right? He's like a a cultural icon in the in the gym in the gym world. Okay, because he's like he's like a four-time Mr. Olympia, which is what Arnold Schwarzenegger was.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

He's like nowadays Arnold, right? Okay, um, but he's like such a sweet guy. And and there was a video where where he was working out in the gym. Obviously, a ridiculous physique, not something that I aspire to look like at all. I think it's way too much, personally. Like if you if you're a bodybuilder type, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

Bodybuilding is a special.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Personally, I'm not I'm not about that physique, uh-huh, but it's an incredible thing to watch. And I watch a lot of his content to get good workouts because he's obviously really good at working out. And and he was wearing like this big hoodie one time at the gym, and he doesn't take it off in the whole workout. And he goes, Yeah, this is the hoodie that I wear when I'm feeling skinny. And he just doesn't want to take off the hoodie because that day he's feeling skinny. He doesn't feel good about himself, even though he's the most injacked guy that you'll find. So you're like, wow, body dysmorphia is just even more real at those levels, right? When you're so under the microscope.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Eating disorders are prevalent. Prevalent?

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Oh, I thought I made up a word.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

No, no, no, you're good.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

Um, amongst models who, in theory, yeah. Have the best, the most attractive looking physique. Like that's just the way that yeah. I mean, yeah, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

There's shows that I can watch whilst eating. Whilst eating, but even like while just being on my phone doing something else and still get like 95% of it. Oh, I try to avoid that. Crap reality shows that I like to watch to disconnect for a sec. And then there's shows that I watch watch.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Like we like The Last of Us and these kind of shows where I'm just like, I'm just gonna watch this show.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Oh, The Last of Us.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

What a great show. No, if you're on your phone and you have the TV on, I feel that for me is a is when I'm not in a good place mentally. Because I need so much distraction or I need so much um uh what is it? I need so much dopamine. Dopamine.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

It is dopamine, but it's but it's I think I approach it as like there are some shows that like the show creators and the show itself knows that the it's bad. Like when you watch a reality TV show, the editing takes ages.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

It's really a a a 15-minute show turned into a 35-minute show. It's like fillers, they just put fillers. Exactly. So there you can be on your phone a little bit because you're you're trying to True.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

But like now, what's happened? This is really embarrassing to admit, but like um Be vulnerable.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Uh practice what you preach.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

I am on my phone and I'm also brushing my teeth.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Am I the only one?

SPEAKER_00 18:36

I mean, I I don't think I do that. Oh no, I've done that. For sure I've done that. I've definitely done that. That's really embarrassing. At some point I've done that.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Because I'm on my phone on TikTok. Don't think I'm on my phone, you know, doing something really good, like I don't know, business deals or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

So generic.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

The stock market. You're businessing. You're not businessing. I'm not businessing. I am on TikTok and brushing my teeth. Gosh, that's so embarrassing. I tried to, I'm working on it. Let's say I'm aware of it and I'm working on it.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Would you let me see how many hours you spent on TikTok on your phone?

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Oh my gosh. I didn't know you could do that.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

You can do that.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Oh, geez. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Should we compare?

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Okay, yeah. It might make me feel better about myself.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Okay, wait, let me get my phone. We can edit the silence out, don't worry. Okay, we're back. Um here we go. Screen time on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Oh, wait, is this the whole week? Or today?

SPEAKER_00 19:33

I think it's the we this week. So from March 5th to March 11th.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Yes, March 5th to March. Thank God. That was wow.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

What's yours? Well, mine's two hours.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

No, you're joking.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

It's two hours a week.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

I'm not joking. Two hours and 19 minutes in total.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Man.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

What why? What's yours? Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Oh, Jesus. I have a problem.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

What's yours?

SPEAKER_02 19:56

I'm on eight hours.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Eight hours a week on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

But I feel like that eight hours a week. What is that? Like an hour and a week. An hour a day.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

No, an hour and a bit a day.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

An hour and a bit a day.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

I mean, how long does it take you to brush your teeth?

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Okay, no. You two hours. What? What do you spend? A minute a fucking day?

SPEAKER_00 20:18

I'm I've cut down a lot.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

Wow. I'm trying to do that.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

See, this is my problem.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Maybe you get this. Um, because I work in social media partly. Um for me, Instagram is work. So I'm never looking at Instagram being like, oh, let's see, let's go on reels and just swipe, swipe, swipe.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

I don't believe it's called doom scrolling.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

I never do that on Instagram. I only open Instagram to do work.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

We're talking about TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

I know, I know. So hear me out, hear me out. Hear me out. So TikTok is my outlet. TikTok is where I enjoy being on social media. You understand? So for me, TikTok is my favorite app to sit on my couch and watch things, and also the algorithm knows me much better than Instagram. Because Instagram is my job. So TikTok is my pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Understand?

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Okay. I like how you framed it. I think my favorite app, my favorite thing to consume is YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

I knew that would be the case.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

Yeah, because I like um I I go into like little deep dives from time to time and I find YouTube channels. Also podcasts that are really cool. Oh yeah, I I do I do watch video podcasts on on YouTube. Like while I'm cooking, I'll I'll put on a uh a video podcast, even though I just do an audio podcast, maybe. Because then like then it's nice because sometimes um sometimes cooking could just be kind of boring and whatever. So it's like brushing your teeth. Like brushing your teeth. Just saying. But yeah, I think YouTube is great. And YouTube is is awesome because it's not as short form. I know there are YouTube shorts, but it's not as short form as TikTok. So for me, YouTube is I like to find like recently I found this channel. About this guy who creates habitats in like terrariums and stuff like that. And he'll go to a random body of water near his house and get a giant scoop of water, like a bucket of water, and then put it in in a like a little terrarium or aquarium type thing. And build life. And then he'll just like show you the life that develops from it. And he'll show you now, three weeks, uh two months, etc. And he'll show you how little creatures come out, and then he creates his own.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

And they're all different, I bet.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

Yeah, yeah. They're all different depending on on where he gets them. And then he creates his own environments and he'll go, okay, so let's introduce, introduce these little, these little animals. Okay, now we need an apex predator, and he'll get like a gecko and put it in there. And then he'll create these environments that like are self-sufficient.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

And I think and that kind of stuff I I find so so cool. And those are like my little deep dives. I get into deep dives like that once a week, once every two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

That's much nicer than the things that come up on my TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

But I think the the issue is that um TikTok is kind of that immediate reward culture, which is that same thing we're talking about before, where it where it be language learning or fitness or yoga meditation, we want it right now, we want it as fast as possible.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

It's results driven, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

And and you're not enjoying it. You're just kind of a slave to the the quick dopamine.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Maybe that reinforces some things in your brain about quickness, fastness, or just being yeah, just speed, the speed at which you need to do things or you need to live your life. And then the problem is everything else becomes slow compared to that rhythm.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Like I think we we've come to neglect like the slow burn, which is what you want out of uh out of but out of a relationship, out of a business, out of everything. Like I'm sure you get sucked into the thing of how many followers do I have? How many do I have now? Why didn't I get as many followers this last week as I did three weeks ago? And you could this month I've only grown this month. Exactly. But it's really it's it's the long run that counts.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

It is.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Right? So, and here's another one. I I teach I teach classes, right? English classes.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Do you?

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Um, I do. As do you.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

No, you have, but with my with old students that you didn't want to give up.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Um, and and I say the same thing to everyone. I I always say an hour of class a week is infinitely better than nothing.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Right? Of course, that's obvious, but you can't expect an hour a week. If you went to the gym for an hour a week, it's not good. How long do you think it would take you to get in decent in the shape that you want? Not in good shape, but the shape that you want so much longer, attainable shape.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

So much longer.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

You know?

SPEAKER_02 24:47

And that's so funny that you say that because I used to say that to my students as well. Great that you're doing this. And I think it's true. The mentality of, well, if I don't have an hour to do it, I won't even do five minutes. No, do five minutes. Fair enough, you don't have the hour, but also try to find time. But um one hour a week, one class a week isn't gonna make that much of a difference. And the reason also, and and I know this for a fact, the reason why in five months I can do certain things in pole dance that other girls can't do is because I go twice a week. And going twice a week is obviously double better than going once a week. It just it makes such a difference putting in a a little bit more time. Um why were we talking about this? What did you say before? Um, how long that's gonna take to get the results.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

I think for a lot of people, just taking the leap of starting a class is more more than anything, it's a mental hurdle. Yeah, it's and it's a mental like release, it's a it's a relief that they're saying, okay, I've started. Oh, right, I'm taking a step towards my goal. You're taking charge. Exactly. And I and I usually tell students, I'm like, hey, if like we have if we have an hour of class a week, great. And if you want to get another teacher for another, go. Yeah. Go get other teachers, go do a conversation class, go do whatever, join a course, join, do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

Watch television in English, put your computer in English, put your phone in English.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

You shouldn't have loyalty.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

There's also a lot of things that they can do outside of class that make a big difference. Reading articles, books in English, watching TV in English. Dude, watching TV in English is underrated. The problem in Spain that we have is that dubbing is so popular that watching the original version of movies has become like, ugh, I don't want to. It's a effort. It's like I have to read the subtitles. Yeah, yeah. I watch original version of movies that are in Polish if I have to, simply because I like the sound of things better. But especially if I was trying to learn Polish, are you kidding me? How can you want to learn a language and then not take advantage of all the platforms or all the resources that are are at your disposal, especially now that we have you know smartphones. Um it's just such a good idea in general to include it more in your life. And that's what I tell my students. But going back to very quickly the pace of things, I have a student, an English student. He is uh 14. He's been with me for a long time. And um it just goes to show how this generation views that kind of quick result dopamine hit. I'm like, what's your favorite movie? This was back in the day, and he's like, I don't like movies. I'm like, why don't you like movies? It's like they take too long. I'm like, what? That's crazy. What do you mean they take too long? Yeah, it's like an hour, an hour and a half. I'm like, so what it's like YouTube. I watch, you know, YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I watch YouTube for four hours, but I'm not gonna watch a movie. I think but that's classic, right? Like you go, oof, if a movie takes too long, because it's a commitment, but you'll watch four episodes of a show exactly for the same amount of time.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Exactly. Inclusive, actually longer.

unknown 28:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

Because like miniseries is like one hour per episode.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Yeah, like you'll watch two and a half hours of TV, of like series, but you won't watch an hour 45 of a movie.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Because it's too much of a commitment.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

Yeah, that's insane.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Is it depressing? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

I hope I don't get to that point.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Well, we just like here's the thing. Okay, here's another thought that I have. Okay, we'll finish it off because it's going long. Yeah, it's going to be but are we kind of being corrupted or are we just changing the way humans consume information and it's just like of an evolutionary thing that's bound to happen?

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Do you think this would have happened regardless due to technological advancements? Advancing.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

What do you mean, this this podcast?

SPEAKER_02 28:55

No. Like um that quick, fast media um, like TikTok, you know, like 30-second shots of information.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Um, I think the internet is what changed it. So I was reading this book called The Shallows, How the Internet Has Changed Our Minds, and it talks about how before you would have to like read this whole book to figure out something. You'd have to go to a library and read a bunch of books. And how nowadays, after the internet came about, we the word they use is we became skilled hunters instead. So I'm not gonna read a 400-page book about something when I could go somewhere where exactly it tells me the like the piece of information that I'm looking for in the book. That's right. But then it we become, but it's kind of like that thing we were talking about before. Like, are you gonna isolate one muscle at the gym? Or are you gonna go to you know I mean? Because there's also like there's a value of learning context, there's a value of learning everything else.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

It's true, because when you go for one thing, you actually get like a surrounding of information that isn't just that one thing that you were looking for, and you end up being more cultured. Uh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

It is a conversation for a different day.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

You know?

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

All right. Well, thanks for doing this.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

This is Yay, thank you for having me. This has been amazing. I'll let people know.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

We'll let people know where they can find you.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

I'm always on TikTok, no lies. Um, my page is Andy puntogenia. And I'm also on TikTok, of course.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

And you do it's like a combination of yoga, food, and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

If you want some nice recipes, if you want some self-love, body positivity, some yoga, uh, come find me.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

All right, cool. Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Later.