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Or and it's kind of"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":590.978,"endTime":594.576,"body":"the same idea with distractions"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":594.632,"endTime":597.892,"body":"as well. You know if your puppy"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":594.632,"endTime":597.892,"body":"struggling with dogs being"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":597.948,"endTime":601.208,"body":"around or on leash and people"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":597.948,"endTime":601.208,"body":"and getting excited A lot of"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":601.264,"endTime":604.58,"body":"that can be worked on through"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":601.264,"endTime":604.58,"body":"management, but also training"},{"speaker":"Michele","startTime":604.636,"endTime":606.66,"body":"and kind of building up those steps."},{"speaker":"Amy","startTime":606.66,"endTime":609.037,"body":"Well, thank you, Michelle,"},{"speaker":"Amy","startTime":606.66,"endTime":609.037,"body":"this has been super helpful. 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