The Day Gaming Died with Two And A Half Gamers UK

The future of gaming is starting to feel less like progress and more like a contract you can’t read. We’re joined by Two and a Half Gamers UK to talk through the current state of modern gaming, starting with the GTA 6 digital controversy and why preordering a digital game can feel like paying for hype instead of securing a copy. If downloads never run out, what are we really buying and why are companies pushing us to commit early?

From there, we get into the bigger fears behind the PS6 disc drive rumors and the gut punch of storefront shutdowns. When older stores close and licenses expire, “purchased” can turn into “unavailable” overnight, and that changes how collectors think about game ownership, game preservation, and backward compatibility. We also talk about remakes and remasters, and how easy it is for publishers to quietly remove original versions and steer everyone into rebuying the new one.

We round it out with the hard questions: why Game Pass and PS Plus style subscriptions don’t always work like Netflix, why the console upgrade jumps feel smaller while prices climb, and why retro gaming prices could spike if physical media keeps shrinking. Plus, we end on pure nostalgia with the one-item-you-save-from-a-fire debate and where you can find the guests’ streams and vlogs.

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Transcript

Welcome And Meet The Guests

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Hello and welcome to the unofficial controller podcast, your weekly gaming podcast, episode number three hundred and twenty six with me, George, and this week joined by RGT, special guests. It's two and a half gamers UK, gaming pros to our two fat old hoes. Um men, how the devil is it going? And take the time to introduce yourself to our viewers and listeners, listeners, viewers.

unknown 0:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Okay, you have a good one. Yep. Hello, we're two and a half gamers UK. I'm JC.

SPEAKER_07 0:52

I am Aaron. Um Shredder. I'm Harry. How's it going?

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Or H2, whatever you want to call me. Yeah, come in with your street names. We've got to bring the youth on board.

SPEAKER_07 1:01

Um it's it's wonderful to have you here, men.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

Um international streaming collectors, YouTubers, vloggers, and gamers, and may I say, all round sexy bastards, it's our absolute honor uh to have you here.

What We Are Playing Right Now

SPEAKER_06 1:20

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

And we're here to uh we've got you here as avid collectors and gamers as a point of discussion about the current state of gaming. Um it's in a bit of a bad way, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Um it is rough, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Before we dig into it, how are you all connecting with your most modern systems, PS5, Xbox Series X, or Switch 2? Is there any one of those that's sort of pushing themselves to the forefront in your minds right now?

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Um, I'd say at the minute, I've been playing my Series X a lot. I'm I'm playing three games at the moment, one one Series X, the other two are retro. Uh actually, no, no. The other what the other one's modern, the last one's retro, but I've been playing a lot of Forza Horizon 6. So that at the minute has been my go-to. And then on stream on PS5, Ghost of Tsushima, and then the retro, I've been playing GBA, like Game Boy Advance while I'm at work and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

What have you been playing on Game Boy Advance?

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Ah, now this is where it gets interacting. So I'm playing Pokemon, but I'm not playing a normal Pokemon game. I'm playing a ROM hack, so it's called Pokemon Silver Rivals. It lets you play Gen 2, but with Gen 3 graphics, and you play as the rival Silver rather than the main character.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Wow. How does that manifest itself?

SPEAKER_03 2:37

Okay, it all started because I saw it on a YouTube short, and then they had a link to where you could buy it on eBay, and it was the actual cartridge, and I went on that and it was only like 20 quid, and I was like, sweet, and then I bought it.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Fine, okay. Sign me up for that as well. Shredder.

unknown 2:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

Shredder, come to me. What have you been playing, good sir?

SPEAKER_06 2:56

Uh it's literally his name as JC, other than um the uh silver rom hack. Um Falls Horizon 6 literally got it yesterday. I actually got it yesterday, so I've been spent on the book. No on Steam. I'm not I'm on PC at the minute. I do have a PS5, but better to it literally scattered. I just I just don't use it.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Yeah, yeah, I think we're all in that boat. And uh H Driz. What have you been playing?

SPEAKER_07 3:21

You know what? Modern wise, I finally just finished uh my play first play for Resident Evil Recreum on PS5. I found it like a couple of weeks ago. Oh uh, and now I'm back on Series X again. Not for like I just preferred my Series X compared to PS5 and Switch, so I play more games on that in compared, but I have been trying to play more retro as well. Like been on my PSP a fair bit lately.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Hang on a minute, these boys are serenaders, don't they? What game have you been playing on the PSP then, H Driz? The answer might disperform you though, doesn't it? No, it won't.

SPEAKER_07 3:57

I've been playing Yu-Gi-Oh! Tag Falls.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:05

Like Yu-Gi-Oh! Tag Fulce. There's a lot of because you have to put time into it. I spent a lot of time playing it as well.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

So hey, listen, our doff my cat. If you're into that, you're into it. And what a better place to play it than the PSP.

SPEAKER_07 4:18

Yeah, yeah. The PSP. As I'm getting older, I'm finding I've only really got time to play my handhelds. Like the older I get, I just haven't got time to go in my games room, uh like sit there for three, four hours straight. So I'm just playing like whilst looking after the baby, not something like that, playing the handheld for half hour at a time. So that's just makes life a lot easier. So PSP, yeah, I've been busting that out, and then if I ever get time, Game Boy or stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Not as much as my Switch 2. Yeah, not as much. I'm not very much the same. I did turn my Switch 2 on yesterday, but literally only for half an hour because they brought that new Mario Kart update. Yeah, the new the two new rallies, and then I played them, and then as soon as I was done with them, I turned it back off.

SPEAKER_07 4:56

Yeah, no, sorry, I've just not been on it much, but other than that, yeah, nothing too exciting handed otherwise, then just Yu-Gi-Oh lately. That's it for me.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Uh fair

GTA 6 Digital Preorder Controversy

SPEAKER_00 5:06

enough, man. Well, let's let's rip into it because we're here to discuss the state of uh modern gaming, as we called it, and we've got some bullet points, but I think all this started with the GTA digital controversy. They announced they're gonna put it out digital, they threatened the disc and then walked back, and then that kind of disappeared into the ether. Boys, first question will you be getting this or is this physical an insult enough to you where you won't?

SPEAKER_07 5:29

This is a tough one.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

No, no, so I've got, yeah, because I I got asked this the other day on stream. I'm still gonna get it, but it's definitely put me off of pre-ordering because I don't see the point of pre-ordering digital, because it's not gonna run out. Exactly. I may I literally was going on and on about this because I went into a whole tangent about it. Because a lot of people are pre-ordering the game and then posting selfies of them in front of our tele, yeah, yeah, yeah, pre-ordering it, and that's all good, and like like that's fine, like enjoy pre-ordering it and it gives you something to look forward to. But I always felt that pre-ordering a game was for that rush of like I need to get my copy reserved. Because I remember like five, six years ago, if you didn't pre-order a game like one of the CODs or say, let's even say GTA 5, you could go into game and they could genuinely have just given the last copy out to some fella who just got in there and like managed to snag a copy. So that's where I feel like pre-ordering is let me down. Is that again, it's it's taken that thrill away, and I don't see, yeah, I just don't see the point of like being like, Oh, I need to pre-order this digital thing, it's not gonna run out of stock. It's you can get it literally anytime. The thing I said to a lot of people watching was I only see people pre-ordering it if they know they're gonna stay up till midnight to play it. Like they're gonna be waiting, and as soon as it turns midnight and the little padlock unlocks, they're gonna click play and start playing it.

SPEAKER_06 6:45

Yeah, yeah. Is that where you're at, Shredder? Yeah, honestly, 100% agree with JC like literally everything was on the on the nose. I was gonna say nod there. I don't know, I suppose nod. It's on the knob.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Okay, clip that, YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Yeah, we need that. Okay, well, with that said, so it sounds to me like there's a little bit of a mixed reticue there. I agree with you, me and RGT had exactly the same conversation. Do they think that do they think that we think that the digital copies are gonna run out? Because that's a bit insulting to me. So obviously, off the back of that, probably Sony felt brave enough to say that they were gonna discontinue the disc drive on the PS6.

PS6 Without Discs And Store Shutdowns

SPEAKER_00 7:28

It feels a little bit early for them to announce that, but I guess they want to get the bad water out of the way early. But wrapped in that, I feel as we talked off air, there was a little bit of a gut punch because in the small print they also announced that, oh, and by the way, it's been long enough now, we're gonna shutter the PS3 and Vita stores. You shouldn't think that's a problem. But when they announced they're going all digital, is that where the PS6 store's gonna be in 20 years when I go to play my latest game and it's just gone? Like, what's the story there, boys?

SPEAKER_07 7:57

Oh shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:57

I do think that's the scary reality of digital as a whole, is that it just makes you feel like you don't own anything. You don't enforce my phone. Like, I mean, I can I've got a really good example of this, but Scott Pilgrim vs the world, when that first came out on PS3, Ubisoft lost the license and didn't renew it until they made the remaster. And I've still got my original game on my PS3, but I still remember when they first lost the license being terrified that if my PS3 corrupts, that's it, it's gone. Yeah, and as well, in this day and age where they're remastering and remaking stuff. Say if you really want to dedicate to the original version of a game and then they say no, you've got to get the remaster, they can literally stop you from playing your original and force you to buy the remaster. So, yeah, genuinely, we don't own anything.

SPEAKER_07 8:40

It's it's just giving one name, it's a long-term renting. Yeah, it's a long-term rent.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

Yeah, I mean, it's bad timing as well when you think Sony have pulled all these movies lately off their streaming service there, where people have bought the movies, lost the rights to them, and then they announced they're going all digital on the gaming side. You suddenly think, hang on, you've not sent a good message with pulling all these movies that people have bought and paid for. You're now gonna say you're doing that on the gaming side. It's not a great picture they're painting here, not at all.

SPEAKER_07 9:09

The only benefit we can say is everyone moves to Xbox, and then we're all happy when there's more people online I can actually find games when I play. Keep that full for later in the show. Yeah, yeah, that might not be a thing really as well, ain't it?

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah, well, you know, Helix also used the opportunity Trojan Horse style to announce they've sacked off their disk drive as well. I mean, I get it, you know, they probably see tighter margins, they want to cut out the printing of the silicon cases, they want to stop bother printing the health and safety. They stopped with manuals years ago, so then they ended up putting health and safety warning in there, and now they don't even bother with that, and now they're gonna get rid of that. They haven't got to pay a truck driver. I kind of get it, but I want to feel like I own the device or the game, and then something happens or business-wise, it makes sense. It absolutely h drives, it makes sense. I absolutely agree.

SPEAKER_07 10:03

And that's why business-wise, I can they're gonna save a lot, and at the end of the day, everyone at games, you're not gonna you might say I'm not gonna get it for a couple of months, but eventually we're gonna give in and still buy it no matter what. The only thing is gonna affect is the little games, like yeah, like the example, I'm not gonna be able to resist not getting it. It's too good of a game, probably not to get. A game where I'm like, Oh, I might get it when it's on sale cheaper physical copy, I won't care on digital. Like, and that's the way I would just end up getting the bigger titles, and that's the problem with it. Because like I do want to collect older games by that point.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

I also think it's again with Sony, it's mixed messages because they said um a percentage of games sold now are digital, the majority of them are all digital. The problem is if you look at the stats in the USA, 82% of PS5s bought have a disk drive. So although they're selling eighty two percent, that's just in the US. So, what it is worldwide, I don't know. But the stat for the US is 82% of PS5s sold have a disk drive on. So, yes, they might be banned digital, but you've sold so many. If you go to the PS6, that's that's your backwards compatibility gone.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Yeah, that's a concern for me. There's plenty of like physical collectors, as we all are, that have a PS5 or whatever with a disk drive. Like, yeah, backwards compatibility compatibility will probably carry on on the PS6, but how am I gonna play that game I've got on PS4 that I've got the disc for that I kind of don't see the point of buying fit digital because I already own it? So now what you're saying is I've got to bin that and I've got to go on buy another digital game. It's probably 40 quid. Second hand in CEX this thing's £1.50. What's going on, boys?

SPEAKER_06 11:45

Or you've got to pay them an extra 15 quid a month to join the subscription to play little games.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

That really is all it is, it's literally just corporate greed. Instead, it's forcing you to buy something you already own again, and even then, do you own it when you have it digital and they can literally just switch off the key whenever they want? Or for some reason, I don't know, your profile gets flagged because we know that some people sometimes just get banned around. They ban your account, now you've got to start a new account, you've lost all them games, you've got to buy them again. It's just not thinking about the consumer whatsoever, it's just thinking about the bottom line and how much cash they can get in their pocket. And again, it's just going back to that thought of remasters, like take The Last of Us. When they brought out The Last of Us Part One, the remake of the first one. A lot of people were like, I'm not gonna buy this because I've already got remastered on PS4, I can play the PS4 copy on my PS5. Now there's nothing stopping Sony from saying, No, you will play the remake, yeah. You have no choice. We're gonna completely stop the the first one and make you do that one, or even Sega's notorious for this because they've done it with Sonic Origins. They brought the Sonic Origins collection and then on Steam and on digital completely just axed all the original versions of the old game. So you have to buy Origins collection to play one, so PC, the yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yeah, and we had a similar thing just recently with the um Kingdom Hearts on the Switch, where the um yeah, the the it was at the treble set, I think, and that was cloud service. So people who bought that they've now obviously done the Switch 2 version. That's gone now. If you bought that first time around, that's gone, that's cloud.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

So in their defense, I think there was a small discount.

SPEAKER_05 13:20

A very small discount we're talking as that discount's free. Yeah, you've still got to buy the game twice.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

I don't want to completely send them to the dogs without at least representing them slightly fairly, but I was most aggrieved by that because I've always been a Kingdom Hearts fan. I was often looking at that clown version thinking, do I, don't I? Ultimately, I decided it'd be ridiculous. But if I had bought it and then they announced this fully loaded, full edition, I'd be expecting it to come to me for free, actually. I I I just get a little discount and I should be happy with it.

SPEAKER_07 13:53

But that's what I'd be fuming. Yeah, that'd be and then you wouldn't outspike won't want to get any anything else, like it would annoy me too much.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

I can feel maybe that gaming is kind of heading in that direction a little bit, but quite how we continue our hobby as gamers. If we stick our heels in, then it's gonna take all of us to stick our heels in. Because if one person breaks, we're done, right? Because then they'll all follow.

SPEAKER_07 14:16

So when you let's be honest, we all will add like gaming stuff onto social medias and and follow other collectors that you know have bigger or smaller collections and all sorts, but yeah, as soon as one person goes, gets it, starts posting pictures, and everyone else is gonna want to follow suit.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

So it's just gonna be yeah, it's really tough because at the end of the day, it's um you've got to speak with your wallet, and it's it is that that case of we can all sit here and moan, but yeah, as soon as people start buying, they're not gonna care, they're just gonna see the sales figures.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

So if you are sitting there going, I hate that everything's digital, but then you've just bought a digital game, you're part of your own. And like you said, it's gonna be hard to resist when a good game, like again, PCA 6 does come out, yeah, and then you are seeing everyone have fun, and then you're like, Oh, okay, I'll still get sooner or later your favorite franchise will release a game, and then you're like, You can't like follow the series the whole time if you want to continue on, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 15:10

So it's just gonna be impossible to if it's the only choice you've got, you're gonna have to give in eventually. Yeah, so that's just makes it impossible.

Are Collectors Becoming Dinosaurs

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Yeah, we were talking recently on our other show, Flashback. Um, sort of probably generation seven, PS3, Xbox 360 was sort of one of the last generations where to sell a game you had to be creative, you had to make something different, you had to make it well, you had to draw in new gamers. Now it's about budgets, what sells? If you've got an FPS online, will it sell 10 million copies? Yes, just make a generic FPS online. So the creativity side's been pushed out, and the money men are coming, and you're really starting to see it now, and it's it is a shame. I know I saying the dinosaur, but it is a shame, you know.

SPEAKER_07 15:51

No, it is because I think you've probably from what the 360 generation starting.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

We cover some of them on our series, like where we we try out bad games, but it is crazy that era is so experimental, like that was when you've got games like 50 Cent Blood on the Sand and Right Hell Retribution, but you never see them games get made nowadays, can't you?

SPEAKER_01 16:11

No, and you look at my collection, I've got a massive PS2 collection, slightly smaller PS3, slightly smaller PS4, and an even smaller PS5. And you could just look at it in the shelves, physically look and see how it's declined, on my perspective, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

It looks either at its own extrints each one.

SPEAKER_07 16:30

Yeah, I think even PS my PS1's by far my biggest for PlayStation. Yeah, it's like PS2, and then it starts somewhat care, but you know, the first lot is the ones they care about the most, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

I think that showed to the point you made, JC, that as soon as that sort of they managed to get an FNET or a Wi-Fi on the back of that console out of the box, fresh from the factory, it was already over for us, really. We were just sort of lambs to the slaughter, and we paid for it along the way. I think RGT and I have talked on an episode, or I think it was maybe even Bobby last week, where there was even a fact they they even were so crooked as to give you free games every month to get you on the PS Plus or the Xbox, you know, live there. Oh, you know, it's drug dealer tactics, but they're there.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

They're tactics won't.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Yeah, they did, they watered down your resistance to uh to to digital purchases by giving them to you free. And RGT and I have talked there was a while where games digitally were like throwaway titles almost or more indie developed, so they tended to be more kind of throwaway things, so you're like, oh, I'll get that I'll get that digital. Yeah, it makes sense, it's little arcade games, couple of quid, boom, done.

SPEAKER_07 17:46

Well, I was gonna say that normally a couple of quid back then as well, but it weren't like full price games, it was like, yeah, a few quid.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

They knew what they could get away with. Um, question for you then, Shredder. RGT's touched on it. Are we the last of the dinosaurs looking up a meteorite coming down through the atmosphere as we're sat there look stacking up our games and polishing them with the pledge and arranging them on the shelf with the spines, like all that's nice? Boom! Rise of the digital mammal. Is that where we're at? I mean, how do you feel about that, Shredder?

SPEAKER_06 18:18

Honestly, I mean, it kind of as a whole, it kind of looks like it, doesn't it? Because um at like now, like people grow up with like iPads and stuff. Like we didn't have that, like we had to collect our games and put them on the shelf, yeah. But now they can just, you know, use their mum's credit card or dad's credit card and their iPad and buy what they want and download it that way. So we probably are like the the last of the dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Wow. How does that feel? Do you think in like maybe 200 million years' time they're gonna open up like gamer park and they're gonna find like your DNA half in like a console somewhere and like recreate a shredder? What do you think to that?

SPEAKER_05 18:53

That's fucking great. I love that. I suppose I could find the DNA with those players. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Welcome to Gamer Affic.

Why Physical Buying Felt Special

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Um, okay, so if we're all dinosaurs surrounding ourselves with icons of our youth, I suppose another thing that's occurred to me recently, and I think Bobby and I talked about this, you know, we grew up in an era where game and electronics boutique and heck even Tesco's had a gaming aisle bigger than half shops these days. Do you think the fact that we saw all those physical games lined up, boys, do you think that's why we have an aspiration to recreate that at home, to create recreate that excitement, that buzz, that retail fresh experience? Is that why?

SPEAKER_07 19:38

Yeah, I've never really thought about that. But then as you've said it, like I know it's not dark. Growing up, I like I feel like I always wanted my house to look like a blockbuster. It was like you walk in, that's like that's where a lot of my happy times were in places like places like that. So you then you want to build your own place like that, but people growing up now haven't got that, so they're not used to it either. So that's what I we do probably I've not ever thought about that until just now.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

But I've I've had this conversation multiple times with multiple people, and they ask me, yeah, why are you collecting all these games? Why do you display them that way? Why do you have like all your boxes a certain way? And I'm literally like, I don't know, it's just that dopamine hit of walking into a game swap. I just want that in my room. Yeah, so I think, yeah, we even we do do it on a subconscious level, but at the same time we know like we know what we're doing, and it is but that again though, especially as they're starting to get rid of it, we're gonna need that feeling because again, what I mean, what's even gonna happen to shop?

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Well, that's that's part of buying a game, but you know, as far as I'm concerned, is you know, like you say, if it's a midnight launch, you go, you queue up, you get your game, you had manuals, you could read the manuals on the way home, you get hyped for the game, you have to install a game, or less as PS2, you could play it straight off. But you know, there was all that we're now missing that when they just press a button and download it.

SPEAKER_07 20:55

The excitement isn't there when there when there'd be four or five of your mates all waiting for a midnight long, like especially for a 360 PS3 time, you're rough shown, you're rushed home, you are reading the manual, like at the time someone's driving you home or driving yourself back, you're reading the manual, you all get on headset a lot of the times like going to college the next day with like 30 minutes sleep and stuff like that, or just calling six straight up, like because you're all there just playing COD for six, seven hours all night. Like you don't get that these days, like no.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

I mean, I queued up at midnight for Vice City, you know. My mate was like, Oh he was away, he said we need Vice Cities. We were we lodged together, shared a house. I was like, right, so off I went. Half an hour drive, got the Tesco's queued up, you know, waiting there thinking, Am I gonna get one? Am I gonna get one? Got the came. Yeah, we've still got some left. Is Vice City? Yes, you know, brilliant. That was all part of the experience of that game, you know.

SPEAKER_07 21:47

All the memories you have from just that midnight look, and even just sharing the story like straight away. You then think about midnight launches you have gone to and stuff, just hearing it. Kids now won't have that. It's just they'll not talk about do you remember when we stayed up at midnight down? Loaded that game. It took nine hours anyway. So I just stayed up for nothing.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

It's actually really sad. Yeah, like imagine saying that, yeah, that night when we stayed up and pressed X to play GTA 6. It's like that's not the same. There's no, there's not library there. Like, what are you gonna do? Go on Discord and like all be together. Oh guys, guys, oh push here.

SPEAKER_07 22:20

Yeah, whereas like I took during seven hours and we ain't downloads it.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Yeah, and then whereas, yeah, there is that sense of like again, friendship and like you know, like community when you're all sat together. Like my last midnight launch, the very last one I went to was for Mario Odyssey, and we was all playing Mario Kart before game. Yeah, we were all playing Mario Kart before game even opened the chat. And it's like again, some of those people were like the very first people I even added on Twitch, and that doesn't be fun about the kids.

SPEAKER_07 22:45

You won't meet randoms and build that community or something. Yeah, you need that social element.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

So I'm not being funny, gamers, we already struggle socially anyway, so it's like you need that social element, and they're just taking it away.

SPEAKER_07 22:55

I am I am awkward as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

I suppose that brings us back to that point, doesn't it? We talked about the 360 and the the PS3 being the first kind of digital consoles for want of a better word. And we kind of touched on it, but with the ever increasing like the full game not on the disc with the game key cards as Nintendo have done, which actually transpired not to be such a an egregious thing now. The PS6, presumably, they they will do physical boxes, but inside will be a code that you download.

SPEAKER_07 23:30

I mean more money for the physical just case? Because if so, you think what's the point? Yeah, that is pointless. If it's the same price, I still think well, I've just got a case. Yeah, so what's the point?

SPEAKER_03 23:40

If they're gonna do that, you might as well just buy a bunch of random empty cases on Amazon and then just print off your own cover art and just do it that way and then just buy the game digital.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Well, I think there's a little bit of gamesmanship because at the moment they are relying on people like Amazon and online storefronts to stock their consoles, they're also relying on people like Amazon and online storefronts to be able to enable you to buy the GTA 6. What they're probably quite cautious of doing right now is cutting their nose off to spite their face because there's still some time between now and then, and they still need these people to stock their physical console so they can get it to the to the marketplace. If you say to them, we're done boys, we're not gonna do your main revenue earner, your the you know, you might you might even choose to sell the PS6 at a loss to get people to your storefront in the hope they pick up other titles to accumulate money. Yeah, unfortunately, that those days are gone. I mean, how do the next generation of consoles navigate either A into people's homes or B to create that kind of want to buy if they're not represented on the local Tesco's or Asda or because those days are long gone. So where'd kids get the aspiration for them now?

SPEAKER_03 24:49

Yeah, that's true. Because I can't see a kid being all excited and going, Oh yeah, I'm gonna go on playstation.co.uk and scroll for grab a PS6 and maybe a t-shirt. Like it is there was a period of time where I did use the Nintendo website, but I will admit it's so out of the way, it's quite long. Like, you know what I mean? Like, whereas having your Amazon, your testo grasp, but it is it is easier, is that ease of access? So yeah, that is a tough one.

SPEAKER_07 25:14

Yeah, because like you said, I just always go straight on Amazon and that I don't ever yeah go on the actual websites. But then that's not stuff. The younger people probably Yeah, it's fairly nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

No, the the question is will they will they even really care? Will they know any better? And what does it do about scalping? Because what if again, someone goes on, let's say PlayStation decide, okay, we're only gonna sell the PS6 on our own on our own website, and then someone from like I don't know, Massachusetts codes like 20 bots and buys like seven of them and then tries selling them on Facebook Marketplace, it's like again, how are they gonna mitigate that as well? Because that's not quite bad as it is.

SPEAKER_06 25:48

Yeah, PS5's charges for that.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

PS5's thinking for that. I didn't get mine until like a year later. Yeah.

Limited Run Games And Collector Reality

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Um, okay, so I guess the question is, well, before we go into this next question, I suppose now that we know that the the big two have really sort of chopped their throat on physical editions of games, there's been one comp or a couple of companies that have been sort of extending us collectors, gamers, a little bit of an olive branch in the terms of limited run and people like that. As we approach PS6 and Helix, they've woken up to the fact that they're pretty much done as a company now, aren't they?

SPEAKER_07 26:26

Yeah, I was just saying they're unless they yeah, because a lot of their thing you want it for the physical size, no one's gonna bother getting it when it's all digital. I've heard a lot of people say, What about people like Limited Run? And unfortunately, unless they just do it for older older systems and still release like retro packages and stuff, like they're not gonna be anywhere near as much money.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Because they they currently do do that, don't they, RGT? In some ways, we do see like Mega Drive versions and other bits of Bob's by some of those people, don't we? Of like, you know, I'm going back a little bit, but Pia Solar and other things that came after did see like a retro release and other things that kind of half justified it. Is that where they're living now?

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Yeah, I think um, especially with limited run, I think they've been seeing the writing on the wall because they've started opening stores up. Um, and I know you've got at least one or two stores now, which people are getting annoyed about because they said, hang on, you said you're releasing 5,000 delize, but now you've done another print and you're selling them in the shop.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

So I so but I think they've sort of seen, hang on, we need more than online now, you know. We need we're gonna be backing up from sort of PS5 backwards now, and we we need to have a product to sell. I suppose they're hoping that maybe PS6 you know, Helix isn't gonna be as popular now with the digital. Maybe people will hang on with this gen or even the previous gen and will still be buying these these limited run ones. I don't know, but yeah, it's it's interesting to see where that, you know, with super rare and people like that, where you know that lies with all them going forward and how it'll impact them with this news.

SPEAKER_07 28:02

I still think collectors will probably support these people, and and that's gonna be the majority of their business. You would assume collectors anyway in C V they'll still pick by, but if you have previous gens, are you still getting it?

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Yeah, it could be the other way now where limited run will jump on latest releases and say, hang on, you want a physical, you know, even if it's like if it's cross gen, so it's like PS5 and still on the Series X, they might do a print run for it, you know, so that people can have a physical. They might try and work that out, but yeah, we'll see. Be interesting.

SPEAKER_07 28:35

They are going to struggle though, I do think.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

I think I think they've done that before because I remember um I remember going CEX and seeing that Streets of Rage 4, there was two copies on the shelf, and one was limited run, and the other one was actually officially satisfied.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Yeah, don't talk to me about that. I got stung with that. I I pre-ordered Streets of Rage 4 for Limited Run because they said we're the only ones. Yeah, they said, Yeah, we're the only ones doing a physical, we're only going to be doing the physical. I pre-ordered, took me a year to get the copy. In the meantime, other people have got the license for just selling them uh and printing them and selling them. So I went.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

You couldn't have had a better example, JC. That was absolute fire. It just worked perfectly.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

No, because it's what I remember because um there was just some games where they they came out digitally first and limited run straight away, like what you were saying earlier. They were straight in there going, Oh, we've got the physical. But then later the studio would announce, no, we are bringing a physical, it's just gonna take a year, but limited run already had it like within like a month. So it was yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

So I actually got my copy six months after all everyone else had got their physicals from the other providers.

SPEAKER_07 29:37

I was like, they've already finished playing it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

And I paid I paid a year in advance like 50 quid for a game they've paid 35 for and got their copy six months before me. I was like, I think I'm done with limited run.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

Yeah, and all it is is just on the box, it's just a case of the the box heart is exactly the same, you wouldn't know any different. It's just on the spine, it has the big limited run logo. That's how I saw it, because the two copies were next to each other on the switch section, but one of them had big old limited run down the room and the other one's.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

I think maybe the only thing we gained, I think there might have been a CD soundtrack in there. I think we had CD soundtrack. Was it worth along great? No, definitely not. Everyone's going, Oh, this game's so good. I was like, Yeah, well, I'm still waiting.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

JC, which version did you think about buying? Was it not the limited runs that had that grossness on the side?

SPEAKER_03 30:22

Or no, you know what? I was gonna do a bit of a mad one. I was gonna buy both and just be like, I have both. Yeah, yeah, that is that's that's a relevant to it that makes you go, you know what, for the sake of it, I'll have both.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Yeah, well, to croach Shredder's famous gamer asic park, gamers will find a way, won't they? Let's face it. So let me pose you this question,

Where Gaming Goes Next From Here

SPEAKER_00 30:48

men. As it is, as it stands, it's not looking great. So I think the question that is on our lips is where does the industry go from here? Are you locked in now at PS5 until you're 80, 90 years old, or are you gonna start maybe experimenting with other systems? Go retro, go Steam, although that's the same shit, just dressed up with a keyboard. Like, what's going on here, boys?

SPEAKER_03 31:12

I'm not gonna lie, my backlog is under the roof. I was just gonna say I'm gonna be playing PS5 by the time the PS8 is even thought about. Because honestly, I have so many games on PS3 that I was saying this the other night on stream. Like once I've done once I've platinum ghost of Tsushima, I need to go back and do PS3. And this is the other element to it, but where they've just threatened to shut down the the three and the um the vital swinging. The thing, yeah, the thing I'm scared of is when they announce they're gonna stop support for trophies, and the day when they announce that, it's like I'm gonna be on the PS3 for like the next year or however long I have. Like if as soon as they put a date, like if they said, like, I don't know, June 2027, trophies will be disabled. The next year I'll be playing PS3. Literally, that's all I'll be doing.

SPEAKER_07 31:55

See you know what makes it tough though, because like most of the time I play more retro realistically anyway, and I've got I've got what 700 PS1 games roughly, I've got a backlog that will keep me going till I die around like uh you know, with my diet, I'll make it to about 50, 55, and then I'm gone. But I've got enough to last me till then. But realistically, when Resident Evil comes out of a new game, I'm going to get the new gen. And it annoys me, it breaks my heart. But I've spent my whole lifetime following this series, so I'm gonna want to continue to follow it, and that's making it digital, but I know I'm gonna end up buying the next gen.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

What if you thought that you'd be able to get a digital version on your Switch too? That dusty little thing in the side of the corner that's not been teasing you because we know they're gonna continue supporting physical editions of games. Does that draw you towards Ninty more, or are you still shunning?

SPEAKER_07 32:45

That's a solid point that would probably push me towards Nintendo more if they're the only things releasing games, but I still think with Resident Evil, for example, all my trophies I've played that whole series on PlayStation, but I've got all my trophies, so I want to get the next one still as like Scient Hill. I play it on the Xbox, so I've got my Scient Hill after to do an Xbox sort of thing, but like I'm gonna want the next Resident Evil and PlayStation still for my trophies. But it is true, Nintendo probably will sway me a lot more with uh a lot more games for their system. Like the ones I absolutely love and have to get, I'll get on PlayStation, but the ones I'm like 50-50 about, it'll be physical copy on Nintendo.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Yes, I saw a good thing the other day, it was actually just a little meme came up on a YouTube short, and they they said it ain't just the digital that's going to be the problem going forward, and they shoe four screenshots and they shoe a guy's face on the PS2 to the PS3 to the PS4 to the PS5, and they said the increments are very small now. PS2 to PS3 was a massive leap, PS3 to PS4 was a good leap, four to five was very tight, and they're saying you're now going to be paying well over a thousand bucks for a console with small increments and doesn't have a disk drive, it's a lot harder sell nowadays. You're not getting that massive leap.

SPEAKER_07 34:06

Well, if you think back in the day it went from eight-bit to 16-bit big gap, and then it went every dynamic. And then it went from that to then 3D, and then it, you know, it just kept getting better, like, and then yeah, now for I'd probably say from PS4 to five, is there a difference? It's for me, not that much of a difference where I care about.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

So, yeah, that's that's a very valid point. There's there's got a I know they're always trying to break boundaries, but there is there is a visual ceiling because as well, you've got to think the human eye can only really see up to a certain quality. Yeah, like I remember when they announced the PS5 Pro, I know obviously, like I think it was a couple months before Sony released an 8K TV. I remember going curry's just to stare at it because it was nice to look at. And I thought the PS5 Pro was going to be 8k, but no, it was just 4K, but you get 60 frames a second. So I was like, all you've done is just basically upgraded the CPU and maybe the RAM. So it's like when I'm sure once we hit that point where they're gonna do games in 8k, if they do, it's like then yeah, where can you really go from there? Because there's only so much materialistic you can do it.

SPEAKER_07 35:07

So does it stay on TV or does it end up becoming virtual reality?

SPEAKER_03 35:11

I was gonna say that does it become ready player one.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yeah, is that the next step? I've I've always compared it to I I've always said on the show with game and a slight boot Bugatti Veiler on doing a top speed run. Because you have a thousand horsepower to get to you know 250 miles an hour, you probably need another thousand to get to 260. You need so much more power for very little jumps. Yeah, and and we're hitting it, we're starting to bottleneck now where we're not they're they're having to do with I can't remember how many more times the pro is more powerful than the five. Yeah, you need a decent eye to see that, you know. So it's yeah, it it's getting tough, and it's a hard sell nowadays to do that. And I think it's where sometimes where money is as well.

SPEAKER_07 35:52

It's it's not like the price is somewhat reasonable, it's like a few hundred more quick.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

Yeah, it's like yeah, it's not just it doesn't just come down to the console as well, it also comes down to again, like you're gonna need the TV. Like, I remember having this chat with someone who I worked with. I had this chat where like this this person, I won't name them, but they're a very very casual person, like they don't care about specs. I remember he bought his PS5 and he still kept his little like 32 inch 1080p TV. And I was like, So you've bought this 4K console, but you ain't even got the TV to play it on, so you're not gonna see the difference. And he was all like, Oh, well, what does that matter? I was like, but it does though, because that's what they're trying to sell you, and that's it.

SPEAKER_07 36:31

It's 4k, you don't get nothing to play it on a bad TV. I'm similar, I couldn't care less, really. Like, I can still play the game and my eyes, my eyes it probably got like the saying where it's fucking blurry half the time, anyway, because I've got dodgy eyes. So yeah, either way, it makes no real deal, like you don't care that much.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Okay, I know YouTube loves, but yeah, when that's what they're trying to sell you, because it like like you just said earlier, when Sony are coming with the PS5 Pro and going, Yeah, look, look at how much more powerful it is, but if you haven't got the equipment for it, why do you even it becomes pointless?

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Yeah, and also another point now with Sony is they've announced that obviously they always sell consoles at a loss. So when the PS5 was first produced, it was costing Sony about £1,200 in computer parts. They were selling it for £500. Now they've said they're not subsidising anymore. They they want to sell for what they're making, hence why it's £1,200, £1,500, maybe, you know. So it's you're gonna have to buy the console of what they're making it for, which is hence the high price nowadays, which I think they're gonna push a lot of people out of definitely.

SPEAKER_07 37:38

Only the only the wealthy can realistically afford that sort of money. Yeah, that's right. That's that's you know, a normal person ain't spending that on a console, and it's gonna push 60%, 70% of the of the country, like for example, just not in your four.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

And the biggest market in gaming is the casual gamer, that's where they want to hit. They all we they got all the hardcore gamers they want. That's the casual market. Yeah, if you're if you're if you're pricing it at 12, 1500, then casuals are gone, they're not gonna jump on board. That's where they're all trying to pull people in, that's where the extra gamers are.

SPEAKER_07 38:14

I wouldn't spend that money on the on a system.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

The reason why it it was making me chuckle a bit, but do you not kind of feel like it's almost going to become like a full circle moment where in the beginning gaming was just for the nerds, and then everyone got into it because it was so easy, and now if they're gonna do this, if anything, it's just gonna go back to the nerds. It's like do you know what I mean? It's gonna be a very luxury IML. Yeah, yeah, because like the nerds are gonna be the hardcore one. Got PS6, you nerd. You live with your mum, get a mortgage. So like it's like we want to get to game.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

So you've got to pick in this in the modern age, you've got to pick whether you're gonna be a gamer in your back in your mum's back bedroom for the rest of your life, or maybe get a house and uh look at look wantingly at someone with the console. Is that's where we're at? We're either move out or game. If the future of gaming is digital, whether we like it or not, and it's forced upon us, man.

Why Game Pass And PS Plus Struggle

SPEAKER_00 39:23

I must ask this question. If that's the case, why are things like PS Plus or Premium and Game Pass why are they failing?

SPEAKER_04 39:34

Ooh, that's a bloody good question. That's a really good question.

SPEAKER_03 39:38

Oh, they I didn't know they were failing.

SPEAKER_04 39:39

I was thinking they were doing quite well. I mean I think the Xbox one's doing well. Yeah, well, are they failing?

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Shredder, I I I don't wanna I don't wanna hurt you here, but no no, go for it.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

Yeah, no, we I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Game Game Pass is one of the things that's literally brought Xbox to its knees. It's unsustainable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:59

But they have didn't they raise it? No, they didn't price drop it. No, they increased it. No, no, they increased it and just doing this full standard. Yeah, it's just increased it again. The fact that it's flaming, could it be the price of it?

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Well, and also I think I think gamers gamers are sort of regressing a bit because in the first couple of weeks of Forza Horizon 6 coming out, there was six million playing it on Games Pass, but they sold six point eight million copies, so there was more people buying physical and playing it than there was playing it on Game Pass. So, and that's when they started to realize yeah, so they were like, hang on, we've just given six million copies away here.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Okay, they've got the subs, but you know I've always said this about sort of Games Pass. If you've been in the Xbox ecosystem for a while, you've already played and finished half the games they're giving to you for free. You've probably got them on your shelf, you've probably got Master Chief's bobblehead six times over.

SPEAKER_07 40:58

A hundred percent the amount of time, yeah. Like if I ever do go on it, uh, you look for a game to download, you think, well, half of them are sitting here, and the other half I just don't care about like the same lot of the things, yeah, a lot of games I'm there I don't overly care about too much anyway.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

Yeah. I mean, I feel like I mean this is just how I use it, but I just feel like I use it to mainly catch up with new stuff so I can focus on getting old stuff. Whereas I I don't see the point of someone who yeah is only collecting current gen having it because, like you guys said, they probably already own those games anyway. That's the thing and they're gonna have like special editions, like yeah. So Shredder, questioning what it's fighting about.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Question for Shredder, then, because you seem to be like most shocked that Games Pass, and it's they're in their own admission, it's not working for them. Is that because you're extracting extreme value from Games Pass?

SPEAKER_06 41:50

No, so it's literally I'll just judge it from my workplace because um two people from my work, there's literally like five lads that work there, two of them have Game Pass, and the others are on PlayStation. So I just assumed out of them statistics that you know Game Pass was doing well.

unknown 42:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

What how would you describe them as gamers? Are they sort of casuals? Are they the sort of people before Games Pass that would have yeah an Xbox, maybe a two-year-old FIFA and the latest card, and maybe whatever the four-year-old GTA was that got kicking around? There's literally three games, probably a party game like Come Dance or something that his missus forced on him, and then something that he took a risk on, then got scared with like Resident Evil or something, still in this rapper.

SPEAKER_06 42:32

No, yeah, they'll one that just plays FIFA, um something else, I can't remember what it was, and then the other one just has the uh game pass to play Call of Duty when that comes out and falls up.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

You see, they're pinning the hopes on sort of they've always kind of pinned their hopes on pinning down the casual, but you know, the nerds have a high attach rate, and attach rate is the console and how many games are normally sold with it, and that's also a metric that you measure at the end of the console's lifetime to work out whether the console had been successful. But the attach rate of a casual through the entire seven to ten year lifespan on the console is probably about four games. Why are they chasing the casual if the casual doesn't endorse what they do?

SPEAKER_01 43:15

You know, and especially if you're paying £240 a year and you're only downloading two games, it'd have been cheaper to go out and buy them games rather than have the subscription. So it's that you know, you that they put it in your mind you're getting these for free. These are free games on Games Pass, but you're not looking back at what you've been paying for the last five years to get to that stage to get those games.

SPEAKER_07 43:35

So it's yeah. One of the things of value isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 43:42

I think personally, I think what they were trying to do was they were trying to again like this this is all happening around the peak of like uh streaming services in terms of movies and TV shows. I think they really they really wanted to believe they could be the Netflix of gaming. They thought, even if we do get the casual who only plays like the same thing. Three franchises, Battlefield, FIFA, Call of Duty, they were hoping that just that appeal of here's a big menu of games, it's a buffet, go nuts. Someone will go, Oh, yeah, maybe I will play um We Happy Few, or maybe I will play the crew motorsport. But I think it's had the opposite, yeah. I think it's had the opposite effect. Because when people watch TV, they might go, Oh yeah, actually, I might flick this on because we'll put the TV on as background noise. Gamers are the same. Gaming requires you to lock in and no one's gonna lock in something they don't care about.

SPEAKER_07 44:32

It's very hard to just lock in or casually play a game that you've never heard of or really don't care about. Because you know you've got to put in hours. Yeah, yeah. It's not like I'm not gonna invest my time into that properly.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Whereas going on Netflix and then binging, I don't know, the entirety of Stranger Things, then afterwards you see some random, like, I don't know, Korean film, and you go, I'll just put that on while I do the washing up. That that I think that's what they were hoping to do, but it doesn't work with gaming.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

No, very true.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

That's the sort of game.

SPEAKER_06 44:58

Oh go on. No, Shredder, you go. Oh, thank you. Um yeah, like if you stop your subscription, you then lose access to all of those games. Yeah. So like if you stop playing a game for like two two months and your mate's like, oh, let's play this, you've then got to pay like £13 or whatever it is to then get access to that game again. And I think that's also like a what would you call it?

SPEAKER_03 45:22

It's just not because they aren't on there, the like it's not that as soon as you install it, you have access to it all the time. So let's say, for example, you decide to download an open world game, you're part way through it, it's now suddenly been taken off of Game Pass. You're like, oh, I really wanted to finish Far Cry, but Ubisoft have pulled it off. I guess I'll just go back to COD now. Like, do you know what I mean? And that feeling as well, that can also put someone off of a whole franchise because they didn't even get to finish the game they installed on the subscription.

SPEAKER_07 45:50

So it's just yeah, that would put you off a whole franchise, because especially if you just put in hours and then you lost it all. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 45:58

Collectible without it's not on there, it says please buy the full game to carry on. You're gonna be like, no, I'm just gonna play something else.

SPEAKER_07 46:03

You just get what you've already got, yeah, and just go back.

Physical Media Revival And Retro Prices

SPEAKER_00 46:06

JC sort of touched on it in his answer, but um, obviously the arrival of Netflix, Amazon Prime, all those streaming services kind of hooked in Xbox and PlayStation into thinking, oh yeah, we we ought to do that too. I guess with the advent of everything that's gone on, the announcement of the lack of disk drives, are we looking at a point in time where every form of entertainment that we've grown up with will now be digitally locked behind a wall that we have to pay to access? Is that where we're going? Is that the future now for us entertainment consumers?

SPEAKER_07 46:38

We've been that way for a couple of years, though. I feel like we've yeah we've been going that way where it's all gonna be, yeah, painting behind the wall and all digital. And for what the last couple of years we've been knowing is coming. Yeah, it's been a way of coming, yeah. I feel like everyone's known is coming, it's just when and it's I think now it's just a it's too soon for us all to like accept. But we knew it was happening. That's that don't make it any easier.

SPEAKER_01 47:05

I've always wondered what we got lord into this sorry, carry on, TC.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

Oh, sorry. No, I was gonna say, I think it's a case of we all got lord into this false sense of security where even with just games with gold, first they they drip feed it to you three games a month, three games a month, and you think, yeah, go on then. And then as soon as Netflix boomed, we all knew as soon as like Game Pass come out, it was coming. Like it's just been this ongoing storm, and now the rain clouds just won out.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah. But I think the only sort of ray of sunshine I think is the revival of vinyl. Um, people are going back to physical media, people are loving collecting vinyls. Even now, there's actually uh a big scene building for cassette tapes, and there's new companies making cassette tapes of soundtracks and bits and pieces. So there is, you know, I wonder if the gaming industry will do that. You know, will people regress and go back to thinking, hang on, I used to have discs when I was young, I used to have cartridges when I was younger. You know, will there be this sort of revival of old, you know.

SPEAKER_07 47:59

Only from a certain age. And because the only reason I say that is so I I'm 30 right now. So people I work with, for example, at work, there's a couple of younger lads in their 20, 20 to 22. They all they've known is digital anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it makes no difference. Like it depends from a certain age, you'll go back. But if all you've known is really digital, you ain't gonna overly care. It's just whatever keeps everything tidy, neat and not a mess and it doesn't clutter up. But people you know that are realistically late 20s and older, they might go back. Yeah, and the style is that you will want to go back where you'll probably think. I remember when I used to have uh put the discs in and a wired controller and things like that, and you'll be like younger people won't care. I don't think it's it's it's sad.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

I was gonna say I can't think my kids like going back to physical because they don't know them physical.

SPEAKER_07 49:01

They've known is yeah, they've physical they've known, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

They won't care about physical.

SPEAKER_00 49:05

I I I JC, I can recommend sitting your kids down, probably sort of tying their arms to the chair, getting some clockwork orange things for them, and just forcing them to play physical games until until they actively convert.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

I've tried, listen, I've I actually do try and get them to dabble to dabble in a bit of retro, but it is hard because as well, it's you're influenced by where you spend, I'd say, 85% of your time. So you think if they spend time with me and they see me playing all this old stuff, plus anything your parents do you think is lame. So when they see me playing all these retro games, they're like, oh, that's old, and then they go to school, where again they're surrounded by other kids who are just into the same thing. Yeah, so then it just makes I I'd like to hope they're gonna get into it, but again, you can only understand that from a from that element to it, that social element to it, they're gonna want to fit in more than be like, oh well, dad keeps popping in a cartridge, what even is a cartridge? I don't care about that.

SPEAKER_07 49:54

And I bet you whenever they game, it's all in new gen.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

Yeah, yeah, but it's still only played like on the Xbox. Yeah, and it's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Okay, well, as collectors, gamers, vloggers, the question I have for you then are we gonna see Gen 6, 7, and 8 going up retrospectively in price now, or or even older consoles?

SPEAKER_07 50:14

Are people gonna see everything? I mean, we're already at uh some consoles and uh like I also dabble in reselling them on one of them.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

Um dirty dog game, someone dirty ones. He gave scalpers some grief on the way in the door, and he's just a he's a scalper for dinosaur boats. Hang on a minute, you get a game no car boot for two pounds. Are you selling it on for two pounds or are you jacking the price up?

SPEAKER_07 50:46

No, no, if if I get it cheap, I'll sell it cheap.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

Sell it for exactly the same price as you bought it for.

SPEAKER_07 50:53

No, I'm not stupid.

SPEAKER_05 50:56

Then you're a mapper H is I never said I was clean, I always admitted to be dirty. He is dirty, but I'm also a heavy, heavy collector as well. It's like I was I also do collect. You got a fun to have you're gonna see a price, but we are gonna see a massive price.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Which gen do you think is gonna spike? Which gen boys do you think are you gonna see spike the hardest? Is it that PS3 360, or is it gonna go a little bit deeper than that because that's solid by the Ethernet cable? Where where is the sweet spot spot for us?

SPEAKER_07 51:34

No, because you're already seeing the 360 and PS3 cre creep up in price anyway.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

Yeah, I was gonna pay over the 300s.

SPEAKER_07 51:40

I've noticed they are already going up because as time goes on, the people who grew up with that want to hit their nostalgia again. The people who grew up with NES have already got their they've already got their collection, they've got their nostalgia, they've got most of the time. I'm not saying they've gone it all, whereas PS3 and 360 now, like you your late teens that are going into 20s to 25 now want to get a bit of their nostalgia back. Like, so you're seeing it all hike up, and I think every few years you're gonna see each console hike up until PS5 anyway.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

Yeah, yeah. I think it also comes down to how many copies are out in the wild and the condition of those copies. Because for example, you see it with like PS2 and PS3, they have lots of games that have thousands of copies, and when thousands of those copies end up in CEX CX will get rid of them for 50p. You, those games for styling a Skyrocket because where the console's already a failure, there's already limited copies of those in the wild. Then factor in the fact that maybe someone didn't take a game. Yeah, you're only looking for a game that's gonna be. Yeah, if you're for mint retro games, it's gonna get a lot harder because it's gonna be like, yeah, you're really relying on everyone must have had the cleanest copy ever, which we know isn't true. There's gonna be boxes are gonna be torn up and like cases destroyed. So then that that's that element of it's gonna increase in price.

SPEAKER_07 53:08

You uh you're definitely gonna see a skyrocket. And certain games and it all goes digital. The first six months, people are just gonna go crazy and you're really gonna it will eventually come back down and go up, but then first six months when is it 2028 when it all goes digital?

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_07 53:29

Then the first six months you'll see everything, people panic and people start going, Oh, I want this one pound game, I'll pay a tenner for it. Yeah, I think that's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

It's gonna encourage more people to again want to scalp, because if you know you've only got a limited amount of time left until everything goes digital, again, you're gonna see someone program a bunch of bots buy a bunch of sealed copies of the next, yeah, the next whatever franchise, and then they'll have their one that they play, and then they'll keep like five sealed, and then in a couple years post them on eBay, yeah, for a couple of grand and be like, Look, I've got because again, like I said, it comes down to that element of you want the best condition one because you're gonna want to display it and play it, and it's yeah, but no one's no one's gonna care if the box is destroyed, but everyone's gonna want to keep theirs sealed for the value it'll present later on. If anything, I've already seen it happen now, but you get graded games.

SPEAKER_01 54:17

I was literally thinking people were just gonna stop doing that.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

It's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:21

We saw it with the Xbox 360 store shut down. There's sudden this ridiculous spike, you know. A game that I forgive me, I can't remember the name, it was a space game I was playing. Me and George have been talking about it a couple of years ago. I paid £3 in CX for it. Next time I went to CEX after the store shut, it was £50. And I was like, What the hell? How is that £50? Because it was a clean copy, and because you know, there wasn't many of them, it was more of a digital game on the 360 store, and suddenly all these games and they just had this start and price of all these games of £50 in CEX, and you're thinking that's gonna happen again, that's gonna happen again.

SPEAKER_07 54:55

And I think they're gonna they're still gonna they've still not reached their max price, I don't think, either. No, no, definitely not much higher, and then you can see other systems like yeah, just follow suit. But I remember when that 360 still closed, it price hyped a lot of games.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Yeah, people went mad for it, didn't I?

SPEAKER_07 55:13

I hated the fact that I was going for 360 at the time because I was looking at the cost of ten, and I was like trying to then hunt them down for 40, 50 grand.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

Yeah, that's magazine.

SPEAKER_07 55:22

It was just starting to irritate me because I knew if I just grabbed it a month ago, I would have saved so much money.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

I suppose I feel like we've I think we've navigated the the future of digital gaming.

One Item To Save From Fire

SPEAKER_00 55:35

It doesn't sound nice. I want to try and finish, if I may, gents, on like a little bit of nostalgia from you guys. Or let me frame it this way: if your house set on fire right now, your kids are out already, and you see a window where you can get in through the smoke and grab one thing from your gaming collection, men individually. What would that item be? Oh, we say just one item, or like oh H Chris, I'm making you sweat. There's no compromise here.

SPEAKER_07 56:03

We're not we're not saying like that whole collection's a one. Oh, I know, no, no, no. I'm not saying I'm strong, but I can lift a few bags at once.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

For this for this mind experiment, you've got enough time to grab one item and that is it. Or alternatively, you can burn to death amongst it. You can frazzle yourself on a pyre of your own collection if that's your choice.

SPEAKER_07 56:30

That's you, mate. I I know what would happen because you extract it. I'd be going in for more than one eye. You know what though, it's a tough one because one my answer changes depending on what day you ask me, and then it also my mind goes, do I go straight away for the most valuable or do I straight away go for the most thing I just love the most? Yeah, and then it becomes difficult.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

Let's go with nostalgia or money.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

Let's go with a nostalgic answer. H3 is give me your answer. What is it?

SPEAKER_07 56:59

Nostalgic answer.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

I mean, by the way, if your house is on fire, this is already all gone. So you you know you're you're sat there amongst the ashes talking about what you might have saved. So what might you have saved?

SPEAKER_07 57:15

You know what? Nostalgic wise, one of my PS2's box is the one I had it's mine from a child. Yeah, with so maybe that like nostalgic wise, if not, maybe one of like my Pokemon like Heart Gold that still has my save file from when I was like 10, for example, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

Okay, to summarize to summarize, H Driz is dead.

SPEAKER_06 57:43

Shredder, what's Shredder? What would you grab? Uh mine would be my sealed copy of Ocarina of Time on the 3DS.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

It's not worth a lot.

SPEAKER_06 57:55

You'd go for the sealed copy more than the unsealed. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:58

Well, yeah, because we can build the people, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

Not only that, but if you did want to sell it to make money to, I don't know, put towards a new house.

SPEAKER_06 58:08

So he's thinking, yeah, yeah, please give me your 60 pounds to put towards a new house.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

Okay, it'll get it'll get to a door now for the fun of the Shredder's saving a 3DS game with its hymen intact. JC, what are you saving?

SPEAKER_03 58:23

See, this is the thing. As soon as you asked the question, my brain immediately went to the nostalgic part. But then the the other part of me was immediately like, oh no, but actually I'll probably regret it later down the line because I'm like you, my answer changes depending on what I'm feeling every hour of the value. This is the thing. But as soon as you asked the question, my brain just went my Nintendo DS with my Pokemon Platinum, because that's the one I know I could play that game forever. Like genuinely, I feel like I could play that game forever. But then there'll only be that little voice in my head that goes, Oh, but I could have saved this one.

SPEAKER_07 58:52

Yeah, yeah. If we're being realistic, I'm running in and dying again. I'm not dying again, but I'm running in and dying once. I'm sacrificing my life to get what I can out. Do you know what the mad thing is?

SPEAKER_01 59:04

I I've already planned out for if my house is on fire, what I'm grabbing. I've already known what I'm gonna grab out of my that's a lot of safety mechanism, so I know as I'm going out the door, that's coming with me.

SPEAKER_07 59:14

I've already planned mine.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

In that scenario, then me, I'd be my um uncharted free special edition signed by Nolan North.

SPEAKER_07 59:23

Oh, that's a much better choice than what we all picked. I didn't think about that's such a better bit straight.

SPEAKER_03 59:31

Because I've got it, I think I've got that here. Is that would that be the one that's like a book? Because I actually have a book for me. Yeah, yeah, I'll put it here. Yeah, this one.

SPEAKER_01 59:38

Right, yes, that's the one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

Oh, you got it signed, that's sick.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

Yeah, my friends went to a convention and said, Oh, this this no or was going to convention. Oh, is this Nolan North? Is that the guy you you like on Uncharted? I was like, Yes, because he doesn't do many conventions. So he said, Do you want us to take that and get it signed for it? I was like, Yeah, and because he she's showing a picture of my uncharted collection. So he grabbed a phone and sent me a video saying, I love your collection, thanks very much, Tom. Really cool. You know, I've signed your book for you and done a bit of the Nathan Drake voice and stuff. And yeah, so that's brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:09

Is that video on your Insta? Because I think I remember seeing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

Yes, it is, yeah, it's on my Instagram. Yeah, so a sort of special place in my heart. That so that's definitely within grabbing range as I go out the door. Then I might get back in for the wife.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:25

Well, I'll be honest with you, I consider myself to be as dead as H Driz on this because I'll be able to my most nostalgic piece is uh an Atari ST game, which was a stable mate of the Amiga that I played with my dad. So it's all full nostalgia. I don't know why, but it's in the loft. So halfway up, I'd be dead of smoke inhalation. So I'll see you at the Pearlie Gates, boys. That's all I'll say. We ain't making it far together in that we're gonna be in like some trauma-packed hugging at the foot of a melted pile of your 360 games. That's a perfect storm going down with a ship.

Where To Find Two And Half Gamers

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

Man, I think we've done we've we've covered this, and it's been an absolute joy. But one thing I want to do is make sure that people who've listened to this and they've enjoyed our time together that they know how to directly access not every every single one of you, but each your content as a whole. So please tell us, tell them how they're gonna get access to your YouTube, your streams, your vlogs, your blogs, all of that good stuff. Where they're gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

Well, yeah, I mean that's how they get access to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:37

This is it, this is your time. This is your time. Yeah, come on, boys. This is your time to shine. Get it pumped. Not it, but the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:47

No, honestly, um, I would say yeah, the best place to find us is on YouTube if you want to see all three of us together. Um, we all we all have our own individual instas. We've been told to make a group insta, but I just find that a lot of effort. Yeah, yeah. It's just it's yeah, if you want to see all of us together, head over to our YouTube channel, Two and Half Gamers UK, um, where we've again, yeah, you'll see like we stream, we we do unboxings, we do vlogs. We literally just cover like a wide.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:13

Every gaming event we vlog that we go over.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

Yeah, every event. Honestly, we want to try and do every event in the UK. And if you if everyone wants to be a part of that journey and see us go to all different places in the UK and even further beyond, the YouTube is the best place to go. I'd say use the other socials if you want to I guess keep up to date with the streaming. Because like when we go live, I'll post on my Instagram story that when I'm live, or it'll be on Facebook. So we do have, yeah, the main thing is the YouTube, but we do have a Facebook, we have a Twitch if people want to talk to us live, and yeah, but the best one's the YouTube.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:43

I said YouTube, Facebook, and Twitch are the main three for two and a half gamers UK. Yeah, and then I'm gonna go to three to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

Okay, perfect. And you mentioned that you go around different events all over. Where's the next place people will be able to potentially see you in person if they stumble across you in one of these events? Where, where and how would that be?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

We literally haven't planned. Okay, we we hit a kind of point. So I'd say it was December last year. We talked non-stop about we need to be at this game market, we need to be at this game market. We got invited to go Norwich because that's actually where we saw you guys. Was that OL? We planned up until Comic-Con in May, and then we just kind of stopped.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:23

Although we must miss the OOL. Some questionable answers on that. Um, best console ever answers. I know some shocking answers on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:34

There were kids in the audience, right? And they and and to be honest with you, I'm not gonna apologize to for saying that the 3D O is the best console of all time. I'm not, because you just look at it, you know, and then you're gonna go, oh, Xbox 360, get out of town. This this thing can daisy chain controllers, it was it was it was it was a bit of a different vibe. It looked cool, it looked like it was hewn of granite. The Xbox 360 looked like a tablet that's on a tread on.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:02

The amount of abuse I got in 360 parties, though, I have to continue the love. I thought all that abuse was for nothing. I got on 360 parties from you.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:15

See, there's an island where Harry's standing there with a 360 logo on a flag and he will not move. So you know, I'm not busty. He loves it.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:25

One of the two, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:26

Team Green, he loves it.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:29

Literally, yeah, he's on Team Green. So that's not gonna sponsor me.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

They'll be beating your door down after today, H3s. Once they know you're willing to be cocooned within your own 360 game in a burning pile of toxic plastic, no one else has ever committed that to them.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:46

You would like to think you're a lone little island with them.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

If Asha's got a heart, mate, she'll sort that for you. Absolutely. Well, I guess that draws us to an end, gentlemen. I I've got to say, I've been absolutely blown away by the pleasure of your company. You've certainly woken me up to the definitely gaming through a younger lens, if I might be so bold, uh, and and the way that you know this digital transition is uh taking shape and how it affects us all. Um, I'm a little concerned that your kids have I'm out of yeah, that's the no, yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:24

We can we can try as hard as we can, but it's like I said, that it gets to the point where again they think you're just of being lame and old, and they will and again it's that social element. They are gonna go, they they spend a majority of their time in school and they spend a majority of their time with their own generation, they're not gonna be trying to get into what we're into.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:42

I'm gonna talk about pocket money. Everything's gonna be a game isn't a brilliant idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Bribery.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

To nick that one, yeah. That's actually a brilliant idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

That's why he's an Xbox guy, because he's using the same tactics that got hooked him hooked into Xbox Live and Games Pass to get his kids into gaming. This guy is Absolute animal for the brand. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:07

Trainy Phil Spencer.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:10

I want a paternity test on extra now. On that bombshell, I've got to say that's uh thank you again, gents, for coming. And I implore everyone to check you out on YouTube. Absolutely fantastic channel. If they're lucky enough to bump into you in person, they're gonna get even more blown away because I tell you what, you guys cutting around places like OLL, spreading your energy, enjoy it literally lifts the place. So, you know, more power to you, and hopefully we'll see you on the scene. See you all three of you on the scene again soon. Um, and that's all we have time for this week, listeners. As always, thank you for your time. We look forward to the pleasure of speaking to you again next week. Until then, happy gaming. And remember, there's nothing wrong with being given the unofficial controller, it's what you do with it that counts. See you guys.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:55

See you later.

Subscriber Shoutouts And Support Pitch

SPEAKER_00 1:06:58

Now it's time for our subs list. As this was an interview episode, it got a little bit crazy, so we didn't really have the space to give you the respect you deserved. So um I don't know whether you've listened past the music at this point or whether you've not listened past the music. But wherever this finds its way uh into your lives, we're very grateful for you. Uh GT, are you gonna start or am I? Shall I start this week? I think. Yeah, stress yourself up. What you got?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:30

Well, first out of the box, as always, we have the wonderful Gazcon who has now got his subscriber bucks and is also winging away some UCP merch out to Australia to ShaneCon.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

Bloody ShaneCon. He gets everywhere, doesn't he? ShaneCon gets where water can't. If you've done Gascon and ShaneCon, I'm gonna do well, I'm not gonna do him. Well, am I? I'm gonna read out Captain Scarlet, how is behind the scenes? He's editing videos, he is cutting up images, he's making thumbnails. What you don't realise is that if you assemble all of the thumbnails onto a sheet of paper and then zoom out 300 miles, he's actually skillful enough for that to have been a magic eye.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:14

And also, he spent so long doing all this stuff for us. The other day I went round to see him and he couldn't even face daylight. He's been looking at screen for so long. Oh he just oh, yeah, it was like something out of the descent. Next up, we have you seen that film, you know what I mean. Um, next up we have well, as Seb would say retroid, we say retro ed. And at Retro Ed was uh very complimentary of his box and was very pleased to get it the other day, and he's wearing his flashback shirt with pride. Thank you very much, Ed. It's wonderful you support us, and thank you very much as awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

A hero. I tell you what, when a hero comes for you, his name is Carlos, he's the one man George fan club. Without him, I would have zero support. Um so he's like my wonder bra. He props me up and he makes me look good and makes me feel like I'm not a complete failure. Thank you, Carlos.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Yeah, awesome. Thank you, Carlos. Um, next we have From Trump to Trump in a week. If you want financial advice, who do you see? You see firm returns. Another one of our fantastic subscribers who now has his lovely flashback mug as well. So thank you as always.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

Someone who's probably gonna get absolutely zero bar court fees due to Bobby's shenanigans with the American legal system. It's the cornerhouse, New York.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:39

Thank you, Corner House. Um, next up we have the wonderful Dreamcast man himself for anything Dreamcast, it's Roe Space Monk. Thank you, Roe Space Monk.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

Walking in the door, happily married, like the absolute true bad or he is. His name's Badabinkster. Stand your better in there. Anker to ciao.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

Hey, honestly, him and his new wife on their wedding pictures look like Italian models. They look absolutely stunning in them pictures. So yeah, thank you, Badabinkster. Next up, we have the connoisseur of a RPG, bit of strategy, bit of RTS on the 3DS, on the handheld, the Nintendo man himself is Tingle Tuna. Thank you, Tingle Tuna.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:22

He's also turned into quite the profit on the Discord as well. I popped on today, I got a little bit giddy and clicked on the app and uh yeah, watch Tingle Tuna just telling people. And I I couldn't disagree with him. He's called it right, and he always calls it right. He does, yeah. Up next is a man I've ridden in more times than I've had hot dinners. In fact, do you know what? He's as comfy to me as a pair of slippers, and I love him for it. He's got that slightly whiffy smell that a pair of slippers has, but it's like I don't know, it's endearing to me. I kind of want to bury my head in the slipper and sniff it. I know it's not right, I know it's a bit wrong, but that smell is it's almost addictive. And he's a he's the human embodiment of that, as far as I'm concerned. Uh I can't get enough of him. He does so much for us on the internet, on the Discord, everywhere. He's one of the Discord sheriffs. His name is Digital Munkery, and you do well not to forget it. Thank you, sir. And by the way. Yeah. You look bloody amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:23

Wow. I don't know how your brain's wired sometimes to come up with these. Mine are terrible compared to yours.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:28

Do you do you find yourself sniffing an old sniff slipper?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:34

Oof, there was there only there's nearly a slip on the slipper then. Um yeah, all the time. Yeah. It's not just me then. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:42

I go full in. Full nostrils. There's something about it, isn't there? It's your own smell. It's repulsive, but you kind of want it. Yeah, you just want a full lung full.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

Yeah. Next up we have it should be at the X games with this. His special move. They should well, they're still thinking about putting it in skate four. The floss 360. It's Bald Border himself. Thank you, Bald Border.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:11

Awesome. I tell you what, here's a man emerging from the dark depths. Here's a man who looks like he really is a killer.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:25

There's a red dot on me. Careful, careful. He's he's here somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:29

He's a lover, not a fighter. It's Boba Loba going Bran as fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:38

Wow. Um next up we have your red-headed stepson. We have the wonderful ginge. Thank you very much, Ginge. Sorry I couldn't add more to that because I'm being put off a bit at the moment, but thank you, Ginge.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:52

Who we got next, George? Up next, the wonderful Harvey Retro. He is a man that is a living embodiment of the Little Woods catalogue. Every single time he says something, it's interesting. Every time he does something, it's interesting. Every time he puts key to key finger to keyboard, it's fascinating. Every time he sticks his face in a digital camera, it's captivating. It's almost like watching the birth of planet Earth itself. The man is a living hero. Harvey Retro, where would we be without you?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:23

Thank you, Harvey. I was asked the other day if there's such a thing as reincarnation, who'd who would you come back as or what? And I said I'd come back as Harvey Retro. Because he's so cool. He's a coolest guy on Instagram. Everything light and shows he does, podcasts. It's just so cool. He looks cool as well. It's amazing. Next up, we have someone who I think is going to be going on another world tour for the UCP. Because the other day I bumped into her in the travel agents. And that's not actually made up for the show. I did see her in the travel agents, didn't I, Emma? So thank you very much, Emma Sharp, and I hope you enjoy your world tour. UCP, baby. Sony's on a never ending.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:03

Wow. Sony's on a never-ending world tour. It's it's our man, Greg, because he has been everywhere on the planet. But I'll tell you one place he's never been. Allegedly.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:14

Allegedly. We this might be a bit of you know psychology here. Double play. Maybe he is.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:23

Maybe he isn't. I'm not intelligent enough to consider all the permutations of where he could or couldn't be. I'm just gonna say thank you. Nowhere near Berlin.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:33

Yeah, thank you, Greg. Next up, well, all we have to say is person that we should all thank. All thank for being here. That's mumsy. Thank you, Mumsy.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:42

As Bobby said last week, let the sun hit it. Um you've got to go back for that RGT. Oh, that's uh, that's that's messed me up a bit, that especially when the phrase let the sun hit it starts when we're talking about his father's his late father's willy warmer.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:02

Hmm. Yeah, that's again, that's through me a bit that. Who we got next, George? That's through you as well, eh? You said it.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

I lived it. I lived it. I think there was some confusion about a child and the burning ball of atoms in the sky. Um anyway. Up next, we've got to thank the ever broadening, ever widening, ever deepening, ever not actually paying their way. RGT fan club.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:38

Oh in hard economical times, they've found a way.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:44

There's a million members in that fan club. If they all paid a pound each, we could call it. A million? There's two. Million. Right, fine. Thanks, mum dad.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

Um next up we have the second hardest man in the dis in the Discord, in the subs list. I'd like to see him in the Discord, but it he's very silent. Very violent. It's Pete Brocklehurst.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:11

If you've thanked him, it's only my duty and honour that I must thank Billy Mall Maid.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:20

Wow. I don't know where that came from. So it leaves me then. I've got to give you a geef.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:26

Yeah, and I've got to guess what it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:28

Right, I am gonna go. Get the lips ready. Right, here we go. You ready? Look into my eyes. I want to see you trying to work it out. Already come close to the screen. Oh yeah, that's that's the money shot. Right, here we go. San san gee geeky.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:59

Oh, that's easy. What that's you realising that you would also have joined H Sorry for my teeth. That you would have also joined H. Driz in a funeral pyre on his 360 games. And that last whimper was the flames sort of lapping up round your testimonials.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:21

It was more that close, it was more that when I saw the three of them come on the screen, I had a treble geef.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:31

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