JB & Bear with Anna Serin and James Rogers are MINING OVER CANADA | AFTER MARKET EP 9

JB & Bear are joined by their seventh and eighth guests on AFTER MARKET - Anna Serin - Director, Listings Development at the Canadian Securities Exchange and James Rogers - CEO of Longford Exploration and Clarity Gold (CSE:CLAR). In this "After Hours" segment we discuss the upcoming "Mining Over Canada' experience and learn more about the inner workings of the mining exploration business in Canada:

0:35 - Introducing James Rogers and Anna Serin
3:10 - Introducing "Mining Over Canada"
5:59 - The role of a junior mining executive
9:45 - Mining - a family affair
12:39 - Attracting a younger audience into mining
15:00 - Selling a business that doesn’t make money
17:28 - Standing out from the junior exploration “herd”
19:53 - The art of storytelling in mining
23:05 - Crossing the generation gap in mining investment
26:25 - The Goat Story

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hey, it's James here welcoming you to this presentation of the hashtag finance podcast. This is just a reminder that if you like video, all of our CEO and expert interviews are featured on the hashtag finance playlist on CCTV, including the show that you were about to listen to remember that as CSC space TV on YouTube. And finally, this is just a friendly reminder that the views information or opinions expressed during the podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of the Canadian securities exchange and its employees. So happy listening, and now enjoy the show. All right, thanks again for joining us on Thursday night, I am James Black. I'm joined by my cohost Barrington Miller and we not, we don't have just one. We have two guests this week, and we're going to talk about the fabulous world of mining.

Speaker 2: 1:05

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Speaker 1: 1:05

Once again, we're back it's aftermarket. I believe this is episode eight, Barrington. Yes, we are on episode eight. Wow. Almost a 10. And we actually made it this many episodes without talking about one of the most important businesses for us at the Canadian securities exchange, the mining industry. And we have two people who are going to help guide us through and our listeners and viewers through what it is that Canadian mining is all about. So we have first Anna Saron. Anna is our colleague from Vancouver, British Columbia. Hello, and welcome to the show. Hello. Thank you for having me. I've only had to beg seven times to finally be invited in and that's right. And then someone who didn't know what aftermarket was until about five minutes ago, mr. James Rogers from Longford exploration. Hello James. Thanks for having me on the inaugural mining episode afterwards. And more importantly, James is also, um, CEO of one of our issuers clarity, gold clarity. Did I say Longford

Speaker 2: 2:09

Expiration is your, is your mining company, right?

Speaker 1: 2:12

Yes, that's correct. So yeah, switch hats, a Longford. Expiration's like our services company and we proudly have an issuer on the CSE clarity. Cool. There you go. I think of Neil. Did the Neil talk to you about just goes through a newly listed? We haven't done a new lead listed yet. I don't think it's common, but we're still pretty newly listed so we should know they did. They did, they did a hundred percent. Okay. It's all Lincoln above in case you actually just want to drop, jump, jump out of this right now and just watch James and don't care about the rest of us. It's okay. James Rogers, I almost called you James Black. It's that kind of weak, um, whatever. Um, okay,

Speaker 3: 3:00

So let's get on track. The, uh, the main reason we wanted to chat today, um, and has done a lot of work in the mining side of our business, uh, both to, you know, obviously attract business, but to educate people about mining and, uh, one of the major initiatives we have coming up, it's called mining over Canada. Uh, implicates all of us implicates you the viewer, because you're going to come along the journey with us. Um, maybe any, you can just describe what it is that mining over Canada is and what it strives to accomplish here. Um, as we roll it out over the next few weeks,

Speaker 4: 3:31

Well, I'll start off by saying where this idea came from. And the idea was born out of, um, our colleague Mark Francis, and in central Canada who had envisioned putting our CEO, Richard and himself in an RV and traveling across the country, hitting all of our mining issuers. So, um, unfortunately due to the pandemic, um, and global crisis, we're going to do this virtually. So, uh, mining over Canada is a play on something called flyover Canada. It was built in Vancouver around the Olympics, and it is a 40 IMAX experience where you literally fly over the country. So we want to provide that kind of cool visualization for, um, for people that are joining us on this ride and take a look at the mining camps that are active across the country. What is mining and Quebec versus mining in the Yukon versus mining in central Canada? So it's a six week initiative. Uh, we've broken the country into five regions. We could probably do a year long initiative to be honest, because there's just so much of this story to tell. Um, we've broken it down to five regions. We're doing a six week initiative. People can join us, they can visually see lots of what's going on across the country. We're going to bring in educators, historians, associations, geologists. Uh, we're going to have some fun with this and, and try and, uh, you know, retail, the mining story.

Speaker 3: 4:53

Do you know what I like about this is the timing. Um, we've, we've sort of had a knack for it and I'm knocking on wood. Uh, mining is hot right now. Mining is so hot. If you walked into Lander or Lander, it's just so hot. Right. And, um, I don't know your timing. Couldn't be more, um, more exactly. So we appreciate it. And we appreciate you sharing not only your wisdom and insights, but also a little bit of a little bit of family that's going to be coming along.

Speaker 4: 5:26

There is some family stories and you know, the other thing I just want to say is, you know, we've had kind of this amazing few years and a lot of that was to do with the cannabis space, but we are in existence because of the mining sector. And almost half of our issues, issuers are in the mining sector. Um, our first, our 50th, our hundredth company was mining. Um, so, so the CSE owes big, you know, big things to the mining sector.

Speaker 3: 5:51

Well like James Rogers, who he was obviously one of our peers, uh, and is deep in this industry. James, tell us a little bit about what you do as a mining executive and what exactly this market right now, uh, how you, how you can kind of convey it to, to, uh, other people just kind of tuning into mining for the first time. What does it mean to be in this market today as a mining executive?

Speaker 1: 6:18

Sure. So, I mean, I'm a millennial, I'm a young guy. I'm only 31 years old and I've been in the money industry about 13 years. So I've never seen a good mining market eight, eight months ago, uh, kind of at the beginning of pandemic global lockdown, I'm freaking out to the Bush to go and work in a cabin for three months until the world come to his senses. I was wishing and dreaming of a good, strong mining market and all of a sudden in Rives and it's here and we were at the brink of laying off all of our staff, everything was crumbling. Our clients were running out of money. They couldn't raise more to do their work. Uh, everything was kind of in disrepair. And then two months ago, things started picking up and this is yeah, the first real bull market that I've gotten to experience in from both the executive level, with clarity, gold, being able to execute and finance it's it's strategy, but then all sort of service company being able to do work for a number of other of your issues and other issues as well. So let's go back 11 years or 13 years. Um, yeah. How'd you get him? Why did you get him reluctantly at first actually, um, my dad was a geologist, so we grew up, uh, I grew up with a backpack on and picking up rock samples, uh, anywhere that he could drag me up the Hill. So I think the first samples I would have taken would have been like an eight year old kid in the QPS. Um, and I didn't want to do anything like, wow, at that time I wanted to be everything like my father. And then I became a rebellious teenager and didn't want to do anything like my father. So I did everything I could to knock it into mining until it eventually sucked me in. And, uh, yeah, I found myself on the end of the chain. So cutting, uh, geophysical survey lines on the coast of British Columbia and I've never looked back since, and that brought me through schooling all the way up to where we are now. So,

Speaker 3: 8:23

Hmm. I think I was working at dairy queen or a nightclub at that point in my life.

Speaker 1: 8:28

I had, I had rocks in my backpack, but just being an idiot, that was your friends, just weighing your backpack down. That was me trying to, you know, appear heavier for, uh, for the, for the, for the Scouts look into hockey. It's like you're 250 pounds when you were 11 years old, the youngest guy on every, huh. I had been for a long time. Um, it's funny how I started actually running projects and getting into it. It was 2000 and like eight, nine and in there. And I happened to have a good experience of running projects and geologists on the job. So we were on kind of left for another opportunity. And the whole board of directors of the company just looked at me and said, well, now it's your job to run it. So I'm at that time was like a young, like basically a 20 year old running a exploration program successfully with like the half of the building budget at the time, which wasn't huge, but it was quite a bit for responsibilities. So I, uh, luckily was able to hold onto most of my hair. Uh, despite the gallons of coffee I needed the coffee, doesn't give you hair loss. And, uh, you're not the, um, or James, isn't the only person here with a family connection to mining. Maybe. Can you just describe, um, what it is that you came from and how it actually is a perfect counterpoint to where, what James his history was?

Speaker 4: 9:57

Well, I think, I don't know if there's many people in the capital markets in Vancouver I'm not related to. So it's easier to say that, um, you know, I love it when I, when I go to meetings with Richard or our fearless leader and he goes, you know, Anna's from the streets and I'm like, Richard, you can't see it. He goes fender and how, and like Richard Not necessarily a selling feature. Um, so my, um, my family has been in mining for a long time, actually. Yeah. My great uncle berberine Olson, uh, was inducted into the mining hall of fame. I believe in 1991, he was, um, he, he found, uh, or discovered Brenda mines in British Columbia. So, so he did that for his whole life. My dad actually, um, got into commercial real estate. Um, and, uh, and at one point, you know, kind of the same as you James, he just couldn't help himself, but follow my great uncles path and ended up going, you know, into the mining sector, but more on the capital market side. And did that for, I think, 30, 40 glorious years. Maybe not always glorious some good 10 years, some not so good 10 years. Um, so yeah, so mining has been in my family. It's been in discussion at our dinner table. Um, my whole life. I love it. I'm a big fan of the money.

Speaker 1: 11:17

So you're both very passionate about it. Why, where does that passion come from? It's obviously there's some DNA, but is there w w what in today's environment, other than the fact you can maybe now look at it as lucrative sector. Is there any ethnic, you know, was it chopping wood? Is that what got you going James? Or was it something else? Think explorations kind of been that driver for me, um, growing up, looking for the shiny rocks and moving and spending summers in a tent, uh, you know, the end of map sheets and kind of going beyond what people could follow them for, you know, going for a hike. It's not on a trail, it's

Speaker 5: 11:54

Going to do an objective to try and understand something and bring some economic value to it. The driver to me is always exploration and discovery, and never really has been the most lucrative times because I don't know, I'll have known as people haven't had a lot of money to pay service companies for a long time. So I feel like the Zen minor it's like the process and the journey, not the destination walk the earth like Kane. I have a question for both of you. Uh, you know, I, I don't have a mining background, um, or anything like that. My connection to mining is pretty much the Canadian securities exchange. Uh, so my, the image that I have is, uh, is an older demographic, an older demographic that was involved in it. Um, a lot of gray hairs or a lot of no hairs now. Well, uh, both of you, both of you were actually represent, um, something different. Um, and that's age, how, how do you, how will you, how do you attract a younger audience into the sector, which typically is perceived as an older, um, an older sector. Can I answer first, James? Why don't you go first? Yeah.

Speaker 4: 13:23

James might actually have some real answers to this question. Um, I've, I've probably got a lot of hot air, but, uh, this, and I think, um, what people don't realize, and this is why we're doing this initiative and, and, and we're going to talk about stuff like how it relates is that if it's not grown, it's mined. And so we survive on this industry more than I think most people actually realize, like literally survive off of it other than our food. And, uh, it's fun. It's cool. It's, you know, um, I don't think that people realize the environmental standards and the safety standards that we have in Canada and a lot of other countries have implemented. So it's not quite, I think the image that people think it is. And, um, you know, I, in, when I started, I started working with my dad. I was a broker for 10 years. And then I started working with my dad. By the time I left the brokerage community, I was kind of, um, a little disenchanted by it. And, um, you know, kind of the big fund managers and bank managers and her fund companies. And I went to go work for my dad and this little exploration company. Um, and I said, Oh my God, this is amazing. I love this. I mean, you just, if you, if you have to spend money, you have to go get someone to write a check. And if you want to spend money, then you gotta, you gotta put a hole in the ground. And it was just so cool. And it was probably in the depths of the worst market that we've had in about 40 years. And dad just said, you know what? And if you love this now, just wait, just wait and get so much better. Like how, how could

Speaker 3: 14:52

It, I mean, yeah, that was going to be my question to everyone was how do you psychologically get up for a business that is by design, just bleeds money. Like until you find something you're not even selling that end product, you're not,

Speaker 1: 15:12

Cause you're not, you're not, you're not making a product really, right. You're finding something that's already been made and extracting it. It's the only real industry that's like that and lost resources, natural resources by definition, right. It's using an approach to get it and then pull it in as opposed to making a fundamentally sound business from the beginning.

Speaker 3: 15:35

Yeah. The word speculation hide and go seek. I love that a fundamentally sound business

Speaker 1: 15:45

From, from the expiration standpoint, I mean, you're, you are throwing money at expiration and basically you're counting on a geologist or some science, uh, to point the drill, to point everything towards discovery. And then you build your economic model based on what you find. You're not building a model of sales from the beginning, it's backwards from your traditional business,

Speaker 3: 16:08

But I'll say this about the industry and about speculative investment, which is completely necessary for, for you guys running your operations. Um, most people are not concerned about the technical aspects. They're looking at macro aspects and then probably looking at value of speculations through juniors, because they're going, you know, how many ways can you get exposure to gold? For instance, you know, you can buy physical asset, it's got storage issues. Um, you can buy futures and other options, but that's, um, it requires a bit of a learning curve. I, I think you're going to test that Barrington. You were a trader for many years. I hear the trading gold episodes, especially with trade or TV trader. You will know why, like above the yeah. And then, and then buying stocks. Right? So obviously the first, uh, sure. First stocks to get valued out and, um, in any market are the big ones, right? The blue chips. Cause they're in everyone's portfolio, that's what the end of the indices track. Um, it's hard to extract a lot of value out of that, especially if you're, um, you know, looking at a, you know, quick and easy returns. So they're incomes people like you, James, who are digging for these rocks, they're looking for these things. And I guess my question is how do you, how do you stand out from the herd? Cause there's a few hundred, uh, of use in Canada looking for these precious metals and, um, you know, tell us what the defining traits are. Cause we're going to talk about this and mining over Canada, but from your perspective, how do you break through the noise?

Speaker 1: 17:46

Yeah, I think taking a strategy is the most important part is an Explorer. So if you're just aimlessly running around, looking at projects, looking at everything, you kind of need to have that focus. So what we bring to speak for clarity, for example, what we bring is my, and my team's experience on actually finding and putting projects together, making things happen in terms of executing good science in the field, bringing back good data and then presenting it in a meaningful manner. Um, so having done that for systems for a decade, bringing all that experience in with a full service team behind it is where you can start to differentiate yourself. Deposits are getting harder to find, um, economic deposits or even even farther, harder to find things that might control that could be metallurgy. So we have to look at technological advances within our industry that may make something that used to not be economic and we've input some new technology and we've made it economic or we'd have to look harder and deeper under cover in areas where people haven't looked or haven't considered before. Hmm. And again, how do you, so you're, you're suggesting that, uh, conveying to the public, the retail investor that, you know, here's a cogent strategy fits within our budget. Um, we expect to have a better shot than maybe other people are finding something because we have a, you know, the technology, the experience, we see that a lot, the experience and then just the physical real estate you've staked out, or have rights to, uh, explore certain properties that may have, um, you know, proximity to existing historic mines or operating mines. I see that a lot. And um, yeah, cops could be important for sure, but I think fundamentally you have to have the right rocks. You have to have the right science hypothesis of, Hey, this area is good for copper because of a number of reasons. Right. Right. And what would you try to sell to people as a mining operator or sorry, mining exploration company.

Speaker 4: 19:59

Yeah. I was going to fit it. You know, I think the big driver in the capital markets, um, you know, first of all, people need to understand why the capital markets are so important to mining and that's because you don't walk into a bank and borrow$10 million to go and put a hole in the ground and potentially find nothing. So the capital markets really are the driving force for the mining sector because people are willing to take that risk. Um, and really it is a very risky game and it's not risky necessarily because of the markets it's risky because you might put 10 million in the ground and find nothing, right. I mean, it really is taking that risk and that risk is offset by people like James who, um, have this technical expertise and go look, you know, based on historical data, this is what we know about this area. This is why we think it's a bit of a better bet than somewhere else. But I think the main driving force, the end of the day, besides capital obviously, and people like James, um, you know, actually executing these programs is the storytellers, the, the driving force for everything as the storytellers. And I think, you know, in the eighties and the nineties, we had brokers out there and you couldn't just go online and see what a stock was trading at every second, you couldn't, you couldn't pull up a press release on, on, you know, your phone. So, so really the brokers were the storytellers and, you know, that's kind of the world that I grew up in and that's why we're doing mining over Canada's it's time to start telling the story, um, and getting people excited about it again. But, but back to your point, James, of how do you stand out from the crowd? It really is the storytellers. I mean, James Rogers probably tells his story, you know, 30 times a day. Right. So, you know, it's, and, and that's where I R became a big thing because people had to go out and tell the story. Um, and so I think that's a big part of mining is, is these amazing storytellers?

Speaker 6: 21:45

You used the word story I'm going to flip. I'm flipping the script. You said that capital markets is essential to mining. I agree with that, but I'm going to take it one step further and say that mining is essential to capital markets in Canada, without mining. You do not have a tech boom without mining. You do not have or.com without mining. You do not have a cannabis boom without mining. You don't have the mining resurgence again. So I think that's a, it's a two sided relationship and both are equally important. One of them is less understood and less appreciated than the other, what people neglect to remember a lot of the times, um, is that, yeah, you don't often hold dr. When you see the Ori, it's hard to tan tangibly, understand what that really means unless it's a really pretty polished piece of gold or whatever. Look, this, this whole show is only happening because of the resources that have come from the ground that the precious metals use for the, um, for the wiring, you know, the rare earth metals that are used for the batteries. I mean, these are the things that we rely upon to have our convenient lifestyle, despite all that's happened the last six months. Thank you, mining industry for keeping us alive. Okay. Well, I think that's a big part of, uh, the storytelling that, um, you were talking about is how do you communicate, uh, the importance of mining to both investors and now Varian Kennan touched on a generational gap, and then how do we actually communicate it to a generational gap in both people involved in the industry or looking at it as a speculative or an investment standpoint as well. And I think that's where something like mining over Canada is a really good approach to bring awareness to what mining industry means, how it works. Um, if I can speak quite topically from my experience in the last, well, locked down over, let's call it this last eight months worth of COVID that's affected our lives. Uh, all of my classmates from high school of which I've had many for the first time ever, people that are millennials that are my age, have staggered asking me questions about how do you invest? How do you, uh, get involved in the markets? And I'd say about 50% of my friend group, who previously was never interested in investing has actually started picking that up. Um, now mining seems to be the last thing that they're interested in. And one thing I've noticed is that people don't understand mining they're intimidated by it. Um, you know, retail investors that are coming in and they're looking at fundamentals of a company like, Hey, this is a great business. It's got good cashflow. It's making money. I'm going to invest in this because I think it's on sale because of COVID and they've made good returns. Now, how do you look at a mining company and how do you value it? That's a gap that people don't have knowledge on. So I've seen and reviewed a dozen claws companies that friends have sent me saying, well, what do you think about this? And of course I can't tell them the investment advice on it, but I can speak to the merits of a project or what I think about the management. And everybody's still so intimidated and scared about putting money in cash in, or they're they're, you know, they're, they're hung up on stories of having been sold snake oil before. So building this foundation of understanding of what that mining business is, it's going to be hugely beneficial to the capital markets.

Speaker 5: 25:19

I think you really, uh, you touched on something extremely important and that's the intimidation factor. And I think what Anna's doing with mining over Canada is helping bridge that gap. People can relate. They know they obviously know the country and they know their province and they know their region. And now, instead of it just being a thing over there, it's, it's a thing here. It's a thing locally. It's, it's a project two, three, four hours away. Sometimes it's even in your same, it might be in your same city and you don't even really know. Um, and I, and it's also the method at which we're choosing to communicate this story as well. Uh, alluding back to Anna's earlier storytelling, we're doing the same thing right now at the CLC. We're telling a story, we're telling our story and by ours, our issuers, because they make us, uh, make us look good and we try and make them look good as well. So hopefully we're knocking down that wall and becoming more accessible to both parties, the investors and the companies well said

Speaker 6: 26:29

Now, um, in our pre chat, we did discuss some irreverent ideas that we wanted to bring to the front. Cause this can't all be serious business.

Speaker 5: 26:38

The true aftermarket,

Speaker 6: 26:43

Right? So scared.

Speaker 3: 26:46

No, no, no, no. This is, we have real tough standards here. Um, you can't be in the mining business and not have a few stories to share. So, uh, I do know that, uh, there's been some goat talk in the, uh, prep chat. Can we just jump on that for a minute? Where did the day

Speaker 6: 27:05

It's a goat swell when Anne and I actually did point out when she mentioned the Scotia or goat story in the precheck. I have multiple good stories, but I think she was referencing wondering James, you gotta tell the goat story. He goes, which one have multiple coats stories. I'll try it. I'll try and cram it into like a short little, two minute, uh, uh, story if I can. So world's falling apart is COVID is coming into Vancouver. Vancouver is going on lockdown. Um, I jumped in the truck, work truck, big work truck, uh, and had North through, uh, moving a trailer, dropping it off in Smithers. And then I've got to go drive around to, um, 14 John 14 John, and pick up some goats for a friend who has a farm, uh, up in, up in the Yukon. And these are two minutes, thousands of kilometers, you know, the, the snow was this deep and there's no, uh, all the things are happening. So I pick up these goats, but the goats are too small to be able to ride in the back of the truck. So of course I have to jump in the cab of my truck.

Speaker 3: 28:20

They'll like bounce around like there's gravity.

Speaker 6: 28:25

Yeah. It didn't want to lose them. So, so it put them in a nice little cardboard box, put a bunch of hay down in the back seat of the truck and carried on driving up the Alaska highway. And we're heading to a small cabin. Uh, we've gone up in Southwest econ, but we got tired and we needed to stop. And normally I drive all night, but what'd you say? Me and my girlfriend girlfriend though, because your girlfriend is not Canadian. No, no, no, she's not. And this is like a full Canadian experience. So I've literally got a goat on the dash of the truck and other ones climbing on the headrest of her seat. And there's hay everywhere. There's goat, poop everywhere. It's just a mess. And she's like, but this is enough. We need to sleep. So we rolled into, um, Muncho Lake, there's a small little hotel and they have a pet policy. Um,

Speaker 3: 29:25

I, you know, establishments that offered nights

Speaker 6: 29:27

Minus it's beautiful lodge, absolutely beautiful place. I highly recommend it. It's minus 35 outside. And I'm thinking, I'm like, ah, I could keep the truck running and try and keep them warm. But honestly they have to come and stay. And how do we do this? So we have a little dog with as well. So I go into the front counter, hi, my name's James. I'd like to get a room for the night, two people, one pet. Um, or I think I just left it vague and some pets. And he said, okay, I need the pets name. So write down the dog's name and this and that. I'm like, is there a side door that I can get into the hotel with? And he's like, yeah, yeah. If you pull your truck around over here, you can move your things on my, I got a lot of things I have to move boxes and stuff like, okay, no, no problem. And so I get to get out to the truck, load up the goats into this little tiny cardboard box and bleeding. They all, all the way, they're just making all this noise. And I carry them right through the lobby of the hotel, into the bathroom where they proceeded to have a goat party in the hotel room all night long. They would not be quiet, but eventually the goats were delivered. We got them there. Uh, it was an interesting drive.

Speaker 3: 30:40

Did you get to keep on as like payment or some sort of like you bond with one more than the others

Speaker 6: 30:45

We did? Yeah. Yeah. They were one of them. Same as his Kovi after COVID. Um, and I'm trying to remember, gruff is the other one. Gruff was a cute little guy for it. He was a guy who really liked to eat paper and he ate like most of the stuff I was working on in my briefcase. He's a really nice guy. We bonded girlfriend from again, Columbia

Speaker 4: 31:08

From Columbia global pandemic occurs and he gets her in attract to drive North.

Speaker 6: 31:17

You should have seen where we stayed. So during this time I built a, a 14 by 14 log cabin and full Yukon mode minus forties, then we'll be holding everything across, uh, the, the Lake. Uh, we do a lot of exploration in this area. So kind of setting up a bit of a home base and a number of things. And, uh, yeah, the lack of having running water for a few months, it was certainly a challenge

Speaker 3: 31:43

So much more manly than I am.

Speaker 4: 31:48

Right.

Speaker 3: 31:48

I mean, I think part of that story, the only thing I could do is sign in to the hotel.

Speaker 6: 31:56

You got me

Speaker 3: 31:57

Every week. I got a better microphone than you, but that's it.

Speaker 6: 32:01

Yeah. You have a, you have a much nicer microphone. I think I sent you a picture of the, of the goat and the truck. Maybe, maybe I've learned how to do that yet.

Speaker 4: 32:12

I love straight to where we hear the other goat stories. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 32:18

And we're, we, aren't going to have to leave it for a part two. I think I'm going to say anyone has anything that can top that because, uh, I do respect that everyone has to go to bed. It's getting late here on aftermarket, hardworking people wake up early, wake up early here, but, um, yeah. Any final thoughts, Barrington or Ana before we, uh, we say good night, um, just on behalf of the aftermarket, we just want to say thank you, James. And thank you, Anna, for, um, for sharing your stories, all of them, because that's sort of what this show is about. And this is sort of what the exchange is about. Um, a little bit of fun, a little bit business, some goats. Yeah. Yeah. Keep bringing it, keep, keep going on those adventures and hopefully, you know, creating some shareholder value in the way and, and, uh, you know, surviving the pandemic. It's a bit of a bit of a list to get through this year. I, I admit it is all right. Well, keep safe. Uh, you as well. And I know you're, uh, doing your best, uh, in North van there. And, um, for everyone watching, if you liked this type of content, please hit that like button. Um, it means a lot to us. It means we can keep doing it. Uh, yes, thumbs up. If you want more content like this and you're not subscribed, now's the time there's a button right below as well. You can subscribe. Um, this was aftermarket. This was the after hour session with James and Anna and Barrington. Thanks again for being the best host of the show where I'm sorry, I'm still on goats dreams. I know you guys a video. If you want that go video, we'll link it below. Uh, and once again, thanks everyone for watching and we'll see you on the next one. Hey, it's James here reminding you that if you just enjoyed this episode of hashtag finance, there's a lot more, make sure you subscribe to this show available on Apple podcasts, Spotify, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google podcast shows coming out at least twice a week. So please do not miss out. Oh, so if you're on Instagram, please, don't forget to follow us at Canadian exchange. That's all one word Canadian exchange. We're hosting live daily content with great guests, discussing the capital markets, entrepreneurship, investing, and much more, and finally feel like video. Please subscribe to COC space TV, that CSC space TV on YouTube. You can find more great stuff, including exclusive series content like cannabis month, 2020, and our new series investing in psychedelics as always. Thank you for listening.